Clothes aren't biological though? Like, until babies start coming out the womb fully clothed, this makes absolutely no sense.

@babs_babs

2 ай бұрын

we’re all born naked. the rest is drag

@MxPotato84

2 ай бұрын

Not to mention, in Victorian times, boys from infants to about 5 wore pink dresses, while girls wore blue dresses.

@babs_babs

2 ай бұрын

@@paddy1144 no one said clothes don’t matter. gender expression matters. it’s really uncomfortable to be forced into an expression that goes against what’s natural for you

@sandwichqueen

2 ай бұрын

@@paddy1144 except... That's exactly what they're talking about. How boys "biologically wear pants" and girls "biologically wear dresses". They literally are ignoring the fact gender clothing is a social construct. We can see that it is because different cultures can dress differently. If it was biological then we wouldn't see as much diversity as we do. Same exact thing with gender. I also never said clothes don't matter. Don't know where you're pulling this strawman out of, but if you're just here to be a jerk, please leave.

@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit

2 ай бұрын

@@paddy1144 the issue is that people are being *forced* to wear certain clothes.

Pants aren't even "tomboy", 🤔, they're simply within what's commonly understood as standard girl clothes. Even to the point that they would mock a boy for wearing girl pants.

@SilverQuartz13

2 ай бұрын

Right!

@cambriaofthevastoceans6721

2 ай бұрын

Omg! The boys in those schools have the opportunity to do the funniest thing, and wear the most outrageously girly pants, and argue that since they are pants they qualify under the dress code

@PansyPops

2 ай бұрын

There are some extremely amazing women’s trousers/pants. They are a wardrobe staple, literally 99% of the women I see on a daily basis wear trousers/pants, not skirts/dresses. Jeans especially, they can be worn by literally anyone. It is nonsense and impossible to say “women can’t wear trousers/pants in schools”. When I go shopping in the women’s section at most chain retailers, I literally see more trousers than skirts.

@jonnaking3054

2 ай бұрын

yep , I'm trans, and have always identified as a girl, but I was somewhat tomboyish, loves climbing trees, catching bugs, etc but still was called a sissy lol

Walks in wearing 18th century, but "biologically accurate" clothes 😂

@l6318

2 ай бұрын

That would ACTUALLY be distracting! Malicious compliance! 😆

People with ideas like this shouldn’t be near kids to begin with.

In 2005 my cis older sister was initially told she would be barred from prom. The reason? She wanted to wear a tuxedo. The complaint was it would be too distracting. In the end she got to go in her Tux. Hilariously enough, she wasn't too happy when I was suddenly wearing a dress at her wedding, got forced into a suit - turned out that wasn't a good time to try to come out to my sisters. She connected those dots after I eventually did come out to the family.

as someone who hates my legs because I'm a heavier person, Not having pants would emotionally kill me because I need the pockets and I need the emotional security. I don't want the wind to lift a skirt or the skirt of a dress and for people to see my legs or worse yet, my undergarments! Also skirts that are restrictive to keep from the wind sweeping them up are SUPER MOTION RESTRICTIVE. So this scares me lots, like conservatives will wreck my friend's lives... AND THEN MY RIGHT TO WEAR CLOTHES THAT MAKE ME FEEL CONFIDENCE

@LunaBoo12

2 ай бұрын

I feel this so much. The idea of wearing a skirt with nothing under it but underwear is a hard pass from me. I have to have at least some little stretchy shorts on if I'm gonna wear a skirt. Or cute leggings!

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District is a 1969 SCOTUS decision that allowed high school students to wear black armbands in protest of the Vietnam war and to honor the dead. This was a First Amendment case. The SCOTUS decided (7-2 decision) that, "students and teachers do not give up their constitutional rights to free speech and expression when they enter the schoolhouse." So, aside from Title IX, there's, what looks to me, some more legal precedent here. Not sure if the ACLU will use this decision in their case, but I think about it a lot when schools try to do weird dress code stuff.

@l6318

2 ай бұрын

And no, I don't buy the "distracting the other students with your outfit" BS. Like, these people really think THIS is the most distracting part of being in school?? Gimme a break!

They probably made it like that so its easier for the, ahem ... "bathroom monitors".

@andrewkohler3707

2 ай бұрын

I saw "No pants for girls" in the thumbnail and thought that meant girls had to go around with only shoes, socks, and underwear for their lower half, and that seems like something the creeps who make these laws would like.

@LuxanderReal

2 ай бұрын

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they want women/girls wearing skirts because of the "ease of access" they provide

@MxPotato84

2 ай бұрын

Bathroom monitors to monitor what?? Genital checks?? Thats pedophilia.

@DefyTheDeception

2 ай бұрын

This is why I can’t believe the rhetoric about protecting women or children. It’s when they do stuff like this is when they show their true cards. Forcing afab girls to wear certain clothes that provide ‘ease of access’ just seems downright predatory, pedophilic, and sexist. It’s like they are turned off by trans women, so they want to keep women ‘pure’ to satisfy their creepy lack of sexual control and continue their dominance over women. They are literally trying to treat women and girls as objects. It’s disgusting and sick.

@LunaBoo12

2 ай бұрын

​@@andrewkohler3707 That's a reasonable assumption to make. It's right up their alley.

Also, wonder how forcing girls to wear dresses all the time will effect their ability to participate in sporting activities. I thought these people were all about fairness. Hows it fair to force them to compete in skirts and dresses?

this rule is sickening. my school's graduation only had rules for formality. other than that, you can wear whatever you want. i wore a suit and my robe and it looked great. can't imagine having to force myself to wear a dress (i don't hate them; i would rather not wear one for such an important event, though). side note: growing up, my best friend and i were both tomboys in elementary school. now that we are adults, i am transgender and she is sapphic. no one is "transing" the tomboys. tomboys exist and some of them end up being trans :P

I didn't attend my graduation back in 1989 because they wouldn't let me wear the graduation robes I wanted to. The boys got the traditional black robe and the girls got a poofy gold one. I wasn't about to attend a ceremony dressed like a girl. School was hell and I was burned out anyway, so I just stayed home that day.

@l6318

2 ай бұрын

Poofy gold?? I'm having trouble even imagining it! P.S. Love the username!

@TERFStomper

2 ай бұрын

@@l6318 - Thanks! It had pleats meant to accentuate certain curves. It looked more like a dress than a graduation robe.

@l6318

2 ай бұрын

@@TERFStomper Eeeek!

some of these administrators are just petty authoritarian psychos

@Caitlin_TheGreat

2 ай бұрын

Being petty authoritarian psychos is the whole basis of right-wing ideology. It's really only a variance of _how extreme_ they get.

I was expelled from high school for being transgender and in all I had to quit school in 9th grade

Just listening to this is making me extremely uncomfortable and maybe a little sick. I was able to wear pants under my graduation robe and no one said anything, in fact I am almost positive that all of the people who were assumed to be girls either wear pants or tights under their graduation robes. I like dresses and skirts sometimes, but would never be comfortable wearing them all of the time. I prefer to wear pants and shirts. Honestly this is insane and is harmful to everyone. I am extremely thankful that I never had to deal with this when my school switched to a dress code, because I would have been begging my parents to let me were the boys uniform, when I was younger I always saw myself as being gender nonconforming but never as a tomboy, I probably would have known that I am trans nonbinary a lot sooner. However this kind of harassment and trauma isn’t how I would have wanted to find out. Also I know that I definitely had classmates who were tomboys and or closed LGBTQ+.

I don't see anything specifying the time period for the supposed "Biological Dress Code," meaning it's time for all our trans sisters in that school district to do their best King Louis XIV cosplay and bust out the baroque fashion! Long hair, tights, heels, plenty of lace and ruffles and dress-like coats. Bonus points if they have French ancestry. They can claim traditional dress lol

So i guess scottish appreciation day is out of the question...

I was joking with my sister about some school somwhere trying this. I'm afraid I spoke it into existence

@LuxanderReal

2 ай бұрын

How dare u??? jk

Did it for the cat.

The ironic thing about JK's claims, when I was growing up, I did not fit the clinical criteria for gender identity disorder in children. A lot of cis gendered kids would have. Turns out "Identifies different from the gender assigned at birth" was not an important criteria for GID. You could be diagnosed without feeling that way, and feeling that way was given less importance than wants to play with toys for the other gender. Today it's reversed. I absolutely would have been diagnosed as gender dysphoric, and very few cis kids would be misdiagnosed.

Biological sex has dress codes? Like, seriously... clothes are clothes.

If it was my kids I tell them to just expel my kids I won’t conform!!

Urgh, this has that Oh No comic written all over it.

In high schools, their caps and gowns are based in the school colors. It’s normally colleges and universities that have black caps and gowns. So, high school gowns being white is common if its part of their school pride colors.

Isn't it standard practice for schools to punish the victims of bullying/beatings? To teach traditional values/violence, and to keep people from speaking out against traditional values/violence?

@LuxanderReal

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, not in the US

@PansyPops

Ай бұрын

Not in the UK either. I didn’t know what British Values were until I was in college and I can’t count on my two hands how much I was bullied. They didn’t do much, they did intervene eventually but it was too little too late.

Wow, as a trans girl, back in school I would LOVED to have been given the option to use the teachers restroom. I would sneak and use it because I HATED going on the boys restroom , but if they ever caught me they'd yell at me and be like , "YOU USE THE BOYS ROOM!!"

My highschool had(has?) a gender based dress code that was frequently enforced more for girls, I graduated in 2021.

My mother's generation fought for equal clothes i.e. pants. Still a long way to go. Everybody should be able to wear whatever they want to. Some work is easier for me in pants like gardening , carpentery or other dirty activities. Ware what you will. Have some fun with your clothing addictions. School harassment is not O K .

This doesnt surprise me one bit. My youngest, a HS Senior, is GNC and is graduating today. Two months ago, our school district sent a letter to parents explaining the dress code for graduation and it drew a hard gender line. Dress pants and a White Dress shirt for "boys" and either Black or White ankle length dresses for "girls". There is not enough money in the world to make my youngest wear a dress, and when they expressed that to the school, they were told "either follow the dress code or you dont walk" Ive always been a big advocate for my kids to stand up for themselves first, and step in only when I need to. Sorry to say, with even my attempted intervention, they would not compromise. So, to make my kid comfy and still comply with the dress code, they decided that they would wear a dress OVER a pair of dress pants instead. Now that I am looking at the forecast for tonights ceremony, my biggest fear is that they will now have issues because of the heat.

yeah I've always wondered what "biological clothing" means 😂 I must've been absent the day they learned in biology class , that part of our biology that determines what clothing we must wear 😆

This would have more of a chance if the gqp forced companies to pay a living wage where a household can survive on one salary. 🤔

That’s terrible and so backwards

In school I used to wear pants just because I felt more comfortable wearing them, women have been wearing them for at least a hundred years for practicality and comfort, it's not even got anything to do with gender expression my sister wore a suit to my cousin's wedding and we're both girly girls, gendered clothing doesn't exist it's just a social construct

Love the hair!

Oh yes the misogyny that always comes with transphobia what a fuckin surprise. Im a trans girl and Im a tomboy ok i still wear the same clothes i did before i transitioned. I never really cared about appeasing the male gaze ok and i made a few men angrily stair at me about a while ago coz i walked into a bar while i was in my skater outfit as a trans woman like wtf. Plus i always got dirt under my nails now dosen't sound so hyper feminine now does it.

So, there might not have been a scholarship involved, but this is the type of thing you work a few months on, from just picking out the piece, to working through difficult passages, and polishing it until it is as close to perfect as you can get. It was denying her Her community, and the ability to get the pay off of all their hard work.

This is dreadfull

what the f*

Just wait till the southerners hear about those Disney Jodie Foster movies... From like the 1970s.

Yet more thinly veiled attempts to codify and enforce christian rules, morals and belief systems onto the rest of us.

I hope the haters that come here to attack Lux read this. I hope they read this and flee babbling and bleeting in doubt and confusion. The only real way to reach them is for them to deeply know our reality. It is something they cannot deny and they will pause, especially cis women who are able to give the beneift of the doubt. I am deeply trying to connect with each of you. You hate me, but I do not hate you. There is middle ground and comprimise. There is a path to peace for each side everyone. Can you imagine being a fully transitioned trans girl and meeting with the most religious and conservative individual and one of our biggest detractors....and have an hours long discussion with them....deep and intense and engage with them intensely? To be vulnerable and open and loving and to not be afraid to engage and show them your genius? To help them, and to talk with them and with patience and love help them conquer their fear and all the while to uplift and respect and bring their Christianity to a place of grace that they yearn for deeply? If they were willing to engage me in conversation I could bring them to this place of emancipation. They must defer to my request for locale and aesthetics. To my Beth Midrash I would take them. My place of learning and contemplation. Far up into the mountains we climb. For hours and hours we ascend and I bring them to a flat outcropping of rock. Against the mountain is a carved fresco and cave entrance where I will give them soup and sleep and rest. A fire is kindled on the mountain as night ascends. We sit on the flat rock and we begin. The sharing of experience. Of our lives. Of our experience. For they do not know. They do not understand. If the fear is dispelled, and we are gentle and loving and honestly share our journey, they will pause. They will begin to the journey on the path. They think if they engage us their goodness, Christianity and hope will be engulfed by evil, but we will bolster and increase their faith and we will rouse them from deep slumber to rediscvoer what their faith originally was....we will help them know love again. They are afraid. Patience. Everyone. Patience. It is a teachable moment for all. Our experience can increase them and enrich them and bring them to another place, but it must be done with love, and a gentle hand, and my words and efforts at peace, and compromise and dialogue will only result in more intense hatred. Both sides must choose. Is everyone willing to see the beauty in the dissonance? Is each side willing to take the next step? I travel to the midwest to his home and break bread. i meet his family. He wears his best suit which is cheap and shabby. He farms the corn in Nebraska on the sliver of land he inherited when his father died. His wife prepares our meal and I help her. We sit at the table. The man offers grace and I resp;ect his beliefs and bow my head. We eat. The fare is simple and wholesome and comes from the work of their hands. They are afraid of me. They stare at me. I see their eyes move consantly.....straining....seeking....desparate to confirm what this person is. What is it? I dress modestly and respectully. My femininity and manner is unnerving. This isn't an act they realize. This isni't some deception. Is this possible. She is charming. She is educated and well read, and she is not dismissive of our home and faith. The family tries thtoughout dinner to find a reason for conflict and rejectoin and find none. The tension only deepens. Dinner is over. I help clear the table and assist his wife with thec clearing. Night falls and the children retire to bed. We talk, and we talk, and we talk into the night. I impart to these people my experiences in life. The moments of tenderness. The moments of fear, All the moments of my transition. I impart my journey and final standing in the world of women. The wife is won over far more early than the husband. The woman hears my words and experience and is shocked and stunned that something like me knows much of her experience and the feelings in her heart as she grew into a woman. The night ends and I say goodbye. The couple in Nebraska retire and reach their beds. The lights are off. Silence. She sp;eaks first. She is troubled. My husband, she says---she wasn't what I expected. I am troubled. There is more in the world and those that are different than we know. The husband agrees and it ends. They sleep and our engagement ends. It is enough. Our femininity and gentility wrapped always in respect and a willingness to find love in all instances is the path for both sides. They only need to see our lives and reality, and we must be willing to share this with them. Our transformations, our experience and we, in this time. We have the power. Our power, while most do not know, and our journey and courage terrifies them. Everyone, it is us that must extend our hands to them. I will be hated for saying this because of how deeply they have hurt each of us. But it is our destiny and duty. We are the oes that mus extned our hand to each of them. It is only fro them deeply coming to know us will they begin to understand. They want goodness, and they desire stability and peace. Their Christianity and faith is their expression of their desire and hope for a world of kindness and simple innocence. We are a grave threat to that.world they think. It is our responsibility through our actions and lives to live as an example. Yes, I know everyone: I pragmatic and a realist. Although many of us would stand ready in this endeavor,, very, very few from the other side would ever enage us or be able in an open minded way to communicate in this way. Ideology is powerful and is the greatest receptacle of blood in human history. But the onus is on us I am afraid. I will be hated for this position due to the pain and suffering they have caused us. I am not immune. But should we not try?

how can I refuse 🐱