RET IN S TIER?!?!?! THIS GUYS A MORON!!!! L STREAMER!!!! Live almost everyday twitch.tv/earpugs

@EliteCombatProductions

Ай бұрын

Great tier list, i honestly agree on everyone of them picks so your spot on there mate.

@Jimmy-oo5yl

Ай бұрын

Ret is required for any good 3x DPS comp. It’s the only burst heal on someone below 25%. Offers more utility than any other class. Has amazing survival every 45s with sacred shield. … yeah, it’s F Tier. What was this streamer thinking? Now individually 1v1 this doesn’t really apply. Any good mage with kite you till you die. Hunter keeps his pet off you and kite, you die… its also pretty hard to solo a healer

@EliteCombatProductions

Ай бұрын

@@Jimmy-oo5yl I think you we will be seing a few different comps, i have heard that Ret Ele sham and restro sham/holy pala is going to be very viable and seen it played myself on the cata private servers. Its lowkey o.p

@Jimmy-oo5yl

Ай бұрын

@@EliteCombatProductionsnever even thought of 2x healer comp being viable. Thats interesting. Sticking to ret myself. Looking forward to the burst.

@pawcio366

Ай бұрын

Good job on a tier list. Its a hard job to predict fully cause people remember end of cata comps or s9 comps with s9 talents. Here are my thoughts, as both s9 and S10 ret gladiator as ret-dk-rdruid at glad range (2600-3000 enemies): *Frost mage was very dominant spec, mainly in RMP, fire whas nowhere to be seen *feral-hunter-rshammy were very popular and good *some RLS, rest melee cleaves For me Ret had best synergy with DK, with strategy 80% time training healer. Ret counter Dk weak spots, mainly survival. With BOP, SaC and word of glory pala will keep his Unholy DK safe. I also find Druid as best healer for this comp cause is not about healing. Healer focuses mainly on CCing more distruptive DPS, like lock or rogue (distruptive in a sense that can peel dpsers from his healer easier). Played a bit with ARMS and he needed all my freedoms, DK does not care. He puts dots and double pet on enemy and deathcoil from range, big chunk od dmg stays on healer if DK is stunned or slowed. If enemy focus ret, DK left alone can train healer with all interrupts and necrotic that ret need to connect later for 3secs to finish him. Comp is an absolute Hammer for Rshammies - they are trained hard and easy, with priest being most durable healer as enemy for this comp.

In Earpugs we trust! Congrats on R1 dude. Your content and progression over the years has truly been A++.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate that!

I wish you upload more often. Grateful for your dedication and knowledge about the game. Thank you Earpugs!

2v2 tier list next!!! ❤

@sethfarnsworth8276

Ай бұрын

Yes please.

@supbro5683

Ай бұрын

You'll be surprised by the results!!!!!!!!

Awesome video as always! Little addition to feral: they can break roots with dash / stamp roar due to the talent feral swiftness;) both 2 min cd if i'm not mistaken

Thank you for making such a thoughtful list! Please upload more often!

Of all the Arena Tier Lists out there, this one is the most descriptive, well spoken and thought out list that explains exactly why it is what it is. Thank You.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Thank you!!

Thank you bro I was hoping you would make one

Awesome breakdown!

He did it, the madman did it

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

lmao

I played holy priest during original cata and the main issue I remember facing was that it was out of mana way faster than disc. It has been a really long time, but I think there is a trinket on dragon soul that solves this issue.

Imho you are very authentic and professional. Thank you and keep it up!

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

solid video bro!

Great list, thank you

@earpugs just curious of what you thought of a ele sham bringing the legendary staff into arena or is not bringing a shield suicide ?

Best tier list by far, presented by an absolute proffesional as always. Thanks earpugs

Forgot one thing about Ret. The rework of sacred shield. Sacred proc + WOG for a self heal is crazy. Ret doesn’t have to hide when bubble is on CD anymore. Now you just monitor your sacred shield CD.

Starting off season 9 with Frost MLS. Just cant give up the better peels and cold snap by switching fire

Love your videos man! I'm glad you're playing Cata pvp

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Appreciate you!

Great upload king 🇫🇮

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

kiitos!!!

Will you be making a comp tier list later on? Nice list btw!

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

I will not

whats ur opinion on ret/enh s2 do u have any exp playing against them ?

Never thought i'd see someone doing an arena tier list while wearing triumph motorcycle shirt lol. They make great bikes.

thanks pugs!

Nice video man!

any chance could add your thoughts on best rated bg comps somewhere?

always having trouble picking my class. if i play mage... which classes will i struggle with most? marks hunter?

Yo! Thank! Can you do 2v2 comp tier list?

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

feral/disc, hunter/rogue, hunter/ret are S tier to me. Then warr/hpal, fmage/disc, rogue/disc, affli/rshaman, feral/rshaman come close.

hi Earpugs, will you kindly make a combo tier list for both 2V2 and 3V3? no hurry, step by step, thanks for your efforts and dedications.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Would take a lot of effort and I don't have enough knowledge to confidently make it since there is no active ladder for 3v3 on cata atm. sorry! I also don't like cata 2s so I won't do 2s.

@XiangLiu-xq6rp

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs thanks!

Thank you Lord Mandark. Qued into you a lot on live ladder & beta lol

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Earpugsqt on beta is clemons not me I don't have access to the beta

@Magetastic69

Ай бұрын

@Earpugs ooo I see, assumed it was you playing dpr

THE TIME IS NOW

I dont remember if it was season 9 or 10 but i got 1850 in og cata as a fury warrior and i want to see if i can do it again because i love the fantasy of a warrior running two handed dualwield weapons (Edit: i cant spell lol)

What healer will be better for 2v2's you think?

Which 2s comp do you think will be stronger for S9, Disc/Feral or Disc/Sub? I'm assuminng sub pulls ahead regardless after S9, just curious about that first season of 2s

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Not sure both comps own though

I think that blizzard releasing cata on a later patch will make a difference for some classes a bit more than we may think.

@xPlottzx

Ай бұрын

Yep, for example 60% crit chance on hammer of wrath for ret pala in talents got changed to 6% or so.

Now we just need “Cataclysm s9 Arena 2v2/3v3 Tier List” ❤️ keep up the great work.

Thanks again for another list @Earpugs Question - if this was based on 'easiest' to perform well with, would this list change?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Kinda a loaded question, arena is so in depth and there are so many layers that it's hard to say that. At a low level melees are way easier than casters because you don't need to fake etc.

@itsbklol

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs thanks! meant like 1-2k+, not gladiator or r1 haha.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@itsbklol Then any melee!

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@itsbklol you should always play what you think is fun though

hey man i was wondering if you were going to do a 3v3 and 2v2 tier list like you did for wotlk it was very helpful

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Would take a lot of effort and I don't have enough knowledge to confidently make it since there is no active ladder for 3v3 on cata atm. sorry!

@_dazuu

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs no problem. This video is very helpful i was actually just looking yesterday if you put something out on cata. I

@earpugs for melee dps unholy dk for example how important are pve items like weapons and trinkets for example ? Or is it more important to get the resilience from pvp trinkets and weapons ?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

In S9 you are using PvP gear for just about every slot on every class to my knowledge, later in the expansion PvE gear becomes more relevant

are you gonna do a tier list on later seasons?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

I may, I may not we will see

Most realistic tierlist so far!

How are Ench and ele shamans in bgs? Great video btw

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I have 0 clue about the RBG meta unfortunately.

Hy . thanks for this video. Can you doing 2V2 comp. In don't know what can i play with a firend who play Mage

I can see Holy Priest being a good partner to classes who really need to stick to their target and might otherwise be kite-able. Ret maybe? Enhance? Both of those can make up for the lack of healing/defensive CDs with their own kits. Seems like a good add to all-in melee comps, given their dispels and respectable damage for a healer. Chastise is a real nice boon for melee comps. Spirit of Redemption is a nice disincentive against getting tunneled. One of Holy Priests biggest drawbacks was that it had no real counterplay against strong burst, but that's much less common in Cata. Certainly an off-meta choice, and maybe even more aggressive than Disc, but I think it could work quite well in the right hands ;)

@xPlottzx

Ай бұрын

Holy priest get serenity burst insta heal in cata.

ITS HERE, FIANLLY

I might just play Feral in PVP instead of Enhance. I have an 80 Sham and Druid. I was gonna do Arms, but eh maybe not.

Holy priest does not have the convenient tools disc has which makes holy to be outclassed. Boomkins don't need to cast almost nothing other than cyclone as you get enhaced stacking initial dmg of moonfire, instant star surges prof + star fire procs. In regards to DK do not forget the 30% cast time debuff on necrotic strike which makes you take less dmg from focused caster (defensive) and easier kill time of a focused healer (offensive).

I am looking forward to this Sincerely, longtime feral-main with rsham alt

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

Ferals are S tier in season 9 then they fall down a bit. Resto shamans are the best healers in cata throughout the whole expansion.

@BamsenSlagbjorn

Ай бұрын

@@andrecardoso6941 How much would you say they fall in ruthless and cataclysmic seasons?

@hamm8934

Ай бұрын

@@BamsenSlagbjornsince powershifting doesnt break roots in cata, wizard cleaves just focus them and force them to fall behind in bear. Its really hard to push higher rating with them once casters get haste. Theyll do great at lower ratings though

@BamsenSlagbjorn

Ай бұрын

@@hamm8934 I see, thanks. I'm a consistent 2k-2,2k player. I suppose it will work fairly fine there

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@BamsenSlagbjorn Feral is R1 capable every season class is disgusting

So, the take home message is, run a comp with 2-3 kicks that are 10s cd each and just bully the healer to gladiator.

How viable do you think ferals and mm hunters are past season 9?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

R1 viable every season easily, super strong

The MS nerf + Unrelenting Assault removal from Arms is pretty fair tbh because they obviously anticipated that people would just run TSG (Unh/awar/healer) and with the beautiful Necrotic Strike ability being introduced to DKs in this xpac, that would've just been op if they could have 75% reduced healing TAKEN on TOP OF just having all the healing in the world just succ'd dry and absorbed. Healers would be useless in arena lol. I say this as an Unholy main too who has a best friend that mains warrior, as lovely as that sight could be with me and him, that would just be too broken and basically an unrewarded feeling of free glad more so than MLS.

Rdruid: gets magic dispel What did it cost? Thanos: *Everything...*

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Our poor broccolis

2v2 TIER LIST WHEN? :D

btw nice t-shirt you wearing :)

Earpugs makes the best tier list videos! I'll tell you a fun Tripple Dps cheese comp I used to run was... Frost Mage/ Ret Pally/ Arms Warrior The Mage just has to prioritize CC on as many targets as they can (Polly, Ring of Frost, Deep Freeze, CS) and the Warrior & Ret just blows someone up lol the Ret Pally off healing is no joke plus no one is taking that much damage because they're CC'd.

@az9498

Ай бұрын

The Mage can Cold Snap to Double Ring of Frost + Double Deep Freeze. + you have the Pally stun and Warrior Fear. Plus all the Damage can catch people off guard.

@juanestebanarroyave25

Ай бұрын

Is more good Ret/Frost/Rogue or hunt. Because he can start invi and have alto CC. Warrior un cata is so trash

@az9498

Ай бұрын

With a Rogue in stealth the enemy team might open on your Mage making it not a guarantee that the Mage will be able to get their cc off clean. Idk a Warrior being fed Freedoms by a Pally is pretty strong. I think a lot of people will be surprised by Warriors in Cata.

@az9498

Ай бұрын

I know Fury is kind of a meme in pvp but Cata was the only expansion I can remember where some Warriors actually played it in pvp. I think Fury Warriors might have the highest burst potential in Cata. Idk about season 9 though. I don't know what season my memory is pulling from... But I remember I went SM Fury with Fist Weapons as a meme after I got my other gear and was beating Titans Grip Warriors lol. They just need to build up their Rage bar then release it and someone dies. But Arms for serious play.

@juanestebanarroyave25

Ай бұрын

@@az9498 i was 2400 3 times in cata and get gear elite S9, S10, S11 Whit 3 dps comp. Ret/Frost/Rogue BEST comp they start invi and made a lot damage and CC. Rogue, Frost and hunt have a spell can reset his offensive CDs. Is like 2 burst in 1 min. Ret/Rogue/hunt is almost same. This comp is more good for CC single target. Mage is multi targets like dks, warlocls pets etc Ret/Rogue/Dk is the more hard comp to play. Dk eat healers but his movility is trash. If the other healers run and escape you have 80% of lose.

Pogs in the chat, Earplugs uploaded

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Earplugs

Yooo Earpugs! Can u make a RBG tierlist like this? :)

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

I don't rbg sorry

@TheBrunozxc

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs Thnx anyway :)

@TheBrunozxc

Ай бұрын

Also...a 3v3 comp tier list would be neat btw

Arcane is actually great. Polymorph stun into imp cs any healer is dead without bubble. Rogue arcane, which a bunch got glad with in wotlk, is even stronger in cata with their new tools. Its super slept on cause the other 2 specs are so obviously good.

@aic20

Ай бұрын

I remember playing disc boomy arcane and it went crazy. Especially when the priest gave the arcane PI. I do think arcanes burst is slept on the problem is you don’t get cold snap or deep freeze which are game changers too

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

the problem is you surviving as arcane lol and you got more CC, dmg, survability and mobility as fire. Why would you even go arcane?

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

@@aic20 that's not even the issue. Fire doesn't get Cold Snap or DF either but they got other tools. They get dragon's breath on a 20 seconds cooldown, they got a shitton of mobility, slows and more survability and burst than arcane.

@Magetastic69

Ай бұрын

@andrecardoso6941 arcane has a stronger spammable slow, more single target damage, and a knock back on a 12sec cd along with poly stun and instant invisible to batch incoming spell, sprint with blink, impact, blazing speed, and 2min evo. There's more defensive than you think. 2600xp

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Prove them wrong!

Anyone know if servers matter in Cata PvP, do I need to boost someone on a specific server for BGs and Arenas? Ty!

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

If you are trying to PvP like arena then you should be alliance because the arena ladder is 90% alliance. Benediction for alliance and faerlina for horde

I like how much pugs praises ret but forgot to mention they STILL get sacred shield (holy doesn’t)

Do you think Ret paladins are A tier in the last patches? And about warrios in 4.3, it is possible to reach 2400 in arenas?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

warriors and ret paladins are rank 1 capable every single season

@Draakooooo11

Ай бұрын

Warrior with a pocket heal IS the most dangerous melee and Will always be.

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

@@Draakooooo11 not rly. There was many times they weren't the most dangerous melee. Specially in retail :D

@Draakooooo11

Ай бұрын

@@andrecardoso6941 Warriors with healers behind are the most dangerous class in bgs

@wallahhabdi399

Ай бұрын

it's possible to get r1 as hpal/arms s9

s10 tier list? Ik hunter and rogue r super fun in cataclysmic season

@earpugs so do you think it would be better to play ret lock shaman or warrior lock shaman for a small brain PvPer this expac

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Whichever you enjoy the playstyle of the most

@simpleslug6196

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs I appreciate you taking the time, problem is I like both classes but cant decide on which so I want the one that would be best to climb with in that comp.

I LOVE TRAINING RETS

Rolled holy paladin fire mage back in the day and got easy 2400 rating. It was so fun.

@jdstko1

Ай бұрын

Is fire mage and holy pally pretty easy to play ?

@warfighterzas

Ай бұрын

@@jdstko1 oh dude I’m not a good player by any means. It revolves around landing a polymorph onto a pally stun on heal or dps whoever u decide. And your combustion burst. And if u fail the first time it’s okay cuz fire mage has insane sustain dps and hpal having seemingly infinite mana and op healing. It’s just a really fun comp for sure

@warfighterzas

Ай бұрын

@@jdstko1 the only real counter I ever faced was priest mana burn.

While disc is definetely the better off the two specs compared to Holy, Holy has a much easier time CC'ing opponents with the 60% movement speed buff into fear or Chastice (3 second incap) into fear into mind control.

where in S tier would you rank affliction in its peak season?

@andrecardoso6941

Ай бұрын

Affli is top tier on the last season. MLS will melt everything with dragon soul gear.

warlocks can fel dom double CS currently on pre patch? Because currently mages cannot "Fel dom" their frost ele for a double freeze and im wondering if thats a bug or what.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

it gives you a new pet so yes, it works the same as wrath in that regard.

@baade6010

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs ok cuz mage pets worked that way but now they do not. idk if bug or not... may have to make bug report? i cant test with warlock since i dont have one.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@baade6010 Sounds like a bug should definitely report it

@baade6010

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs jammin said its not a bug - "was hotfixed during s11 for both mages and warlocks"

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@baade6010 booooo!!!! that's unfort

This is an S tier tier list :D

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

im surprised to see resto druid so low. I remember it being OP back in 2011, i was unkillable in battlegrounds and made it to top rankings in arena. What gives? when did they nerf druids so we couldnt shift outof roots?

@Earpugs how is MM hunter throughout cata pvp seasons?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Super good whole xpac

@pamiok17

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs thanks dude. we're trying to figure out if we should come back for cata (MM/Disc/Unholy). just wish legendaries weren't in arena we just pvp

How bad is the feral drop off once casters and rogues get their legendaries etc.?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Still insanely strong, just that casters become super strong.

Resto druid, i cry everytime

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Pour one out for our broccoli friends!

32:02 wrong - this doesn’t work in Cata Classic.

Assassin rogue is actually kind of wild bro at least c tier

what do rshammy pair well with?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Casters but honestly anything in cata

Unholy DK / Feral Druid is too broken in Cata. Necrotic strike was probably one of the most broken abilities ever in the game.

Imagine puting Holy priest above resto druid 😅

How hard does RET fall off in later seasons?

@aic20

Ай бұрын

It’s a slow decline but they always stay stier or top of a tier because of just how viable they are for support reasons. Word of glory and party cds are so good

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Not bad at all class is insane the whole xpac

I'd honestly put prot warrior in b tier, but that's just me. Definitely above fury.

Coil for Spriest? what do you mean with coil?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Psychic Horror is a horrify effect so people call it coil because coil is way easier to say in arena than psychic horror

@Loopdog95

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs i main priest but never heard it been called coil, just horror. but it makes sense :)

is ele/destro playable?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

I actually don't know in 2s. I can't imagine it would be superbly strong since both destro and ele took nerfs going into cata.

Many people forget that Ret was horribly dogshit before the rework around the mid point of Cata. Then they became God lvl. And would be even more busted today had Blizzard not nerfed HoW crit from... like 60% to 6% in the talents. Still, all Ret really needed in the end was a healing nerf, and by that I mean healing on others due to SH talent which made it op.

mark my words thug + ret triple dps comp will be r1 on ladder s9

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Comp is insane for sure

*click on video* *either scroll to my class or to the end of the video* *see where they are ranked* *close video*

YOOO LFG! 👃🏻

my problem will be putting people on ignore after i play another expansion of boomkin affliction warlock healer in 3s god i have gotten some deranged people abuse me LOL

crti flash heal heals for loike 20k so yeah healers strong

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Crit flash heals hit for 40k in S9

Resto Druid is S tier in Tol Barad though lol.

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Resto druid is S tier in my heart

RBG/BG tier?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

I don’t like rbg’s sorry

Frost is better, Fire is easier, which will make people go for Fire more often. But they are insanely close in strength.

You didn't make hunter it's own category of brokenness 0/10

Fake news, I hit 2300 in 3s at age 12 in cata season 9 running shadow priest enhance resto Druid , we never played a single mirror match, it was great

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Ya rdruid got giga nerfed by the time the last patch hits, rejuvs healing got cut in half. Went from ticking for like 6k+ to 2.3 sadge

@SugarLandFishingBros

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs ahh are you saying rdruid won’t be nearly as strong in classic s9 as it was original season 9?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

@@SugarLandFishingBros That's correct they received many nerfs leading up to 4.3.4

Enhanced sham is A tier at least Talented ghost wolf can't be kited

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Frost nova would like to know your location

Balance Druids become Gods late cata

Blood DK not viable? lol 😜, ok the damage is lower than Unholy and Frost but still higher than other tank specs and they are pretty much unkillable! If played correctly they can neutralize almost 90% of all damage received for quite a while! And the selfhealing and healthpool are really high!

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Prove them wrong Manyuken!!! R1 blood DK incoming!

@Manyuken

Ай бұрын

@@Earpugs well I managed to kill a Frost Mage, Retri and Boomkin in the STV Arena just now in the pre-patch and only pvp gear I had on was the 277 2h sword ;)

where is pala tank ?

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Below the list

Elemental Shaman Gang

@Earpugs

Ай бұрын

Big bolts

no good rogue is every losing to a feral even if he gets opened on