'Worst mechanism of the year' Let's wait and give Heljan a chance lol

@StPetersLayout

3 жыл бұрын

Bachmanns 9F is 14 years old bruh

@blisseyran-dom6822

3 жыл бұрын

@@StPetersLayout I have Lima models which run better than that

@davidknowles2491

3 жыл бұрын

@@blisseyran-dom6822 Heck my Airfix Prairie runs better than that.

@StPetersLayout

3 жыл бұрын

@@blisseyran-dom6822 still 14 years old do the title “worst mechanism of the year” can’t be used

@blisseyran-dom6822

3 жыл бұрын

@@StPetersLayout It just means that he's seen this year

92000 was the very 1st 9f, built on 31st January 1954. She was withdrawn on 2nd February 1965 having been allocated to Ebbw Junction, Bath Green Park, Banbury, Old Oak Common, Tyseley, Bristol Barrow Road and finally to Gloucester Horton Road. Here she has a Bristol Barrow Road Shed Code. 92000 only worked for 11 years, 5 months and 1 day and was cut up at Birds (Long Marston) during November 1965.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

That's very cool Luke - I didn't realise this was the first! Thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@Thomasthestreamliner

3 жыл бұрын

Have any 9fs have been preserved or anything

@steamier7755

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thomasthestreamliner yes, there are some 9Fs preserved, the most famous being Evening Star which is now in the National Railway museum collection.

@Thomasthestreamliner

3 жыл бұрын

What are their numbers

@Thomasthestreamliner

3 жыл бұрын

Could be

Strange, my Bachmann 9F is the best loco I’ve ever owned... quietest loco and I’d rate it higher than my bachmann city of Truro...

@dwaynejohnson4892

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because you obviously have no standards. The bachmann city class is also junk. Just confirms you obviously have. Ever had a good locomotive.

@ToastTheThe

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwaynejohnson4892 who tf angered you? You went all out on Will for like literally no reason

@Blue_Hound_2144

2 жыл бұрын

My Bachman 9F does really well. it’s as good as my hornby collectors edition tornado, limited edition A4, hornby West Country class (Barnstable CUSTOMISED), I just think sams trains got a faulty model, and the fact he uses a carpet is not going to help at all

@ScaniaVabis580

2 жыл бұрын

I'm now on my ninth bachmann 9f, not a single issue. They all run fantastic regardless of load or curves.

@overpoweredsteamproduction513

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwaynejohnson4892 said the person who collects spiders for a hobby

Hey Sam. Just wanted to say thank you for reviving a childhood dream, I've had a couple of trains and you've inspired me to go for it and build a layout. So thanks and stay awesome.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

That's my pleasure David, so glad to hear that - have fun!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@Deuce_and_a_half

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck David. This is an amazing hobby!

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deuce_and_a_half Well, David, I hope you were paying attention. I don't buy anything anymore until Sam has a go at it.

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

And thank you, Sam, for sparing me an adult nightmare. I cannot afford anymore rubbish.

I think you might have had a bad one, cause i got 2 Bachmann 9Fs, a black one and the Evening Star and neither of them stutter or struggle, they both run smoothly.

They must have upgraded the 9F for the NRM version. The torque is great, wheels spin when stopping it with my finger etc....it's actually one of my best runners. Slow accelleration is fantastic on DCC. i'm very happy with mine.

I'm a little late to the party, but that gap between the tender and locomotive is so large you could fit an L&Y Pug in it.

@fangpleaser946

3 жыл бұрын

The coupling between Loco and Tander has two holes so you can couple them closer together.

So strange, it must be faulty. My Bachman 9f is the most powerful of all my trains and pulls a rake of 5 coaches up my steep incline without breaking a sweat, where my other locos will struggle. The only complaint I had was the tender. It’s a shame but I just think you got a bad one.

@calebkendall5418

2 жыл бұрын

That’s impressive

@Blue_Hound_2144

2 жыл бұрын

My 9F is the same, so good, almost as good as all my hornby collectors edition and limited edition locos

Hi, Sam! You mention the "blind" or flangeless centre driving wheels. This was indeed a real feature, I have a 1970's Evening Star and once had the old Airfix kit. The "blind" was to enable such a large locomotive to go round very tight curves and Network Rail now insists that all wheels have flanges, so none on main line runs any more!

I have one of the Bachmann 9F for over 10 years and mine is one of my favourites to run and not had any problems *touch wood*

@stephensmith799

3 жыл бұрын

I like my two as well.

@48firefox

3 жыл бұрын

yes quite agree with you, I have got both the Hornby and Bachmann ones, the Hornby one has been the worst one , bad running and even had a new motor, the Bachmann one runs a lot better and to date dont think it has even had a wheel clean

@brooklynroad8581

3 жыл бұрын

same here no propblema . mines got sound and fire box flicker

Owned 5 of these, must say, knocks the b....X of the old Hornby model, lovely model and stunning detail, including brakes..! And runs like a dream.!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing - very glad to hear that! I think I'll be holding out for the new Hornby one personally ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@robstrains8711

3 жыл бұрын

You are totally correct this review is so wrong the Bachmann 9f locos are great and to put a review out like this for one loco of a run of thousands just isnt right.

@stuartsmith9199

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree this review is wrong !! So wrong😡😡😡😡😡😡

@SteamingThroughYorkshire

3 жыл бұрын

@@robstrains8711 agreed

@aureol40012

3 жыл бұрын

@@robstrains8711 I know, what’s he on? Have you heard him bleating on and on and on about things which don’t effect the running of the bloody loco! He’s got an issue with Bachmann, clearly. Pathetic.

Yay after all these years finally a Bachmann 9F! :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha yeah - about time! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Looks like we got another loco to pick on during the live streams. Looks like it's going to pull the egg vans and railgun!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha that's true actually - I hadn't thought of that! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Hey, let me know where to send my egg van. I'll even pay the international post! Thank you for a good laugh, after seeing this video I needed a good chuckle. My mood has been considerably dark since seeing the T9 video. May Hornby burn for that horse apple.

@mikeking2539

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing about the egg vans.... But it is a duff example and really ought to be sent back, my 9Fs are much older and run without issues even on 2nd radius track with the tender close coupled!

I've got two Bachmann 9f's. They run beautifully, look superb, and I am very happy with them.

@mobius8002

3 жыл бұрын

Here here .same here .

I'm confused my bachmann 9f is the best runner in my collection

@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj

3 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Cafarelli well then he shouldn't make such a profound statement to such a large audience

@davidknowles2491

3 жыл бұрын

@@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj He reviews the model he has taken delivery of. It's not his fault he has a rogue, it's Bachmanns quality control department that's to blame for letting it slip the net.

@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidknowles2491 considering how long said model has been in production it could be the fact it's probably been sitting in a box for years on a shelf or in a store room, and for the poor quality control sam seems to love hornby and yet i've never had a perfect hornby model so no company is perfect

@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj

3 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Cafarelli i've had a lot of experience with poorly designed models (heljan, dapol, hattons, hornby etc.) But from experience bachmann seem to be pretty good on the mechanism front at least back when this model was first released

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. That said - the mechanism is objectively poor, therefore my 'profound statement' is justified. Hornby make garbage too - don't get me wrong - look at my A2/2 and you'll see a prime modern example. Can't agree that Bachmann models from this era were quite good on the mechanism front though - this, the Hall and the 2-8-0 are some of the worst I've seen! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Always interesting seeing older standards in the hobby. Would love to see how similar era models stack up against each others ones released at the same sort of time.

I have 5 Bachmann 9fs and I am very impressed with the performance of these. I also have the Hornby Corsti 9f. I have been running both for over 2 years and I cant fault any of them. The performance of the Bachmann 9fs is far better than a lot of the hornby Locos I own

@aurch09

3 жыл бұрын

My experience exactly!

Now that’s a name for a video XD I’m looking forward to this

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha hope you enjoy it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

An interesting review Sam, When these 9F came out many years ago I took one apart because it had a drive problem which was to do with the cover plate for the gear tower being not tighened down which held the motor in place during manufacturer. At the time the Bachmann 9F was a new tooling and the drive mech was a good design withj the gear tower just in front of the cab if memory server right. When you took off the body the chassis is a major step backwards from the first design which had plenty of space in the boiler. the chassis was heavy also. but looking at the model your reviewed Bachmann are cutting corners and it looks very cheap with noticable lack of quality control. Great review Sam. Keep it up. and congrats on your first KZread button.

Thanks for the review I've long wanted a 9F and I'm glad I watched your video before buying one of those.

I've got the Evening Star version of this and it runs really well, although it does slow a little on Rad 2 curves.

I think you’ve got a duff loco there Sam. I have a Locomotion Models / Bachmann ‘Evening Star’ loco and I’ve had trouble free running for several years right out of the box. I fitted a Hornby TTS decoder with an upgraded speaker both located in the loco and very pleased with the results. I used to have the Hornby Railroad 9f and the Bachmann is so much better. Try before you buy but I honestly think you’ve bought a duffer. Return for a replacement.

today (24th of april) was my birthday and i loved to see this video it was like a birthday present great video man !!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday!! Hope you had an amazing day!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Congrats on 100K mate!

Brings back the good memories from last year’s visit to the nymr

@ianmulcrone3090

3 жыл бұрын

Great railway, im a shareholder!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh fantastic - hope it was a good time! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@Daniellllllllllllllllllll

3 жыл бұрын

It is a lovely railway

@Daniellllllllllllllllllll

3 жыл бұрын

Sam if you can get there this summer. Nothing beats going to Whitby on a steam train and having lovely fish and chips. Get nice pictures of trains in the station 🚉

Sam says: "Bachmann 9F has the Worst Mechanism" Meanwhile at the legion of Heljan "We would like to remind you of our existence."

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha don't worry - I've filmed a review for another Heljan lemon, so there's that to look forward to! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains STOP, you're killing me!

@williambabcoke248

3 жыл бұрын

Gotten a night owl?

@bushmonsterwilhelm6716

3 жыл бұрын

At least it didn't stall like this 9F

@tempertantrum6464

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains **rubs hands in anticipation**

Congrats on 100,000 subscribers! 🎉🎊🏆

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Michael!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky for Botchedmann that the remaining 87,000 subscribers haven't tuned in yet. If some damn fool buys one of these, he will be sure to pay attention next time. And I would be that damn fool.

Bought both my 9F's 92006 & 92116 from Hattons for £86.00p each 2008 & 2010, both are good runners and I have never had a problem with them, suggest with the boiler join, flash on pipework and ill fitting cab is down to worn tooling in China as I have had my two under the magnifying glass and no faults there. Good luck in getting yours running properly.

From everything I've heard about Bachmann 9Fs, I believe this is probably not a representative example. While both 9F models on the market at the moment are dated, I don't recall the performance of either being widely criticised.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

You could be right - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. That being said... that mechanism is terrible no matter how you look at it... and that is representative! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Even though it's an expensive loco, I wonder what El Cheapo would think of it.

the jitteriness of this loco paired with the derailing egg vans would be a spectacle

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha! Don't give people ideas! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains And I thought it was just my egg van. I swear I added almost half a kilo of lead to it, changed the couplers, and the wheels, to boot. I won't buy anything until Sam has taken it up Gordon's Hill.

@TheSaint491

3 жыл бұрын

William will remember that...

I've got one of Bachmann's 9Fs fitted with a Zimo sound decoder and smoke unit. It runs very smoothly and pulls 50 odd of my wagons without problem even over complicated point work. I think you have a rouge there, but as I've never run it on DC or 2nd radius curves I can't comment on that. Always enjoy your reviews.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - might be worth fitting mine with a decoder... I'd be surprised to see mine run properly on 2nd radius though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@novakingood3788

Жыл бұрын

Or possibly a rogue...😉

Could we see this in one of your experiments as the test subject because it deserves It big time

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

It sure does deserve it, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam, I have two of these, Eveinng Star and 92116. Both run beautifully with 30 filled coal wagons or 7 coaches running at speed; they will pull way more than my 3 Hornby 8Fs and are second only to my Beyer-Garratt in terms of pulling power. I think you have a bit of a dud one with problems. I agree some bearings would have been nice but overall I can only recommend these Bachmann 9Fs.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. Given how shoddy the mechanism is, I can't say I'm surprised though!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Of random fact: the Pennsylvania Railroad in the US had a 2-10-0, very similar to the 9F, except it was significantly larger. The Pennsy I1 class weighed in at 295 short tons, with a tractive effort of 93,000 lbf. It was the dominate freight locomotive for decades with 593 made for the railroad. They were called Hippos for their enormous boiler, and often referred to as: "The Holy Terror of the Pennsylvania Railroad" because of their thunderous exhaust, enormous size and screeching banshee whistles.

This was a great video Sam! Sorry that Bachmann didn't put as much quality into the model as they could have. Have a nice day.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm sorry about that too - real unfortunate!! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains I'm beginning to wonder, can they? I got a Duke Dog waiting to have a few hours to have a chance to break it in. Hope to Crimminies I didn't throw a week's wages down the Crapper.

I've got 4 of these all different ages. They all have run many, many hours, run perfectly and pull very strongly. I think something must be wrong with that one. This gripe about wheel bearings is a bit of a red herring. If it works and lasts, (which it does), who cares?

Bachmann 9F: Worst Mechanism Of The Year. Martinmartmartinson Dapol Mogul: Hold my non-existent buffer.

@azuma7628

3 жыл бұрын

I know I am bad with this kind of jokes should leave this to you guys really...

@lukeslocomotives

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha yep - barring Mr Martinson's mechanism of course... I mean... cough... that was amazing though?!? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@OlivierGabin

3 жыл бұрын

Hem, I've missed something, what did he find wrong with his Mogul, this one ? (martinmartinmartinmartin of course)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

Sam, I believe you mistook this paper weight for an operational locomotive. Bear up there, man.

Two things that I think are splendid about you. One:Your reviews are perfect which is great. Two:You answer to every comment. You seen really nice

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!! Struggling to make that every comment these days - but doing my best!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@cargoboom1042

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains No problem:D

Thanks for the review Sam, I was considered getting some of these and run large trains. Now I will probably wait until the Hornby ones are released

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex - that's probably wise, good plan! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains I'd wait on the Review first. Like a damn box of chocolates. Let Sam stick his thumb in the bottom, first.

I really would enjoy seeing an inspection video because this is driving me crazy what is wrong with this loco 🧐

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha I know - I'll put it down for a potential autopsy video! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@bluglouk

3 жыл бұрын

Yes this would be interesting

@mobius8002

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with this loco is the nut behind the camera.hes i tit.

@lucitonstjames3925

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with this locomotive is that it has been one of the staples of the Hornby range for donkeys years & as recent evidence from Hornby suggests , how dare other companies make models of things they consider theirs & theirs only. Plenty of good reviews / testimony from modellers who use these models on their layouts pulling good length trains etc. So Hornby are making a new one & so the question arises of how do Hornby try to convince people to buy their new model & not stick with their existing Bachmann one / deter future Bachmann sales , I’ll leave it you to join the dots.

Very interesting. When Hornby announced their new 9F earlier this year there were a lot of people confused as to why they would bother when Bachman’s model was still considered pretty good. Having seen this though, I reckon Hornby have got a good shot at producing a far more superior loco as long as they don’t make the same mistakes! Great video Sam 👍

@robstrains8711

3 жыл бұрын

This reveiw does not in anyway represent the Bachmann 9f Sam has received a faulty seconds loco I have several of these and they all run perfectly and the pulling power is awesome. Now because of one review an awesome loco is going to be seen as a lemon when it is not.

@ThatModelRailwayGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@robstrains8711 I mean, if your ones run well that's great but the loco has other shortcomings yet still quite a high price tag. But my point was more that I'd heard people wondering why Hornby were bothering to do a new 9F when Bachmann had already made the definitive model. Having now seen the Bachmann model in a bit more detail it's my personal opinion that there are several things that could be improved upon, so I now understand why Hornby have decided to have a go.

@cleo6686

3 жыл бұрын

@@robstrains8711 Agree. Not sure what is going on with Sam's 9F. Suspect contact problem.

@cleo6686

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I wouldn't say that the Botchman is the definitive model by a long ways. Hopefully Hornby will use an uodated version of their 9F Crosti/Railroad drive

@ThatModelRailwayGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@cleo6686 Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly - I meant that other people had said the Bachmann model was so good that Hornby shouldn't bother. Hornby recently released the CADs for their 9F though and the amount of detail looks superb... but obviously that doesn't give us any indication on how well it will run. 😂

I very recently got the Bachmann Collet Goods. One of those 9f's were on sale at the shop but im glad i didn't get it. He ran it for us to see if it worked and it stopped after 10 seconds of moving. Definitely getting one of the hornby ones when they release

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Oh very interesting... and pretty embarrassing for the shop owner, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have the Hornby centenary 9f. It runs like a dream and have ran it for a combined time of about 200 hours in 1 year, I run it all the time because of how nice it is. It has tender pickups and all driving wheels pickup. The driving wheels have bearings and it can crawl slower than any model I have ever seen you review! It has many die cast parts and I look forward to seeing hornbys new 9f.

I love how she looks. That' s the nicest locomotive i' ve had seen

@chlebasmaslem591

3 жыл бұрын

but the mechanism is terrible

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know - they're pretty cool looking aren't they?? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

At least with the Hornby centenary 9F you get a nice box and a fibreglass keepsake . . :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha that's true... and presumably it'll work properly too, which is a nice bonus! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

My Bachmann 9F, black with early crest, runs very well. I am excited to see the new Hornby model though!

I'm very glad I never sprang for one of the Bachmann 9Fs and waited for Hornby to re-tool it, that Hornby model is looking so good!! And Hattons says I will actually be getting one so fingers crossed

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yep - I think you did the right thing! Fingers crossed for you! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I Have seen lots of you reviews and have found them interesting but this 1 I dont understand, I have about 50 Hornby Locos and the only steam Locos I have from Bachmann are the 9Fs and I have to say they out perform all of the Hornby locos with pulling power and they never have a problem with pick ups or stopping, And the detail looks great. ?

Thanks for reviewing this because I was thinking of getting one but never mind guess I’m waiting for Hornby a retooled version

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Oh totally - I'd definitely wait and see what Hornby's retooled version is like... and even if it's no good, I'd still recommend the Railroad ones over this! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

Run, don't walk, away from this disaster. Watch out for Hornby, they have put some real stink bombs into the market. I own one.

@cleo6686

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreymcneal1920 A2/2 is an utter joke. Same with large Prairie. Suspect the Hush Hush etc will be junkers as well...and priced astronomically. Hornby mag will gush of course..

@jbhtrams

2 жыл бұрын

That one is a duff one. The Bachmann ones are better most of the time! Mine are all original and running well!!!

Cool video, I enjoy whenever you review a bad model and just not hold back on any thing but anyways keep up the good work.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha thank you, glad you like that! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

What really astonishes me is that the manufacturers don't seem to be paying attention. That, or they are subservient to their Cantonese masters. I cannot understand. American automobile industry was nearly sunk back in the 1970's. Automobiles like the Pinto, notorious for bursting into flames upon impact, nearly destroyed FOMOCO. The AMC Gremlin (what's in a name) really did eliminate that manufacturer. The Vega and its plastic timing gear almost sank GMC, not that it would have been a bad thing.

Hi Sam, I've got there Evening Star version. I've had no issues running round 18" (2nd Radius) curves on DCC (Zimo sound decoder). Bachmann are still offering a BR green version to the Collector's Club plus 2 in the main range at £219 & £209 as the RRP!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. Given how shoddy the mechanism is, I can't say I'm surprised though!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Send it back Sam lad, not worth it (also very generous, think I'd have given it a 4 maximum haha)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dougie - I did consider it... but it's part of the collection now for better or worse... I might even make a project out of it! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Did you watch The Unlucky Tug's video on the Flying Scotsman USA tour?

@lukeslocomotives

3 жыл бұрын

I did and it was amazing

@Vinyl_guy

3 жыл бұрын

i did

@Doctor_Cookies1

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't yet - should I?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@Vinyl_guy

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains you could recreate the train and consist from that event

I've sent you an emal showing the issue I had. It's amazing mine ran at all without that gearpin missing.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Craig - that does sound unbelievable! I'll certainly look into that... though I haven't found any gearpins as of yet! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Good vid sam! My Railroad 9F R3942 has sprung buffers and Tender pickups 🤪

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I know - Hornby's is so much better to my mind! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

Keep the bloody sprung buffers, just sell me something that works reliably.

Early, haven’t watched the video but I bet it’s gonna be a good one

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome - hope you enjoy it!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

I saw it. Needed an airline barf bag midway.

Did you like driving the 9F in real life? :p

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

It did - much more so than driving this model! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@cargoboom1042

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains wait Sam did you drive the 9F?

@IndustrialParrot2816

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains you actully drove one cool decapods aren't the biggest but they certinaly aren't small really only the 4-12-2s and the articulated locomotives can 1up a decapod

Thanks I thought I was going deaf, tried cleaning my ears much better now. :)

When I got my 9F and took it on the track for the first time, it ran fine. And it has tender pickups. So, I think at this point, Bachmann might have made a newer 9F. However, it does still slow down on the corners, but lots of my Locos have that problem. It also does have lots of cab details probably the most out of all my models

Hello Sam. Nice video. I haven't commented in a while. The performance of the 9f was terrible. Congratulations on getting 100k subscribers, are/did you getting/get a 100k subscriber plaque.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Oliver - yeah it sure was! Yep - it's been confirmed, should be with me in a few weeks, and I'll do a video on it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@Olivers-trains

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains I hope it comes perfect. You don't want any damage to it.

Hi Sam. 🤗

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Hello!! :D

Hi Sam. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! I would love to see a forensic autopsy of this loco.

Finally the bachmann 9F. My favourite class of locomotive. These may not have the best mechanisms but they’re e tough though, good for 90 wagons unassisted probably more but I ran out of room on the club layout. I put my faith in these as I have 4 with a retooled Hornby one on pre-order to see how it compares. So I’m yet to be convinced by Hornbys offerings. I’ll have to get a crosti boilered one. To get a taster. Still waiting for a RTR Tyne dock 9F for the KR models Consett Iron Ore wagons I’ve got on order. Anyways good video mate and keep up the good work. Ross.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Ross - yeah that's right - and the pulling power certainly isn't bad at all! That sounds great - wondering how those will turn out now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam I think you have turd of a model. My Bachmann 9f. Iv had one for years. Its is an old model now. But It’s never broken, no detail has ever fell off, and it can pull 50 to 60 wagons on layout with scale gradients.

@dancalmpeaceful3903

3 жыл бұрын

As per the movie "Christine"....you know about "turds"......you can't polish them....

Any day that Sam uploads is going to be a good day

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Awhh thank you! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@spadiuA321

3 жыл бұрын

very very true

@ZLDSmogless

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, And he's uploading a lot more often recently

@ianmulcrone3090

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@jimmyduncan7650

3 жыл бұрын

Well for us viewers it is, not necessarily for Sam. We appreciate him more than he knows.

Another video that shows the facts that forms your opinions, I seriously think this loco should be sent back to bachman for them to give you a full report on its problems as many people in your comments have good ones, but however good some people find them there is no excuse for lack of axle bearings on a premium model and the worst thing of all is that it's still available to buy new, bachman should use you to test all there products before realeasing them to the unsuspecting public to avoid further embarrasment because their testers and technical design team need sacking if this model is anything to go by, thank you for your see it as it is video Sam.

You've really put the wind up me here! I've got a Bachmann 9F (weathered. 92233) as part of the loco "stud" for my long-proposed "retirement project" of a Somerset & Dorset layout, and purchased some years ago now. (Incidentally at that time, it was Hornby who were getting a "bad press" for the unreliability of some of their steam outline model mechanisms!). It was a vast step forward, in terms of detail and overall "look" from the Hornby "Railroad"9F (I heard on the Hornby launch announcement for their "brand-new" (and very expensive) version is in celebration of 50 years since the introduction by Tri-Ang Hornby of the original "Evening Star", of which their Railroad model is a direct descendant. Although I've only run my Bachmann 9F on a test track, it seems to run, and start and "creep", a lot smoother than your purchase and I've seen a video on KZread from a year or two ago of an identical loco hauling nine Mk1 bogies around a "tail chaser" layout without apparently having any problems, which would be adequate for my plans. Obviously the design is dated from before space was required for all the "gizmos" which are now part of our DCC model railway age. So here's my dilemma: Before Hornby announced their new model, I had it in mind to invest in another Bachmann 9F from the TMC batch Then I though I'd wait for the Hornby one to come out, but according to their announcement, apart from "Evening Star" -again!- the other two proposed versions are fitted with versions of the BR1B high-capacity tender ( i suppose because in model form it provides more space for the fitting of "loco sound").The Somerset & Dorset 9F's were coupled, like "Evening Star", to the BR1G tender with inset coal bunker. No "basic black" model of this version is apparently going to be released. I know that "Evening Star" was allocated for a short time to haul the last "Pines Express" over the S&D on 8th September 1962, and again a year or two later to haul 3-coach "locals" during a loco shortage at Bath, but all the other S&D 9F's were "dirty black". What do I do? Either assume that the TMC model you have is a poor example (presumably this was a "short run" batch, as the model is not in the current Bachmann catalogue), or wait (and save up my dough) in the hope and expectation that some time in the future Hornby will add a black liveried 9F with double chimney and BR1G tender.to their range?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! It's entirely up to you of course - I've also heard of these Bachmann 9Fs running excellently... but good performance or not, they still contain those terrible mechanisms. That said, we don't know whether the Hornby 9Fs will be any good... I expect they will be, but it's too early to say! Maybe it'd be best to wait a while, and see what Hornby's turns out like? Hopefully it'll be with us within the next year! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I’ve had bad luck with Bachmann this year. 3 out of 4 diesel locomotives had to go get warranty repairs. 2 right out of the box, and 1 had the motor burn out within a month.

I've got two Bachmann 9fs. One I've had for 11 years. No faults at all. Same with my other I've only had two years. Once again Sam's vendetta against Bachmann strikes again.

@Forevagrey

3 жыл бұрын

Yet again attacking a model that's 15 years old because it's the best he can do

@SteamingThroughYorkshire

3 жыл бұрын

@@Forevagrey oh definitely.

@lucitonstjames3925

3 жыл бұрын

Without Bachmanns arrival back in the early 1990’s Hornby & Lima where quite content turning the same gear out. In Hornbys case they had no money / desire to make better models & Lima had nailed their colours to the collecting - ltd edition mast. The letters to Hornby / Lima , the model press trying to get them to change all in vain, told that modellers would not pay £75 for locos with can motors & lights , let alone freight wagons at £17.50-£21.95 , many a letter back from Hornby / Lima stating that I was wrong & that demand wasn’t there. Then Bachmann came along , listened to what we where saying & suddenly Hornby & Lima where caught cold & having to play catch up. The Bachmann 9f is a established model & so it seems strange to review a well regarded model & basically diss it knowing that Hornby are about to issue a new tool model, certainly raises questions.Bachmanns ability to make the models to the standards modellers wanted certainly put a few noses out of joint at Margate & Hemel Hempstead. Hornby have a arrogance that I find sickly , this god given right that because they have the ‘name’ ‘heritage’ that they really think they are some kind of premier brand / & god forbid anybody else stepping on their toes & make models of things they consider theirs & theirs only.The 9f has been a staple of the Hornby range for donkeys years & as Cavalex / Rails of Sheffield have seen , Kholer is not averse to spitting his dummy out of his pram. Rapido trains doing a good job in turning the tables on him though😀

@wellingtonnorthjunction3911

Жыл бұрын

Your not wrong I had one and sold it for a Dcc one it was an old one ran fine nothing wrong with it one of the smoothest models I ever had

9F’s, the 999th steam loco made by BR, and the 1st steam loco I knew about. Still my favorite steam locomotive.

Honestly I think its a beautiful model Sam! It's amazing that nine examples are preserved, despite their short working life! Still, its great to have those nine, especially Evening Star!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I agree Ryno - it sure is amazing! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@rynodynomyte2755

3 жыл бұрын

No problem Sam! :)

Good review Sam I wouldn’t say it’s the worst personally I’m sure we have seen a lot worse than this before.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Not the worst ever - but I do think this is the worst I've seen so far this year ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Oddly, 'Britain's Model Trains 2020' gave this model an overall score of 92% . The same publication for 2021 doesn't use the same scoring system but gives it 46/50 - including 10/10 for performance! This model first appeared in 2005/2006 so it's 15 years old. Despite having only a 3-pole motor, no bearings and no tender pickups, my example performs beautifully (on DCC), it crawls well and pulls very long trains up steep slopes. I think your's is a dud and should go back to TMC!

@mikeking2539

3 жыл бұрын

I have two of them and have no ‘real’ issues with either of them. They run perfectly well despite their age, and ok perhaps a upgraded chassis with bronze bearings and a 5 pole motor would improve things. But by how much and retooling costs money and that would be passed onto us the consumers/customers.

@dwaynejohnson4892

2 жыл бұрын

Model locos should have at least, metal bearings, 5 pole motors, and flywheels. Without them they are not considered models. Britain’s model trains obviously have Bachmann in their pocket and to be able to give a score of 10/10 for performance makes me complete distrust them. Real locomotives have metal bearings. All moving parts that spin should have bearings. I’ve had a bachmann 9f and it performed the same as this one. Never again will I buy a bachmann steam loco.

@jamesgilbart2672

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwaynejohnson4892 I totally agree that these locos should come with bearings, flywheels and a 5-pole motor (and tender pick-ups) as standard - especially given the ridiculous prices that Bachmann are now charging. I was expressing surprise that my example performs well, as does my Bachmann Hall class, in spite of all the shortcomings. Yes, the annual Britain's Model Trains publication does score some locos unexpectedly high but I don't know who's pocket they're in!

I love the 9F myself, one of my favourite types of train

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - got to love them haven't you? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I was originally going to look for a bachmann 9F a few years ago before I found my hornby one because I at the time thought they would be better, thankfully after watching this I think it’s safe to say I dodged a bullet. Great review, shame I didn’t perform better.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha that is safe to say - really looking forward to the new ones now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have 92006, 2nd hand and partially weathered (I'll weather it more myself at a later date), I think (I hope) I paid around £90 for it. The detail is way better than the hornby offering, and the nem pockets are a huge step up from the fixed large tension locks of triang hornby days (although I guess the newer railroad ones may have had upgraded couplings). Except the hornby mechanism is much more powerful and reliable, as my railroad one had 16-wheel pickup yet the bachmann one only has 8 (none on the middle drivers, none on the tender). I'm gonna be adding tender pickups at some point too. My hornby 9f would haul 30 wagons with ease, slipping where necessary, but then it suffered from mazak rot so had to disappear (before I started regularly running trains of 40+ wagons). My bachmann one slows to a crawl under any sort of load, barely slips, even on DCC. The 9Fs were actually found to be able to run 70mph+ on expresses when required, probably summer saturday jobs. Awesome to see you running decent length freight trains now, since you got all the new open wagons. Next up will be a crosti 9f, then a new hornby 9f with westinghouse pumps for the new kr models consett iron ore wagons. Are you calling Bullman fat?!?!

The gearing has lubricant, but the axles look very dry, so I'd try lightly lubricating them. Also, this was produced in 2016 (see RMweb for announcement of the limited run 32-859Z) so it's been sitting around for 5+ years, so absolutely no surprise it's dry and tight. I'd give it a thorough going over and then re-appraise it.

Congratulations for reaching 100k subscribers

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

hi Sam, RoyIwonder if using molybdenum disulphide grease, aka moly slip bearing grease would help these non bearing locos its available from any motor parts store for a couple of quid, so worth a try once the review is over and you are running it for pleasure. you are never too harsh and in fact your sunny cheerful character means you tend to struggle mightily towards the positive, I would have called this a pile of horse exhaust! thanks for another great visit to your world. take care, Roy.

My two Bachmann 9Fs from 2007 are superb, beautiful runners, great to view with close fitting tenders, trundling along with a long rake of wagons. Is it the case that this a new version whose mechanism is not as good as the original or is it possible yours simply does not like the tight radius "chicane" on your line?

@althafrafianto

3 жыл бұрын

i thought about this too. the corners he uses have a very tight radius

I've got one of the early Bachmann 9f's from around 2008 and it still runs nicely. I too dislike the lack of bearings etc. though. In my limited experience, clacky jerky running like that is often an issue with bent or sticking valve gear, you might want to check that out before binning it. :) Nice video as usual Sam

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing Gerry, I'll definitely investigate that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

These 9f's were seen a lot locally to me on the S&D as they absolutely shrugged off the 1 in 33 and 1 in 34's the Bath to Templecombe section had, lesser engines had to be banked on the climb up from Wincanton but not the 9f who could pull a 40x loaded, unfitted coal wagon set plus 20T brake van with little problem and the Pines Express 9f's took the train from Bath to Bournemouth and BR kept adding more capacity and the engine just performed superbly. They were still being used for freight when DMU's took over passenger running but not the Pines, that was still the 9f and because it didn't crawl up the sharp gradient leaving Bath or the insane climb up from Wincanton, it just was a winner all round.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - they certainly are amazing machines aren't they? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

At 24:16 you can clearly see the rear-most element of the connecting rod fluctuating between top edge out/lower edge out. I believe the poor running is caused by the articulated connecting rod. I had the same problem with my Tri-Ang Hornby Evening Star. Although I think that was in the Nineteen-Seventies!

The Bachmann motion is either binding, it stops at the same position almost every time or, the quartering is out. Add the sloppy “bearings” and that just exacerbates the problem.

Bachmann makes two levels of HO locomotives. One for the novice trainset class and the other for the seasoned pro. My early American EMD GP-30's had poor mechanisms but my later Alco Rs-3's are amazing. Apparently there are more than one assembly facilities.

Hi Sam, it never ceases to amaze me how inconsistent model trains are, regardless of manufacture, it is like playing dodge ball, it seems that this hobby is just one big lucky dip, i take my hat off to you for making channels like this as it saves alot of grief to us, the consumer, thanks again mate, cheers Alan.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

You're right Alan - there is a great deal of inconsistency! Appreciate your kind words - that means a lot! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@michaelgmoore5708

3 жыл бұрын

Put it together and run it!

Great review. However, I have a Bachmann 9f (Locomotion models Evening Star in gloss) and I don’t have most of these problems that you found. The only quality issue is one small part (that I can’t find the location of!) that broke off the tender in transit. It performs very well for me and even though the motor is relatively loud, the wheels of the coaches and the engine make a sound that drowns it out. I find the detail on mine (because it has the extra paint and picked out pipes) to be good and I haven’t taken it apart for a look at the ugly mechanism! I never noticed the problems until you pointed them out. I really enjoyed this review!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Don't take it apart though - the illusion of quality will be shattered ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@theeveningstar9235

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Also while running it today I noticed that on the special edition one, the gauges are picked out with dials and the copper pipe work is picked out too. It came with etched nameplates and builders plates in the pack.

Interesting review Sam. Got to say I am happy with my 9f but your review has made me inspect it a little closer. It was a 2nd hand older release, so maybe I'm being more forgiving. I think it raises an interesting question though. This came out in 2006 when it would have blown the then current (ringfield) Hornby 9f out of the water. Designer's time and machining resources are finite, would we rather have new prototypes, or the old models continually revisited to bring them up to date?

I have a Bachmann 9f and mine runs fine and is a smooth runner. Also Bachmann are planning to release 2 new 9Fs just still no release date.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear yours is better - I'm amazed that any of these run well given what's inside! I'd be surprised if we saw any more 9Fs from Bachmann! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@phantom66kempo

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Well I found this on Bachmann's website www.bachmann.co.uk/product/category/152/br-standard-9f-with-br1f-tender-92212-br-black-%28late-crest%29/32-859a

Really enjoyed the video today Sam such a shame about the mechanism would you do a comparison video between the Bachmann and hornby one

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much James - that's a great idea, maybe I will do when the new Hornby one comes out? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam. Sorry to say I have a great one which compares with the Hornby version. I also bought both when I worked for Wirral Transport Museum, for their 'Mostyn Junction' layout. Both worked extremely well out of the box and after running in, pulling either 10-12 coaches or 25-30 wagons on the layout every weekend and school holidays.

@jbhtrams

2 жыл бұрын

Eventually we had to replace the motor, but within the week, we had to replace the motor in the Hornby one too!!!! Both great locos. Think you should take yours back force replacement. Normally I agree with you, but think you just got a duff one!!! Good Luck! John Harrison. Wallasey, Wirral.

8:40 Never seen a 9F without smoke deflectors before! Thanks alot Sam LOL

@pirozcontractor6006

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the Crosti boiler 9f .

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha yeah... bit nightmareish isn't it? ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Very cool you got the class leader but in defense to the 2 bachmann 9F locos i have i have zero issues with their performance as i have done a video on a single 9F's strength pulling 16 heavy coaches on a heavily inclined layout is good plus it's not as bad as hornby having the 4F and 2P in the railways range when they clearly belong in railroad range

I brought a "super detailed" Hornby 9F (Evening Star) in 2018, hoping to be the the 1st loco-driven version , but turned out to be the last tender-driven batch despite the newer packaging, so I wanted a loco driven one. At that time I could not find the right Hornby 9F (with the tender pickups) for a reasonable price, but I found a Bachmann "Evening Star" for 83 GBP DCC fitted, mint condition. So i brought that instead. Sadly I can not tell any experience with mine, do to it turned ot the decoder does not support DC operation, so I only run it for 5 minutes for testing, but mine has way less tooling issues, probably do to its an earlier product, and the BR green looks awesome from Bachmann! I will be interested in the new Hornby 9F!

There should be a line along the top of the boiler on most steam locos as the real things had boiler cladding in two halves joined at the top.

Congrats on 100k, sam!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

@jeffreymcneal1920

3 жыл бұрын

13,000 watched in the last few hours. Those that fail to watch and buy this steaming piece of night soil will be sure to tune in next time, like me.

You can use close cupled tender on it without any issues, I don't have and running issues when it is close coupled. I have two of them a weathered BR Black and the nice BR Green Evening Star! Never noticed any issu with the way mine fit together, no gaps between the cab and the running boards/plate. Perhaps the tooling is getting a little past its' best!

Considering friction from the bearings seems to be the downfall of the Bachmann 9F; next time you service it apply a PTFE / Teflon based lubricant. Superior lubrication might help.

I own a Bachman 9f, and the detail + mechanism looks the same, so I assume that they are the same tooling, and mine has never had any issues with the motor (but it does have something against 2nd radius turns!)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - I'm only aware of one Bachmann 9F design! Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. Given how shoddy the mechanism is, I can't say I'm surprised though!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)