The P.f. Anju Khatiwada was my aunt, losing her this early was deeply saddening, her determination to become a pilot was just out of the world R.I.P aunt and uncle

@nykster1014

Жыл бұрын

My condolences.

@loridavis9904

Жыл бұрын

I’m so very sorry 😞

@mikekelly6023

Жыл бұрын

My prayers 🙏 go out to you for your loss God bless them and you my friend 🙏❤️🇨🇦

@VioletSkye19

11 ай бұрын

I’m so sorry for your families loss, especially her child, if it’s any consolation at least they are now together in whatever comes after this

@davidbrien1870

11 ай бұрын

Do you live in napel also

It’s hard to understand how a pilot for 6000 hours can mistake the flaps for the propellor and never even notice. RIP to all.

@knowsmebyname

Жыл бұрын

Distracted. Bored. Not giving the job his full attention. It happens all the time and everyone is familiar with it.

@FirstLast_Nba

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't the sound of the propellers change?

@depressedkid8739

Жыл бұрын

according to the transcript it seems like the PM was the one who presumably mistook the flaps for the conditions lever , also the PM as I know had close to if not more than 20000 hrs. he was the instructor Pilot or check airmen as you call it in the US . Also the PF who is on the Left seat is probably looking out the window during the turn to line up for the runway and failed to notice what had happened , if you read the report this whole accident sequence took under 60 sec which is not a lot of time to figure out what went wrong .

@fernandobitt

Жыл бұрын

I will wait for the final report to confirm whether it was a mistake by the PM that caused this accident or not. It's an incredibly gross mistake. I know that sometimes because of the flight frequency fatigue a pilot can make a mistake, but this mistake was very gross.

@knowsmebyname

Жыл бұрын

@@FirstLast_Nba as potato said they didn't have much time. They knew there was a power problem whether from the instruments or flying characteristics or other ques. They didn't have time to figure out the why.

Anyone can make mistakes, but what is mind-boggling is that Anju told the PM at least THREE TIMES of the loss of power! How in the world did he not check the prop lever!? So tragic!

@blackhawkorg

Жыл бұрын

She had eyes. They stayed in the turn even though she knew they were bleeding speed apparently. No mayday. Didn't try to avoid a populated area. Turning the controls over at the last minute wasn't a good plan either. Complete and utter mismanagement of that landing approach and crash.

@daidavies6210

Жыл бұрын

Why is everyone blaming the Man when it’s clearly the Females thats at fault …

@johnnymartinjohansen

Жыл бұрын

She could easily have glanced at the levers herself to confirm their positions, it would have taken less than a second. Stop only blaming the other captain, based on this video she wasn't without fault either.

@dannicatzer305

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me they both made mistakes..

@nobodyspecial4702

Жыл бұрын

@Lurch No 6000 hour pilot trainee is going to question a 20000 hour pilot. I suggest you check out the Tenarife air disaster to see exactly how MALE pilots with thousands of hours never even once questioned their senior pilot when he decided to take off without clearance. You simply want to blame a woman for a mans mistake.

I was instantly saddened by the cruel twist of fate I knew was coming when I heard that her husband had died co-piloting, and that having been the spark to fly in the first place. I can't imagine how their daughter must feel. I wouldn't blame her if she never flies.

@Joanla1954

Жыл бұрын

Same. The poor daughter is an orphan, how very sad for her.

@lubomirkubasdQw4w9WgXcQ

11 ай бұрын

I MEAN, ITàS KIND OF hard to fly when you are dead. Hhh h H

@stephenkerridge7623

11 ай бұрын

Both these pilots were MASS MURDERERS !!!

@donyates4855

11 ай бұрын

RIP all

@RooEfx

11 ай бұрын

The TSA made me never fly commercially again. Charters with under 66 passengers and private flights are still 100% exempt.

I cannot imagine being so close to landing and facing a crash instead in your final moments of life.

@fredandrews9216

Жыл бұрын

Well, usually the crash is associated with your final moments, unless you survive.😆

@sarasays...850

Жыл бұрын

Take off and landing are the two most dangerous points in flying. Most travelers think it’s in the air.

@oahuhawaii2141

Жыл бұрын

@SaraSays: The late part of takeoff all the way to the last part of landing is "in the air".

@RickL_was_here

Жыл бұрын

Watch the video of the guy streaming the whole thing as a passenger....

@debraallen63

Жыл бұрын

@@RickL_was_here Link??

Looks like it came down to the PM pulling the wrong lever. Anju was so close to achieving her dream of flying as a Captain! 😞

@g_pazzini

Жыл бұрын

instructor pilot is also a human who can make mistake 😢😢😢

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

I’m also having suspicions that something really bad is going on within that airline. That was the fourth time in seven years that an incident has occurred and the second in the last six months.

@patriciamariemitchel

Жыл бұрын

​@@Powerranger-le4up, to say that would involve the PM flying himself and all on board into the ground. Whether he had these kind of intentions, hopefully, the investigation will show. 😞😢

@javiergilvidal1558

Жыл бұрын

@@Powerranger-le4up Yeah, beginning with the name. Who was th genius who came up with "Yety Airways"?

@dimitri1515

Жыл бұрын

@@Powerranger-le4up Yes, it seems even the "experienced" pilot wasn't very good. I do wish planes had some sort of system to alert "hey, this thing you just did, are you sure you really wanted to do that?"

How can a captain, an instructor pilot, performed such gross negligence?

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

Incompetence might be a better description.

@sammencia7945

Жыл бұрын

Might have had something to do with the XX in the left seat.

@mrslcom

Жыл бұрын

I sure hope not, for the sake of all those innocent souls on board.

@nobodyspecial4702

Жыл бұрын

@@sammencia7945 Might want to hide your chauvinism a little better. Or not, if you want to die as a virgin. Or are you saying men lack the ability to perform their job when a woman is anywhere near them? If that's your argument, that would be a pretty harsh accusation against men.

@matali6067

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the computer makes the mistake

As a Class III pilot this terrible accident makes some sense. Like most accidents, be they in a car, or at a factory, or in an airplane, too many hours can be fatalistic. Especially if you are not pushed to meet the standards precisely from time to time by a neurotic instructor. Feeling like you can do this with your eyes closed is the worst possible level of confidence. For it is then that you will most likely make the mistake that will cost dearly.

@yusefhusam

11 ай бұрын

Well said

@mymindseyesees2002

11 ай бұрын

Yes indeed. My husband has a A and P license and used to work on jets and said that being exhausted from being overworked was a contributing factor in maintenance neglect and mistakes

@keep_walking_on_grass

11 ай бұрын

Routine is not a good skill to have in some jobs. Not allowing yourself to fall into routine is a skill.

@TinaSakelos-oo4pq

11 ай бұрын

Why didn't the Captain/Instructor take over and fix the problem. He took over at the end and crashed. Like they wanted too. I saw the movie Flight. Too bad Denzel wasn't on board because he would of landed it upside down.

@class2instructor32

10 ай бұрын

Complacency kills look at all the accidents with class 1 instructors with thousands of hours, that and if you fly long enough you will meet the student with the skills to kill you.

Watching the video of the man smiling moments before the crash was heartbreaking.

I feel for their daughter. Now parentless. I’m glad some time passed so she’s an adult, but still horrible to know both your parents died in aviation. The odds are astounding of that happen and hopefully the daughter still knows aviation is extremely safe.

@danhulsoor2631

Жыл бұрын

How is it extremely safe if they're both dead?

@rosariabirrane2373

Жыл бұрын

Surely safer now...

@ligmasack9038

Жыл бұрын

seeing as how the Pilot Flying killed everyone, I think she should be more embarrassed that BOTH of her Parents were not very good Aviators that killed a lot of People with their refusal/inability to do their Job properly...

@giovannigiorgio2262

Жыл бұрын

I feel for their daughter. Now parentless. I’m glad some time passed so she’s an adult, but still horrible to know both your parents died in aviation. The odds are astounding of that happen and hopefully the daughter still knows aviation is extremely safe.

@SEAAviator

Жыл бұрын

@@ligmasack9038 This statement is a complete misrepresentation of what happened.

I remember someone posting on Twitter a video of a passenger doing a selfie in the final seconds of the flight. From happiness and glee to terror and flames within a moment. One of the most disturbing videos I have ever seen, considering that I swear that I heard screams and crying AFTER the crash, as if passengers actually briefly survived and died in tremendous suffering. The official word is that there were no survivors, but that was not the case until some time after impact.

@SAVarXX

11 ай бұрын

those were thankfully not screams but the sounds of the engines. between the force of the initial impact, the pressure from the point blank explosion from the jet fuel igniting and the jet fuel itself it is extremely unlikely you would survive for more than a split second. It's not the fall that kills you, its the sudden stop

@SmilingSynic

11 ай бұрын

@@SAVarXX Hopefully so, but do remember that there have been survivors (at least for a while) during other crashes that had a much less controlled and intense drop. The 1985 JAL disaster, for example.

@sarahwentforalemonwedgeand8991

7 ай бұрын

there is no such video.

@SmilingSynic

7 ай бұрын

Yes, there was, lol. It may well have been taken down now, since it was so disturbing. But it is something I will never forget seeing.@@sarahwentforalemonwedgeand8991

@marianamour

5 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqGpk8SrpZe5lrQ.htmlsi=3UOXCX55g4VQasH2​@@sarahwentforalemonwedgeand8991

A passenger named Sonu Jaiswal live-streamed a Facebook video on board this plane when it crashed. The video is absolutely heartbreaking

@youneke

Жыл бұрын

Saw it

@paulymac5513

Жыл бұрын

Do you have the link?

@paulymac5513

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/enx7wax9mNLKgpc.html

@snakemaier

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqGpk8SrpZe5lrQ.html

@chrissmith3668

Жыл бұрын

@@paulymac5513 it’s a hard watch. I wish I hadn’t seen it

It's strange that they didn't immediately notice both the deceleration and change in engine sound.

@lukethomas.125

Жыл бұрын

It should be immediately noticeable to both pilots. Even the PF, who had over 6000 flight hours.

@chris22capt

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the sound of propeller pitch change will be noticeable while flying, but for sure they should have caught the master caution chime and light.

@lukethomas.125

Жыл бұрын

@@chris22capt You would surely feel the engines go into Feather mode, the sensation is similar jet engines going from takeoff power to idle instantly

@chris22capt

Жыл бұрын

@@lukethomas.125 that is for sure, but what is even more strange, how did nobody notice the master caution when the acw became offline on the featherinh. Even if the master caution chime somehow inop, you can't for sure missed that loud clack sound when the acw become offline. How can nobody noticed that...

@lukethomas.125

Жыл бұрын

@@chris22capt I know it's extremely bizarre. The PF had over 6000 hours and the Instructor (PM) likely had many more, how on earth did they miss the Master Caution warning?

Since feathering is used only in extremely rare cases, there should be some kind of safety lock or warning sounds to prevent such tragedies from happening.

@user-cf9bw5gt5k

Жыл бұрын

Too much warn sound will confuse the pilot，it need to reserve for the situation which is dire

@nigelstanford4

Жыл бұрын

Can someone please explain what went wrong in layman’s terms? I’m so lost.

@JohnDoe-uu9gh

Жыл бұрын

@@nigelstanford4 The pilot (we assume accidentally) pulled the lever that determines what angle the propeller blades are angled to near 0% (called feathering). This caused them to produce no thrust to power the plane. As a result, not enough air was passing over the wings to keep it airborne. The plane therefore stalled and crashed. What the other two commenters are discussing is the idea that since a pilot would only ever lower the propeller angle like that on purpose in an emergency scenario, there should be a warning sound to tell pilots in case it is done accidentally. That likely would have saved the plane in this case.

@nigelstanford4

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-uu9gh thank you, did the flappers not rotating have anything to do with the crash?

@TB-if7px

Жыл бұрын

@@nigelstanford4Probably not, flaps create more lift, but also more drag. (You can fly slower, but need more thrust input) With the props feathered it would’ve lost enough speed and energy anyway so it still would’ve stalled.

Thanks for covering this accident, I have been a fan for a while.I am half Nepalese but I live in the other country I am from. My dad took the flight before this and I was very sad because I thought he was on this flight. He called me 2 days after. May the victims of the incident rest well and god bless their families.

*She died in the same way her husband did (operating a plane). And 17 years apart. Wow. May they rest in peace and reunite in heaven* 😢🙏

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

Though her husband flew Twin Otters.

@aaronburns9538

Жыл бұрын

You think maybe their kids will avoid flying?

@TheRagingRayn

Жыл бұрын

@Buckwheat Are you trying to be offended over nothing?

@CptThisGuy

Жыл бұрын

​@Buckwheat bro what are you even trying to tell? You high af rn 😂

@javiergilvidal1558

Жыл бұрын

Women in the cockpit. Tik-Tok air hostesses. Wow! What could possibly go wrong?

Such a sad story. I don't usually get affected watching these type of video but I became truly choked up about this one. May all of the victims rest in peace. 😥

@chrispiazza7487

Жыл бұрын

I was going to write pretty much the same thing.

@lisamac8503

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes Lets all hope they rest in peace ......

@Lennythewinner

Жыл бұрын

Me likewise😢

@radhasen.animalwelfare.5644

Жыл бұрын

How helpless each one feels strapped to their seats and crew as well knowing there's not a chances to survive while plummeting towards the ground at full speed. How very sad.

@josephfilm73

11 ай бұрын

It is a certain death. I imagine fear level is off the charts. Like a roller coasted ride from hell. I wonder what you think about in those last few forlorn seconds when you know your life is doomed and can do not a thing about it? That would truly suck. Disbelief I would imagine, maybe that you wasted your entire unlucky life on a ***** plane ride. Then the long dirt nap for all eternity. Only good thing, it prob isn't too physically painful. I should imagine the hundreds of bodies just disintegrate into small pieces in a fraction of a second. Prob no bodies even to recover. Of all the ways to die, covid, Russian window gravity death, plane crash are the top three crappy ones.

It seems like a simple thing to have the computer announce something like "flap adjustment" or "propeller adjustment" when those controls are being used.

We need a coroner's full report on the mental and physical state of both pilots, including how well rested they were before flying. Tragic loss of life. RIP to all

@ercieberwick1513

Жыл бұрын

Was there drinking involved?

@ndavies9384

Жыл бұрын

And jab status...

@skeetermcswagger0U812

Жыл бұрын

How is an autopsy report going to determine somebody's mental/psychological status?🤔 Are you're mental?🤤 EDIT: Disregard this whole response, I mistakenly saw 'autopsy report' instead of 'coroner's full report. *I was mental this time.* 🤪🤯

@gregoryashton

Жыл бұрын

@@skeetermcswagger0U812 Well, thanks for your smooth-brain comment. Can you tell me where I said anything about an autopsy report? I said "coroner's full report". Google is your friend, go and educate yourself.

@DanaRender82

Жыл бұрын

​@N Davies most likely the remains of those pilots were burned and destroyed beyond the ability to do the analysis you're talking about.

The PM was not doing his job, if he had read the flap indicator on the instrument panel he would have seen they had not moved. A complete ant total incompetence by the PM

during the final stage there was a passenger who filmed the crash on board, poor people, rest in peace all victims😣😓

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

I saw that.

@catscanhavelittleasalami

Жыл бұрын

The fire spread so quickly that was crazy

@Pedroism

Жыл бұрын

Link please

@kikastra

Жыл бұрын

Saw that. That's about as close as it comes to experiencing what dying in a plane crash would be like without actually being in a plane crash. RIP buddy, and all others.

@napoleonbonaparte937

Жыл бұрын

I also saw that horrific video shot by a passenger on that I'll fated plane, they crashed and burnt 🔥🥵 alive. RIP to all the 72 passengers and crew 💐💐💐.

I now fully respect all pilots, they make it look so easy when you fly yet they have to do a lot more to get us home to our loved ones safely. This video was mind boggling the passengers were almost home. May God bless y’all pilots.

@folashade2749

11 ай бұрын

Like my son. I pray for him and is crew everyday I woke up in the morning and the last thing I say before heading to bed.

@mahee96

11 ай бұрын

that is where you get wrong, most of the time pilots are basically passengers due to autopilot, but they are most active during takeoff and landing, so if the crashes are at takeoff and landing in a higher probability then you can understand, the other thing is that this incident is purely human error call it misjudgment or miscommunication or failure to know their own craft (like if you own a motorbike and you don't know how it works to quickly react when you feel something ain't right then please don't ride for the sake of others at least). in this case whatever be the case but the pilot/copilot are responsible for the loss of their passengers who might have been better than them in terms of intelligence but could do nothing since they "trusted" the pilots NOTE: I am not blaming the all the pilots, but just those incompetent people who are subservient to do their duty. if the pilot feels they are having a bad day (sleeplessness, stress, physical issues etc) then don't take the steering wheel better to get some loss of pay or action than risking others life

I am not a pilot but I find the technology and skills fascinating. Isn’t there a gauge that tells pilot the blades are feathered? Was this the warning that was initially shut off. What a tragic unfortunate avoidable loss of life.

@Slaktrax

11 ай бұрын

Yes, the torque gauges.

@2ndhandSue

11 ай бұрын

D.W. - Yes, the "cricket" sound of the warning caused one of them (PM I think) to reach over and shut it off.

@draco2xx

11 ай бұрын

people may think its the pilot's fault but its poor cockpit design by the engineers, those levers shouldn't be that close together

@ForrestwilliamsIII

10 ай бұрын

Yes. Gauges are most useful and practical when reading them ultimately saves lives -like a fuel gauge when gas is low. . .or when a the pilot inadvertently or intentionally engages the prop lever, feathering the propellers at such low altitude. Shouldn't doing so set off a litany of ear-busting alarms in the cockpit? Wouldn't such a gauge be a logical safeguard?

@Slaktrax

10 ай бұрын

@@draco2xx No aircraft cockpits are designed Ergonomically, far from it. A 2000 dollar car has way better ergonomic design, a multimillion dollar aircraft, no! Standard Operating Procedures for the movement of any vital controls usually require the PF flying to tell the PM to put his hand to the relevent control, to which the PF concurs verbally (if it's correct) then it is moved. 🙂

That’s pretty shocking considering there are TWO condition levers and ONE flap lever- How do you forget that? and more importantly not catch it? My heart goes out to the families.

@katprince5528

Жыл бұрын

They're human.

@mamazalama

Жыл бұрын

One must not forget that ego is always at play. Especially when a male is "monitoring" a female. More reluctant to give criticism/advice or even observations!

@draco2xx

11 ай бұрын

well he paid for his mistake in full, that's for sure

@dutchhoke6555

6 ай бұрын

..divided attention can do that. Instructing can alter routine/workload

As soon as I saw the actual footage of this crash that was posted back in January. It immediately reminded me of the footage of TransAsia Airways Flight 235 back in 2015 where they shut down the wrong engine down... My thoughts and sympathies goes out to all who lost there lives in this crash and to all of there family's.

It's just so eerie looking on the footage from the victim seconds before crash, in one moment they looked so happy and chit chat as usual but seconds later everything is covered by flame, i really hope it all happen in instant and they won't feel anything..

She had lack of confidence because she was in the presence of an instructor. And the instructor had a lapse of alerness, which she was depending on.

@craycraywolf6726

11 ай бұрын

It's such a tragedy, the perfect storm.

@kittyk.klandasions7008

Ай бұрын

Yeah i like this realistic theory Sad. But very likely

Anju took a pretty bad rap across social media in the aftermath of the crash. Now it appears that it was the pilot monitoring who threw the wrong levers. To make matters worse, it seems he recognized later that the flaps were still at 15 and slipped them to 30 without saying anything. Too late by that time. So.many.times. we see the more “experienced” pilots become complacent and cause an accident.

@christiansvideos

Жыл бұрын

And if the video is correct sounds like PM increased flaps when the PF was struggling with air speed... Worsening the problem.

@itellyouforfree7238

Жыл бұрын

but still, she was flying and didnt notice the engines were practically off

@pigalleycatemanresu7321

Жыл бұрын

@@christiansvideos increasing flaps increases the stall speed, so that didn't worsen the problem. It would have stalled sooner if he hadn't increased the flaps. He screwed up probably because he was used to sitting in the left seat, and from there the flap levers were those on the far side of the feather levers. I don't understand how it's possible to feather two functioning propellers, there should be some kind of lock, as for thrust reversers on jets.

@dogonit7412

11 ай бұрын

Both were responsible, as this flight was to complete her training to become captain. Neither of them identified multiple problems.

@gusmc01

11 ай бұрын

@@YZ2023-rh5le Yes, he, the pilot monitoring.

There's a video of a passenger recording on this flight and it records the crash. Absolutely mind boggling. RIP to all of those on board.

@ascaliu4430

Жыл бұрын

How to find it?

@LIOUDUVIG

Жыл бұрын

where is it

@speedrace95

Жыл бұрын

Show us

@Georgiaboy43

Жыл бұрын

where is it?

@codyking4848

Жыл бұрын

@@speedrace95 kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpyg1ZqxhLmcY7w.html

Im not even sure "pilot error" is a proper term for such a prolonged egregious lack of skills that led to this unnecessary tragedy. It's truly hard to grasp.

@enzy6434

Жыл бұрын

​​​​​@Karl with a K It's evident that you have no clue what you're talking about and that you're talking out of your @#$. On an ATR 72 you CAN feather both engines simultaneously. You can feather left (first setting), feather right (second setting) or feather both (3rd setting), depending on the lever position. And there is definitely no audible warning of the flaps setting either on ATR 72's. That is completely false. Literally 100% of the stuff you just said is false for that specific aircraft.

@chris22capt

Жыл бұрын

​@@karlwithak.I already suspected you know nothing about ATR when i first read your comment and the last line of yours prove it. There is NO FCC in ATR. It's completely cable running from the cockpit to the control surface. No computers in between. Another, yes, it's possible to feather both propeller at the same time, the eec have nothing to prevent dual feathering. Another one, there is no aural warning to indicate flaps 30. That's a total bs.

@chris22capt

Жыл бұрын

​@@karlwithak.Ah, what you talk about flaps automatically is Flap Load Relief and that's Boeing's system. You even wrong on describing the system. It will retract the flaps automatically when the speed INCREASE, overshoting the flap limit speed, not the other way around. Imagine the speed decrease until near stall and then the flaps start retracting. That's a golden ticket to the Father in heaven.

@chuckinhouston9952

Жыл бұрын

I would attribute the crash to cranial-rectal inversion syndrome on the part of the instructor.

@loriewood425

Жыл бұрын

It is fake

The worse aircraft accident was on November 10th 1970. The plane was carrying the whole team of 75 players, supporters and flight attendants of my home town in Huntington West Virginia, Marshall University. It was foggy and the pilot thought he was headed towards the landing. Instead it clipped into a mass of hillside trees, crashed and burned. There was no survivors.

@tillross4078

11 ай бұрын

A friend of mine his Mom was on that plane ,,

@Zomby_Woof

11 ай бұрын

Not to minimize that accident, but there have been quite a few with higher death tolls.

@patriciajackson6711

11 ай бұрын

I remember hearing about that crash. My condolences to all the surviving loved ones.

@smargo7884

11 ай бұрын

There was a movie made about it.

@leemac1561

11 ай бұрын

@@Zomby_Woof Yeah,but i think the fact they were all mostly from the same University causes this one to hit slightly different. That's a lot of deaths for one University to take in one go..

The video filmed by a passenger onboard, and the story of the pilot is truly heartbreaking. Still cannot believe it. 💔

@sixtybelow573

Жыл бұрын

ARE YOU BLIND ? TOTAL SIMULATION

@EzpadaZS

Жыл бұрын

@@sixtybelow573 The video by the passenger is real.

@lynnyhen

Жыл бұрын

It has to be a simulation. What was the passenger doing in the cockpit?

@sandymartin642

Жыл бұрын

There is another video taken by one of the passengers(not this video) that recorded the crash. Camera caught the fire as well. Its heartbreaking. I could only watch it the 1 time

@EzpadaZS

Жыл бұрын

@@lynnyhen What i mean is that there is a video (an actual video) by a passenger of this flight that filmed (as a facebook livestream) the crash as it happened. It's out there somewhere, i saw it on reddit the day the accident happened.

Something really bad is going on at Yeti Airlines. That was the fourth incident involving that airline in the last seven years and the second in the last six months.

@FamiliarAnomaly

Жыл бұрын

Probably got investment from Blackrock.

@worldcomicsreview354

Жыл бұрын

​@Karl with a K All of that safety equipment has to be working, though. Sounds like this airline has a recent history of incidents, so their maintenance probably isn't up to scratch. There was an "impossible" train crash in the UK because the driver was distracted when it went through a red signal, and the automatic brakes were disabled that day. These things do happen

@Kapiletti

Жыл бұрын

​@@worldcomicsreview354 or maybe someone responsable is lying about what happened.

The final report is important, but preliminarily, a couple of obvious things stand out. In the ATR-72, the flap position and condition levels are near each other, so a pilot (particularly an instructor!) should look at the levers before moving them. The instructor pilot is responsible for teaching the trainee about this before she ever steps on the airplane, and Anju should have been practicing on a simulator (I'm not saying she wasn't, but a simulator is where you look for the danger points and find out what happens if you don't do things right). Also, a turboprop includes trouble-shooting that's a little different than on a turbofan powered aircraft. Sure, you have to be cognizant of engine conditions on both, oil pressure, fuel state, etc., but one of the things that sets the turboprop apart is you have to pay attention to the propellers. When propeller speed and torque dropped, it was the training officer's responsibility to make sure Anju checked the propeller state (and had he looked, he would have found his mistake). It looks like there was sufficient time, between the initial error and the beginning of the stall, to correct the problem. When Anju advanced the throttles and nothing happened, a check on the propellers would have indicated the solution - unfeather the props immediately! The training Captain's responses were unacceptable; again this is preliminary, and the final report is important.

@jamespeck6890

Жыл бұрын

And no one looked at the speed indicators slowing prestall! Wow😮

@brunoais

Жыл бұрын

For me, I think I'd make that mistake too... Until Anju told there was no thrust from the engines. Then for me, it's straightforward. No need to try to figure out when the usual doesn't work. Max power Max propeller condition Go around if appropriate

@MrCrystalcranium

Жыл бұрын

Automation, routine protocol driven lack of awareness. Commercial pilots are so disconnected from their aircraft now. When something happens that requires immediate attention and reactive troubleshooting, pilots used to being an almost redundant part of the plane hesitate and can't take in feedback from what the situation is much less initiate a response in a timely manner. Approaches and landings, where altitude is at critical and unforgiving levels demand an instinctive awareness that it's time to bail and abandon. There was almost catatonia on this flight deck until it was too far gone to save.

@heywoodjablowme8120

Жыл бұрын

Final report just in: WOMEN ARE BAD PILOTS

@sonador777

Жыл бұрын

This reminded me of the Colgan Air Flight 3407, where a couple of totally brain dead aviators, one idiot male pilot, and a female first officer desperate for hours and sleep, created perfect conditions for a stall, and then made all the wrong decisions in the 15 seconds that mattered. I remember this clearly as I was on the flight before it. The Colgan Air flight was the last scheduled flight of the day into Buffalo, and the American Air flight I was on was the second to last. I was the last passenger to get my bag as it was oversized. The baggage claim area was empty after that, and that felt strange. But what was worse is that when I got off the escalator, there were people standing there waiting for passengers. Passenger we would find out would later never would arrive. RIP

How could the monitoring pilot be so careless and overconfident...this is utterly sad that so many innocent lives were taken.. RIP🙏

@draco2xx

11 ай бұрын

well he paid for his mistake in full, that's for sure

@RooEfx

11 ай бұрын

Complacency yw

@fuzzamajumula

11 ай бұрын

Someone mentioned earlier that it may have simply been the reverse configuration of the levers to someone who is used to sitting in the pilot seat. In other words, it is usually the closest lever to the person in the pilot seat. In that second, a huge, consequential, but understandable, mistake was made.

@Zasek2112

11 ай бұрын

Apparently pilot murder-suicide isn't an unknown thing. There have been at least 6 since 2013, not counting Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

The man filming live inside the plane when it crashed is what haunts me. One moment he is smiling, and then you hear what sounds like him taking his final breaths. I wished I had never watched the video.

@mph1ish

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was debating whether to watch it but now I won't.

This is one of the most frustrating aircraft crashes in recent times.

I'm not normally one person to judge but when she called out the engines weren't producing power that should have been a clue for the instructor to check to make sure he didn't do nothing wrong very sad to say the least rest in peace to all the souls on board that flight

@adityanair5613

Жыл бұрын

@karlwithak. Why are you spreading fake info everywhere? Almost none of this is true.

@adityanair5613

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, with no power they should be trained to scan their eyes on a basic no-power checklist, which of course includes making sure props are in the correct setting.

@richardmcgonigle1160

11 ай бұрын

Power loss. Instant checklist to be followed surely....

@giannis_tar

11 ай бұрын

@karlwithak. so you're saying that if the pilots did what the video claims, the auto pilot would have taken over control automatically and fixed the mistake? What do you think actually happened then?

I am 64, and the only plane I have ever flown in my whole life was a short fight in a Cessna when I was 19. I have often thought it would have been an interesting and exciting job to be a commercial pilot. An enormous responsibility though. Instead.. I was a commercial poultry caretaker for 40 years (both feet firmly on the wood shavings)! I enjoy watching these flight simulation's. Extremely well done! In this instance.. shouldn't there be a warning or status light to indicate when the prop blades are in feather position? My sincere condolences to the families who lost loved ones. 💔🙏

@cunicelu

8 ай бұрын

There is an announciation in the Primary Flight DIsplay stating the engine is in feathered mode. They apparently both missed it.

your videos give us rare visual clarity into otherwise complex air accident reports. thanks for educating

@indianfan1029

Ай бұрын

Its good but a little vague. The exact issues and the outcomes havent been explained in detail, like the mention of the engines not providing thrust in the ATC radio call. How did the pilots react to that, didn't they check all the probable causes?

Wow! So the instructor pilot didn't set the flaps when asked to and instead feathered the props. Wow.

@TheMarkoPoloProgram

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a suicide attempt

@dennisyoung4631

Жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder just *how* these people get that way…. To have such confidence…?

@draco2xx

11 ай бұрын

he paid for his mistake in full, that's for sure

@craycraywolf6726

11 ай бұрын

​@@draco2xxUnfortunately 71 other people also had to pay for that mistake as well.

@jasondrummond9451

11 ай бұрын

@@dennisyoung4631 Male Nepali. Lording it over female Nepali. What more needs to be said?

I would like to make an small correction for what I've seen in the video. It's that while landing on runway 12, approach is done by turning little bit to the right when plane is lined up to runway 30 but at higher altitude. Plane continues to fly in the direction until it is ready to make a sharp left hand turn and lineup for runway 12. (In the video the plane is coming from the hilly areas of opposite side.) Since the crash, no plane is allowed to land on runway 12.

Wow. I work for an international organization and I have been traveling around the world for the last 14 years and I still get scared, anxious when flying. I am afraid of flying. When I fly I always think of crashes or other things. Scary.

@angeec.3312

11 ай бұрын

Say a prayer before takeoff.. doesn't hurt.

@indianfan1029

Ай бұрын

I used to fly quite a bit during the pre-pandemic era, and never felt any fear. I hadn't seen all these videos. Now i don't travel, but if at all i will ever have to take a flight again in my life, i will be nervous as hell.

Unreal level of incompetence. If pilots are incapable of noticing the airspeed and response of their engines in a critical low altitude maneuver, no one has a chance of surviving a flight.

I've never flown a big turbo prop but I have flown multi engine planes with variable pitch props and you can definitely feel and hear the difference when the props are adjusted. Hard to believe you can't tell the difference?

@Busdriver321

Жыл бұрын

I flew the ATR 72-212 and 212A and prior to landing the props are advanced to full forward. You can definitely tell the difference in noise level and the added drag also helps you slow down to approach speed.

@joanschauer2606

Жыл бұрын

​@@Busdriver321 ploo

@angeec.3312

11 ай бұрын

@@YZ2023-rh5le Isn't that a good thing, if so? From their feedback, I would think this is educating in itself..

I flew Yeti from Kathmandu to Pokahra. When i arrived a plane i found out a plane taking off behind us crashed. The return was unreal flying through the mountains. Never felt the yaw before. So sad.... Nepal and its people are amazing.

@jimcrawford3185

Жыл бұрын

I think the fact that there s some sort of Yeti Bigfoot involved, this might render a clue

@angeec.3312

11 ай бұрын

@@jimcrawford3185 Don't know why they would call it the Yeti... there is so much folklore involving this elusive creature..

Watching this video was heartbreaking. What a horrible accident. Im very sorry for what happened & send condolences to all the families. R.I.P. to those who lost their lives that day.

Whoever made this video did a good job. You made it look so real.

Life is so important, yet it can cease in an instant. There's too much sadness in the world.

Wow, how sad. Just shows again, no matter how much experience you have, never ever grow complacent. Everybody makes mistakes. Some just has a heck of a lot more consequences than others.

So horrible that it seems avoidable (if feathering was a failure then another failure had to have prevented the flaps extending), I can only imagine what it's like to be the pilot under instruction flying towards total catastrophe second-guessing herself when she appears to have done everything right 😥

@fuzzamajumula

11 ай бұрын

From what I understand of this theory, the flaps did extend to 30 degrees, shortly before the crash. The problem was that the second time the flaps were supposed to be adjusted (from 15 degrees to 30), someone moved the condition levers instead (causing the feathering and loss of torque). Neither pilot noticed the feathering but, at some point upon descent, the flaps were again manually adjusted to 30 degrees (perhaps thinking they were adjusting to 45 degrees). So this theory implies that, apparently, there was no human or mechanical failure of flap adjustment. However, this was pilot error. Of course I could be completely wrong about my interpretation. I'm not a pilot and have no idea how to fly a plane.

Thank yiu for the video..was waiting for it for months ❤

The part that infuriates me the most is that AFTER the PM pulled BOTH prop levers back to FEATHER, he then extends the flaps down to 30° as if nothing was wrong. WHAT KIND OF TRAINING DID THESE PILOTS GET????? WTF?

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

He was probably suffering from task saturation or channelized attention and finally noticed the flaps were not set properly, so he corrected the error. When you're that saturated you're unlikely to recall which other task distracted you from proper setting of the flaps in the first place. I doubt pulling the feather levers instead of the flap lever was covered in their training.

@lukethomas.125

Жыл бұрын

@@gort8203 That's a very plausible theory, but we cannot prove it until we get the final report

@Paul-T

Жыл бұрын

So is the position of the Prop levers not part of the pre-landing checklist? If not, it sounds like it perhaps ought to be.

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

@@lukethomas.125 Of course there is no proof. My point is that training does not cover every possible error a person could make. There is no way to train against an error that hasn't yet been conceived of. I'm sure operators of the ATR will now caution their pilots against confusing the prop lever with the flap lever, but they can't train against the next inconceivable mistake such as a pilot pulling a manual depress lever instead of the gear lever.

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

The checklist is irrelevant here. There were not referring to a checklist during these critical moments of the flight. Prop lever could be on the checklist and have already been verified and it wouldn't stop them from later being unintentionally pulled to the wrong position.

I don't normally like these simulated videos but this one is so well done

Is there a reason why it is possible to feather the propellers even when the engines aren't at idle?

@dutchhoke6555

6 ай бұрын

Good question. How us that even possible, or necessary ?

OMG...neither pilot notices that both engines are FEATHERED! !???? With no other "emergencies" going on its hard to believe that experienced pilots can FATALLY screw up so badly......

@dutchhoke6555

6 ай бұрын

..60 seconds, practically no altitude is very small recovery window. Why not "go around" at 1st mention of no power ? Maybe she was attempting to when applied full power.

@user-dq2se8vr9c

Ай бұрын

877​@@dutchhoke6555

The plane crashed in ravine, not on top of buildings as shown in the video.

@margeebechyne8642

Жыл бұрын

Ah, I wondered if anyone was injured or killed on the ground.

It seems that a courageous and determined trainee captain was let down by a complacent instructor who (a) if so qualified should never have made such a mistake, and (b) if so qualified should have realised that mistake almost immediately, especially when questioned on it by the PF. I await the outcome of the final report but presently it seems that complacency and misplaced self-confidence on the part of a senior officer doomed passengers and crew. My condolences to the families affected.

@chuckinhouston9952

Жыл бұрын

Very well stated

@donaldmickunas8552

Жыл бұрын

I would agree. What happened to check and double check? Don’t landings and takeoffs require constant vigilance? It doesn’t seem so here. 😢

Thank you for the wonderful video. Hopefully pilots will be able to learn and avoid similar errors. Emotionally, this brought a pit in my stomach and literally tears to my eyes. - Retired MD-11 PIC

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

Not too long ago there is a video of a Taiwanese pilot who lost an engine on take off and then idled the good engine by mistake. There were casualties. Not someone good at handling stress.

The quality of your video/graphics and presentation is amazing. Thank you for sharing this to us.

This one was sad to watch. I kept screaming in my own head "Cross check and verify Damnit". Rest in peace to those souls aboard.

Why the aircraft doesn't have some sort of warning light & tone for "propeller feathered" is beyond me, but would have saved them. She knew that the engines weren't producing thrust, but couldn't figure out why.

@mooshdaddy123

Жыл бұрын

It does, the aircraft was giving them a master warning/caution light that the video said was extinguished 2 times while they were in the turn to final. They ignored the warnings

@grmpEqweer

Жыл бұрын

​@@mooshdaddy123 true. My wild guess is someone silenced the warning out of reflex. 😪

@MrYfrank14

Жыл бұрын

The plane tried to warn them with a master caution. Guess they thought it was the " low toilet paper in the restroom" alarm.

Saw the one young man video at the end and it was so tragic to see. At least this explains what happened. Thank you as always

Their poor child must have been so nervous about mom flying after dad died in a crash...nightmare all around. God rest all souls involved.

😢 I am so bummed out now. I want to try and save them, and I can't.

The mistake was probably caused as the pilot sitting in the right seat was normally sitting in the left seat as they were an instructor captain training a new captain. The throttle is closest to the left seat than the flap lever is so perhaps the Pilot in the right seat reached over further to put down the flaps as if they were in the left seat like he or she usually was and ultimately put the throttles into the feather mode

@skullsaintdead

Жыл бұрын

That's a brilliant observation. I recon you're spot on.

@minoozolala

Жыл бұрын

@@skullsaintdead *reckon

@skullsaintdead

Жыл бұрын

@@minoozolala *Aussie (and people really do dislike a nitpicker, esp. when it's spelling, it's just cringe mate).

@minoozolala

Жыл бұрын

@@skullsaintdead Couldn't understand wtf you were trying to say, man.

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

@Karl with a K So HAL 9000 can wrestle the controls away from the human pilot and land the airplane? Wow, I never knew the ATR-72 was so 'advanced'.

Good reporting. I hope this serves as a wakeup call to pilots everywhere, not just ATR 72 pilots. Attention to detail will save lives .

i just love your videos i watch them all..... well not the gaming ones in the beginning I i watch them from the first one to the last one and then i start the same sequence again i love how your changes in how you make them progress the music the title sequence everything ..i think you do a really good job thank you !! im the the flight channels biggest fan !!! of all my subs yours is the one thats first because i watch it the most

Murphy always shows up at the worst possible times. Gotta be prepared. Complacency kills.

@javiergilvidal1558

Жыл бұрын

Especiall, women where the do not belong!

The live stream of the man inside the plane and then everyone started screaming as it banked 100+ degrees then all of a sudden, "BOOM" Rest In Peace to all these pour souls 😢🙏❤

Human error is the one thing that you cannot eliminate, by training or otherwise, from any flight. Familiarity breeds contempt, and the failure to verify flaps down or take action as the loss of power became acute are symptoms of an assumption that everything was actually alright, when it wasn't. This crew was not in control of their aircraft and failed to communicate effectively with each other when things started to go wrong. A terrible accident that could have been avoided with better cockpit discipline.

Perhaps Anju's child should follow a land-based career path.

something doesnt make sense. this was the position of the levers prior to the accident: 11:44 now at 8:43 you state that flaps were properly extended from 15 to 30 in the second attempt when the pilots noticed the plane wasnt behaving like it should. this means that at 11:45 someone brought the flaps to 30. did they do it from muscle memory? cause if they had looked down they would have seen the condition lever set to FTR. Also, what I dont like is how the ATR gives no audible warning that the props have been feathered. Apparently, it happens in silence. This was also a manufacturer error, not just the Instructor's.

The pilot being monitored seemed to know something was wrong well before the crash, but the instructor pilot seemed to dismiss concerns. Did he turn off the master caution alarms? That's what I took from this video

Tearful this was . RIP 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Very sad. Seeing that flight attendant take that video of herself and knowing it would be the last photo of her young life really stays with you. R.I.P

@kittyk.klandasions7008

Ай бұрын

Yeah..? How long did it really stay with you tho? Before you forgot about it? Til the end if the next video.. lets be realistic

Even as a passenger it is easy to tell when flap settings are increased because there's a perceptible reduction in aircraft speed (and in the passenger cabin, noise). How does a pilot not notice that engine torque (and thus thrust) has gone to zero? Despite the proximity of the controls, is the motion required to extend the flaps by ten degrees really similar to that needed to fully feather both engines?

@BoomVang

Жыл бұрын

Engines still made torque and noise; they kept advancing the throttle. A little hard to hear and distinguish up front in tense moments. Also there are often alarms buzzing for non urgent situations so they may supress.

@VivaanArora-bh7pn

Жыл бұрын

@@BoomVang still is there a system on the airplane to show the torque readings, and feathered condition. Thru reading they could have just brought the feathered props to the original position???

@dutchhoke6555

6 ай бұрын

..another video shows differences between them- flaps is a single large WHITE sliding handle ; feather control is 2 black knobs you have to lift up from underneath before they will slide. Like, nearly impossible to feather unintentionally unless completely distracted or multi tasking

@clementosumo7746

5 ай бұрын

Wondering same. Once you figure out there's zero torque from engines, first though would be "damn, are the engines feathered?". Then next step would be to look at the feather lever and think "yes, this lever is in feather position I need to undo". Extremely straight forward. I suspect the Captain was suicidal and did all these intentionally, no other way can explain this @@VivaanArora-bh7pn

Great job again, TFC!! Amazing job in fact.

Oh man, how tragic 😥 72 people, that's no small number. This simulation with the background informations was well done, as always. Thanks.

@craycraywolf6726

11 ай бұрын

Just ONE is too many, 72 is unimaginable 😔

Thank you for covering this!

To The Flight Channel- I love love love your channel!🌹🌹🌹 Thank you for all the hard work you do bringing us all this information from top to bottom. Some very sad and scary to sometimes happy endings. Thank you for always remembering the lost. Rip to all who lost their lives and dreams. The Flight Channel keeps me grounded. I will take my chances on the ground. The Flight Channel is the best ever! Thank you ❤

@FinalFlash-xn4we

Жыл бұрын

Brown nose

@ethelmertz1477

Жыл бұрын

@@FinalFlash-xn4we What purpose does it serve to call me a brown nose when all I did was compliment a great channel that you obviously watch too? Is it because nobody has given you a great compliment in your lifetime? Brown nosing is done to get something you want and I’m not wanting anything but mean people like you to disappear. They are a great channel and you must agree or you wouldn’t watch them. If I were to say you are the greatest person on earth would you call me a brown nose then? Jealous much? The fact is they are a great channel and I do love their work. I’ve been subscribed to them for many years. As for you I think you need a great compliment like that so you would feel better. Only sad and cruel people would make such a remark. I hope someone will give you a great compliment so you can turn around and call them a brown nose. Obviously it makes you feel good about yourself. Sadly

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

@@ethelmertz1477 To survive and move forward requires a thick skin. Sadly, no one is immune.

@ethelmertz1477

Жыл бұрын

@@deepthinker999 Edward this has nothing g to do with the flight channel so just relax and have a good day

@FinalFlash-xn4we

Жыл бұрын

@@ethelmertz1477 with a first name like “Ethel”Jesus Christ… what is this “Little House on the Prairie” ?

I shall always remember the sheer terror that ran through me while flying from Pittsburgh, PA to Cincinnati. Upon approach, the pilot throttled the engines down so abruptly that I though we'd fall from the sky. Seriously, it felt as if we were floating in air. How was it that neither pilot felt the loss of thrust? It makes no sense to me that they were completely oblivious to what was happening.

@olaflieser3812

Жыл бұрын

Without context one cannot know. The way you describe it it was likely very different from the case in the video - and likely intentional. If you were high enough above ground plus flying above the desired glide path it could've been an intential maneuver to get rid of some energy / altiude in a short time to get back down onto the glide path. Sometimes airliners get short cuts to the airport with less track miles than the official approach path. Then you can accept but as a pilot you must be sure to get rid of the altitude in a shorter time. However at 1000 feet above ground the approach must be stable; any maneuver like that below 1000 ft AGL would normally mean "approach not stable" == mandatory go-around. Whatever the actual situation of your flight was, we cannot know like that.

@skyking0475

Жыл бұрын

if you were flying on a Turboprop that sudden deceleration was likely the Condition levers being advanced forward or high rpm . Just the opposite of feathering or low RPM which is the sound you hear at parking or shutdown when we move them to Feather/ cutoff.

@diambo4life

Жыл бұрын

Pilot flying did and mentioned it twice...considering this was her flight test, she may have been timid to challenge her tester that everything was ok.

@olaflieser3812

Жыл бұрын

@@diambo4life yes, and the pilot monitoring (the check pilot) was a total failure in many ways obviously. But the video narrator only mentioned master caution warnings that the pilots dealt with, (it seems the "continue landing" question, asked twice, referred to that). No "low speed" or "low altitude" issues were ever mentioned nor noticed, so the pilot flying might not have been aware either.

@lcaceci43

Жыл бұрын

Because pilots are sometimes stupid and full of themselves

Finally you cover this accident! I've been waiting for a while!!!! It was so unsettling watching the video the passengers took i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy!😢

Man I have all kinds of Tv, both streaming of course and broadcast. You eat their shorts! I tell you unequivocally that this kept me fascinated and completely riveted. This was very very very well done!

I believe that flying an airplane is no different than operating other equipment in terms of "feeling or sensing an unusual change". When you change from thrust to no thrust you feel a change in the aircraft. When you add power, but yet feel nothing there's a problem. I've been on passenger planes where a change in power feels as if the plane if coming to a stop. You have to have instincts.

@abathens

Жыл бұрын

Yes, when it slows down for the first time it feels like it's hovering.

This makes me angry, for a second not paying attention - such devastation. Great videos, so well made ! Tom, Brussels.

Heartbreaking to say the least...so, so sad! May the Lord comfort all the families and friends of those died.

Thank you for covering this

Wow, if this is confirmed by the final report, I would be really shocked. Such a mistake by the PM. Feel sorry for all the souls lost and their families..

Sad..feel bad for everyone, including her child.

The report was tragic, but it was very cool to see what was actually happening when the props feather. Never seen that before.

I emailed you about this incident immediately after the crash. Thank you for uploading this video. Eagerly waiting for the final report of the crash.

the condition levers are much bigger and have longer detent range… and there are 2 condition levers… on the other hand, flaps lever is smaller and it is only single lever… that PM must have been very badly distracted if he pulled the wrong lever

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

Very badly indeed. I would like to know if the CVR indicates they were rushed and behind the airplane, or otherwise having trouble with the flight path or speed control for this approach. Perhaps the instructor was too focused on correcting errors by the PF and let aircraft state drop from his awareness.

The view they had in their last moment of the ground as the plain is twisting is horrifying..

One of the more tragic ones. Well done.

Just WOW. From the moment they mentioned her story and her husband and kids, I was literally in a trance watching this one. Kinda like the Alaska Airlines and the El Al High Rise. This is just so sad and terrible. Not one parent-but 2! This one's gonna stay with me for a long time. For real, how did the BOTH propellers feather?? Did you guys see the difference between the flap handle and the two feather handles? Can't wait for the update. I really hope a go fund me is set up for those kids. 😥

They both should have known. This is inexcusable and tragic… wtf you literally mention 3 times, yet don’t look and check… wtf

@knowsmebyname

Жыл бұрын

It is odd that from the video, neither pilot looked at why the engines were not producing thrust.

Thank for the professional update. My heart go out to all.

Engine failure on a Turbo prop is frightening I've been on 1flt before considering i flew as Cabin crew for 36years i know what the Cockpit crew were feeling when going Down May they ALL Rest in peace,,

Flew ATR about 15 years ago. My memory isn't all that clear, but I thought the system logic won't let you feather props unless the throttle lever is pulled to idle? And it's a little surprise that there were no caution warnings for the abnormalities or misconfiguration.

@gort8203

Жыл бұрын

The throttles probably were in idle because they came in fast and were trying to slow. Assuming the throttles were in idle when both props were feathered, would a pilot not notice a change in sound or vibration?

@Demoralized88

7 ай бұрын

I THINK I remember that the early ATRs didn't have feathering lockout (based on the Air Asia or whatever and similar) but the 600s definitely did. Either way, the only way the engines could be at 0% torque is at idle while descending; torque can't be at 0% at any RPM with the Props feathered as that's a huge load regardless of airspeed. Given the source country and shitty research of this channel, the preliminary report is either wrong or misrepresented here. There would be a huge sound difference as the props moved to 90 degrees, with turbulent air buffeting the plane and it would be impossible to not immediately hear it. Above idle and feathered it must've been loud as hell and pretty violent. A warning for this is completely superfluous as the change would be immediately obvious, reversible, and is only possible with an insane degree of neglect for literally every routine SOP INCLUDING blindly moving a completely different lever(s), not verifying desired position (let alone correct lever) and not calling out the flap change status, not monitoring any instrument that's literally the sole duty at the moment, acknowledging and dismissing the immediate alarm, etc. It's so crazy to think about a 'professional' pilot doing everything that badly without being intentional that I almost can't even comprehend it. Everything they did was a disaster and I hope we get a report with the CVR/FDR to answer some questions.