Wow this is such a powerful panel with amazing books and creative minds! I appreciate this! Thanks

Was the zoom broken on the camera or something?

The discussion about representation is so interesting to me because I feel it is such a huge concern in north america (canada and USA). When in western europe (I don't know about the UK) we don't really pay attention to that (we do more now because of netflix). I simply wonder why

SO excited to see Mira Grant here

I didn't know McPoyle was a writer!?

And then he ruined the diversity convo by ignoring it, this sounds eerily familiar... im suspicious, but I agree w/ the sentiment... it shouldnt matter, but it ignores millions of years of human evolution that conttibutes to tribalism, but I still appreciate the sentiment

scott sigler shows my philosophy on diversity, in that you basically let the readers own subconscious decide, there are a number of books that dont mention the looks of the main character at all and sometimes even their gender, i think anytime you explicitly pull attention to identity politics you will put off a portion of readers such as myself, but also devalue the whole point of including diversity.

So much cringe at 40:00 from all these authors except Jon Skavron and Cindy Pon. Also interesting that the white, Mormon author had nothing to say on diversity.

This really for of goes off the rails at around 40:00. So Gini Koch's aliens don't understand racial and sexual prejudice, but are capable of interstellar travel? This seems like a bad cliche and that it's most likely handled poorly in the narrative. The interracial couple thing might have been relevant in the 70s and 80s, but it just seems tired now. "You look American, you look Australian"? What? From a world building perspective alone these problems turn me off to her work. The diversity complaint seems, as always, rather shallow here. Especially from a panel of all white people and one Asian. I don't know the work that McGuire references, but apparently she makes a lot of negative racial assumptions and seems to have a problem with how human beings of all races actually behave. The underlying lack of faith in humanity that these authors demonstrate is so prevalent that it only solidifies the prejudices they claim to oppose. Listen to everyone who must identify with characters of a particular race, gender, or sexual orientation and marvel at the imagination stifling and insults to intelligence that must occur.

@YelloDuzzit

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Reid but how does the lack of faith solidify prejudices??

@FantasyPNTM

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like you’ve said a lot, without saying anything at all. Your argument makes little to no sense, no matter how much you try to gussy it up with big words. So your problem is that white people are trying to interpret/unpack/comprehend what diversity entails? And because they don’t have faith (I’m guessing you’re talking of religious faith, to which I roll my eyes) it’s disingenuous? Color me confused.

If I have to conform to ideas and concepts about sexuality that a very small handful of people expect to find in my books and if I have to write with a post gender mindset and prove that I'm also feminine, please shoot me.

@OccupyConcord

6 жыл бұрын

Gregory Martin you do not ..there a alternative market that like ..traditional shit

@FantasyPNTM

5 жыл бұрын

I think you’re highly exaggerating what’s being asked of you. The only thing that’s important is to show a truthful representation of people, who are both interesting and different from one another. Whether this means racially, sexually, or merely in terms of personality doesn’t matter. No one is saying that you have to write a book about an agendered pansexual latinx woman with a stutter and a wheelchair. They just want you to explore new ideas and push yourself to look at new experiences instead of the same story that’s been told over and over again.

@Dragasen

2 жыл бұрын

If you have a problem writing books about people that actually exist, you probably aren't ready for the arts

A lot of interesting stuff, but I can't stand diversity that feel forced. Tolkien had orcs, elves, humans, dwarves and hobbits. That's pretty diverse from my point of view. Cindy Pon writes about China in her novels, but complains about novels with mostly white and straight people. Let authors write about whatever they want to write about. If I was an author myself, I would probably write a fantasy book with only white and straight humans (but with a diverse cast of non-humans) just to rub it in the SJWs face.

@noahdwyer6787

Жыл бұрын

Yes Tolkien’s book of entirely middle aged white men was totally representative of what a world looks like. Diversity isn’t inclusion of magical creatures, dumbass.

Having watched this panel a few tiems over the years, I always felt it was a little combative between MCGuire and other authors.