World's First | Tailstock Gearbox Machining | Lion Lathe Restoration
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Let's build the world's first Aftermarket 2-Speed Tailstock Gearbox. We are crazy and we know it. Enjoy watching 500gb of footage crammed into 32 min of solid action!
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The machining brings back memories I was a Tool & Die Maker for 35 years. Always great to see inventors at work. Keep up the good work.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Thank you very much
Nice job! I have a suggestion which I learned myself. Really simple stuff can be made without mistakes going along. If it get's a little more complicated, as your gearbox certainly is, it really pays to make a plan in CAD or an reasonable accurate sketch by hand before start. I know it's an extra effort, but it pays of when you make stuff. Ideally you only have to handle/machine a part once and when assembled you're done. Off course tweaking is always a part of the process but adding length to already cut plates doesn't have to happen when you work like this. I'm a designer/builder for 28 years now and I learned the hard way. Get an idea, make a drawing and select all the materials you need when doing so. Make simple drawings to print (or draw) for the parts to be made. Make the parts, assemble and be happy. Hallelujah! Thank you for sharing your honest journey! Best! Job, the Netherlands
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I know it to be true. I just didn’t know how to use cad at the time. Learning the program was on my goal list for this year and I started this project last year in October. I’m already knee-deep and using fusion 360 as we speak.
Striving to make a project the best you can is how we all learn and improve. This'll be something to be proud of.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
100% agreed
Very nice work Kyle. The design, weldments, fit and finish. Outstanding work.👍👍💯 Thanks for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Glad you liked it Ed.
This is so cool. I love the idea of retrofitting. Nice work, but I wouldn't expect anything else!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks Greg
Ok,you just upped your badassery eleventeen percent! please paint this a off the wall color!! we need a double thumbs up button!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
lol no crazy color just white but it will not disappoint I promise
@19672701
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair White is cool,saw a Monarch over the top resto painted white. good choice
Great project; we don't see this level of work very often. We shared this video on our homemade tool forum last week 😎
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
23 күн бұрын
Thanks
I have enjoyed your rebuild, looking forward to more.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
More to come! Lots more
Fantastic build, enjoyed the process. 🐞
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Wow what a great video, some amazing machining. I love that you show your "errors"
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
wow wow wow...great footage, love the down the spindle bore shot on the Kearny Trecker at 14.44......
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s a great shot
That's looking Awesome Great job
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
good job 👏🏻 excited to see post two
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely
Great job! I have a stock lathe with 2 speed tailstock - Huichon 5. Two speed is very useful when you have to drill large diameter.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Good that’s my hope in adding this one
Great video! Subscribed! Waiting on part 2.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Thanks for the sub! Part two Saturday
Looks good you don’t mind putting the extra work in to get it right 👍👍👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Agreed
My Ikegai A-20 came with a 2 speed tail stock, comes in handy for drilling big holes!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
6 күн бұрын
I bet
Outstanding work....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Many thanks!
adam booth, take notes on content creation for projects! this is awesome stuff! I enjoy every one of these videos!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Appreciate that man. Thanks
If there is such a thing as re-incarnation I want to come back as a machine shop. Thank you sir for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely
Nice work on an interesting project. You have a knack for editing your video. Good story telling.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
That is a great improvement to the tailstock.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Indeed
Nice job! That's a factory feature on most Kingston Lathes. They give you selectable 1:1 or 5:1 ratios. Very handy feature to have! I use it quite often.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes indeed. Lots of nicer lathes have them
@elanjacobs1
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair even the Taiwanese stuff is come with it these days
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@elanjacobs1 true
@eachday5705
9 күн бұрын
Fun fact: The North Korean lathe "Kusson 3" also has two speeds in the tailstock: 1:1 and 1:5.)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
9 күн бұрын
@@eachday5705 very nice
That finishing pass with the fly cutter 🙌
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah
@allenbrown7820
29 күн бұрын
Smooth!
19:20 .. That looks REALLY good so far!!!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
23 күн бұрын
Thank you
Nice work, you are a braver man than me designing something like that on the fly. Looks like it is working for you though. I like your filming style, saves me skipping ahead while people take measurements and tell me how many extra thou's they are going to take off.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely thanks
That's a good lesson to be learned always make some kind of blueprint 😊😊
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes indeed!
Love it! Need one for my G0602 ;)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
I own an old herbert no.2d turret lathe, it was a tail stock auto feed with 3 rates of feed ran off of the saddle feed, not much variety but you dont really need 50 different speeds for drilling. An old lathe but a beast
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Wow that’s cool
Impressive!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Hahaha “it’s about to get really boring in here at the boring” but really…this is an awesome rebuild. What a cool idea.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
12:50 That rubber work mat in this shot, is fairly expensive! .. I made an apartment in my house with a closet turned into a tiny toilet and shower! :) ... I used this rubber mat stuff for flooring! ... VERY slip resistant and with the 1/2" X 2" Plastic baseboard, and generous use of silicone sealer?? It made the little washroom floor 100% water tight!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
23 күн бұрын
Very nice
Olá amigo que maravilha de trabalho!!! Acompanhando, abraço e boa sorte sempre!!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
26 күн бұрын
Thank you
Curtis at Cutting Edge Engineering Australia needs one of these
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
16 күн бұрын
Yeah
Finally someone who is actually roughing with their lathe and not babying it. Healthy feed, speed, depth of cut. What depth of cut did you take? 4mm? 5mm?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Exactly .250
Worlds first is a little stretch here. My Lathe at work has a selector for direct drive or a 1:5 reduction on the tailstock. That machine is from 1998 !
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
2 speed tailstock are extremely common. What I have never seen before is someone adding a legit one to an existing unit. That is the first. If you have proof of someone else doing this send the evidence my way!
Good stuff. That bandsaw was frigging flying though. I’d change the speed on it and it should be able to get through 4130 no issues. I cut alot of inconel with surface speed of about 60 feet per minute.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah probably
Thanks for using a soft hammer this time!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
lol. This video was filmed on October. I got them you’ll see me use them sometimes. Sometimes you won’t. Such is life
Holy Smokes 19:19........that is Art my Friend.........very tasteful and beautiful..... I don't know much about art, but it would look great with my carpet, drapes and furniture........ Seriously, do you have a background in art, because the video you shoot and capture and this or of attention to design and detail sure makes it look that way......Best Wishes from Florida, Paulie
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
No I don’t just ocd. Never picked up a camera before KZread. All self taught on pretty much every skill I got. Took a few college classes in welding and automotive but other than that I am 95% self taught.
Several older lathes had two speed tailstocks. Axelson and monarch too I think had that option. But not on small lathes.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
Very cool good to know
Pretty.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
I've never seen a Power Feed tilstock .. it would be handy for drilling!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
23 күн бұрын
Indeed it will be
Would like some more info maybe a video on your HBM. Never seen a Mikwaukee HBM.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
I’ll get to it. no Milwaukee hbm your seeing a 4H but I have a Lucas hbm
Wow! You are knocking this one out of the park. Was that a Suburban Tools fly cutter you were using?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes it was!
@hilltopmachineworks2131
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Sweet. I have been eyeing one. Worth the money?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@hilltopmachineworks2131 yeah it is. Honestly you can also make a good one it’s nothing special from an engineering point of view but it is the nicest premade one there is. I have all the different bar sizes. Rigidity is the key to success though. I use it on the bp mostly with the shorter bar. It works well but is less effective as you go bigger on diameter just w vibration. On the k&t it’s like cheating, so ridged, basically perfect finish every time insert is not damaged.
That is no normal roughing end mill. That is a wave-cut/crest-cut end mill. Somewhat rare these days, but really good. Nice to see one!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely thanks for letting me know got it cheap looked cool
@romanvarcolac2238
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepairTheir sinusoidal flute profile helps reduce cutting force but in theory should still leave a smooth finish. Weldon marketed/markets these as great for titanium and exotic alloys. Should also reduce chance for chatter considerably.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@romanvarcolac2238 great to know yeah I think it was Weldon or another w brand
Please tell me your welding jig was an old, no longer used mill table. A thin layer of MIG nozzle gel will save or minimize cleaning up any welding oopsies on the mill table. Nice looking fab job...
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
24 күн бұрын
Yes it’s an old boring mill table
@georgedennison3338
24 күн бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Whew!! Had me stressin' for a minute, there... LOL
Hell yeh Are you going to get as in depth with that Lucas HBM you mentioned in that update vidya as you are with the Lion? Because this series has been amazing
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
No lol. I wish. Maybe… but probably not this project is 2 years long maybe 2.5. I can’t have my hbm down for 3-4 years I need it to start paying for itself but you know me even cleaning it up will get some upgrades and fixes done just have to set a deadline so I can actually get it running in a reasonable time.
@procyonia3654
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair alright that is pretty fair
Excellent Beautiful
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@patrickmazzone9066
28 күн бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Great cool good things
@patrickmazzone9066
28 күн бұрын
Awesome
31:31 is that a Suburban Tool fly cutter you are using ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes it is o highly recommend
I’ve been considering doing the same to my koping
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
It’s a bunch of work but I am sure will be well worth it
Many lathes come with gearboxed tailstocks its nothing new or groundbreaking ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
Your right. What is ground breaking is adding one to a tailstock that doesn’t have one. How many people you seen do that?
I enjoyed the video and the machining, but even after watching the beginning several times, I still missed the reason why you want a 2 speed gearbox. Is it that sometimes it does not go the full distance fast enough, or you want to be able to go in slower sometimes for delicate drilling? Maybe it is me and just missing the explanation. Hopefully someone can enlighten me so the reason matches the fun video of machining. :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
It just adds more capabilities. On most nicer machines they have two speed tailstocks especially on bigger machines. Fast speed helps bring quill in and out quick where as low speed reduces input torque required on handle for big drills
@ 25:50, don't we all wish we could mill like that with a manual mill?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah lol
22:22 Darn Engineers are always making design changes after you already made the part..... Great Modification........D.E.S.S.A, [Darn Engineers Society Seal of Approval]
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much
16:45 that looks like a Skicut end mill, Putnam maybe ????
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Maybe bought it cheap on eBay
bravoo
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Use coolant or oil on those big drills. You'll cook them in no time otherwise.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
26 күн бұрын
Yes I am aware
We have a lathe that has a built in box like this. I can push a 2” twist drill like nothing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
Awesome looking forward to it
My tailstock got 10 speed Allison automatic transmission... :D :D
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
Very nice. That a good one
Why not Vee the plate before assembly/welding?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
You can do both. V after helps cut into old welds to ensure through penetration. I do both
What is the purpose of such a tailstock gearing?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
High range for speed low for torque
0:18 is that massive straight edge or are you happy to see me?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
18 күн бұрын
Both
Im all for it but is it really necessary?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Is excellence ever necessary.
nice. nothing new about a two speed tailstock, in my 33 years as a Tool and Die Maker, I've used two engine lathes that had this feature.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
Your right. What is new is adding it to a pre existing single speed unit
@yelims20
27 күн бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair the last one was a sharp brand and you had to get it just right to work properly. I like yours more... :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
@@yelims20 thanks
I always buy new but if you had restored a piece of machinery/equipment I would change and not hesitate to buy used from you. Ray Stormont
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Really appreciate it ray it would be so expensive lol
Are you no longer using any thrust bearing for the screw to case, as was originally designed? You do not want to have axial load on plain bearings…which is what it looks like you are using. Maybe you just haven’t showed us the full plan yet.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah both bearings thrust and radial
good job 👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
Our old lathe in the firm has a speedbox in it, so its not the world first xD
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
A two speed tailstock is not worlds first adding one to none existing one is.
All the lathes that I run have a 2 speed gear box from the factory
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Excellent. Many lathes have two speed gear boxes. the newer lions come with them as well so I really wanted to add one to mine to bring into the newer style.
@user-xo5vw9gk3x
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair yeah it’s a handy feature to have when you need it…… but nice build looks good 👍🏻
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@user-xo5vw9gk3x thanks
WHY DO THEY APPLY BLUE INK OF THE SURFACE
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
26 күн бұрын
Help see scratch pass easier
Ok
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
👍
Isn't every video a dramatic recreation of past events?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes
You very rarely use and lube or coolant - WHY
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
My lathes are not set up for coolant. This new lathe will be. I got brand new oil set up and k&t but it’s such a mess. Mostly it makes a mess and it’s makes it hard to see on video.
I like that you're building something useful and interesting, but I don't think this is worlds first :) There are engine lathes that ship with 2 or 3 speed tailstock gearbox, primarily to help with drilling operations.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Worlds First implementation from single speed. Many lathes have two speed. Never seen anyone add one.
You don’t wear rings in a machine shop! Even a novice knows this !
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
25 күн бұрын
Safety police!
Too crappy to be usefully
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
25 күн бұрын
Your absolutely right