World's First | Machining Gearbox From Scratch | Lion Lathe Restoration
Тәжірибелік нұсқаулар және стиль
In today's video we finish our several month long project of building a two speed gearbox from scratch. This is a World's First Moment - NOT a two speed tailstock BUT adding it to a pre-existing single speed tailstock. Lots of machined parts in this video. Enjoy!
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This is a really cool project. One thing to point out (which may not be a problem) is locating the plate with only bolts. It should have at least 2 locating pins.
@erok268
Ай бұрын
True that homie id add do yourself a favor and buy some nice hardened threaded pins so you can use a slide hammer for easy removal. I.e. also put pins into the lathe and gearbox cover.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Check my response in other comments on pins
The biggest attribute of your channel is your honesty to admit cop ups. This honesty must come from amazing parents. Thank you.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
I appreciate that
Great project. My $.02 for what its worth. In the future 2 dowel pins in the cover and maybe 4 threaded 1/4-20 holes for jack bolts to get the cover off. Will definitely make your life much easier keeping and maintaining alignment. 👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
👍
@Agnemons
Ай бұрын
I agree 100%. For a gear box dowel pins are a must. You can not rely on threaded components for alignment. There is far to much variability. Worst case scenario you can have gears walking out of mesh or binding.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@Agnemons 👍
@jamesdavis8021
Ай бұрын
I agree
Thanks for the video and,for not insulting our intelligence by,constantly explaining basic machining practices,like some of the KZreadrs do.Short explanation of what you are trying to achieve. I like that.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely
Man you killed it. Awesome job. Now the gearbox is worth more than the lathe itself. 😀
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes indeed
Appreciate your project, skills and honesty. The only people who don't make mistakes are those that do nothing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Exactly
Man, hell of a project. Awesome work.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
Great option for your lathe. Thank you for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
You bet
Quite a project. Excellent work.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Many thanks!
What a pro !! And an overkill
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Underrated channel!! Do you have a video discussing your background and your company?
@bobweiram6321
Ай бұрын
It's actually an X-rated channel. Lot's of shaft work.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Lots of shaft work indeed
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Not yet I’ll make one at some point.
Wow, this has been fun to watch you finish up on this project. Great work, nice design. Thanks for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely
Great perseverance! Love the concept, looks great, too
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Fantastic work
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Great job.🏁🏁
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Outstanding work 👏
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Awesome! There is something to be said about the sense of pride and satisfaction on making something that looks great and works as expected. A nice big pat on the back to you!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Well said!
Ok, you’re officially my hero 🙌
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Lol
Great job some thought and good workmanship gone into this👍👍👍👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
Very nice job young man. Way to hang in there and work all the way through. 👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Really appreciate it
Lovely series
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Very nicely done project.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
Well done sir. Your great grand children will be using this. Thank you for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
I hope so!
Saturday 👍! Been waiting. Great video. Be Safe!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks! You too!
That is next level cool!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
Very great job !
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
What a great video as always, really like that you do stuff just to challenge your self. Doubly great that you take the time to explain what challenges you ran into. Thanks again for such a great video.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Absolutely thanks for watching.
Really impressive 👏
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
One point I'd mention on the shifting is that the dogs not being perfectly done mean that really only 1 (or 2) dogs are transferring the load as they are a few thou closer than others. So might defeat the purpose of having extra dogs for strength. However, perhaps it would wear in over time to be equal if the difference is small? Should have started with this, but I am really impressed! You did an amazing high quality job and love the badge idea. Nicely done man, what a daunting project without an existing design too. I'm curious about all the troubleshooting you had to do, maybe an interesting video for it's educational value? Again, impressive!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
15 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. Yeah maybe I’ll do a video on that one day
Amazing idea, good job, no one do that ,very clever
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
I love this channel! This is a statement for making improvements for just you and committing needed time and resources for a task that while extremely useful can only be justified by your passion to challenge yourself, Congratulations on completing a monumental project without any safety nets from prior models. Ray Stormont
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Well said! Thanks so much.
Quedo perfecto mi amigo 👏👏👏🙂🙏🙏
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Thanks for show I am so interesting 😊
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
My pleasure 😊
Impressive. . glad to have watched all the video's in this sequence. . very nice work. . Glad you shared the mistakes and your solutions. . so much better that way. . Great job.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
Honestly only change I would have done from the start, use two dowel holes for alignment especially when you have a rotating parts.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
22 күн бұрын
I got dowels on front I didn’t show it in video
You must be an engineer, from what I see. So clever design and work. I hope a lot that this extension to the tailstock works 970% :-) Greetings from Germany.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks. No engineer here not even close lol. Just self taught.
Just awesome!! Your dedication and deep sense of details are to commend for! You are a real trooper and I continue to be an avid fan of your channel. Thank you for posting. God Bless. WWG1WGA
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
Nice!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
Like how it turned out, the 2 speeds would give the lathe much versatility. Goes to show how a standard factory machine can be re-engineered for optimum performance. Like you said at the end, and I was thinking throughout the build, a CAD design would simplify the build especially for a gearbox. On CAD you would get, dimensions, tolerance, materials and fitment set at the start.🐞
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes indeed but it would be less fun with all the answers up front
I like how it came out. A little body filler and paint and it'll be seamless. Re-built in the USA!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Indeed
1:58 .. I've seen quite a few machinery parts, originally manufactured, in exactly this manner, then rounded and/or just "body fillered" to make the look as though they were cast iron. IDK how common it is but when was a Millwright, I saw quite a few.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Hmm interesting
Super projekt i wykonanie👍 chciałbym mieć takie rozwiązanie w mojej tokarce gdzie wysuw pinoli ma tylko 120mm ale i tak trzeba się nakręcić dużo przy głębokich wierceniach i częstym wysuwaniu wiertła.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thank you
It was a huge project time wise it look's great and I am glad it works, I and I am sure others do not see the point of the time and effort you put in to the project to get a few thousands extra speed on it's travel. It must have cost quite a lot just for parts and material and the time you put into it must add up to a lot of hours. But congrats on the project you would have learned a lot from it to be positive about it.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Well said!
That is one seriously chonky lathe.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
23 күн бұрын
Indeed
Now all it needs is a drink holder.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Agreed
Looking at this very fine bid of work, I have the impression the lever will be in high rate forever.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
Why is that
@markbernier8434
29 күн бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Looking at the wear patterns of machines with power feeds (similar) only the highest speed has any wear on it. I suspect that what you have built is easily controllable on high rate and the lower speed will be little or never needed.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
29 күн бұрын
@@markbernier8434 maybe only one way to find out
Your cutters are very good didn’t need coolant.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s mostly for KZread
nice! I try to leave a 32 finish when ever possible
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Nice
That was quite a project. The result is impressive. How are you able to spend so much time on it?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
22 күн бұрын
Idk I made time lol
But u did it and it was a success
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes
i prefer a rack drive like on the press, it allows the quill to slide up all the way into the tailstock gaining length, and even doubling the stroke with a modification
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah those are good ones
That is some fine craftsmanship my friend well done
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Appreciate it
Hell yeh bröther
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks
You should use the shim for adjustment.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
👍
Very interesting video, great explanation of the different processes, nice quality results..... but I m trying to understand why someone would want or need a a two speed tailstock...I sure there is a logical reason, my feeble mind can't comprehend.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Gear reduction for big drills. Speed of retract for quicker usability and convenience
It turned out super! It does look factory. What is the final weight on it now?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Not sure I’ll tell you when it’s painted and all finished up
Will you be using any lube in this uunit ? Yes a video telling anout your company & your background. You did not acquire this skillstanding on the street corner. Such talent.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Thanks not yet but I’ll make a video. All self taught no formal education
Wow Awesome... Very nice, well done !! 👍👍💪💪
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
Thank you! 👍
awesome. i missed one detail: howd you make the detent to keep the shift lever in either position?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
You didn’t miss it. There wasn’t a detent. I was debating installing one, but with the press fit of the bearing and the way that the lever is it stays in the gear it’s in so I really wasn’t necessary.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
28 күн бұрын
Honestly, I planned on installing one, but I forgot about it up until this moment and I never really felt the need for one during testing
Cool! Is there an oil embargo where you live?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes there is
Mi amigo feliz noche me gustó mucho tu trabajo y la presicion de como hiciste las piezas? Que color le vas a poner al torno
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
White
toolmaker buttons would be a big help to you.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
What are toolmake buttons
@yelims20
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair there are videos about them. For doing gear box shaft bores, like you did, through two plates, they are how it used to be done... sometime they come in handy. you could make your own set from drill bushings or buy from Starrett.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@yelims20 o ok. I looked them up I have some and did use them for other parts of the lathe project. I call them threaded transfer punches. If that’s the same thing.
@yelims20
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair It is not. Transfer screws are not that same thing... google them or search on YT... They involve the use of your surface plate and height gauge. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKSLyKuwqLnMhto.html&pp=ygURdG9vbG1ha2VyIGJ1dHRvbnM%3D
Great one! but why you didnt try too build the Handle for the quill on the side like Axelson did on there Lathes?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
I thought about it but don’t have much experience with bevel gears so I wanted to keep to what I was more comfortable with.
@VanFlausch
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Understand, keeping it also simple^^
Is it loaded up with grease or does it require oiling?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Oil bath
Would have thought a tailstock this size would have benefitted from an air bearing on the ways?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
It’s big but manageable. It has a rack to drive it which is sufficient. You couldn’t push it by hand
Wow nice job on it all but the case looks great are you going to O' ring the cover . JM
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Nah I will probably do a gasket or rtv doesn’t matter to much
@junkmannoparts9696
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair After watching more of the video i see there's no room for an 'O'ring nice work .
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
@@junkmannoparts9696 thanks yeah kinda tight for o ring
great for thin wrist syndrome...
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
What’s that mean
All the rework off camera makes me question how much outside the shop work was brought in. Why not have the rework on camera. I think there's more learning for the viewer to see the corrections.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah true but I am trying to make the videos linear. Not all problem solving is this way some times you chase your tail for hours w no results. Some mistakes I show but capturing lots of directionless troubleshooting is not interesting to watch and also filming in mist of frustration of troubleshooting is also problematic. No outside work was done. I did it all. I also got hurt bad so I was off a month or so which didn’t help me get this done efficiently
Brotha man, brotha man, threaded pins for location is key, both on the piece and plate. Ideally you should design a gearbox in such a way, in my opinion in the context of your project, to where you can have it assembled before installation on your equipment. So you can test your axial and radial endplay as well as backlash. And i can say from experience its wise to test play on your lever. I didnt see if you had seals, or gasket material?
@peterfitzpatrick7032
Ай бұрын
Using drilled holes in the backplate as a reference isn't great practice either... drill then bore for concentricity... personally, I'd have set it upon the lathe and line bored it between centres, but thats just me...🤔 Re. Seals and gasket, I'd use sealed bearings and run the gears in a nice gloopy 50 / 50 oil and grease mix and probably just use a liquid gasket... Putting a spring-loaded ball bearing in the back of the gear change handle and dimples in the body would help maintain position... (In typical internet commenting tradition, I'm commenting before I watched the whole vid yet so some of my points are moot... 🙄😂) Great project !! 😎👍☘️🍺
@bobweiram6321
Ай бұрын
@@peterfitzpatrick7032Line boring is a royal PITA.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yeah guys there are alignment pins on one of the plates you just don’t see it. There is not pins on back plate but that’s intentional it’s allows me some movement during final assembly to ensure no binding. Would it be better if I nailed it perfectly and used dowels everywhere yes. But this is not cnc and cad it’s manual machining where we build as we go I need some play to ensure a successful end result.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yep did some yesterday more videos to come on that
19:30 wouldn't be beneficial to have chamfers on dogs' edges so to avoid chipping or deforming since the flat business ends will not be affected ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes. I actually chamfered them a bit off camera. Bigger chamfers help engagement but reduce strength. It’s a trade off.
I admit this is a novel idea. It makes me wonder how many other machinists are going to find this over the coming years and try their hand at duplicating it...
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
27 күн бұрын
Yeah I wonder
Listen....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
👍
Couldn’t you just wind it slow or fast?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes but your don’t get the reduction. It’s like saying couldn’t you drive your car in first gear and just give it more or less gas to go faster or slower. It’s not just speed it’s torque. Gearboxes provide lots of benefits
Yea figuring out what is wrong with something is always the worst part. You rule out things that you think are fine and hours and hours into it you just check everything and find it was one of those you ruled out in the first place...
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Yes 100% agreed
You are remaking something, that have been on some European Lathes the last 40+ years, maybe the US. as usual don't bather to seek information, outside the County State line.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair
Ай бұрын
Stop. Don’t insult my intelligence. I researched this project for months before beginning. I know full well that 20-50% of bigger lathes have two speed tailstocks. The new lions do as well. That is not an original idea. What is an original idea is retrofitting one to a single speed tailstock. Keyboard warriors need to chill out.
@Claes4773
Ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair I'm Not a keyboard warrior, I'm a European Machinist with 30+ years off experience.