G'day from Brookhaven Mississippi, USA! Have been driving a truck the last couple of years, and not seen much of your channel - was very pleased when this popped into my feed today New shop is looking excellent; you should be well pleased with it Look forward to seeing the next installment on the project here

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Hey , we have to odd one or two trucks here as well ! Here is a link to one of my earlier videos when i was working up North of Western Australia . Cheers 👍 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2eu1rqzZMaTgLA.html .

G'day Max. Lots of Do's & Don't remarks, but because I know pretty well Nothing about shapers, I can say Job Well done. You have different hardness in your angle plate giving different facial readings, but ... chips are still flying whether horizontally or virtually. Amazing the difference between Carbide & Tool Steel Cutting tools. Overall a Great video, it's good to see you slowly using the various machines in the shop. Have a Prosperous & Great New Year to You & Yours for 2024

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Ted . 🍺🍺🍺

When I was 14 years of age I made I scribing block on the shaper at school. I still have it and it's not too bad. I was going to surface grind the bottom face but ran out of school workshop time. These machines are so versatile , enjoy yours.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . I still use my Great Grandfathers also my Dads scribing blocks ! 👍

Your shop is working out nicely. We into winter so you should be getting into summer. Great project thanks for sharing, Max!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

We have had some hot ones ! Cheers 👍

Top job Max, have a good new years mate

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Matty . Have a good one too ! 👍

Good one, Max. The "chatter marks" you show at 30:00 could come from hard spots in the material after flame cutting or welding. The video shows different finishes in the top surface where the plates are welded. On my shaper I have the same results.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

It will be different where the weld is . I think there is some excessive play somewhere . Time to investigate ! 👍

I wish there was a shop around me that had old conventional tools like you have. Nothing but CNC around here, and trying to learn code infuriates me. I miss being able to actually put my hands on the components of the machines while I'm using them.

@swanvalleymachineshop

Ай бұрын

No worries . CNC is not in my wheel house , never used one . We were taught a bit of NC stuff as apprentices . 👍

Always interesting. Thanks Max and Happy New Year!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Rob . Have a good one as well . 👍

the chatter marks i reckon are from the bull gear thats why they look even ,you never get those type of marks on a hydraulic shaper.i run a shaper similar to yours its a seba 600 and i spent hours trying to eliminate said pattern,you will find it only happens on light to medium cuts not really visible on heavier cuts.a very sharp shear tool will help no end on improving finish..

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . A shear tool would help i think . I am going to go over the machine soon & check every thing out . 👍

@ericpatterson3887

5 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. The consistency of the marks suggests something in the drive line, be it the bull gear or the eccentric actuating arm (or whatever it's called, I think of an eccentric type setup when I see those mechanical shapers for some reason). It could be in the tool head or the sliding head or the clapper box for that matter, but I think your right that it is in the internal drive line somewhere. It would probably be a good idea to use a spacer in the lantern too. I know Adam Booth always uses a spacer in the tool holder lantern, instead of just tightening down directly on the tool. 👍

Enjoyed….awesome bench also

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Chuck . 👍

G'day Max, I'm a bit late on commenting.. Angle plate is coming along nicely. Thanks for the tip on T-nuts, makes sense haven't heard that mentioned before. Have an awesome New Year ! Cheers...

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Dean , have a good one as well ! 👍

Great Job Max. That Shaper seems like a good machine to have. Happy New Year.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . It will be , once i have adjusted everything . Cheers 👍

Hi Max, hope you had a great Christmas, and HNY to you and yours. If you are still in the roughing stages, get a load of DTI's set up onto your table (perpendicular to moving axes) and take a few cuts. I am with you that this is harmonic looking at the shape of the marks. Measuring any flex/bounce before you strip down will help you home in on where the attention is needed. I had very similar on mine following the rebuild, I just threw some stock in, had DTI's scanning all 3 axes and made iterative tweaks to the Gibs between each cut watching for the difference. The cross slide was main the offender on mine. Cheers, Jon

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Jon . I am going to make the base for it & get it all solidly bolted down , start from the basics ! 👍

The bench is a beaute mate, quite a looker! happy new year to ya.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . 👍

Dunno what it is about shaper videos Max, I must be an “easily suggestible type”, probably a good hypnotism subject, because yours and Abom79’s shaper videos, I can’t stay awake to watch through, I always nod off in the chair & wake up 3 or videos later, wondering “what happened, where am I?” 😜😂 Often I have to go back and watch them again from wherever I nodded off, to see how they ended up. 🤷‍♂️ Mostly it’s shaper videos that get me every time. Keep up the good work, always interesting, always learning something even if it’s just what the insides of my eye lids look like when I’m asleep. 😂😂

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Lol , i nod off every time i hit the couch ! 👍

Thanks for sharing 👍 love the shaper action 😅

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

No worries . 👍

Great video max, keep'um coming..

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Awsome video again Max.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

i always assumed you finisned these off camera a while back. Glad we get to come along with the finish of these.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Been saving them ! 👍

Hi Max, Happy new year. You are going to have some fun with this bugger. As far as I can see you have 3 possible sources for the poor finish, 1: flex in the clapperbox, 2: wear in the ram, 3: wear in the knee, all of which will mean giving the scraper another runnout. Looking forward to the progress. Best wishes, Mal.

@tas32engineering

5 ай бұрын

Never saw a shaper in use when under the thump. Great internals with oil bath. Great for taking corners out.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

I think i will be looking into it before i continue with the angle plates . Good a time as any . 👍

Great work as usual! You’re making me wish I had my shaper up and running. Happy New Year!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a good one as well 👍

Hi Max the new bench top and shelves look really good. Happy Newyears. Cheers

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a good one as well ! 🍺🍺🍺

Thank you Max. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas. Happy Happy New Year to you and your family.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Survived Christmas ok ! Cheers 👍

Good stuff. I need to make a large set for my HBM at some point.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Tom . I guess when you need them , you need them ! Making my ones , just in case . 👍

Max, I just remembered, Adam Booth also recommended fileing a chamfer on the leading edge of your work piece, as well as the other end too to help keep vibrations down on the tool and to keep from getting chip outs on the edges, but for sure a chamfer on the leading edge sounds like a good idea to me. When he did it he didn't put a huge chamfer, just a half dozen strokes or so with the file. The type of material your working with would probably make a difference on how much of a chamfer to use. 👍 Cheers mate! E PS: let me know if you could use some help finding some mo max Cobalt tooling blanks, be glad to help brother!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

The chamfer helps , it's done on cast iron to stop chipping the iron . I think i have one small bit of Mo max & one of Rex 95 . 3/4 tool steel is what fits my machine , hard to get here . 👍

Max I love those taps. About all I use any more.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Their the dogs bollocks alright ! Cheers 👍

Its good to punch the lower ends of T-nut thread, in order to avoid holding bolts going thru, so it won't make contact with table..

@swanvalleymachineshop

4 ай бұрын

Yes , most times it is . Cheers 👍

Merry Christmas Max and Happy New Year.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Graham . Have a good one as well ! 👍

Thanks Max for another very interesting vid ,Merry Christmas and happy New year to you and family and friends👍👍

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a good one as well . 👍

Lookin good Max! Happy New Years to you and family.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

In the audio you can hear what sounds like a fairly high speed low knocking noise. Possibly that could be putting a vibration into the ram? In looking at the second cut you did the marks are fairly close together so I thought maybe that noise was causing those marks, just a wild ass guess! Enjoy your content and look forward to more!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . I think there is some play somewhere . 👍

G'day Max and happy Christmas bud, hope you all had a great one Really enjoy the shaper vids, could you explain cut and stroke setup one time? Have a great one 👍

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Ralfy . All went well here ! You will see the cut & stroke when i pull it apart soon . Have a great New Year ! Cheers 👍

That old tool is probably welded HSS on the end, though they were made with Stellite and other material cutting tips, its just far more were made with HSS. You can still get them, they are still made but are expensive, in most cases it wouldbe cheaper to buy a new HSS blank. Much better to buy them used, often see them mixed into lots of brazed carbide tools as not that many people know what they are, or search for welded or brazed HSS tools.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Max, hey brother, good video. I hate to bring up Adam Booth again, but I've watched a lot of his shaper content and have learned a good bit by doing so. I'm not a machinist, but I watched him take his precision flat stones and after grinding his tool (I noticed he uses a lot of the mo max Cobalt for a lot of his tooling for the shaper, less vibration I think) be places his precision flat stone on the work or flat surface of the vice, and lowers the tool head to alittle above the stone, takes a piece of paper and lays it on the stone tnen lifts the clapper box and then brings the tool down onto the stone with the papers width between the stone and the tool and gauges the tool height to just a little higher than the clapper being completely down but touching the paper then he removes the paper and then hones the tooling with the stone moving it back and forth against the tooling. I think the tooling when he is honeing it is just shy of having the clapper completely down. Not sure. But his finishes he gets is really sharp looking, looks great. He has shown a book or magazine on a couple of his shaper vids that show a number of different tool grinds. If you contact him he might send you some of that info if your interested. I don't know his email off hand, but I can get it if you want. I know he uses Instagram a lot, it's Abom79 or some derivative of that. Thanks for the great video Max. Hope you and your family are having a great holiday season! Greetings from Phoenix Arizona, USA, cheers mate! Sincerely, Eric, a fellow southpaw.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . I have watched his video's . I have to find some dedicated tool blanks for that machine . 👍

Another awesome video Max, Thank you. From kiwi land

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

No worries 👍

Nice one Max. ATB....Tony

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Tony . Cheers 👍

looking good max happy new year to you keep at it

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Mate . Have a good one as well . 🍺🍺🍺

Hi Max , back in the old days I used to like no top rake but generous side rake on the tool. This was for mild and tool steel.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . I will have to find some 3/4 tool blanks with specific grinds for that machine . 👍

Thanks for posting I always enjoy your content just a small comment you should put a little plastic plug in the angle lock nut on your Kurt vice it keeps the chips out the screw and it only takes 10 minutes

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

I noticed that the other day , it normally faces away from me on the milling machine ! 👍

Have a good Christmas Max

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a great New Year ! Cheers 👍

Happy new year Max - Cheers 🍻

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a great one as well ! 🍺🍺🍺

Happy New Year max. cheers ben.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a good one as well . 👍

All the soft woods are conifers broad leaf flowering trees are classed as hard woods even balsa.

@ianmoone2359

5 ай бұрын

I was tempted to say exactly this. Hardwoods & Softwoods is determined by how the tree reproduces. Hardwoods through flowers nuts & seeds, & softwoods by cones & spores. Jarrah is a hardwood because it has nuts & seeds. Balsa is one of the least dense (ie hard) Timbers there is but is classified as a hardwood because it reproduces by flowers nuts and seeds. There are some quite dense (hard) softwoods here downunder as well. Our local coastal sheoke is almost 2/3rds as hard as Max’s Jarrah hardwood bench top, but is classified as a softwood again because it reproduces by cones and spores. If only I knew as much about metal. 😜😂😂

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

That's why i don't work with wood , it splits even if i look at it & can't weld the bloody stuff back together ! 👍

@ianmoone2359

5 ай бұрын

@@swanvalleymachineshop You did a really nice job on that table slab, looks great. 👍👍

Nice vid., and Good New Year to you.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks , Have a good one as well . Cheers 👍

Hi Max, Jarrah is getting scarce now, we cut too many trees destined for railway sleepers, shameful. I have a Piper live centre on my small lathe, Aussie Quality. I have a Stellite 1/2" drill, drilled a hole through a flat file at max speed on my DP, hole size was exact, lots of fireworks drilling it and no damage to drill bit.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . I think Stellite would be hard to find now days . I have a good stash of jarrah from when i used to play around slabbing the stuff . 👍

@willemvantsant5105

5 ай бұрын

Hi Max, Stellite welding rods are about 200 dollars aud a kilo up here in Philippines, wonder if you could hard face a shaper tool with them, I know my brother used satellite tig rods for hard facing chain saw bar tips.

Makes extensive use of analogy/similie to the rectum of a badger. Perhaps a side-by-side comparison photo would help for those of us less familiar with badger anatomy...

@swanvalleymachineshop

2 ай бұрын

Lol , you would have to google that one ! 👍

@tinkeringtim7999

2 ай бұрын

@@swanvalleymachineshop If I go looking for that, the Internet is going to start suggesting some stuff that can't be unseen. Then, someone will use my phone to search for something, and there will be an advert for a (wipe clean) realistic badger anus toy, and I will never live it down.

Thanks Max !!

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Mate 👍

Love the Jarrah bench tops. Wish I could source that wood here in the USA.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

It is really nice timber , as long as you don't have to try & hammer a nail in it ! Along time ago it was the standard construction timber , but now days it's pine . 👍

Another great vid amazing thanks

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers JB . 🍺🍺🍺

Happy New Year

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . Have a good one as well ! 👍

good job friend Max

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Mate . Cheers 🍺🍺🍺

I am a WA boy and have no idea what a badger’s arse feels like! 🦡 Never did any kind of metalwork at school (I have very low vision and I think the idea scared them although the woodworking teacher was happy to have me) or an occupation but I always file like you do. Assume I picked it up as a kid from my dad or brother….

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers 👍

Shapers not used in naval dockyard. But corner cutting there's no better machine. Definitely wear pattern. Great internal moving parts shot, that ram can really take a big cut. HNY 😮

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . 👍

Noticed you use coolant on your bandsaw. Is it worth the mess? My saw has coolant cabability, but I've never used it. Like the Jarrah wood bench top.

@swanvalleymachineshop

3 ай бұрын

I have always used coolant with saws esp with larger cuts . I do think it is worth it . Cheers

Hello Max. A lot of the finish problem is the material type. I have the same problem. A suggestion is to try less tool stick out and angle the shaving tool edge to 45 deg to direction of travel. Good video. BC

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Bernie . The tools were pretty well as short as i could go , the ram was only just clearing the job ! Further investigation will be required . 👍

@inmyshedwithbc.

5 ай бұрын

Hello again. I use lock or Wilton tool holders as they are meaty and you can use smaller tool bits. BC

Really don't have any knowledge of shapers, long, long time since i used one at college. Just a thought on the marking on the surfaces, you can hear the gear drive while the machine is running. I wonder if the drive pinion is worn in comparison to the main gear and this is translating to the slight shudder in the cutting tool. It will be interesting to see what you find during the refurb. Maybe make a new pinion to suit the wear on the main gear.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

There is something out of adjustment , will find out soon . Cheers 👍

Other than to test the shaper, why would you prefer this method over a fly-cutter or large end-mill, and then grinding?

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Once it's all roughed out , i want the shaper tool marks in the finish cut . They look good . 👍

Max, if your shaper isn't hard-mounted to the floor, could that be one of the reasons for the "badger's ass" surface finishes you were getting in this video?

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

It may contribute . It is going to get bolted down next . 👍

Just curious and this maybe a stupid noob question, are those sides finished as they are or would you put the angle plate on a surface grinder? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I am just learning a bit of hobby machining since retirement.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

The sides are only rough machined . Finish cuts i will do last in the shaper . I have a good size surface grinder but it is not up & running yet . 👍

Hi Max I’m no expert but I do play one on the KZread comment section lol I think the chatter is due to the low height of the vise jaws with the jacks on one end you may not have enough support Thanks Max Happy New Year

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

I think there is some movement in the machine somewhere . The job is rock solid in the vice but i can feel something through the table . 👍

Good

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Thanks . 👍

👍

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Cheers 👍👍👍

So a gudgeon pin is a quick and dirty cylinder square?

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Yes . They are ground to a close tolerance & are square . Good enough for most jobs . 👍

how many hp is the shaper?

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

It's not marked on the tag . Looks to be about the size of a 5 hp . 👍

I'm curious to find out how you know how smooth a badger's ass is. Then again, maybe it's better not to know that.

@davidcat1455

5 ай бұрын

😃👍

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Lol . Some things are best left alone !!!

Hi Max trevor her the old bloke I did my apprenticeship with would flog you with the file if you draged it back 😂😂

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Lol , they used to check our filing with a micrometer ! 👍

Ugao od npr. 90,00 nakon godinu-dve dana neće opstati ako niste prethodno odžarili radni komad radi uklanjanja unutrašnjih napona u zavarenom komadu.

@swanvalleymachineshop

5 ай бұрын

Was previously annealed . 👍