Working on a 3 Phase ‘Widow Maker’ | ØY38
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@justin8894
3 ай бұрын
Celsius or Fahrenheit?
@mrtechie6810
3 ай бұрын
@@justin8894Kelvin. Obviously!
It is quite funny. On the one hand, there are single insulated conductors carrying 100A (?) of current that are bolted directly to a wooden substructure without any additional protection against touching. On the other hand, you are using metal conduit for the new wiring. Meanwhile in Germany we use a lot more plastic stuff that does not require drilling into metal, lockrings and that is insulated in itself...on the other hand, running 5x25mm² as a multi core conductor certainly is less fun than what you are doing with individual single conductors...
@RandomUser2401
3 ай бұрын
the widow maker shown is pretty standard in Europe in every house.
@JonSenior
3 ай бұрын
@@RandomUser2401 Not in the French part of Europe it isn't! It's either way neater and safer, or (pre 1980s) absolutely terrifying. ;-)
@mariospanna8389
3 ай бұрын
@@JonSenior I hope your not praising french electrics...
@JonSenior
3 ай бұрын
@@mariospanna8389 Modern wiring to the current standards is not bad. The standard seems mostly well thought out, although I put a lot of time in pulling CAT5 cable everywhere to meet the standard, only to find that by the time I can to actually use it, we were all using mobile devices with wifi and no LAN sockets! Older French wiring is something else though! Braided sheath cables with push button switches just hanging from the ceiling which make your arm tingle when you touch the cable. Spurs installed on spurs, with no earth connection. Cables spliced with a choc block connector under enough tension that the connections pulled apart when the temperature dropped.
@mariospanna8389
3 ай бұрын
@@JonSenior I stand by statement as having worked and lived in a number of regions of France, and worked with french film electricians. NO thank you. You can't change my mind i have seen their work and what it happens as a result from it. I am not talking pre 1980 aswell i worked out there in the 90's up untill about five years ago...
Great episode. Insulated sharpie is fine, metal tape measure not a great pointing tool ⚡️😁
@Michael-xs5ef
3 ай бұрын
Coffee mug on top of the Main Breaker - what could possibly go wrong....... ?
Cory I find your channel compelling, as a retired Sparks with a lifetime in the industry, you would think I would have had enough! But it is fascinating to get a modern perspective! The basics still remain! Love the humour 😎👍🏻
Interesting video 2x👍 I work for 6 months in a power station, that was truly "widow maker" power. Parts of site you needed special overalls with no metal. You could feel the power just walking past outside the room.
Appreciate the shoutout, Cory! Great to see our job management software is benefitting your business!
Pretty sure those old federal boards arent even classed as protective devices anymore just isolators. Always pray they re-engage when switching on/off. Had a few not turn back on after a shutdown
Worked on a Coherent Everlase CO2 laser that was a literal widow maker. At its heart it had a large 3 phase transformer that took 480 in and put out plus and minus 40kv with filter capacitors that were fed to the lasing tube. It was current regulated on the ground side with 4 big glass transmitting tetrodes. The widow maker part was the mirror mount that needed adjustment occasionally was floating at 45kv at whatever current the transformer could source through your body. The laser had to be running in order to adjust the optimum alignment. Working on it was a bit of pucker factor, to add to it, the tubes were supported on a large granite slab so it has the tombstone built into it. Was very relieved when we retired it and upgraded to a Truamph slab laser that used RF. 😂
With the Henley blocks it looks like they have single insulated cable outside of containment or enclosure
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Bingo!!!
@joshuabest100
4 ай бұрын
Also they are upside down which takes away the ip rating
@adamjwhite50
4 ай бұрын
@@joshuabest100what ip rating ?
@joshuabest100
4 ай бұрын
@adamjwhite50 yes Henley blocks ha a ip rating believe it or not
@jan-dr1xl
4 ай бұрын
However going by the colour of the conductors this would have complied with the regs that were in force at the time of installation,and so whilst not ideal,its still compliant.
Oooh, intros now mate! Damn you make quality vids Cory - next level stuff. Also Cheers to your editor/producer/ crew etc. Superb, oh and damn hilarious in parts. 😂😂
The Copper Development Association produce a document on busbar design that gives torque settings for various bolting configurations.
Nicely done Cory, remember, don't lick the tasty bus bar
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
🤣🤣👍🏼
appreciate your videos, great content and excellent production quality
9:34 10:27 - this is not 3-phase grid that makes widows, that's you, who works without gloves and with non isolated tools on lines that are not grounded.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Fair point!
A fellow sparky here. Over here in the US, we just say it has been "farmered". Sometimes even in front of said farmer.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That checks out 🤣🤣🤣
@Mixolixplosion
Ай бұрын
The entire american electrics have been farmered tbh 😅
Top job
Always great to watch and learn from you Cory ⚡️👊
Alway love your videos, honestly carry on the great work 👍🏼👍🏼
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Thanks man!!
Nice one Cory
Entertaining. Educational. Excellent
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Thankyou!
I love your vids. Your camera person does a fantastic job. I live in Los Angeles and the terminology is very different. Not only do u really know your stuff, u have a great sense of humor.
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
"This is a widowmaker." Turns off the main breakers. "Not any more."
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
😂👌 - only trouble is, I’ve actually had them lock into the on position before!! So they wouldn’t turn off ( check episode 3 I think it is! )
Keep smashing it😂🎉🎉🎉
Great Intro and Videography as always 👍
6:37 "those days are gone" 🤣
Most electricians seem to think it's a strict requirement to show visible inner insulation.
@lewis94uk
4 ай бұрын
Yeah when I was an apprentice the old boy would strip them back for identification
All farm electrics are a little heehaw 😂 great video as always
Omg it’s like going back 30 years did loads of work on this stuff, up grades from 100a to 400a
Brings back memories did metal trunking by the mile still got the scars from the sharp edges
@highkicker11
4 ай бұрын
metal trunking is only going to cut you if you are care less, just like building a pc in a really small case, the first few times you have cuts then you know to put on gloves
Good vid as always, learned a lot from this
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
Your video editor is phenomenal.
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
He is indeed 👌🏼👌🏼
Federal pacific breaker panel is a fire waiting to happen
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Yeah!! I hate those things, I’ve recommended an EICR on the rest of the system.
Great video. Would love to see the ground source install
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Coming soon!
The block are upside down so the IP rating will not be to standard? and some single insulated cables where they have been stripped back.
Wow you got done early and got the outro done amazing.
FPE Electric... = Fire Prone Equipment (at least here in the US.) The "Stab Loc" line is extremely dangerous.. and there were thousands of the industrial breakers that were prone to failing by emitting smoke, sparks or exploding..and FPE's solution? They issued stickers saying don't touch it, and call a 1 800 number....🙄 I personally worked on several Stab loc panels, and a few of the industrial panels...and hated them with a passion.
Whether you did or didn’t know Cory. Those old black cutouts / fuse holders can be made from a material that becomes phenolic overtime (degrades and becomes conductive) it’s not been uncommon for people to have tingles from them. Meter fitting companies etc generally use a Martindale VT7 to check these. I can send you one if you like ?
@Gpbattersby
4 ай бұрын
They don’t “become” phenolic. They are manufactured from a material called phenolic resin, essentially a type of plastic
@bramcoteelectrical1088
4 ай бұрын
They get damp and become slightly conductive 😊rare...but it happens!
Hi Cory great video as always. Would this need a Type 1 Surge Arrester on account of Over-ground power lines? I would assume the HV lines are over-ground as well as LV.
Henley blocks have single insulation outside of the enclosure, they also have black tape covering one of the entries still get a finger or tool inside it, they are also upside down. If they only needed three ways they should of swapped it for a three way Henley block instead of taping over one way.
That cap must be hiding some grey hairs lol I’m still going through all your older videos 😂😊
I just need some popcorn :P Awesome content as always.
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! 🤩
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
The question is, which flavour 🍿
@klarnorbert
4 ай бұрын
@@corymac Butter obv :D
VFT is the best torque lol. Top video with some very cool editing! Keep it up.
Uff... Nice intro.
Is there no requirement to IR test the new tails and the supply side of the 4-pole isolator on the new DB *before* energisation?
Majority of agricultural installations are rougher than 2 grit sandpaper
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That’s a good analogy 😂
I worked a lot telephone exchanges there was equipment that would melt your saw , other that would blind if you looked down it, also a lot equipment you couldn't turn off without about3 weeks notice and then at 3 oclock in the morning .
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
😅😅😅
I love that Milwaukee wrench
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Us too 🤤
Nipple heigt... As if the British scheme of measurement units isn't confusing enough.
@mxslick50
4 ай бұрын
We use willy length here in the US for the amount of wire to leave sticking out of the box....at least that's how it seems on some jobs, and many are obviously lacking...😁
7:17 new channel icon?
A 3phase isolator / switch fuse would have been great as you tapped off the busbar. You are essentially making those sub-main cables an extension of the busbar chamber, even though you have 3 phase isolator/ main switch in the DB😮
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
If I was going more than 3m with my tails, I’d have been more concerned about doing that. But as it’s such a short run, I’m not as worried
@jamiekent1970
4 ай бұрын
@@corymac ok, if you are sure. But to work or change the new 3 phase DB would need another shut down. But I do love your work Cory ❤️
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
It’s a good shout mate. Thank you 🙏🏼😁
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
It’s a good shout mate. Thank you 🙏🏼😁
clean up the shavings before pulling wires shavings can cause arc flash
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
We vacuum 😁
Another great video bro! ❤
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
From the man himself 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️
Some curious things I realised, working for a Dutch DNO, is that in our part of the grid, we kept the old UK colour coding, i.e. red, yellow and blue (the consumer side does use brown, black and grey). One other thing is that - as the story goes - these colours were sometimes painted in the wrong order on the bus bars inside distribution stations. The pragmatic approach was not to redo everything but just supply either a right rotating or a left rotating field to the customer. From there on it is up to the electrician of the consumer to wire the devices in the right rotation. So, when changing a meter, we have to check the rotation twice to make sure before and after are the same, it's easy to swap wires (and actually simulated during training and examinations). Some devices won't work on the wrong rotation, but some will just go the other way around, as you mentioned, possibly damaging or destroying things.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That’s interesting!
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
What do you prefer?
Got the new DB isolator on with busbar stabs live and exposed, no need to have isolator on for the tests you carried out .... nice vids....but be careful
Those MEM busbar chambers are scary as fook never liked doing them.
Question from Norway: Why are not the meter box and main fuses from the grid inside a enclosure?
the other guy said it first but henley blocks should be facing downwards or maybe side ways, i think its something to do with IP rating? not 100% tho..
You got that easy, able to turn it off, a luxury. I was a sparks on the docks in the late seventy's. It cannot be turned off as it costs a very lot of of money. Buss bar chamber live 2000A fuse behind it. Drill the solid copper bars, connect up the cables with nuts and bolts, that means one arm is up behind the bars with a spanner and a bit of tape round it. The same for the bolt head at the front. Put lid back on and jobs a goodun. I hardly ever worked with the power off unless the crane or whatever was down for maintenance.
@barteklewandowski4211
4 ай бұрын
Glad you're here to tell the tale but let's not don't glorify working live, it's not worth becoming a statistic to save someone money
@DesSilverson
4 ай бұрын
Its what you get used to I suppose. Even when a circuit could be turned off, I was so used to working live nine times out of ten I didn't bother. When I think back some of it was a bit iffy like the cranes only fed with three wires red, yellow (or white) and blue. 240v for the lights meant two in series across two of the phases etc. The office block even still had capping and casing and bare wiring!!
@robertmather7696
4 ай бұрын
I used to open these up live to do thermal surveys in gloves and an arc flash suit, the ones in switchrooms on Liverpool docks were deffo still the ones from the 70s or even older!
@GregNow
4 ай бұрын
🥶
15:53 is 3,2,1 with Ted Rogers. You win Dusty Bin.
Can't work out why the db wasn't terminated before the bus connections? Would have been much quicker?
what I don't understand is that Makita's best combi drill is more expensive then Milwaukee's and has a much longer service life yet people still think Milwaukee is better. I'm using a Makita 3/4 impact wrench that is still going strong for 8 years of daily abuse that has outlasted 3 Milwaukee 3/4 guns. just why are people defending this TTI crap. the only Makita product from their top line that I have to replace so far is batteries after 5 years of hard use as a agricultural mechanic. ive been at it 14 years and the batteries do wear out unsurprisingly. There is one exception... The torches and multi postilion lights fall apart buy the Makita top of the line whatever tool you need and it pays for itself
I once warned a supposedly senior electrician to turn off and meter the 440vac before removing starter arc chutes. After his first grab and shock, he opined that was just static. Then he grabbed it a second time. I told him I was going to shut off the breaker while he recovered. A different time, a three phase disconnect was positioned off, but one of the switches broke off the actuator bar, leaving one phase still hot. Yeh, I also ohms check the meter leads before every voltage check. "440 don't like to let go of you." is the folk saying.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Crazy! Was he injured after?
Hi from Malta 🇲🇹 🎉🎉🎉
Shouldn't you turn away from the panel when flipping breakers? What if something was accidentally shorted?
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That’s why we test before we switch on 😁
i learnt that your normal sharpie is “insulated” 😂😂
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
😂😅
1:40 those are stab lock configuration brakers...wow what brand is that over there? those things are ancient second generation stuff. one step up from pillow block brakers they were good for their day but did not last long in the US market i think they went out of business in the late fifties early sixties iirc.
@18in80
3 ай бұрын
They're Federal Electric Stabloc MCBs. That installation was probably done in the late '70s or early '80s.
How many other electricians know their nipple heights? For instance mine are the typical reg max height of light switches and as a bonus the bottom of my kneecap is the typical recommended height for socket outlets from the floor. Makes marking out a doodle...
Why don’t you use black and grey for the L2 and L3 lines?
How does the insulation hold up against possible sharp edges in the metal conducts? In germany im used to working with plastic"rails"
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
There’s no sharp edges 👌🏼. It’s all either filed or smooth grommets
👏
Massive fan Cory been watching since the early artisan days, just wondering why when you are testing the new DB you are testing with the main switch on? Could have gave yourself a nasty one on the busbar
Nice vids. I would have preferred if you had ‘brushed bright’ before making the connections to the bus work! 😮
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
Next time! Good call
Henley blocks are upside down!
Surprised you didn't put a lock through those switches to prevent them being knocked on accidentally.
That's a spicy meatball
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
🤌🏼
Hey Cory I hope all is well I’ve got to ask do you do much work in sheffield ? I am willing to introduce Pringles more if this helps
britain has some weird ass main fuses
12:30 teught like a teuger!
You could have checked one of the other existing lugs to see what they were torqued too!!! And its prospective earth fault current, not potential. You had the potential to check the existing lugs for torque values : )
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Now that’s a move a smart man would make. I don’t claim to be a smart man, but I know what love is…
@jeremykemp3782
4 ай бұрын
@@corymac Ps, I do love your channel x
@martinbateman2467
4 ай бұрын
@@corymacmaybe you could tell these guys kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGeE1JOYpprOo9o.html
Cory: It's a farm everything is just eh "hashed in" Also Cory: uses his nipples for mounting boxes.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
They’re as reliable as the sun
Reason the henly blocks are non-complinent they've being installed upside down
@residualelectrical
4 ай бұрын
You can actually install them any way you like, but the seal needs to be IP4X, if you drill them out perfectly I can be done or you can fit a grommet 👍🏼
@Jay369
4 ай бұрын
Issue is with the single insulated cables
@mikethemask1525
4 ай бұрын
Issue is the Line conducter is nearest the opening lide
What's the company you are working with ? Onton Energy Wonton energy? No links in the description?
Careful with the Sharpie. You don't have a 5 inch long insulator, you have a thinwall plastic tube with a liquid ink wick up the middle of it. The vapour aspect of the ink and solvent is unpredictable and may depend on the colour of the ink but I know from experience that sticking a Sharpie in a HF radio amplifier with 1500VDC on the top of the bottles is a bad plan and caused a hell of a lot of paperwork and several clipboards turned up. It broke down in a split second and all our bowels leaked out.
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That’s insane!!!
4:05 C2 single insulated conductors showing
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
That’s right!
everyone's said unsheathed cables on show on the henley blocks which is fair enough, but what's that insulating tape doing? If you can get it off without a tool then it better not be covering anything important!
I'm glad the nugget of information was your nipple height reference point. :P
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
It’s a life lesson
Do you sell those insulator sharpies? They should be in everyone’s toolbox!
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
They’re going in for patent
100A block with 160A fuses
Open bus-bars scar the crap out of me.
Would it not of been quicker getting the DB all terminated before shut off?
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Trouble is, I couldn’t get the tails in until the trunking was in, and I couldn’t get the trunking in until I’d drilled a hole, couldn’t drill the hole til the power was off.
I would Add Apple / Samsung (or Both) Tag GPS Trackers to all or a few the Plastic tools box's - Even take tool body's apart so can install in the hand grip elsewhere if room space Keep in mind they need to have there CR2035 Battery Changed Every 1 ~ 4 years (I do like the Samsung Due they can Loudly Beep Alam) if you got Newer Milwaukee MX fuel Tools They Have it all built in an a Remote Disable / Enable and Geo fence And can use Nr by authorized mobile Phones (Work phone / Rugged Tablet) to Enable Disable the tools & Battey packs
What color of phases do you have? Red, Ylw, Blu? the blue one is kinda misleading, innit? In heart of europe we used to have black/brown/black (or all black/brown) (with labels U V W) and nowaday using brown/black/grey (labels L1 L2 L3)
@user-super-user
3 ай бұрын
not really the old phase colours used to be red,yellow,blue and black for neutral
Oy please can I enter the vito bag comp. Your videos are great.
That cup perched on the panel switch... 😬
@corymac
4 ай бұрын
Empty 😂👍🏼
HI Cory, I am in need of some help with my solar installation. I want an EPS environment on my existing solar and need help with earthing. do you know anyone who can help me with that? thanks in advance.
3:25 😂
Sorrry cory i need to clarify my "slow down" comment as i mean the time pressure in the vidio is not what i mean what i mean is.. like a flash of the.. henly block man could do with longer to laph at the intro is funney just to short and you could do one at the end? hope that this is helpful to your chanal and not hipper critical. thankyou cory for all the great vidos.
3:44 "insulated sharpie" sure, and few seconds ago you were poking those fuses with metal measuring tape ;) ps. nice video anyway :)
@corymac
3 ай бұрын
My bad 😂😅
Never he made it in time :P
@spartan90909
4 ай бұрын
When he killed the power it was light outside , when he finished....midnight 😂😂