I have found that the cost of quote is no guide to the quality of install. A bad installer can pad a quote to increase profit, whilst doing a poor job. Only by informing yourself and asking questions about what will be done, do you get an indication of what will be done for the quote. Comparing materials specified in each quote is also necessary.

@itsmyview2024

3 ай бұрын

absolutely bang on. price is not always the best indicator

@paulhetherington6022

3 ай бұрын

I have to agree. My expensive German kitchen installed by an expensive fitter is now looking cheap a year later.

@BritishEngineer

3 ай бұрын

Wrong placement of punctuation. I would not like to see the installs.

@makgyver411

3 ай бұрын

Sie niew stuff is shisse​@@paulhetherington6022

@elliotn3967

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree.

"Data Boy" here. You would put most of my colleagues to shame!

@sotaelectrical

Ай бұрын

Love it

Yes, but what was wrong with it? Why was it not working? Everything you mentioned? There’s nothing to do with it not working

The issue with this current environment is everyone is trying to charge a fortune using cost of living as the excuse. So an expensive quote doesn’t necessarily mean that you will end up with a decent installation, neither does check a trade reviews- I’ve seen some terrible work from businesses with good reviews.

I had the same charger ( ohme home pro ) installed recently by Octopus. I was surprised to say the least when the van turned up and a young girl ( very earky 20's) got out. She stood about 5'2 ! she was lovely and did an absolutely brilliant job of installation . Explained everything to me. I paid £975 inc installation cost.

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

No one can compete with octopus on cost

Good ol’ eddy current making an appearance!!

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Yep he’s there!!

@barnabybot

3 ай бұрын

Ah yes, eddy currents increasing the temperature of the metal by 1 degree. 😂

@mart1711

2 ай бұрын

@@barnabybotoh the millions of old buildings lost to fire because of these Eddie currents we didn’t know about..,,,Oh there’s none.

I'm no EV specialist, nor engineer, but in all instances of data cabling and running power/data in server rooms cat5 (which I assume is the same cat5 you reference) is never to be run alongside power. We run time and data sensitive datacentres and not a simple EV charger, but the principle I think is the same. If I am wrong and the cable is not network cat5, shoot me!

@raikyoto2778

2 ай бұрын

depends on the Cat5 being protected from EMI by using shielding and usually you would put it 5cm apart. Also depends on the standards of the power cables and earth grounding.

@Alex-xs6ht

2 ай бұрын

I also believe most of these chargers just use the “data” cable for a rs485 connection anyway (using one of the twisted pairs).

@forsythfan

20 күн бұрын

Depends on the application. It is similar to ‘Turn off’ your phones on the airplane type precaution.

Brilliant explanation on why you never skimp on electrical installs and a high quality finish, pleasure to watch 👍🤩

@sotaelectrical

20 күн бұрын

Thank you 🙏👍👊

A very enjoyable vlog and nice to see a professional install, safe and pleasing to the eyes. You did your nulling on the pivoted jaw of one of your clips by the way, you naughty man. 😜

@sotaelectrical

14 күн бұрын

Thank you! Such a rebel ay 🤣

I love the Henley block covering up the polarity sticker and the missing seals, the last guy must’ve been a quality spark, the ip breaches show it! At least u could pull the fuse guilt free 😜🤣😭

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Pull the fuse? I don’t know what you mean 🤣

Someones pulled the main cutout to install those meter tails in the new DB.. 🙂 oh an Eddy currents where the tails go in to the old CU in a separate fashion.

Good Job!! If the holster holder didnt cover up the old Rolec holes then seeing that you collected brick dust when drilling new hold in a dust pan then you got put some silicone in the old exposed holes and then apply the collected brick dust to stick to the clear siliocne👍

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I do 👍👍

Good job. Eddies of course with a metal box on AC. So the prewired flex is to be terminated into an exturnal double pole isolator as the charger is classed as fixed equipment being over 3Kw hence the lenth.. This is just like an AC unit, oven, shower, induction hob.... We have to do this in the EU anyways.

The added bonus of all that scrap. Nice install

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

The steel in a modern consumer unit is simply not thick enough for eddy currents to be an issue

Honestly how long Will all those plastic components last in In a sunny environment? Also with the wire It's like running an extension cord along your house , should have buried it in PVC. No matter what a person charges there has to be a better way to install this unit.

Hi from Sydney Australian. Love your work, doing well. Keep it up mate.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you mate!! 👍👍👍

Great video Adam. EVERYTHING you do is of excellent quality 👍

@sotaelectrical

Ай бұрын

Thank you sir

Nice to see some good quality install unlike the last one. Love your work ethic and unlike some channels you didn’t say it was a dodgy DIYer doing it. 😂

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you mate 👍👍

Absolutely shocking! Great work on the new charger though! I do occasionally install EV chargers don’t know how people are doing 2-3 day I easily spend most of day on some

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! Yeah 2/3 installs in a day has shortcuts written all over them. I’m a one a day and do a small job after kinda guy, take the time and do a good job 👍👍

Unfortunately the price you pay has no bearing on the quality of the install. Cheap does not necessarily mean bad and expensive does not necessarily mean good. Go with a spark or company with great word of mouth reputation, and great "Trustpilot" etc feedback,, and of course ask them to itemise the details of the install. Then you have a chance of getting a decent job.

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

Yeah sometimes this is the case and I agree with your thinking process with choosing a contractor 👍👍

Another top video mate, the best out there 🔥🔥🔥

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Jamie the legend!!!

Just for Info. Page 8 of product manual/install instructions say you can shorten the supply cable providing you use ferrules. No need to worry about affecting warranty.

@sotaelectrical

Ай бұрын

Good info thanks

Where’s the torque driver for connecting the consumer unit

Great install mate! I need that angled drill bit I have this problem all the time 😂

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

You don’t even see it coming until it’s too late 🤣

We had the same charger fitted FOA on the motorbility scheme. I assumed the junction box so clos to the charger was ,so in the future the " old outdated " charger could be changed, while the cable run from the consumer unit (the meat of the job) can be left alone?

It does make me laugh if it’s cheap it’s no good rubbish some workers are just not greedy and give a fair price but are hard to find especially if they’re young there out for the kill

Can you use an E V ultra cable outside if you don't have internet to connect your E V charger. Do you need c t monitoring.

I agree with you on everything in this video except one thing. I wouldnt use an SWA gland because it counts as an exposed conductive part. Because the PEN protection is now built into the charger itself you can still have an issue if the neutral is lost through to Earth despite the case of the charger being class 2. I use compression glands, tightened, with the armourings earthed at supply side but insulated within the charger.

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

That’s fair enough, thank you for commenting and watching my video 👍👍

Great video always enjoy watching yours. How did you connect the new board into the existing system.

@sotaelectrical

16 күн бұрын

Thank you, new tails to board mate

thanks for sharing have a great weekend

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

You too!!

Great video, but tell me when you do your live testing do you test at the charger plug through the EV adapter? when doing a loop test on No trip will it allow you to test without tripping the internal RCD. Thanks

Glad to see Eddie making a appearance 😂

You can just as easily get expensive muppets as cheap muppets. It's a mystery how to determine quality tradesmen. Price is definitely not the criteria.

Great job.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍👍

The problem with saying go cheap and get burnt really doesnt work in the real world, because plenty of people go expensive and still get burned but its even worse cos it cost a fortune!

Eddy's current bun lol

4:45 Why did you install a second Consumer Unit? The other one didn't look full.

@bas5946

2 күн бұрын

We always install a second CU when installing an EV charge point, for several reasons, One, if the customer has an older style non complaint board with no SPD etc, its cheaper to install a smaller secondary unit with everything in to bring the EV charge point install up to current regs, Two, if at some point in the future the customer decides on Solar PV with battery storage, the EV charge point is already segregated at the supply end so will not drain the ESS storage system when the car is plugged in providing the CT clamps are in the correct places.

If we use a joint box of class 2 construction it’s also important to glad it correctly so the terminated ends can’t move. 👍

@chas3997

3 ай бұрын

I’ve seen at least one installer on an ohmie using unsecured wagos in inappropriate box to join it ! 🥶😬 Not a clue !!

Great install buddy and quality work from you. Unfortunately alot if poor install work and 😢its becoming difficult to get a decebt price for our skills and workmanship. Being a plasterer looks more interesting 🤔 😂 at this moment

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you mate, appreciate your comments, yes I agree, personally I feel we are a very under valued trade for all the knowledge and skill we require

@bramcoteelectrical1088

3 ай бұрын

@sotaelectrical 100% buddy I agree with you and sorry to sound abit negative:( I think the best way is focused in niche electrical sectors and winning government tenders. Feel the domestic market now was a good cash business for us sparkies but the process of administration and the prices of parts to say comply with a fusebaord change is making it difficult. Used to do a fuseboard change for 550 and get the parts for 150 so make a very good profit. Now issue is you need say a 14 way board and has to be surge and tails 25mm and rcbo or God forbid arc fault then you talking £1000 fuseboard change and people rarely say yes to that kind of quote. Industrial is good but again alot are tied up with big electrical players. Honestly think needs to be more regulated and more training and old skool apprenticeship again

What this tells me is that the industry is unable to regulate itself. I've had crap work done but Part P self certify means it just be ok right?

I haven't heard the price for this job? How much did you charge without a charger? Thanks

But also if sparkys were not rip off merchants people would not have to go cheap😂

Great video but stop the horrendous "music" background. Totally unnecessary, particularly the thumping bass, which drowns out the voice audio.

Looks good, but, why not bury the cable again close to the house wall? I'm not a fan of cables clipped to the outside of houses.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Because of cost

@PeterChapman-rg6gr

3 ай бұрын

If you are going to bury the cable then it has to be done properly and at depth not just an inch or two below the surface.

getting to be a bit of a concern where EV charging points are appearing on houses where there is no parking and cables are being trailed across pavements etc. surely the electrician doing the job should be advising on these matters

What makita drill you getting through? I have the dh243 and its been used and abused for years , core drill holes chase out with it n it still going strong … frost / cold over winters killed a few batts tho

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

I’ve burnt out 2 of the DHR242Z drills

Great job. Go easy with the edits though😀

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

On thanks mate

I do not agree the cheapest quote means a poor install. It’s not uncommon for d highest price gives a similar standard.

Like your CAT5 solution.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

OK, but how do you choose the right firm? Because 'choose the most expensive' is no guarantee, is it?

EV owners are a Goldmine for screwing twice over.

Eddie on the roll again…

4:24 OK, what was wrong with it?

Absolutely shocking! What tuna melts did this job originally! 😂

Hey mate, can you recommend a charger with solar integration, mid range and easy install/set up?

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Hi mate the Simpson and partners of the zappi 👍

Another splendid install. The EV trade is much like the PV trade, choc full of cowboys.

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

Nice job.. not in Love with the visible cable running along the front door sill. Could the charger not be on the other side of the front door?

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, that’s just where they wanted it 👍

I’ve barely started training, but even I would be utterly embarrassed to put my name to this original work.

I had a pretty simple install and the cheapest quote I got was £500. Took him under 2 hours to do. I just feel that’s a bit overpriced for something I could have done myself

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

You never got an EV charger supplied and installed for 500

@tavi7

2 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical Installation only. The ohme was £300 on ebay

Lovely job 👍 Not a fan of the pre flex chargers too! More shit you’ve got to mount to the wall 😢

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thanks mate

How much did the customer pay previously? £100?

Apsolute Quality Sir 👌👊👊⚡⚡⚡⚡

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Thank you sir 👍👍👍

How did you isolate the supply to remove old and install new

@sotaelectrical

15 күн бұрын

It’s a submain board mate

Do these home's have PME fault detection, and load limiting?

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Yes the charger does

This new charger is more hassle than it should be 😂

is the purpose of the swa being in a stuffing gland not to provide separation between the PME system that the swa will be earthed on and the TT system that the EV charger will be earthed on?

@adamseddon1555

2 ай бұрын

just watched further on hahaha

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣

Not to pick bones 😂 but i do ev installs , firstly you could do a neater job inside your fuseboard install its all abit meh and secondly the ohme charger connects to the bracket with three screws not one, the top one is in purely so the bracket does not fall out , im sure you put the others in when you found them in the screw packs in the box. Apart from that it was an ok install .

@antyteistapolskix3275

2 ай бұрын

Well said😊 as electrician I do neat job in fuse box as well

@scorchio70

2 ай бұрын

Love it, here he is slamming others when he could have done a better job himself....Hypocrite!

What is a sensible quote on this job, I’ve had 1 quote and it’s a lot higher than expected!

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

What was the figure you were given and I will let you know if it’s high or not

@davidabbs4459

2 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical 2900

@davidabbs4459

2 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical 2900

@davidabbs4459

2 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical quote was 2900 my comment seems to keep being removed though

@davidabbs4459

2 ай бұрын

If you fancy some work in London also feel free to quote me for an install.

Health and safety is very good here 😂😂😂

I much preferred the buried cable. More wall-warts and visible cables strapped to the front of the house. No thank you!

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

It wasn’t buried to any acceptable depth

@pj2123

2 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical so bury it deeper! as you implied you aren't the cheapest.

looked good from my house when i left it haha

Absolutely^

The issue with getting someone in to do trades work is that however much you pay you're never immune from getting ripped off. At least if you end up with a shit job you can console yourself that at least you didn't pay top whack for it. (Am I cynical, probably. But that's from paying over the odds for crap work in the past. I tend to do most things myself nowadays - wouldn't take on an EVC though, I'm not daft).

@judebrown4103

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I think the next time I employ someone not only will I get quotes but I'll also get independent references with pictures and video ideally! In fact I think I'll make sure I get someone with a KZread channel so I can see them at work first😂

Cost is no indication of quality. I've seen jobs like that which are nowhere near the cheapest. Prices are gouged by stating exactly the same, "we charge more because we do a better job with higher quality" is a typical line everybody uses. Charging points are far too expensive to install, out of the question for the average household which is another reason why EVs sales are stagnant. Someone will come along with a much better way.

@dr_jaymz

2 ай бұрын

Thinking outside the box. One attribute to the costs are that only a qualified sparky can make all connections, on this video there are many connections to make, options for cables, the quality of the various junction boxes - all opportunities to scrimp or screw it up. If Elon came along he'd suggest that you come up with a smart way to measure the job up, then custom manufacture the whole thing in a factory with quality control and testing into hermetically sealed blocks to include everything right back to the meter connection. The install can then be largely carried out by a nonce pulling the cable through and screwing it to the wall with only the final connection requiring someone sprinkled with pixie dust. I can only find 33 issues to solve with this approach. It just needs a kickstarter to raise 10 million in investment and then I can do a runner with that (like they all do).

hey do you think you can link all the tools you use in the description ?

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

If I get time il do that for you 👍

@amxr1589

3 ай бұрын

Thanks sir

Excellent video. We need you in every corner of the country and people wouldn't get cowboys. Wish you lived my way. Notice you're not using the dust collector any more. Did the pan get jealous. 😅 Have a great weekend.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Hi Richard, thank you for your comments, very kind and appreciated!! The dust collector is no longer in use because the drill has died 🙁

Main switch???

Yes the cheapest quote is not the best one and nore is the dearest one just saying some are greedy and some were not

Eddy must of fitted the DB

Even if you go for the cheapest quote isn't it supposed to be of a minimum standard at least ... Or does this poor instal actually comply?

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

It does not comply. The trouble is, no one is inspecting these installs

I thought Rolec had pen protection built in, why TT the system 🤔

@funnycatvideos5490

3 ай бұрын

Easy money

Worth noting that cutting the moulded plug on washing machines, fridges etc will also invalidate the warranty. Checked this with major manufacturers.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Great info to share!!

@barnabybot

3 ай бұрын

If installed by a legally competent electrician, it doesnt invalidate the warranty.

@Romeworld95

3 ай бұрын

Depends on the manufacturer. For example, Velux windows allow their moulded fly leads to be cut without invalidating the warranty of the electric windows

@TheRCBiker

3 ай бұрын

@@barnabybot”legally competent”? 🤔

@mikeselectricstuff

3 ай бұрын

It is not legal for them to deny warranty coverage for things like that which are not the cause of a fault

Don't use the whiska box as they are too big. Get an ip adaptable box from the merchants. Just drill 2 25mm stuffers on the bottom and bobs your auntie

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Ok il try that next time 👍

I saw you slagging of the work that was done by a an unqualified diy fitted on a sunday homeowner you vetted about important it is to use certified fitters ,we didnt see you digging a 1.30 meter deep trench across the yard to bury the armoured 13amp flex

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

What 13A flex and what yard are you going on about??

Could u put omee on a 32a plug

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

I’m afraid not

@granvillebloor6569

3 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical sow why do cars come with a 13amp charger with it and another charge lead

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

@@granvillebloor6569 so you can trickle charge your car

Must of had a mate called eddy

Artisans been there with the swa in stuffing glands😢😢 Seriously though Adam, what else would you expect from a Rolec Approved install?😢

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Nothing good from what I have seen so far on all the Rolex jobs I have come across unfortunately

@SME_Ste

3 ай бұрын

@@sotaelectrical ha ha, i bet people wished they were to Rolex quality

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

@@SME_Ste 🤣 bloody auto correct

Wonder what Ze they were getting on that shoddy TT

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Nothing good I imagine

@jacktissington

3 ай бұрын

Probably tested it from the van lol

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

@@jacktissington most probably!!

You should use the white/grey nails for the Spit. Theyre a cleaner finish as its meant to sheer off the white leaving just a flush nail. As opposed to the orange ones

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Ok il give them a go 👍

Cutting the cable does not void the warranty I spoke to my Ohme rep, it’s only if you don’t ferrule the cable ends. They also put in a recent newsletter not to use screw terminals for the JB.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Ok interesting! I have heard mixed reports on this now

@Tom-nx9ou

2 ай бұрын

What you will use if not screw terminals?

Those tails look great, in their own hole , 😂 Eddie may pay a visit lol ummmm

That's ruff af

These videos generate me smile always. UK is somewhere in shorly after war time with electric distribution on end customers. One of last countries where is not 3 face in every property, flat etc. These chargers delivery such a small power to charge electric vehicles. With 3 face is completly different story.

@M9dq76

3 ай бұрын

Well what and how do you suggest doing about it then and are you happy to pay for it? Sure - if we knew now what we didn't know then we would have done this differently. I'm sure there are things we are doing now which in 50 years time will seem insane. I'm sure I install stuff which I think are future proofed in my house which in 10 years are made irrelevant. The facts are simple in most cases. Only a single phase was brought in underground to each property from the street. to change that for umpteen millions properties now would be horrendously expensive. ...and it's spelt 3 phase.

@kaasmeester5903

2 ай бұрын

On the other hand, UK homes have been getting 100A hookups for years, haven’t they? The standard here in NL is either 1x 35A (older homes) or 3x25A, and if you want anything heavier (you might with a heat pump and EV charger), your fixed fee jumps from €200 a year to €800.

Customer buys 100k EV can’t pay a couple hundred bucks for a legit circuit installation 🤦‍♂️ Or the unlucky ppl who have the breaker box so far away form garage 🤷‍♂️ 😅

@blower1

3 ай бұрын

Well to put it more like reality.......customer gets an EV on company lease/HP paying £350-£450 a month, doesn't want to pay £1000-£1500 up front for expensive charger install.

WTF... name and shame the city and guilds am2 electrician who obviously did a EV charge installation course and is #ROLEC certified, so future and current customers can seek legal advice

It doesn’t matter what come along the cowboys are always out in force , spent a large part of my time rectifying such work but thankfully I’m long retired . What I will say it has little to do with pride in their work , it’s more a case of total inability in the first place . And don’t get me started on the likes of the NIC , who do little to prevent this happening in the first place . I certainly don’t blame the customers , who have no idea what is involved in electrical work and why should they . It’s going to be down to the industry itself to become more proactive , to do a bit more naming and shaming of these parasites that blight the trade and put lives at risk in the process . Sorry but I get a bit P off when people get fleeced , and a good guy has to be brought in to pick up the pieces . Yes you can argue it’s all work , but it should be done right in the first place . Regards an old misery guts 😂

Ahahaha I don’t know how customers are happy to pay at the end when the job looks “complete” like that common sense is what the general public lack.

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Yes agreed 👍👍

Go Milwaukee, you won't be disappointed

@sotaelectrical

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice 👍👍

It's a Bus bar, not a Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bar

@sotaelectrical

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I know I literally wrote it that way in the video