My understanding is that the Frameworks line is launching ~end of March. I think the player characters are going to be more popular than the Kobolds :-) kzread.info/dash/bejne/an5o3NB_j7aYdJM.html

@HauntedCorpseGaming

2 жыл бұрын

More than the cost of lunch bet less than two lunches.... So good. :D

@rickybobbypaints8478

2 жыл бұрын

thank you for being honest about the price because you are correct they shouldnt be that expensive

@kendric2000-q3d

2 жыл бұрын

So....wait until September when the expensive unsold packs go on clearance.

@InFerrumVeritas

2 жыл бұрын

The bits for the PCs looked pretty cool.

@oliviersoable

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Framework for dnd caracthers. Nolzur for the rest are way cheaper

I feel like at this point it would be cheaper for a hobbyist to become an established YT mini personality and get promo from the company than it would be to purchase them

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

True. I honestly might be one of a very small group of people to ever paint those kobolds... which is silly and sad...

@Subcomandante73

2 жыл бұрын

Given that they will send out stuff to almost anyone who will shill, this is a good idea. This is why the rest of us are expected to pay so much :p

@smoker420la

2 жыл бұрын

Objective truth speaks

@Blandco

2 жыл бұрын

No. It wouldn't. Trust me.

@thedungeondelver

2 жыл бұрын

A webcam and decent lights < buying all of those minis he's got onscreen.

I thought that the price was a little expensive until you showed the competition, and then I found out how ridiculously expensive they really are. Great video altogether!

@Kconv1

Жыл бұрын

The competition is a 3d printer and resin.. resin is down to almost 20$ a Kilo and that makes at least 30 man sized figures.

So I imagine you don't have much time to see/read comments on 2 month old videos, but I thought you might like to hear some anecdotal evidence on the popularity of these sets 2 months in. I manage a FLGS in Southern Ontario, with the launch of this line we ordered 2 of every pack and dedicated a whole spec to them on the wall. Since then we have reordered almost all of the player characters, some (mostly the Elf Ranger) we have reordered multiple times. We still have the 2 original boxes of Kobolds and Orcs.

@jgbfc

Жыл бұрын

dear god. thats not good.

@coalzilla8567

3 ай бұрын

LOL. The orcs are 36 on Amazon right now. I think I'll order 2 sets of them soon, because hey that deal ain't too bad! But yeah, 50? For a bunch of lackeys? Nobody that pays attention to their money will pay that!

They missed their advertising opportunity: “30+ Kobold Jars of Mystery - ASTOUNDING VALUE - 7 FREE KOBOLDS!!!”

I appreciate the work you did comparing the pricing to other companies. Not only does it show how absurd the pricing is, but it also helps point people in the direction of far more affordable boxes. Your paint jobs were great as always though!

With so much empty space, especially on the kobold sprues, they should have just put two full models on each.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

yupyup! :-)

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

They wouldn't even need to cut out any of the pots to do it. That's how barren the sprues are. Honestly, I'm wondering if the pots were only included _because_ they were trying to fill space. One wonders why they didn't just put them all on a smaller sprue, if they were going to give you so little.

@thomaswhite8251

2 жыл бұрын

came to say the exact same. The one kobold per sprue was comical

@captainparty

2 жыл бұрын

Sprue layout isn’t as simple as just laying out more models where there is room, you have to account for the physics of molten plastic at high pressure. That’s why GW, which has spent a lot of money on developing the tech and specialisation to make great plastic kits, can pack more into their sprues than most other companies. It’s an expensive process that took them years to perfect, so we are seeing a company that hasn’t learned how to best take advantage of the medium.

@thomaswhite8251

2 жыл бұрын

@@captainparty nope, refuse to believe it. Put the plastic goop in the wonky pot, bish bash bosh, magic happens and hay presto, Kobolds! (the edge spacers to keep each sprue separate from one another is a cool idea and i hope they get up to GW level of layout as i really did like the look of those kobolds)

Before I knew that miniatures came in different scales, I purchased a large bag of pig faced orcs only to realize that they were 15 mm in scale. Based them, primed them with red primer and, long story short, I have a wave of Kobolds that I can use for a fraction of the cost. Metal figures, too!

@shigerufan1

2 жыл бұрын

Can do a Zelda themed encounter and call them bokoblins

They price Kobolds and Orcs the same at $50 You say: "People expect bigger models to cost more" (clearly revering to the Kobolds being waaaay overpriced) The message they get: "So the Orcs will be $70 now"

The Goobertown Brand has always been an even-handed, well-spoken brand. This level of integrity is, therefor, not a huge surprise. It is still welcome. Great review.

I love kobolds, but not 50$ for 7. I really like reaper kobolds, but for a much better deal there is Shrine of the Kobold Queen which has 20 kobolds for 40-50$, including snake cavalry and basilisks.

@Ducknuck84

2 жыл бұрын

2nd on the reaper kobolds and between having backed the last 2 kickstarters I have like 20 of them, pretty much set for anything short of Tucker's kobolds scenario

@martinMARTIN244

2 жыл бұрын

3rd on reaper kobolds! I use those guys all the time

@tempestvenator9809

2 жыл бұрын

Might just settle for the Kobold Queen box if I want reptilian Kobolds instead of the dog Kobolds everyone keeps on making.

@martinMARTIN244

2 жыл бұрын

@@tempestvenator9809 Honestly they are so tiny I doubt anyone would notice..but if it's one of those "But I'LL NOTICE" kind of deals then yeah I suppose that's the way to go!

@jasonstatham5879

2 жыл бұрын

That Shrine of the Kobold Queen, is that the Epic Encounters one from Steamforged Games? Yeah, that $50 price tag on them is a lot more fair that this WK offering. Almost 3 times the Kobolds, double sided mat, an adventure book and "tips and tricks" for running the encounter. What's in the box? -20 Detailed Kobold Minis (including NINE unique sculpts!) -Double-Sided Game Mat -Adventure Book with Monster Stats -Tips and tricks for running an awesome encounter (that work for any RPG game)

I love hard plastic to work with too - but damn, when Games Workshop are coming out ahead on value you know you're in trouble! Once again, us forever DMs get screwed over :(

@lord6hearts

2 жыл бұрын

Might as well start using our old Lego-dudes as minis.

@RocRolDis

2 жыл бұрын

Ahead in value? If GW was selling these, it'd be 5 orcs for $60 USD

@basstedson

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocRolDis did you actually watch this video?

@mandasity

2 жыл бұрын

3d printer. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

@Chris-jl6vp

2 жыл бұрын

Buy on Etsy and eBay. That’s what I do for my mini needs.

I know 3D printing isn't for everyone. But man, if this isn't another huge reason to invest in an entry level resin printer, then I don't know what is

@Tiyev

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird but somehow inevitable that a company that isn't Games Workshop is overpricing plastic miniatures like they were Games Workshop. I guess putting Monsters of the Multiverse exclusively in a 3 book bundle of books with 2 other books that already came out a while ago and most players already own was just the beginning of DnD product being sold like Warhammer product...

@leonardwisniewski3418

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the truth. 21 kobolds or a resin printer that can make you a fleet, with not much more investment.

@ZentaWinds

2 жыл бұрын

The fact resin is toxic and all of that makes me worried with trying that stuff

@benterry2681

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tiyev Monsters of the multiverse is being released next month on it's own. the collections was just an early way to get your hands on it. I think they are thinking they can sell like GW but aren't considering that Nolzur's exists and that if they could most Warhammer players would happily be buying prebuilt mini's at a 5th of the cost if GW released them. Also D&D doesn't have the whole "Game legal" GW mini thing or even the need for mini's so they aren't required to play and no issue using cheaper or competitor models.

@thesqeaky

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZentaWinds Just be smart about it and it's no biggie. I have an Elegoo resin printer and you can buy carbon filters that go inside the housing and as long as you wear gloves while handling it's all pretty safe.

I laughed out loud at the "There's lots of extra bits on these sprues... and they're all jars" line

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of jars. Some urns. one boot too. I forgot to mention the boot. :-)

The price of that Kobold kit is JARring (please tell me I am the first to make that pun)

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

FIRST

@Himle_

2 жыл бұрын

*rofl* Nice one! And yeah, when companies make GW look good, price wise, something is.. Wrong

As a fan of Atlantic Wargames this pricing is laughable.

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Wargames Atlantic _should_ make their own Kobold kit, yes. They'd make a fortune.

@popburnsy3207

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bluecho4 right? They could sweep the market with affordable horde type beastie kits.

Insane that the vastly superior quality, much more varied options and famously expensive GW Orruks are cheaper than this. How they decided these prices is beyond me

They look super cool, but I agree about price. Yeah injection molds cost a ton to get started, but each injection mold costs barely anything. If they want a 50$ price point, just give me more models in that box. I'll buy em!

Thanks Brent, all i could think of was, "Available in a bargin bin in your local store 6- 12 months after release for the price it should have been nearer to. "

This makes me really sad as a forever DM. I was really hopeful when these were first announced that we'd finally have an inexpensive source for reliable, customizable polystyrene mooks that every DM needs en masse. Thank you for putting this price into context with competitors!

Great video Brent!!!! I think your analysis of the prices here is a good one, however I don't think the large price will matter to most hardcore D&D players who will be buying these, a lot of whom aren't aware of things like Games Workshop, 3D printing, or any other alternatives aside from Nolzur's and maybe Reaper. The players will buy the player character models which are priced really well, and the DMs will probably not care that the monsters are overpriced, because they will just have to buy each set ONCE in their life (if they dont already have a set of orcs and kobolds that they like). There is also something to be said for high quality, OFFICIAL D&D miniatures, based on art from the monster manual, which is something that hasn't existed since 2001's chainmail line, I think certain lifestyle DMs will buy the whole set for this reason (I would have at the peak of my D&D playing)

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Oh those people are definitely out there! Wyrmwood table + dwarvenforge terrain + some wizkids kobolds ;-) It'll be very interesting to see how the launch goes.

@DanaHowl

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies same I'm excited and if this line ends up flopping im gonna pick all these up on sale!!!!!

@JCPRuckus

2 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree that some small amount of people who would really like these exist. But how many of them will be willing to pay luxury prices for less than luxury quality minis? I guess the question is, is this line supposed to be mainstream or an extremely low volume prestige offering? Because the internet exists, and it would only take 30 seconds to find any of these other kits if you care about value for money at all. So I don't know how many people will be aware of these, but incapable of finding more reasonably priced options. Which leaves the only reason to buy these being if overpaying is the point. Like Brent said, being "one of the few on Earth" to have these.

@nickdefrancis

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCPRuckus yep, and usually luxury lines come out after a well established core set exists for the masses. See platinum edition of various modules that go for like $200+. There’s still a core module released. And this just tells me they’re not planning on making hard plastic minis for the masses :(

@MistImp1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not concerned about price, but value is important. I am one of those people with the custom game table and tons of Dwarven Forge terrain, probably over 100k minis going all the way back to genuine lead from the 70’s. I will not be buying these. The value isn’t there. I am also pretty certain that the gamers at my flgs won’t be buying them either. They don’t want to fork out more than $5 to have someone paint their Reaper mini for them. Spend $50 on 7 kobolds? Won’t happen.

These prices are like an elaborate joke! They didn't think GW was a good pricing model to go off of, did they?

@lv100Alice

2 жыл бұрын

they hvae been fiughting with who can make someone bring the most about of books to a game for years... now it's spreading to the miniatures

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Normally competition is GOOD for consumers... I'm baffled by what's happening in this case hahahha :-)

@lostsanityreturned

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously they didn't think GW was a good price point to base their models on. They are charging a lot more for less detailed models ;)

@toferkrz946

2 жыл бұрын

These are not anywhere near even GW prices. 50$ buys you twenty AoS grots from GW, not seven. And I'm pretty sure you'd get a couple bucks change even when buying direct at full MSRP. These very badly designed and thought out, Chinese plastics are priced like boutique resin models for some reason.

@doomguy9049

2 жыл бұрын

@@toferkrz946 Yeah they’re about twice as much per model as GW “Orruks” which is nuts, they’d better be hand carved out of ivory or something at that price. Probably they did just base the MSRP off of GW’s pricing model without matching that number of miniatures per box which is totally bonkers.

I’ve found that many of the older D&D models disappointed me with either their quality or their lack of customization, when frameworks was announced I was excited for what that meant for my players and monsters but now I’m just excited for my players. It looks like there isnt a ton of spare material in the monster kits on top of everything. I hope this line is successful and we see some cool new models at a better price in the future!

That group shot at the end with the painted minis and dice for scale was great, then I remembered that's apparently one hundred dollar's worth of miniatures! That's wild!

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

yeah..... nice picture tho! :-)

Another great video, Brent. Thanks for the thorough and fair review. Despite the ridiculous price per mini it was nice to see them painted! For that price, I think I would look for oldschool metal minis that would last 100 years. Another thing - I really hope you upload videos more frequently in the future. Mini paint roulette, talk about restoring tables, fishing with space marines, you name it. Its always a relaxing moment to watch your videos.

For the price of 1 box of each, I could get the orc Loot month, the kobold Loot month and 1.5 kg of resin (which would print an awful lot of the minis.) I believe Wizards rolled a Nat 1 on this.

I’m almost wondering if they figured that most DM’s would never need a huge number of Orcs or Kobolds(figuring on smaller encounters in game) and priced according to that? “7 Orcs is plenty for a regular DnD game!” Basic conclusion here looks to be that you should buy your kobolds anywhere other than Wizkids.

@Illersvansen

2 жыл бұрын

7 Orcs maybe, but 7 kobolds is barely a challenge for even a lvl 1 party. Hell, I've run encounters with over 30 of them.

@TheSmuey

2 жыл бұрын

Well, for orcs maybe, but kobolds? I mean, they are almost the very definition of a creature that does extremely well in large numbers. They have Pack Tactics for a reason

@dralasitevrusk903

2 жыл бұрын

Or you buy the Wizkids 3 packs of non-sprue deep cuts kobolds for $5 each ;)

@randomcitizen943

2 жыл бұрын

@@Illersvansen nah, Loot's Orconspiracy is only 30 and 1kg of resin is about 25. You pay 5.00 more but end up with a *ton* of minis including a very nice troll in 75 mm.

@Ducknuck84

2 жыл бұрын

ya seven is nothing if you have ever had to upscale a game for a large group. Ran the first part of Lost Mines for 8 people and I think we ended up with like 9-12 Gobs for the first encounter

This is how a review should be done. Honest and without fear or favour. Super enjoyable video!

Great that you showed the price comparison to the other Orc models on the market! This kinda feels like a swing and a miss to me. I've got a bunch of Nolzur's Kobolds painted and that's gonna be enough for any encounter I'm ever gonna run, just not in the market for these little guys.

Cool! Interesting that it says "Made in China" on the sprue, as opposed to GW who still make theirs in GB (besides terrain etc). There seems to be a lot of empty space on some of them, like GW used to have before they went all-digital for the sculpting.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, the sprue spacing definitely reminds me of early GW plastics.

I love you! This is one of the best reviews you've done and you are one of the best reviewers around. I hope you're having a good winter.

" . . . priced by an absolute madman . . . " Your understated style was perfect for that line!

Thanks for this video! Wizkids has definitely been increasing their prices tremendously on all fronts. They released a colossal, prepainted White Dragon a year ago for $100(where they also tried to not paint it, which we've also seen a lot of other examples of, but that's a different story), and now they're releasing an equally large Red Dragon for $400. Their newest set of prepainted minis in blind boosters are fewer than before at a higher price. And remember, when they first took over from the old DDM line, they halved the amount of minis in a booster, from 8 in the old line, to 4 in Wizkids "Icons of the Realms" line.) When I first got the news of the Frameworks series, I was happy, because from a logical point of view that ought to have meant more official minis at a lower price than Nolzur(which are preassembled and preprimed), and at the same time probably the highest quality sculpts Wizkids would make. I was looking at competitors, thinking it surely wouldn't *exceed* GW's similar products. How wrong i was. At least it seems I was right about the quality. But what good is that when it's not going to sell? I'd love that set of kobolds, but I'm not spending $50 on 7 tiny minis like that. I'm pretty much done with Wizkids at this point. At the very least, I'll only be buying second hand or at clearance sales.

I was really excited to see these coming out…..until I saw the pricing! Thanks for the preview and price commentary! With luck they will make some changes as per your comments (10 sprees per box and more competitive pricing)

Always so genuine and chill. I would love to have a dude like you at the gaming table any day Brent. Great stuff.

1:49 “I am one of the few people on earth who will ever use this model kit.” Gold!

GW looking at this prices and raised his Fist: finally a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting competition to lower prices... how wrong I was... ;-)

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

It's like Alien Vs Predator. Whoever wins, the customer loses.

@Zabzim

2 жыл бұрын

The plastic is worse through

I like how the prices went from 2000 GW to 2020 GW. Hard plastic? How well do the kits work with Testors Plastic Glue?

@lv100Alice

2 жыл бұрын

pretty sure these arew 2030 gw prices

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! It's polystyrene, so anything sold as plastic glue/ plastic cement should work :-) edit: I used testors extra thin cement

@SuperDuperHappyTime

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies You do good work brother!

“I’m one of the few people on Earth who will EVER use this model kit...” Priceless. I admire your boundless positivity as well as your painting skill. Bravo, sir. Be well, and keep up the fine work.

I love the way you approach everything with a sense of wonder and an open mind. Your channel is a very welcome source of positivity in this hobby!

It also seems that the sprues are very empty, they could have packed way more in those sprues for the price!

Great paint job Brent and a wonderful breakdown of the baffling.

If I need a Kobold horde for a RPG I'd go for the Reaper bones options anytime. Not only is the price massively more appealing, I don't want to be mucking around with tiny little parts and assembly for some mooks that I need in large numbers for the party to chop through

This is exactly why i follow your videos. Thanks so much man! Keep up the great work

2:06 there's enough room on that sprue alone for 7 kobolds

Awesome review. Love to hear your honest opinions on these products, so we know what we're getting into. ALSO, I have to say that Twenty-Sided Realms has quickly become one of my favorite DnD podcasts and I can't say enough good things about it. I'll be ordering a T-shirt at the end of this week. Anyone who is a fan of this channel needs to check the podcast out.

Your painting has come a long way in the last year Brent! Love the work, and the video!

I love the $50 dollar bill backdrop on the Kobolds at the end hahah.

Shame about the flagrant price-gouging for average-quality miniatures. On the other hand, I'm a fan of great paint-jobs and including gorgeous cats in videos.

I had the opportunity to stock these in my store and I couldn't justify putting them on the shelf at their price tag versus Nolzurs minis or 3D printing

The drybrush of the highlights on the dagger at 11:57 are sublime. Well done.

An awesome review Brent, I love your honesty. Thanks

Expensive sprue models just in time for resin 3d printing to make buying minis obsolete

@bloodsbane

2 жыл бұрын

That was my thought - $50? That's a decent quality bottle of resin right there. Gonna get quite a bit more than 7 kobolds out of that.

@euansmith3699

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂👍

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

I love me some 3d printed kobolds, but I think we all need the life experience of being kids and peer pressuring each other into buying minis at the games store. Maybe not these kobolds tho, little billy doesn't have that kind of cash! ;-)

This seems like there probably was poor communication in terms of sprue layout, liken they'd already committed to having 5 separate sprues with 1 kobold per sprue when they could have easily fit 2 per sprue and given consumers a much better deal. The machining costs are a huge part of plastic production, so the more unique sprues the more expensive the kit. With 2 per sprue and 2 sets of each, you suddenly have a box of 8 at less than half the machining costs...

Lovely cat

I'm really digging that big orc lad with the fancy armour and the great axe. He seems like a nice chap

These look really cool, I would actually buy these for a more reasonable price, they look really high quality and exactly what I’ve been looking for for a while, hope the prices go down!

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I hope they see this feedback :-)

@frontline989

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the sculpts are great but lots of people have great sculpts these days. You have to put out a competitive product and that doesn’t mean you jump to the extreme end of the pricing spectrum.

Finally, we get to see the models that were hyped up on Kobold Talk last week!

Another fantastic video and review. Thank you brother. The paint job looks awsome.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

hey thanks! :-)

"I'm one of the few people on Earth who will ever use this model kit"... Stunningly savage. Made all the more savage by the fact that you weren't trying to be savage... Lol

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see painted kobolds popping up on instagram... but I'm afraid there won't be too many.... ;-)

It’s so interesting to see such a sparse sprue/frame after being used to say… contemporary Necromunda models. On pricing, I'd hazard that the cost of producing the molds are relatively equivalent, even if the resulting models are different scales. I really like those stackable corner bits, that's a really clever idea I'd hope that GW would steal.

Checking this out right now Brent. I was saving the orcs for a paint/assemble night at my FLGS. I've enjoyed the larger models of Frameworks tremendously, the small ones anger my sausage fingers. =) Thanks for the preview of what to expect and for the link to P2L in your description!

@euansmith3699

2 жыл бұрын

And, one does not want to anger the sausage-fingers! 😂 I've got ham-fists instead.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, is THAT why you started with the ogre?? :-)

@GMAtank

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies mindflayer, ogre, drider... But yes. You're a Saint for handling those Kobolds. Might as well be tardigrades to me! :)

@Decado1628

2 жыл бұрын

Those kobolds do not look like they would be fun to assemble.

As always a great video. The comparison was super informative, a legendary action ☺️

You’re such an inspiration man, thanks again for the great content!!!

Of all the creatures that couldve had crazy awesome little bits it would definitely be Kobolds. They couldve had so many cool mischievous "weapons." Such a missed opportunity

@digitaldeviltry

2 жыл бұрын

Kobolds are known for stealing and hoarding tiny ceramic pots, as everyone knows.

At first I thought "Oh wow, I guess they're just testing if they can sell their mini's at games workshop prices..." So thank you for pointing out how much more these are then games workshop. I was just looking at boneharvesters and the fact I could buy one boneharvester or 7 kobolds for the same price is almost comical. Hopefully this doesn't hurt the frameworks line too much in the future, more variety in minis is always nice.

I love how positive your delivery is ✌️

On a sidenote, I need to thank you, Brent. I bought Gloomhaven - Jaws of the lion six months ago and had it not been for you the miniatures included would still be unpainted. As it is I have stumbled back into a hobby I have not indulged for decades. No big armies for me, though. But it is fun to make a game that little bit more colourful. Anyway, the point is this: without this channel I would not have even considered painting them. Thank you!

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

That's so awesome! I'm really glad that you're painting now, keep goin keep goin!!! :-)

@Erkynar

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies Will do. I mean, why not? It's fun. :)

They have some cool sculpts. Those prices though, ouchie mama! It's making me appreciate that 3D printer even more LOL.

@jimbobjones9330

2 жыл бұрын

I know. At this price point, you may as well go for a 3D printer. Tons of amazing artists out there, and you can get tons of figures for cheap. I'd hate to think what they'd charge in this line for the ship from this month's (March) Loot Studios bundle: www.loot-studios.com/bundle (Sure, that thing will probably take a full bottle of resin, but that's $40)

@Caspero68o

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbobjones9330 we have a membership with loot studio. They are awesome.

@jimbobjones9330

2 жыл бұрын

@@Caspero68o I've had one for about 6 months now and have SO many things I want to print from them. (OK, so I also added about 4 extra months of their "past bundles" to get some loyalty rewards :-) ) So many great talents out there that I couldn't imagine spending $50 on a handful of kobolds (no matter how nice they are)

@Caspero68o

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbobjones9330 we need part for our printer, unfortunately. But you better bet we are still down loading them. Did you see that ship?🤯🥰

@jimbobjones9330

2 жыл бұрын

@@Caspero68o I saw the ship. I have a Saturn, so I'm waiting for them to have the multipart models (unless they added them in the last couple of days), because I really need a huge, multi-level pirate ship... I don't have any pirate games going on at the moment, but some things stand on principal :-D

As a forever DM, I'm probably the target market for these minis. Usually I just need a couple models for whatever encounter I'm putting together and if they look vaguely like what they're supposed to be, that's great! After the encounter, the minis go into a box and I might never use them again. This is where my 3d printer comes in handy. I can find one model I like and print 10 of them or whatever for almost nothing. The models don't look nearly as nice, but I don't feel bad about dumping them in a box with a bunch of other minis that have served their purpose.

@XPainMaster

2 жыл бұрын

Do you paint them after print or you just play with them straight out of the printer?

@ElectricalInsanity

2 жыл бұрын

@@XPainMaster it depends on how much time and motivation I have. About half of my printed minis are painted

The passive aggressive way you cut down the pricing was the nicest slash I’ve seen. Well done!

This is a fantastic , critical review! Thank you!

I for one am glad that Kobold kit is around, where else am I gonna get tiny jars?

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

This guy understands! :-)

@Vanye111

2 жыл бұрын

Ebay? 😅

@eBayMiniatureRescues

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vanye111 lol. I mean yeah…but these are obviously premium jars we’re talkin here!!

I am absolutely the target market. Big into DnD, accustomed to GW price points, and have a comfortable enough disposable income. I absolutely baulked at these prices.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Right? I hope they're seeing this feedback! :-)

Is this the first episode of Kobold Talks!? Love you content

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed it is!! :-)

Excellent review as always

I’m pretty willing to spend big bucks on stuff like characters and whatnot, but oof, that’s money for models that probably won’t be on the table much. I typically use figures for players and tokens for monsters because I don’t wanna have 10 of the same minis repeatedly on the board through encounters

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Especially if they're Kobolds, which will stick on the board for maybe one round of combat.

@popburnsy3207

2 жыл бұрын

Plus, you only need one or two characters per campaign which could last months if not years. $15 might sound like a lot for a mini, but you'll likely stick with it for awhile.

Tbh, I'd expect kobolds and orks to cost the same, but be significantly more of them

Appreciate the honest review.

Great paint job Brent. I’m definitely interested in those 25 dollar monster kits. I don’t play DND but love beholders and from the brief glimpse you shared it looks like a great model.

I'm just getting ready to print a small force of Kobolds. I wonder how they compare in quality and price. It looks like there's an awful lot of wasted sprue compared to the amount of model per sprue

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Have fun! I painted some of the lost adventures 3d printed kobolds recently... kobolds are great!! :-)

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

You're honestly better off buying 3D printed resin Kobolds off of Etsy. They'll probably be more monopose, but you'll have your pick of artist. And most will only be around $5 per Kobold, which is still a better deal than this.

You said expensive and I still wasn't picturing $50 for the kobolds, wow.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

yeah... these are in serious danger of becoming a meme.

@kassy6373

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies The golden kobold horde!

Fantastic video. Very informative and surprising.

Like the quality inspectors throughout the video .

I don't play the games, but I love painting full armies and putting them up on display. I had high hopes for this line, I REALLY wanted my next army to not be a GW army. But these prices suck.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

check out mantic / warlord / parabellum wargames / wargames atlantic / North Star Miniatures - I wish you luck in finding something that inspires you!! :-)

I love the look of those little kobolds - they have a lot of character! That being said, they’ve outdone GW in terms of pricing. I hope if they produce further sets of this line they put more miniatures in the set, lower their price points, and add more modularity to the sets. I won’t hold my breath though and will continue to print my kobolds for a fraction of that price.

I gotta say, I love the transparant bases, so you can see the battlemats and terrain and the stackable sprues blew my mind.

Hello Brent!! been seeing your vids for quite some time now, but just recently subscribed, I started painting minis this January and fell in love with it (don't know anything about how to play though), your videos, Midwinter Minis and Miniac are the videos I see the most, but have to say your's are my favorites, I myself have a small channel (just as a hobby) where I posted my first mini, hope you have time to see it... it's in spanish though hehe. all the love from Mexico!!! take care and keep on making these amazing videos!!... I'll see if I tackle a roulette challenge like yours hehe

I think you've done a great service to these models. They do seem pretty detailed! And, possibly WizKids is trying to ride on the wave of fame now that WOTC is upping their approach on the market (it's not like they haven't been leading it already though). Oh well, we'll see. IMO budget will always be a question though.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! They're good models, I hope I'm not the only person who ever paints them ;-)

Check out Wargames Atlantic goblins kit, 30 goblins for $35. And it is compatible with the giant spider kit to make spider riding goblins.

@timberry4709

2 жыл бұрын

Beat me to it. 😁

@MrBlackjimrogan

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, that sounds awesome

@ponderingturtle2720

2 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally OnTableTop put out a unboxing of the set today as well kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJyZo6uIpM-Tf5s.html

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

Oh thanks! :-)

"This is not a ranting video" **Proceeds to dish the hell out of wizkidz with passive/agressive talk** Loved it.

Hey, great timing! Just this morning I was hoping to see a new GooberTown video! Seems like it’s been awhile since I’ve caught one. Great review.

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

right on! I hope you're having a great day :-)

It’s a shame that these are as overpriced as they are because they do look great. I still am not sure these would be for me even if they were priced more reasonably, though. I’m not a huge fan of having to waste bits/options because I can only build one figure. If sets like this came with a number of bodies equal to the bits then I would have no issue, but they don’t. Probably number two reason I’ve never gotten into warhammer and stuff like that…number one being the prices, of course. For these sets, specifically, there are just far too many good, hassle free, much more reasonably priced options for me to ever destabilize my budget for them. I mean, what were they thinking? I can buy some of those cheaper options from WizKids themselves…I don’t think these are going to sell well for them, and I hope they find a way to price more reasonably and not just axe the line. If they do the latter, it would be quite a shame for the folks who *are* interested in these highly customizable figures.

Damn Those kobolds look very small for such a big price tag ... And they don't even have a cool wings option ✌️💚

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

... That's a good point! I've only recently learned about the kobold life cycle, some wings would have made sense for sure!

Was looking forward to these. And now I'm looking forward to these going on sale... 😄

When these Frameworks models were announced months ago, I was initially excited, but I took one look at the outrageous MSRP and laughed. Maybe a year from now when they get blown out at 80% off clearance prices, but even then it's a hard sell since I can print my own cooler looking resin models for pennies.

I'm angry that WizKids is finally giving us clear bases only in the insanely expensive line.

@blindthrasher7293

2 жыл бұрын

From what I've seen, they've been using clear bases for their more recent pre-painted lines and the Critical Role Unpainted minis.

"this won't be an angry review" ... well dang, now I want to hear what your angry voice sounds like

@GoobertownHobbies

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha, I give Wizkids a lot of credit for having cheaper options that are good for beginners... but dannnnnggggg them are some expensive kobolds! ;-)

I too got started painting minis with Warhammer (40k)... I was SHOCKED to find out 7 kobolds is $50... a Tactical Squad of OG Space Marines is only $55... but you get 10 marines!!!! Great and thorough review! Thanks GH... I still might pick some up, ha!

Very good points, about a company's bad decisions. Nicely done. Your paint jobs look great. I always enjoy these informative cat videos