Super interaction between two observers. I love all that information you put forward. You make the viewing experience that much better,by understanding a little more about just what goes on with steam engines. Thank you. I almost felt embarrassed for the lovely engine

The disadvantage of having a loco unsuited to tender first working with sanders intended for just forward travel!

That cleared the crap out of the tubes.....

Very nice, steady close-up panning shots with great atmosphere!

What a slip there! Starting a train is difficult on a locomotive and crew due to the smooth wheel and rail, when you're in the engine cab, it's no simulator, care must be taken. This engine driver actually did a good job keeping her from slipping more than that, keeping another 'Blue Peter'-style incident.

@handyboy5332

8 жыл бұрын

+RockyRailroad Productions He certainly did! Nevertheless, 3weeks' tyre wear in under 3 seconds (?).

The "Volcanic" part of the title lived up to its claim! ...but the "digs chunks out of the track" did not.

@nixryu6483

8 жыл бұрын

idk, there might be a few divots in the track now lol.

@johansoderberg9579

6 жыл бұрын

They damaged the right hand side piston rod box during the slip... We have seen much worse failures due to slip during the years so it is somewhat funny that the staff never learn that you should not reduce the cut off before you have taken up quite good speed.

@henrybn14ar

5 жыл бұрын

@@johansoderberg9579 Surety the problem was due to having the regulator open too wide. There was not enough adhesive force to take the applied traction force, and being tender first transferred the weight to the front bogie. Driver should have shut the regulator instantly which could be easier said than done.

@ldb281

5 жыл бұрын

@@henrybn14ar yep

Hell with the tubes! THAT must have pulled the fire right out the stack. Pity the fireman.

Love that distinctive 3 cylinder chuff.

Boy, she's a BEAUTY!!

great shot of the loco slippin.......................regards tony

LOL! I think the blast took half the fire up the chimney!

Kudos to the loco crew for bringing her back under control. Could so easily have been a 'Blue Peter' incident again.

@t04sty46

4 жыл бұрын

Just looked it up, that poor engine...

Excellent videos

Great video.

0:37 is about when the action starts

What a noise she made!

@AlphaShark101

6 жыл бұрын

DALEKSLAYER1 yeah

Fantastic sights and sounds and magical wheelslip (if that is an appropriate word)

stayed at grosmont a few years ago. it was awesome.

Great footage - I Liked & Subscribed 👍😎

Certainly polished the drivers that time!

I always like the difference in the shrill British whistles versus the big deep freight whistles on our engines in the U.S.

Conductor: "We're rolling, give her some more beans." Engineer: "Quantum drive engaged."

As a fellow driver approaching 2 years passed out, I can say that slips are quite common place in certain factors, weather or in this case, making a guess, is the driver's unfimiliarily with the engine, he's a NE man driving a SR engine. Secondly, driving an engine in a museum is quite a different ballgame then one on a preserved line with a train on the rear.

Looks like this Schools-class narrowly avoided detention with that one!

What happens if you run a 4-4-0 backwards uphill? Then it becomes an 0-4-4 and skid tremendously

@sockshandle

5 жыл бұрын

Should still have most of the weight on the drivers though meaning it was possibly overloaded ?

@henrybn14ar

5 жыл бұрын

@@sockshandle no, the weight of the train on the draw hook transfers the force on the track to the back end of the locomotive. In this case, away from the driving wheels and onto the bogie. If the loco was the right way round the driving wheels would dig into the track. It is the same reason as Pacifics are prone to slipping and the GWR stuck to 4-6-0 types.

@sockshandle

5 жыл бұрын

@@henrybn14ar yes but If you look at it the boiler the pistons the cab the frames those weigh a lot so theoretically depending on the train the locomotives weight would provide adequate adhesion to the rails on a smaller train heavier no I agree with you there and MK1s being made of steel are quite heavy I think that was the reason why most branch services that used MK1s usually were limited aside from traffic regarding passengers

@henrybn14ar

5 жыл бұрын

@@sockshandle If you put the locomotive on a weighbridge, you get the static weight on each axle. If the locomotive is pulling, then then the load is transferred to the back end of the locomotive. If the draw hook was a track level you would not get this effect, but the draw hook is about one metre above the rail level, which creates a moment of force, tending to rotate the locomotive and drawing the weight off the front of the locomotive. If a 4-4-0 is tender first, the load is transferred away from the driving wheels and onto the bogie. Pacifics suffer from the same problem in normal running - the weight is transferred away from the drivers and onto the trailing truck under the firebox. Bulleid Pacifics are notorious and have to be driven with great care, and even then they can lose their grip on greasy rails. 4-6-0 types "dig in" when under load and so have better adhesion on hills. That is why the GWR used them because of the South Devon banks. Castles and Kings are not prone to slipping. Mark 1 coaches weigh about 32 tons, depending mostly on which type of bogie they are fitted with. Those with Commonwealth bogies weigh about 35 ton, almost the same as a mark 3, which is 3 metres longer and has air conditioning.

@stephenhunter70

5 жыл бұрын

@@sockshandle It's the weight of the entire train, that's the factor not just that of the leading car.

Welp, there goes an entire ocean.

Heck, the times I saw that loco in Kent in the late 50's.

brilliant

That’s a horrific wheelslip by repton

Let's agree that the track took a momentary beating.

And the fireman's lovely neat fire goes skywards.

WOW

blimey!

This almost scared me! 🤣 0:38

Think this is a mix of maybe damp rails, steep gradient and the fact the Schools are prone to slipping! All that power on 4 driving wheels!

@henrybn14ar

5 жыл бұрын

And being tender first.

What percentage of weight is carried by the pilot wheels? Another advantge of Dieselocomotives is all weight and fuel weight is on drive wheels. My great uncle was a 4-8-4 locomotivengineer on the NYC. Said his powerful locomotive had some terrible times slipping on wet rails especially in fall with wet leaves on the rails. You try to very gradually pick up speed and still slip.

thank goodness there wasn't an overhead bridge where it slipped cos heavens forbid those were looking over, they'd look like they'd fell into a coal mine head first

Wheel spinning heats and damages the track and can flat spot a wheel. Maintenance guys are not happy with it.

Oh to have heard the language on the footplate when it happened!!!

@madrabidfireman

7 жыл бұрын

I could just imagine.

Love the steam heating leak!

The Schools had only one fault - and you showed it perfectly.

That has to be the biggest 4-4-0 ever built!

@thebrantfordrailfan

8 жыл бұрын

Dick van Aggelen Wow, that is a beast!

@kineticrail

8 жыл бұрын

not sure on biggest but i do know they were the most powerful 4.4.0 in europe when they were built

@pmonkeygeezer6212

6 жыл бұрын

A. Wellknownmyth Terrible pollution and possible track damage. Slice these locos apart with cutting torches and melt gown the scrap!

@paulwilson6540

5 жыл бұрын

Those southern engines aren't really man enough for that line

The SR locomotives always did prefer slipping to pulling trains. Bulleid Pacifics even skated bout when all the passengers got out and pushed !

now that is slipping

im sure i jumped a meter or two out of my chair when i saw that

@ldb281

5 жыл бұрын

6 feet you mean?

It probably melted the track from the friction heat produced on that spot.

Kaboom!

Wow!! Great slip although I still think a 4-4-0 in the moors was never a good idea. Still great footage!!!

Bună locomotivă !

Grosmont Yard, boiler ticket ran out in 2009.

Notice the catch point on the opposite line at the entrance to the tunnel ? They are reversing out on the wrong line .

@RCassinello

6 жыл бұрын

They're actually trap points for locos coming off shed from through the tunnel. This heritage line is the single track remains of a former double track line.

Wow 🤯

Someone should put oil on the tracks & more steel to how long you could keep wheel slip going

You're always going to have less adhesion with only 4 driving wheels, combined with the fact that the sanders can only drop sand in front of the wheels when it is running forwards. A bad combination in slippery conditions.

im led to believe that that stretch of track is seriously slippery, ive seen many a train slip there, but id say that this is perhaps a slightly more violent loss of traction that ive seen before... at least it makes a good show =D

"at Rudyard Waverley is a 4-4-2 tender loco , she is quite prone to slipping" Would be a fun experiment to raise the 4 pilot and 2 trailing wheels from the rails and see how much slipping diminishes.

@tomlawton7087

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Gift The GWR 4000 "Star" class had a prototype 4-4-2, then converted to 4-6-0, as the rest of the class turned out. The rear pony truck was to provide support for the weight, and also allow a larger firebox, so was useful for the larger Pacific locos, but many locos up to the later prestige era did not need them, and benefitted from using their weight for traction. For main line locos, with high power for long periods, both large fireboxes and large boilers were needed to generate that power, and so the size and weight had to be carried. Total weight and axle loading limits line availability, so the designs were tailored for the target lines. Finally, the number of driving wheels defines the minimum radius, and a -6- needs larger curves than a -4- of similar driving wheel size. So imagine the power and radius limits for a Mikado (2-8-2) like the "new" P2.

I've seen em slip but never like that lol I guess dragging all that dead weight on wet track not a good combination that was probably a 40mph wheel spin lol impressive

Thar driver was a hot bastard. Did he long for the bathroom? Better fix that before starting.... I saw a beautiful slip that lasted for only half a wheel turn only.

1:11 someone just smoking up in the rear of the carriage lol

That will be the steam heat, bit of a dodgy connection, may have lost a rubber gasket.

Ok own up - who put WD40 on the track !!!!

@alicegibbs320

4 жыл бұрын

lol

They should have named him, Rip-a ton!

What chunks out of the track?...I didn't see anything ?

Any plans to make it run again?

0:36 I NEED ME SOME SPEED!

When an engine slips like this, it is good practice to drop the reverser out, in this case in reverse. This will make the slip easier to control and the engine should regain her feet quicker.

@sawspitfire422

4 жыл бұрын

Would that work with a non powered reverser? I thought the steam pressure would force the cut off wide open if you tried adjusting it under power?

@bigkiwimike

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawspitfire422 On all the locos I have driven, it doesn’t matter what kind of reverser you have, either powered or mechanical. The powered is certainly smoother. The mechanical lever will move VERY easily in whichever direction it is in. When dropping it out in forward, just watch out or it will try and launch you through the cab window.

repton sounds like the name of a villain from an old black and white film not a locomotive

Loco did not have reverse sanders, fairly common for passenger, a real necessity for a freight loco.

hes got the reguator open full!!!!!

Now if he did that on the road he'd be a hooligan. But do it on a railway track and it's cool lol ;D...

we got there in the end

So nothing to do with a Volcano....well I misunderstood the title. Cool looking train thou.

С такими колёсами ему и 150 км\час нипочём!!!

Being a 4-4-0 that's the kind of things drivers SHOULD be looking out for, a slip like that can be VERY damaging to an engine's motion. I think the schools have the best factor of adhesion of any 4-4-0, but they're still prone to slipping and drivers have to be very careful when starting away

@henrybn14ar

5 жыл бұрын

Worse when tender first. But the regulator might have been stiff and difficult to control. You cannot know unless you were the driver.

Cor, pulling out with a bang, was she?

That's the biggest cough a train needs. It clans all the grit inside its combustion chambers. See the black smoke? That's carbon grit. The train can explode when it does that, just like a volcano LOL. It seem that going over the crossing backward has made the front wheels to lift the locomotive driving wheels, reducing the weight on the driving wheels that caused the slip. If the locomotive was rotated to drive nose first the driving wheels would have been hard weighted on the track and no slippage would have occurred. Talk about engineers.

whats happen to 30926 Repton?

Having driven a couple myself on a preserved line, from a GWR Pannier to a 2-6-0 Mogul and I can safely say... I have no idea what I'm doing. It would take, I estimate, a year or two to get to grips with operating the machine, then a few more to learn how to actually drive a route in one. Driving on a Sim gives no indication of real world ability. For instance, I'm a cracking shot on Wii archery... not so much in real life.

@ldb281

5 жыл бұрын

about 20 years to be fully able

@dcg12b then again, the school's are the most powerful 4-4-0's in britain, so they can cope with the line. Maybe I'm just biased 'cause I like the School's.

Breaking news! Steam engine throws fit for having to work for 4 more hours

Known to all at Grosmont MPD as RECTUM

Big drivers sure do hate grades

Driven as the rostered driver or driven as in, had your hand on the regulator with someone telling you what to do? There's a massive difference. As for train simulators, they don't throw up the 100s of different unexpected faults that you may encounter in real life, to think you 'know how to do it' from playing about on train sim is purely and simply ridiculous

Well he does have a name 66005... lost cause.

I often wonder why they did not give 30 Schools 4-4-O a couple more A overhauls in 62/3 and 64/5 for London Bournemouth express services instead of Bulleids expensive, dangerous and over distracting Pacific's. My understanding has always been the Clan 4-6-2 was a low power high efficiency design in the same body and frame as the Britannia which was really designed to sensibly replace the Bulleid Pacific's in 55-60 but BR didn't have the political nerve.

If he apologises he's a bigger damn fool than you are, please stop commenting on videos, if you don't like it don't watch it. And 400 yards doesn't qualify you for squat!

Was there any damage to the Loco?

I think the problem is that it had oval wheels. Unless the uploader has no clue about aspect ratio and squashed a 4:3 source into 16:9 output. Either way: fail.

@MyLoveOfRailways

10 жыл бұрын

That was one of my very first attempts at uploading. Try this link where I got it right - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mGWi1dtvf5u-odI.html

@ziiofswe

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Jones It makes the train lower, which increases top speed. (Smaller front area.) British Railways are considering doing this on ALL their trains in the future.

@dubsy1026

6 жыл бұрын

ziiofswe ovular wheels? Don't make me laugh

North yorks is a steep line with severe gradients... Repton isnt the most sure footed loco esp out of grosmont. Its normal.

1st prize for best (and most pompous) comment. Well done you!

Steam never has been really "scrapped". It's been pushed aside really. There is always going to be something bigger, better, and stronger then something else. Steam is still used in countless parts of the world, and if something ever happens to diesels, they will simply be put back into service. As for dirty, any train gets dirty, it's part of the job, but you don't see steam engines getting covered in dirt and grim from their own fuel, grease, and fumes now do you?

@RCassinello

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, you do. That's why there was a whole grade of workers paid to just clean the damn things!

looks like sanders were on

Now that’s what you call wheel spin! Perhaps he should’ve shut it down a little more quickly?

"This is why they scrapped steam, slow, dirty, weak. Thank goodness for diesels." Yes, railroads would be in big trouble if they did not progress to far more efficient, far easier to maintain and repair, for easier to produce, non track-damaging, power controlled from one locomotive crew Diesel locomotives.

@ldb281

5 жыл бұрын

shame on you

@hans2406

5 жыл бұрын

Obviously you are not up to date about the latest technology related to steam. You really think, for example, 150 cars pulled by *big boy" the 4 diesels needed for the same train would be less damaging to the environment? Now just imagine a steamloco, running on light oil, regenerating the used steam into water, auto feed water and oil, the loco built with the latest technology and materials, what that would mean to diesel. The technology to handle an automated steam loco is there. Diesel, by the way, is slowly becoming old outdated tech, but is of course heavily promoted by the oil industry.

leaves on the line????

Reptons prone to doing that!! Just bursting into wheel slip, Design floor wasnt it?

You didn't need to repeat the wheelslip my good fellow. Good video overall.

Heavy handed engineer for drivers that large...

@willsalmon6115

7 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily....there's a huge gradient the other side of the tunnel so you need to get a bit of speed and momentum going, it could be possible that that bit of rail is more slippery than the rest. If you weren't on the footplate, you could make that comment

Tear up the track's & light up the wheels longer

They should have put more power to her & see how long you could keep the slip going. Tear it up.