New upload on gaming channel also! kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4hqxbOCfrS9n9I.html

@evelynfarfellwooosh1219

3 жыл бұрын

Would've love to if you added the 8000hz mouse on 2:44 👍

@argetlam134

3 жыл бұрын

Any idea how the G Pro wireless compares?

@dabozzgaming4986

3 жыл бұрын

razer viper and basilisk at the same speed?

@SkulzR

2 жыл бұрын

P

@adamsterdam9049

2 жыл бұрын

Can you the same type of video with keyboards please!!!

This is an absolutely brilliant video, man. Very impressive stuff.

@vladpryshlyak2025

3 жыл бұрын

BadSeed woohoo!^^

@AaronMog453

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Mr. Seed

@ItsZim0

3 жыл бұрын

Brian will you be reviewing Schiit Hel 2? I wanna know your thoughts on it.

@ctelwardt

3 жыл бұрын

The beard has spoken.

@josipreponj1928

3 жыл бұрын

Completely agree.

So that 0.3ms is the reason I'm missing my headshots. Thanks man, great to know

@sweetyx1180

3 жыл бұрын

Some of the Bloody mouses has 0.2 ms latency.

@ggsmrdoink

3 жыл бұрын

@@sweetyx1180 bloody mouses suck

@ggsmrdoink

3 жыл бұрын

@Pasam Naga laxmi they are so heavy

@sweetyx1180

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggsmrdoink that doesn't means they suck, that means it's not suitable for you.

@en_vy

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetyx1180 no, they're just genuinely bad. End of conversation.

Dude, that's precisely the content we want: Clear methodology, clear results, no bulls**t. Kudos!

@PurgePilot

4 ай бұрын

😅

This is some high quality content.

@squizi7090

3 жыл бұрын

@real t3xq stfu

@aquasmoke8539

3 жыл бұрын

@real t3xq you’re unnecessary just like your comment

@SA-pf5rw

3 жыл бұрын

@real t3xq Enjoy them both

I'm from brazil and your channel is straight to the point, easy to understand. Here is difficult to have access to this type of content, so i usually look for foreign channels, your channel is one of the best i have ever seen. Easy to understand content has a large audience outside the country of origin. Congratulations.

@lucaas050Kkk

3 жыл бұрын

Mt pika

@ricoguima1959

3 жыл бұрын

Quem te perguntou? Kkkkkk

@Myreph

3 жыл бұрын

Também adoro o canal, as vezes fico meio perdida e como não tem legenda disponível a gente tem que dar um jeito, mas o conteúdo é incrível

@paulosouza9329

3 жыл бұрын

O canal dele é incrível mesmo. Direto ao ponto, sem enrolação, informações limpas na tela e bem explicadas.

@fazendohistoria_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Myreph eu tô longe de ser fluente, mas a fala dele é tão polida que acaba sendo fácil, eu aprendi consumindo conteúdo assim aleatoriamente, uma hora quando vc ver tb já aprendeu e nem percebeu.

This guy makes one of the best videos, straight to the point, easy to understand without unnecessary "filler" talk. Thank you for that! :D

@mtx247

3 жыл бұрын

You just destroyed LTT. He would have had 3 ad plugs to stretch the video to 10 minutes so you can also watch 2 extra ads before the video even starts.

@evilleader1991

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtx247 Well I use Sponsorblock so i avoid trhat :D

@mtx247

3 жыл бұрын

@@evilleader1991 I just skip ahead in the video and use ad blocker.

@robotm99

3 жыл бұрын

They look great too

@Michael-vz3wn

2 жыл бұрын

i agree

I’m so happy you didn’t waste 18-30minutes of my life to tell me this answer. Good work on testing and just spelling it out clearly. Wish every KZreadr just did this.

@markusuusitalo9846

3 жыл бұрын

Bearded Bob?

@real_emsuma

2 жыл бұрын

@@markusuusitalo9846 every! not one or two

Your videos are so damn thorough. You address the main concerns of the general audience, and then go beyond into the really technical side and manage to explain it in a digestible way. I was impressed with the quality of your videos when I found your channel last year, but you just keep getting better. Thanks for your videos Ali, I hope you never stop!

The amount of information packed into under 7 mins here is wild. such a good video.

@optimumtech

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the support man 👊

@jamesm5192

3 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech Great job, but would you mind giving us data on the supposedly top mouse from AtomPalm?

@ghostly4446

3 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech have you seen the new “god of mice” final mouse ?

@SkulzR

2 жыл бұрын

S

@SkulzR

2 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech h

I'm still amazed that this video is under 7 minutes long. Information density at this level on KZread is remarkably rare.

Ahhh yes, some optimum tech to finish the day

Been rocking the G305 for over a year now and I absolutely love it. I have tried the viper ultimate and viper mini and they feel snappier but the g305 just fit my hand better which makes it a lot more comfortable to use for quick movements and extended use without feeling fatigued. Always go for size and shape that fit your hand over specs and features.

This man solving gamer's problems ONE VIDEO AT A TIME.😁

love how you handle those type of videos and make them not to complicated. keep on your style and much love from germany.

This is SUCH an awesome video breakdown! Awesome job dude!! Not sure how you managed to consolidate such a detail-rich video essay into 7minutes. This is phenomenal! Great job!

Excellent video and everything was explained nicely. The first thing I did when I connected my Model O wireless to my PC was to set the debounce time to 0ms. Immediately it felt faster than any my wired mice I was using before.

Maybe you could test cheap wired vs cheap wireless mice as a follow-up? Perhaps at the low end there is a latency difference between them

Wasn’t expecting this video. Great stuff!Also my Viper Mini is coming tomorrow!

Fantastic video, always making great analyzes of actually sought after information, keep up the amazing work Ali

Super good content, would love to see more mice tested like this. Especially interested in how the Vaxee mice perform!

Your content gets better and better, it's now at the absolute top compared to other channels in my opinion. You use the tools you have way more purposefully compared to other channels to get straightforward results. And your aesthetics are just on point.

Great video, although the differences are small they are measurable. I’ve done similar tests and the problems with the wireless stuff is that the latency isn’t consistent depending on battery level and sometimes just complete randomness!!!! If “really good” is good enough then enjoy the comfort of your higher end wireless stuff.

Finally, a very good video on the subject. Nice and compact and straight to the point while still giving all necessary information -> Subscribed now.

This channel needs more subs. Impressive and cohesive work!

Well, I had no idea the debounce setting existed on the glorious mouse, so thank you for that!

@CellarDoorCS

3 жыл бұрын

Is that the double click speed? - I'm slightly confused about this part when the video zooms in onto.

@neoenemy4145

3 жыл бұрын

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@wizardrapier232

3 жыл бұрын

@@CellarDoorCS Lowering the debounce setting gives the mouse less latency however, results in the mouse being additionally susceptible to accidental double clicks.

For me an adjustable amount of force you have to put on the trigger would be a nice option. I've tested countless gaming mice and they all need the power of a sledgehammer to klick the button. With the Cherry MW 2400 i randomly stumbled over, i found a mouse with a astonishing force/precision/cost ratio.

Great video, thank you Ali. Btw when is your review of the Loque Raw S1 coming?

Wow, just perfect. Can't imagine this video being any better, props!

Your choice of music doesn't get enough preise imo so here it is, great choice of music as always!

I never consistently watch videos from a single channel, but every video here is interesting and well done

I love your videos. Always straight up, calming voice, informative af

Good stuff as always. You should do one for different types of keyboard mechanical switches and optical switches.

Thank you so much for testing this stuff, I've been going nuts trying to find proper latency analysis for some of these mice.

Man if you did a podcast that would be some damn good content. Keep up the great work

@Monish_Raju

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree with this.

Awesome video glad to hear this about wireless mice since i can never see myself going back to wired i love my Model O wireless and cant wait to pick up the Model D Wireless

Exactly the kind of test I was looking for. Thank you!

Ali, you seem to be favored by the YT algo Gods! Keep up what you are doing. Of course, I really like your content. Love from India!

Waiting for your review on the Orochi V2

both the analysis and the quality of video + post production are prime. thank you.

Awesome video ! Really wanted a pwnage custom but I think I’ll just wait for a bit and stick with my Viper mini for the time being .

Hi Ali there is a difference! I was just looking at this issue and came across a KZread tester doing the same! Thanks for your hard work. I bought the viper ultimate due to this latency.

@iJansport

3 жыл бұрын

I would definitely recommend getting some corepads replacement mouse feet for the viper ultimate. Stock feet are ok, but these make the glide smoother

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

@@iJansport Glide is personal preference tho. Not everyone wants a faster glide.

@iJansport

3 жыл бұрын

@@rdmz135 thats where mousepads come into play. There are speedpads and control pads. Mice feet should be smooth regardless of the speed of your mousepad.

The work you put in is always really impressive.

great video and a very professional and scientific approach to this test. I bought a viper ultimate around a year back and have always wondered how true the claim on the box was about 25% faster than the next wireless mouse so its cool to see I didnt get lied to

I just love how I search for something and this channel always pops up with exactly what I wanted to see/know :D

Great video, would be cool if you would make a keyboard latency test video as well

@lemonsqueezexd5468

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'd be really interested this, especially if there are any differences between wireless/wired and Micro-usb/usb c

Hey do you think you could make a review of the Pwnage symm 2 when it comes out? Also if you do make a review for it, it would be very helpful if you included a latency test to see if pwnage improved it all. Since that would make a big difference if it is a great mouse or not.

This is such a good and helpful video. I watched it over 4 times in 4 months and I found that you rly clarified everything we have to know.

Great video. Can you also do a test for the new Razer Orochi V2 please? I'm sure there are tons of people out there who would like to know this as well. Again thanks for this video.

Wow, I'm even happier with my G Pro Superlight, I truly like it a lot :) Thanks for the test man

@bobsag1164

3 жыл бұрын

Same with my Viper Ultimate

superlight master race let’s goooo

@datguy6754

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah boiiii glorious model O wireless!

@phoevo8898

3 жыл бұрын

I have a g pro can i still join? ;3

@JohnFromAccounting

3 жыл бұрын

Will pick up a Superlight in the coming months. Cords are getting in the way a lot.

@loft8659

3 жыл бұрын

That's cool and all but Model 0 is the most overrated mouse on the planet

@joelconolly5574

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, it's Mr Kandy

Thanks man, really needed this information.

Thanks for these tests !

Ali, your content has always been a cut above, but this; scientific method, statistics, everything. Keep doing what you do man, brilliant to watch. Glad you're almost at 500k (and getting the recognition you deserve).

@WayStedYou

3 жыл бұрын

I think he was at something like 48k subs when I first found his channel and assumed he had 300k+ subs or something because of how clean everything was at the time lol.

@KILL1ONA1R397

3 жыл бұрын

@@WayStedYou Same here! Think it might've been around 35k I first subbed... super cool to see the growth.

I veered away from a wireless mouse for a long time because I was afraid of inconsistency and signal loss. Wireless mice feel smoother and I'm going to try one soon.

this is sucha good video, i am so proud of being subscribed !

Outstanding! Doing the reviews the community needs:)

I experienced something completely different when testing my Model O Wireless on wired vs wireless mode. I used the 960 FPS camera on my phone to record 3 mouse clicks on wired and wireless mode respectively. The monitor I used is 360hz so frame latency is negligible. The mouse was also set to 0ms debounce. With the wire plugged in, I experienced just 1 frame of lag each of the 3 times. But when I had the mouse on wireless mode, there were 10 frames of lag each of the 3 times.

Keyboard latency next please! GMMK Pro, wired customs, aviator cables vs USB-C, Logitech Wireless, etc.

@iJansport

3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a video on this!

@NOSfusion

3 жыл бұрын

@@iJansport Agreed. I’m also curious if using a Logitech wireless mouse alongside a wireless keyboard introduces extra lag when compared to just using a single wireless peripheral.

@lymwellnellas4936

3 жыл бұрын

@@NOSfusion I have razer viper ultimate and a rog falchion wireless keyboard. I play Apex Legends and overwatch most of the time. No latency or delay whatsoever. no cut off or signal lost when playing. My accuracy is way better and faster now. The only downside is Apex Legends servers sucks. Now I'm on a hunt for a wireless headset for gaming, might as well go all out wireless for my peripherals. :D

Amazing stuff, would really like you to do this testing on new final mouse once they ship.

Really appreciated for comparing MANY gaming mice, while also keeping it simple and really easy to follow. And big respect for comparing cordless mice connected to the PC with cable ;P Thanks for the video!

This is such an amazing video and technology that Nvidia has developed. The fact that the software can detect audio vs a hardwire "connection" with no delay difference is insane.

@bananya6020

Жыл бұрын

i'd bet that there is a delay but they probably managed to find a way to adjust for it well. doesn't make it any less impressive tho

I tested the latency of my G Pro when clicking the subscribe button. I'm happy to say that it performed as expected

This is great content, would you consider doing something similar for 2.4GHz keyboards? I would love to see a chart with latency figures for some 60-65% 2.4GHz keyboards out there

Really good video Ali, very interesting. I personally don't use wireless mice, as I don't really want to have to charge peripherals and don't use my pc away from my desk.

Much better than RJN's absolutely unscientific uncontrolled latency testing.

There's more to latency than click latency. Most wireless mice still have sensor delay, however it is very minimal on high end wireless mice like the GPW. On the other hand wireless mice based on the 3335 sensor show a noticeable delay when you initiate motion, but that delay reduces when the motion speeds up. So the delay is inconsistent.

Thank you for the debounce time stuff with the mow imma go do it rn

@Optimum Tech I'm a big fan of latency testings! I hope that you will release more latency tests, great vid btw :)

love the details, so happy I'm bad at games so I would have missed latency or not :)

@wishesandbennett2372

2 жыл бұрын

Same

I've been a big advocate of wired mice, but when I saw the Orochi V2 I decided to get it. It actually looks so dope.

@RobVanHars2001

3 жыл бұрын

is the same size as the viper mini or bigger

@kae2678

3 жыл бұрын

I ordered it too but the latency may make me want to go back to wired :/ I care about performance the most

@crazygamingyt7245

11 ай бұрын

@@kae2678wired is better

Love all the content you make, keep it up!

Easy to understand, straightforward, quality content. It’s everything that viewers could asked for.

I think mouse movement latency is far more important than click latency. It would be great to know what mice perform better wireless or wired

@gster109

3 жыл бұрын

There's a big difference in latency & accuracy (muscle memory) on mice.. Most mouse reviewers are sleeping on this subject..

@gster109

3 жыл бұрын

@@chy.0190 wow you’re so smart you watched a youtube video calling it a meme so it must be!!! Lol think for yourself, when i flick my mouse a certain spot on my mat it should constantly go to the same spot on my screen. “Muscle memory” is misunderstood for a whole other meaning when in reality all it means is consistency.

@markusuusitalo9846

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. Harder to measure though

I was worried when I saw my Model O wireless show so low in the list. Thanks to you my debounce is now set to zero. Instant sub!

thank you for the great graph! when testing the viper how did it feel in your hands? i have big hands so it's hard to find a comfortable mouse

Hey Ali, great video! I had a question on your plugged in vs wireless data. You only showed data of two mice (Logitech G pro and Glorious MOW), which already have great wireless performance, therefore you might not expect a big difference in latency between plugged-in and wireless. Did you also check this difference in wireless mice with more latency such as the Aerox 3 wireless? Thanks!

Is the click latency the same or higher than the "movement" latency in a wireless mouse?

@optimumtech

3 жыл бұрын

Yep so sensor latency would be something different all together, I'd need to build a small machine for accurate sensor testing.

@sensor

3 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech Ok thnks!

If he was a tech professor, I would take all the classes he lectures.

@jaybee0507

2 жыл бұрын

What about if he was a vacuum cleaner salesman?

Great content. Did you think of including the Razer Viper 8K in this test methodology to see the results you get the more you increase polling rate past 1000hz?

I main’d my viper mini because it felt so much more responsive than my Aerox 3 in all games and now I know by how much. Great video!!

im not even an FPS gamer but optimum tech, gotta watch

This type of video is exactly why people like me love this channel lol

An interesting thing about debounce that I have discovered while researching it for the GMMK Pro is that there are two major methods of doing it. The first is what (I think) Glorious is doing, deferred debounce. In this setup, the mouse or keyboard waits until after the debounce time is up to send the click/key press. This is less prone to errors, but, obviously, slower since it is waiting. Then there is eager debounce where it sends the click/key press as soon as it first registers it but then ignores subsequent clicks/presses for the specified debounce time. As you might imagine, that's better for gaming as there is no delay. Since lowering the debounce time on the MOW also lowers the click latency, we can assume that a) it's using deferred debounce and b) the actual latency of the mouse and transmitter are quite low. If they simply switch to eager debounce, it will perform very well regardless of debounce time. This also suggests that the Pwnage mouse is already using eager debounce but just has really bad latency since changing the debounce had no effect on latency. Either that or the setting is just broken.

@SamAx.

2 жыл бұрын

💺q

lol his video is awesome! I'm so glad you did this test. I have a model O and I didn't even know about this debounce time.

@rubenschilling

3 жыл бұрын

Same, Model D user here

When recommendation is faster than notification

Looks like Ali is taking up Rocket Jump Ninja's mantle. :bigbosssalute:

@ecvent0r

3 жыл бұрын

RJN is kind of finished. He is very overrated in the current ecosystem of mouse reviewers. Just does self indulgent lazy marketing pieces.

@minjou6412

3 жыл бұрын

boardzy masterrace

@HollowRick

3 жыл бұрын

@@ecvent0r technically he is done he posted on twitter that RJN reviews are taking a backseat so he can design more mice with xtrfy and write novels

@ecvent0r

3 жыл бұрын

@@HollowRick I wish he clarified this on his channel as well. I don't care about twitter. He is free to do whatever he feels like of course. But he is still perceived as an authority in mouse reviews and has his website dedicated to it si it's a bit tricky to maintain impartiality.

@HollowRick

3 жыл бұрын

@@ecvent0r I only have twitter to follow certain people other than that it's trash haha 😄 and yeah it would be hard to do twitter.com/RocketJumpNinja/status/1388293918610006017 Here's the twitter post btw ^

Great video, awesome job 👍 I was wondering if you could make a video about wireless keyboards latency as well? I am very interested in the results and struggle to find relevant data on the webz, compared with mice which are a covered a lot. Specially since I think most of us with sff pcs are using 60 or 65 or similar percentage keyboards, they are oftenlty wireless as well but I still use mine wired being afraid of latency ( for example I use a kemove 61).

What a helpful video mate, goodjob!

I now appreciste my Viper Mini even more.

@imprice5668

2 жыл бұрын

Just got mine yesterday and I got to say, coming from a g900 to this is night and day in my gaming performance. (I think the g900 weighs like 103-106 grams while the viper mini weighs 61 which is insanse :)

Amazing review! Does the model d- wireless perform the same as a model o wireless? Thank you!

thanks for the debounce tip. I just applied it on my mow didnt know it was a thing before watching this video

Ali's partner: "He's probably thinking about other girls" Ali: "I wonder if I can use use audio to test mouse latency" Ps. Absolutely thrilling video. Will be referencing this to my friends that still somehow believe wired is superior 🤣

I trust this guy over linus for everything lmao

very interesting, look forward to looking at this testing in future reviews. Also the Finalmouse can be adjusted to 1000hz via DM1 Pro S software. I wonder what the UL2/FinalMouse does in 1000hz?

It would be cool to see a video like this but testing the latency of your custom keyboard versus something like a top-end razer or logitech gaming keyboard

Wired is always faster, because it's a stable connection

no reason to not go wireless at this point.

@randomadventurer1029

Жыл бұрын

you high? wireless ones are still more expensive, and there's also the hassle of charging them. in wired, theres no prob at all

@Mysinismikako

10 ай бұрын

​@@randomadventurer1029a good double a battery lasts like a year

Really informative stuff, thanks for always delivering quality content! o/

Great vid man very interesting. My hesitation with wireless is moreso concerns with movement latency rather than click latency. Is there a video about that on the horizon? 🤔