Is no one gonna mention how crazy accurate this review actually is with that testing machine? Unmatched channel on KZread for sure!

@xaviersunsun9758

Жыл бұрын

agreed to hell - really professionally tested right here. Excellent quality!

@SylvereNazaire

Жыл бұрын

And he combines it with great cinematography!

@xSkail

Жыл бұрын

makes me really wonder what he studied at college/uni or if he just learned all that stuff by himself

@beegyoshi6525

Жыл бұрын

Battle nonsense used to do latency reviews with a similar rig but he retired from KZread, I wonder if he was inspired by that

@SL4PSH0CK

Жыл бұрын

Rtings exist, but sure w/ presentation

Your content always seems to get better and better with each upload. Such a pleasure to watch

I love the effort ur putting into the testing of these products...just something that you really can't find anywhere in the tech KZread landscape. Adding that high of a production quality and overall visual standart is just a real bliss to watch and enjoy :) keep up the great work!

Shape (and in some cases, weight) should be the main focus when it comes to choosing mice imo. Sensor accuracy and click latency are both so good that it's practically negligible now.

@rdmz135

Жыл бұрын

Like he said, that testing is still very important to identify outliers.

@koraptd6085

Жыл бұрын

Among razer and logi for sure but the rest is kinda sketchy

@Khrrck

Жыл бұрын

I think reliability is a good factor too. I've been using the same G700 for many years at this point. The switches have needed some care a couple of times but overall the longevity has been spectacular.

@jumpman1213

Жыл бұрын

@@Khrrck Great point. I wish there was a big enough audience for thorough, long-term reviews.

@Khrrck

Жыл бұрын

@@jumpman1213 Yeah, while I kinda get why ultralight mice are a thing these days, I just can'tt see things like those wafer thin carbon fiber mouse buttons lasting too long under extended use. Plus personally I prefer the heavier mice anyway.

I’ve been waiting for this. Love your other videos as well, but these mouse testing videos are pure gold

great review - absolutely love the testing methodology you're building up here. One thing I could have liked to see on your latency bar chart is, next to the chart, also mention if the mouse is wireless or wired, and its weight in grams. That would give a great overview pointing people easily to the product they think has the properties most important for them in a balance they like.

your testing methods, your presentation, and your objective views (for such a subjective topic) are above and beyond. keep going what you do!

That's the video that I was waiting! A tier list would be amazing

Im so excited to see that testing equipment mature some more! Great vid!

I would be really curious to see how some steelseries units measure up alongside what you have already tested. As always, great work Ali 👌

Would love to see how the Pulsar Xlite V2/Mini fits into these measurements!

@thebearded4427

Жыл бұрын

Same! really interested in seeing a high end pixar and how it compares to the most known mice.

@papirus0622

Жыл бұрын

So would I, crazy content

@rexhasta

Жыл бұрын

pulsar x2 too as it seems to be more of a gpx/vv2 competitor

@Dun1007

Жыл бұрын

I tried all of them. Ended up choosing Xlite V2 mini. Real shame they are not getting enough recognition

@papirus0622

Жыл бұрын

@@Dun1007 What's your grip style?

You should definitely try out the Infinity Hump for the Starlight-12. It replaces the rear hump to make it suitable for claw grip. I absolutely love it and it has made the mouse my main.

Great vid! Maybe talk about battery life and switches/click feel for future vids like this

I've been dying watching all the sales for the Superlight go by, but I'm waiting for them to upgrade that damn micro-usb to a usb-c connection before I splash that much cash on an upgrade. Amazing video as always, slick editing, crazy testing rigs... Next level man 🙏

@Skrenja

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, micro USB is 🤮. Complete dealbreaker. Worst connector of all time.

@drizolo8936

Жыл бұрын

How does it matter? I have had the Superlight for a year now and it has never bothered me even once

@bair2

Жыл бұрын

You can buy a cable with a separate magnetic connector, that way you just have to snap it if you want to charge and then leave the end in the mouse itself.

@PrimedTales

Жыл бұрын

get a g303 shroud then , has the type C u want, cheaper, has a grip that if u get used to you'll like more than a neutral mouse's when u get confident.

@JohnFromAccounting

Жыл бұрын

Micro USB isn't a dealbreaker when you only have to charge it for 30 minutes every 10-12 days.

The review set up is indeed going above and beyond. Data truly is beautiful when presented like this

The viper is one of the most comfortable mousees I've ever held maybe it's just made for my size hands but it's just so comfy

as always your videos are above and beyond. would love to see your quick thoughts on the pulsar xlite v2

I just love the low profile, flatter shape of the viper. I tried GPRO and somehow it feels more straining on my wrists, despite being a very small difference in shape.

@piotrmalczyk260

Жыл бұрын

Not forgeting about this mushy side buttons of GPro. I personaly use GPro and my wife Viper and at the end I needed to admit... Viper is better

i think when it comes to shape its really down to your grip and hand size. i do very aggro claw and have pretty big hands but the superlight just felt really bad for me always, but in the other hand the v2 pro fits me perfectly. its just a superlight with a different shape thats how i see it both mice specs wise are pretty much the same

@alexp3577

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree, different grip and hand size, but I’ve switched from G Pro Wireless to Viper Ultimate because of the shape and was happy about it. But after I’ve tried the Superlight - I knew I wanted the Viper shape to get the same treatment and new V2 Pro is exactly that

@leotle6309

Жыл бұрын

I swapped to v2 pro after my g pro wireless start having right click issues (26 days after warranty ends). Feels kind of cheated with the omron 20mil clicks and went for razer gen 3 90 mil clicks switch in v2 pro. Was a heavy user due to work from home. I gave it to my dad for father's day, it is still functioning well for regular user. But for someone that uses it to game, it is not fun when you zoom in to snipe, the gun zooms back out. :v Also main reason I swapped is due to camera not turning in FF14 because you need to hold down right click down for the camera to turn. Sometimes the right click doesn't work, you die in raids because you can't turn the camera in the middle of the fight and dies. It happens 95%-99% of the time and it is not fun when it happens. So far I'm loving v2 pro. I no longer accidentally jump (in valorant) with the stiffer middle button. For g pro wireless, I keep accidentally touch the middle button and my character just jumps in the middle of gunfights. +_+ I hope the mouse can last at least 5-8 years this time around. The price for v2 pro is not cheap, it is freaking expensive. : O

@pseudzy

Жыл бұрын

@@leotle6309 you jump with mmb?!

@leotle6309

Жыл бұрын

@@pseudzy Yeah. It might sound weird but if you play games like valorant or csgo, there is something that almost everyone uses and it is called bhop (bunny hop). I think it can be done with regular spacebar but it is just a lot easier to bhop by binding jump to mouse scroll wheel down or up. But I find mouse scroll wheel down more intuitive and feels better. There are some spot that you don't make sound in map when you bhop like bhopping up a ramp as opposed to running. I think in csgo bhopping is also faster then just regular running. It also makes your character a harder target to hit jump up down left right. It can also be used to absorb less damage from mollies in Valorant because when you are jumping through the AoE molly, you are in contact with the molly for less amount of time so the molly does less damage to you.

@pseudzy

Жыл бұрын

@@leotle6309 I’m fucking stupid, I use that myself in apex for superglides/superglide tapstrafes lmao. I pictured you pressing in middle mouse for some reason

Nice analysis, very detailed. I’ve ordered an MK2 since your last review, waiting for the long lead time / delivery currently.

@WooXZerah

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I'm assuming you got it already, how does it feel?

@manlikeg2794

Жыл бұрын

@@WooXZerah it’s nice mate, I like it more than the Superlight

“Just an arduino with a couple of stepping motors” understatement of the century, that test bed is frikin amazing!

Really looking forward to the MZ1 wireless review!

Very good content and video, good lighting, color, data showing method (charts), gameplay etc. Keep it up! I have a question to ask, does anyone game with office mice? XD

I would LOVE to see your take on the Pulsar Xlite V2 and Mini :) The mini is a model I am really looking foward to get, and a lot of content creators have been giving some praise to Pulsar, as they get a solid performance for a fraction of the price of those mice in the video

Hoped for an endgame gear xm2w here, but that one sadly still didn’t make it to the market yet.

Nice in depth review as always, especially enjoy you not overdramatizing minute differences. Really laughed at 5:47, "whats a hard counter to tracer?" - "your mum".

Great stuff and nice video but honestly I am in love with the razer deathadder shape, sadly the Viper ultimate someone felt like a bit off, I think its because of the weight. Super excited about this new razer mouse. Anyway, I am open for any suggestions about new mouses, do you have any despite the ones shown in this video?

thanks for doing the input lag test on the viper mini, I got small hands, so it's good to know that my very few options are good ones!

@Junya01

Жыл бұрын

The viper mini is the best sub 50 dollar mouse hands down. Punches way above its weight, it’s super light and build quality is good. The wire isn’t even a big deal to me personally, I barely notice it when the rest of the wire falls underneath the table

When he talked about the consideration of machine errors for the tracking I HAD to leave a like. Keep it up! l would love to see that test improved.

Love the rig, can't wait til it's fully operational. Hopefully we'll get some stellar data, thank you!

One note, the superlight does have an incredibly good feeling and grippy coating but it wore off for me after one year of usage. It now has yellowish stains on many spots even though I keep my setup very clean. Dust and sweat free.

@chaseehlers6890

6 ай бұрын

had this happen to me not even 6 months into using the mouse

A1 content right here. Will still be holding onto my Viper ultimate for the time being. Didn’t you swap your switches in your g pro?

Great review. What about the size/bloat of the respective software drivers? Is it worth going for the same keyboard and mouse etc to reduce the amount of required software?

awesome vid! do you have a similar one for competitive fps monitors?

Polite,humble and in depth review. Subbed keep up the hard work

TIERLIST BIG YESS! LOOKING FORWARD

Great video once again, one mouse you should try is the pulsar xlite v2 wireless and v2 mini wireless. Both great mice. May be a little bias as I own the mini, but imo it’s better than the g pro x superlight.

What an outstanding comparison. Need more of these boss!!

Amazing review and channel ! What do you think of the Orochi ? Would it fit anywhere on the list ? Thanks a lot

Wow! Getting really tech now! Your just really making me want to change my G-pro for a superlight. Congrats on another great video!

Thanks for the video!

These are maybe best on paper, but keep in mind the stats are not very important if it doesn't fit your hand well. That was the case for me with the new razer products

@metalbeaver6294

Жыл бұрын

Why? Was the mouse too big? Or too small?

Great vid, have you heard of the Wooting 60HE? It's supposedly the worlds fastest keyboard.

I’m still rocking the G305 my brother gave me a year ago. Got a lithium AAA and cut down adapter in it to save weight, and for the amount of gaming I do I love it.

is the m2k your new main? would you recommend it to a fingertip user on the viper mini?

I ended up grabbing a G303 and I'm seriously considering buying another couple of them so I can have spares. I really, really like the feel and it's probably my favourite mouse I've ever tried.

@zednik8956

Жыл бұрын

You might like the MM720 too. I main a g303 but im tempted to buy a china 720 thats wireless to replace it. super super light and great shape for smaller hands

@zadsazhad

Жыл бұрын

@@zednik8956 i still love the shapw and weight of mm720 but cm is just suck at making products. My mm720 died 2 times and never buy them again. Im on razer viper mini rn, not bad

@ilubCHRISTsomach

Жыл бұрын

@@zednik8956 g303 is the most comfortable shape for me, and I’ve tried almost everything else there is

@PrimedTales

Жыл бұрын

I went from mm710 to logi g pro x to kone pro and tested friends' g305 , got g303 shround and just planning on selling or throwing all others. Its insane.

@sakracliche

Жыл бұрын

You people have not worked a minimum wage job, have you

Thanks for the review! Wondering what you think about the wireless "feature" of these mice. I currently use a cheaper Logitech M510 (and K350) on an Ubuntu system. I find that the communication with the dongle gets dodgy beyond about 6 inches. It has made me wonder if I should return to a leash (wired mouse). Thoughts?

Really like your content and reviews. Any chance of you reviewing the "newer" ROG mice? would like to see your thoughts on the ROG keris (wired version,because the wireless is pretty underwhelming with a worse sensor and 18 extra grams).

Glad you added the qualification around the latency being inconsequential to 98% of players. Still very interesting and kudos to your testing rig efforts - very cool. Looking forward to your Endgame XM2w review... :)

I always enjoy your videos, definitely going SFF because of your Videos. Cheers

best YT channel out there. should have 20x the views and subs. good work beast

Viper Mini is what I main right now - great button and response speed, and the sensor is good enough after updating the firmware to fix the LOD issue.

@ZaiTsk36756

Жыл бұрын

Everything that I've seen that contends with it is considerably more expensive. It's a ridiculously good mouse for the price.

@harisjaved1379

Жыл бұрын

They released another firmware? I was using the latest Mini firmware but still got the LOD issue.

@graze1177

Жыл бұрын

My hand is pretty huge and i think that i'll sell viper mini to buy viper 8k. Dont get me wrong, the mouse is amazing for the price, its just my hand.... xddd

@3xtan327

Жыл бұрын

Does your side button wobble? Mine is slightly wobbly but it’s still working well enough to where it doesn’t affect me too much

@graze1177

Жыл бұрын

@@3xtan327 mine's slightly wobbly too. Maybe its the design? I dont really care tbh since i use this mouse for fps gaming

Ali really needs to mention more about his efforts in these crazy review purpose custom machines he built.

I just upgraded from my old HyperX Pulsefire FPS which I bought 4 and a half years ago to a G PRO X Superlight and oh my god I felt the difference in like 1 second of opening it (Which was a few hours ago lmao). At first it felt like a toy because of how light it is, really feels like it is hollow inside, but man, I started a deathmatch in CSGO and felt GODLIKE, the mouse is just perfect. I'm still adapting to the new shape since it's a waay smaller mouse than I'm used to, but it already feels AMAZING. Couldn't be happier.

Great review and awesome benchmarks/rig. I actually also have all 3 of these mice... I think there's something to be said about how mushy the sidebuttons on the superlight are. The coating is A+++ and the reason why I gravitate towards it...but the side buttons are strait mushy booty and pretty bad for something like Fortnite if you have building binds on them. V2pro and Finalmouse side buttons are leaps and bounds better imo

I have one concern with the motion test. The result of movement from standstill might be majorly affected by how the sensor algorithm determines movement from standstill, and might not reflect the latency in motion. A better method could be method could be moving the mouse at a speed X and then accelerating it to speed Y, and detect the point where the speed changes compared to the command. The faster speed could use some insane power/speed, because the end speed doesn't matter, only the point where the speed changes.

@donsimons9810

Жыл бұрын

Yes, do way more tests. Way MORE!

I love the lovethe flatness of the viper, even though i have large hands, my gripstyle just fits it so well. I should mention that i have modifyed it to make it wider at curve where my pinkey sits, making it basically flat on the left side.

I don't want to cannibalize your youtube views or anything, but I find myself looking through many youtube videos trying to find your data on different mice. You rightfully compare the Superlight and Razer products in almost all charts, but the other ones vary. I basically just want to have a picture of ALL the data you have because it's the best I've seen. If you happen to have that and could drop it in a google doc or something, I'd be so grateful. If you can't, I might go ahead and look through all your videos and compile it myself.

I do wonder if the sensor lag numbers are at all influenced by the inertia of the mice (though that would track to real world use as the lighter mice have less inertia in your hand as well).

I've tried many different gaming mice but i keep coming back to Glorious O and D models. Feel the best and most comfy to me.

I'm so excited we finally get to see this new test rig in action

I bought an MM731 last week for 30 euros. It seemed to be the best value for the money. Best sensor on the market, optical switches, optional wired/wireless and super lightweight under 59g. I couldn't find anything that resembles this package at even double the price.

Seriously so cool you've got the testing machine, so good. Even LTT doesn't bother with this and they're huge!

Good video, I'm between the Logitech x Shroud G303 Shroud Edition and the Razer Viper Ultimate, which one do you think is the best option?

Amazing review man. I just bought the viper ultimate v2 pro and loved it! I prefer the shape over the superlight because i have a fingertip grip and with the stock anti slip stickers they feel fantastic

@juicy9592

Жыл бұрын

Superlicht also have the stickers

@mbj920

Жыл бұрын

@@juicy9592 those stickers that come with the GPX re said to be pretty bad

@Snook_

Жыл бұрын

If only the clicks wern't so bad. Razer should just use enthusiast switches and bail on the optical garbage tbh

@vaudou_

Жыл бұрын

@@Snook_ I think they should stick to their guns and eliminate double clicking and close the gap between optical click feel and mechanical. Many people like the clicks anyway

@x3m9x

Жыл бұрын

@@Snook_ i like the optical ones better

Thank you so much! This is the kind of review I was waiting for. I was debating between Logitech and Finalmouse, so thank you!

@bwb4449

Жыл бұрын

Don’t spend the money for Finalmouse. Unless you get it on drop, but that’s still extremely high. All sorts of mods you can do to a Superlight to be the same weight

@videogamesaddict69

Жыл бұрын

@@bwb4449 thanks!

@bwb4449

Жыл бұрын

@@Evan-xs8ts if it’s for you, no need to justify your decision of spending $200+ for a mouse. I can’t justify spending that much when I’m not a pro or making money playing

@Evan-xs8ts

Жыл бұрын

@@bwb4449 I didn't spend more than 200. It was 187 for me

@Evan-xs8ts

Жыл бұрын

@@bwb4449 you spent 150 on a superlight and 30$ kore is too much for you?

Love to see you test the Pulsar Xlite V2 Mini

another amazing video! could you also help with your windows sensitivity/ overwatch sensitivity? :D cheers!

One thing which you may have missed talking about is the difference in charging ports between the G pro x and the Viper V2 Pro. That being said it's really only a difference in convenience more than anything else.

A review that I didn’t know I needed!

Hello. Great video as always. I wonder why is nobody saying anything about Corsair mice like Sabre Pro? I think they are awesome for it's price point and also if you have larger hands ;-)

You could try and use Rawaccel to change the rotation of the sensor and that may solve some of the stair-stepping from mis-alignment. Not sure how it'd affect the latency though so it might require a separate test.

Are you using the provided mouse drivers for each mouse, or just plug and play?

Are you considering to make a review of the XM2 wireless when it comes out and give it a try? Wanna see your thoughts on it after playing with it for a fair bit of time.

I just really want Zowie to put in the effort and catch up tbh. I've been using various EC1 models for about 10 years. I've tried getting used to other mice but every time I go back to the EC1 it's like coming home to your own bed after traveling. The size and shape is just the perfect fit for me. A wireless lightweight EC1 would be like walking on clouds.

@ProbablyBeats

Жыл бұрын

check out the pulsar xlite v2

@Snook_

Жыл бұрын

That's because you used it for so long. Just commit and change and youll suddenly realise your new 'home' or 'bed' isn't your old anymore. It's literally just time.

Was these testing for click and sensor both done in wireless mode or wired? I watched and couldnt quite tell as it wasn't stated. Also OT please release the LDAT testing results in a public spreadsheet !

How did you attach AIO to benchtable (BC1)? The screws included with the Kraken are too short. Did you mount the AIO before the motherboard or after?

At 1:28 it looks like you’ve replaced the skates aside from the sensor ring and kept it stock why is that if you don’t mind me asking? Great video btw was really helpful and gave answers to some questions I had.

would u do a mouse mat video for differernt syles of player and games and prices. saw your atrison one but i cant afford. but still want a a good pad for apex.

Great to see the multitude of awesome gaming mouses on the market considering the variability of hand shapes and sizes all over the world. Having the opportunity to choose from soooo many is a great thing to have 🥰🤯👍. Awesome vid and test rig Ali 🥰🤤.

Would you ever consider reviewing heavier mice? It would be nice to see such a detailed review those, Ive tried for years to play on a lighter mouse but can't do it

Have you tried the xm1r from endgame? It’s wireless version is available for pre order rn and it’s said to be even better

Where did you get that V-Slot Extrusion with the measuring marks on it?

I've got myself an upgrade from an R Basilisk to an L Pro x superlight due to your recommendation, and found the mouse of my dreams. The shape perfectly fits my hand, it's high enough in the palm area where I don't drag my hand on the mousepad, and it being so light reduces long playtime fatigue a lot. My KD in Apex also had seen nice improvement! So t hanks for those videos, they do bring a difference :D

@hdkobe.7448

Жыл бұрын

And the grip is that good or do you recommend to buy extra grip. And maybe another mouse feet?

would love to see you reviewing the pulsar xlite v2 / v2 mini

curious where your thoughts are on zowie mice? obviously they've been kind of behind ofr a while but with the talks about wireless soon should be cool seeing how they pair up

My boy flexing on his tracer's pulse stick. Nice video!

Is getting a g pro superlight with glass skates and a fast pad the same as having a mouse like the zaunkoenig m2k?

I have the Viper Mini and it's mostly great. My only complaint is the scroll wheel, it literally stopped working properly after like 6 months of use or something like that.

@juancarlosbuizon2099

Жыл бұрын

Got the same problem after 8 months of usage

@adamek9750

Жыл бұрын

Yep scroll wheel click stopped working after less than a year

@ddarth2497

Жыл бұрын

Viper mini with broken scroll wheel gang

@durps8815

Жыл бұрын

wait I thought that was just me LOL it's been like 2.5 years, my middle mouse click is starting to fail but it still has some life in it yet T-T

You deserve to be at the top you have great reviews great quality!

Rarely give thumbs up to videos but I can tell you really took the time to analyze everything to the minute details. Great job bro!

The video I've been waiting for!!!

You are definitely right when it comes to option. So many good options these days.

I'm surprised to not see the mk2 in this video. Is there any reason for that beyond pricing and availability?

Do you have any programs running when measuring mouse movement latency? I just got my G Pro Superlight and recorded the latency when moving it with a high speed camera. The delay is between 6 and 8 milliseconds in windows for me, so significantly lower than what you got.

Man I just want that M3K with the updated sensor hnnng. Oh and perhaps a slightly more flexible cable.

optimum u better see this you have the best combo of knowledge, genuineness/honesty, and testing methods on yt and ur one guy keep it up all love!

After going through countless gaming mouses in the past few years, the superlight is the one I settled on. Well rounded and cost is reasonable unlike the M2K

hey there good sir. is samsung G7 good for apex legends with 3080 and 5900x? i am worried about the scanline and flickering issues. Have they been fixed or am i going nuts for nothing? thank you

This is the only place I go for opinions on what to buy. Trust your opinion implicitly