Like always, remember to go follow KOD Championship: www.youtube.com/@KODChampionship Qi La La's channel here: www.youtube.com/@qilalawingchunxinyiliuhe2976

@stevenoconnor3256

10 ай бұрын

Wrestling or judo is a better grappling base for a Wing Chun practitioner. A better use of Wing Chun trapping is to clear the path for strikes and add some standing submissions like in shoot boxing.

@emilianosintarias7337

4 ай бұрын

MMA vs. MMA . See the octagon shaped cage and the mma gloves? When Daniel Cormier fights it's not called freestyle wrestling vs MMA

I'm always impressed by how much punishment Qi La La is able to take and still keep at it. If he has something down is courage and a ferreous fighting spirit, I just hope for the sake of his long term health he eventually learns to not be so overconfident with his guard, he needs to shell up when the situation calls for it.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

especially at his age. I don't know how long he can or even should keep this approach up.

Honestly... for a dude that transitioned to the semi mma game in his like early to mid 30s now basically 40 as a lifelong smoker, and trying to stick to his roots, he's still pretty fuckin good if you ask me. I'd put money that if he never smoked, did this in at least his mid 20s, and continued to improve his craft like he has been I think he'd be a whole new beast by now

Damn dude you fast. I saw this live yesterday and you have it uploaded already.

That was a good fight on both sides in all rounds until the end when Qi La La got gassed hard. Thanks for posting that one.

and the winner is…..Amis. she KO’ed me between every round

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha. Join the club 😇

@scary5455

Жыл бұрын

Simping?

@charless3108

3 ай бұрын

Just like how the Korean guy got hit between the legs

the issue with qi la la is that he geting old for mma fights(almost 40) plus he is smoking,so in his latest fights after the first round he gets tired and sturt clinching to his opponents all the time giving them a way for his opponents to graple with him,if you notice evey time he gets grabled is because he starts to clinch with them,he must stick to his wing chun ,stop smoking and do more cardio or else retire,he has already done more for wing chun than most (in the combat sport department)

QLL is one tough cookie. That's quite a few strikes to the face, but he stayed on his feet. The 10-second-max on the ground makes takedowns a waster of energy. I guess KOD is focused on striking. I like this QLL guy. Shows a lot of spirit.

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Unfortunately CTE risk if he keeps doing this.

shi la la s body and game so tight. and his body being so tight makes his game so tight cause in such great control and organisationalstructure. nice to see figth with him!!!

Watched it live...lets hear your commentary

Nice fight #fishongang approve

Qi la la lost a lot of points by hitting his opponent in the groin twice so it was very hard for him to win this .good fight thought

@sullyb23511

11 ай бұрын

Suk Min is a suck wad. There was no low blow.

Qi La La still has not improved on his stamina. His previous few fights have had the same trend - starting off well but gassing out in the later rounds. This guy is already 39. If he competed when he was much younger, in his 20s, we could probably have seen a much better wing chun practitioner in MMA.

@sullyb23511

11 ай бұрын

Qi La La is a smoker, unfortunately. Smoking is bullsh*t.

I have been laid out by both groin kicks and punches while wearing a cup. No reason to think it’s overacting.

Comment 15 on video catching up Qi La La did great, shame about the deduction but the first round was amazing 😄🥊.

bruh I've been kicked twice in the balls too on a sparring match, and then I surrendered in the 3rd round lol

These roundhouse style kicks that he's throwing, are they from tong bei? He always said that his style is primarily WC and tong bei.

Lot of respect for Qi La La, but man, if there were ever better evidence for my wing chun friends showing why you need to build high guard habits into your arsenal...

The low blow was possibly from the knee?/front kick? at 8:52 that started the cramping and reverberated by the jammed sidekick by ringing the cup with a glancing blow

Qi la la the only wing chun person i love

@lionsden4563

Жыл бұрын

Not a Wing Chun guy anymore.

@CasshernCasshern

Жыл бұрын

@@lionsden4563 he is a wing chun guy,waht are you talking about?

@lionsden4563

Жыл бұрын

@@CasshernCasshern, He only uses a small portion of Wing Chun in his fight because he knows that Wing Chun by itself is almost useless.

@CasshernCasshern

Жыл бұрын

@@lionsden4563 he is using fully wing chun because he knows wing chun is good as himself said .the only useless thing here is your comment and random assumptions troll

@lionsden4563

Жыл бұрын

@@CasshernCasshern, No. Wing Chun is almost useless by itself. That's why he lost many of his fight. I can see that you're a gamer.

can't believe he missed that heel hook. it was right there

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. He was too busy thinking about his acting skills 😂

@jackontv491

11 ай бұрын

Maybe he did miss it, but I would imagine with the nature of heel hooks that they are probably avoided either through lack of training them to avoid the risk of snapping ligaments and tendons or in some cases maybe even avoided on purpose for fighters who are more conscious of their opponents' health

@elenchus

11 ай бұрын

​@@jackontv491 that's how it was in the old days. When I was a kid in the mid-2000s, you learned heel hooks but they were considered to be sort of uncivilized or rude to actually use in rolling. Interestingly (although it makes sense physiologically) we were OK with the straight ankle lock, which we called the Achilles lock. Anyway, I suppose if his jiujitsu gym is super old school they may still go that way. These days the heel hook is such a staple that really blue belts and up are training it pretty constantly, and few bother with the old straight ankle lock now.

Surprised he didn’t go for that perfect heel hook setup

"Looking for an arm bar, went for the wrong arm" hahaha. That's what the surgeon said, went for the wrong arm.

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha

QI LA LA has like more fights than anyone on this channel hasn't he?

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

hmm probably, maybe also boxing girl

Qi La La has a very hard punch, he drops dudes with jabs lol

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

Yeah hahaha

@CasshernCasshern

Жыл бұрын

this is waht wing chun is suppose to work when done properly

That iron face technique at the end by the wing chun guy was amazing.

@sullyb23511

11 ай бұрын

"The wig chun guy"? You area noob. Feel free to leave and do some research.

Both with great composure getting hit. Better to not get hit of course, but when they do it is no fooks given and charge ahead. Those nut shots looked real to me.

WC has hooks, they're in the Biu Ji (Biu Chi, Bil Jee, etc) form. They're not the best, but they do exist.

@lasciamoperde

Жыл бұрын

In realtà quello è un Lan Sao a mano chiusa... Il gancio nel WC non ha motivo di esistere, in quanto va contro la catena cinetica dell'arte e va a scoprire la linea centrale. Tutti i pugni del Wing Chun devono passare per la linea centrale, quindi al massimo puoi trovare il montante (presente nella seconda forma)

Is QLL still smoking every day? That would explain his cardio struggle!

this video should be called: 'win chun guy has some success at low level MMA by using muay thai and jujitsu'

Great fighting spirit shown by both of them. Many wild strikes that looked like they hurt. But unfortunately none really dealing critical damage (except for the illegal ones apparently lol). If only some WC-style punches/techniques or something similiar to that were to be delivered with some serious bone-jarring power...

Yo. I dont think you have covered the manny Pacquiao 'vs' dk yoo exhibition

only the commentator could see "..some kind of Wing Chun moves..."

Wing chun doesn't have hooks, but it does have a form called biu jee (high elbow strikes). He was trying to invoke biu jee during that hook. Watch him step into elbow range and grab the neck. He was trying to lock the head in place for the elbow, and then the opponent was able to unplant him and push him out of range, so he improvised the elbow into a punch at the last second.

@mgk22

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, wing Chun does have hook punches I do wing Chun and we do hooks all the time plus you mention biu jee well hooks are in the biu jee

@texasgreentea1

Жыл бұрын

@@mgk22 There are no hooks in Ip Man's system. To my knowledge, there is no wing chun school outside of China that isn't under the lineage of Ip Man, so if your school has incorporated hooks, that's fine, and I even endorse that as good training practice. But the hooks are not wing chun. Wing chun is a very specific set of techniques. Dozens of schools have tried to add new techniques to it for decades, muddying the water of what the system is and what it's not. It's mostly ego-driven, like presuming you're allowed to make up words in your native language and expect everyone to accept them into the lexicon automatically. It's like saying, "I learned how to do an arm bar at my Muay Thai gym, therefore arm bars are obviously a Muay Thai technique and they always have been." No. You learned Muay Thai. You also learned an arm bar. You're doing MMA. It's okay to not cram every MMA technique into a given system. The more we do that, the more it makes the original system mean nothing. It's okay to admit that any given system is not necessarily a complete arsenal. It doesn't make the system less valuable.

@mgk22

Жыл бұрын

@@texasgreentea1 it is true certain moves might not be originally part of a certain system but in the case of wing Chun yes hooks are in them again the hooks are displayed in the biu jee they’ve always been idk why some schools don’t utilize them more but they are. I’m ok with admitting some stuff we do isn’t originally wing Chun for example my instructor likes to utilize movements found in Silat, Kali, Muay Thai in our system and admits they’re from those styles but they’re very wing Chun compatible many movements are similar since these are all Southeast Asian systems (I know wing Chun isn’t technically SEA but still it’s close to that area). And don’t try to be too narrow about what wing Chun is or has, it may certain moves and practices exclusive to it but there are different forms of wing Chun for example the Vietnamese Wing Chun has unique set of movements distinct from the Chinese system its almost a weird blend of Muay Thai since they emphasize more elbows and knees then a lot of the mainstream Chinese Wing Chun systems.

@Erime

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen anything remotely like a hook in any biujee form. Please can you reference the exact move you are referring to? Wing Chun follows the spirit of its knives/short swords, which are thrusting and slashing weapons - utilising direct straight lines for efficiency. And for empty hand it uses elbows for power strike - up close and intimate, just like the knives. In fact, traditionally, it is considered the best counter to a hook, because it launches in directly in straight line - untelegraphed - to arrive before the opponent's telegraphed hook - to stun and trap them, after which elbow finishes. That's the ideal, anyway. T Ferguson pretty much emulated it against Pettis in UFC.

@texasgreentea1

Жыл бұрын

@@mgk22 It's fine to create a new style based on wing chun. Bruce Lee did it. But he didn't keep calling it wing chun. That would have been weird. RE: hooks, I think most wing chun people would like to see a video of someone doing a version of biu jee that has hooks. I've seen a dozen variations of biu jee, and all are very similar to my school's biu jee with slight variations. I've never seen one with hooks. If Ip Man's forms had hooks, why would all his students remove them?

Korean guy definitely faking that low blow, I repeated the second low blow scene and the kick was higher up.

Qilala has a big advantage in the first round. Is there any objection to this?

MMA vs. MMA . See the octagon shaped cage and the mma gloves?

Il est où le wing chun?

Sometimes I wish they had a fighting tournament that allowed groin strikes, I wonder how it would shift things. But who would participate? Eunuchs

@angryzombie8088

Жыл бұрын

and females. UFC in the early days allowed groin strike but have no female fighters. Dont know about Eunuchs.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Fighting styles would adapt to make groin shots much more difficult.

@angryzombie8088

Жыл бұрын

@@elenchus They already did, by wearing a cup. For me groin shot it treated like any other shot, block, deflect or evade. What is your idea of adapting?

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@angryzombie8088 Pretty much that. But I've never participated in a combat sports where groin strikes were legal and people were going for them, so I don't know how we would have to adapt, if at all.

@toyoseries

5 ай бұрын

You ever heard of vale tudo?

I can't believe Qi la la is 37.

@toyoseries

5 ай бұрын

He's 40 now, actually

Wing Chun does indeed have hook punches.

Little correction: hook punch is in wing chun. It's just neglected by wc practitioners unfortunately...

@lasciamoperde

Жыл бұрын

Il gancio non appare in nessuna forma (quello che vedi nella Biu Ji è un Lan Sao a mano chiusa) né esercizio del Wing Chun, oltre ad andare contro i principi di protezione della linea centrale... Al massimo puoi trovare il montante, ma non il gancio...

@kikkovargiolu

10 ай бұрын

@@lasciamoperde esistono anche degli stili varianti che aggiungono l'uso del gancio

@lasciamoperde

10 ай бұрын

@@kikkovargiolu il problema è che il gancio nel wing chun non ha motivo di esistere, poiché andrebbe contro i principi e la struttura dell'arte... Nel wing chun si usa la torsione del tronco solo come conseguenza alla forza nemica (quindi assorbendo la sua pressione e restituendola con un diretto) o se qualcuno ti attacca da un angolazione laterale, e girandoti verso di lui colpisci (vedi "gancio" nella terza forma, che poi è un Lan Sao a mano chiusa)

@kikkovargiolu

10 ай бұрын

@@lasciamoperde guarda io sono un praticante e abbiamo due sifu uno stile ip man classico (se possiamo chiamarlo così )e l'altro e uno stile variante e giusto quello che dici ma fidati non togliamo nessuno principio della linea centrale ovviamente non è proprio un gancio forse più mezzo gancio (sono cintura gialla non ho comunque molta esperienza ancora però questo è il mio parere da ciò che ho imparato)

unpopular opinion: make groin shots legal (you can still have the cup if you want). The fighters will adapt to protect themselves.

@Rambo2492

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, however, every fight would be finished via groin strike tko lol

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@Rambo2492 it'd be interesting to learn. If fighters really can't adapt to a simple groin kick, then it may just mean martial arts, outside of sports, aren't worth it. But I'm guessing stances and techniques would change to compensate.

@toyoseries

5 ай бұрын

I mean... when the ufc days and vale tudo allow groin shots in their competition, a lot of the time, the fighters don't really do it.

we 100% have hooks in Wing Chun

MMA guy was going for the open target.

He legit was low blowing.

Korean pop stars

When I see wing tsun guys actually fight , they dont seem to use wing tsun much at all.

Did QI LA LA fought in the UFC

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

No UFC for him. He’s 41. But maybe he could do a special match for One Championship.

@ThePerceptor555

Жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary Maybe against Yodkaikaew?

Respect to Qi La La, he block the punchs with his face, not many dare to do that.

human arms are like flapping grasshopper wings, martial arts built on trapping arms I don't think are functional. grabbing the neck, hips, and legs makes more sense because these things are still in a fight

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

that and torsos and legs just tend to move a lot more slowly than fists. It's very hard to catch a real, improvised series of punches coming at you in time to execute a complex response, but a level change to a double leg is not so hard...the legs aren't just going to disappear in a tenth of a second and be somewhere else.

@emilianosintarias7337

Жыл бұрын

it's a misunderstanding of wing chun due to the historical era we are in, just like jiujitsu was misunderstood and almost useless in the Kano era. In real wing chun, trapping is basically 2 things : keeping your hands out as feelers and off-balancers to make sure you don't try to punch something that can move freely (like Jon Jones ), and training your flurry to check an arm out of the way if it blocks you and keep flurrying. Anytime you see people hunting or chasing arms to trap them, that's not wing chun, but ironically thats what makes people recognize wing chun.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

​@@emilianosintarias7337 "Anytime you see people hunting or chasing arms to trap them, that's not wing chun, but ironically thats what makes people recognize wing chun." The problem here is not necessarily that you're wrong (although you might be), it's that I don't think a style called wing chun even exists to be defined. Wing chun seems to be a dozen or more different styles, many of which think the others are wrong or fake. There is no consensus view on what wing chun is for someone to speak authoritatively about. While there will always be some technical disagreement between schools in a martial art, like Muay Thai or Brazilian jiujitsu, virtually all of either of those styles (for example) is accepted universally, with only some technical differences here or there. You could learn jiujitsu from Marcelo Garcia and it would be very close to the same stuff you'd learn from Roger Gracie, but this doesn't seem to be the case with wing chun. I get many comments like this, in fact, it's one of the most common comments I receive. They're something to the effect of "that guy that lost didn't have real wing chun. In real wing chun, you would do X, and he did Y, and that's why he lost. If he were doing real wing chun he would have won." But the people making those comments are in direct disagreement with one another. I'm no wing chun expert, I have no special authority to decide which wing chun is real (if any, given the style's dubious beginnings), and because none of the commentators have yet to have recorded, repeatable success using their wing chun in real fights, I have no idea if any of them are onto something.

@emilianosintarias7337

Жыл бұрын

@@elenchus 1. That's the reality of martial arts vs combat sports. You're confusing the two .Muay Boran has arguments, secrecy, etc. Muay thai doesn't. But almost all wing chun has most of the same forms, weapons, names of moves etc so I don't know what you are talking about. My background is BJJ, not wing chun, i have just been around it, as well as boxing (which uses trapping sometimes), so I can compare. I have only ever done combat sports but I have "crossed hands" with both fake and real tma people. 2. My comment is totally nothing like that at all for many, many reasons. Wing chun can lose. I already said it isn't technique based, it's principle based. And I don't think wing chun is useful in MMA anyway. I also think its mostly lost. I am sure it will come back since it makes sense to use for what its for (not mma or sparring). If you want an example of a real wing chun guy, check out Adam Chan's channel. Nothing on there will convince you , i am just telling you because i know him to be real by getting hit by him and by his students, which include a Lumpini stadium champion. 3. Everything that works in the real world stays as secret as it can stay, while accomplishing its goals. In combat sports that means gameplans, fight camps, but generally there is just little chance of secrecy. You lost a lot of advantages, but at least there are no fakes. In TMA which it is much, much more and the side effect of that is lots of fakes and crappy practitioners. That runs the risk of arts being "lost" for periods of time. I don't think you and other kung fun deniers really understand the implications of what you are saying. To say that back when fighting was legal, guns were rare, and the world was way more violent, people were bad at fighting and hid that behind mumbo jumbo -it makes no sense. Add that we get almost all our moves in MMA, from their arts, and it becomes crazy.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

​@@emilianosintarias7337 "1. That's the reality of martial arts vs combat sports." The martial arts used in combat sports are also martial arts (jiujitsu or Muay Thai, for instance). "But almost all wing chun has most of the same forms, weapons, names of moves etc so I don't know what you are talking about." It's not what I'm talking about, it's about what wing chun fans talk about. On any given wing chun video the comments are full of people arguing that it wasn't real wing chun because it wasn't their style of wing chun, and they should have been doing X instead of Y. The story changes per video. The no true Scotsman fallacy is probably the single most common argument from wing chun fans on these kinds of videos. "Everything that works in the real world stays as secret as it can stay, while accomplishing its goals." There's literally no way to know that. "I don't think you and other kung fun deniers really understand the implications of what you are saying. To say that back when fighting was legal, guns were rare, and the world was way more violent, people were bad at fighting and hid that behind mumbo jumbo -it makes no sense." I think there are quite a few problems with this statement, but I want to focus on one, which I think is the core of basically all TMA vs. non-TMA debates, namely the elevation of rationalism over empiricism. In your mind, the reasoning that kung fu should be good based on certain arguments trumps the actual observed reality that kung fu is not, in fact, good. It's really this kind of thinking, the idea that "it works in theory" or "great master X used it successfully" being prioritized over our contemporary real-world observations of what happens where I think things really diverge. Rationalism is just not very useful when evidence is available because it's so unreliable. But to set aside the sort of logical issues here and to touch on the factual claim, I don't know how you would have determined that just because ancient people didn't have guns that they were necessarily very talented with martial arts. Presumably the entire planet went through millions of years of similarly violent, pre-gun development, but they (those outside of China) didn't create kung fu, which I infer you view as a necessary outcome of that situation. Indeed, lots of ancient practices have lasted for centuries and in critically important areas like medicine, such as bloodletting and numerous shamanistic tribal rituals which also don't work. Essentially, it's an argument from antiquity fallacy. We cannot reason from "it's old" to "it's good."

wing chun have hooks too

Video idea: You get kicked in the balls multiple times and we watch you not react like you expect this fighter to do. Should be no problem to take some groin strikes and not show pain.

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Okay.

@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe

Жыл бұрын

The kick at 6:09 was above the waist. It was a tko.

@notgnar8506

Жыл бұрын

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe so he wasn't faking the pain. Got it.

@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe

Жыл бұрын

@@notgnar8506 Pause the video at 8:09. Where is Qi la la,'s foot? I rest my case. The Korean was in pain, from a side stomp kick to the abdomen, not groin.

@notgnar8506

Жыл бұрын

You're arguing with Fight Commentary Breakdown not me, I believe the warrior was in pain.

He really needs to work on his defense skills.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

that's something I've thought about lately. Wing chun fighters seem to be much less skilled defensively than offensively, which is odd given how much of the style is made up of trapping and blocking

@toyoseries

Жыл бұрын

​​@@elenchus At least amongst each other? Yes. Against other styles? Not so much.

@emilianosintarias7337

Жыл бұрын

@@elenchus that's not odd because in self defense, offense is everything and much more effective than in sparring. If you are duking it out with someone, why use wing chun at all? If being jumped in an elevator, why try to spar?

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@emilianosintarias7337 "that's not odd because in self defense, offense is everything and much more effective than in sparring. If you are duking it out with someone, why use wing chun at all? If being jumped in an elevator, why try to spar?" I'd flip the question to wing chun and ask why the majority of their technical syllabus is defensive if defense is either unimportant or counterproductive.

@ricksterdrummer2170

10 ай бұрын

@@elenchusI think someone gave you a veeeery wrong perspective on Wing Chun. There is no “defense” in Wing Chun. It’s all about offense. Blocks are used simultaneously with punching. Trapping is used for entering.

Wait your Chinese is so good are you Taiwanese

Hooking is DEFINITELY in Wing Chun. I don't know what the narrator is talking about. Maybe he doesn't fully know Wing Chun.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe that Ip Man managed to beat 20 odd Karateka/Judoka one after the other or multiple at once

@angryzombie8088

Жыл бұрын

Ip Man ddint master the art of blocking punch with his face, that is why he can fight 20 at once.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

yeah it'd be nice if they could start by beating one guy

@toyoseries

Жыл бұрын

You know that's a movie, right?

Lee Suk Min uts

The hook is in Wing Chun but they don`t learn how to use that in real fight. Reason is always the same. 90% teachers don`t have real fights in life.

Qi La La has got to keep his hands up, he does a great job parrying and trapping, but he just eats jabs and punches that slip past his arms and doesn’t seem to be blocking much at all

The problem with this kid is that he never learn any previous mistakes that he had done before. He should've improve his defense, his footwork, his head movements, his angles, his Kickboxing and grappling. Stop relying too much on Wing Chun. It will never work.

@yourworstnightmare1488

Жыл бұрын

this is why a clean wing chun technique was not shown here, it simply does not work

@lionsden4563

Жыл бұрын

@@yourworstnightmare1488, Agreed.

@qilalawingchunxinyiliuhe2976

Жыл бұрын

對你可以有作用

Hows is that wing chung😂😂

With a cup or not, lowblow is a lowblow, should not ever complain like a beach about the rules, period. And plus a bit of rest is what your boy sorely needed. Muay Thai stand square too but have more effective defense than WC.

QLL is not gonna have much brain left if he can't figure out some better head defense.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

at his age I hope he really puts a lot of thought into how he wants to proceed

Shi lala is good but he really try to implement wing Chung instead of focusing on winning the fight. Whenever he tryed it he get 2 or 3 hit. Too bad he have great potential and good move set, his foot work are very effective but wing Chung attack have too low impact. Interesting match.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

yeah wing chun has to really be refined in hard sparring, not the ring. I'm reminded of the time Muhammad Ali revealed the rope-a-dope strategy in an interview BEFORE the big fight. He had already perfected it before the first time he ever used it in a competition. Granted, it assumes that wing chun even can be refined in hard sparring.

Come on, even wearing a cup groin strikes or impacts can hurt like hell. Yes, acting was involved but that I believe was the MMA fighter trying to gain some sympathy from the judges …

@FightCommentary

Жыл бұрын

Is your profile picture Edbassmaster?

Who tf is commenting lmao

I swear every video of Qi La La is just him getting beaten up by low ranking regional level fighters, he's doing a great service proving all Wing Chun haters right.

Wing Chun offers distinct benefits over MMA due to its specialized focus on close-quarters combat and efficient techniques. Its emphasis on simultaneous attack and defense, centerline control, and economy of motion allows practitioners to neutralize opponents quickly. The system's compact structure and reliance on sensitivity training develop lightning-fast reflexes and spatial awareness. Unlike MMA, Wing Chun avoids prolonged ground fighting, reducing vulnerability to multiple attackers. Additionally, Wing Chun's holistic approach promotes mental discipline, mindfulness, and self-awareness. By honing strategic positioning and exploiting an opponent's weaknesses, Wing Chun provides a practical and effective self-defense system with real-world applicability.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

it offers distinct theoretical benefits but few, if any, actual ones

@yourworstnightmare1488

Жыл бұрын

yeah yeah in fantasy fights i has a very distinct advantage

Wrong wingchun at legs, so punches is very weak

"Low blow " haha No such thing in the streets, nor is there a ref to pull your opponent away from you while you recover from a strike to the groin or eyes.

finally ,its proven that whatever style you have at the end you just use your fists like in ordinary street fight, or the legs!

I don't know about you guys but MMA and Classic Martial forms of Combat are 2 very different things... When i doing TKD and Kung fu,it wasn't considered as a Sport,i was taught to defend myself... It wasn't for points or TKO's,u were taught with the understanding that is to be used during situations that were genuinely dangerous or life threatening... If u then put me in a ring against an MMA fighter and then stopped me from being able to use 80% of my arsenal i.e..Throat strikes ,finger strikes to soft points,groin kicks etc.. Then I would lose.. Wing chun and karate were founded to defend against other soldiers or enemies who were trying to kill you before u kill them.. It makes classic Martial arts look weak and ineffective, and most of what I was taught wouldn't be applicable in a ring... And all these Bullshido masters dont help..lol..what do you guys think, I'd be interested to hear..

@ashurafreedan

7 ай бұрын

Muay thai was used in wars, as was sambo and krav maga. In grapping, you literally can put a person to sleep in 10 seconds and kill them. Saying traditional martial arts cant be used cause its letal is a heavy cope, considering arms,/legs/jaws get broken in MMA and if you dont tap out you die/break something. Every martial arts has something lethal. Also note that even the Chinese government doesnt believe in kung fu. They brought in MMA experts to fight indian troops in the mountains. Not wushu but MMA. What does that tell you?

SERIOUSLY... do they just look for the _worst_ wing chun fighters to put up against mma fighters?... every example I've seen, the wing chun 'masters' have seemed pretty un-trained.

The Wng Chun guy is using Jiu Jitsu punching hooks, and shoulder strikes. So...He's using MIXED martial arts!

@arggh215

Жыл бұрын

bruh where tf did u get that emoji 😂😂😂

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

ah the legendary...jiujitsu hooks? maybe this is r/whoosh for me

@wesleyjackson7487

Жыл бұрын

shoulder strike are used in some kung fu styles like bajiquan as for the hooks he learned that from another kung fu style

@emilianosintarias7337

Жыл бұрын

wing chun already includes some boxing because a famous wing chun master beat a western boxer and liked what he saw in the fight, about 90 years ago i think.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@emilianosintarias7337 "wing chun already includes some boxing" I suppose it'd depend on how you define boxing, but I suppose in the broadest sense it does. Its practitioners don't seem to be able to use it in real fighting, but yes, there are some vaguely similar punches between boxing and wing chun. "because a famous wing chun master beat a western boxer and liked what he saw in the fight, about 90 years ago i think." I think you're probably referring to the famous story of Giko, the Russian pro boxer whom Wong Shun Leung defeated despite the boxer being over twice his size and weight. The problem with this story is that, like almost all wing chun stories, is that there is no reason to believe it ever happened. In my extensive research, I was never able to substantiate the existence of Giko or find any reliable records that the fight ever took place. During my in-depth quest to locate Giko, I did find a famous ballet called Gayane from the Soviet Union which was very popular during the period in which WSL was supposed to have defeated Giko (in this case, the 1950s). In the play, the antagonist, also named Giko, is a violent Russian brawler. Given that the story of wing chun itself was taken from a radio play (a reimagining of the famous 19th century work of fiction generally called Everlasting), I think it's possible that Giko was inspired by the ballet, which received a lot of radio play globally (it went on to inspire the score for both 2001: A Space Odyssey and Aliens). This, at least, is the only Giko that I've been able to find that was at the right time and possibly in the right place (Hong Kong, via the radio or a live performance) and it very vaguely seems to match the description. There's no way to know for sure, of course. At any rate, history and mythology aside, the alleged possibility that at some point some wing chun guy fought some boxing guy wouldn't mean that wing chun had automatically incorporated boxing, much less 75+ years of refinements to boxing.

its not wing chun

Wing Chun?? Haha

No Wing Chun happen.

no wt here...wtf

I like this Asian MMA more because ground fighting is boring lol

Qi La La's weakness is his Wing Chun. I commend him for trying to use it. Though he starts to get some momentum going and actually putting pressure on his opponent. Then he tries to mix in that Wing Chun blocking and it just doesn't work for him. He eats too many shots trying it and it puts him back on the back foot. He doesn't seem to be using it because its practical or its the right call for the situation. He seems to be using it to showboat a little and for the sake of principle. If it's causing you to just constantly eat shots. Change tactics dude.

@qilalawingchunxinyiliuhe2976

10 ай бұрын

你跟我來一次敢嗎？

I wonder why kung fu can't evolve like karate. Karate too used to be kata based martial arts but they turned into more practical styles (Shotokan/Kyokushin) pretty fast.

@m5a1stuart83

Жыл бұрын

it is because cultural revolution that happened in China I guess. The govt restrict more and more their own martial arts. Only 3 survive, Sanda, Shuai Jiao and Qin Na. They are more practical.

@bluepin3005

Жыл бұрын

Shotokan and wing chun are equally impractical imo. Kyokushin is functionally similar to sanda, both of those are modern styles based off a traditional martial art (karate/kung fu) but have added in a lot of moves from other styles to make them more useful.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@m5a1stuart83 the cultural revolution didn't affect wing chun directly, which continued developing free of the CCP's influence in British Hong Kong. At any rate, kung fu was widely practiced outside of the PRC in addition to wing chun (like in Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Britain, and other areas).

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

@@bluepin3005 Evidence suggests that shotokan is much more practical, with a far higher success rate in fights.

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that, at least by the advent of the 20th century (but probably before it), karate was ever purely forms. You can find (linking one example here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZ2ZzZqFncSvZbQ.html) early examples of karate sparring from the early 20th century; it's primitive, but most martial arts were at the time compared to today. When I look at the oldest examples of kung fu sparring, it generally just looks like two guys that have never fought before in their entire lives (the famous tai chi vs white crane match, for instance, and that was mid-20th century). While karate was no doubt strongly influenced by kung fu, and specifically white crane kung fu, it also did most of its development independently of kung fu and became very much its own thing. This is not uncommon in cultural output; for instance, the English language comes from German, yet the two languages are so wildly disparate that there is barely a word understood between them. As per why karate is slow to develop and kung fu basically doesn't develop at all, it's the "traditional" aspect. In kung fu, you must exactly imitate a mythological founding figure to be good. It doesn't matter if the techniques work or not, just that they are, as near as possible, a perfect replica of the quasi-deity that founded the style. Karate has the benefit of largely learning from people who actually lived, and also the fact that their great masters tend to appear much more often. Instead of trying to imitate the fictional character of Ng Mui from centuries ago, you're imitating Funakoshi which might exist during your lifetime, or in many cases might have died only 25 years before you began practicing karate. There is still that obsession with tradition, but because their masters appear much more frequently, the tradition itself is evolving at a pretty good pace. Funakoshi himself revolutionized the system from his teachers.

Qi la la is a dog bro

Wonder why the Chinese are so behind when it comes to actual combat tests…

@bluepin3005

Жыл бұрын

they're mediocre in mma (with a few notable exceptions) but pretty good in kickboxing

@atheist-karate-guy

Жыл бұрын

@@bluepin3005 yet, no Chinese kickboxing world champions…with a population that towers every other country..

@bluepin3005

Жыл бұрын

@@atheist-karate-guy Wei Rui won a K-1 belt.

@bluepin3005

Жыл бұрын

@@atheist-karate-guy Belts don't mean as much in kickboxing anyways because the sport is so fragmented in the modern era. Beating good opponents is more important, and there's plenty of examples of elite Chinese guys beating elites from other countries--and vice versa. But I get the feeling you don't watch kickboxing at all.

@atheist-karate-guy

Жыл бұрын

@@bluepin3005 one guy?? Wow the entire country must be great……….

Wing Chun guy can take punches but he doesn't have good defense and his weak power.

That not style wing chun fight Look like mma

Qui la la is better 😂 I think

wing chun is no match for mma . wing chun is a bullshido 😂😂 search wing chun vs boxing the boxer use one hand

where wing chun?

@elenchus

Жыл бұрын

he's eliminated a lot of it in order to, presumably, improve his performance, but you can still catch a glimpse of it here or there with parries and straight shots

@qilalawingchunxinyiliuhe2976

Жыл бұрын

你母親那裡

Wingchung great for demonstrating real life load bollocks