You have no idea how close you were to death. You didn't even know what you were betting on...

@digitalradiohacker

2 ай бұрын

He didn't put nothing up.

@jwr6796

2 ай бұрын

@digitalradiohacker He's been putting it up his whole life, he just didn't know it.

@digitalradiohacker

2 ай бұрын

@@jwr6796 Well, I have to see about closing now.

This was a short without being a short. A proper use of the shortform format.

Re: that dollar... did he ever ask you, "What's the most you ever lost on a bet?"

"just a dollar, which it is" - as another former MSFT developer who also worked on Windows (7/8), thanks for writing your book and helping me get more aligned with my mental state/what comes along with that. It took a long time for me to understand what is meant by symbolic gestures, and I wish I had been more appreciative of them earlier.

@MicahThomason

2 ай бұрын

Bro, what was up with Vista???

@SeanBZA

2 ай бұрын

@@MicahThomason Vista was the early alpha of Win7. That code base was eventually fixed up enough that it was released, stripped of all the patches and recompiled back down into solid blocks, and sold as Win7, with a few search and replace runs to find all the "Vista" and replace with "7" on the source code. Biggest issue with Vista was that MS was deliberately allowing it to run on machines that were entirely too slow and resource constrained to actually run it, simply because those were the machines XP was able to run on with sort of good performance. Run it now on modern hardware and it runs well, though not with UEFI bios, but put it in a VM that has legacy BIOS and it is very responsive.

@kevinabate6056

2 ай бұрын

I liked 8 and everything that people thought was strange about it. I was disappointed 10 wasn't more like 8. It was an interesting demo nonetheless.

@kevinabate6056

2 ай бұрын

I liked 8 and everything that people thought was strange about it. I was disappointed 10 wasn't more like 8. It was an interesting demo nonetheless.

@noJobProgrammer

2 ай бұрын

Hi, could you please explain why Microsoft has chosen not to adhere to the unix philosophy during windows os development?

Gather round kids, this is history!

Sweet sound of victory is priceless. Pinning to the “board” forever memory

He had a good suggestion, that dollar's value is way more than its face value. Even Scrooge McDuck kept his "First Dime" stored in a display case.

I have some news for you: your friend Bob also goes by the name "Anton Chigurh"

More war stories, please Dave? I joined the external beta team testing Windows 3.1 to Windows 98 upgrade paths and enjoyed the journey testing things until Windows 8 and then it all went by the wayside.

Cool story sir! I had a similar bet over a quarter, not a dollar. I was developing a Fanuc "macro B" program to make a hole drilling pattern "restartable". As written, if you broke a drill on the 3000th hole, with 4000 more to drill, you had to edit the main .NC program OR let the machine perform all the moves across the 3000 already-completed holes. I wanted to just have the CNC skip all the time-consuming motion and start at the next hole (usually the broken drill would be stuck in the hole where it broke, and had to be tig-welded to get it out). The original programmer claimed it couldn't be done, but I insisted it could. We bet a quarter, and I won. Taped it to my cork board, where is stayed until I retired some 10 years ago. I wonder if it's still there. Cheers!

I had the 486 dx2 66mhz. You had more ram than I did though. I remember using a very very early version of speech recognition back in the windows 95 (or maybe 98 days). It never worked properly. All my friends were laughing. Now we talk to everything. Scary what we have built. I am regretting moving computers this far. I don't know what the future holds, but I really do hope humans are smart enough to wield this technology.

@frubert123

2 ай бұрын

My boss at my "internship" in the early to mid 1990s had the company's first DX2-66 with 8Mb of ram. Remember clicking on the Word icon and Word just appeared instantly. Not the first or last time we thought machines would never need to get faster...

@Konarcoffee

2 ай бұрын

they're not hth

@Shedding

2 ай бұрын

I think the difference between the dx and sx was the absence of a math coprocessor. Anyone remember?

@mfbfreak

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, i remember the speech recognition from that era too. You had to train it on one single voice, and even then it would only barely work. Another completely outrageous 90s thing was the Mindsurfer, some expensive device that was supposed to pick up brain waves and do computer stuff with it, i don't remember what exactly. Maybe something visualisation or music related. We got to test it for free, but returned it. I was born in 1991 so my memories of the Win95 era are pretty vague. Mostly my older brother and his friends playing LAN games like Doom, Duke 3d and Quake 2, because we had 3 (technically 4, but that 4th one was a 386 that didn't run games very well) computers that my father managed to acquire from various work-related sources. And a 19" HP hub to connect them all, with proprietary network cards etc. I played multiplayer Grand Theft Auto a couple of times. I knew that if you crossed the rail lines in GTA straight, that you wouldn't get electrocuted - but at an angle you'd die. My brother didn't understand and cried IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAGGGGG, IT'S UNFAIR' or something lol. Undoubtedly it did lag but hey, little brother was still winning.

@frubert123

2 ай бұрын

@@Shedding yes-DX had the maths co-pro.

Wow 1994! Microsoft were penny pinchers! As a hustling student I had a Pentium 60 with 16 MB and a Tseng Labs W32p video card.

@Shedding

2 ай бұрын

I went to school with the son of the founder of Tseng labs. I don't know what happened to him, but he was a good friend. I hope to reconnect.

@SeanBZA

2 ай бұрын

When you are giving the top devs new machines, the older ones sort of trickle down, and then the worst ones are left in the corridors for the garbage collectors to take away for recycling, or to take home.

Can only give you a like, already subbed for a long, long time. I remember loading the version of the shell that was released for Windows NT 3.51 and it worked pretty good. Should still have a CD buried somewhere here with it on it. Thank you for the work you did bringing that advancement to the NT line. Now if the people at Redmond today would just stop trying to eliminate that advancement and offering lameness as the replacement we'd be getting somewhere.

This is such a geeky and wholesome story. I remember you telling it before, but I still love it.

"YOU HAVE TO BOOT IT, I CANT BOOT IT FOR YOU"

@spasticjackson9578

5 сағат бұрын

haaaaaa that was very good. I came to see how many Cigurh references were here. Nice job.

Another day another dollar. But this one is special. Thx for the story Dave!

Friend what a craz trip it has been, love hearing you talk about old-time hardware and software, remenber the days...a long strange trip it's been

Thank you. Windows NT Workstation 4 is still one of my favourite operating systems. I used it more than Windows 95/98 back in that time.

nt4 and w95 on 486 was slow. i cannot image how precise the development must have been for the dev not to die in endless testruns.

No Country for Old Devs.

486 DX2-50 with 12 MB RAM. That was indeed a lot of memory!

Hi Dave, what a great story. My wife and I always find your delivery to be spot on, direct and clear. My wife, who is not into technology, finds your descriptions and explanations easy for her to follow and understand. I was wondering if I might impose on you a few questions. I am a six year anaplastic thyroid cancer survivor and am looking to document my journey for others presented with this rare form of cancer as a way to bring full circle closer on my unfortunate forced participation in this journey. Would you be so kind as to outline what you used for your camera initially and what teleprompter as well as what you use today. Any guidance and direction would be appreciated very much. Leep up the great videos as you share your experiences. James & Barbara Arseneau

wheres the dollar now?

@TheDemocrab

2 ай бұрын

That dollar rose up the ranks in various bets over the years, until now when its made it all the way onto the CEOs cork board.

What happened to the dollar in the End? You still have it?

Very nice format ❤

Nice story David. Have you worked with James Allard who started with Microsoft in 1991? You should consider doing an interview with him regarding his involvement creating the Xbox.

I left you a lucky 'like' , be sure to keep it on your channel for good luck 😃

That was a great story to wake up to this morning!

Where is the dollar now?

I get to watch two in one day, wow. Thanks Dave.

@randallgreen4084

2 ай бұрын

You bet I'll reply bot.

would be interesting to see what your opinions are on all the marketing and things around windows 95, such as Hover, the on CD promo videos, or 3d movie maker? or if you knew any of this was going on at the time.

i love these "not so old days" stories....

Hi Dave, please tell us about the back curtain stories of designing the custom draw technique used in Windows API. How did MS ended upon that idea and who is the master mind behind that etc etc..

Mounting bank notes on walls - Here's a true story: I was working in northeastern France in 1976. At the beginning of the project there was nothing to do on weekends so I went back to Paris each weekend and hung out at 'Harry's New York Bar', located near the Opera House. There's a large ( about 6' x 9') mirror behind the bar which you may not notice because it is covered in bank notes. In WW2, when Paris was under attack (by the German army), the concussion from a nearby shell cracked the mirror. The customers responded by contributing bank notes to cover the crack. Over the years they not only covered the crack but the entire mirror with notes from countries all over the world. When I was there I was told it was 10 layers deep (unverified). In a recent Paris travelogue (2022) I could see a shelf across the middle of the mirror....probably to keep the 2 halves stabilized lest they fall off the wall. If you get to Paris, stop in and take a look, and read the Bar's history on Wikipedia. Just inside to the left is a cabinet containing 'medicinal alcohol' which was sent over during WW1. The Bar started out in NYC.

I've seen some interesting YT content on the development of Windows 1, 2 and 3, and how those on the team didn't want to be working on it. It would be interesting if Dave has any insights into that time and the difficulties associated with building a GUI OS from scratch.

Was this a _No Country For Old Men_ reference? "Don't put it in your pocket, it's your lucky quarter."

@belstar1128

2 ай бұрын

he must have been a time traveller then because the movie is from 2008 and the book from 2005

@__Obscure__

2 ай бұрын

​@@belstar1128Or perhaps Dave embellished the story with this detail? Or maybe both _No Country_ and Bob Day were referencing some other older work.

@1ACorner

2 ай бұрын

thought the same thing!!

@spasticjackson9578

5 сағат бұрын

Clearly a reference. I am sure the Coen brothers didn't steal a line form a lonely office of two devs.

cool story,thanks

It looks like the Windows version of "Now it can be told" (The Manhattan Project memoir by General Leslie Groves)

Love this. Important question - do you still have the dollar bill? :-)

My first PC was a 486-SX25 with 8Mb ram, but I was trying get something better to run on my PC - DOOM! Who needs Windows anyway 😜

@toby9999

2 ай бұрын

I need Windows :). Never want to go back to those archaic DOS days. There were even systems with GUIs in the 80s. MS took a while to catch up.

@SeanBZA

2 ай бұрын

286/12 with a whole 1M of RAM, in 4 256k SIP modules plugged into the board....... And a small monochrome monitor as well.

haha... neat memory story. 😎🥳

12 megabytes? but why would anyone ever need more than 640k?

As a solarised dark user, I appreciate this.

Someday you will tell the story of why the Win95 shell was ported to NT4 instead of the Cairo Shell which was slated for that duty. I heard the story in real-time from BobDay, but it is not my story to tell.

@SeanBZA

2 ай бұрын

Think it was told here before, something to the effect that Cairo was forever being delayed, and MS wanted an interim release that was functional, would run 96 code mostly, and would also allow NT code to run as well at the same time.

@cwalker_8088

2 ай бұрын

@@SeanBZA There was a sudden reorg with the Cairo shell team being physically moved to Office and the task of porting the win95 shell being given to a few good programmers. There is a lot of backstory that *could* be told.

i wish you had put music from star wars to kind of accompany the story cause it's windows war lmfao

You wouldn't happen to have a copy (or access to it) of some early version of Microsoft Office for Windows NT that actually ran on top of DOS using PharLap's TNT DOS extender because Windows NT wasn't still ready? I heard about it a few years ago but I was never sure it wasn't an urban legend because no one seems to have a copy, but today after commenting on it in a KZread video I thought of asking ChatGPT and it confirmed that it did exist. It would be very curious (and fun) to see in action a version of Microsoft Office for Windows NT whose "minimum Windows version" was... MS-DOS 5.0? 😮

For as bad as the internals of Win9x were, the UI was among the best of the last 40 years, certainly better than what we're dealing with on Windows these days. Of course, the decay of the Windows desktop isn't as bad as GNOME, which went from "still world-beating 15 years later" to trash in just a few years.

@Starchaser38

2 ай бұрын

What happened to GNOME? I'm completely out of the loop with Linux.

@JonBrase

2 ай бұрын

The v2 to v3 transition (over a decade ago now) involved multiple significant and deliberate regressions in both GNOME and GTK. MATE forked off at that time, and was basically a 1-to-1 replacement, but I guess didn't have the manpower to fork GTK and eventually had to switch to GTK3, which reduced its quality significantly.

BOOT IT ! DAV-O

On Big Bang Theory, Sheldon wants to punch Bill Gates in the nose for Windows Vista. 🤪😆😂

This suddenly raised a question for me, that was probably answered somewhere on the channel at some point already, but how do you deploy and run a debug build of an entire OS? What was the process?

Well, Dave, you are an odd fellow, but I must say... you steam a good Windows.

@CFSworks

2 ай бұрын

You call NT "Steamed Windows"?

Lol. Thanks for sharing.

After you left and finally pulled it off that board, what did you spend it on? Or is it in a frame someplace new and cool?

Hello Dave, because you worked in microsoft I want to ask you something. The thing I want to know is if "Windows Codename Odyssey" had any builds and if yes how far in developement were they. I know you might not know anything about it but I guess it's woth a try. Thanks in advance

👍

😊👍

Woohoo!

If not asked...where is today?

if everyone who watched this sent me a lucky dollar, that sure would be a lot of luck!

👍 for the No Country for Old Men reference

@superduper6090

2 ай бұрын

This was before No Countey for Old Men was written

Do you still have that dollar? If so, where is it?

So, where’s the dollar now?

Did you keep the dollar bill after you left Microsoft?

Do you still have it?

Sorry to be negative but I have a little gripe: When there's words on the screen, I can't help but read them, even if the audio is the same as the words. It's why I hate subtitles when I can hear what is being said (obviously I understand the need for closed captioning, but it's not for me, it's for people who can't hear the audio). A great story, but I sat trying to read it while trying to listen to it and that just gets annoying. Still a 👍 from me for it.

@spasticjackson9578

4 сағат бұрын

minimize.

😇👍

:)

Dave u kinda cute

1 minute club!!!

@davesgarage that was cool, you got more

I wonder, did you all know about the 111 key for windows 95? It's funny that worked.

Did you ever get a sucker on your door?