Windows 10 SysMain Take 2 (Readyboost)

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Today I will give my final opinion if you should you disable Superfetch, or as its called in Windows 10 SysMain? In this video we are going to revisit out test on performance of Superfetch and see if there are ways to reduce the disk usage.
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  • @ps3customgamer
    @ps3customgamer11 ай бұрын

    Readyboost was awesome when you were trying to run a craptop in 2006 with 1gb ram and slow storage.

  • @clarkesuperman
    @clarkesuperman4 ай бұрын

    This is my first video of yours and I was so impressed with that transition at 7:57 was insane

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks. I do that so much now I created a preset in premier for it. 👍

  • @Baron-of_the-Middle-East
    @Baron-of_the-Middle-East2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for what you have given us, my friend. We wish more from you

  • @goromajima5250
    @goromajima52502 жыл бұрын

    There is no video on KZread about this. You cleared my queries ❤️

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was useful.

  • @Anuragkumar-iy9xe
    @Anuragkumar-iy9xe Жыл бұрын

    I agree with you I have disable my superfetch and it boost up my bootup speed and not getting any high disk usages

  • @joequaldieri2241
    @joequaldieri22412 жыл бұрын

    Been playing Diablo2 Ressurected lately and just found out about readyboost. Got a flash drive and have been given it a try and atleast in this it seems to help my load times and lag a noticeable amount. My laptops not the best which could have something to do with it. But for me this seems like it could be amazing for the games that run my laptop into the ground. Hopefully it helps my other games.

  • @SingeScorcher
    @SingeScorcher2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah got to keep it turned off on my end. The high disk usage was causing multiple games to crash/run poorly. What's weird to me though, is that right after booting sysmain would often barely make a blip in disc usage, but after running a game fullscreen for like 30 mins, it would turn on and just eat disk usage.

  • @jdekdskzksis6909
    @jdekdskzksis690911 ай бұрын

    TY so much for the tuto bro you are the goat

  • @butaudo1918
    @butaudo19182 жыл бұрын

    You should try using the PCIe Intel Turbo memory module as ready boost. I just ordered one for an old laptop just by the sake of it, since it has two mini pcie ports.

  • @AryanSingh-ju6wn
    @AryanSingh-ju6wn2 жыл бұрын

    thnx for the knowledge sire!

  • @OlettaLiano
    @OlettaLiano2 жыл бұрын

    My boot drive is a NMVe Gen4 M.2 so I have no problem with slow loads or high disk usage.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    In that case SysMain is a pointless service for you. In fact Windows automatically stops prefetching when an SSD is detected so the service isn't doing anything.

  • @joaomoraes8664
    @joaomoraes86642 жыл бұрын

    I use a SD Sandisk 32GB Extreme - Card in USB Card reader notebook , I Had one laying around for my Action Camera. As long as HDD is 100% it kicks in and helps !!!

  • @luhgarlicbread

    @luhgarlicbread

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @galax1t
    @galax1t Жыл бұрын

    We can leave sysmain, but with disabled function of pre launch applications. I mean enable only memory compression and use readyboost together in this order.

  • @hugoantunesartwithblender
    @hugoantunesartwithblender2 жыл бұрын

    As soon as I saw the title, this makes me remind me my current problem 100%disk. Previously, also thank to you, I allways solved it after each update. Not this time. Maybe I can try this method

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    This video isn't specifically about 100% disk usage but disabling SysMain does help. I have other videos that deal with that issues specifically.

  • @TeksonikAudio

    @TeksonikAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why do you keep deleting my posts? I'm trying to help Hugo with his high disk usage issue. WaaSMedic is a major culprit. Again research the issue. It is causing serious system degradation for some people. If you're trying to help then at least let them know about the WaaSMedic issue.

  • @hugoantunesartwithblender

    @hugoantunesartwithblender

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TeksonikAudio thank you, I know about it, but in my task menager doest appear on the top. Besides is really important, since if any malware turn off the windows updates, waasmedic will be what will allow me to update anyway

  • @RogerBjornerud
    @RogerBjornerud2 жыл бұрын

    I'm probably using ReadyBoost wrong, but Installing programs directly on ReadyBoost makes them start up really fast on my laptop

  • @hofferdaas
    @hofferdaas5 ай бұрын

    What about games? Does Sysmain helps to run faster in second time? Or when your game is over, does it help to run level faster? Has level loaded from RAM or from disk in case 1) using Sysmain and 2) not using? Or it will run faster (I mean from RAM) without Sysmain?

  • @drastixdx3874
    @drastixdx3874 Жыл бұрын

    For competive gaming and editing is this going to help fps?

  • @jboblk
    @jboblk2 жыл бұрын

    I wish people would test this with a USB that is actually a decent speed. Using the SanDisk extreme pro results in ssd-like speeds when launching programs with ready post.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe I'll try and repeat the test with a better thumb drive but the one I used wasn't bad.

  • @DerScheisse
    @DerScheisse2 жыл бұрын

    That's a great shirt.

  • @Zhunter5000
    @Zhunter50002 жыл бұрын

    Oddly enough, despite using an NVME drive as my main, superfetch is still caching apps from both it and a secondary SSD on my end. I have most of my games on a secondary HDD though, so I'm not sure if it's worth leaving enabled or not.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would disable it if your using an SSD.

  • @MegaGeorge1948
    @MegaGeorge194810 ай бұрын

    With a SSD drive, "system main" should not be needed. Because app launches are very quick with a SSD. I have found that SSD's are lightening fast with Windows 10. Ready Boost interfaces though a relatively slow 2.0 USB port. Also flash drives are made for file storage and are not a substitute for computer RAM that is much faster.

  • @matthewhoover6154
    @matthewhoover61542 жыл бұрын

    Mine is staying at 100 percent after turning it on and leaving it sit for 2 days. It always says 100 percent or mid 90s. I need to try this. Its so slow it wont even open the windows tab when I click the icon. Its a decent computer though this drives me crazy and I'm not really tech savvy enough to figure out what the problem is.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    Try this. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2efu86Fks6YYKw.html

  • @reyjaymarquez936
    @reyjaymarquez936 Жыл бұрын

    readyboost apply only for hdd right?

  • @MrBoomer004
    @MrBoomer0042 жыл бұрын

    I was Told by Staples Teck Guy that when 72 xxx RPM Hard Drive came out, Windows recognized and by default takes that fastest road to transfer information and Ready Boost became obsolete on that day.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, in my experience if a tech was good he wouldn't work at Staples. 😂😂

  • @TragerM
    @TragerM2 жыл бұрын

    Heehee at Jazz "gonna strangle you" Hands :)

  • @GWCGamingwithChittaarth
    @GWCGamingwithChittaarth2 жыл бұрын

    Hello there I am having this problem.. when I boot in the pc, my disk usage is 100% And after a while it goes down to normal 0-30% Also my harddisk is making alot of noises (not fan noise) Any fixes? I am buying SSD for sure ofc

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not uncommon to have hibiscusage when you first boot up. In regards to the noise your hard drive is making and it's probably failing. I would replace it as soon as possible and back up all of your data right away.

  • @GWCGamingwithChittaarth

    @GWCGamingwithChittaarth

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU the noise been up for now a year though. But thanks for suggesting. I am however planning on SSD next week (no matter my hard disk)

  • @NoEgg4u
    @NoEgg4u2 жыл бұрын

    What is the quality of the flash drive that you were using? Their speeds will vary wildly, depending on the model. Even if it is version 3.0, it could have write speeds of 5MB/s and read speeds of, perhaps, 50MB/s. Whereas, if you used, for example, a Samsung T5, it would have read and write speeds between 350MB/s to 450MB/s. To really know whether or not Superfetch is a viable tool, it should not be discounted due to a slow flash drive. It should be validated with a flash drive that is capable of not being a bottleneck. Perhaps you were using a fast flash drive. But you did not specify which flash drive you used, and I could not identify it from when you held it up in your video.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    The system I did the test on only supports USB 2.0. so it has limited read and write speeds. The USB drive used was an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer USB 2.0 drive. I believe they are typically around 20mb/s. Windows actually does a speed test on the drive when enabling readyboost to determine if the drive will be provide a benefit. Some slower drives will not work because they fail the speed test. The theoretical limit for USB 2.0 is about 60Mb/s but it's not likely you will every see that in a flash drive due to limitations in nand. However, I don't believe the speed of the drive would invalidate the test because my goal was to limit the io on the hard drive by using the USB drive. Since mechanical hard drives suffer from the 100% disk usage problem with SysMain enabled the purpose of the test was to move the prefetch off the mechanical drive to the USB drive in hopes that it would lower hard drive usage. At least the brief 100% usage at boot up.

  • @FroggyTWrite

    @FroggyTWrite

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU still think the slower flash drive would create a slower launch time if the flash drive is actually reading slower than a modern hdd with it's own cache

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FroggyTWrite The speed of a spinning disk is irrelevant when the disk is under 100% load. Read and write speeds regardless of their throughput will be massively limited by latency while the CPU waits for the drive to free resources.

  • @FroggyTWrite

    @FroggyTWrite

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU i'm talking about caching on the slow flash drive vs using the disk and it's cache. when using an old flash drive you may get 5-10MBs vs 50-70MBs on a 5400 rpm drive

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FroggyTWrite Yes, but if the hard drive is at 100% usage your not going to be able to take advantage of any performance benefit the drive provides. The drive cache will already be utilized. It's essentially like waiting in a long line for the fastest cashier when the slower cashier has no line. The faster cashier will definitely ring you up faster but by the time you make it through the line the slow cashier can already have you done and gone.

  • @JustMesmere
    @JustMesmere6 ай бұрын

    Hey bro, iam using a usb that worked on readyboost on someone else pc, but whenever i try, i never find the readyboost tab, i did almost everything and watched like every video about it, but it is still not working i guess its because iam using window 11

  • @adarshpandey9575
    @adarshpandey95752 жыл бұрын

    My laptop also uses something called Expresscache and I was wondering if it is related to the sysmain ?

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had never heard of that before so I just googled it. It looks like ExpressCache is a third party program for SSD caching. I'm not familiar with how it works but personally I would get rid of it myself.

  • @adarshpandey9575

    @adarshpandey9575

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU Thanks

  • @ut561
    @ut5619 ай бұрын

    standby memory ?

  • @ivankaleoniefuchs333
    @ivankaleoniefuchs333 Жыл бұрын

    I liked your video much, but my main reason for using a USB drive operating in a Ready Boost mode ist that I'm using das USB drive as extra Physical Memory RAM...Not to Prefetch. I've Benchmark many times using my USB drive as extra Physical Memory RAM und it ist 5 times faster than accessing your Paging (Swap) file Virtual Memory when your system has need for extra RAM in high-animation environment online gaming it ist working great for me in this way. Das USB drive used in this way does not speed up my program loading times, but that ist not what I'm using it for anyway. You must have das Ready Boost enabled to use your USB drive as extra Physical Memory RAM even if das USB drive ist not used to actually Prefetch data. If you wish you can also use your USB drive for both at das same time...a partial allocated Physical Memory RAM, und extra hard-drive space if you do not Dedicate all of your USB drive to Ready Boost RAM only. Honestly, I haven't any problem with a program loading in 1 or 2 or a few seconds slower anyway using Prefetch mode...Simply not that important to me...That ist only two blinks of your eyes. :-) I like your videos though...They can be very helpful to many people I believe. :-) Have a fun day. Auf Wiedersehen :-)

  • @snrcomputers.nirmallouis
    @snrcomputers.nirmallouis Жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @canadian2fur532
    @canadian2fur5322 жыл бұрын

    Super fetch or system main needs to be turned on for me otherwise I get 100% disc usage and startup takes 10min as opposed to maybe 1 min with it on.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    I didn't experience any difference in boot time in my testing. However, I did see short spikes of 100% disc usage after boot up with SysMain turned on.

  • @roycesmith308
    @roycesmith3082 жыл бұрын

    DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THIS QUESTION. I HAVE WINDOWS 10. A STRICTLY GAMING COMPUTER. ONLY ONE GAME I PLAY. L4D. SOMETIMES, WHILE GAMING, THE GAME FREEZES AND I GET A LOUD SCREECHING NOISE FROM HEADSET. I DO A CTRL/ALT/DLT ,, BUT I HAVE TO DO IT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE IT TAKES AFFECT. THEN I SHUT DOWN THE GAME AND RESTART. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR GAME EVER SINCE I GOT THIS PIECE OF JUNK ( I REALLY HATE WIN 10). I USED TO HAVE IT ON A WIN 7, NO PROBLEMS. HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT GOING BACK. BUT WOULD NEED TO FIND ANOTHER COMPUTER THAT I CAN INSTALL WIN 7 ON. ANY IDEAS? THANKS. ALSO, PLEASE EXCUSE THE LARGE TYPE. I HAVE VISION PROBLEMS. THANKS AGAIN

  • @joramsim

    @joramsim

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had a stroke trying to read this

  • @YoutubeIsAwesome
    @YoutubeIsAwesome Жыл бұрын

    Why didn't you try open the heavy programs like Blender or Photoshop? Ready boosts helps massively when you have to load them often during a same session, before ready boost, when I loaded again Photoshop after using something else, it took quite a while, while now it is reduced to around 6 seconds (and I have photoshop with lot of plugins into it)

  • @kluchtube7042
    @kluchtube70422 жыл бұрын

    Can you make a video to increase performance on windows 10

  • @luhgarlicbread

    @luhgarlicbread

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure he already did!

  • @SA77888
    @SA778882 жыл бұрын

    Im not familiar with this channel, but you look like a Linux user.............its the beard.

  • @gorogorogor0-chan-san
    @gorogorogor0-chan-san2 жыл бұрын

    I dont know why you kinda look like Victor Reznov from cod bo1

  • @CYellowan
    @CYellowan2 жыл бұрын

    Flash drive speed, size, port used (2, 3, 3.1), speed of your ram, and if you use an hdd or ssd all matter. But the real usb speed is even more nasty.. i learned this from testing. An old pc had mega slow usb2 speeds with an usb2 stick. But had competent speeds in usb2 with a usb3 stick. Ergo, we wanna see how much better a potato drive pc would do vs let's say a good pc. Gonna test it myself soon.

  • @tobiasdubiak4747
    @tobiasdubiak47472 жыл бұрын

    I saw your first video and was wondering why you said nothing about boot time, as Superfetch is an important part of making FastBoot work. So I also watched this, and still, you say nothing. After the first video, I was very hopeful that your advice to turn off Superfetch would solve one of the biggest problems with Windows 10, that boot time can be much slower than on Windows 8.1. With a spinning disk on an older laptop, it's typically 1.5x or more longer. I have seen over 5x longer on an old netbook. SSD and a fast CPU doesn't solve the problem but only cover the problem so it is less visible. But there is something seriously wrong with Windows 10's way of doing it because SSD has much less impact on Windows 10 than it should have and W8.1 might boot about as fast on a spinning disk as Windows 10 on an SSD. On the netbook, it was much faster on Windows 8.1 and HD (raw boot time without BIOS post about 10 s) than on Windows 10 and SSD (about 40s, 50s on HD). Windows 10's boot seems very CPU dependent, while previous Windows seems to be independent on CPU, apart from the fact that the CPU must be fast enough to handle the data the disk feeds it. I see no reason why Windows 10 should be so much slower and less responsive than Windows 8.1 as they load about the same amount of data on boot. Solve this and I will be very pleased! Disabling Superfetch/SysMain reduced disk activity but boot times was doubled from about 30s to about one minute. That is very important when I need to start up my machine fast... So I leave Superfetch/SysMain on. The machine needs to be started/stopped (not restarted) 3-4 times to optimize FastBoot. ReadyBoost was developed in a time when disks were much slower than they have become, and machines typically also had much less memory and weaker CPU. On these machines, a thumb drive with ReadyBoost might help. But unless it is a reasonably fast thumb drive, it will be so much slower than the hard drive that even if the thumb drive has close to zero access time, it will be outperformed by the much higher transfer rate of the hard drive, especially on newer machines. Speaking of ReadyBoost without addressing this is trying to solve a problem without understanding it properly first and how the solution shall fix it. Generally, most dual-core CPUs handle many users requirements with office, light web usage and 1080p video just fine, especially as HD acceleration of those tasks have matured. An older machine with a clean Windows installation is often faster than a much newer machine with a bloated installation. It's sad that Microsoft seems to ignore this and aim for ditching hundreds of millions of usable machines in just a few years. Think about the security disaster that might come from people continuing to use older Windows without any updates? I think it's very rude, perhaps also criminal, to expect people to buy new machines because MS has decided we need to, resulting in a lot of fully workable machines being thrown away if we follow their will. Many people can not afford this, they are happy to own an old machine!

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    In my testing I saw no difference in boot times between superfetch turned on or off. Windows fast boot uses hibernation to help speed up boot times. It doesn't use the prefetch files that superfetch builds. The way fast boot works is it hibernates most of the important system files so that when the system boots up it's actually coming back from a partial hibernation. Superfetch should have no effect on fastboot.

  • @luhgarlicbread

    @luhgarlicbread

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can kind of relate to that last part, I have fairly old machine (October 2009) and I put windows 10 on it (from 8 to 8.1) and the loading times for everything was just horrific, I debloat the machine removed so many useless softwares and the computer is still a lot slower at opening things than before. wtf microsoft

  • @windowsperf
    @windowsperf2 жыл бұрын

    I am inclined to disagree with this.

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    How so?

  • @windowsperf

    @windowsperf

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU So, Windows 'suffers' from its own success. The less times you reboot between patch days, the worse your readyboot/superfetch effectiveness. You can repair it somewhat using defrag /B, or if you have the ADK installed, Xbootmgr -prepsystem will iterate on the boot loader area and make the hit ration much higher. Also a tip, defrag doesn't defrag any file larger than 64mb, which proves a market for diskkeeper, or defraggler (my favorite). Now this is all spinning media stuff right. SSD, windows knows to disable the parts of sysmain that aren't needed on an SSD (technically any drive that reports a 0 RPM I think is the code) because seek times are so damn low anyway. You're talking microseconds of benefit, so why keep it running? But windows knows not to do that to SSDs (so it doesnt burn out the media either, if you recall a while back that was an issue, I think in the 7-8 timeframe. I wrote a blog post even on what to turn off on XP when you had an SSD (lol xp) I need to watch the first video you posted, '100% disk usage' because if its sysmain, it shouldnt be doing it often. There was a horrible bug in 7 that if the regsz blob for readyboot exceeded a certain size, (or the system had 999+ restore points, unlikely), then readyboot would always fail. But that was years ago. I have to say I appreciate you asking for others opinions, I should edit my original post to not sound like a dick as much. :)

  • @CyberCPU

    @CyberCPU

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@windowsperf honestly people shouldn't be running Windows 10 and above with a spinning disc in the first place and it's my understanding that system main doesn't do anything at all if you have an SSD. I think ready boost had a place back in Vista and 7 but it didn't make much difference from my testing in Windows 10 and with an SSD the seek times on the SSD itself are far faster than any thumb drive you could buy.

  • @windowsperf

    @windowsperf

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberCPU we agree. Clint Huffman and I did a shortlived podcast and our initial finding was "Win10 is too heavy for a spinner" especially if you take into account enteprrise grade security softtware/dlp/av/ids. And yeah I wont argue readyboost is teh sux. I meant readyboot, in what I said before, apologies. I thought we were talking superfetch/readyboot. Not readyboost. yeah that's pretty legacy/Vista

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