Formless flow. A flow that has no direction, that spreads out from everywhere into all directions and spatio-temporal planes

Everything in this reality is all one thing. All connected.

@mrbwatson8081

2 жыл бұрын

I agree reality is a process not a object.

@janenjoki7822

2 жыл бұрын

A monistic reality? I don't think so

@wotabottle

2 жыл бұрын

@@janenjoki7822 Not sorry. Maybe you'll stumble across some convincing information during the rest of your life ? Maybe not ? It doesn't even matter.

@guillermochavez2515

2 жыл бұрын

Which reality?

@mrbwatson8081

2 жыл бұрын

@@guillermochavez2515 there is only one reality bro. I call it Truth… that which is the case. 😙

"All models are wrong,some are just more usefull" all science gives us is good and precise story and models of reallity,but we should always be aweare that map is not the real territory

@Flicklix

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed...it could be that deeper enquiry regarding reality, merely tells us more about ourselves and our perceptions, rather then any "out there."

never gets old

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

Good Girl! 👌

Whatever you describe as the absolute bedrock of reality is always contained within consciousness. Nothing is outside of consciousness. Cogito ergo sum. Solipsism without ego.

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

"Reality" is unknowable EXCEPT through consciousness...and even then only as a catalyst to our sensorium. Intellectual conjecture on the nature of that catalyst remains open-ended.

It is beyond space and time.

@akhilajay7791

2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that clears it up.

The ultimate reality is one that allows you to ask the question, what is the ultimate reality? As opposed to what?

I think that an examination of the reality around us is the perception of the reality that we particularly are attended to, because those perceptions seem fairly universal to all of us. And as such, are almost like a consensus reality: a wooden table feels warmer to our touch than a iron bar that’s been sitting on that same table for several hours. Clothes taken fresh out of the dryer feel quite warm. A breeze that blows across us after we get out of a pool feels chilly. The loss of a loved one feels sad. Children laughing at play makes us feel happiness. All these things are kind of basic to us, because they are pretty much universal to our experience. They are our reality. But, I like to sometimes try to imagine what a blind person might experience who feels the sun on their face, or what snow might seem like to them. Or music to a deaf person. And far beyond that, I try and put myself in the position of a being who exists in a two dimensional universe, as bizarre as that is to try and imagine. What would sunlight seem like to them? Would they have evolved eyes that could see like ours, or would an entirely different sensory apparatus have evolved for a being in that type of universe? And if so, what types of instruments might they have developed and if they accidentally interfaced with our universe, how might we perceive them? It’s all rather interesting to try and guess what we might either seem like to them or what they might seem like to us.

Reality is what we are conscious of, so understanding of reality pivots around consciousness not matter. thus when it comes to knowledge consciousness out thumps matter. You take away " ity " from reality and you have " real " and what is real is something consciousness interprets so all of our perceptions and conceptions flow along the stream of consciousness not matter so when you compare consciousness with matter consciousness is ultimate reality.

The theory of relativity informs us that our science is a science of our experience, and not a science of a universe that is independent of us as conscious observers. This nature of our science is also reflected in the formulation of quantum mechanics, since the main formulation of quantum mechanics does not provide direct rules for the behaviour of particles. Instead, it provides rules that concern only the results of measurements by observers. This means that the observer is an intrinsic part of the main formulation of quantum mechanics, and what differentiates the observer from physical particles has to be mind and consciousness. As John von Neumann and Eugene Wigner pointed out, this means that consciousness has an intrinsic role to play in quantum mechanics. Why then has there been so much resistance to recognizing this fundamental fact? And why have physicists, for more than a century, persistently tried to get rid of the observer, even if it meant-in defiance of Occam’s razor-having to insert, by hand, additional hypothetical ad hoc conditions to the basic formulation? The underlying problem appears to be the need to fit this intrinsic role of consciousness, in quantum mechanics, into the prevailing view, in Western philosophy, of a mind-matter duality. An attempt to fit the role of consciousness into this framework of a mind-matter duality would unfortunately lead to solipsism, and that is the main problem. So the vast majority of physicists gravitate, instead, to the stance of materialism, and hence the need for them to free quantum mechanics from the conscious observer. The formulation of quantum mechanics actually does not, in any way, suggest a mind-matter dichotomy, and it certainly does not suggest either materialism or solipsism. Quantum mechanics actually points to a middle way between these two extremes of materialism and solipsism, a realization that both Werner Heisenberg and Wolfgang Pauli eventually reached. This means that the formulation of quantum mechanics actually points to the philosophical viewpoint of the Buddhist Madhyamika philosophy, also known as the Middle Way philosophy. Madhyamika philosophy would allow us to include the role of consciousness in quantum physics without ending up in the extremes of either solipsism or materialism.

@user-hh2is9kg9j

2 жыл бұрын

"the results of measurements by observers" Consciousness has nothing to do with the measurement problem "the observer" is the universe, not a human. The wave collapses whenever "the universe" recoders its state, I blame terminology for this common confusion.

Great analogy with the pile foundations!

I believe that ultimately, reality is "conscious gravity." Gravity is one of the least understood forces within our reality, because we approach it with the preconceived notion that it is separate from us. In reality (IMO) it IS us. Matter is what conscious gravity "looks like" (or feels like, tastes like, etc.) Consciousness is "What it's like" to be gravity. Ultimately, there is only the one thing...conscious gravity.

@mikel4879

2 жыл бұрын

Daren / Gravity is not "conscious". "Consciousness" is one thing, and the so-called "gravity" is another thing. "Gravity" is not the result of an attractive phenomenon. It is a universal emergent repulsive effect.

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't words wonderful...you can do anything with them.

At the fundamental level of reality is the creative and destructive action potential which manifest all things.

Dear Robert Senior, Thanks for your many episodes, which I tend to enjoy with much interest. I might be similarly as inquisitive as you are. I might be repeating. To understand the ultimate realities of nature (fortunately, ultimately reduced to four only from the infinite vastness!), I would like to recommend the following. ISBN: 978-1-938754-20-3, 955-24-0103-8, 978-1-928706-02-1 (same book but perhaps in different prints) (pages 25~27). In that book, there are separate chapters for three of the four ultimate realities. The fourth ultimate reality is briefly summarized at the end of the chapter for the third one, Matter. The book (particularly pages 25~27) conveys that, this vast nature would consist of four ultimate (non-further-reducible) realities, namely, 1. Consciousness 2. Mental Factors 3. Matter, and 4. The Unconditioned. Scientifically plausible? Best regards, 🙏✌

I always love Robert's questions but almost always disappointed with his guests' answers.

@Cebos359

2 жыл бұрын

Been watching these vids for last couple years and your right Robert asks unanswerable questions and the replys are almost always the same 😆

A religious view or a scientific view or a materialistic view of reality is NOT the same as a spiritual view of reality. The former all rely on concepts imagination and beliefs. Spirituality is the opposite of those it’s about ACTUALITY seeing things as they are without projecting concept and imagination.

Implicate Order which cannot be conceived because it is beyond space and time is the ultimate. But it can only be experienced partially in the Explicate Order in space and time. Carlos Castaneda's book 'Tales of Power' describes this as the Nagual and Tonal. Perhaps he got the idea from physicist David Bohm.

Goe gedaan Willem. Biertjuh😀

The best of the best of the best.

For once, I 100% agree with this " consciousness theory ". Religious people are troubled by the idea of not having an individual consciousness soul surviving the body and ending their physical lives to finally exist in a " better place" forever.

@janenjoki7822

2 жыл бұрын

The reality you propose cannot be accessed introspectively so it doesn't seem logical that it should be taken seriously

@robertl.6919

2 жыл бұрын

@@janenjoki7822 I do not propose a reality. I agree with the pragmatic and scientific conclusion that our consciousness is the product of our physical brain and that no other external mystic forces are involved in the making of who we are. Logic, as you mentioned, would not imply other unproven mystical theory in the debate of what makes humans conscious. Faith, spiritual beliefs and even philosophy can argue that we could be the result of multiple physical and non-physical elements, but that argument is not logical. Its emotional. And still no one can figure out how to even formulate a coherent theory on how that would work. So I will stick with logic.

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

Religious people have abandoned critical thinking in favor of the safety of belief. Belief in a comfortable falsehood is preferable to admitting to a scary unknown.

Do we all experience the same reality?

The ultimate reality is the causation of our reality/universe ... So or is pure randomness or is a a kind of higher consciousness.

@mrbwatson8081

2 жыл бұрын

Or a mad scientist somewhere.

@projectmalus

2 жыл бұрын

Both if it starts random and is repeated, and on the time scale involved some higher evolution has already happened that can influence this or use it.

What is ultimate reality is just another way of asking Kuhn's favorite question of "Why is there something rather than nothing?" In regard to the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?", two possible solutions are:
 A. “Something” has always been here. B. “Something” has not always been here. Choice A is possible but doesn’t explain anything; although, more will be said about it at the end of this paragraph. Also, in order to ever answer the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" in a satisfactory manner, I think we're going to have to address choice B. So, if we go with choice B, if “something” has not always been here, then “nothing” must have been here before it. In other words, there was "nothing" and now there is "something" (Note: I know time would not exist in "nothing" and therefore neither would temporal change, "was" and "then". The use of these words is explained after this paragraph.). Now, if this supposed "nothing” before the "something" was truly the lack of all existent entities, there would be no mechanism present to change, or transform, this “nothingness” into the “something” that is here now. But, because we can see that “something” is here now, the only possible choice is that the supposed “nothing” we were thinking of was not in fact the lack of all existent entities, or absolute “nothing” but was in fact a "something". Another way to say this is that if you start with a 0 (e.g., "nothing") and end up with a 1 (e.g., "something"), you can't do this unless somehow the 0 isn't really a 0 but is actually a 1 in disguise, even though it looks like 0 on the surface. That is, in one way of thinking "nothing" just looks like "nothing". But, if we think about "nothing" in a different way, we can see through its disguise and see that it's a "something". In regards to the above sentence "In other words, there was "nothing" and now there is "something"", while the words "was" and "now " imply a temporal change, time would not exist until there was "something", so I don't use these words in a time sense. Instead, I suggest that the two different words, “nothing” and “something”, describe the same situation (e.g., what we usually think of as absolute "nothing") and that as the human mind switches between the two different ways of visualizing this situation, it views this switching as a temporal change. Instead of insisting that "nothing" can't be a "something" and refusing to continue, it's more useful to follow the logic described above and try to figure out how "nothing" can be a "something". So, how can this be? I think it's first important to try and figure out why any “normal” thing (like a book, or a set) can exist and be a “something”. I propose that a thing exists if it is a grouping that defines what is contained within. By defining what is contained within, it groups what is contained within into a single unit whole. This grouping together of what is contained within provides a surface, or boundary, that defines what is contained within, that we can see and touch as the surface of the thing and that gives "substance" and existence to the thing. In the case of a book, the grouping together of all the individual atoms and the bonds individual atoms creates a new and unique existent entity called a “book”, which is a different existent entity than the atoms and bonds inside considered individually. This grouping provides the surface that we see and can touch and that we call the "book". Try to imagine a book that has no surface defining what is contained within. Even if you remove the cover, the collection of pages that’s left still has a surface. How do you even touch or see something without a surface? You can’t because it wouldn’t exist. As a different example, consider the concept of an automobile. This is a mental construct in the head that groups together individual concepts/constructs labeled “tire”, “engine”, “car body”, etc. into a new and unique entity labeled as the concept “automobile”. Here, the grouping is not seen as a physical surface but as the mental label “automobile” for the collection of subconcepts. But, this construct still exists because it’s a grouping defining what is contained within. One last example is that of a set. Does a set exist before the rule defining what elements are contained within is present? No. So, in conclusion, a grouping or relationship present defining what is contained within is an existent entity. Next, let's apply this definition of why a thing exist to the question of "Why is there something rather than nothing?" To start, "absolute nothing", or "non-existence", is first defined to mean: no energy, matter, volume, space, time, thoughts, concepts, mathematical truths, etc.; and no minds to think about this "absolute lack-of-all". Now, try to visualize this. When we get rid of all existent entities including matter, energy, space/volume, time, abstract concepts, laws or constructs of physics and math as well as minds to consider this supposed lack of all, we think what is left is the lack of all existent entities, or "absolute nothing" (here, I don't mean our mind's conception of this supposed "absolute nothing", I mean the supposed "absolute nothing" itself, in which all minds would be gone). This situation is very hard to visualize because the mind is trying to imagine a situation in which it doesn't exist. But, once everything is gone and the mind is gone, this situation, this "absolute lack-of-all", would be it; it would be the everything. It would be the entirety, or whole amount, of all that is present. Is there anything else besides that "absolute nothing"? No. It is "nothing", and it is the all. An entirety, whole amount or "the all" is a grouping that defines what is contained within (e.g., everything), which means that the situation we previously considered to be "absolute nothing" is itself an existent entity. The entirety/whole amount/"the all" grouping is itself the surface, or boundary, of this existent entity. Said another way, by its very nature, "absolute nothing"/"the all" defines itself and is therefore the beginning point in the chain of being able to define existent entities in terms of other existent entities. What this means is that "something" is necessary, or non-contingent, because even what we previously, and incorrectly, visualized as the lack of all existent entities, or "nothing", is a "something. While this is not a new idea, the current paper presents a physical mechanism for how this can be and uses this mechanism to build a primitive model of the existent universe, which is made of "something"s. The rest of this paper will go over this proposed solution in more detail.
 sites.google.com/site/ralphthewebsite/

@danielpichardo1542

2 жыл бұрын

Everything. Perfect. Love it

Questions are destabilizing... Answers are confirming until We question again....

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

Religious people have abandoned critical thinking in favor of the safety of belief. Belief in a comfortable falsehood is preferable to admitting to a scary unknown.

Reality is a composite. But so is chaos. There is more chaos than reality. What is most fundamental? It is a building block of all. It is a topological object, it is a geometric pattern and it is a dynamic. All these things a true. Also. this fundamental thing is composed of same smaller fundamental things and in turn the smaller fundamental things are composed of... well you get the picture - ad infinitum. When these things rebound on the way to infinity magic happens and new cycles are initiated possibly creating realities, but mostly chaos. So, to sum up it is really the dynamic that is fundamental which dictates what can be and what cannot. Be a detective, not a scientist and definitely not a philosopher. You are not ready for the truth for you are still human (human is a condition not a being).

The Ultimate Question in top-down knowledge, which are houses built on sand without a solid foundation from bottom-up knowledge.

Whatever exists in order to able you to ask that question or any question at all is The Ultimate Reality.

@michael4250

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing we know absolutely exists...is a point of view. Everything else is (educated) conjecture by that point of view.

yes that is what is as is and always was and wiill be - why does there have to be an explanation and we have nothing to compare it to

*We must not lose sight of the question raised by the Quran. The question is: “What is the state of our being?” Supposing for an instant that there was no such thing as the Quran (this argument is valid, of course, for all divine religions), questions such as “Where do I come from?” or “Where do I go?” would be left unanswered. Finding answers to these questions is even more important than finding our daily food. Eating and drinking are acts in our brief span of life that are insignificant compared to eternity, the ultimate desire of every human being*

Morality is a DNA produced guideline for the continuity of a social species. Each species has its own morality...but ALWAYS to promote behavior in the INDIVIDUAL for the survival of the entire species. What cannot be understood about that?

Anything that has form is not real. Ultimate reality has no forms.

He said, " my view is a naturalist view, all things are all build of the same stuff atoms and molecules basically " you could study the atoms and molecules of a human body for as long as you want studying them won't tell you what it is like being a human being. Understanding of that would require that you be conscious that you are human so the experience of what it is like being a human being is not reducible to atoms and molecules since studying atoms and molecules give you no understanding of what it is like being a human being.

Just admit it's an open source. A car engineer might know all details of a car but we drive it, and it takes us from A to B. There's a perspective I view, and there's a perspective you view, and there's a perspective we all view and that is our reality. But if you want to take me in your perspective its ok, but that's not the reality we live in. Like a ocean fish can only live in his salt water ocean and not in a sweet water river. We can accept that all things are made of atoms but we also have to accept the end forms designed for the atoms.

Ultimate reality is here and now. Next question

VEDIC ANCIENT LITERATURE FROM INDIA SAYS,” WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT REAL, BUT WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE IS REAL”

You can't Come Close to explaining it!! It's Formless!!

@beeinthehive

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know it's formless?

Consciousness.

@zakyzayn5361

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

🐟 06. CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS: Consciousness means “that which knows” or “the state of being aware”, from the Latin prefix “con” (with), the stem “scire” (to know) and the suffix “osus” (characterized by). There is BOTH a localized knowing and a Universal Awareness, as explicated in the following paragraphs. Higher species of animal life have sufficient cognitive ability to KNOW themselves and their environment, at least to a measurable degree. Just where consciousness objectively begins in the animal kingdom is a matter of contention but, judging purely by ethological means, it probably starts with vertebrates (at least the higher-order birds and fishes). Those metazoans which are evolutionarily lower than vertebrates do not possess much, if any, semblance of intellect, necessary for true knowledge, but operate purely by reflexive instincts. For instance, an insect or amphibian does not consciously decide to seek food but does so according to its base instincts, directed by its idiosyncratic genetic code. Even when a cockroach flees from danger, it is not experiencing the same kind of thoughts or feelings a human or other mammal would experience. The brain is merely a conduit or TRANSDUCER of Universal Consciousness (i.e. Brahman), explaining why the more intelligent the animal, the more it can understand its own existence (or at least be aware of more of its environment - just see how amazingly-complex dolphin and whale behaviour can be, compared with other aquatic species), and the reason why it is asserted that a truly enlightened human must possess a far higher level of intelligence than the average person. The processing unit of a supercomputer must be far larger, more complex and more powerful than the processor in a pocket calculator. Therefore, it seems logical to conclude that the scale of discrete (localized) consciousness is dependent on the animal's brain capacity. See Chapter 17 to understand the distinction between enlightenment and mere awakening. Three STATES of awareness are experienced by humans and possibly all other species of mammals: the waking state (“jāgrata”, in Sanskrit), dreaming (“svapna”, in Sanskrit), and deep-sleep (“suṣupti”, in Sanskrit). Beyond these three temporal states is the fourth “state” (“turīya” or “caturīya”, in Sanskrit). That is the unconditioned, eternal “state”, which underlies the other three. The waking state is the LEAST real (that is to say the least permanent, or to put it another way, the farthest from the Necessary Ground of Existence, as explained towards the end of this chapter). The dream state is closer to our eternal nature, whilst dreamless deep-sleep is much more analogous to The Universal Self (“brahman”), as it is imbued with peace. Rather than being an absence of awareness, deep-sleep is an awareness of absence (that is, the absence of phenomenal, sensual experiences). So, in actual fact, the fourth state is not a state, but the Unconditioned Ground of Being, or to put it simply, YOU, the real self/Self, or Existence-Awareness-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). Perhaps the main purpose of dreams is so that we can understand that the waking-state is practically indistinguishable to the dream-state, and thereby come to see the ILLUSION of this ephemeral world. Both our waking-state experiences and our dream-state experiences occur solely within the mental faculties (refer to Chapter 04 for an elucidation of this phenomenon). If somebody in one of your dreams were to ask your dream-state character if the dream was real, you (playing the part of that character) would most likely say, “yes, of course this is real!” Similarly, if someone were to ask your waking-state character if this world is real, you would almost undoubtedly respond in kind. An apt analogy for Universal Consciousness is the manner in which electricity powers a variety of appliances and gadgets, according to the use and COMPLEXITY of the said device. Electricity powers a washing machine in a very simple manner, to drive a large spindle for laundering clothes. However, the very same electrical power may be used to operate a computer to manifest an astonishing range of outputs, such as playing audiovisual tracks, communication tasks, and performing extremely advanced mathematical computations, depending on the computer's software and hardware. The more advanced/complex the device, the more complex its manifestation of the same electricity. Using the aforementioned computer analogy: the brain is COMPARATIVELY equivalent to the computer hardware, deoxyribonucleic acid akin to the operating system working in conjunction with the memory, the intellect is equivalent to the processing unit, individuated consciousness is analogous to the software programme, whilst Universal Awareness is likened to the electricity which enlivens the entire computer system. A person who is comatosed has lost any semblance of local consciousness, yet is being kept alive by the presence of Universal Consciousness. The fact that many persons report out-of-body experiences, where consciousness departs from the gross body, may be evidence for the above. So, then, following-on from the assertion made in the third paragraph, one could complain: “That's not fair - why can only a genius be enlightened?” (as defined in Chapter 17). The answer is: first of all, as stated above, every species of animal has its own level of intelligence on a wide-ranging scale. Therefore, a pig or a dog could (if possible) ask: “That's unfair - why can only a human being be enlightened?” Secondly, it is INDEED a fact that life is unfair, because there is no “tit for tat” law of action and reaction, even if many supposedly-great religious preceptors have stated so. They said so because they were preaching to wicked miscreants who refused to quit their evil ways, and needed to be chastized in a forceful manner. It is not possible to speak gentle words to a rabid dog to prevent it from biting you. There is evidence of Consciousness being a universal field, in SAVANT SYNDROME, a condition in which someone with significant mental disabilities demonstrate certain abilities far in excess of the norm, such as superhuman rapid mathematical calculation, mind-reading, blind-seeing, or astounding musical aptitude. Such behaviour suggests that there is a universal field (possibly in holographic form) from which one can access information. Even simple artistic inspiration could be attributed to this phenomenon. The great British singer-songwriter, Sir James Paul McCartney, one day woke with the complete tune of the song, “Yesterday”, in his mind, after hearing it in a dream. American composer, Paul Simon, had a similar experience when the chorus of his sublime masterpiece, “Bridge Over Troubled Water”, simply popped into his head. Cont...

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

In recent years, the term “CONSCIOUSNESS” has been used in esoteric spiritual circles (usually capitalized) to refer to a far more Homogeneous Consciousness (“puruṣa”, in Sanskrit), due to the fact that the English language doesn’t include a single word denoting the Universal Ground of Being (for instance “Brahman”, “Tao”, in other tongues). The word “Awareness” (capitalized) is arguably a more apposite term for this concept. The typical person believes that the apparatus which knows the external world is his mind (via the five senses), but more perceptive individuals understand that the mind itself is cognizable by the intellect. Wise souls recognize that the sense of self (the pseudo-ego) is the perceiver of their intellects, whereas awakened persons have realized that the true self/Self is the witness of ALL these temporal phenomena. The true self is synonymous with Consciousness, or with Infinite Awareness, or the Undifferentiated Unified Field (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit). The dialectic exercise in the following three paragraphs should help one to understand the nature of the fundamental conscious observer, that is, the ULTIMATE observer of all phenomena (i.e. the subject/Subject, which is the authentic self, as opposed to material objects): If one were to ask you whether you are the same person or individual you were at birth (or even at conception), you would probably respond in the affirmative. So, then, what PRECISELY is it about you which has remained constant since conception? In other words, what is the self-identity you had as an infant, which is the present “you”? It cannot be any part of your body or mind, since none of the atoms or molecules in your zygote body are extant, and “you” certainly did not possess a mind at conception. If you are reasonably intelligent, you may claim that your genome is the same now as it was then. However, it has recently been scientifically demonstrated that genetic code can (and usually does) change throughout an individual’s lifetime. Furthermore, nobody actively conceives of their essential nature being a bunch of genes! More intelligent souls would probably counter thus: “The thing which stays the same from my birth to the present time is my sense of self.” This too, is fallacious, since the sense of self does not emerge until at least a couple of years after birth. An infant has no ideation of itself as an individual actor. You may then say “I was a (male/female) human being” but that doesn’t specify any PARTICULAR human (you, yourself). So, then, what EXACTLY is it which remains “you” from conception till death? That is the “I am” which precedes any artificial sense of self. In other words, rather than saying “I am a man/woman/human/king/pilot/etc.”, simply the impersonal sense of “I am”. That is the true self, which is the Universal Self. Therefore, your essential nature is Cosmic Consciousness, usually called “God” by theists (see also Chapter 10). The Tao (The Reality [lit. The Way, The Path, or The Road]) which can be expressed in language is not the REAL Tao. All concepts are, by nature, relative, and at most, can merely point to the Absolute. That explains why some branches of theology use the apophatic method of discerning The Infinite (“neti neti”, [not this, not that], in Sanskrit). Also known in Latin as “via negativa” or “via negationis” theology, this philosophical approach to discovering the essential nature of Reality, gradually negates each description about Ultimate Reality, but not Reality Itself. Ultimate Reality (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit [from “bṛh” - lit. “Expansion”, in English]) alone is real - “real” in the sense that it is the never-mutable substratum of ALL existence. The wisest of the philosophers of ancient India distinguished the “real” from the “unreal” (“sat/asat”, in Sanskrit) by whether or not the “thing“ was eternal or ephemeral (cf. Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad 1:3:28, Bhagavad-gītā 2:16, et altri). Gross material objects (such as one's own body) and subtle material objects (such as thoughts) are always changing, and therefore not “real”. REALITY is clearly seen by those self-realized persons who have experienced spiritual awakenings (which occur either spontaneously, or after a gradual process over many months or years), yet only intellectually understood by those who have merely studied spiritual topics (that is, those who have practiced one of the four systems of religion described in Chapter 16, but have yet to awaken to their essential nature). “If you remain as you are now, you are in the wakeful state. This is abolished in the dream state. The dream state disappears, when you are in deep sleep. The three states come and go, but you are always there. Your real state, that of Consciousness itself, continues to exist always and forever and it is the only Reality.” ************* “The ego is the identified consciousness. When the impersonal Consciousness identifies itself with the personal organism, the ego arises.” ************* “The only true meditation is the constant impersonal witnessing of all that takes place in one’s life as mere movements in the universal Consciousness.” ************* “Consciousness must first be there, before anything else can BE. All inquiry of the seeker of truth, must therefore, relate to this consciousness, this sense of conscious presence, which as such, has no personal reference to any individual.” ************* “Insofar as you keep watching the mind and discover yourself as its witness, nothing else can project itself on the screen of consciousness. This is so, because two things cannot occupy the attention, at the same moment.Therefore, delve within and find out where thoughts arise. Seek the source of all thought and acquire the Self-knowledge, which is the awakening of Truth.” ************* “Just as the difference between the space in a pot and the space outside it disappears when the pot is demolished, so also does duality disappear when it is realized that the difference between the individual consciousness and the Universal Consciousness does not in fact exist.” ************* “All there is, is consciousness. That is the Source from which the manifestation has come. ...And the mind is merely a reflection of that Consciousness.” ************* “All there is, is Consciousness, not aware of Itself in Its noumenal Subjectivity, but perceived by Itself as phenomenal manifestation in Its objective expression. If this is understood in depth, there is nothing more to be understood.” Ramesh S. Balsekar, Indian Spiritual Teacher. “As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Spirit. This Spirit is the matrix of all matter.” ************* “I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck, German Theoretical Physicist.

@PUNKMYVIDEO

2 жыл бұрын

Dylisid opened my eyes. 😀👍

@mrbwatson8081

2 жыл бұрын

What is monistic idealism…?

Eggs, toast and coffee with a friend.

@richardc861

2 жыл бұрын

Nice 👍

@Nikolajnen

2 жыл бұрын

That's a reality I can get behind!

Doing this interview in a church tells you where this is going. This guy is a professor of philosophy and religion and a cursory knowledge of physics. Mysticism is behind his thoughts although he seems to argue for rationality. He is said to be a "religious naturalist". He has an agenda.

@ketchup5382

2 жыл бұрын

and you also have an agenda. We all have an agenda.

"Ultimate reality" is a fluid term. Anyone can build what they want into the concept, and we never agree. Some questions are best to to avoid.

@ketchup5382

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree

@toreoft

2 жыл бұрын

@@ketchup5382 I like the answer immensly!

Empty, dark, infinity blank space and creation over empty is reality.

ultimate reality is being able to see and experience the entire wavelength that makes up the entire universe.

NTS good/70/use

ALL of the BEST stories in human history are about good v evil..dark v light...ALL mythology,..All religions..Star Wars... Gravity is intertwined with Dark Matter...It's the yin and yang..nothing v something...No point here..just like THE UNIVERSE..enjoy Our Happening Now

If there is an ultimate reality , how would we know ???? We know a dog can out smell us a million to one . So how can we say we know what reality smells like . We can only understand reality based on what our --limited senses-- can process !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolute Transcendence in my opinion one of the closest end Goals of Life to Transcend anything and everything which includes free will morals ethics etc and that can be or will be or has been comprehended regardless of omniscient

Fractual

Yes, it all real.

Some friends say seeing things as they are is reality. Without putting names or labels or reacting to them. Paradoxically, once you see “things”, there is the I the subject and things the object, and seeing as the act or activity or operation of the mind or fixation of things seen beyond or apart from the I. Once there is duality there is relativity, ie an object relative to the subject. This cannot be ultimate or ultimate reality. Hinduism has already discovered ultimate reality of existence over a thousand years ago, ie Sat Chit Ananda. Existence - consciousness - Joy (our bliss). The being of all existence be it animals, plants or non living matters such as a grain of sand all are manifestation of consciousness. The universe is ONE. consciousness is in its natural form, or pure consciousness, without projecting or perceiving objects or images or sound, touch smell emotion, thoughts through the senses or sense organs can be named as the ultimate reality.

The only proven reality is the cogito … cogito ergo sum

WHAT IS WILLEM DREES???

theism and and philosophy are the only venues to find the ultimate reality past the human biological mechanics and mathematics involved. Biology and science can never answer the dimensions that we search for beyond the mathematically provable.. In other words the ultimate reality for yourself is the choice you make with the information at hand or the faith/desire to believe in a theistic pathway or philosophical scheme.

Everything by nessacity is in the belly of nothingness. Then the key to any reality will be in the definition of nothingness. Hint: This definition ought to be unique and even trivial.

Source created the basic fabric of reality (the substrate of matter) and immersed all attributes of self into the Creation. All of Creation is a manifestation of a weighted spectrum of Godly attributes.

Ultimate Reality is when you see the Utilities Truck pull into the driveway...

(2:35) *WD: "It's far more that we have to start at our level of existence and dig deeper and deeper."* ... It doesn't matter how deep you dig via emergence or reductionism, universe or multiverse, particle or wave, science or religion, or observable vs unobservable. What we call "Ultimate Reality" will never be clearly defined until humanity determines whether _Existence_ is *purposeful* or *purposeless.* ...That's the starting point for defining *_"Existence."_*

reduction will lead to god

Nirvana.

The big mistake is not to consider that matter in its various levels of aggregation is only a vehicle for the manifestation of Consciousness..., which can also manifest itself from a more subtle vehicle (or no vehicle at all) whose essence is not yet known .

Ultimate Reality is: CLICKING ON A KZread VIDEO ABOUT ULTIMATE REALITY AND BEING FORCED TO WATCH A FULL MINUTE OF ADVERTISING THAT SUCKS AND IS IN NO WAY HELPFUL OR ENHANCING TO YOU PERSONALLY OR TO HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE IN NEED OF THE TRUTH - THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE - TO SOLVE THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE CREATED WITH APPLICATIONS IN OF OUR PARTIAL KNOWLEDGE! Work diligently in correct path i.e accepted the true dualism reality of His creations - seen and unseen - He shall show the ultimate true reality of this universe as He promised in AlQuran، Chapter Fussilat Verse 41:53; "We will show them Our signs(creations) in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" InsyaAllah.... The God Willing.ll

When you stop talking and naming. everything is quite obviously one.

@wotabottle

2 жыл бұрын

One

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@zakyzayn5361

2 жыл бұрын

2 " likeeeeeee

The ultimate reality, is the Eternal Life, We all refer to the same *I*, the Only Real Steady Point, in Existence, always Here and Now. The final or first analysis, is that reality, 'It is 'some' that exists'. It is X0, the analysis of X0, holds three analysis, X1. creator, - X2. creativity, - X3. creation. the Living/*I*, - Life-side - Stuff-side 'The *I*', - Consciousness, - Organism. So, this is the Basic-analysis of the Eternal Life, and therefore, the Ultimate Reality. With the analysis of each of the three X's, it become more extensive. Consciousness, is also a set of analysis, with sub-analysis and side-analysis. The sum of 63 'Life-substances', is absolutely essensial for the ultimate reality. 1) the Life-Desire, - 2) the Hunger-Principle, - 3) the Satisfaction-Principle, > The further study is very deep and extensive, but part of the ulimate reality, The Eternal World Picture.

Lol…let’s keep latching onto the god of gaps as long as we can…what’s the point in asking theologian’s this question Brian?🙄

He is a robot

I think we are spiritual beings, made with magic materials.. hehe... We just became stupid a little. Cause we are led by corrupt materialistic people. Otherwise i feel, we are special.. we can be special. I even think water, trees, mountains and stones are alive . One day they might all rise... and eat us 😁

@richardc861

2 жыл бұрын

I reckon stones would love to naw and crush our bones!

@saradobravc3143

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardc861 he he. You mean the threats from space? Them too, yes

Ultimate reality? Two words: Donald Hoffman

Notice how "woo" topics start out sometimes with reasonable questions, then muck it up with some silly, vague, or hyperbolic modifier, in this case, "ultimate". Of course, I'm skipping this one.

You reduce wheat grains in the flour to make bread. Jesus Christ got reduced to death and then made whole again. The bread of life. Hit you with the right hand pop, the mic drop.

Ultimate reality is that you have read this comment.

@mrbwatson8081

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks you brought me back to my senses with that.

Why do you always ask such easy questions? Just kidding!

There is a lot of pseudo intellectual bullshit in the comment sections of these videos

Consciousness is ultimate reality We live in a lower form of consciousness called mind When we kill the mind with Yoga, we realize God and there is no turning back

@ketchup5382

2 жыл бұрын

mushrooms work good on that too

Absolute Transcendence is Incomprehensibly by traditional Means beyond the Truth you call God for you see God's Non Being Has a History to Tell You Have to Think Beyond creation and creator and oneness and mathematics what determined God's Natural Abilities did God's higher Non self do that or was there another story this is the point

Robert asks about the human consciousness and Willem answers are about houses, their cemented foundations, painters, etc. Thank you for the useless, humongous confusion. 😂

absolute reality is: two men talking in a church about absolute reality without the slightest echo...

Karl Popper said that ''Science may be described as the art of systematic over-simplification.'' And that is what that is. Stating like that guy in the interview does like ''everything is made of those ingredients'' that is a assumption bases upon systematic oversymplification presented as being hard objective fact. Stuff like a universe from a big bang from nothing with us being only intelligent life in it suggests that there is way more going an than just materialist ingredients. btw don't ask a hardcore materialist for deepest reality..since it will alway come down to a materialist entity.

🐟 02. A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LIFE”: Everything, both perceptible and imperceptible - that is, any gross or subtle OBJECT within the material universe which can ever be perceived with the cognitive faculties, plus the SUBJECT (the observer of all phenomena) - is to what most persons generally refer when they use the term “God”, since they usually conceive of the Primeval Creator as being the Perfect Person, and “God” (capitalized) is a personal epithet of the Unconditioned Absolute. However, this anthropomorphized conception of The Absolute is a fictional character of divers mythologies. According to most every enlightened sage in the history of this planet, the Ultimate Reality is, far more logically, Absolutely NOTHING, or conversely, Absolutely EVERYTHING - otherwise called “The Tao”, “The Great Spirit”, “Brahman”, “Pure Consciousness”, “Eternal Awareness”, “Independent Existence”, “The Ground of All Being”, “Uncaused Nature”, “The Undifferentiated Substratum of Reality”, “The Unified Field”, et cetera - yet, as alluded to above, inaccurately referred to as a personal deity by the masses (e.g. “God”, “Allah”, “Yahweh”, “Bhagavan”, etc.). In other words, rather than the Supreme Truth being a separate, Blissful, Supra-Conscious Being (The Godhead Himself or The Goddess), Ultimate Reality is Eternal-Existence Limitless-Awareness Unconditional-Peace ITSELF. That which can be perceived, can not be perceiving! Because the Unmanifested Absolute is infinite creative potentiality, “it” actualizes as EVERYTHING, in the form of ephemeral, cyclical universes. In the case of our particular universe, we reside in a cosmos consisting of space-time, matter and energy, without, of course, neglecting the most fundamental dimension of existence (i.e. conscious awareness - although, “it” is, being the subject, by literal definition, non-existent). Just as a knife cannot cut itself, nor the mind comprehend itself, nor the eyes see themselves, The Absolute cannot know Itself (or at least objectively EXPERIENCE Itself), and so, has manifested this phenomenal universe within Itself for the purpose of experiencing Itself, particularly through the lives of self-aware beings, such as we sophisticated humans. Therefore, this world of duality is really just a play of consciousness within Consciousness, in the same way that a dream is a person's sleeping narrative set within the life-story of an “awakened” individual. APPARENTLY, this universe, composed of “mind and matter”, was created with the primal act (the so-called “Big Bang”), which started, supposedly, as a minute, slightly uneven ball of light, which in turn, was instigated, ultimately, by Extra-Temporal Supra-Consciousness. From that first deed, every motion or action that has ever occurred has been a direct (though, almost exclusively, an indirect) result of it. Just as all the extant energy in the universe was once contained within the inchoate singularity, Infinite Consciousness was NECESSARILY present at the beginning of the universe, and is in no way an epiphenomenon of a neural network. Discrete consciousness, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on the neurological faculty of individual animals (the more highly-evolved the species, the greater its cognitive abilities). “Sarvam khalvidam brahma” (a Sanskrit maxim from the “Chandogya Upanishad”, meaning “all this is indeed Brahman” or “everything is the Universal Self alone”). There is NAUGHT but Eternal Being, Conscious Awareness, Causeless Peace - and you are, quintessentially, that! This “Theory of Everything” can be more succinctly expressed by the mathematical equation: E=A͚ (Everything is Infinite Awareness). HUMANS are essentially this Eternally-Aware-Peace, acting through an extraordinarily-complex biological organism, comprised of the eight rudimentary elements - pseudo-ego (the assumed sense of self), intellect, mind, solids, liquids, gases, heat (fire), and ether (three-dimensional space). When one peers into a mirror, one doesn't normally mistake the reflected image to be one's real self, yet that is how we humans conventionally view our ever-mutating form. We are, rather, in a fundamental sense, that which witnesses all transitory appearances. Everything which can be presently perceived, both tangible and immaterial, including we human beings, is a culmination of that primary manifestation. That is the most accurate and rational explanation for “karma” - everything was preordained from the initial spark, and every action since has unfolded as it was predestined in ETERNITY, via an ever-forward-moving trajectory. The notion of retributive (“tit-for-tat”) karma is just that - an unverified notion. Likewise, the idea of a distinct, reincarnating “soul” or “spirit” is largely a fallacious belief. Whatever state in which we currently find ourselves, is the result of two factors - our genetic make-up at conception and our present-life conditioning (which may include mutating genetic code). Every choice ever made by every human and non-human animal was determined by those two factors ALONE. Therefore, free-will is purely illusory, despite what most believe. Chapter 11 insightfully demonstrates this truism. As a consequence of residing within this dualistic universe, we experience a lifelong series of fluctuating, transient pleasures and pains, which can take the form of physical, emotional, and/or financial pleasure or pain. Surprisingly to most, suffering and pain are NOT synonymous. Suffering is due to a false sense of personal agency - the belief that one is a separate, independent author of one’s thoughts, emotions, and deeds, and that, likewise, other persons are autonomous agents, with complete volition to act, think, and feel as they wish. Another way of stating the same concept is as follows: suffering is due to the intellect being unwilling to accept life as it manifests moment by moment. There are five SYMPTOMS of suffering, all of which are psychological in nature: 1. Guilt 2. Blame 3. Pride 4. Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future These types of suffering are the result of not properly understanding what was explained above - that life is a series of happenings and NOT caused by the individual living beings. No living creature, including Homo sapiens, has personal free-will. There is only the Universal, Divine Will at play, acting through every body, to which William Shakespeare famously alluded when he scribed “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” The human organism is essentially a biopsychological machine, comprised of the five gross material elements (which can be perceived with the five senses) and the three subtle material elements (the three levels of cognition, which consist of abstract thought objects), listed above. Cont...

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

The ANTIDOTE to all mental anguish is to firstly discern pain from suffering, then to achieve complete relief from that miserable state of existence, by abandoning the erroneous belief in personal authorship, and abiding in the primordial sense of being (the unqualified “I am”, which is one's core identity). This is the very same peace which is experienced each night during the dreamless phase of the sleep cycle. This "resting imperturbably as Flawless Awareness" can be practiced on a regular basis, until it is fully assimilated and integrated into one's life. Every person, from time immemorial, has been either intentionally or unwittingly seeking such causeless peace, most commonly by practicing one of the four systems of YOGA (religion) delineated in the sixteenth chapter of this work, or else in creating wealth and the acquisition of material possessions, or in psycho-physical pleasures. That peace of mind is often referred to as “happiness”, “joy”, or “love”, and often presumed to be a temporal state, since many assume, incorrectly, that continuous peace is unavailable in this life. Fortunately, that is not the case - it is eminently possible to live one's life acquainted with unbroken peace of mind, if destined. Following DHARMA (frameworks of authentic religion and societal duties) is not guaranteed to achieve that desired tranquillity of mind, but even so, it is beneficial for individuals, since it establishes a structure which enables one to more easily elevate oneself beyond the mundane, animalistic platform (i.e. the base pursuits of eating, sleeping and mating). Intrinsic to dharma is the division of the adult male population into the four classes of society and the inherent role of girls and women in society, as fully elucidated in latter chapters of this Holy Scripture. So, now that you understand life, and the reason why we are suffering here in this (ostensively) material universe, you are now able to be liberated from all mental suffering, RIGHT? WRONG! It is imperative to approach an authentic spiritual master to assist you to come to the above realization, by slowly undoing your past conditioning. Just as you have been conditioned over an entire lifetime to think one way, you need to be re-conditioned to think another way (in alignment with your essential identity as The Divine). For one who has himself for a teacher, that man has a veritable fool as his teacher. Even if you adhere closely to the precepts of a competent teacher, you may still not come to a full understanding of life, but if you are sincere, humble and dedicated, you will definitely find more peace in your daily life - all of which was DESTINED to occur, of course. Furthermore, if you are suitably-qualified and it was ordained, you may be fortunate enough to receive discipline from one of the EXTREMELY rare fully-enlightened masters residing on earth at any given time (perchance even the current World Teacher himself), and subsequently realize the aforementioned fundamental concepts, by diligently studying authoritative doctrines (especially the most accurate and complete of all extant Scriptures, this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”), serving your guru with great reverence and devotion, and by deliberately avoiding undue harm to oneself, to other individuals, to society as a whole, and to the natural environment, including other life forms. Most beneficially, you are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology which supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is, apart from illegitimate (non-monarchical) governance and feminism, arguably the foremost existential crisis. Best wishes for your unique, personal journey towards unalloyed peace and HAPPINESS! “The cure for all ignorance is unerring knowledge”. “You are this universe and you are creating it at every moment, because, you see, it starts now. It didn't begin in the past - there IS no past.” ************* “Find out who you REALLY are so that when death comes…there is no-one to kill, for while you are identified with your role, with your name, with your ego, there is someone to kill. But when you are identified with the whole universe, death finds you already annihilated and there’s no-one to kill”. ************* “A wise Rabbi once said 'If I am I because you are you, and you are you because I am I, then I am not I, and you are not you'. In other words, we are not separate.” ************* “Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way.” ************* “The meaning of life is life itself.” Professor Dr. Alan Wilson Watts, British-American Philosopher. (06/01/1915 - 16/11/1973). “What you seek is seeking you.” ************* “Don't you know yet? It is your light that lights the worlds.” ************* “Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.” ************* “We are one. Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.” ************* “The lamps are different, but the light is the same.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, Persian Sunni Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. (30/09/1207 - 17/12/1273).

@johncarter1150

2 жыл бұрын

We all end up being our own existential crisis councilor.

God is the designer of our universe, and He is eternal knowledge. The proof is in the math. Here is that proof: Infinity = 1/x(delta) + 1. This equation says a number, any number is a set-in space that change with space. In physics this equation reads: Gravity is matter changing with space. It combines Relativity or fractured space with Quantum mechanics or spatial expansion. How dose God fit into this equation? This equation is God's mathematical name. God's name in this equation reads: God's Mind Is Man Changed With God. Breakdown: God's mind is infinite. In math this measure out as the set of infinity In math (1/x) represents a fraction of a whole. Any child is a fraction of a parent and man according to the Bible is God's child. Therefore, man is a fraction of God Change in math is represented by the Greek letter (delta) and it denotes a difference of some kind. Plus (+) in math means: “with” the addition of There is only one God. In mathematics the number “1” represents a single entity. Spelled out: God's Mind (Infinity) is (=) Man (1/x) Changed (delta) With (+) God (1). Scientific Method Step 1 Observation: Math can deliver unbreakable truths such as 2+2 will always = 4 Step 2 Question: Do math and Divinity share a common truth? Step 3 Hypothesis: If God exist, He should be found in the house of mathematics. Step 4 Prediction: God's Mind Is Man Change With God is an equation Step 5 Test: Any number (Infinity) is (=) a set-in space (1/x) that change (x^2) with (+) space (1)) Note: "X" describes any set, (1) describes any kind of space physical or otherwise This equation tells us why 2 feet is not the same as 2 inches. Both distances are measured out as 2 units of space but there is a change or difference between both units. They are each sets in a space of distance, but they represent changes in their measurement of distance. Step 6 Iterate: New look at what makes up reality. Reality consists of 3 domains of space. a. Fractured space or matter b. spatial expansion a.k.a time and energy c. Complete or unbroken space/information Step 7 Conclusion: We now know Infinity is real therefore the value in enumeration demand God exists otherwise the domain for enumeration would be incomplete. We know the domain for enumeration is complete because we can count. God must be able to count too all the way to Infinity because His mathematical name tells us what is any number. Cantor's Mistake George Cantor known as the father of set theory was wrong. There are no sets of numbers larger than Infinity. Cantor's mistake was he did not see that "change" is a subset within Infinity. Cantors one on one correspondence between sets of numbers is wrong. Cantor used only one description of a number from one set to match out or with a number from a different number set. Example. Cantor said the whole number set was smaller than the integer number set. This is how he made his measurement. Take the integers 2.1 and match it with the whole number 1. Then match 2.11 with the whole number 2. Then match 2.111 with the whole number 3 and so forth. In this view we would run out of whole numbers when we get to the integer 3.1. This is Cantor's big mistake! A correct set correspondence method Here is a better way to measure these two number sets. Match 2.1 with say 2. In the next sequence match for 2.1 we could match this integer with 4/2 or 5-3 or the square root of 100 divided by the square root of 25. The point being we can match any description for the number 2 to continue this [integer- whole] number matching sequence forever. In this way we could then match the integer 3.1 with 9/3 or 7- 4. Again, if Cantor had understood that change describes what any number looks like he would have known there can be no numbers larger than Infinity. Now that we have the knowledge of what is a number. My question is why now? Throughout all of man's conceptual use and beneficial outcomes from using numbers why is it we did not see the anatomy of a number until today? How is it possible that we have been unable to see that numbers do more than describe our physical reality, but they also describe our existence outside our perceived notion of reality. Numbers like truths don't lie. Yes, we are creatures of the cosmos and whatever makes up the cosmos is in many ways our inheritance. Learning is a part of our cosmos and we do know great discovery comes about over time. There is not always a discovery that changes the world, yet this equation is fundamental to all of existence and it comes from the creator of this existence. So, again why has this knowledge been away from us so long? Here is my thinking. Mind you my thought in asking then trying to understand this event is not based in math or science but in faith. We have been blessed, but I also believe we should be concerned for what is coming. Very highly speculative: Infinite gravity suggest we may be living inside a black hole that is internally expanding. 1/x(delta) may explain why inflation happened. The case maybe that inside a black hole space is cracked and stretched due to the compression and pulling of space by the difference in layer spatial collapsing. Outside space coexisting with points of space already consumed into an infinitesimal boundary create symmetry and this symmetry get to spread evenly as matter. Our universe becomes virtual and expanding. Zero in this context equals the difference in symmetry. A zero field is in this case a field of opposites. One field is collapsing while its opposite is expanding. This speculation does not rule out God. If it is how our universe happen and is evolving it is best understood as a tool used to do the work needed to fashion existence and life. We should not be afraid of knowing God's working regardless as to how He choose to do those works. Whether it be evolution or any other methodology in His works the truth is we are here to learn and practice those learnings. If doubt remain then please answer this question. What is a number? Google it if you need help. Infinity says a number is both qualitatively and quantitatively a set-in space that change with space. Isn't this what we do when we count or measure anything at all. Yes, this is exactly what we do when we measure or count anything. In counting we take a memory or a something we name and put that something into an order of some kind in the space of our mind. We can arrange that something into least to greatest or whatever meets our satisfaction but the fact that we put anything into an ordered sequence is in effect making a change happen. So, there we have it. A set in the space of our mind changes with the mind. At one moment the set is 1 and at the next moment it is 2 then 3, 4, 5 and so on. Conclusion why would God give us his love scientifically and mathematically if he did not want us to know HIM? Fighting over whether Creationism or Evolution is the right answer as to why we are here is the wrong picture both have a place with God. william.mabon@yahoo.com