I highly doubt they would put a fully articulating screen on the XPro4. The XPro line has always been “photography first.” When they released the X-T5, they used this same tagline (photography first) and they purposely gave it a tilt screen. I think Fuji will go this route most likely with the XPro4 and it will be done identically to the X100V. I really like the screen design on the XPro3 but I imagine they lost out on a lot of sales with the decision to make the flip down screen. They won’t do this again.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

That’s what I was thinking as well, but I think there’s a hardcore fanbase of the xpro3’s screen, that would like the successor to be able to close the screen. But as mentioned, it’s speculation. I think what both xpro3 screen lovers and tilt screen lovers can agree upon is, they both hate the flippy screen. But it might just be the only option to combine both designs.

@ilaion11

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ SONY is the answer to the screen problem. Not that I really like Sony, but why on earth they can make a screen like that on A7RV and others, beside Panasonic, cannot do? Why this design isn't even a speculation? I won't buy into Fuji X not now, not ever, but I tend to like some of their design decisions and the idea of film emulation, that ALL brands should implement based on LUTs!

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

@@ilaion11the design is a good one, but as far as I know it also creates more bulk on the camera. Lots of Fujifilms cameras are designed to look, feel and be sleek cameras, that don’t stand out of the crowd too much. But honestly who knows, maybe they’re working on something like this screen.

@darkfeign

6 ай бұрын

People started freaking out about the X-Pro 3's screen dying because of the hinge as well.

@ilaion11

6 ай бұрын

@@darkfeign so there's a cult. I ain't in it. I give shite about how people want their displays. The Sony answer is state of art for me and will soon be adopted by everyone.

I think you are totally correct about who the "rangefinder" camera appeals to. I hope Fujifilm does not add a flip screen, or take away any of the attributes that a digital rangefinder offers. Of course there are plenty of Fujifilm cameras that will appeal to those that don't want to "slow down" and enjoy the process. It is difficult IMHO to explain to those that want a more modern take on a digital camera why the XPro line is so appealing to some.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

I totally get it, i think slowing down the entire process makes it easier to actually create good images. It makes you think about what you’re shooting properly instead of having your auto settings and just jumping from one shot to another.

IBIS is a must in XPro-4, period.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Looking at all the different camera models released by fujifilm, I don’t see a way they wouldn’t include it.

@HumanClouds

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think it is a must. Nice to have at best.

Maybe they will have a flippy screen that flips at the bottom, instead of side. That should make every X-Pro user happy. 😃

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

However that would work, but it’s probably worth a shot 😂

@craig_cunha

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ Sony did it on one of their older cameras. Don’t recall the model (pre A7 series). Their A99 also has something similar, they also pulled out away from the body.

@jimmason8502

6 ай бұрын

I for one love the screen on the XPro3, although when shooting portrait style, it would be nice if it was a two-way tilt. An XH1 style articulating screen would also be nice. However, I don't get people who shoot all the time looking at a rear screen, I mean in bright sunlight a screen is useless and in fact most of the time shooting outside is useless.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

@@jimmason8502tbh looking at the rear screen is for me a last resort, when I’m shooting from an angle I can’t look through the evf.

@shira_yone

5 ай бұрын

I wish more camera use that kind of hinge.

Fujirumors says there is zero chance of x pro4 in 2024...ZERO CHANCE!!! But I need one!

@lukasbenjamin_

3 ай бұрын

Yes, thats true 😕

I wish they can release it with a mount. Because I like everything about the X100V but some times I wish I can throw a 50mm equivalent. I’m more excited for an XPro 4 or XE 5. There are too many amazing lenses out there!

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Yea mean lens mount? I agree about the x100, amazing cameras, but you’re passing up on too many great lenses. I’m thinking about either an xpro or xe camera for the near future.

Also, you don’t need to be able to close the screen against the back of the camera to reduce reliance on the screen. Leica has by far the best solution to this issue. They allow you to fully turn off the screen when shooting. You can then assign a custom button to toggle the screen on and off. I’d love to see Fuji do this, especially if they ditch the flip down screen.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

That is amazing too, my xt4 actually has the ability, to switch ‚viewmodes‘, basically being able to shut the screen and only use the evf sensor. My gripe with that is, that my big nose will still smear the screen the entire time, but I guess on the rangefinder style camera that’s not actually a real problem, since the evf/ovf is on the side.

@sssf55

6 ай бұрын

That is not a better solution, that's basically a function on most modern cameras. With a press of a button, you can easily turn the screen back on and the screen is not protected at all. I.e. it will still get scratched, smudged, dirty and often in the case of Leica's cracked on the slightest dink.

@jcbarker1

6 ай бұрын

@@sssf55I see your point. I’m not rough with my gear and I don’t make money with my camera. So it’s not an issue at all for me.

@sssf55

6 ай бұрын

@@jcbarker1 That's fair man, I suppose it matters less if you're careful with your gear.

The X-Pro3 is the camera that made me become more creative, because it does not have all these distracting things that other cameras do have. They can improve the sensor, add IBIS, give it a good button for back-focusing, but they can leave the rest unchanged. If they do too much, I will stick to my X-Pro3.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m thinking too, it’s a very niche camera for a very niche but enthusiastic fanbase, unfortunately that screen was the reason they lost plenty of sales too.

I wish they'll announce the X-E5, hopefully with a D-Pad and possibly with IBIS, maybe even add the "M-C-S focusing modes" dial back in. This year they're already releasing the X100 mark six (whatever it'll be called) for the people who want that optical viewfinder "premium" rangefinder style camera, so idk if an even more niche camera like the X-Pro4 is a good idea since people looking for high end specs are probably already satisfied with the X-H2 or X-T5. Seeing as Fuji axed their entry level X-A line of cameras, a more accessible but new rangefinder style interchangeable lens camera sounds reasonable.

@lukasbenjamin_

5 ай бұрын

Im hoping for the X-E5 as well, in fact I made a video about this camera just last week :-)

I think what would matter the most is how the X trans 5 renders colors on the pro 4. The X-pro3 for all intents and purposes can do pretty much anything. Most of these upgrades are minor additions that improve the usability of the camera. The real question is how does it do color, because each of the Xpro cameras do colors a bit differently.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

With the Color rendering it should probably be the same as the xt5. The difference would be the different sensors on the camera. Or is there a difference between the xt5 and xh2 for example ?

@sssf55

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ It may be a software thing, but there are some slight differences with processing on the same sensor or maybe its a calibration thing. I do enjoy Xtrans 5 images, so hopefully the Xpro4 carries that forward.

I sincerely hope the XPro 4 does not have a fully articulating rear screen, but i will be happy just bto see the XPro4 as well. However, the new x100 will come before the XPro 4 i think?

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

There have been rumors about the x100‘R‘ being released on the Fuji x summit on the 20th of February. I highly doubt they would release both cameras simultaneously, so I also think the xpro4 will have to wait a bit.

Putting a fully articulating screen on the XPro4 would be such a bad move. It's horrible out there for folks like me who hate those screens. I hope it gets the X100V screen instead.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Lets see what they do, I agree that it could turn away a lot of people.

How insane would it be if there was now screen? I'd buy it in a heartbeat lol!

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Easy solution, just glue the screen shut👀

You pretty much touched on everything that I was hoping for. However, there have been a few videos of a possible X-Pro 4 release and one possibly disturbing comment suggesting that the the upcoming X-Pro 4 will be targeted at enticing Leica M users, (with a premier luxury camera). That statement screams ‘M’ pricing to me. Perhaps I am reading to much into it, but as a owner and current user if all 3 iterations of this beautiful camera, I am hoping that Fuji does not get too greedy on this.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Hah, I actually had part of this topic filmed for this video, but decided to cut that out to not unnecessarily lengthen the video. I don’t think they will try to have this camera compete with leica. Tbh as much as I love Fuji, I don’t see how they could compete. What could they actually introduce to be able to sell a potential leica competitor for these horrendous prices?

I like the flippy screen on a pocket camera. Closed up 90% of the time but there if you need it and suits vloggers alot better than the xt5 screen. If they kill the xe line I’d likely buy one of these as a second camera. What I really want is an xe5 that takes a step up from entry level with the hx2s sensor.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

I’d love that too, unfortunately I doubt they would go that path. They intentionally keep the xe line as a ‚entry level‘ xpro camera

@TimS-pg5pv

6 ай бұрын

Yep. Screen like the X-S20 would work. Just keep it shut then you have the same feel and no distractions if that's your thing. And I'm sorry but I reckon the XE line has gone.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

@@TimS-pg5pv I wouldn’t be so sure about the xe line being gone. I’m currently in the works of creating a video about it :-)

@TimS-pg5pv

6 ай бұрын

Hope you’re right!

Interesting I follow

i heard they re hoping to compete with leica luxury branding through the xpro line. personally i would like the xpro4 to be a fx sensor

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Hah, I actually had part of this topic filmed for this video, but decided to cut that out to not unnecessarily lengthen the video. I don’t think they will try to have this camera compete with leica. Tbh as much as I love Fuji, I don’t see how they could compete. What could they actually introduce to be able to sell a potential leica competitor for these horrendous prices

@scuba-people

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ man it would suck if they went that way buuutt at the same time it would give a purpose to the xpro line.. Other wise apart from esthetics from your saying it's pretty much an xt-5 with aps-c que sera sera

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

@@scuba-people I think that is somewhat true. Currently the looks are the main differentiator.

Can it be used as a wedding photography camera?

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Sure it can, basically any camera can, it’s another question is if you can be efficient with it as a wedding photographer.

They could design a new kind of rangefinder style camera between xe and xpro larger than the xe based on the xe2 form and button layout of the xpro 2 no ovf just evf with 3.7 mp resolution and 23mm eye reliet ibis old batt but better life built in flash ala xe2 bounce able 8 gn at 100 iso same internals as xt4 + new film Sims from xt5 latest autofocus capabilities top build quality as xt4 xpro 2 basic compétant film making abilities like xt4 but emphasis on picture taking roll 3 way screen or like xt4 moulded hand grip like xe2 so best of both worlds between xe2 and xpro2 no ovf but modern internals call it xepro

@lukasbenjamin_

2 ай бұрын

🤡 Yes, they could. But would they? 🙂

I am sure there will not be a fully articulated screen. It would be absolutely contradictory to the x-pro philosophy. It might be a normal tilting screen like at the x100v or a 2 way tilting screen as on the x-t5. But never a flippy screen. That would be ridiculous 😂

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

My guess is, this would be the only way to combine both fanbases, the ones that like the shut screen on the xpro3 and the ones that like the 3 way tilt screen. Maybe all it would do is annoy both fanbases though :-) who knows.

@jwanger142

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_I think they would actually alienate both fan bases if they put the vlogging style articulating screen on there. I really hope they do X100V or XT5 style screen, photo first style. I hate composing with the screen off to the side of the camera if I want any sort of angle to the screen.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

@@jwanger142 I agree, I dislike it too. especially for landscape photography. For street/travel I almost exclusively use the EVF on my camera.

I don't want ANY screen! Looking forward to it's release though.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

That’s a controversial take😬 might I suggest having a flippy screen and gluing it shut ?

@hypnotoads

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_😂 EVF user only here. With eyesight like mine, any rear screen is next to useless! I’ll compromise on a screen that’s hideable…

@Bean15_

6 ай бұрын

That would be the ideal solution for me too but I think most people won't agree with us haha

It's July and ??????

XPro4 will be siiiiiick

Interesting video but what are your sources for these speculations? Other people speculating on the possibility of an X-Pro 4 or an industry insider? I’m very curious because every content creator discussing this topic keeps reiterating the same talking points. This begs the question, where did these technical specifications come from? Are they inferences from recent upgrades by Fujifilm or patents granted by a government agency people are reviewing?

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Hey, sources are mostly a mix of FujiRumors, Discussions in various forums, changes that have been made to the new iterations of Fuji´s other camera lines and then last but not least, my speculations. :) Hope that helps.

if they continue with the hidden screen they gotta fix the ribbon cable issues.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Yea I heard plenty of people complaining about issues with that cable!

If it has a flip screen I'll pass. Use The X-T5 screen, but higher resolution

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

It’s just a speculation, I just see it as the only way to please both parties. Or you could say to annoy both parties 😬

I’m holding out for an X Pro 4 , but it’s not looking like it’s going to appear in 2024 🥲

@lukasbenjamin_

3 ай бұрын

I think fujirumors has revealed that they won’t release it in 2024, what a shame 😔

@leemartin2978

3 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ sadly, it’s looking like they might abandon the range. The class action lawsuit in the USA is likely to be having some influence, but there’s nothing I can see that compares in terms of style , and with the excellent hybrid viewfinder . I’ve expressed interest in an X100VI with a couple of retailers , but hoping for the interchangeable lens version so to speak. Anyway 🤞

@lukasbenjamin_

3 ай бұрын

@@leemartin2978 I like the x100 series, but wouldnt want to be stuck with a 23mm focal length. I like the more telephoto side too much for it ;-)

The biggest problem I have with Fuji at the moment is quality control, I’ve owned a number of cameras, and they all seem to end up going back to be serviced!

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

I have heard that quite a bit about their newer cameras recently. I’ve personally haven’t had a problem with that, maybe it’s because I baby my cameras too much.

@simon359

6 ай бұрын

@@lukasbenjamin_ I don’t abuse mine?

It’s a video, but I think you need to be a lot more up front and honest (with yourself too?) about the fact that this is just a mish mash of speculations and personal preference, there’s nothing here that’s any more credible than what anyone else on a forum might suggest. Personally I think you’re way off base about the d-pad, there’s just no way that’s coming back, it’s completely unnecessary. The X-Pro is not a camera you need dozens of function buttons for, it’s for simple photographic shooting, if you’re reaching for the menus often then you’ve got the wrong camera. THE most interesting question about the X-Pro4 is what’s going to happen with the screen, you could be right, but at this point literally anything could happen.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for the feedback. I think im quite open and upfront about a lot of these opinions and speculations being just that, opinions and speculations. You can agree or disagree about the individual changes/features, I just think its interesting to get all of these points together in one video and add my own spin and taste, as well as talking about how this camera is likely to be used etc.

Fuji making a big mistake, if they remove the small screen from the back but add a swivel screen

@lukasbenjamin_

5 ай бұрын

Let’s see, I like the design of the xpro3 as well, but I’m not sure they’ll keep it

I’d actually be really hype for a flippy screen on the xpro 4 if it also has open gate

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Let’s see what they’ll release.🙌

Saying Fuji is going to issue a Leica killer is like saying Kia is going to issue a Lamborghini killer............I think not. They are both different brands producing products in a very different spectrum of the client market. Truthfully, Fuji owners buying cameras to 'LOOK' like Leica's are people who obviously can't afford a Leica. ( Kia owners ). i once was one and June last year I moved from Fuji to Leica. Yes I was one of these people and believe me, the difference between each cameras I own is not comparable. They are unique cameras in their own respective genre. I do believe the XPro3 will become to the highly sought after Fuji now. The supposed XPro4 won't be the popular kid of the screen swivels like Sony cameras, it will be more of a turn off than the XPro3 screen. I initially purchased the XPro3 and love it heaps, but the truth is.....the XPRO's, 1,2 and 3 are poor mans Leica's.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Hah, I actually had part of this topic filmed for this video, but decided to cut that out to not unnecessarily lengthen the video. I don’t think they will try to have this camera compete with leica. Tbh as much as I love Fuji, I don’t see how they could compete. What could they actually introduce to be able to sell a potential leica competitor for these horrendous prices?

Sony has a screen design that allows the screen to be both flipped out and rotated away. A design like that would be ideal for the X-Pro.

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

I’ve seen this too, though that would be in my opinion something for a potential xh3 or xt6 instead of an xpro camera. But let’s see what fujifilm introduces!

That would be terrible if they go with a fully articulated screen, I feel that the only people that likes these screens are vloggers

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Might be, I enjoy the screen on the xt4 because I can just keep it shut if I don’t want to use it

I will not buy another Xpro camera until they upgrade their F2 lens. The new f1,4 lenses, although stellar, are simply too big for the Xpro body. If fuji upgrades their old F2 lenses, and give us an upgraded xpro4 with a better EVF, larger battery, and Ibis, this will be a home run.

@lukasbenjamin_

5 ай бұрын

Curious to hear, what would you like to have improved on the f2 lenses? I can only think of the close focusing blurriness on the 23mm f2. It’s not something that bugs me a lot though. I’m really looking forward to see how they go with the xpro4!

Flip screen ,heel NO no one is waiting for flip screen on a photography oriented camera.Make return of the OVF magnifier and put it in aluminum body and 40mpix sensor, better AF and no cheap plastic wheels from XT-5 please .

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

Might be, I enjoy the screen on my xt4, I just keep it shut when I don’t want to use it.

No. It is a 2025 release - not a 2024 release.

I can tell you, with 100% certainty, there will be NO XPro 4 this year. Final answer!

@lukasbenjamin_

5 ай бұрын

I just saw the fujirumors video, as it turns out the xpro4 will apparently not be released in 2024 :-( it’s a real bummer…

If you reviewers could stop comparing Fuji to Leica and using click bait words such as "Leica killer" that would be great. Fuji is not Leica and hopefully do not stride to be. Leica is an overpriced hipster camera that certainly does not offer the quality nor features that can justify it's ridiculous price.

@lukasbenjamin_

5 ай бұрын

Hah, I actually had part of this topic filmed for this video, but decided to cut that out to not unnecessarily lengthen the video. I don’t think they will try to have this camera compete with leica. Tbh as much as I love Fuji, I don’t see how they could compete. What could they actually introduce to be able to sell a potential leica competitor for these horrendous prices?

Love Fujifilm’s brand but they need a full frame.

@TheJ_G

5 ай бұрын

They do, it’s call GFX. haha. It’s medium format AND full frame.

01:13 NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

It’s just my speculation, I could see it happening. But it’s Ofc nothing set in stone.

"first month of 2024", really? 🤨

@lukasbenjamin_

6 ай бұрын

No, in the first months.