This would be really really cool. You install debain and then apt install a config and upon next reboot, it's Pop OS.

@CaptainApathetic

2 жыл бұрын

Or install Arch and pacman -Syu AmongOS and then upon reboot your PC is sus

@roseproctor3177

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainApathetic AmogOS, check it out 🤣😝

@partnersincraft1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainApathetic I love-hate you

@nathanr7931

2 жыл бұрын

I come from the future and the only distro we have is Microsoft Linux.

@slinkychungus2044

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainApathetic Mungus…Chungus…. WhatsUpDocOS

Hopefully there will be less but better quality and better support options for casual users. Both distros and software.

@dragonballjiujitsu

2 жыл бұрын

This

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

yepp, contentrated devpower into a few distros would skyrocket Linux in usability and market share.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

You're making incorrect assumption - namely that developers who stop working on "distro A" that has reached "end of life" will automatically go and work on "distro B". Just because there are fewer distros does not automatically mean that those still in active development will be of higher quality or have more rapid development.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonballjiujitsu No, not "this". It's entirely an incorrect assumption.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech Real life doesn't work like that.

What an astute observation. I totally agree that the declarative approach to designing & deploying Linux distros, and software in general, is a positive trend that should and will happen.

the archinstall exports its config files as JSON. makes it really easy to edit later. I've always preferred parent based distros rather than custom distros, adding whatever customization I want after the fact.

In my opinion there should be less distributions and all the talent should concentrated on a fewer distros to make them more efficient and less buggy

@CyperN077

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

My fear is that this demand exists for as long as those 10000s distros exist. I guess its the peoples desire to put a different theming onto something and then call it a completely new creation/invention.

@ayushyadav5164

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech people are weird. Imo only 2-3 main distros should live. Other things should be a config. Like install pop_desktop and now your debian(or anything else) is Pop OS

@thelakeman2538

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is there is no guarantee a person working on their distro would be interested in working on something else especially considering that if they wanted to do so they wouldn't have created their own distro in the first place, I doubt there will be much concentration of talent with fewer distros. What needs to change is that community should just recommend desktop environments and a beginner friendly base distro for it, or if linux comes pre-installed on new hardware then that would eliminate the choice problem altogether since most people don't install their operating systems these days anyways.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Someone who worked on "disto A" is not automatically going to work on "disto B" just because "distro A" died. Or are you suggesting that someone should be responsible for killing "distro A" and forcing the developers to go work on "distro B". Because the first scenario just doesn't happen in real life and the second one is a dictatorship that means others don't have choice just because you don't want choice.

I really hope this occurs. Having reproducible OS environments for testing software is really useful. It may even incentives companies to build software for Linux, which would attract more users.

@Zephyrus0

2 жыл бұрын

There's nix and guix that does that the closest to what you want. They certainly difficult to configure.

@komi_maru

2 жыл бұрын

NixOS

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone build software for Linux unless it's in a very specific use case where Linux prevails over everything else? For example, in the Internet server space. You probably save about $10 on the cost of an OEM Windows license by using Linux - and companies like Adobe can just save on development costs by telling users "Go get a $10 Windows license to use our products". If you are sat there now waiting for Linux to get a whole suite of commercial applications before you ever use it, you will have a long wait. Everyone is able to purchase hugely powerful PCs now, even virtualisation is extremely easy to do in the home - so, again, just start up a Windows VM to use Adobe products. And before you ask, I kicked Windows out of my existence when support for Windows 7 ended - but I don't need Adobe products anyway.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zephyrus0 Hi again, Z! What happened to TFL?

@Zephyrus0

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 hi Terry, TFL left KZread because he was done with Google's shit, restricting accounts and stuff. He said he would be on discord a while and then only work on his repositories rather than making videos.

As someone who finally stopped distrohopping after almost a decade, this is exactly the vision I'm having right now. We have three solid bases - Debian (the "tried and true" approach), Arch (the "fresh out of the oven" approach), and Fedora (somewhere in between as far as I can tell). So just have people build around those core distros adding their specific stuff on top of it, instead of having all the work of making their own distro just to change the background wallpaper. I can see this generating a bit of conflict regarding how devs do their work, but that might be the only way forward as far as I can tell. e.g. people would have to abide by Debian's repo workflow, and/or Debian's devs would have to adapt their workflow to make it easier for others to contribute - see Fast Track. Same logic would apply to, for example, Fedora's stance on proprietary stuff, and Arch's AUR being considered a defacto "official" repo - the point is someone has to cave in for this to work.

@Skelterbane69

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget slackware. The best one. (IMO ofc.)

@KatyushaLauncher

2 жыл бұрын

@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw Fedora occupies a large space and Ubuntu never had better repositories than Ubuntu

@supremesonicbrazil

2 жыл бұрын

@@Skelterbane69 I thought about including both it and Gentoo but wasn't sure as I don't know many derivatives based on either (I know Funtoo, technically Chrome OS and... that's about it really). But they definitely fit in the concept of being a solid/pure base for sure!

@GeoStreber

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget OpenSUSE. They might be small, but they're doing a shitton of work for Linux in general. Also they're from my hometown.

Could a reproducible config file replace the DTOS installation script?

EndeavourOS is the reason I left windows finally. They have an amazing welcome screen pacman, and aur is the most wonderful thing I’ve ever used.

@joshallen128

2 жыл бұрын

I like Pac-Man

I believe the number of available distros interferes with new user adoption of Linux. Dr. Barry Schwartz's explains in his book, "The Paradox of Choice," that too many choices causes anxiety in "shoppers." I remember being overwhelmed when I first decided to install Linux. I was fortunate to know how ignorant I was and that I was going to some hand-holding, so I went with Ubuntu. It was effectively the only user-friendly distro at the time. But now you see listicles about the "top twenty Linux distros for new users" and it's just too much.

@joshallen128

2 жыл бұрын

Usually it's the one that's most popular and has the most active users on a daily basis with lots of patches and stuff to keep up in real time. Usually for me it's either arch Debian or fedora. The mainline distros from the very beginnings.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

So you want developers to stop working on multiple distros to have Linux "their way" but instead focus on a few distros just because the people you describe can't be bothered to put in time and effort to reseach distros and ultimately come up with one that works for them? Or just learn a "roll your own" distro like Arch, Gentoo or LFS and build it how you want it (as I have been doing on Gentoo since 2003)? I think I shall have to write an "antidote" book called "Why Millennials Say Silly Things In Public Places Without Realising How Self-Entitled They Sound".

@MichaelDeBusk

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Perhaps instead write an article called something like "I post, but I don't read." Run a Web search for the term "attribute substitution."

If this is the future of Linux distributions, then I'm here for it. There will still be plenty of use cases for a few distros out there, like how Manjaro is basically an unofficial stable branch of Arch, but even with cases like that making an exception, so many use-case distros won't be necessary any more when people can just throw a repo onto something like Debian or Arch (looking at you, gaming distros).

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

So you just want the distros that you want to exist. So what about everyone else? What if they want different distros to exist?

@flyinghippo5767

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 They'll still exist, just not as we know them right now. Instead of downloading and burning or flashing an ISO, users will simply run an install script.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@flyinghippo5767 So burning a CD or USB stick is too much effort for some people? I still don't understand the logic that justifies people sitting on their fat backsides expecting everything to be delivered on a plate for them. Maybe you're playing "devil's advocate" here and you're not one of those people - but if someone is not willing to invest some time and effort to learn Linux, they should NOT attempt to use it.

@flyinghippo5767

2 жыл бұрын

​@@terrydaktyllus1320 Distributions are so much more than their install media and preconfigured environments. Every package in a distribution's repository is part of that distribution. It would be much better to have install scripts based on something like Debian (if you want stability) or Arch (if you want bleeding-edge packages) because not only does it guarantee a broad variety of packages, but it guarantees long-term support. One of the biggest problems with niche distributions is what DT calls the Bus Fallacy, which is "What happens if the only maintainer of a distro gets hit by a bus?" If use-case distributions get discontinued, its users either have to replace their entire installation, or go through all the work of migrating their installation to another distribution.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@flyinghippo5767 "Distributions are so much more than their install media and preconfigured environments. Every package in a distribution's repository is part of that distribution. It would be much better to have install scripts based on something like Debian (if you want stability) or Arch (if you want bleeding-edge packages) because not only does it guarantee a broad variety of packages, but it guarantees long-term support." I started using Linux back in 1996, UNIX about a decade earlier, and you have spent an entire paragraph stating the complete obvious. "One of the biggest problems with niche distributions is what DT calls the Bus Fallacy, which is "What happens if the only maintainer of a distro gets hit by a bus?" If use-case distributions get discontinued, its users either have to replace their entire installation, or go through all the work of migrating their installation to another distribution." I've never heard of "The Bus Fallacy" because I believe that most people go through life without ever expecting to be hit by a bus - and therefore don't stop to consider any fallacies explaining such occurrences. With that said, why is this relevant to the discussion anyway? Unless you want lots of Linux distro developers to killed by buses, and reducing the number of distros that way? That's a bit "extreme", isn't it?

Yes, devs working together. Less distros more configs. Things working out of the box. Reliable and comparable performance on software and gaming. Offer themes to make a distro look like Win/Mac so the average Joe can use it.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you, except for the windows part. From experience with users I can tell you, that this will backfire miserably. Users who see windows, expect it to function like windows. Dont evoke false hopes/expectations from users. It will confuse the heck out of them :D

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

A developer working on "distro A" is not automatically going to go and work on "distro B" just because self-entitled people who cannot put in time and research to make informed choices about what distro to use expect him/her to do so.

That sound like a pretty awesome idea! Calamares for example can ask for config before install, or save it after for using in future!

The future will be less distros, but those distros will be controlled by text file configs. The future will be text files/emacs (style) to save space, we will be doing things in text & compiling to documents, there will be little difference between writing your document & programming.

Great article, thanks a lot!

Yes I think it is much better to have a few powerful distros where people build configurations and alternative repos on top of it. This way the duplication of effort turns into synergies.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

So you've never heard of Gentoo, Arch or LFS then? Or are you asking for the ability to build Linux to your requirements while not having to expend any time or effort in doing so yourself?

I converted once a Debian installation to a LMDE installation, it worked fine but with few configuration issues mainly with Cinnamon Qt integration, when there are scripts+packages which deal with this kind of issues, it would be a really bright future in my view.

MX Linux has something somewhat similar where you can make a snapshot of your system into an iso. You can either keep your user account which even includes the logged in status cookies in your browser, or create an installable iso with all your apps but not your user account. Both snapshot options can boot live as well. This creates all kinds of convenient scenarios.

This topic is what I've been thinking about for the past few days so I'll trouble you with a long comment - The archinstall script is what got me on Arch last year and I just don't feel like hopping. Now with the ability to save and re-use configs it has become a lot more feature packed. I'd love if they bring in ncurses and use stuff from the ABIF installer if possible, that would make it even better! About consolidation in Arch-based distros, that definitely seems possible in the next couple of years. I am a Linux noob but I think distros are pretty difficult to maintain, and costly too I guess. So even if the creators of these derivatives decide that they'll stick to maintaining packages only, they would be better off hosting them on the main AUR or the Chaotic AUR. The only distros that might not be able to do so is Manjaro (because they don't use Arch repos directly) and libre ones like Parabola and Hyperbola. Coming to Erik Dubois, I think even he might be better off combining ArcoLinuxL, ArcoLinuxS, ArcoLinuxB and ArcoLinuxD into a single ISO and then putting tools like the Arch Linux Tweak Tool and custom distro creation tools like CARLI, ALCI and ALIS on the same ISO.

I like this idea DT. I think or at least hope that you have put your finger on a big idea/solution.

I like the fact that Erik has started working on it. I noticed it myself, because I also use Arco. I can totally see in the future the installation of arco literally being opening the Arch iso and curl-ing a script that, when run, gives you a tui install of Arco, or Manjaro, or Endeavour etc. thus meaning that the distros will now only need to maintain a script, instead of making a new iso every so often. That could be lifechanging. And it would be much faster too, because you are no longer installing a 1-2 GB iso, but rather just the Arch iso, which is less than 1GB, and then installing the rest via the script.

@anon_y_mousse

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a bad idea, but I would add to that with offline installs. 1.5gb iso then a 1.5gb add-on archive and full system setup. Or if you're putting it on a flash drive, you could include a 1.5gb base iso and 10 more add-on archives to have complete other systems.

I hope. We need to concentrate on fewer with more software and updates. Fedora does a good job at being fast with updates and stable. Hopefully they add market share

@leobrocato3230

2 жыл бұрын

I hate the idea of having to use a config file to reproduce my fedora build unless it able to be configed in bash.a easy reproduce of your person distribution is the future ofc. but config files may not be the best choice

@cokesucker9520

2 жыл бұрын

@@leobrocato3230 How is that any different from a config file?

@leobrocato3230

2 жыл бұрын

@@cokesucker9520 ypu can do another method other the config file. bash is just happen s to be thee easiest type of config file

@cokesucker9520

2 жыл бұрын

@@leobrocato3230 So why say that a config file isn't ideal then? You're just suggesting a syntax that you'd personally prefer, not a real alternative.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, who needs to concentrate on fewer distros? Do you mean the people working on some "lesser" distros have to abandon what they are doing just because you demand they put their efforts into fewer and more popular distros? And do you not even see how "self-entitled" your comment sounds?

Good video.

Hey Derek, I was wondering if you know of a way to assign specific workspaces on specific monitors within Xmonad. Say I wanted only 1-5 on left and 6-10 on right on a dual head.

I see the current linux development start to go into convergence evolution direction. Rather than making its own distribution, the preference start to move into maintaining their own repositories. I used bio linux in the past, but can't find them anymore as its own distro, and ends up as its own repositories rather than a stand alone distro. I think this is better as people can pour all the resource for the development the main distribution, and each community can just provide the config and the repositories for their own version of linux.

Risc-V will change everything. I have the Sipeed Nezha Risc-V 64 bit SBC. It forces me to a different distro than I am used to. Also it is a highly modified version of Desbian. I think the move to Risc-V will bring a new family of dedicated Linux for Risc-V.

@MarquisDeSang

2 жыл бұрын

@@kensarmento5833 Everything I need was there : emacs, gcc, gdb, git, htops, mosh... and some games. I don't use any gui stuff, but it is there. apt-get got me everything.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Remind me - how long have RISC processors been in existence? And what impact have they had compared to Intel or ARM in all that time? I smell Mac fanboy.

@MarquisDeSang

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I predicted 7 years ago that ARM would replace Intel/Amd on descktop and servers and that has already happened. Just check MS project Volterra. I don't need to argue with people who don't understand how things actually works.

I think it would be much better to have a Endeavour or Arco "configuration theme" instead of an entire distro, it would also allow them to focus their efforts better.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

thats the trend of today. change the theme and call it a completely new invention of your own that the world has never seen before :D

I think you may be saying that the proliferation of choices will be delivered in a different and much better form. That would be good since the duplication of effort could be replaced by greater attention to detail. BTW, you are in a tiny minority of people who are aware of the word fewer. It's such a useful word. I'm sad that it has been banished, rendering everything and everyone a measured quantity like water or sand. ;-)

I think you may be on to something! i think the idea is a good one and possibly a game changer. I think i'd like that myself. It reminds me of ansible a little bit, with the idea of config file. I really like this idea!!!

Solid prediction. I would say it’s not just reproducibility but also immutability, as in the case of Silverblue. As the base OS and user layers are separated, it eliminates some of the need to bake everything into an ISO. App containerization folds in nicely here too. So at some point, a distro becomes just have a script that changes default settings and pulls in containerized apps. I think it’s great if the effort that was spent on distros is then spent on “quality of life” tools that make configuring things even easier.

I agree with your opinion, there is always a common ground. If you can load the config presets from install (like a checkbox) then it's "just works". If you can change the OS by a config file, there is no reason not to bring that option in the installation itself, like a script that runs after the main install and customizes the OS for your liking. This way, we will have a lot less distros that are just forks and more stable and tested distros that you can customize easily.

I really like this idea, I fall into the camp of enjoying Arch a lot except for the very manual installation and configuration. Hence why I use Endeavour, which is exactly the kind of distro DT is talking about in this vid. If I could have vanilla Arch but with basic stuff set up for me with a config file, I would be interested in that. I do have one criticism of this idea which is that I think it's somewhat natural for there to be more "foundational" distros like Debian and Arch, and even Ubuntu to some extent, and then more "user-facing" distros like Mint, Elementary, Endeavour, Artix, etc. The reason for this is that most people don't think of installing an OS like building it from the ground up to suit their needs. They want to get a finished product which is good enough for them to use and enjoy. I think the idea of installing Debian and then using a config file to build it out into something like Mint will not be intuitive or attractive for many users, even though it might not be that hard in reality. So basically, I think it's a good idea, but the question is how to make this process easy to understand and carry out.

i hope there are always exactly as many distros as the community wants

@uuu12343

2 жыл бұрын

Which is exactly the giant spiral of a problem we are going through right now

I think you’re right. And, I think this is the way. It really is easy to just take a list of packages and install it and boom. There’s your system. I already do that now with free/OpenBSD. I build my system, dump and parse a pkg info output and put it in a backup somewhere (though, repo is an amazing idea!) then I just cat and xargs the output to pkg install, then my system is ready to go. Maybe copy a couple config files from there too

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

You do realise that what you're asking for is essentially already done in virtualisation and containers, don't you? Or you put in time and effort yourself to build your own Linux environment by using Arch, Gentoo or LFS as your baseline. What you're asking for doesn't exist without paying lots of money to someone else to build it - namely an environment that meets your requirements without you having to put any effort yourself into creating it.

@classicrockonly

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I don’t understand how this is related. I’m talking about an OS on metal, not virtualization. My solution is painfully easy. Install OS, use package manager to install list of packages, copy a couple configs, system is exactly as before, then I restore home user backups

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@classicrockonly " I don’t understand how this is related." Maybe you've answered your question right there - your lack of understanding could be the issue here and therefore you need to become better informed. "My solution is painfully easy. Install OS, use package manager to install list of packages, copy a couple configs, system is exactly as before, then I restore home user backups." Yep, I do that on Gentoo Linux already. I can clone a machine in about 20 minutes. Next problem please...

@classicrockonly

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 no, you changed topics entirely. You seriously think VMs and containers are your bare metal OS? Lol

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@classicrockonly I don't answer silly questions. You lack knowledge, you should go learn more to become better informed. I can teach you nothing, you forget that you have two ears and one mouth for a reason. Discussion closed, have a good rest of your day.

Fedora Silverblue user here. It does not work with a config file like NixOS does. You have something called a "tree" where you can specify which packages you want your build to have, but this is not something that comes inside the system, quite the opposite. I'm not really into this process yet but I think you need to create something called a "OSTree remote" to point the system to a place in the web where that specific "tree" is located and then rebase your Silverblue install to a new image, which is composed by the packages you list on your "tree".

@lucas7061

2 жыл бұрын

There are already some unofficial versions of Silverblue such as Vauxite (XFCE), Sodalite (Pantheon) and a SwayWM spin made by a developer named Martin Pitt. This is kind of documented already so I'd argue that anyone can create today their own Silverblue tree to have things as they'd like. I'll even do this myself in the future.

DT you are a fantastic Linux spokesman. You are a wealth of experience and information. We all have heard the saying. "It's not the car. It's the driver" In my opinion. Some of us can drive anything if we have to. Some of us do. Some of us complain. I don't think Linux was destined to compete on the desktop with corporate. Linux was not made in the business sense with business in mind. The other desktops were made for business with business in mind. So I know it is human to compare. But is there really any comparison? Or are we forcing a comparison. The closed source systems need to become more like Linux. Linux is fine the way it is. We can drive it like we stole it eventhough it is free. We activate Linux.

I just assumed that there were so many Distros was because they needed/wanted a hobby/project to keep themselves occupied with and that they have an interest in (Linux), at least until that interest fades away or gets old for them. My newest install is Archcraft, and installed Erik's ATT. I just resized my laptops SSD and added new partitions. Now I'm going to Grub boot a couple more Distros. Distro hopping for fun, learning and consumption of time.

The installer is in python, but the config file is a plain JSON file actually, which is super easy to use and edit

Hey DT, I like the idea and think it will work out this way. If you ever installed Arch or Gentoo, you know that you can boot from nearly any ISO and build what ever you like. So a basic boot ISO and a config that defines partitioning, Kernel, base files, boot loader and repositories feels doable. The only question is who maintains it and how do I get my theming and preset onto the universal ISO ;) Maybe a ISO generator website that caches build versions...

@luckyowl10

2 жыл бұрын

You don't need the theming on the ISO. If you have a live environment (which all Linux distros have), you can connect it to the internet and the distro automatically downloads the theming and presets from repos and asks you which of them you want to apply at install (or you choose which one you want, and the distro only downloads that preset). The internet is so commonplace that you don't need to have everything in the ISO anymore.

@Zephyroths

2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyowl10 while I agree with your idea, sadly there are places where internet is still hard to have

@DFPercush

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine you could put your themes and config files in a .pkg or straight on the file system of the ISO and just extract / cp -r it after you run the base installer.

@slalomsk8er397

2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyowl10 A big nope on the Internet is always reachable. I think more about a online platform that enables you to bake the theming into the Installer. So more like the universal distro installer builder that has all the presets and the only theming distros can just upload the config and are done.

@luckyowl10

2 жыл бұрын

@@slalomsk8er397 well, both ways can work at the same time, you can have your way of building the ISO and my way of getting a standard ISO that can customize the installation when installing. If the devs make the configurations with 1 plan in mind, they can do it with the other one without much extra hassle. The main principle is modularity of installation anyway.

I would love to see tasksel in deban allow non-free repos and a hardware detection to automaticity set up wifi

@theodorealenas3171

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Somehow I like setting up everything myself to know it inside out, but never WiFi. Ever.

@theodorealenas3171

2 жыл бұрын

@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw oh yeah! Plus the live environment has tools to connect to WiFi, but the installed Arch? Nope! Who needs it anyway. Why don't we want something simpler, like a cookie or a stretch. I wouldn't blame the wiki, it prepares you for the experience of handling hand glued software.

Erik is a great individual.

Could you make a video about saving the install config file?

Most distros are really just some flavour of Debian or Arch with some pre installed packages and themes anyway. Fragmentation is good but the ecosystem is overdue for some consolidation right now.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

So you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence - "fragmentation (i.e. "choice") is good" then "(it's) overdue for some consolidation". So which is it?

i found arch linux to be pretty user-friendly. when i was looking for a cmd line OS to install, i picked arch because it seemed easiest to install and get started quick.. never had a problem! got it installed super quick and easy.. probably faster than a windows install tbh.

@M.4y

2 жыл бұрын

Not just a bit, wayy faster : kzread.info/dash/bejne/YmGp0blxqrWzl5c.html

I was impressed when I could change fedora 35 KDE plasma to fedora 36 gnome with low effort and working like new. This trend is one of the best stuff going on in Linux.

I might have to give Arch another go then if the 'Arch way' is becoming much easier to install... As this becomes more popular, I can see a new term developing... repo hopping. 😉

I think the key element for fewer distros in the future is to make metadristros way better than Gentoo. and that requires superior tools to Gentoo's portage. something on the vane of NixOS

I need to try that, and find my configure file. Imagine A.I. doing all the work of maintaining a distro.

Reminds me oh Windows Transformation pack. I like this idea. Hope this gonna be reality soon.

Arch Mint? I like the sound of that 😁

I actually hope so. As much as I like diversity and choice, I also aknowledge HOW MUCH MORE devpower could go in to the distros that are closer to the root, if all the little fractions joined the large teams. Lets be honest, most distros nowadays are just their parent distro with a slightly modified theming... Imagine how much Linux would skyrocket with all the devpower concentrated at the powerhouses (Canonical/Ubuntu, SuSE, RedHat/Fedora to name some commercial giants).

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Once again, a completely incorrect assumption - someone that works on "distro A" is not necessarily going to divert his/her effort to "distro B" just because "distro A" has died.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I guess that's an assumption we cant just slap on the board either :D

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech I don't want to make any assumptions. If people give their time freely to a project, as many do in the Linux community, then that's up to them how they give that time and we have no business telling them how to use that time. If they were being paid by us to deliver an end result, it would be different.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 100% agree with you here. As long as I (and we) have the luxurious privilege to use this amazing software for free, I won't ever dare to dictate anything to anybody, especially not the devs (and I hope I didn't...re reading my first comments). I was just vocalizing my personal preferences where i would LIKE the events to go.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech Understood and point well made. Have a good rest of your day.

The arch install doesn't write the config in python or any programming language, it's JSON data...

MX Snapshot is another interesting take on the reproducible install trend.

The one question I always had is "what makes a distro a distro instead of either respin ot a tweak?

I wish the dude that makes archcraft could do smth like that. I would love an script to customize my arch without having to change my distro

arch-anywhere, the revised version ?

I need help, I need a light distro, usually I go by a debian based and put xfce or i3 on top of it, but I don't know if this is the best approach. I need it for work and University

@lucaslopes1260

2 жыл бұрын

Debian is lightweight enough. It usually comes with Gnome, but you can uncheck it during the installation process. Note that you also have to uncheck the first option, which is Gnome under a different name. Then you can install xorg and i3 yourself, from the tty. Or install xfce directly. If I'm not mistaken, it is also there on the installer.

hi dt, any comments on relevancy of slackware linux in 2022? there is very few videos on this matters. thank you.

I still haven't used the new python arch install script, because my own script works just right for me. It's about 1000 lines of bash with whiptail and covers most use cases that I have ever needed.

I don't think so, I used NixOS for a while, I like the idea of switching between different versions from grub, although you can kind of do the same thing with BTRFS snapshots, but its main advantage was the how easy it was to install once you had the config file sorted, but I don't think that's of much use to your typical desktop user because you only really need to install once, I would still be using NixOS but I've gone back to a rolling distro, so Tumbleweed it is.

@benjy288

2 жыл бұрын

@Coopun Yes, I imagine NixOS would be great if you've got heaps and heaps of identical machines.

So if I understand you correctly, for example, you get a Debian installer, right? You run it, and during the install (which I think for ease of use and getting more people over to Linux should be a GUI), you would be asked “would you like to try these flavors based on Debian?” And then you can simply select it? (And similarly after install we could have something like a “changing room” of sorts where you can swap it out via that same GUI?) I’m a command line lover myself but we need GUI tools I think to get someone over the hill. Also I think it would be cool for an installer to ask “where are you coming from? What model is your computer? I think it’s xyz” and after you answer these questions, it goes away and builds a system tailored to your needs so well that the windows switcher (note that I’m thinking just your general computer user, not us enthusiasts), would barely notice a difference.

@mikechappell4156

2 жыл бұрын

Curses is probably simpler than a graphical install. You need to look hard to find a keyboard without arrow keys these days. Linux does a pretty good job of detecting hardware these days though - as someone that remembers installing XFree86 and configuring - you don't want to badger a newbie with these questions. But if you wouldn't notice the difference, there is no point to switching.

@rml695

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikechappell4156 Fair points :) Thanks for sharing. 👍 :) I should have elaborated in that basically they wouldn’t notice anything different on the surface as far as click on lower left menu, it’s like the start menu in windows, like everything is there, like their office suite and web browser and whatnot, and they would obviously notice stability and reliability improvements. Again, thanks for sharing, and sorry I didn’t elaborate. :)

i'm making a minimal distro "core" that will have a scripted installer, currently making an automated build system for it because i ain't doing the entire thing every time i want to change something

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Have you not heard of things called "backups"?

that's a great trend. long overdue in my opinion

Mostly those criticizing variety is new users or people new to the free software ecosystem. I'm patient with them hoping that they'll understand why choice is good.

Yes, I think there will be fewer. Maybe I'm wrong, but feel like there are FEWER distros than there werre 5-10 years ago. Most of the growth seems to be lateral, as in everyone wants to "fork" but when they going gets tough they just halt development on the distro altogether and maybe run off to fork something else. There just isn't a lot of forward thinking when look at all the movemnt going on. I'm sure many will disagree. Everyone's passionate about something :)

I wish there was more 32bit distros.

@josemaria_landa

2 жыл бұрын

Why

@plainsabertooth7828

2 жыл бұрын

@@josemaria_landa because 32bit only hardware is still being used and it would help resolve e-waste issues.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@plainsabertooth7828 I agree with you - I have a number of 32-bit laptops (IBM Thinkpads) that are perfectly usable today with Linux - fortunately, Gentoo Linux (which I use) still fully supports 32-bit systems.

You still have not explained how the configuration file based distributions reduces end-user choice as to which distribution to choose. All the configuration file does is eliminate ISOs other than Debian GNU/Linux and Arch Linux from which many other distributions are derived.

@somnvm37

2 жыл бұрын

People create distros because original distributions are too hard to install, or are not user friendly. Many people make personal distros just because they need ao much configuration as they install their system.

@0x007A

2 жыл бұрын

@@somnvm37 if it is a matter of configuration, put the configuration files in a git repo along with another file containing a list of the applications. However, the original premise of the video was not answered by DT. He ranted without addressing the question posed in the title.

we have basically 5 distros right now. Slackware, Debian, Arch, Redhat, Suse. Anything else base on this more or less. And those base distributions are better then all of their clones. As you said around 90% of recent distros is based on debian or arch, if we talk about relevant distros I would add Redhat to the list also. Lots of server grade standard server distros ar based on Red Hat. But if we think about production stable system then we got 4 Slackware, Debian, Redhat, Suse. Arch is irrelevant fun desktop toy. But if you are in need of something rock solid even for desktop Arch is out of equation.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot Gentoo and LFS which are also distros that can act as "baselines". Red Hat has nothing to do with your point, by the way. Red Hat is a COMMERCIAL distribution, you pay Red Hat for them to build a distro for you and then maintain it as necessary. It's an extremely bad example to use here.

@kztuptuo7076

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Ok i kinda understand your point, yet you pay redhat for "support" not the system itself. But you are right Red hat is a commercial distro. Instead of redhat I could use Rocky linux or Alma, Fedora, but that is not my point. My point Is that we have 5 main / core distros on which lots of child / offspring distros are build on. Those distros can be use as desktop or server at last 4 of them. Arch as a server is a no no. I haven't seen many distros based on gentoo nor LFS but there is a shit tone of redhat, debian and arch based distros. Slackware have few also. I like gentoo my self but to be honest if i have to choose gentoo or free bsd i would probably go free bsd. Im using linux because for me linux have lots advantages over bsd on desktop. Portage of gentoo is a clone of bsd ports. Yet ports are better polished, consistent and straightforward. Anyway have great day and happy linuxing 😀

Even though it's possible that some distros die in the short term, there will be many more in the long term. It's just like entropy, it will tend to increase and chaos wins.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

It's only "chaos" if you don't put in enough time and effort to truly understand it. I've stuck with Gentoo Linux since 2003, I had a very steep learning curve initially but I get how it works now and what "rules" I need to follow to build it to my personal standards. The same might be said for any other distro if you take the time to know it well enough. "Effort in = reward out".

Hey Dt! Speaking of how there might be too many Arch Distros: it could be cool if you had a new look on Archcraft. I saw they made a bunch of configs for other DMs: Xmonad, Fluxbox, I3, DWM, Herbsluft, Berry, Sway and Wayfire. I don't think they come installed out of the box, you might have to install the DMs from Arch and the configs from the Archcraft repo, not sure how that works. But it would be nice to see you clarify how that works and give your opinion on how they configured them, whether they have nice defaults, etc...

i guess in the future you will be able to go to a website and click together your distro of choice like lego and have the site spit out the config file you need to achieve it then download one of the big 5 distros base .iso and 10 mins later you have your system ready to go

@TD, you are basically describing Debian and what Debian are supposed to be, a Mother of All Distributions, and you can also save your settings of installed packages. They are called Blends and you can put that together as you want. And that have not stop a lots of Debian based distributions. I don't think your wish are reasonable, as long as we don't pay Distribution developers NOT to develop the Distribution they want.

I quite like archinstall, it reminds me of OpenBSD style installer.

Isn't that what Ansible is for?

Love your Bacon shirt 😂

If it increases the quality its a good thing.

I agree with you 100%, which is rare. GJ. I do hope the world trends that way to Guix/FedoraSilverblue over the next 3-5 years. One-man distros are not viable, too many security implications.

@komi_maru

2 жыл бұрын

NixOS too

As long as Linux remains free I'm all in.

1:13 why people are filling the void, when they can just use the void

I partition the free space on my arch USB as storage for my config files

It depends. Actually Eric trained many people how to make their own distro. And some of the people made nice distros. Why? Just because they can.

Oh they're will definitely be less distros in the near future, when someone says Linux or GNU/Linux, I immediately think of what I call Linux's "7 Pillars," or "Monoliths," referring to 1) Arch 2) Gentoo 3) Debian 4) Slackware 5) Fedora 6) Red Hat and finally 7) openSUSE....Idon't think of Ubuntu, Manjaro,Arco, Void etc because at the end of the day, they aren't stable or secure enough, we could very well wake up, and say Void is done, wouldn't surprise me, as they were a fad and now they haven't updated their iso in about a year, because the support dried up and ppl lost interest, but it's guaranteed, every day we wake, Arch will be there, Gentoo, Slack etc. that's the difference between a primary system/driver & something u mess with in virtualbox to pass the time, a virtualbox that on my Arch driver. With that incoherent rambling out of the way, Arch is a different beast, the community is killing itself, I use Arch, but you won't catch me on the Arch Forums, I outsource so I don't rip my hair out, lol.

@KatyushaLauncher

2 жыл бұрын

@Misericordia No, OpenSUSE is based on the original SUSE Linux which is independent

I would say the choice of Linux distributions is both it's strength and weakness. Much like Achilles and his heel.

@smsiv

2 жыл бұрын

How was his heel his strength? 🙃

About the right time too to trim down the eco system a bit and make the entry a bit easier seeing how windows is trying super hard currently to alienate their userbase.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

For real. Microsoft seems to mock their user base and try their BEST to scare them away from Windows :D XD

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Being "p*ssed off at Microsoft" is not the sole reason to move to Linux.

there will be even more in the future

I don't think the problem is to much choice. The problem is to many choices between options with very little differences. It can ether be that I don't understand the difference or that the difference really is insignificant. It makes it hard and overwhelming to choose. If nothing else I think thees kind of config files could make it much more obviously what is a real difference and what is only eccensialy a different configuration.

Although this sounds great but there is just some distros that you can not fuse with the distro where they're based off like you cant fuse Fedora with RHEL, or Rocky Linux with RHEL even though they are almost a 1 to 1 comparison since Rocky Linux is build as like a protest against IBM for killing CentOS same as you cant fuse Ubuntu with Debian or Knoppix with Debian since Knoppix is like a frankendebian. There is just things that can not be solved by fusing distros....

I always felt that there were too many and many many of them are just a slight tweak and bam a new distro... Not sure we need 50 distros based off of Ubuntu.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

You might not need them but other people clearly do. And they are as entitled as you are to "have Linux their way". But the difference between you and them is they put the time and effort to "have it their way", you're just sat there expecting everyone else to do the hard work to deliver the Linux you want.

@jonathont5570

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 wow are you sad and think you know everything. I am a 20+ year programmer, been in corporate IT since the 90s and have contributed to projects in the past and will do so in the future. Maybe you should get off your high horse and step away from the keyboard. You are whats wrong with Linux users.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathont5570"wow are you sad and think you know everything." Not at all, you think you know how I think but we've never met and all you have here are a few words that I wrote to extrapolate an image of me inside your own head - good luck with the accuracy of that! It's you that look silly when you try (and fail) to attack me with an image your brain created. "I am a 20+ year programmer, been in corporate IT since the 90s and have contributed to projects in the past and will do so in the future." Sonny, just because your call yourself a "programmer" doesn't mean you're any good at it or simultaneously not self entitled. You make assumptions about me but complain when I do the same about you. That's hypocrisy anyway. "Maybe you should get off your high horse and step away from the keyboard." I don't take orders from strangers on the Internet. Maybe you should act like an adult and stop getting so "whiny" when a complete stranger on the Internet says something that you don't like. "You are whats wrong with Linux users." Not at all, I could very easily explain in great detail what I do with Linux, especially as I have also worked exclusively on Linux systems for the past 20 years and trained many others to do so, that would show clearly that I have put in a lot of time and effort bringing more people into the Linux community. I've nothing to be ashamed of at this point. But I am only willing to do so with people that share my aptitude and interest in learning it - we all started off knowing knowing, and I encourage people willing to learn as people encouraged me during my early days. Which probably means that I wouldn't be interested in training a self-entitled and whiny "programmer" like you. You're the one that clearly struggles with knowledge and experience in others - and that usually comes down to jealousy. Run along now, sonny. Mind how you go and stay away from sharp scissors. Discussion closed.

All we need is Fedora, Arch, and Gentoo (for Desktop). Those 3 cover every use case. We would already have less distros if they were going to go away

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

Ubuntu is the largest distro with Canonical having over 50% market share in the Linux desktop alone. One cannot dismiss the .deb branch. I rather think its the distros with the money behind them that will make the race eventually. Canonical/Ubuntu, SuSE/SLE, RedHat/RHEL/Fedora.

@DylanMatthewTurner

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech You misunderstood what I'm saying. Market share doesn't argue against what I've said. I'm not dismissing distros either. I'm not saying other distros can't also fill the same roles nor am I talking about a popularity contest; I'm saying all use cases can be fulfilled by the 3 I listed. You don't need any Debian distros as Fedora can fulfill the same use cases. I could've just as easily said all we need is Debian, Arch, and Gentoo instead.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanMatthewTurner In that you are perfectly correct. I hear this use case argument so often. I seriously cannot imagine a single use case the mainline distros could not handle. Especially when considering that 99,9% of all distros are just forks.

@DylanMatthewTurner

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech Yeah exactly. So basically if it were just about fulfilling needs of users, I think we would've lost a bunch of distros already, and I think that applies on a smaller scale with modern issues too, like easy-install or systemd-less Arch. I don't think those will go away even if mainline Arch becomes easier

We need more softwares for Linux. For example for learning English or other languages best softwares are produced for Windows and Mac.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

I would say better software and more compatibility, stability and ease of use. More for the sole sake of more....well, you see where we are with our distros :D

lol, a parent distro called GCC, LLVM and probably one more in the future, called Visual Wine..

What about when there's only a few flavors that offer this? Then if everyone's distribution is based off fewer parents, the parents have more control on what goes in to them. They'd need to have a OpenBSD-like team to keep it minimal.. PS. I still love this idea regardless

So the biggest issue I have with Linux is that I get tired of a distro or de very regularly. And while technically you can switch de's it's not a great experience. Stuff breaks and most people don't want to deal with that. While the config file thing is a great idea, it's not something the layman is going to deal with. Mostly because the layman isn't going to have a GitHub/lab. What I would actually like to see is more compartmentalization of the components. If you've ever switched launchers on Android it's a pretty easy like 3 click process. And Linux could do something similar with desktop environments. Huh.... I think I just came up with project that I've been looking for. Ive been learning c and python and cpp. Might make a good application. Similar to snap, or maybe I'll just make snap/flatpak versions of all the desktop environments to basically turn them into launchers like android.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

"So the biggest issue I have with Linux is that I get tired of a distro or de very regularly. And while technically you can switch de's it's not a great experience. Stuff breaks and most people don't want to deal with that." Then maybe Linux isn't for you. People that don't want to put in too much effort into learning an OS can go buy Windows pre-installed or a Mac. What else do you want someone to say to you at this point?

Maybe then someone could even make a Debian based distro that allowed the end user to look and play around with the top 10 most popular Debian based distros and see what they like the most and then install it. Then could do an arch based one and maybe potentially having one that did arch and Debian based distros together. Also throw in some red hat distros and a few other popular distros. So you can easily try them all out in the installer but install only one of them.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

So rather than you putting in time and effort to do a bit of research in those "Top Ten" distros, you just want someone else to do it for you. Isn't that the height of self-entitlement and laziness?

@cameronmonks1561

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I don’t see why a newcomer to Linux would be self entitled and lazy for choosing a Linux distro that just shows off other distros and then installs the one they want. I wouldn’t use it but some newcomers to Linux get overwhelmed with all the choices and it takes time to dd to a usb to try them out. Also I and most new comers to Linux don’t even work for canonical or red hat to even in any position to make the config files possible.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@cameronmonks1561 I don't think they would choose a Linux distro anyway because lazy millennials will always make up some excuse for not trying Linux and to make it the fault of Linux - "I don't like using the command line", "I can't run Adobe products on it", "I can't play games on it", "there's too many distros to choose from", etc. etc. I think too many of them treat it like a "fashion accessory". They want to appear "cool" in front of their peers but they don't really know why else they would run Linux anyway. They want someone else to install it for them and do all the hard work, and they can show off to their friends. I started using Linux back in 1996 and Gentoo Linux has been my main OS since 2003. I've worked on Linux servers for 20 years now (installation, maintenance, hardening and cyber-security in telecoms environments). I've written and presented Linux, TCP/IP and security training courses to customers and work peers, I've also helped people migrate to Linux when they've asked for that help - not all of them were "serious" about it and a few of them reverted back to Windows when they bought new PCs or laptops and it came pre-installed. It is of no interest to me how many people end up using Linux on the desktop - whether it has 2% or 92% share makes no difference to how I use it, enjoy it and work in a job that pays me to do my hobby. I've no complaints here. If someone is genuinely interested in learning Linux, then I will help them - but they have to "meet me half way" and show that they can put in time and effort to learn. Everyone else who can't be bothered to put in time and effort can stick with Windows, Mac or whatever else they can just use pre-installed. Let's be honest here - the percentage of Linux on the desktop hasn't changed much in the past 10-15 years despite a Linux-based mobile OS, Android, becoming the world's most popular OS. That tells me that most of the people who want to use Linux are now using it, there may be a small increase over time as some people decide they've had enough of Microsoft's crap. Also be aware that PC and laptop sales are falling anyway as people do more of their computing on phones and tablets (which is an extremely bad move in my opinion). So sitting there waiting for Linux to "beat Windows" is abject stupidity and pointless. In other words, use Linux because it works for you and because you enjoy it - and sod all the whiners that always find one more excuse to not blame their own lack of attention spans and laziness on Linux.

Erik Dubois already made a bunch of new distros

@PrateekTade

2 жыл бұрын

What and when?

the fewer use case distro we have, the better it is

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

No, less choice is not good. If you cannot make a choice, then the problem is you.

@Zephyroths

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I don't know man, I like the idea of having more configuration on fewer distro rather than having those configuration became a distro of its own. especially if these configurations are pretty much just theming

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zephyroths "Theming" is of no interest to me, that's for "fashionistas" that don't care about burning CPU cycles to impress their friends looking over their shoulder. That is not what I use a computer for, I need software to "just work" and be logical to use, even if sometimes keyboard shortcuts need a while to "burn into muscle memory". In my case I use Gentoo Linux (yes, I accept it is not for everyone) which essentially means very few custom GUI tools to do configuration. In most cases, I build a text config file from what's in the man page or external documentation and that's the "lowest level" configuration anyway - which should ultimately work for on other distros too, although it might break their custom config tools.

@Zephyroths

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 which is why I said fewer USE CASE distro. and by use case distro I mean those distro that try to become its own distro by a few tweak here and there to fulfill specific needs when this can be done with some kind of config file. Upstream distro aren't really use case distro

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zephyroths I have no idea what you are talking about. Linux is about choice - you, me or anyone else is allowed to take free code from another distro, tweak it and re-use it. You wanting to reduce your choice because you want it easy and don't want to spend time doing research also reduces the freedom of what other people want to do in making their own distros. That's you being a dictator just because you're lazy.

Lets hope that this is the case, because it is something that makes sense. Having 50 distress because the come with a different theme of KDE is waste of time and resources.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

50? If only it was so little. More like 500 :D But luckily many of them go as quickly as they came.

It would be incredible if the number of distros would cut in half or even less. Those that remain will have much more care to be stable and have the day-to-day features that users need. If you can customize the DE with a config file, why make a new distro?

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Once again, someone making an incorrect assumption. Just because developers stop working on "distro A" because it's "end of life" does not mean they automatically devote all of their resources to "distro B". It doesn't work like you think it does in real life.

@luckyowl10

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 it depends why you are working on "distro A". If you work on "distro A" because you want to do something by yourself and be your project, of course you won't touch "distro B". But if you work on "distro A" because you want to help a project you like, then you may also help "distro B", because it is another project you like.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyowl10 Now you are using a "straw man" argument - "if this, if that"... Maybe you started work on "distro A" because you didn't like how "distro B" was doing it and you "forked" their code. The more you can present specific scenarios to further your point, I can produce them to further my point. This statement is entirely factual: "There is no guarantee that someone working on one distro will move to work on another distro".

@luckyowl10

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 "Maybe you started work on "distro A" because you didn't like how "distro B" was doing it and you "forked" their code." That's what the Pop OS's team is doing with COSMIC Desktop. Gnome is toxic and doesn't care that every update breaks most extensions, so System76 are doing their own DE with Rust, because they are angry. But if System76 had used KDE Plasma, which is far more customizable as a base, there wouldn't have been so many problems, because you don't need to reinvent the wheel. DEs and all software projects are tools, and you need to choose the tool that is best for your use case. If you want to hate, go ahead, you waste your time, but there always is a better way if you don't let your ego make the decisions and have an open mind.

@victornecromancer

2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyowl10 don't mind him, this isn't even how a straw hat argument works. The internet has a lot of pedantic people, using cool words to sound intelligent, specially in the tech ecosystem.

but we have some things that are really just DE, with some programs and some nice Eye Candy,with them called Distros.

Hey im a windows 11 user i want to Dual boot but Windows nukes the MBR which I NEED to boot windows from the uefi I DONT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS :(

@basilcat3111

2 жыл бұрын

What seems to be the problem? Please explain more clearly.

@win10kimo23

2 жыл бұрын

@@basilcat3111 I dualboot windows and linuxmint then after 2 days windows destroys the mbr so i need to boot manually from the device list in the bios :(

@basilcat3111

2 жыл бұрын

@@win10kimo23 Boot a linux mint live usb, then open boot repair from the menu. Follow the instructions. If that problem happens to you again, put windows in a virutal machine. Good Luck!

@win10kimo23

2 жыл бұрын

@@basilcat3111 It worked thanks! i know im fast a replying and i did it fast cuz my laptop is fast now i can say i use mint, btw