Yeah, I dealt with a similar issue with Kdenlive when exporting a video for my KZread channel a few days ago and how it looked like dog water for no reason.XD Luckily, it didn't take too long for me to figure out what was causing it because I did notice that the section for Render Project was different than what it was the last time I used Kdenlive (2 weeks had passed since I rendered a video). So I lurked around and instantly realized that they had an option for Custom Quality and it was set to 3% as default. I don't know why it would be this low at default. I bumped it to 100% and the video looked about as well as it would be. Also noticed that KZread took a bit longer to process the HD version.

@DistroTube

2 жыл бұрын

AHHHH! Just opened Kdenlive and clicked Render....then "More Options" and see "Custom Quality" is set to 3% for me as well. Why would they do that by default? And why hide that in "more options"? Anyway...at least I know the problem now. But it was fun using Blender for the last three videos, which was a nice refresher course. So I guess there is a silver lining. :D

@Ribiveer

2 жыл бұрын

@@DistroTube Just a quick note which will almost definitely help you in the future: when a video has this signature blocky glitchy look despite the resolution being right, then 100 times out of 100 it's caused by a low bitrate! You can test this yourself by taking an 1080p video and setting its bitrate really low by doing "ffmpeg -i 1080pvideo.mp4 -b:v 32k 1080pvideobutugly.mp4". You'll see the same blocky glitchy stuff, despite the resolution being the same.

@etaashmathamsetty7399

2 жыл бұрын

lmao just tried this, gotta love kde devs, always screwing something up

@TechHut

2 жыл бұрын

The video I uploaded today has interlacing because I didn't check the kdenlive render before uploading... oof

@karl2673

2 жыл бұрын

3%... so much about "sane defaults"

Derek: I use Arch because it's bleeding edge, I don't like stable distros! Also Derek: Linux is too unstable.

@demiurg999

2 жыл бұрын

Also Derek: And I like it.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

My exact thought. Uses an entire OS that has proscribed itself to bleeding edge above all at all costs and the complains about instabilities 🤪

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech Not his best video - or he's deliberately trolling.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 which wouldn't surprise me either 🤪

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech I think I am going to stop watching these "opinion" videos. This is a problem that I see with so many YT creators - they start off making interesting content, usually of a "technical" nature on how to set something up or write a particular script, then they "quit their day jobs" because they get popular on YT, and finally they have to be focused on constantly going after views and subscribers to maintain their sole income stream and that's why we get the "trolling" videos. It's a shame, but I think Derek has run out of ideas.

There's a reason why Debian still rocks, they test like madmans so you don't have these problems.

@vintprox

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the object of test remains under scrutiny 🙈 Just my two cents...

@raxelgrande

2 жыл бұрын

True, even automatic testing like openSUSE's QA is very good. But i did find that on Debian i had 0 graphical bugs, unlike other distros

@morganb900

2 жыл бұрын

At the cost of everything being old versions

@classicrockonly

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is, what if Debian freezes on an issue such as what DT is having? Or, his issue is going from an old version of Kdenlive to a new version, likely. So, maybe today you can edit your videos, but then what happens once Debian 12 is out and you switch? You'll get that new version of Kdenlive and have the same issue DT has now. I think that's the point that DT is making here

@xinceras-6542

2 жыл бұрын

@NOKARD At an absolutely horrifying performance cost in some/many cases.

Now, the real question here is why blender takes twice as long, why it's almost *exactly* twice (that seems pretty suspicious) and what can be done about that.

@DistroTube

2 жыл бұрын

Part of the problem is that the Video Sequencer part of Blender isn't really the main focus of the Blender team. The slow render time for the videos has always been an issue and I'm not sure if anyone is really attempting to address that, which is a shame. Otherwise, I think it would be the go-to FOSS video editor for many people.

@AcidiFy574

2 жыл бұрын

patents

Instability in an OS is directly proportional to how much you yank it around as an OS. Using it as a daily OS to run my applications, I find it stable and the glitches minor. Never again will I use windows except for a moment here and there to recover old work. Linux let's me see my Windows drives and use them, heck, even my Apple formatted disks. I gave you a like because you came through as needing it today hehe.

@adhirajdeshmukh6813

2 жыл бұрын

Even for most games I don't even need Windows now, I have not touched windows for almost a year now. But I have kept my system still on dual boot for games with anti-cheat but I rarely play them with my friends. Most popular Linux distros are stable enough to be used as daily drivers, the only unstable part of your experience might be the open source programs you decide to use, and even then most popular ones have stable versions too.

@Iymarra

2 жыл бұрын

I had a 2 week old win 11 install on fresh hardware choke and brick Ethernet drivers for the on-board nic after a minor Windows update. Manjaro? No issues a month in.

@arijitkumarhaldar3197

2 жыл бұрын

Wish I could say that...I regularly have to deal with windows because of Microsoft Office. Some obscure equations and symbols don't render properly when edited with Libre office and opened on MS Word. As soon as I am done with my university requirements...I'll just yank Windows out of my system. Windows update is broken on my system for quite a long time. Whatever I do...there is no windows updates...yet Windows Modules Installer Worker keeps my CPU running at full clockspeed and 25% cpu usage all the time

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

exactly my experience here.

@guccifer7874

2 жыл бұрын

@@arijitkumarhaldar3197 There is an online version of Microsoft Office. Maybe you should use that one.

A few minor corrections. 1. Ubuntu LTS releases are based on Debian testing, not stable. 2. Debian stable releases once in ~2 years, not 3-4.

@OcteractSG

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and that is why Ubuntu has a LTS every two years.

@auradieguez6013

2 жыл бұрын

It's important to clarify that most packages in Ubuntu LTS (universe repo) are very buggy because Canonical doesn't support them, the equivalent Debian stable version have more up to date packages, and those packages receive security updates

@user-ps5up3og2h

2 жыл бұрын

@@auradieguez6013 True, most packages in 'universe' remain in "Debian testing one year before release" state. That is why I always recommend Debian over Ubuntu for servers and critical applications. It's fascinating that most people don't even know this and are sure that Ubuntu LTS is basically Debian stable with 5 year support, while in reality it's only a relatively small subset of packages - the 'main' section - which are supported by Canonical, and the rest are not supported _at all_.

@kristoffseisler2163

2 жыл бұрын

Just wish Debian would ditch its radical "open source philosophy" and start unblocking dependencies and drivers by default and i would have installed it on more machines

@kristoffseisler2163

2 жыл бұрын

@Fashinqu A. Well i rather go proprietary than nothing at all, sad truth. Besides i am pretty sure nvidia got threatened by hackers and doxxers to open source some of their stuff?

The solution seems simple: use a stable PC for your editing and an up-to-date one (Arch) for all the "playing around". Full system backups will get you back to working quickly.

@charlesselrachski34

2 жыл бұрын

burner machines FTW, i have extra t440p thinkpads and z240 desktops that can each be blow up at will because they are the star trek scabs

@bidenisasnake9932

2 жыл бұрын

Manual mode Time Shift is a Savior.

@ioneocla6577

2 жыл бұрын

@@bidenisasnake9932 snapper and snap pac is even better

this one really hit me. First: Title should be '...with **Rolling Distros** and Their Instability' Second: I have real work to do. I happily ran 5 years debian and around another 5 Fedora. All cool. But watching linux channels is so fun for procrastination (you can always tell yourself, oh it is work related, so..) - and pretty much all of them run Arch (with the sole reason: Running a linux channel the creators need sth to make content about). I should have known better but I began to believe the 'oh it's so stable - yet super new and shiney' - that I silenced all my knowledge about the simple fact that bleeding edge is and must be *always* a tradeoff against stability. Cost me crazy much time to switch to arch, just to go back to Fedora after half a year of the pain you described. Yes the packages updates do *install* cleanly 99.99 of the time and yes, that is sort of impressive - BUT: The massive distro maintainance teams at debian, ubuntu, fedora (...) are *not* hillibillies lowering noob entry barriers - while everybody professional should ignore their work and jump on rolling distros. Nope. Those guys' work, in my view, is the *essence* of Linux, for professional users. Their work I value even more than those of the upstream authors, incl. the kernel team. Having said that: Thanks arch users - the problems you find and report do help those teams creating the stable distro versions I as a pro user profit from.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

Used Debian 10 as a daily driver and NEVER EVER did anything glitch out on me. Those who willingly use bleeding edge rolling releases should be revoked their license to complain about instabilities 🤣

As much as I love FOSS, this is a downside to that. When software relies on people updating/fixing as a side project or hobby, there isn't the resources to properly test backward compatibility. Also when there is usually a workaround of "downgrading", the incentive to fix a "free" software takes a backseat to other life events.

@gogudelagaze1585

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, this is the real issue. That "stability" is achieved through sheer manpower and incentives to fix problems asap or lose paying customers.

@fabricio4794

2 жыл бұрын

Gnome,KDE and Arch Stuff,im out of it....

@wisnoskij

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think it is the FOSS aspect of it, Linux just has so much extra work baked in. On Windows all the FOSS software just works, because the developers dont need the distrol maintainers to test and patch the code for them as well.

@bradm1507

2 жыл бұрын

​@@gogudelagaze1585 This makes sense in theory, but is it actually true in practice? A business is incentivized to fix the problem or lose paying customers, but the individual who will write the fix is incentivized because it's likely their job. That doesn't mean they also don't have an incentive to "do the right thing" and help those using the software; It just means there's a stick to go along with the carrot. If people actually take the time to submit a bug report, that's an indication that people actually are using the code. What incentive structure rewards writing FOSS code, but does not reward fixing bugs in the code, especially if the bugs are widely reported? If non-monetary incentives exist for writing the original code, then it's reasonable that similar incentives exist for writing fixes.

@bradm1507

2 жыл бұрын

@@wisnoskij I think this is a big part of it. Establishing ownership over the fix can be challenging in the Linux world. Is the bug a problem with the application code or with a dependency? If the issues is with a dependency, is it potentially fixed in a newer version? If so, can distros just pull in the newer version of the dependency or could that break something else? App container solutions like Flatpak alleviate this to a large degree. If the app developer determines the bug is with a dependency, and newer versions of the dependency fix the issue, the developer can just pull that dependency into the Flatpak--no need to involve distro maintainers.

Many Windows programs also automatically update when you open them. I think the reason why they are more stable is because they don't require dependencies as much and there is more money behind them.

@danzare5638

2 жыл бұрын

can't edit which updates you want or when you want and they just grow the windows folder to outrageous size , in Linux the updated files replace the old files and remove the old ones so the OS does not get bloated like windows does

And that is exactly the reason why I switched to Mac OS.

Well, is the answer not simple then? Just keep one machine with a stable LTS release, whether Debian, Ubuntu or what ever and just use that for your production machine editing videos etc. Use your other machines for testing software with the latest package updates on it.

@juanroldan4379

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a solution. I do keep an Ubuntu, Linux Mint and Lubuntu laptop by my side to do quick document edits or a quick report. Most of the time I can't wait for Windows to do it's thing. Neither I have the time to fuss with software. I need my computer to work now so I can move up the next issue I have to deal with.

@smsiv

2 жыл бұрын

Answer is very simple, and that's to use Mac or Windows for real work, and Linux if you've got a lot of free time to spend troubleshooting

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

exactly my thought. How can one complain about stability issues using an entire OS that thas proscribed itself to bleeding edge at all costs 🤣

@kantraa

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanroldan4379 is a

@anon_y_mousse

2 жыл бұрын

@@smsiv That's the wrong answer always.

I feel your frustrations! I was using Blender to edit video (some of my channel's early videos were done in Blender) and editing was a nice experience. But I encountered that problem of videos going out of sync when working on longer clips. I tried everything from reimporting to converting to the same format all to no avail. Upon trawling the net, I quickly found others who had experienced the same issue of audio/video going out of sync when editing longer videos. I then tried Kdenlive but the instability was too much. Olive was worse. Then I found DaVinci Resolve and haven't looked back since.

This is exactly why I don't use rolling release. Also, the idea that Debian stable only pushes security updates seems a bit inaccurate. I'm running LMDE, and I get updates of some sort pretty much every week. It just updated Firefox very recently. I think that it would be better to say that on Debian you get fewer updates, and that they come at a much slower pace.

@cilian8462

2 жыл бұрын

I really want to know how debian's updates work exactly

@STONE69_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh, Browser and Kernal updates is a must have.

@midvok3918

2 жыл бұрын

Eventually, I also migrated to Debian and yes, Firefox ESR is getting updates + you get security updates for other packages. Besides, I think it's definitely better to install user applications from sandboxed packages (flatpack, snap, appimage), so you can get them in any version you want and upgrade them when you want. I prefer to use rolling release distros just in virtual machines for fun.

@bradm1507

2 жыл бұрын

@@midvok3918 With Denian backports, you can get more recent versions of software via an “official” repo. How recent varies by app, but it can be the most recent version in some cases or close to it. Between backports and containerized solutions like Flatpak, you can get updated version of popular apps. GUI apps at least. If you’re a heavy CLI app user, YMMV. What you won’t get is the latest versions of desktop environments, window managers, display managers, etc. So, given their affinity for window managers and CLI apps, I think that’s why so many KZreadrs like rolling distros.

@dougtilaran3496

2 жыл бұрын

@@STONE69_ Browsers and kernels are added to the Debian repos so they update reguarly as do the security updates.Backports updates some things regularly too. I guess mine are about 5-10 days on average(small 80-120 mb). My Manjaro (Mabox)drive yells for updates every 3-5 days.They wait to see how bad arch screws up/or not befor adding them and then turn them loose. Yesterday was almost 600mb.Nary a hiccup and Timeshift backs up daily...just in case

Fedora is nice. It's like being in the middle ground between updates and stability. For new linux users I would recommend it. I've been using the cinnamon spin and the overall experience have been sweet. Arch Linux is just too upstream for person like me who explode fast and irritate easy when something broke like that, and Debian/Ubuntu their software is quite old, and you need to keep installing those random ppa's or compile the source code yourself to fix that.

@Padub_

2 жыл бұрын

yes and I could not watch live streams with fedora out of the box, wery good for new linux users. uhu

Never update before you are finished with the work.

Hey DT. Great video as always. I installed KDE Neon a few months ago, and loved the customizable options of KDE. But, coming from windows with constant updates, I found that KDE Neon almost daily had a 500MB + update, and I could not really see what new features or options were implemented, I found this to be unnecessary and since I live in South Africa, where internet is expensive and slow, this option did not work for me. Eventually I tried Ubuntu 22.04LTS, and although it does not look as beautiful as KDE Neon, the less updates suited me better due to internet data costs. I also experienced issues last year with Kdenlive, but can't remember what distro I was running, nor the version of Kdenlive, as I do a lot of distro hopping. Looking forward to more of your videos, they are educational. Thanx

loving the camera setup and zooms derek! Might want to tone down on the red though, but imo its really comfy :D

This will be the year.... DT switches to Windows.

Important rule for kdenlive users: if it works, don’t update it, unless you have a very specific reason to do so

@rsmith31416

2 жыл бұрын

Not only for kdenlive users. Every recently released software is likely to have bugs or undesirable changes. If you can't have that in your machine, then it is better to install LTS for Ubuntu-based distributions after a few months of their release dates. Alternatively, you can compile from source newer releases without installing them globally, so that might give you a chance to give them a try.

@gogudelagaze1585

2 жыл бұрын

@@rsmith31416 LTS releases also have bugs, don't worry. Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 consistently crashed on my machine every few minutes to the point that it was unusable. I agree that LTS releases have fewer bugs, but ultimately, whether a certain piece of software will work well or not is pretty much a coin toss.

@rsmith31416

2 жыл бұрын

@@gogudelagaze1585 LTS after 2-3 months of release = extremely low likelihood of finding bugs

I can understand the whole concept of Linux updates breaking something on the system: Several times over the past several years, every once in a while a Linux Mint update would break my connection to mysql, upon which I was very dependent. The last time this happened, I ended up using a backup and porting the whole project to a Raspberry Pi400.

Thanks for keeping it real DT, alot of Arch Linux users like to act like it's the perfect system , but just like any other software, it breaks sometimes. One time I even had Debian act up with sporadic cursor movement as I moved the mouse, all those old, well tested packages and something still went wrong.

Hey DT, commenting for the 1st time on your channel just to provide some insight on this issue :-) I am a GNU/Linux user since SUSE 8.0 (2002) and after years of distro hopping i settled with Arch Linux of which i am an *extremely* happy user for the pas 6-7 years. Although i can only remember just a handful of occasions that something like this has happened to me on Arch (the experience with other non rolling release distributions was in fact worse) i found a way to deal with such issues once and for all: Install my system on a thin LV. And... that's basically it! When the system is in a stable state: snapshot it. Then install software, update it, tinker with configs, play with anything and break it as much as you feel like and in the end just revert to the trusted stable snapshot. Being on Arch, i also use snapper and snap-pac to automate this process and have a snapshot every time i install software or update my system. No more headaches ;-)

Regarding application stability, Linux apps simply get less testing and attention from developers. As much as I love Linux and have used it for many years on my desktop, once I started maintaining an actual cross-platform app, I started to realize how much time and effort it actually takes to support Linux. At least on Windows, I can write some code that will work on almost everyone's machine. On Linux though, now I have to worry about shared libraries, supporting both X11 and Wayland (especially important for desktop capture), graphics APIs being fairly subpar, and the plethora of different desktop environments and their quirks. Now combine this with the userbase, and it's hard for many developers & companies to justify dedicating more time or developers towards Linux support when it's more work that less people will even be able to appreciate. It sucks- I know. This is effectively why Windows Phone failed. Or maybe I'm missing something- your thoughts? Also, why are you surprised that it's breaking? Arch is a rolling release distribution- it's main focus isn't stability. Maybe you'd probably be happier with Fedora or Ubuntu. For your Kdenlive issue: you likely have to mess with your encoder settings. For KZread, you probably want to use x264. Either set your CRF to 23 (which will dynamically adjust the bitrate to meet the specified QP, or quality level) or set your bitrate explicitly to say 6000kbps for example. If these settings are available: you want to use the highest level and the "High" profile. For audio, use AAC at 256kbps. Export to an MP4 container, and you should be good.

@kreuner11

2 жыл бұрын

Compile statically for distribution, one of the many things like appimages work too. A toolkit abstracts X11 and Wayland, it's much better than coding directly

Wow, thank you! I was dismayed initially by your revelations but I'm relieved that you offered a solution. I had already figured out that rolling distros are for those with way more knowledge than I have and I'm pleased that you confirmed the direction I've been heading.

I work at a little startup, and we, at one point, had to produce TV grade video. Many videos actually. We started in Premiere, AE, Audition and ME on Win10, it was all going good, until we discovered that we do not need so many programs, and paying 60$ for the suite for multiple people is just.. not worth it. So we decided to take a month to try to move to FOSS. We have replaced After Effects with actually custom build python scripts (that I've built and I'm proud of lol), Premiere with Kdenlive, Audition with Audacity and ME with whatever was native to the program, and/or ffmpeg. We have moved to Arch with Gnome 42, and later to i3 DE. Now after a month, I'm back at Adobe suite, just because preferences, and for my whole life up until this point, I was using it, and it's the only software I can reach "full speed" in. We ditched Kdenlive in 3 days, because it was extremely unstable, and if you need more than 3 GFX tracks in video, it just won't play at more than 10FPS. Hardware acceleration is experimental and it crashed the program on almost any distro we tried (probably 6 of the most popular ones). So I've tried Olive, which seems pretty stable but since it's in very early stages, it missed a lot of features we needed. Others we didn't even bothered because of their simplicity. The rest of the team got stuck on Davinci Resolve, which actually I brought to the team, since I dabbled with it before, and love it. It is working perfectly, the price is decent (higher upfront, but an annual Adobe subscription is pricier than Resolve Studio for life), it's stable, does everything we need and a little bit extra. The only reason why I'm stuck, as I've mentioned, is preference, speed and all macros. But slowly I want to migrate to Davinci, because it is just better. So after almost two months now, I do editing in Premiere, and for everything else, we either have custom solutions, or use FOSS. The rest are windows-free, using Arch with either Gnome or I3, Davinci and same programs. Apart from some small details, you cannot say what video was made on what system, rendering times are comparable, and I'd say the the workflow is a bit smoother on Linux (maybe because, again, I'm really used to working with keyboard only, so i3 and terminal is way faster for me than dragging around with mouse). And last bit of advice; if you have a problem that requires very specific solution, try not to waste you time finding it, but instead (if you can), build it. You'll discover that managing your own software is a lot of fun, you can learn a lot and can actually speed up your workflow a lot more than any other off-the-shelf solution will. We have moved from 4+ hrs rendering times to around 15 minutes just by ditching After Effects. That is a huge time saver for a small company without dedicated rendering station (meaning all editors have to render the video on their machines).

3:03 That looks like a 1080p video but with incredibly low bitrate. Notice that there's high-frequency detail in the microphone grill. Maybe Kdenlive has set your H.264 encoding CRF to something like 36? I normally render at CRF 18 for nearly lossless quality before I upload to KZread. (I don't use Kdenlive though - I've switched away from it to Olive years ago)

I've never heard you mention Shotcut. I don't use it much but the few times I have, I really liked it. It encodes fast, cross platform, and foss. It would be nice if you did a video on it because it doesn't get much coverage.

@Videobe

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same. So many people seem to like Kdenlive, but I never could get on with it. Much prefer Shotcut.

I've been using debian with LXDE desktop for 7 years. So nice to get away from windoze . Absolutely stable and no unnecessary changes. Debian is as good or better than it has ever been. Best IT decision I have ever made. I can sleep without worrying about losing my personal data.

@empresagabriel

2 жыл бұрын

Everytime I see my friends who are windows users having to readapt to a new UI and remap of control panel, I look at my almost-never-changed XFCE desktop and smile a little.

@fabricio4794

2 жыл бұрын

Debian still the Champion...

@OcteractSG

2 жыл бұрын

Generally, an update won’t destroy your data. It could, however, make your data and applications inconvenient to access and/or use. Filesystem RAID on desktop Linux is not that great (fantastic for servers, though), so a proper backup is the way to go for protecting data.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

Debian is a beast and after the wildest distro hoppings I gladly come back "home" to it 💪😌

@drdrm46tube

2 жыл бұрын

Reply to Octeract. I keep all my data on external drives and I make incremental backups with rsync . This could be done in Windows but so much easier in Linux. This also allows me to have multiple machines at different locations and cold standby machines But I've never needed to use a standby machine!

That's why I usually install Debian and change the apt settings for some specific package to testing.

@shoukokomi8081

2 жыл бұрын

@cunningunz and have terrible performance

Debian Sid ('unstable') user here. It is best described as a rolling release. I switched to it from 'stable' precisely so I could have the latest releases of stuff. I've rarely had a problem with it. Now, mind you, I _don't_ let the system pull down and install every update automatically (that way madness lays). What I do is launch `aptitude`, update the indices, and then pick the packages I want and mark them for update. I will also often check a package's dependencies and pull updates for those as well (such as shared libraries). `Aptitude` is good for this, because it will flag dependency problems before you download anything and let you try to resolve them. Sometimes you can't resolve them, because the upstream repos don't have all the relevant pieces in place yet (for example, an update to Qt involves dozens of packages, all of which have to line up with each other. If all the required packages haven't been uploaded yet, the dependency requirements will not resolve, and `aptitude` will (probably) not let you complete the upgrade). So yeah, this means you have to do it by hand, but it also means you're less likely to end up with a broken system. It also means apps/packages won't be updated behind your back.

I'm into the whole Linux thing now and generally spend the time to learn things more on the end of "power user", but I definitely don't feel the need to constantly tinker with the system. I go through periods where I just get tired of learning new things and messing up my machine, and it's nice to go through a minimum 6 month patch where everything works nicely and .... just works. I've started using virtual environments to test things out and will probably be getting a mini pc to try out some things on real hardware. But my main PC will hopefully remain less and less "tinkered with" as time goes on.

@coronaklledmebot4856

2 жыл бұрын

who

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

go with point release. Go with a large distro with a large community behind it. Stick closer to the root, not the fork fork fork of a fork. I recommend Ubuntu LTS or Debian.

@coronaklledmebot4856

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArniesTech asked

DT, did you happen to have an issue with a recent update to the Arch Linux Tweak Tool where the tool just refused to display after showing a splash screen? I rolled back my system using timeshift and added an ignore for the ATT package which will stay in place until it gets fixed. I run ArcoLinuxB Cinnamon BTW! Keep up the great work 👍

I was curious what you thought of Zorin as far as beginner friendly distros? I also feel that could be on the beginners list as well. :)

Defenetly a good improvement on filming quality, keep it up!

I think the future are distros like Fedora Silverblue or NixOs... I been using NixOs for a while and now I can't look back and see me using any other type of distro with these kind of problems.

@speedyfox9080

2 жыл бұрын

I used nixos for about two weaks, as an experiment. I didn't really like it. The absence of a real package manager (and using something like nix-env just ruins the ability of nix to be replicated exactly the same on any other compute) and the immutability of the whole system is pretty irritating if I am being honest. I wanted to get my /etc/hosts file edited, but it gave me a "permission denied", the problem is that if I write my hosts file in the nix config, it will have 3000+ lines. I also don't want to learn a new programming language just to use an OS. Maybe I haven't really learnt the "Nix way" of doing things. Correct me if I am wrong, maybe I will give it another try...

@this_minizilla

2 жыл бұрын

NixOS is not a beginner friendly distro for sure, learning curve is high. But once you grasp it, you just can't go back. Just like moving to vim after comfortable with vscode.

@this_minizilla

2 жыл бұрын

All of your statement can be denied, one one of them is nix has module for splitting the configuration file, as well as builtins.readFile so you can move your hosts file out of the confguration.nix.

@speedyfox9080

2 жыл бұрын

@@this_minizilla hum... Interesting... Could you share the link to the nix wiki on that?

I have never dealt with a rolling release distro. DO you have an option to pause updates in a rolling release in case you are working on an important project for a few days?

It was only once that I installed the same package from a different package manager. It was Emacs on Linux Mint. I half installed it in 3 different ways which caused a bad mess and it made me feel out of control, so today I hate reinstalling and trying alternatives. I stick to what I start with and I try to make that thing work. I avoid hopping and alternating package managers. I'm surprised most people don't share this experience!

Instability with video editors is the norm, even with proprietary video editors on windows/mac. This is a general problem with multimedia editors. I've had to use adobe software at school and the software would crash 7 times in one night, making me lose hours of work. That's why I now use suckless software or software that respects the unix philosophy as much as possible. Less code = less chance of bugs or upgrades breaking something (in general).

@MrBreadoflife

2 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean about Adobe, people love to tout it is industry standard, but it all honestly it is crap now. I used the suite for for 3 years in my business after had been using photoshop since 3.5 and I finally had enough of the bs, and nuked all adobe software out of my business and switch to resolve, and the affinity suite, and a standalone pdf program.

This happened to me too. They changed the render queue window for some stupid reason. So I've been doing lossless. Which means my last 7 minute video was like 8GB.

I'm sure this goes for other distros but I know from using arch linux you can be on the bleeding edge and when (when, not if) things break you can easily revert back to previous versions using pacman. I feel your pain, but wouldn't it have been a much shorter day for you just reverting packages like that, if finishing the video edit, as opposed to playing around with kdenlive's latest features, was the main task?

This is exactly why I hold back a TON of app updates and OS updates that I deem inconsequential to me(read the logs) on Mint and enjoy uber-stable Linux use. FOund LMDE 4/5 to be the best in terms of stability as very little is updated and when updates come, I scrutinize them all and hold back updates that are irrelevant to me.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. If you insist on "bleeding edge", expect instability problems until some bug fixes become available. Entirely a matter of choice.

@ronsingh

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Yeah, well, Mint is based on stable bases, not like Arch, yet I still find some updates break thinks especially dkms. I run hardware from 11yo to 3 years old and find the holding back thing works a treat, especially the kernel, no gaming here, so my use case is pretty boring and pedestrian:-) I just need everything to work every time as my laptops are used to generate my income. YMMV.

@terrydaktyllus1320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronsingh I run Gentoo Linux myself and have done since 2003 - but I've nothing against other distros and if I help friends and family migrate to Linux, then I will invariably install Mint for them. As I do a lot of Thinkpad repairs and rebuilds, a bootable Mint CD or USB stick is usually the first thing I test a rebuild with as well.

@NJ-wb1cz

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is, once you do need to update there's an avalanche of changes and potential issues. The whole point of having a distro is to rely on other people to do that work of weeding out the updates you don't need, and back porting changes you do need. If you really need a stable base, just stick to RHEL clone like Alma or Rocky, or Debian. And you can use flatpacks when you need a newer version of something

Hey DT! Would running the kdenlive rendering on one of your VMs have been an option or would that have been too slow?

Even though I sit on Manjaro, I was very hesitant to update Kdenlive, so I unchecked it. Part of the reason is that I'm actively working on the video now, and update is very needless at this juncture. It was harder on me when I was updating without thinking.

I use Manjaro Linux and I have it set up to not do the updates on its own. I even get a notification about new updates once a week. You are right, applications might break after an update. What I do is use Timeshift before any weekly or biweekly update. This way if something goes wrong, I can roll back my system quite fast, without loosing anything. This can be done even from the terminal without access to your desktop environment. In my opinion, because there are a lot of updates coming your way, doesn't mean you have to do them. If your system works fine, continue without updating everything, or updating a selection of programs, i.e. Firefox. So you can use the latest versions without losing stability. Oh, and do the updates on hours that are not crucial for you. If you have to do work, don't update anything.

Hi Derek. Thanks for this video. Debian is unsurpassed whennit comes to reliability. Though, Ubuntu LTS is not based on Debian Stable but Debian Unstable. And Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS. Keeping this in mind, would the recommendation that you gave at the end change to Debian Stable and MX Linux (since MX is the only one of the 3 that is based on Debian Stable)?

What is that multi-screen screen-saver you got there? Pretty please?

@lightninguru26

Жыл бұрын

CMatrix running in 3 separate terminals full screen, one to each monitor?

Handy tip... For your must have apps, create a apptainer or singularity container that contains your app(gui or cli). You could do this with docker/oci or podman, but apptainer and singularity are much easier to work with in this manner. I've been running containers at work since the beta days of docker so I have lots of battle scars to draw information from.

That happened to me too on kdenlive recently, turns out it had enabled the “custom quality” without me knowing, and that setting allows you to get higher compression and lower quality on the same resolution, you might have to show more options in the render screen to see that option

A lot of programs on Windows will look for updates on startup and either automatically install them (which is what Firefox does, for instance) or direct the user to a page where they can download the latest version (Calibre being one example). But yeah, in general, you just install a program once and forget about it, and you can also disable the aforementioned behavior in programs that do that. As for myself, I would at least once a month manually check for updates to a lot of the programs I used. I'm pretty sure I had the latest release of all programs I've used most of the time, and even then, none of them ever broke on me. I believe one of the main reasons for that is that Windows programs tend to be more self-contained, rather than requiring certain dependencies to be installed, they come packaged with all of their dependencies, and install them in their own root directories -- almost like AppImages. So if you install Krita, GIMP, Blender, and Inkscape, all of which depend on Python, you don't actually have to install Python because each one will come with their own internal copy.

Hey Derek. I am sure you have thought of this. Does handbrake work for you and is it faster than blender? I have used Handbrake to transcode my own videos. It is kind of basic and it does take a little time but it always works for me. Thanks!!!

That's not Linux instability, that's Arch instability. On debian, the browser updates. A good compromise between new programs and stability is fedora and manjaro. Arch linux doesn't even test those packages, so of course they are unstable.

Fair comment- I regard my laptop as a worktool & since switching to Debian stable a few years ago, it hasn't interrupted my working day once.

ZFS-on-root with automatic snapshots (on Ubuntu) really saved me from this kind of problem once. Let me revert the system partition to a previous state from before I messed it up. But this is still something you have to deliberately opt for at install time. Fedora seems to do something similar with btrfs, but maybe only when the kernel is updated? Not sure. Seems like a file system with snapshotting and an automatic scheme to make new snapshots on a regular basis is the only way to escape this sort of nonsense and immediately get software back to a working state.

@bstar777777

Жыл бұрын

This is the solution. Having the ability to quickly recover from a problematic update is what solves this type of problem best. For rolling releases, it's a must-have. I tried out Fedora the other day and saw that it have the typical 2-volume BTRFS setup (root and home). I think you have to setup something like Timeshift to get the incremental snapshots. I use Manjaro and that was working out of the box with snapshots accessible from the boot loader. I've used it several times over the years and it's a lifesaver. Something that could take 11 hours of frustrating debugging can instead be fixed in seconds.

Thats the reason why I turned my back on Arch and went to ubuntu for some time. Now on openSuse TW, if something breaks, snapper just rolls it back.

Debian unstable is what I run primarily and Ubuntu as a secondary, but not so much these days. Mostly seems like whatever Ubuntu version is in development at the time mainly aligns with Debian testing, some things more the versions from unstable with a few things from elsewhere. I don't know when the original Ubuntu LTS release was released relative to Debian stable, but it seems like over time the timing gets skewed a little more with each LTS release with Ubuntu being released before Debian stable since Ubuntu releases on a schedule and Debian is 2ish years plus whatever additional time they think is needed to feel like it is done. Since I have never stuck with an Ubuntu LTS release for any length of time after it was released I don't know what Ubuntu does after Debian stable is released in terms of syncing updates to the LTS to the Debian versions, it might make sense for some things, but doesn't make sense for other things. It may or may not also depend on if it is something that gets official maintenance by developers paid by Canonical versus stuff that is community maintained.

"Linux is free if you don't value your time" comments are coming.

Now you have surprised me, fully understand your reasons for generally using a rolling update distro but would have thought you'd have an external (or similar) Debian based LTS to guard against an update breaking an important program.

Great content as always! Question: is it just me (audio is playing through my laptop's loudspeakers) or there's something odd with the sound? I hear a lot of weird artifacts, but I am not sure it's the actual program or my setup. Anybody else with the same impression?

I feel your pain. This is the reason I stopped using Linux. I love it, but I can not trust it. Last time I was trying to daily drive a Linux distro in 2019, in a critical moment when it was extremely important to print some documents, the OS I was using at the time (PopOS) did not boot because something went wrong with the update and I had to grab an other computer, create a live boot disk so I can grab the docs and print it. I had to spend an hour to get a 5 minutes work done. I loved PopOS so much I was even considering to get a Thelio. Finally in my frustration I ended up getting a Mac instead of the Thelio. It did cost the same. Am I happy? No. But so far macOS and all the apps works every single time I need it.

@albussd

2 жыл бұрын

It's understandable. I have a few questions though, out of curiosity - 1. Did you happen to try Debian (whatever flavour but especially stable)? 2. What made you choose MacOS over Windows since things just work in Windows too?

@ddabrahim

2 жыл бұрын

​@@albussd Yes I have tried Debian stable few years ago but could not get my wi-fi and bluetooth working. The reason I choose macOS over Windows is simply because it was the one operating system I have never used before. I was simply curious and I needed to upgrade my computer anyway. Figured if I don't like macOS I can still install Windows on the Intel powered Mac I have purchased or I can sell it and get a PC and install Windows but at this point I really wanted to experience macOS the proper way on actual Apple hardware and not using a hackintosh. Now the reason I decided to stick with macOS is that first of all, it works, I simply have no reason to look for alternative. Everything just works. I also do like the look and feel in general. It is remind me of the Gnome 3 desktop which is my favourite desktop and the security and privacy features built-in. But what really made me stick with macOS is the integration with my iPhone. Especially the ability I can make and receive phone calls and messages on my Mac and also transfer files and stream videos and screen between the two. All the Apple software like Pages, Numbers, Safari, iMovie, Photos, Maps, Mail..etc also very good quality software that also offer seamless integration with my iPhone. It is a great experience if you need such integration. Of course ChromeOS with Android offer similar and there are attempts on the Linux side like KDE Connect and Phone Link on Windows and of course Google and Microsoft cloud services and web apps but the integration and the overall experience is nowhere near as good and seamless as with macOS and iOS which I begin to like so much and use it every day, I don't think I could live without it. For example one thing I frequently do is take a picture with my iPhone, copy the text from the picture and past the tax in to a document on my Mac or scan an entire document using the iPhone and past it in to the email I am writing on my Mac . Just like that. Or maybe I am watching a video on my Mac but I feel like I would like to continue watching somewhere else in the house, no problem I can just stream the video over to my iPhone, or iPad, Apple TV and vice verse. One thing I am really looking forward to which is an M1 only feature is the ability to use your iPad as a secondary display and extended desktop on your Mac so you can just drag a file and move it across to your iPad and vice-verse. It is just such a great experience in my opinion. I don't want to rant her but since I am talking about why macOS vs Windows, an other interesting feature in macOS that I don't need personally but I can see how useful it can be for disabled people is Automator which is allow you to setup any task on the computer to be able to execute it with a voice command or by simply creating a launcher for it that people can click. Using a visual programming system with a powerful set of API you can automate absolutely any task on the computer and it is up to the applications what features they expose to this API. It is something I can't recall if Windows has anything similar built-in and I can imagine companies would charge thousands of $$$$ for something like this. It is not the reason I choose macOS but it is something I can highly recommend to people with disability. It is built right in and any family member can us it to setup automations.

@albussd

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddabrahim Sounds like a great ecosystem and highly convenient in use! Thanks for your elaborate response. I appreciate the time and energy you took to write it. About the Bluetooth and WiFi issue you faced in Debian a few years ago.. You might wanna try Debian non-free firmware version, if you haven't already. People usually ja e success with that iso unless their hardware is very newly released.

You need to pin vital programs if they're working for you and not upgrade them unless you have a period of time that you can update them and deal with their issues. This is a problem with a distro like Arch because you can't easily go backwards without using tools like timeshift or the arch downgrade tools.

@peterbrown6224

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, I want an image backup before I play with things and I don't want an application to force me to not do it when I don't have time. I'm looking at you, nordvpn.

By its very definition, stable means it doesn't change. Like everything else, there are tradeoffs. I would say, if you can specifically control how updates are done, then only update that which is necessary for newer software you want to test and don't update things like kdenlive. This is, in part, why I don't update unless there's a security patch that needs applying. Quite a bit of the software I use is also compiled from source, so if I really need to fix something and there's no patch yet I could just do it and not break anything.

You know, Manjaro has a point. If you want the good points of Arch minus the extra work of keeping it working, that little bit of delay due to extra testing kind of pays.

@arturopineiro6733

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience manjaro breaks way more often that arch. Haven't had to use timeshift on arch ever and on majaro I usually did it about every 2 months.

@infernocop31

2 жыл бұрын

@@arturopineiro6733 I had the same experience, one day I started my pc and manjaro didnt want to work anymore

@arturopineiro6733

2 жыл бұрын

@@infernocop31 There was a point when I was making a timeshift snapshot everytime before updating.

@Sitwayen

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds good but I chose to switch to endeavour OS after yet another AUR package refusing to update because the dependency was not up to date on Manjaro. Or even worst refusing to install.

@CaptainKenway

2 жыл бұрын

Manjaro is a good idea in theory, but the reality is that it's a complete mess and breaks more than Arch does. If you want a rolling release distro with slightly more stability, openSUSE Tumbleweed is the way to go.

I wish there was a place where Linux users (in my case Ubuntu 18.04 and Linux Mint Cinnamon) could go to find out which updates will increase instabillity/decrease stability.... and provide a warning and or suggest uninstalling those updates. There used to be a site like that when I was still using Windows which seemed to help a lot. It seems to me that most of the updates have to be unnecessary considering the few programs I actually use. I'd love to know which updates were actually needed and which were optional or not necessary at all.

I faced that same Kdenlive issue over the weekend! My solution was "Project" > "Render..." > "More options" and then unchecking the "Custom Quality" box as it had somehow become set to 3% for my MP4 preset. 😅

This. This is the reason why I've left firefox and shifted to Chromium. Firefox wasn't bringing any browser extensions I had. I need Dark reader badly. As sometimes I need to read wikipedia at night and wikipedia doesn't have any dark mode(man c'mon, just bring a dark mode) I heavily depend on dark reader and also on some websites. I was already frustrated with firefox enough with their high CPU Usage(I don't have a resourceful pc) and also not integrating with my themes and many more stuffs. Shifted to Chromium, now I guess I have to wait for the next broken issue.The reason I think is that, sometimes, devs feels so lazy that they don't put a lot of efforts to make it more polished. On the other hand, windows software programmers actually put a lot of efforts to make their software much more stable as they know, if something goes south, it would not only effect users, also their reviews.

Try rolling distributions other than arch. In my experience (and according to experience of my friends) other distributions (like openSUSE tumbleweed (it even creates a btrfs snapshot after every update, and you can rollback in 2 clicks)) are muuuuch more stable

@jeancorriveau8686

2 жыл бұрын

I tried Manjaro for a couple of months. Dependency troubles. The OS kept disconnecting from the network (internet). Rolling release might be the trouble. After many years trying distros, I settled for Mint.

@adwaitagnome

2 жыл бұрын

can add to this, openSUSE Tumbleweed has served me well for stability and I love zypper/yast auto snapshot feature.

@OcteractSG

2 жыл бұрын

I have encountered instability on Tumbleweed. One update and it would not boot to a display manager or even a TTY, including with recovery boot options. Thankfully I found a kernel parameter that got me to a TTY where I could update the system again. I could never recommend that experience to a new-to-Linux user.

@AstolfoKawaii

2 жыл бұрын

@@OcteractSG I am not talking about a new user I am talking about distrotube who uses arch. But have you tried just using the previous kernel or rolling back? Anyway obviously: 1) it is not perfect, it's impossible to be 100% as stable as debian and be bleeding edge distro at the same time 2) we compare stability to arch 3) I am not talking about openSUSE tumbleweed specifically, for example Gentoo is a good option too (doesn't use the bleeding edge packages by default, but you can choose which ones you want to have the version "from git" if you want to review them)

@AstolfoKawaii

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeancorriveau8686 yeah, the problem with Manjaro (arco Linux and others) is that it's basically arch, even with some additional testing it's not much better );

I think we need to move towards the more isolated applications. Even if it means that every application will run in it's separate container like Docker container. This is the good way to use those terabytes of storage and memory that we have in our hands nowadays. As a software developer I learned that isolation is always more stable with no exceptions. More isolation -> less bugs.

@delowanfocus

2 жыл бұрын

Fedora Silverblue is what you're looking for!!

I absolutely second the use of MX Linux. That has been one of the absolute best Operating Systems I have had. I do want to note that depending on what it is that you're wanting to do with it, some of the setup can be a little fiddly (namely when it's something that is being built from source), but once the software works, it's locked in.

DT recently tested Nixos. So is this distribution can solves the updates breaks ?

In my experience the absolute noob users rarely have stability problems. Its us neckbeards who feel the urge to "rice" things and break them eventually in the process 😅

Hmmm... Here's a feature for most package managers to adopt: options that would allow you to configure a temporary (customizable-- default would be 2 weeks) hold on programs you specify that would prevent them from being updated until the hold for that new version expires. You would also being able to designate a folder for the package manager to download the change logs for the programs you select and write it to a txt file for you to review at your leisure. A manual package manger upgrade would result in a notification of the temporary user-designated hold and ask if you wish to override it. That way you get the benefits of a rolling release but can still enforce consistency and reliability on programs critical for your production.

I will admit that I haven't used Windows since XP, but my memory of it is not great. I would not have called it "stable". However, I will also admit that the most stable OS I have ever used was Windows 2000 Advanced Server. It was nice! As an admin, it was a dream.

@AndrewErwin73

2 жыл бұрын

@@amystery5238 Yeah... I have heard it is getting better. XP was the last one I used and I have been full time Linux ever since. And yeah. those memory leaks are a bitch! I would have figured that by now they would have had those fixed. It is like anything else. It is YOUR work flow and you have to use the tools that best fit your needs, that make you the most productive. We talk about choice in the Linux community, well Windows and Mac are also choices!

I'm not new to linux, my first distro was Mandrake (now Mandriva - if not already discontinued). I've tried ubuntu back then and I left it because of buggy Unity desktop in favor for Debian Stable. And I use it in my production machine. When I need to develop stuff I just roll a VM on my debian and installed Fedora since their dev related things are much more up to date rather than Debian Stable. In conclusion, I use the most stable OS I can think of as my base and run everything else inside a VM, this is a good practice also for security and organizing your things when you work on different areas on computing, for example, malware analysis & apps development, I will just create 2 VM for each of them so they (or rather I) dont make a mess with the stuff within the VM.

Here a problem, I have my book live, it work on linux mint,but cant get to work in ultramarine, install smba,still does not work?

Rolling release Instability as it pertains to me=waste of life. I'm using Ubunto based Linux Mint and only update the Browser and the Kernal. Then when a new release comes out I switch over.

@MartinSchweigert

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I have no time to fix bleeding edge update problems.

@STONE69_

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinSchweigert I just laugh reading comment calling Stable release Distro's starter or for noobs. I have been using the same stable Distro for 11 years now. Many of these commenters are dual booting and using Windows. I say to these so called pro's, use that rolling release as your only OS, then make your comment LOL

Arch user here… good that you are ventilating about this, people often ask me why I’m still on Linux, I tell them that even though we sometimes seem to waste time on issues like these, overall our workflow is still optimised heavily when compared to using windows or a Mac. Also this issue for me as a software dev looks like somebody skipped coding at least one important integration test…

yeah i hear this a lot about linux, especially rolling release distros on arch i have had a few times where i had to downgrade a package because the latest version was too buggy. i would say in general though it doesn't happen often enough to be a deal breaker. a majority of the issues i have on arch are PEBKACs, for instance i once corrupted my initramfs somehow by adding a kernel parameter to grub (or something along those lines).

I've had that Kdenlive issue before with the pixelated mess. This happened when I rendered to webm, but when I switched to mp4 it worked fine. I have no idea why that would even happen.

@fred-youtube

2 жыл бұрын

You need to go to custom quality and increase it, it's 3% by default

After using Linux Mint since it started back in 2006, I had a period of distro-hopping but my main computer was always Linux Mint. When these idiotic times (we are not going to talk about it) started 2 years ago, many things changed and in the past few months, I started to collect some knowledge about Arch. You and your channel really inspired me. I am far from being a real Linux person. For one, I started late in life and I was always just a user, meaning I would play with different software to help me create some stuff, to surf the net, to play with sound and video, etc. In any case, in the past months, I have tried many ways to install and use Arch and I have to admit that it is exciting. It is easy to fall for Arch. My choice for Arch is RebornOS. For a few reasons and one is that I absolutely love MATE and I also don't have to get deep into learning Arch in order to use it and that is RebornOS. However, for simplicity, esthetics, and stability I chose MX Linux for my wife and I am and I will still be using Linux Mint as my main OS. Being that I am the only person that will be taking care of these 3 distros - I am looking at many years of fun to come. Cheers.'

@ayushchaudhari5655

2 жыл бұрын

What idiotic times though? Sincerely asking, because I am fairly new to Linux (since ~2 years).

@benjy288

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushchaudhari5655 I suspect he's talking about the so supposed "you know what virus" that can't be mentioned by name due to censorship.

@NebRadojkovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushchaudhari5655 I will not get into it. I envy you if you don't know what I am talking about. Cheers.

@ayushchaudhari5655

2 жыл бұрын

@@NebRadojkovic oh please, I beg you!

@ayushchaudhari5655

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjy288 oh shit he meant that?! I thought it had something to do with the Linux community or something. Sorry for being an idiot.

Also remember that Linux software has a fraction of the devs that proprietary software has. Something like Kdenlive is never going to seriously compete with Vegas or iMovie, simply because the number of programmers working on it is way smaller. (There are some categories of software where open-source has become competitive, because the margins were so low that all of the proprietary vendors stopped selling it. For instance, VSCode and the Clang compiler suite. These things became commodity and stopped being viable products).

I had similar issue with an update with GTK4 several weeks ago and the file dialog system for file saving on the web browser that depends on GTK could not save files due to some code changes that did not account for some NULL values. There were workarounds but it was annoying to not know what was causing the issue as there was no actual crashing or error message being logged to know if there was any issue at all. Another time there was an update to an image viewer I was using where the application would send certain values to color the background of the application did not match with the library's API was expecting, luckily it was an application using python to run the application so I was able to do my own fix to the python script to fix it. Linux applications and dependencies are truly the cause of a lot of instability but at the same time the applications are the reason why we use any OS for everyday task for entertainment or work and we have to take the good and the bad that comes with FOSS development.

@gogudelagaze1585

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of when I installed Fedora and got a mysterious "An error has occured" notification every minute. I could never figure out what caused it, as it was on a clean install.

shotcut is much stable and better than any other video editor ... 😁, im also use linux mint its very rare if some thing broken 😀

hey DT! Hearing this from you it`s exactly like the shoemaker doesn`t have sheos! The man who inspired me to read code and to digg in code tells me now that he got messed up by an update :)) Another good lesson from here is how to document the bug and put it on bugzzilla! Sorry to hear about the bad experience, hope to have some good tools someday but for now I`m very glad with the linux systems, no turning back for me. Thank you very much for the hard work, best of luck and hope to hear from now on only good news !!! :)

the kdenlive appimage works really great, great option instead of the arch build

I frequently update Windows 10 and the apps that run on it, and I can't remember the last time I saw a blue screen of death. Yes, once in a blue moon I have an app crash on me, but not in the way it cannot be used after a second attempt. However, it has to be said, I'm a bit more tech-savvy than the average user on Windows, so it may be that other people do stuff on their Windows machines that make it more prone to crashes.

@zaraza.

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, Windows just has all this bad fame because of it's previous releases like Win95/98 when it was pretty bad. But since Win XP sp1 it became really stable. I myself experienced literally zero BSODs since Win XP until Win 8.1. I have to say that Win10 was a step down in this regard (I've had a bunch of frustrating bugs and even BSODs with it) but it's still better choice than Linux for desktop OS.

To be honest, its one reason I switched to Silverblue as my main distro. Least if theres a bad update to the core system, super easy to rollback. Also is it possible to download older flatpaks?

Yeah.. Kdenlive seems to be a common cause for frustrations among many Linux users. However being stable, I think that some BSD users say that they've never faced any issues when running Kdenlive in FreeBSD. So maybe you could look at that. I don't do any video editing, so I am not an expert. I'm just saying that it is worth a shot. I'm currently using FreeBSD and I like it. I will be going back to macOS though, when I can afford to get myself one of those new M1 or M2 machines.

I think you need to have another look at macOS, DT. It's by far the most stable OS I've used over the last decade, especially over the last 3 years. I switched to Linux full-time (Ubuntu 20.04) between Dec 2021 and February '22 and had sporadic issues with Wifi dropping out. I eventually switched back to Mac when my Linux boot volume switched to read-only and dropped me into a GRUB command line on reboot. I had no idea where to go from here, and re-installed macOS. Since then I've had no WIFI issues and my system is rock solid. I'm a huge fan of Linux and may well try again with newer hardware, but that sort of system failure I can't accept. Any packages I'd installed via APT or third-party Linux repositories were also available via Homebrew on macOS, so I lost nothing.

@WildVoltorb

2 жыл бұрын

booooooo, not FOSS, booooo

Nothing I love more than compiling my own drivers, reading 3000 forum posts about how to fix my unique problem. I’d rather pay my 15$ for a windows license with wsl and save those few hundred hours than deal with driver issues.

@rafacoluccijf

2 жыл бұрын

If you dont care about privacy yes, thats a solution

I updated Arch Linux yesterday and it just wouldn't boot after a restart. Then it decides to suddenly work after a few hours?

Finally Someone who understands my frustrations. It's not that I don't want my packages to ever break at all, It's the gnu core utils that concerns me if any of core utils break that leads to more frustrations than anything else. Good thing we can roll back to previous versions

I feel your pain brother. I run Linux on my home machine and work machine - I don't want to use anything else unless I have to. Sometimes these things happen. And when they do it's annoying but I usually find a workaround. What I recommend is running two machines - one that's LTS and the other that's rolling. And I know that people are gonna hate on me for this but a Windows machine too. And many virtual machines of all different types -- diversify. It sounds like a lot but it's good to have your bases covered. I'm using mainly Ubuntu but have done Manjaro and CentOS.

Moral of the story: Debian is the best distro, Ubuntu is the 2nd best.

@ArniesTech

2 жыл бұрын

although I am careful with extreme/absolute claims, from experience I must admit you right here. Solid as tanks 💪

I always create a TimeShift restore point before updating anything. Before trying to work with the new version of a program's AppImage file, I keep one older version in the recycle bin. Got rid of Snap and Flatpak weeks ago and I don't regret it. 64GB pen drives are not as expensive as it was three years ago. Pen drives are an excellent choice for storing TimeShift data. If anything goes wrong after an update, restore points will be of great help. I will try to update the system after two days. If the bug remains even after that, I can always roll back to an earlier stable stage so that I can wait as long as the glitches are not fixed. Learned it the hard way.

Is there anything about Pop OS! LTS, vs Ubuntu LTS, MX, or Mint, that would preclude it as a stable recommendation for friends new to Linux?

What is that screen saver called? TIA

I agree, bleeding edge software in Linux makes my head bleed when I smash it against my desk in frustration when things break. If I had room and a lot of money for it, I'd have other computers with the "tried and true" builds of the software on them with the same hardware as my main machine so I could just swing my chair around to them and jump on them to get something done. I'd have centralized storage setup to where any of the other PCs could easily pick up the files from the PC that went down and allow me to continue on it. But I'm not made of money so I don't run the bleeding edge software if I don't need to. I'll let the experts like DT and others that need and/or thrive in that environment find all the issues so they can be fixed before it gets to me. In a way, your frustrations in finding those issues only help the rest of us as it puts a spotlight on a current problem and it gives the rest of us a heads up before we update our systems.

For software which is you know breaks with updates from time to time, isn't it possible to try out the update on a different machine to see if everything still works and then update on the main machine? Or maybe just use the btrfs to roll back to the un-updated version of the system?

@javaman2883

2 жыл бұрын

There is still an unknown with that testing. If the updates are dependency related, they could occur on some systems but not others. Perhaps keeping a system, or just a VM, that has identical applications and libraries installed, that could be updated and tested. If every one of the apps you rely on works after the updates, then you can apply updates on the primary machine. A problem is, if you wait a couple days for testing, then additional updates may have been rolled into the repositories, which invalidates your testing.

@gamerboy4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@javaman2883 In that case the btrfs based snapshotting seems to be the best way to handle these cases.

Try Debian Testing, it strikes an excellent balance between stability and being bleeding edge. Void Linux is not bad either, except for lesser software availablity. It is pretty stable despite being a rolling release distro. I run Void, btw.