yeh it's really cruel, i have'nt used linux for weeks because of the things i've seen [read], anyways. i still enjoy your video's, ur the dude.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Don't let a few less-than-friendly blowhards skew your perception of the Linux community. There are millions of great people in Linux. It would suck for you to miss out on the opportunity to get to know and befriend some of these people because of a couple of jackasses that don't know how to act.

@lineber2

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that, there are some know distros to avoid when learning. As mentioned (generally) Archlinux and Gentoo have some of the best documentation online, but some of their users are easily frustrated with newbie questions. Fedora Workstation is pretty cool and I'd be disappointed if you can't find help online with Fedora.

@stemogstel22

6 жыл бұрын

I appreciate this video. I’ve been running Linux for a few years now. Right now I’ve got a computer on openSUSE, another on Debian, another on Antergos. I love hopping around distros, but I come back to my love for Linux Mint. It just work. That’s where I started, and I still enjoy it.

@Justin-nd9fp

6 жыл бұрын

Imagine being this much of a nancy

Thank you for saying this. I think the largest reason Linux isn’t competing with Windows besides the usual legalities, software issues..ect. Is that people in the community don’t want to see Linux become mainstream, and commercially viable. I tried Linux every other month and I get nothing but shitposts when asking for help. I subbed for your courage to speak against the grain.

Person: Wind- Linux community: WINDOWS UPDATES WINDOWS UPDATES WHO USES WINDOWS???? WINDOWS UPDATES WINDOWS UPDATES WINDOWS UPDATES WHO USES WINDOWS???? WINDOWS UPDATES SPY SPY SPY BAD

@MrTheshadowking

4 жыл бұрын

WS- OH MY GOD MICRO$OFT IS TRYING TO DESTROY LINUX I DONT USE WINDOWS UBUNTU IS SOOOOO MUCH BETTER

@stanleybowman-hood6194

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrTheshadowking don’t forget the dollar sign $$$$$$$$$$$

@NewRepublicMapper

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile the Mac Community: If you want to use Windows in Mac, Try Using Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop

Great video. When I was new to Linux I had trouble with Wi-Fi drivers. A mod on the official Ubuntu forums told me "I don't think you should be using Linux if you can't solve this issue on your own.". The resulting argument got me banned. Lots of people like Linux because it's obscure and finicky. It leads to an elitist attitude. It puts noobs off joining in the community. Until the support is improved for the major Linux/GNU distros people will be put off using them.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your story, Stephen.

About as far as I get into the Linux community is watching channels like yours. I've used Ubuntu for years... And I stick with it because it works.

@blackneos940

5 жыл бұрын

Animal Facts And more power to you. :)

Y'all OS noobs are missing out. I run my games on BIOS.

@aaaaeeeeffffeeeekkkkssss

Жыл бұрын

Firmware gaming

@MortCodesWeb

4 ай бұрын

WHAT. HOW?

@stormrider001

4 күн бұрын

Windows is about to release the BIOS edition.

Thanks for taking the time to make a video on this subject. It needs to be addressed and you laid out the issues very well.

@Kneedragon1962

6 жыл бұрын

LOL, oh, hello. All my friends are showing up....

"Telling someone to read the manual. Why did you even bother typing that?" ... Best quote ever

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

Because some people come off as so clueless it is easy to imagine they do not know a manual even exists.

@1pcfred

3 жыл бұрын

@@jellyfishi_ which section? Why all of it of course! When we say RTFM we do mean the whole thing. It is what we did. Then if you still have a question you may ask. There are some topics that are not covered. There you're directed to read the source code then. I read about Linux for a year straight before I even started running it. Because I wanted to have some idea of what I was doing. I asked a question in a forum the other day. But that was only after I'd spent two days reading everything I could about the topic. Asking is the last thing anyone should ever do. When you've exhausted every avenue then you ask. www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

@johnnycochicken

3 жыл бұрын

@@1pcfred that's great but unrealistic to expect of most

@1pcfred

3 жыл бұрын

@Faggbear Animations that's their loss then. I guess if they're smart enough to figure things out on their own then more power to them. But if they're that smart they already know what they need to do. In Linux there's two kinds, those that read manuals and those who write them.

@mariolis

2 жыл бұрын

telling someone to RTFM is no better than telling people to go F themselves if someome has trouble and you tell them that , they will not be any closer to the solutiom to the problem than if you said nothing If you want linux to be seen and used by more people , if you want the FOSS movement to spread , this needs to stop. Our goals can only be achieved if we are being nice and helpful to the newbies. People are emotional creatures. Even if you make complete sense in that 99% of the time , the answer can be found easilly , by telling that person to RTFM you are just antagonising them. I wonder how many newbies returned to windows because of jackasses RTFMimg them

Common sense isn't actually common. Totally agree with you. Peace!

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir.

@conceptofeverything8793

2 жыл бұрын

It would be common if we were to talk it more often without feeing stupid for mentioning something obvious. Tell the obvious to one person, it will be awkward for no reason. Tell it to a crowd, they will listen in awe.

I've always sticked to windows because of how arrogant and elitist the Linux community seemed to me. Of course not everyone is, but it really pushed me away.

Totally agree with your comments. 68 years old, new to Linux, memory not what it used to be, so need all the help I can get.

This has been a problem since the 90s and I think it's the main reason we are still stuck at 2% market share.

I only recently moved to making Linux my primary host OS on my daily driver. I already get crap because I am using Mint and not something more difficult to use, which makes zero sense to me. I have been using Windows since 3.1.1 for workgroups, of course I want the easiest to adapt to distro for me. I am trying to get work done, not prove how nerdy I can be by using a harder to use distro because it is "cool". Some of us actually want to get work done, not mess around trying to make a distro work. Thank you for this video, it is spot on.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jacqueline. If Mint is working for you, stick with it. No need to change to another distro just because it's what all the "cool kids" are running.

i dont understand why some people are toxic towards new users. If someone is asking a question about something and you know the answer.. Why dont just give the answer right away instead of being toxic?! f*ing keyboard warriors think that they are something on the web because they use Arch..

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Some of these people get off on belittling others. It makes them feel better about themselves. Often these people are down on themselves and/or are failing in life. So they try to tear others down.

@PL-VA

6 жыл бұрын

This is a very one sided video. Often the toxicity comes from more than one source. Try asking Ubuntu how to solve your Fedora problems and see what happens when you insist it's just linux and they MUST help you. Also, when a community means everyone you get mature and immature people all put together. You get people that think they know a lot, and people who actually do know a lot but are quiet. When you approach an open community board of volunteers keep that in mind. This is not professional support - it's just people chit-chatting about what they like and do. That doesn't make it support by any sense of the word. If support is what you need, that's a paid-for service.

@mrhunterf2869

5 жыл бұрын

NOOBuntu is for Noobs! Use Arch. PS: I use Arch btw.

@invalidaccount2315

5 жыл бұрын

if you have a lot of money why dont you just give me some for free??

@blackneos940

5 жыл бұрын

Kenny Bohjort And telling newbies to "Google it" is just redundant and a circle jerk.

thanks man. i'm a Linux noob and have been watching your [and several other Linux] channel to learn a bit. i have plenty of time to listen to videos, but not much time to read due to work constraints. i greatly appreciate your views, even when i disagree with them [in several of your other videos], and i respect your honesty and obvious passion for Linux and it's community.

lol, honestly the abrasiveness of the "community" back in the early 90's was one of the things I loved. As for distros I still prefer slackware for most things.

Well said! Just hope everyone takes it to heart!

Derek, I totally agree with you. I have worked with Linux off and on for 15 years and have gone fully into Linux just recently. I really appreciate what you do for the community. Keep up the good work.

Well said, Sir! We've all seen this from time to time. I think there is a percentage of the Linux community who probably spend way too much time in front of a keyboard and not enough time developing people skills with actual human beings. No manners, no tact and always have to be the smartest person in the room. I believe this mentality stems from low self esteem and probably small hands syndrome. :) Not to mention, I'd be willing to bet, not a single one of these toxic people would dare act that way in real life in front of an actual person as for fear of being punched in the face. They love that they can hide behind their monitors and be horrific piles of excrement. All of that being said... I don't think the answer is to abandon the entire community. Personally, I have found friendly groups and hang and chat with positive people. (for the most part). It all goes back to the rule (the "Golden Rule" if you will) Do unto others and you would like them to do unto you. And more importantly, "Don't be a Richard". (If you know what I mean :)

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

>not a single one of these toxic people would dare act that way in real life in front of an actual person as for fear of being punched in the face. It's certainly easier to talk trash to someone when they are just pixels on a screen. In real life, I'd throat punch some of these people for saying some of the stuff they do. :D

@LinuxQuest

6 жыл бұрын

Karl Schneider , well said brother, well said.

I'm glad you made this video. Especially the points about the RTFM cliche and general IT-elitism, i.e. those people who think that if you didn't build your own kernel or something, you can't hack it in the community. I'm a fellow Ubuntu user, and no matter how many distros I've played with, both easy and not-so-easy, I always go back to Ubuntu because I know I'm guaranteed stability, maintenance, compatibility, and convenience. People shouldn't be called noobs because they want to use a computer for useful work rather than spend hours in /etc trying to find that magic line to edit. If I'm in a chat or forum and see elitist talk, I always try to call them out. We were all new to Linux once, and if the question is something that comes easy to you, just answering it and helping someone out on their path to free software should be a joy and a prerogative. Love your videos, here's wishing to many more!

@DistroTube

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, C C.

thank you for bring this to light not many people talk about this

Yeah. This actually is a Problem anywhere. I was browsing askUbuntu a few weeks ago, and I saw a post by someone who wanted to know how to install Ubuntu. (He said it kind of unprofessional, I don't remember what exactly he said.) And immediately a lot of users basically told him that he is too stupid for Linux. (We're talking Ubuntu here.) So, I wrote him a reply and told him how to create an iso and boot it etc.. A few days later, he posted again, asking how to update his software. Same situation. Now, I saw this again and helped him to do this. Then, about 2 weeks later, he asked how to use the dd command in Terminal. Immediately, others jumped at him saying basically RTFM. I thought great, he is moving to the Terminal! Helped him again and showed him man, apropos, etc. He actually messaged me on Discord the next time. I teached him a few things and he actually is using Linux daily now. He replaced Windows with it. Just give newbies a chance. Just one note: I don't want to talk down on Ubuntu. Im using Pop_OS based on Ubuntu myself. I can install Arch but why should I when I basically make it look and feel like Ubuntu anyway. Also, I have many people using Windows that have more experience with Linux than you. Just because they dont want to tinker around with Linux. Some people can't be bothered to compile thier own kernel. Next thing: I see this in many communities. I was learning python a few months ago and I asked in a form how to close a Statement. (I was comming from C#) And this jacka** replies to me saying that Im too stupid for programming and I should just stop. I replied to him: I said that I'm a professional C# developer and I can do things in C# he can only dream of. Silence. No answer. Also, If you want to contribute to a project, don't donate. Send bug reports. Or, even better: fix it and send in the code. Bugreports are so much more valuable than donations.

i iNsTaLlEd aRcH bY MySeLf sO tHaT GiVeS mE ThE rIgHt To Be aRrOgAnT aF.

I am very new at installing Linux. To let you know after trying many times I finally have Sparky Linux installed on my Thinkpad T430S. I am super pleased tha I have it running. Learning to do some tweaks and I thank you for your encouragement.

Everything is fixed with a simple reply: "Troll"

That was well said DistroTube. thank you for the advice, I love what you said I'm going to do it.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, TJ.

My compliments. Your video was spot-on. Well said. I applaud you for making this and well said.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Martin Engelbrecht Much appreciated.

Truer words have never been spoken. Great vid 👍🏾

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

seewardone Thanks!

I'm slowly trying to get more familiar with Linux. I have 17.10 dual booted on my desktop (with Windows 10) and my laptop (with Windows 8.1). Unfortunately my college's wifi seems to just hate both my installs, if it works at all it's deathly slow. I wish it worked better so I would be more comfortable using it as my daily driver. All of that to say that as a Linux noob I really appreciated this video, you've earned yourself a sub.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Alex. Good luck in college!

WELL SAID, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT OUT , IT IS ALMOST LIKE IT IS BEING DONE ON PURPOSE, PRECISE AIM TO DO DAMAGE IT SEEMS LINUX IS MAKING SOME PEOPLE NERVES

Hi Derek , feels good to get that of your chest eh ? Thanks for having the nuggets to bring this into the open.It needs to be said . I cant help thinking though that the Linux community is not all that toxic, although a few individuals are . Actually the Linux community has given selflessly of its time so that you and I can have , and be free to choose an alternative OS for gratis .So I thank Linus Torvalds , Richard Stallman and every Linux developer who ever tapped away at the keys for my pleasure and convenience. There are 7.6 billion souls on earth and there is bound to be negativity . I think we need to be a little more thick skinned call a troll a troll and be appreciative for the freedom that Linux represents. I luvs it.

DistroTube's Code of Conduct: Don't be a jackass! - Best CoC ever!

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

It's short and sweet. Like the BSD license. No need to get overly wordy on these things.

@iLiokardo

4 жыл бұрын

Be excellent to eachother.

I think it was 2013 when I joined the community. I honestly am deeply saddened by the fact that over time we've become more hateful in the community. I don't care what distro someone is using, I'm just glad someone is using one. Now if someone is running an outdated one, I'd politely help them to update, upgrade, or migrate depending on the use case. I love Antergos, but I'm more than happy if you're using gentoo and are going into web development.

Thank you for doing this video! While anyone who watches some of us Linux KZreadrs interact you will see us poking fun at some choices people make the difference is that it's done in the spirit of fun and we all take the approach of using whatever option Linux offers that works best for you that you should use it. The my distro is better stuff is just silly to do as at the end of the day we are all using the Linux kernel.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Well said, sir. Kind of like we make fun of that one KZreadr that uses i3. We are not necessarily trying to be mean-spirited. He just needs to learn that there are other window managers out there. :D

@dark1LTG

6 жыл бұрын

or DE's for those other high level users who arent mensa :P *can we get him to use Enlightenment?*

I use kubuntu and I've experienced what you're talking about especially when I say what distro I run on forums and sites like reddit. The term free software nazi is a very accurate term to describe those guys. Thank you for speaking out about this.

Ubuntu community is the least toxic one. That's one of the reason I stick with it.

@DJgregBrown

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@DistroTube let me thank you first for making this much necessary video and raising this issue which really really need to be talked about/discussed around the opensource community and specially the Linux community. People trying to show off how "Geek" they are or how "l33t" they are just because they are running a particular OS or may be using of any common DEs and WMs , they are using some tiling WM or something like that is the major part of the problem. I hope more people listen to and watch this video and specially those who are new to Linux or planning to migrate to Linux, they must know and understand that not the entire Linux community is like this. You will find many helpful and knowledgeable people too but yes as you mentioned there is a fare share of people who are plain "jackass". So just ignore people who are rude to you and trying to demotivate you and KEEP USING LINUX.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Monk!

excellent points made. Just to upbeat things a bit, I've had some excellent interaction on social media that for the most part outweigh the bad. My only issue is some s.m. channels have become in my view very 'drama' and 'ranty' oriented, and its stoking the fire of their audience too much for me. They may have a point but I'd rather focus on the positive, the community etc.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Tom.

It's really sad that we need to have videos like this, but we do. I laugh it off when someone says "Why are you running fedora? Can't you install Arch?" It is one of the reasons I left arch. The community (for the most part, there still are very nice people in the community and kudos to them) is horrid. I work and have a family. I am not 14 anymore with time to muck around with my system. I can't tell a client "Oh I can't get this feature up, my system is down" this won't fly. I really love Gentoo, but have taken it off my main machine as I don't have time to set use flags and compile my system, unfortunately. I use fedora (or whatever) because it gives me a quick system to get up and running and easy maintenance so I can get work done to pay for all these nice things. This is the one reason Linux will not be the desktop system, the community. Great stuff, keep up the good work!

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Alex. I'm very much the same way these days. I just don't have the time to waste on lengthy installs and fixing minor breakages on a weekly basis. I just want a set-it and forget-it kind of distro. Call me a noob!

@alexafshar4358

6 жыл бұрын

Haha Everyone is a Noob at something at somepoint! By the way, that FreeBSD tidbit you mentioned, can you link to that when you get a moment? Cheers!

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

The FreeBSD was all over the internet in last couple of weeks. Here is one article: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/ Also check out Bryan Lunduke's channel. He's made a few videos about it. He claims he's even received threats from FreeBSD members because of his videos criticizing the new code of conduct.

@alexafshar4358

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yea, I'm always out of the loop these days :p thanks for the quick response man I appreciate that, going to add you to my patreon list! Cheers!

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that, Alex. Take care, my friend.

Thanks Derek great job mate. The Linux community is good for the most part however the toxic ones are also the most vocal. Like google reviews for a restaurant, the ones that were happy usually don't bother reviewing but the ones that aren't will ensure they do. I believe there are some people in the Linux community *cough Reddit cough cough* that bring a disservice to not only new people but aspiring developers that want to support the platform.

I fully agree and support your opinion!

[ Smiles ] Derek, unfortunately the "Elitist" attitude is going to be around for a very long time to come. What we need is a unified Linux community. People shouldn't make fun of those people who use a different distro than they are using. Also, people should be free to use whichever distro of Linux that they desire.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Well said, Renard.

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

People are certainly free to run whatever they want to. But they also need to be prepared for the consequences of their actions too. The advise of successful experienced users should not be dismissed out of hand. Remember, it works for us. You're the one with the problems.

very interesting thoughts. IMO Internet is in the stone age, with the difference that once the strength and length of the club were of importance, and now knowledge of a specific range is important to show your domination. From an evolutionary point of view, we are still hunters and gatherers. :P

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Very true, ratty.

With the BSD thing, you got it a bit wrong, I still not very fan of that (and how the people that support it act about criticism), but it was more of a 'over the top' thing of giving things like 'sending someone a hug gif' as a examples of harassment, but even for something I don't like, I prefer to be honest, the way you said kinda implied it as being something worse. In all, everything you said was good and i pretty much agree. In example, there's also all this "systemd is good or bad" thing, were some guy just commented 'OperRC ftw' on someone's video talking about that, and the channel owner responded 'if you say this again, I'll ban you' More love in the FOSS community pls FOSS 4 life

I know this is a 3 year old video but I have to say this. No one ever should have to justify why they are using a distro! The simple answer that I just like it, is always more than enough. And that btw comes from an Arch user.

People should get thick skin, and yeah I see rtfm sometimes, but mostly I see someone pointing that person to a link of an already solved problem. In other words...the person with the problem didn't go through a simple web search to attempt to help themselves FIRST, before starting a new thread. Seriously, I've very rarely run across an issue myself that there wasn't an answer for with a single web search

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Valid points.

@izadkamal

6 жыл бұрын

Man, can't believe I have to scroll down so far to like this post... In addition, most forums will have something like "pinned thread" to inform users (including noobs) the best way to get their problems solved and warn them of unfavorable response they might get if they post noob questions without first rtfm and google search. That being said, maybe some community can create something like a beginners forum where beginners can support each other - I'm thinking like what the cplusplus.com did for example

THANK YOU. Finally someone that is saying the same things I have. How the hell is your RTFM even worth posting. Oh wait just so you get that extra post comment point and look good in front of your virtual peers. I am convinced that the people that post that comment don't know the answer themselves.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Josh.

I have used Linux on and off for about 15 years now. I distro hop periodically just to stay up to date on whats going on. There are specific distro groups that are worse than others, when it comes to just being crap heads towards anyone who isn't as "elite" as them.. I wont name the distros, but you can probably figure it out.. I just dont understand what is gained by that kind of toxic mentality... Great video!

Yep heard all of this in a fitness stream of all things this morning, because I picked Linux Mint as my distro due to it having a stable install of OBS. I was lectured for not using Gentoo or a "harder" distro regardless of stability or packages that I need. I blocked them and kept going, like you said no point in getting angry over something this dumb.

I'm what you call a junk yard dog and I say good for you. I look forward to seeing more of your work in the future I try to bring people to linux by fixing one machine at a time . Thank you brother.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Aaron.

Let's put this in simple terms. If you want professional support, where things get fixed FOR you, you pay! If you're PART of the community, so you not only use but share, then for all means use the FOSS communities all over the place, gain respect as you contribute. The more respect, the more willing people are to help you out with your issues. Being a "linux user" (no such thing) doesn't mean other people have signed up to support you and your venture. That is what Apple and Microsoft provides - you pay for that privilege and that model works better for some.

as 20 year Linux user - this subject is ongoing. Made better and worse by ease of distro installation - Patience in using any OS is key. Fear not - the quality of Linux overcomes much soap-opera - legitimate complaints about a distro or the kernel are always helpful :-) Ben, in El Paso, TX

Well said. I myself started a second career at forty years old. I went through the curve too. I had to work my tail off to make it up to some kind of respectable speed. I had to do this because I needed to make a living. I could not agree with your assessment more.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ryan.

I'm a Linux user, too. And sometimes I use FreeBSD/GhostBSD. But I stick to the fact that I like popular distros like Mint, Ubuntu, Mageia (in earlier times) and Endeavour OS. There is nothing bad about that. But when I changed to Linux from Windows 7, just mentioning the word "Windows" would kick me out of discussions! Linux users who shoot into their own foot don't serve the common good.

Linux is still Linux. As a Tiny Core user, I don't feel that an Arch or Gentoo user is more superior to me. I don't need all the headaches that complicated distros have, I have tried many distos over the years, but Tiny Core will always be my distro of choice.

nice presentation sir.

I don't ususally create topics or post comments on forums. However, I literally just did, looking for a straightfoward answer and all I got was smugness... It was the Arch Linux forum. Issue wasn't solved or even addressed. Lucky for me it seems to have solved itself cuz that discussion was useless...

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that, Benjamin.

I think this is a problem across all open source communities. I'm facing it right now in 3D printing. Like my videos aren't being hit. But me literally asking when an open source product is going into production and that I don't have the time to play the games with it. That last part completely freaked out open source people and caused some hive mind attack. After I pointed out that mentality has made Linux toxic for anyone on the outside. Some were coming back saying I should shut up because they are sure I don't help out the open source community at all. (even when just clicking my user name or checking out my channel proves that false.) Sadly, it's the far few that makes any community toxic. But I think that will hold the open source community back since it's just not worth dealing with such people. No one wants to be on pens and needles.

I have to say I am fortunate that I use Linux and have for a few years and have not run into the issues with the community. That being said, I’m not on forums or the like. I get my info typically from KZread videos.

Hid Derek! Keep on with your good work! I'm just a casual linux user; I don't use any other operanting system since 2009. My old machines don't support new windows OP. Just for curiosity I came acroos linux in the very begining, 1995. Red Hat. Just before win 95 came out. I just use linux for the trivial daily things. Internet, mail spredsheet, photo management, etc. Not knowing much about programming. Regards! Carlos....

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Carlos!

i feel the your right ! that sad to say . But this goes way deeper than linux it self . People in general on any forum- a person asks a question they always get snide remarks instead of help . i hate that people think this is how people roll any more , but we need to get rid of this norm every where , If i have question ill email some one Not post on any forums at all any more . But but the normal user i just wish the linux commuinty would make a page where they have the distros and where linux it comer from it makes it so confusing and what people want to use . there is so many out there would be nice to have one page they are all one . plus have a Questionaire on what linux would be best for common people uses , as we all use linux different , but this is my thought

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, Renee.

THANK YOU! I tried completing my thesis on OpenOffice and it went pretty good but then i had to convert to PDF and it was optimized for .docx format so i had to use Microsoft Word to add the images because images did not translate from odf to pdf. I love Linux but saying you can do anything on it Is misinformation, can most people use it for everyday use? Maybe, but we should not mind others'business

As an Arch user for last 6 years, I think it's easy to maintain for me. But in my usega case I install my system once, configure it as I want, configure some backup system and use that installation for next 3-4 years till I change my pc... But I would never ever tell someone "everyone should use Arch" or something like that. I chose to use that distro cause I feel like home in it. Someone else wants to use Ubuntu LTS cause they don't want to spend time to configure it and they don't need for the system to work 100% as they want, they just want that system to work for next few years. Some other people use Solus cause they like desktop environment and package manager... As long as you use something not EoL everybody should be ok with it. And heck, they're using and free os, not Windows or Mac OS, you should be happy about it.

Thanks for sharing these wise words. Such videos are very important for grooming future leaders. If Linux ever falls it will be because of division and selfishness.

I didn't expect that something at this level is happening in the open source community, but it is... I hope we can fix this by ignoring trolls.

you are speaking the truth sir

I totally agree. Advantage of freedom is sometimes a real disadvantage. I do not like all the forks and the new distro. I prefer to bring the strength together... but this is a dream... and I do not like how sometimes experienced users threated newbies...

"the open source community is not the place for politics" you should try telling stallman that. it would be funny. (after he first make a rant about whether you mean free software or open source)

Great video. I agree with you 100% about the community. I will never be certain why it is the way it is, but I do largely feel one of the large contributors to it is a large lack of individual maturity amongst many in the community. And to be clear, I am not just talking about age, here (although that is most definitely a large part of what we experience, of course--any perusal of a bigger tech tuber comments, say like LinusTechTips, will show you this). The 'elitist' in any given forum, is most often not just some teenager, yet they choose to spout of some nonsense which doesn't help anybody. And for what? Why? I don't really get it. The notion of restraint is just lost on some people, I suppose. And I think that is where maturity comes into play. For the most part, I don't see nothing wrong with being a fan of something, but when it starts blocking ones ability to have viable discourse with others, through a conveyance of condescension and resentment, then that is when it turns into annoying fanboy-ism. Thank you for the honest video, man:)

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Good stuff, ritual. Agreed 100%. Rule number one: do not try to force your opinions on others.

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

You mean like what you're trying to do with this video? Agree 100%

Good video.

I'm sure these people are great at within-the-computer and between-computers stuff on the computer, but they just can't fathom anyone doing real-life stuff on the computers.

Truer words have never been spoken

I've yet to have a bad experience asking for assistance in the Linux community. Certainly people can be both angels and assholes, depends on the tide and the angle of the sun I guess. I think the trick is for one to shut up if you're having a bad day, and the other to stop taking everything so damn personal. My general rule for life is if anyone is trying to learn or be productive then it's a reason to lift them up even if I personally don't like what they're doing, not shut them down.

Is the community programmed in C? If it is then I will be unable to patch it.

I use ubuntu 16.04 lts because I don’t have to worry about compatibility with any major linux applications

How about doing a video on the various ways of getting involved in the Linux community

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

Run Linux and file bug reports after you have throughly investigated things, and know it is not just you.

I don't use the Linux Mint forums. Having said that, I wouldn't get too hung up on what people within these Linux communities say. Because even the Apple and Microsoft communities are the same way, not just Linux.

I used to have Ubuntu on a second drive. There was an update that corrupted my windows boot drive. So I jumped on the forums, asked some questions. More than one reply was, you don't need Windows. I found a fix and haven't booted that drive in years.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly, you see this sort of reply on all the Linux forums. We (as a community) need to do a better job at supporting Windows when people need help with it (dual booting or in a VM).

@deathangel523

6 жыл бұрын

That would of pissed me off enough to become a Windows only guy and make a few webpages dedicated to bashing that distros community lol.

rtfm is as bad as people who just go on forms and say "it doesn't work!". What doesn't work? Can you provide screenshots? Can you provide a log? Have you google this? What are some steps you've tried? Helping is not the issue sometimes it's figuring it out. People asking the question should provide as much info as the people answering.

Well said. Regardless of the OS or political view even we should always practice intellectual humility.

the most untoxic communities i seen were #windows irc, amdosx on discord and #manjaro irc others are pretty bad

About 3 minutes in... You have a point, and you are not the first to make it. And it could take some repetition. But the counter-point, is that the *community* you speak of, is not made up of paid staff. We are not the first level help desk at micr0$oft and we are not paid to deal with nubes who tell us they can't re-boot windows because the curtains are in the way. I have many MANY times felt that I would like simpler and more helpful (and respectful) answers to my questions, and I would like to deal with people who did not indulge in intellectual snobbery, but I have also had to deal with questions that indicate a degree of ignorance on the part of the questioner, and I know that isn't easy either. In most cases, I was not getting paid to answer those questions, I was doing so out of the goodness of my own heart, which is a poorly defined quantity.... There are toxic elements in public discussion. That's not just in Linux. Look at the Forest Gump supporters. But the alternative is to not have a public discussion, or to impose censorship on it. The real world is not like Disneyland, and the script for it did not come from Matel with your Barbie & Ken. Linus talks to people like intellectual equals, not like he was their school teacher. That raises some people's hackles, but the rest of us sit and chortle, because Linus is funny, and Linus has far better people skills than most of us can dream of, despite the opinions to the contrary. Every time Linus tells some programmer to pull his head in & wake the fkcu up, we all have a laugh, and hope that we don't get in the way of the next blast. His blasts are usually well aimed & deserved. It's not really all that toxic, it just isn't the environment you get from the staff at McDonalds, in their silly uniforms with a name tag, because McDonalds is not paying them. Microsoft is not paying them, and nor is Oracle or FaceBook or Google. They help because they want to. If you want paid help that's respectful, and mostly nice, go pay for your RedHat Enterprise. With free Linux help, people laugh at you to your face, and usually tell you what they find funny. At Micro$oft help, they laugh behind your back, and say Yes Siri + No Siri + 3bags full Siri + Thanx V much to your face, but they will talk about you amongst themselves, and don't imagine they talk nicely or respectfully, because they don't... You are obviously an idiot because you paid a hundred buck or so for Windows. What more proof do I need? And now you're on the phone because you can't make the Barbie & Ken operating system work. Well, how 'bout that?

I agree, but I think what gets people annoyed is when newbies ask basic questions that can be easily googled, or could have been fixed by reading the man page(RTFM, lol), I don't support any sort of bullying-like behavior on the web, but sometimes people just need to realize that Linux is way more fun when you troubleshoot and fix the issue yourself (with some help from Google). If you are having a problem with Linux, chances are it has already been answered in one of the forums, and if it is not, and if the question is Genuine, please ask the community for help, for it may help someone down the line when they are having the same problem as well. The important thing I'd say is to have a DIY mentality when starting with Linux

@thefelix7767

5 жыл бұрын

+harish2309 Here's the problem: you find it fun, other people may not. If we're trying to get more people into Linux, which maybe you agree with maybe you don't, then the attitude of saying "if you want to play here you need to know a lot more about computers and their OS than you care to know", especially when Windows and MacOS don't burden them with this, because the point of increasing presence and marketshare means getting it to people who don't necessarily have tech knowledge. Then, the problem is not that they ask basic questions, everybody has basic questions, even if they've been answered. The problem is if you're not going to answer their question, or it annoys you, then just don't answer. Taking the time to go and reply to tell them "RTFM" is useless and counter productive. Why reply at all? It's so simple not to. Maybe they'll find their way into the place where it's already answered, maybe someone will link them to it, maybe someone answers the question directly. However, if you're not going to answer their question, then don't answer anything at all. That even saves your time! This is exactly what he means by toxicity. There's this need to go and belittle a new user for asking something. Why? What keeps people from ignoring the question and just moving on to something they're more interested in answering? If you're requiring any mentality whatsoever in order to use Linux, especially a DIY one, then it'll never grow past a small niche hobby system in the desktop market. I would actually prefer it to grow, even if that means answering the same questions, or even just copying a link and pasting it so they go read an answer provided years ago. I was also not the first student of my teachers. They taught the same class over and over before they got to me, and they did so for the next student, and they got the same questions asked every time. If we want to talk about mentalities, then lets take it the other side: if you don't have the mentality of a teacher, where you'll get asked the same damned noob questions over and over, then just stay away of the noob forums.

true words... i selfe got this expirience on my Linux start.. it end with dont ask the community and rotate myselfe around google to find the point i didnt understand to understand why i got the problem... spending days with fixing problems... i need to say i also learn a lot with this selfe support but on the community.. i give a shit now

Hello, all good, but after seeing you and the other snobs on Big Daddy Linux, What is the difference?

Manuals were written to be read. Retyping information is not a useful activity. You should never ask for help until after you have exhausted every other avenue available to you. www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Just to understand, what exactly do we mean by the linux community?

3:37 *cough* archlinux *cough*

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Goes a long way. You don't have to love everyone you meet, heck, you don't even have to agree with them. But treat them well not expecting the same back.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

CrimSun Very true.

This is a real problem, I am on a few reddits for Linux support. On there new comers come to ask a question and you have people saying vulgar things. These people are not helping the cause. If you don't have anything to help with the question then don't comment. It's sad because that could have been someone that potentially made something revolutionary for linux and they potentially pushed that person away. And the worse people come the OS I use being Arch. People need to embrace newcomers and not push them away.

I do used to play around with Trisquel and it was pretty fun, but now I just use Debian though I try to use free software as much as possible

The open source world is not about personal gain or glory but people live in a world that works that way. Those instincts find an outlet in elitist behaviour.

the Linux community's (not saying as a whole) attitude against some other distros and operating systems, especially Windows is what has permanently driven me away from using Linux. There will be always bunch of hivemind Linux users who trash on Windows to just make their newbies switch to Linux

@SunIsLost

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

100% agree with you. I really don't like the linux community, not all but 80% are toxics. When i was new on linux, i hated linux community and i do it right now too. Learned linux by my self it wasn't easy but yea...

i could spiel for hours about this. i'm just a regular dude with no IT or CS training, and i used to be excited about Linux. but i would never call myself a Linux user. i cannot count the number of times i have been in awe of just how BAD the reception has been for me. it seems like every forum i go to and every time i post a question, the people who are enthusiastic about helping are always out to lunch, and you're left with the dull, barely awake, barely sentient blobs who just vomit out links to man pages or string you along with passive aggressive ;) ended responses. i've come to accept that portions of the Linux community either flat out do not want me in it, or just couldn't care less, and that's okay. unfortunately, those are the people i would have to rely on for help, and i just don't need that negativity in my life.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this!

Toxic people are everywhere - shake it off - it's not a fluffy world out there and no amount of wishing is going to make it so

No real fix for this situation unfortunately. As you can probably tell from my nickname I'm into politics, so I see a lot of pretty extreme behaviour and trolling on politics forums. However I also hang out and contribute to audio and hi-fi forums since that's a big hobby and has been paid work on occasion. Those also have their trolls - people shouting and insulting each other about which make of amplifier or speaker they use...... madness! In the past I've been drawn into such arguments but as I grow older I've learned to just say my piece and move on. That's often the best policy IMO - a single polite answer to a troll leaves them even more exposed and looking riduculus becasue you haven't taken their bait. What upsets me are negative comments aimed at those who you outline in your video as the real contributors to the Linux communirty. Developers in particular devote thousands of hours to building these distros and that deserves a good deal of respect, not bile from trolls. I recall reading a lukewarm review on another channel of Ferren OS and the comments this video attracted were pretty nasty, aimed at the developer. Now I understand the developer is a young lad still at school. Constructive criticism yes, bile and ridicule no - so uncalled for and likely to push young developers away from Linux.

@DistroTube

6 жыл бұрын

I try not to be overly harsh toward anyone working on open source software. Like my distro reviews, even the ones that are kind of a train wreck, I'm not going to go out of my way to beat up on the guy(s) that created it. And if a distro is truly horrendous, I just won't cover it on the channel rather than draw a bunch of negative attention toward that project.

I agree.

What's the point of switching from ubuntu to arch when I can download 15+ desktop environments and hop between them instead of distros and use the effort that'd go toward an arch install to programming a bot in python(linux is cool for having out of the box support for it) that makes my life more fun? :P You're cool, don't stop posting videos.

Exactly, I have gone for help before and I didn't get any help. Since then anything I want to learn I've used you tube videos.