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@shlomokallner3180

6 ай бұрын

Hey @TheLinuxEXP ! I wanted to make use of your coupon for tuxedocomputers but they don't ship to my country! 😭😡😡🤬🤬🤬

@MisticcVFX

6 ай бұрын

keep it up

@lsatenstein

6 ай бұрын

I am for AI as a tool to verify existing code or for new requirements. I am also in favour of only supporting a minimum of 8 core CPUs. 😅

Ubuntu switching to a model where only newer hardware is supported would create a major problem here in Extremadura, Spain. The whole public school and healthcare systems rely on Ubuntu LTS, and the hardware is often older than at least my younger middle-school students. It would, therefore, be easier for both systems to switch to, say, LMDE than buy so much new hardware.

@deloller2452

6 ай бұрын

I think they just will not update to newer version; in Italy the public administration keep using windows xp/7

@joschafinger126

6 ай бұрын

@deloller2452 That would worry me even more -patient and student data on outdated hardware running software that is no longer maintained. Scary.

@deloller2452

6 ай бұрын

@@joschafinger126 on windows definitely scary, on Linux a bit less since the adoption is too low to make hackers interested

@basilcat3111

6 ай бұрын

I brought this up on the Ubuntu discourse, and a canonical employee said not.

@joschafinger126

6 ай бұрын

@@basilcat3111 🤞

I'm usually fine with dropping older hardware support, especially because if you have a very old hardware - you will have better time using a specialized lightweight distro. But a lot of those are based on Ubuntu, so in this case I think a hit will be rather significant.

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it would hurt!

@Tatar_Piano

6 ай бұрын

Debian is there for everybody

@alexnezhynsky9707

6 ай бұрын

What are some of those specialized distros for older hardware?

@moetocafe

6 ай бұрын

many of those "old" processors and hardware are fully capable of running efficiently a modern Linux distro and do NOT need a lightweight "specialized" distro.

@ys1197

6 ай бұрын

Thinkpad x200

2015 seems really recent. There's still a decent amount of tech on eBay and second hand shops that have computers older than 2015. Hell im still using a Latitude D630 from 2008.

@cameronbosch1213

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it may be time to base some distros that were Ubuntu based like Linux Mint, POP!_OS, Tuxedo OS, and KDE Neon on Debian.

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

5 years is about the average. The last time this wasn't so was with Windows XP, which had a decade as the main OS, and was still being used up through 2015. Hell, I still keep my old Gateway laptop around for a more native classic gaming. Has a Pentium 4 at 3 Ghz, but a single core. It has hyperthreading, though. But yeah, it's powerhouse days are long gone. Would have to burn a physical CD to install a live boot since it doesn't recognize the USB ports as a boot option. Anyways, it was a nice, stable run, but not a lot of advancements. Was probably the reason why 64-bit was never implemented until the 2010's because 32 bit was good enough.

@cheebadigga4092

6 ай бұрын

Debian is still here

@1Raptor85

6 ай бұрын

even worse, 2015 is just the processor manufacture date, a lot of computers in the low/midrange, including a lot of cheaper laptops in particular would be lacking the now required extension support up to around 2018-2019. I'm sure with all of ubuntu's spyware they're aware that they'll cut off some user base with this but it really is shockingly recent.

@supercellex4D

6 ай бұрын

People run Windows 11 on CPUs older than Haswell. This is stupid. There goes literally all Ubuntu-based lightweight distros because Ubuntu decided they're building for the minimum spec requirement of Windows. _WINDOWS!_

Ubuntu's decision to remove older hardware than 2015 would kill their market share.

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

If they were only looking to be a retro computer company. Besides that, exactly what market is there in Linux outside of RedHat, Oracle, and a few that actually make computers preinstalled with Linux? Last I checked, Ubuntu, like most Linux distros, are free. So you get what you pay for.

@JB52520

6 ай бұрын

@@JohnCrawford1979 Ubuntu is free. A NEW COMPUTER IS NOT. You've really taken the high road here. Since you hate it when poor people have nice things, would you care to stop by my camper and burn it down? It'll be good for a laugh, just make sure I'm the only one trapped inside.

@compwiz00

6 ай бұрын

@@JohnCrawford1979 2015 is not retro? I cannot think of anything except the latest video games I can't do on my 2013 computer. Struggles with HD video encoding I guess.

The issue with Forkknife on Linux is that Tim Sweeney is a child. He seems to think that the way to greatness is to always do the opposite of what Valve does. He's done it when Valve prohibited blockchain economies, and again when they banned AI shovelware. He's doing the exact same with Linux and expects praise for it.

@atticusherodes6648

6 ай бұрын

yes they also forced you to play one player games, and old games with a steam account when there is no damn reason to be online and i dont know what planet everyone lives on but sometimes the nework is down. lets not forget they shut down accounts and take your fully paid for games away

@mataznuiz

6 ай бұрын

he's the elon musk of gaming

@I_was_a_Bullfrog

6 ай бұрын

Glad I'm not alone in calling it Forknife

@1Raptor85

6 ай бұрын

let's not also forget that this is the guy who just weeks after posting profits in the billions fired half his programmers then complained a week later that they don't have enough programmers to work on anything.

@supernenechi

6 ай бұрын

Lmao

I've been tinkering with computers since 1997 and only ever used windows for gaming, productivity and everything else in between. Since buying the Steam Deck OLED, I have been obsessed with Linux and learning everything I can. I re-purposed an old FX-8350 + RX580 8GB PC build to tinker with various distros and I'm enjoying the experience. Linux is awesome!

@kaz49

6 ай бұрын

Welcome to the Linux community! :D

I think it's too early to drop Sandy Bridge CPUs. Web Browsers are still snappy with Ivy Bridge-E CPUs. Unlike 2011, Quad core are still good compared to P4s in 2011.

What I don’t understand with Fortnite’s decision is that were it not for the anti cheat the game would run fine, and enabling Linux players on the anti cheat is not only doable but easy. They wouldn’t need to port to steam or anything, just to switch the toggle on and rely on Heroic…

@leucome

6 ай бұрын

This is weird. If you think about it they literally make UE5 for Linux. Yeah the whole Unreal Engine is already ported to run natively on Linux. I tried it and it work fine. So they totally have gaming on Linux somewhere in their plan.

@AyaWetts

6 ай бұрын

They want people to stay on the Epic Game store and buy games on Epic games. Steam is a competitor... they don't want to do anything that may make people want to use Steam over Epic.

@jangelelcangry

6 ай бұрын

Because Anticheats nowadays require a lot of privilege.AntiCheat software is like malware.

@Blackfatrat

6 ай бұрын

​@@AyaWetts but... they can probably port this store to linux too in that case.... I mean wouldnt it be better for epic if everyone with a steam deck also bougth epic store games?

@AyaWetts

6 ай бұрын

@@Blackfatrat The main interface and usage of a Steam Deck is all Steam. Getting games running easy in a supported way.... is all Steam. You have to know how to go into desktop mode and get apps and things to use a different store, and then getting the games to work right is all on you. This is too complex for a lot of people, and even people who could figure it out, or follow guides, and do it all themselves.... why would they when its easier to just use Steam? Epic would be hurting their own sales and helping Steam whatever they did in support of the platform.

This story of Ubuntu considering dropping hardware support sounds a lot like what Microsoft did with Windows 11. It’s far less egregious, though, because switching from one Linux distro to another is much easier than switching from Windows, the devices are older, and the end of life for the latest LTS is farther out into the future. Even so, it’s a PR blunder to announce the consideration of this.

Them dropping support for old systems is horrible for me. I've been extremely low on funds lately and my system is actually pretty old now. I wanted to replace my old computer several times but the terrible financial situation I've been has made it impossible. It's sad knowing I might not even be able to use any Ubuntu systems soon.

@docopoper

6 ай бұрын

Debian is almost certainly going to keep supporting old hardware at least. And it's super similar workflow wise. Definitely not the best situation though, yeah.

@pcm298

6 ай бұрын

MX Linux KDE Plasma is a Debian-based Linux with a well-developed GUI like Ubuntu.

I'm still sporting a Sandybridge from the early 2010's, and yes, it does start to feel long in the tooth, especially without an SSD. It's frustrating because I can't really get a faster machine for the foreseeable future, although I want to learn Blender. At least Krita still runs well on this config.

@bobmcbob4399

6 ай бұрын

Yep, my 2500K is still going strong for me. And with the news that my GTX will also be unsupported with Wayland, I can include my GSync monitor with that too. Time for a new PC that I can't afford right now?

@slowjocrow6451

6 ай бұрын

Can you just upgrade to an SSD? That will give you a huge performance boost and doesn't require replacing motherboard etc

@CaptainDangeax

6 ай бұрын

Try LMDE6

@marsimplodation

6 ай бұрын

​@@bobmcbob4399x11 isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future. you can still use it and yea gtx is pretty much unsuported by nvidia on linux, get an rtx or amd if you can and in the mean time continue using x11, it works fine

@marsimplodation

6 ай бұрын

hope it doesn't hinder you too much. have you looked on the used market? you should find a first gen ryzen for pretty cheap and they are still pretty good, using a 1700 as well that and an ssd should be pretty low budget upgrades which should definetly get you started

12:16 "If only we had a few more programmers" - the CEO of a $42 billion company If only you could afford them, yes.

I've finally switched to linux thanks to the wayland support in ubuntu. No more video lag in firefox for me.

Canonical is breaking down one by one every single reason why I recommended Ubuntu

So now we have LXQt, Xfce, Cinnamon, and probably MATE developers actively working on wayland support. I can't believe it. Almost a year ago this seemed impossible.

@paunescueugen2650

6 ай бұрын

@genblob what does wayland support does for linux?

The whole reason I got into Linux was because I found some of my retired dad's old PCs and laptops hanging around. Most were core 2 duo macbooks and an old mac pro 2008 (two cpus with a total of 8 cores) tower. I thought their fates were tied to the recycler and then I took a chance and explored Linux. I was literally astounded at how the old machines came back to life and were snappy enough to do most of the things we do with current pcs. These things can run old games, and with the right video card you can even have the darn thing running a 4k monitor. It is absolutely crazy that we would begin to drop support for machines that can literally run a jellyfin server or other home automation. Shame upon you Sirs! Shame! LOL!

@basilcat3111

6 ай бұрын

A Canonical employee said they are not dropping support for old pc's.

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

There's nothing saying that the distros geared towards older computers can't continue to support their distros. The point of Linux is community. But still, there are tons of old distros from the '90's on up that no longer exist. Sure, the distros claim to be x86 - AMD 64 compatible, but try installing a modern distro onto a 386 era PC. Most distros take up more hard drive and RAM than those PCs originally came out with. My original 486 came out with a 60 Mhz processor with 500 Mb hard drive, and about 8 Mb of RAM. Most modern light weight distros would take up, or exceed the hard drive space, and grind to a halt on the RAM, if you could even install it, which would mean either the hard floppies, CD,-rom or possibly an external Zip drive. Only the CD-rom might have enough disc space to hold the lightest of weight modern distro.

@ziofascistssuck

6 ай бұрын

​@@JohnCrawford1979what a nonsensical analogy. Your 486 comparison is irrelevant -- since back in those days, PC hardware coming out the following year could easily be 2x faster with double the storage or RAM. That hasn't even remotely been the case for the past decade. I'll bet $200 that I can put together a rig running a 2500K from 2011 and another rig running a 7600K from 2017 -- and without looking at the specs or the feature list, using both in day to day tasks, you won't be able to tell them apart. Nobody is asking to make some impossible task of making an existing OS run on anything close to a 486 -- but rather, to keep perfectly comparable and usable hardware out of the landfill.

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

@@ziofascistssuck - You're just mad because your over powered, overclocked gaming system from 10 years ago is becoming an obsolete dinosaur. As it is, back then, it was easy to upgrade, which I did with my 486, so it ran Doom and Quake just fine. You know, the two games Linux still boasts as for why to call it good for gaming even though trying to play 90% of Steam game means going through Wine/Proton hell when you can play them natively on Windows just fine. But that's the thing. Back in the 486 days, we could expect that Amiga or Mac games wouldn't work on an IBM compatible, because the hardware was different, and little to no emulation was available to make it possible. But, you know, if the hardware isn't so different, and hasn't been for over a decade, things like Wine and Proton either should just work, or there really shouldn't be anything in the coding that would prevent them from working out of the box, regardless the OS. And yet here we are with most relevant software, still chained to Microsoft despite even Microsoft trying to mimic Linux/Gnome nowadays. If these computers aren't that different, then why is the compatibility still crap?

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

Heck, I was listening to a veteran programmer on a KZread video talk of his experiences, comparing them to how they were when he started to recently. When he got into programming language, he was talking sudo this and sudo that, and it sounded like routine Linux terminal language. So if they are already programming in something so familiar to Linux, why aren't the games more easily and natively running on Linux in the first place?

Awesome video. If Ubuntu would stop the support of CPUs older than 2015, then I guess we'll see increasing interest in Debian, which is good. Many Linux users chose Linux partially because of its performance on older hardware. And I personally wouldn't be able to run Ubuntu, though I don't want to use it anyways.

@centurion8446

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I have a batch of 4th gen CPU's etc I make use of and Mint runs well which Linux is good for getting life out of. Same with a Lynnfield batch of CPU'S like an i7 860. Disappointed in Ubuntu but I guess they are moving in commercial direction

@Alias_Anybody

6 ай бұрын

@@centurion8446 Allegedly Haswell is the oldest Intel Core generation to support v3, but I could be wrong.

@Stefaninho

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if this is good for anybody. Especially Linux beginners that just escaped from Windows 11 because of the hardware requirements might be p1ss3d. Think of how many distros are based on Ubuntu. I'm not sure if the migration to Debian is so easy for them. Of course, advanced users won't give a sh1t. But I was hoping that the end of Windows 10 support brings more people to Linux. Especially in this situation it is so important to have an easy accessable wide-spread distribution like Ubuntu, that works on older hardware.

@docopoper

6 ай бұрын

@@Stefaninho Yeah true, as much as I prefer Debian to Ubuntu, it's more valuable to convert Windows users to Ubuntu than Ubuntu users to Debian. Debian is still too convoluted to install.

@relsre

6 ай бұрын

@@docopoper TBF Those Windows converts won't have to fiddle with Debian proper, there are more newbie-friendly Debian derivatives that aren't Ubuntu too -- Linux Mint Debian Edition comes to mind.

Honestly, Nick, with you being as popular as you are, it is impressive and heartwarming that you read our comments at all. Heck, you've replied to a couple of mine. You usually don't get KZreadrs replying at all once they get to your channel size.

AI code doesn't sound bad. It sounds pretty cool actually and would probably be very helpful. My only problem with AI is when it's being integrated into things it is not needed at all, like how Microsoft is apparently doing with the Windows Desktop. I've no idea what an "AI-powered Desktop" is and I don't want to see it

@temari2860

6 ай бұрын

In theory it could be a great thing. Obviosly for us, people who are used to using a computer there are more efficient ways, but for most non-tech people having a human-like chat assistant that can just do things when you ask it is extremely useful. It's like if voice assistants could actually hold a human-like conversation and understand what you want and need. That way of computer-human interaction doesn't require any training or understanding, unlike the regular interfaces we use currently. With that said Windows' copilot is nearly worthless as Windows' spaghetti forever-legacy code can't work properly with AI, so the best it can do for you is launch some apps and turn on dark mode. With a proper modern system, an AI-powered desktop will be extremely useful.

@1Raptor85

6 ай бұрын

One thing I'm particularly excited for is many of these newer models are showing to be EXTREMELY good at analyzing existing code and finding incredibly tricky bugs like race conditions and memory leaks.

@dntbther9298

6 ай бұрын

Best AI use case in OSs is accessibility. AIs actual use case for windows ? More data to siphon !

@erufailon4723

6 ай бұрын

AI *generated* code would be problematic because of the uncertain copyright status, but for code analysis and bug hunting it'd be a good tool. That's the kind of menial work that I think AI is most suited for.

@cleavisnowell1240

6 ай бұрын

Enough info on "AI" already to wait for further developments.

Because the steam deck is still a open system you can still install the Epic game launcher with wine. So the 30% cut does not apply because the steam deck let you install other launcher. but hey that may be because they do not want to support their biggest competitor by letting people play it on thier console

@leucome

6 ай бұрын

Yeah Valve being their competitor is most likely the bigger factor here. I mean they literally have UE5 for Linux. So they do have Linux in their strategy somewhere.

@shadowseek27

6 ай бұрын

Yeah all their games work perfectly fine on Linux, hell even their anti cheats (I think epic owns either easy anti cheat or battleye forget which) but they just refuse to toggle the switch to support Linux cause they are mad salty that their own software sucks and no one would use it

Are Sandy Bridge to Broadwell CPUs all v2? Or are just some of them v2? Because either way, that would be an extremely stupid move from the Ubuntu devs. Those are EXACTLY the type of chips that are still running well yet were abandoned by Windows 11. AT LEAST 24.04 LTS has to support them (outlasting Windows 10 by 3 years), otherwise the argument of being an alternative is kind of a joke.

@fadedtimes

6 ай бұрын

v2 starts at Nehalem (1st gen), so before Sandy Bridge (2nd gen). v3 starts at Haswell (4th gen) , so right after Ivy Bridge (3rd gen).

@BlogingLP

6 ай бұрын

​@@fadedtimes So Haswell chips are affected if I understand correctly?

@Alias_Anybody

6 ай бұрын

@@fadedtimes So Haswell is safe or not? Google is so trash these days I literally can't get an answer. But according to Wikipedia it should be?

@jangelelcangry

6 ай бұрын

That's the "Follow The Leader/Android Brag" crap I hate.

Always a good and very informative video from you. Thank you.

Thank you for this video, one thing i wanted to mention is that i think its amazing that your titles arent clickbaity at all, really amazing that even deArrow users dont know how to improve it

At first I didn’t think losing support for older CPUs sounded that bad as long as some distorts supported them, but when you said 2015 I realized I’m running Ubuntu on a machine older than that. I’ve been planning on putting it on other old computers that people have left behind, too.

@basilcat3111

6 ай бұрын

openSUSE supports X64 hardware all the way back to 2003.

@javabeanz8549

6 ай бұрын

My Haswell Refresh CPUs would be dropped if they jump to version 3 as a requirement, as they introduced version 2.

The best way to fix Ubuntu is Debian. :-)

Hi Nick! Thank you for the News! I am one of 'those' that watch YT at the end of the year :P

I get the desire to just draw the line and make the cut at some point for moving to Wayland, but they really should not be dropping Xorg on an LTS release a this stage. It's still too soon. Instead, I'd rather see a compromise where Wayland is installed and set to be the default with Xorg being an option for those who still need it. There are still some things in Wayland that don't work too well for folks that need to be worked out. I get the desire to just make the move, but let this be the last LTS release to support Xorg. That gives everyone a hard deadline to meet for being able to support the next LTS release. As for the CPUs, well there's always the ever reliable Debian to run what Ubuntu breaks. I get why they would want to upgrade to v3, but people are running on older hardware much more often today in spite of Microsoft's BS requirements for Windows 11. It'll suck for all the derivatives of Ubuntu that are optimized for older hardware too, but maybe it's time they re-base off of Debian. If Ubuntu goes through with it, it would not be the first controversial decision they've made (and there has been a LOT).

I still own old hardware running Debian 7.11 I use for personal electronic projects, and I'm switching from Ubuntu based LinuxMint to LMDE6 which fits my need with the softwares in suitable versions

13:59, hey! That's my article! Linux senpai noticed me.

still watching at the end of the year? this is perfect time to catch up on my youtube for me(extended weekend and al).

Epic doesn't have to bring Fortnite to Steam. They just have to bring Epic Launcher to Linux.

Discovered your channel, and love the content about linux. I never knew about the tuxedo computers. I should check them .

Always a good day when a desktop environment announces that they're working on Wayland support.

@imrafiel401

6 ай бұрын

I have been wondering this for months, i am the only one person that wayland does not allow to make video conferences and share screen? Every body talks about how wonderful is wayland but in my experience is not useful at all because of that. Thanks for your response or the response of anybody in this comment section.

@ZirixNightcore

6 ай бұрын

that's an issue of the application that you're using for screensharing, they did not develop for wayland yet@@imrafiel401

@leucome

6 ай бұрын

@@imrafiel401 On many Wayland desktop it work once you get PipeWire. But It is probably not working with all implementation. Pipewire is supposed to handle the capture and video stream from the desktop. As there is a new allegedly secure protocols that need special privileges to capture the screen. Or something like that I dont know all the details.

@bragefuglseth3505

6 ай бұрын

Wayland does support screen sharing, in a much more secure manner than X, but many apps haven’t adapted to it yet.

@j2sk

6 ай бұрын

​@@imrafiel401 it does allow through xdg-desktop-portals and pipewire. So far only zoom and obs studio have proper support. The rest like discord you would need to screenshare through either firefox or chromium browser. Also if you still on >3yr old version of wayland, portals and pipewire, screenshare support might be lacking. Theres also xwaylandvideobridge for kde/hyprland that allows xwayland/x apps to screenshare under wayland

About LXQt and Wayland: They support Wayland (and X11) by making the user choose a window manager with a few support (some tiling some stacking).

Great stuff as always. I would love to hear your opinion of Anytype. You said in this video that you are using it but thinking of switching back to Planify.I switched from notion well I'm switching trying to switch from a mix of notion and obsidian to any type and I really like it. However, I don't necessarily like the file structure as you don't see the markdown files like you do in obsidian. However I love notion but you know can't really trust it's securely. Anyway, I'll stop myself from telling the whole long line of events. But it'd be cool to see a video of you talking about Anytype and what you think about its security and overall file structures and Whatnot. Just an idea for a video I'd watch. I mean I'd probably watch any video come out with anyways but still.

There's a Talos Principle sequel?! Well shit. I know what to add to the very top of my to-play list.

Ubuntu doing a windows move there 😂

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

A Little bit, yeah!

@janluofficial

6 ай бұрын

they seem pretty soft about it tho, only dropping below 2015... unlike microsoft

@Bl4ckGuy

6 ай бұрын

@@janluofficial Well Microsoft had originally dropped support for 7th gen and older CPUs, 7th gen was released in 2016 so basically just a year's difference. Not supporting MS tho.

@JohnCrawford1979

6 ай бұрын

Windows is dropping support of Windows 8.1, which launched in 2013. If Windows was doing like Ubuntu, they would be dropping support for Windows 10, which came out in 2015. So far, 10 is still supported. That means Ubunto is acting worse than Microsoft in this regard.

@__goat__

6 ай бұрын

​@JohnCrawford1979 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS will be supported until 2032 and nothing has been decided yet, so no, they are not.

I think the ubuntu decision to drop CPUs before 2015 seems a little much, heck, i used ubuntu on a 5th gen core i5 (which i believe is 2014). If it was something older, like core 2 duo level, then i guess thats understandable, but 2015? ehh??

On the topic of fortnite and Linux, doesn't the auntie cheat that fortnite uses have a Linux compatible version, which means they're just being spiteful by not enabling Linux support on the anticheet which would allow Linux gamers to run it with wine

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

Yep, it’s literally one click and shipping an extra library

@leonius

6 ай бұрын

"auntie cheat" not gonna lie, I laughed a bit at that Now, about the anticheat being compatible with Linux, it's a one click away for it to be enabled for Linux users for fortnite, so it's just the typical bs companies uses to not support something they don't want And, funny enough, their anticheat servers, the one that the game anticheat communicates to do it's job of being an anticheat, runs on Linux, now if thats not only ironic and hipocrite, I don't know what it is The same can be said about destiny 2 not wanting to support Linux since they have (had?) a versions of the game for Linux, claiming "Linux is for cheaters" or some bs like that, but I think they have more important things to care about now other than Linux

@Its-Just-Zip

6 ай бұрын

@@leonius blame Google's voice typing... Occasionally it's funny, other times it makes no sense

Very nice synopsis of the Linus Torvalds' views on future of Linux. Also appreciated your salient thoughts on the hardware migration and needed support for legacy systems.

Epic could even say use Heroic Launcher instead of Steam to save those 30%. But its harder to setup and they would have acknowledge its existence.

wow, that is sad news about Ubuntu possibly dropping support for 2015 CPUs and older. I just build my Linux Mint rig from used/new parts in October of 2021. I got a Xeon kit that came with a Kllisre x79 mobo + e5-2650 v2 xeon and 4 sticks of 4gb ddr3-1333 ecc ram. Was hoping not to have to build a Linux mint rig again for like 5+ years.

Idk about 2015 as a hardware cutoff lol. That's like the day before yesterday in terms of what sort of systems should be able to run Ubuntu

Regarding microtransactions: They dont have to put the game on Steam. Either port their own launcher and let it run om the deck or let people use it with wine and Heroic. They wouldnt have to pay the share to Valve.

I hope I am not exhausting you with saying you're doing great videos! 😊

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I always love hearing that 😁

The favorite video of the week!

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

2015 is really recent. AVX came out and was available on 2011 Sandy Bridge….

Seems that many people read the click-bait video title, but didn't listen to the actual commentary on the CPU support level discussion. The actual content of the discussion is "is there any benefit to doing this", and presenting it like this title did - and then giving encouraging replies to comments saying it's a "Windows move" - simply creates an environment that discourages contributors from openly sharing exploration like this.

Now I think the rust addition to the kernel wasn't a bad thing at all

Not quite ago, when Gnome and KDE started doing Wayland, they had to implement display into kwin or mutter from the ground up. Nowadays, there are many libraries and ready modules that smaller projects can hook into to make Wayland work. This is why they can make it work so fast, and this is why it finally became a possibility for them. This part of Wayland is quickly improving.

Team Linux Mint should keep an eye on Ubuntu's new move . Most of their user base is from windows migrants & older pc/laptop folks . For this type situation i think LM team developed LMDE 😊

I do want to wish you a Merry Christmas, and a happy and healthy New Year. And tender Thanks for a very good year in 2023.

My dad runs Mint on a very old PC. I can't be sure of age, but I think it is from early Windows7 era or even older one, so it could have 15 to even 20 years. I just added SSD to it, and it runs perfectly for basic stuff. I don't need to replace it. If Ubuntu and Mint lost the ability to support it, I would have to move it to distro which would.

@Barood88

5 ай бұрын

What kernel version your using on your old pc? I get kernel panic errors when i upgrade to kernel 5.15 on my pc from 2010. They dropping support is devastating news.

@michadybczak4862

5 ай бұрын

@Barood88 I'm using kernel that Mint provides and have no issues. I upgraded it to the newest Mint release.

@Barood88

5 ай бұрын

@@michadybczak4862 okay thanks for the info. I will try mint this time and see if it works.

@Barood88

5 ай бұрын

@@michadybczak4862Thanks. I should give it an another try using linux mint this time. Ubuntu do not boots and after installing kernel panic occurs. Maybe it do not works with legacy only bios.

@michadybczak4862

5 ай бұрын

@@Barood88 I guess it depends on hardware. Yours must be too old or too obscure. You can also try Debian or Debian based Mint.

Proton is magic. and every person who has worked on it are magicians. tbh linux is great for like 95 percent of the games, it's just unfortunate that the last 5 percent of games are games that hurt linux comptability

So LM -> LMDE on my 4790K beast. Oh well.

Seems like the Mint devs were right about LMDE

I wonder if wine wayland will improve frametimes 🤔

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

Might do, yeah!

@st0rmrider

6 ай бұрын

​@@TheLinuxEXPno, no, you need to use words starting with W: Wine Wayland will work wonderfully!

Love your videos Nick. I've just had random issues with Linux in the past. XFCE randomly forgetting my panels and Whisker Menu forgetting my favorites KDE randomly crashing etc.. Linux itself is solid, the DEs I've tried have been buggy as hell.

@sweetsweetkhajoor

6 ай бұрын

which linux are you using bruv i never faced this b4

I really find that linux is better than windows for gaming! I just switched to nobara linux an got a pretty big fps boost (first??)

@Bunuffin

6 ай бұрын

welp windows is a bloated carcass ready to explode... When Wayland is supported by wine expect another boos in performance

@lukasheiligenbrunner2272

6 ай бұрын

@@Bunuffin Not really, xwayland is basically just passing the framebuffer and thats it. Maybe a little, but not significant...

@detecta

6 ай бұрын

i have same or mildly less fps still would say its a better experience though

I'm surprised they aren't able to get more maintainers, but I'm not surprised that they have trouble reaching consensus.

Currently a KDE user but these cosmic updates have me excited to try something different for the first time in years.

Dropping older hardware support : As long as major fixes and upgrades and security patches, get quickly and correctly backported to the older kernels. For example, let's say I have an i7 2600, which I'm happy with, but kernels with a version beyond 6.6.6 (the number of the beast) won't run on it. So I don't get any updates or future development? So when we find a new permutation of side channel next year, and both microcode and the kernel need to be updated to mitigate that, will that update be backported to the 6.4 kernel I have to run? The way things stand at the moment, updates like that get backported to older kernels as a normal thing. That's good. So ~ what happens when major parts of the Linux kernel depend on AI code which requires a neural network module to run? Or even a Trusted Computing Module? What happens when my computer can't boot without the most recent 300MB Intel mirco-code that's in binary form and I can't read it? Conceptually, there's no change, because I don't go and download the kernel source code every update and read through it with my own eyes anyway. Nor do I usually use the checksum to confirm no man-in-the-middle has fiddled with my copy of the kernel. The thing is, I could do that, if I was motivated. There is provision for some anal train-spotter to do that, and that transparency is at the heart of the Open Source movement. Binary blob micro code erodes that. Proprietary drivers from nVidia erode that. Use of and dependence on 'hardware features' like Trusted Compute and AI Tensor Core packages, erode that. I'm not saying Linux should stand still and not accept any new stuff, (personally, I'm itching to see a kernel that's written mostly in Rust.) I'm saying that as we move forward, we should not forget the things that gave us success in the first place. We should be wary of new developments which compromise those virtues. One of the 'virtues' of Linux has been, that it generally works just fine on hardware that's at least 7 or 8 years old, often older than that.

@11:45 fully agreed. Linux numbers are in a good place now even vs MacOS when it comes to all things gaming, so this is just Epic being Epic. That said, I'll most definitely keep this in mind when it comes to which game companies I support - or do not support in the future. You can guess where Epic is on my list right now after that statement. The day will come when Linux gains even more momentum than it already has and when that day comes, as a gamer I'll remind myself who supported the cause and who didn't.

I’m excited for the future of Linux can’t wait for the time where we don’t have to worry if the software or drivers we use support Linux or not

I hope that Canonical won’t drop ARMv7 yet for Ubuntu. I just ported the Ubuntu 24.04 beta to a really old ARMv7 ChromeBook and all of the hardware works. Despite the age of the hardware, Gnome runs pretty well. It even runs the latest 6.7-rc5 mainline kernel.

I have some servers that use Ubuntu which i'd have to move to Debian, what a pain if this bs will pass through.

Linux would become really great if all the devs working on creating different distro spins would come together to create a stable distro with all bells and whistles like supporting windows apps like adobe and ms office. Then they can go and create their distro spins based on this new stable distro.

Danke!

I don't think requiring x86-64-v3 is a good idea. The Intel low power lineup only received the v3 instruction set in 2021, so laptops and tablets that have a Celeron N4000 would be incompatible with Ubuntu even though they can run Windows 11.

I had to do a double take: what are "15-minute Plasma bugs"???

@clankfish

6 ай бұрын

bugs that can be easily encountered within 15 minutes of basic usage in plasma

Unrelated to the video but... Aye, the Tuxedo Cube you showed uses the same case as I have lol. Cool case, but if you have HDDs it's kinda a pain to fit power connectors, and also it is not designed to house a 3-fan GPU, so it's running kinda hot (I've seen 83C in games, Asrock 6700 XT Challenger Pro)

Good video.

I use Ubuntu Server 22.04 on a cheap 2011 Atom, because RHEL 9 already dropped support for CPUs that don't adhere to at least x86_64v2 specs, they should still offer 24.04 as an LTS for older CPUs.

As an Intel Core i5 user, i don't think that dropping support for CPUs made before 2015 is a good idea on Canonical's part, of course I don't use Ubuntu, however I fear a decision like that would incentivize the Fedora maintainers to do the same.

I sympathize with you. Some people just like to complain. Don.t let it get you down Linus Torvalds is completely correct. AI is not new. I like linux..I like the choices offered. I use it every day. It looks like the internet has made many things possible. Some good, like Free and OS software. Some bad, like sour opinions.

Just want to make your KZread comments a little bit less toxic. You do an amazing job; please keep it up.

Speaking on Ubuntu; would it be possible for canonical (I think) to continue a v2 and forge ahead with v3 so as to meet the use-case people usually have with older PC's? Don't get me wrong here I'm all for the v3 route.

Money has been an issue, so I've not updated anything for a little bit. My current machine runs fine with a AMD 5900x, a Radeon RX 6900xt (First upgrade since an 1600x with a GTX 1060 what was it 6gb?) Anyway, and I've been running it for awhile with my Linux box, running steam and wine. I have a Steelseries controller, and a logictech trackmarble and a wave wireless wave keyboard, or a backlit gaming LED no name really I toss up occasionally. Running Fedora 39 now, was 36 for awhile now, and I have upgraded it for a long, long time. The windows box is an old 1800x that I still play a few games on occasionally, but I've only fired it up for a couple days at a time in well over a year.

Open Source does not mean that a project will forever support your hardware. What it means is that the software can never be taken away from you. The source is freely available so other like-minded individuals can maintain and improve it if they see fit. If one group of people no longer wants to support it you can find another group who will. If they can't, then their museums CPUs will continue to run museum distros under museums OSs and they will be fine.

Theoretically Epic does not need to release Fortnite on Steam they could also make version of their game launcher for Linux. That could also bring a bit more competition in Linux gaming.

@sweetsweetkhajoor

6 ай бұрын

isnt there heroic games launcher

It's becoming really hard to use/like Ubuntu...

Dropping older CPUs would limit the absolut number of linux machines, making it loose ground on the OS marketshare.

14:18 wait, did someone just say "Talos Principle II"?

Dropping legacy desktop CPUs used in tiny numbers makes sense for Ubuntu. Just run another distro if needed. Not every distro need support every piece of hardware. Debian is easy to use and easy to install at this point, and don't forget Slakware.

For once, I can actually see where Ubuntu/Conical is coming from. However, one the advantages of Linux is the ability to breathe new life into 20 year old computers. While they'd never be able play modern games, and likely would have problems with Wayland, there plenty of other reasons to use them. I have an old office computer (not quite that old), that I use specifically for my budgeting needs and paying most of my bills. That's all I use it for and it runs Pop-OS.

I have a laptop from 2010, the only thing I replaced was the battery and the hdd for a sdd and it still works great. It's not fast, but still works and great for the kids, but I don't know what to expect when Ubuntu is dropping older hardware, how will effect that the rest of the "community".

I have both an AMD FX-8350 and a refreshed FX-8370 workstations... Both are fitted with AMD RX-580 4GB GPUs. They are my kid's computers and they are great computers for 1080p gaming and for school... Sources are unclear if they support the newer AVX extensions... A change to Ubuntu's "level" might force me to replace perfectly good - and performing - hardware... I will check this out tonight to make sure...

Does anyone have a link to that app called "Dagger"? @11:03

if wayland worked better with nvidia id be more on board, until then I have to use x

Hey Nick, I've been meaning to ask, why is Squarespace one of your sponsors if they're not FOSS or on Linux natively?

@Rafael-Morais

6 ай бұрын

Because they pay Nick's work? 😅

@vilian9185

6 ай бұрын

because he has bills to pay

@cameronbosch1213

6 ай бұрын

@@vilian9185 Yes, but when Thunderbird, TuxCare, and Safing were sponsors that were FOSS and/or Linux based, it kind of feels out of place...

@TheLinuxEXP

6 ай бұрын

I try to work with sponsors that are in the FOSS space, but I do like what Squarespace is doing, and they’re a solid company, so they have their place here as well :)

@cameronbosch1213

6 ай бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP Oh, okay, thanks for the comment Nick!

00:00 just for myself so I can spam it xD

as for cpus, linux used to run on powerpc cpu and of course the 32 bit versions are being phased out so limiting the cpus as they get b3etter will make the sysems more stable

I'm indifferent about a lot of the stuff Canonical does, but I draw the line at dropping support for older CPUs which can support flavors like Xubuntu or Lubuntu extremely well.

I don't see why they couldn't just offer the different kernel options during install or split them into different .iso files?

Epic (and gog and the others) could just release launchers for linux

@LarixusSnydes

6 ай бұрын

They could. However I'm steering clear of any malware possible, so I will respectfully decline installing this on my system. I don't trust the launcher as far as I can throw Tim Sweeny.

If Ubuntu goes ahead with this plan, would Tuxedo still provide patches to work with older hardware? That would seem to fall under their practice model, but I don't know how much of a nightmare that would be for them.

@npgoalkeeper

6 ай бұрын

Probably not, seeing as though it’d mean recompiling every single package Ubuntu offers in their official repos

Places like Brazil still have older CPU being sold on prebuilt PCs to this day. CPUs like Core i5 from the very first generation. This will have a considerable affect here.

I still use a 486DX, I see no reason to upgrade just yet.

I know the struggle of taking to people,I was mod in My phone's community, there were so much to handle.