Brexiteers: "This isn't the brexit I voted for!" Remainers: "This is exactly the brexit I voted against."

@volspirus5407

6 ай бұрын

Young Adults who never got to vote due to not being 18: "we never got to vote for our future"

@eveb.6568

6 ай бұрын

@@volspirus5407 Old farts in 2016 who have died by now/will die soon: 'I voted leave because I remember the old days'.

@Pierrick2009

6 ай бұрын

Leave voters 2016: “EU workers are stealing our jobs!” Leave voters 2023: not applying for the jobs no longer stolen by EU workers.

@SirAntoniousBlock

6 ай бұрын

@@eveb.6568 I suggest you look at the many young people who were too lazy or stupid to bother to vote before criticising those who did vote in their perceived interests.

@brianbarcroft9167

6 ай бұрын

Yes and we'll make it work by making it harder, more unworkable. You know it makes sense.

In the end we can actually thank the British people. The EU was in some sort of a crisis. There were many resentments against the EU in many member states which resulted in a large number of anti-EU parties and movements. Now that the Brexit experiment has shown its results, initiatives for leaving are at an all time low.

@21preend42

6 ай бұрын

And so whats are those results ? as an EU immigrant in the UK, since Brexit absolutely nothing changed.

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

@@21preend42Euroscepticism has changed. People don't want to leave the EU, they want to change it from within. Anti EU sentiment is in decline in some countries because of Brexit.

@CarlosSzachnowski

6 ай бұрын

​@21preend42 As another Eu immigrant that lives in the UK. A lot has changed. Prices on a lot of Eu to Uk imports are at an all time high. Even general products that are manufactured in the UK but with Eu materials were made to have higher costs. If you try argue its due to covid, or other issues, it wasn't. Mainly due to all of these issues occurring much after we left the Eu. TL;DR Leaving the Eu decreased trade, made existing trade more expensive and so resulted in a worsened living crisis.

@21preend42

6 ай бұрын

What are those products you are talking about exactly, the UK imports a lot of products from outside EU such as China. The UK also has a lot of its own products for supermarkets. And I have failed to see a dramatic increase in prices. Also I've checked a bit online and it seems UK has trade deal with EU "Agreement (TCA) provisionally entered into force on 1 May 2021 and provides for zero tariffs and zero quotas on all trade of EU and UK goods that comply with the appropriate rules of origin." Inflation also has a huge role both in UK and EU, It is the main factor why prices in UK increase BUT also in the EU, by a lot. Right now I am in Romania, and prices here are way way higher than in UK for pretty much anything. @@CarlosSzachnowski

@languagetimothy9165

6 ай бұрын

​@@CarlosSzachnowskiFor goodness sake, change the record and move on.

Every time I travel through an EU airport, there’s always a sign right before passport control with a big Union Jack reminding British passport holders that they must stand in the "All Other Passports" line....There’s always at least one Brit who mistakenly goes into the EU line only to be reminded to wait with all the rest of us....the scowls on their faces are priceless! LOL!😅

@thecursed01

6 ай бұрын

tell them to just say "me refugee" or "want asylum" gets them through quicker, gets free money and as a bonus for the rowdy brits, let's you get away with probation for raping underage girls. at least in germany

@thecursed01

6 ай бұрын

@@hereward3411 wait...not standing patiently in the correct lane? ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE BRITISH??? XD

@attilaabonyi8879

6 ай бұрын

They have been in the union for so long that they have forgotten what they voted for in 2016.

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

​@@thecursed01Simp.

@thecursed01

6 ай бұрын

@RazorMouth not simping for eu propaganda is simp?

As a Northern Irish unionist who voted to remain in EU, all i can say is that Brexit has accelerated a united Ireland. I believe it will happen in my lifetime now. As for the rest of the UK,i honestly dont know what the future holds,i guess it might depend on our Scottish cousins deciding where their future lies.

@SirAntoniousBlock

6 ай бұрын

Northern Ireland as usual is treated as a special case, even now you continue to enjoy many of the benefits of EU membership, access to the SM, access to an EU passport, access to Erasmus etc. I think that it's unfair that you can't share fully in the wonderful brexit "benefits" that the rest of the UK "enjoys", it might concentrate your minds more as to the future direction you'd want to take.

@darnellbiggumsthe9th658

6 ай бұрын

as a northern nationalist, i hope you will begin to realise the benefits to unity and to realise that an all ireland encompassing you and your community can and will work for the betterment of us all🙏🏻

@chesterdonnelly1212

6 ай бұрын

This is my perspective as an Englishman. I don't really consider Northern Ireland to be a country. It's part of Ireland, but it was created as a compromise to avoid civil war. It worked to an extent. But I don't think Westminster has ever done a good job of governing Ireland or Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not capable of governing itself. If the people of Northern Ireland decide they would rather be governed from Dublin and Brussels I would have no problem with that. It would probably make things easier for the British government because they could just deal directly with the Irish government. The only thing I would want is for Ireland to join the Commonwealth or for Northern Ireland to stay as a part of the Commonwealth.

@kompatybilijny9348

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, UK is too undemocratic to ever allow Scotland to leave. They blocked the referendum to leave on a bogus claim about a law that is both hundreds of years old and vague enough to allow them to postpone everything basically indefinitely.

@MENSA.lady2

6 ай бұрын

I have no problem with a united Ireland but I doubt the republic will leave the EU and become part of the UK.

(Lazy) re-post: as a EU citizen, I'm honestly on the fence about the UK becoming a member of the EU again. I understand that almost half of the UK wanted to stay, and are very sad about what happened. But what's also noticeable in the discussion on platforms like these, is that the only reason UK citizens (seemingly?) want to return is the UK's economic downfall after Brexit. If Brexit had been an economic success, would we be having this 'rejoin' conversation? I don't think so. For most UK citizens, (it seems like) it's not about the EU's goal of 'an ever closer union between the peoples of Europe', it's not about reconnecting with fellow Europeans whose's values you share. It's all about the money, about GDP loss, about less opportunities. And maybe that's logical! But heartwarming it's not. What's also bothering me: the exceptionalism and entitlement (triggering words, I'm aware) that even ardent Remainers still display while discussing applying for membership again. It's almost immediately about getting a better deal, opting out of having to take the Euro, stating the UK is a very large economy, the EU really needs us and would be foolish to say no. Rich, large army, etc. Some are also seemingly very unaware about the application process. Or think that joining the Single Market is also a viable and easy option, without being an EU member. "We'll just negotiate, we're important, we're needed. Because we're British!" This is not the case . The EU can do without the UK. And will continue to do so if this arrogant attitude will surface during a hypothetical future application.

@RealMash

6 ай бұрын

...and they offer no real benefit for the EU...at the moment the UK hemorrhages companies, business, money, scientists to the EU-why would the EU stem this from someone who has explicitly threatened (see Ireland and civil war, see tiger nation at the thames) the EU and thus must be treated as an enemy state?

@WigSplitters

6 ай бұрын

well said, only thing is that (i assume) most people voted for Brexit partially due to the current economy and its effect at that time, granted it wasn't that bad. And i have no issue with someone who reverts their choice if its not what they initially wanted, COVID was also terribly timed to coincide, and i guess that has contrived the worst Brexit we could've gotten.

@riiitch

6 ай бұрын

Very good and fair points, and as a Briton the exceptionalism is utter cringe. That said, the UK was one of the powerhouses in the EU, we can’t deny that. But I think you’re right, the EU can do without the UK. The UK also doesn’t *need* to be in either, we’ll do just okay, but in an increasingly multi polar world, we’d have had more clout being inside the EU. Somewhat ironically, those who voted Brexit because they thought the UK was somehow exceptional, made us less important in the world.

@mihangelap-williams9871

6 ай бұрын

How about this. "only if the UK ends and joins as independent nations" the UK is corrupt and needs ending

@Sjb-on5xt

6 ай бұрын

NET Zero policies adopted before the UK left the EU are to blame for most of the economic carnage since 2008. As soon as these suicidal policies are dropped the better.

Unlikely for at least twenty years. After all, UK reentry depends on all member states approving.

@stephenfarthing3819

6 ай бұрын

One very distinct and disturbing possibility! And perhaps slightly longer than that!

@darren253

6 ай бұрын

England/Wales NO. But Scotland, and maybe Northern Ireland yes. As Scotland and Ireland voted to stay and their will was ignored. The end of the Union is nearer than people in England expect.

@genghisthegreat2034

6 ай бұрын

​@@darren253 Ireland is in the EU, has been since 1973.

@EnglishScripter

6 ай бұрын

Scottish Independence party is polling lower than ever before.@@darren253

@mikes5637

6 ай бұрын

​@@genghisthegreat2034 Not Northern Ireland.

....anyone really believe they ever left ? Kept same laws, same payments, same faces in office and zero control over borders.....

@SenorKristobbalVLog

6 ай бұрын

They had some level of control of their borders, now they don't

No. Spain will veto the UK rejoining until they get Gibraltar back.

@dulljumbo4321

6 ай бұрын

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@gustavmeyrink_2.0

6 ай бұрын

@@dulljumbo4321 !

@pjhgerlach

6 ай бұрын

Veto is something the EU has to abolish as it is not democratic.

@TheMrCos1

6 ай бұрын

Spain explicitly asked for the gibraltar border to be left out of the brexit discussion because the treaty of Utrech of 1713 could beacome a problem.

@pjhgerlach

6 ай бұрын

@@TheMrCos1 'Utrecht' Sorry. As a Dutchman born in Utrecht I just had to respond. 😂

Frankly. as it is now it seems that Britain serves EU's interests better by staying out of it. Might be difficult to convince them otherwise.

UK: *applies* Spain: this is my moment 😈🇬🇮

@nfzed

6 ай бұрын

Greece might also want to have a word. Any french president would love to emulate Charles de Gaulle in order to garner some Votes by taking cheap shots at the uk

@romain3156

5 ай бұрын

Well any french president would like to have a talk about fishing rights. The De Gaulle thing is more of a bonus really but not where our business lies. Meanwhile... *Ireland enters the chat, looks at Spain and be like* 'Hold my pint'

Interesting how you excluded Luxembourg from the Schengen area at 6:18, despite the Schengen agreement and convention having been signed in Schengen, a luxembourgish village. Luxembourg is literally one of the founders of the Schengen area. You also excluded us from the Euro Zone at 6:22, despite us also being a founding member. Otherwise, good video and greetings from Luxembourg :)

@hydra7427

6 ай бұрын

This would imply Luxembourg being a country, when it is a duchy. :)

@shadowsamurai4074

6 ай бұрын

What is that Luxemburg you speak of?

@counterleo

6 ай бұрын

Is the Luxembourg in the room with us right now?

@larryc1616

5 ай бұрын

What is Luxembourg?

Even if the UK would like to rejoin the EU, any other members could veto it. Some countries have even subjected new adhesion to referendums. This means, the UK destiny in or outside of the EU does not fully depend on its population.

@shakiMiki

6 ай бұрын

That's a baseless assertion. And shows zero understanding of how the UK was seen by other members. UK had strong allies: Netherlands, Sweden almost all of the East & Central Europe countries whose membership UK championed when France & Germany were driving for deeper rather than wider. Moreover France & Germany are of the view, EU is weaker without the membership of the UK who did so much to shape it. EU members need to be convinced it will not be a disruptive member, and none of the previous exemptions & exceptions. Euro membership as a goal may be a conditions. More likely it will become like Norway & Switzerland not full member, but join Single Market, Customs Union & have now say on the rules it will have to follow. Oh & why really UK left EU, like Switzerland has had to,. sign up to transparency rules for the financial affairs of the super rich.

@user-mg3xr9tz7m

6 ай бұрын

@@shakiMikiget a brain. Seems you Brexiteers lack one

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

@@shakiMiki "all would veto" might be an exaggeration but so is your assertion of how loved the UK was in the EU. It only takes one country to veto. To give only one example of many: when much of London's banking and finance sector decamps to EU cities: there will be an incentive to block the UK "rejoining" as this might destabilise the sector.

@ciaranirvine

6 ай бұрын

@@shakiMiki You have to be kidding, even traditionally pro-British countries like the Netherlands and Portugal are now glad that the Brits and their endless stirring up of squabbles and endless foot-dragging and quibbling have been removed. The entire EU functions much more smoothly without Britain's constantly disruptive presence. And many EU countries have benefited from Brexit as business and investment flees the UK. Nobody wants them back, and after all their insults and threats I'd personally be annoyed if the Irish government DIDN'T veto their application.

@goodmusic4673

6 ай бұрын

​@@shakiMikinobody wants the UK anymore. Weak,stupid,annoying nobody needs someone like that

When the result of the referendum was announced my first reaction was "what on earth are they going to do about Northern Ireland?" It still is an unsatisfactory situation.

@kelvynward7867

6 ай бұрын

There was no reason for Northern Ireland to ever be an issue. We have had an agreement with the Republic that predates the EU. The EU and Remainers were just weaponising the border to slow things down. The UK position was the same as its original agreement with the Republic of 'a border exists, but we won't enforce it or do much about it.' The Republic had the same position as the UK.

@gyderian9435

6 ай бұрын

​@@kelvynward7867it is a problem nowdays since the EU has higher standards, can't just let anything in

@zorrodm

5 ай бұрын

​@@gyderian9435 do you have a specific example of something that the EU has higher standards than the UK? If you don't, you're lying. Which is typical of you Remoaners.

@mikeblatzheim2797

3 ай бұрын

​@@kelvynward7867 Ironic then, that the UK was, and still is so picky about its borders, but whe the EU is set to enforce an exterior border to protect the flow of people and goods, you collectively get your knickers in a twist.

As a Canadian, I have great respect for Britain but I have always believed that Brexit was a huge social and economic blunder. RS. Canada

@rebeccanoble6797

6 ай бұрын

Nobody cares what you "believe". We voted to sack the EU. Good riddance to it.

@rebeccanoble6797

6 ай бұрын

The EU is a collosal failure. It's bankrupt.

@johnnettleton1240

6 ай бұрын

With respect I believe Canada should split into Anglo Saxon and French but allow France to have some controls over the French ex colonies. Then you may change your blinkered views

@rebeccanoble6797

6 ай бұрын

n1240 it's astonishing how many anti-brexiters are neither uk residents nor voters. It never seems to occur to them that uk domestic affairs are none of their business. The "polls" anti brexiters cite, now, are riddled with non uk anti brexiters and fake "bregretters".

@lesleywillis6177

3 ай бұрын

Richard look into what the EU was, and what it is becoming. Ask yourself whether you would want to trade with the USA if they insisted that they control your agricultural policy, immigration policy, fish your waters,make your laws, set taxes. They also have plans to completely govern your country and get rid of Canadian parliament and consume your armed forces into theirs. You would need to get rid of your currency. They insist on a new anthem and fly their hideous flag over your country. On top of that they charge you huge amounts annually for the privilege. Still think it was a blunder? I’m all for free trade but this trade was not free, it cost us WAY too much!

As a 21 year old Brit, who wasn’t old enough to vote in 2016, every single fellow Brit I know wants to rejoin, but we’ll have to wait for the old folks to leave power and maybe in 20 years we can rejoin, not anytime soon 😢🇬🇧🇪🇺❤️

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

It is people like you I feel most sorry for. I hope you do get to rejoin.

@Equinoxliveson

6 ай бұрын

So you want to work till your 67 to feed the EU .

@ruairievans

6 ай бұрын

People live for longer these days and just because you're young doesn't mean you won't die.

@an04ker

6 ай бұрын

You need to get out of your bubble.

@86samsky

6 ай бұрын

Well Cameron said a once in a generation vote. So I plan to hold them to that. Already 8 years done (almost) so say 20 years to a generation we are halfway there.

Hardly anyone is really keen on the UK returning to the EU - not in the EU and not in the UK. To be honest, I don't believe that Brexit or the United Kingdom plays an important role in the thoughts of any European. Perhaps it is better to focus on other issues at hand. Brexit is old news.

@GrimReaperNegi

6 ай бұрын

From my understanding the big problem with both governments, is leadership. Atleast from what I can see from my American point of view, and Sargon's statements.

@Robbiewa-bg4lu

6 ай бұрын

Spot on. The EU have moved on. And I think the vast majority of British people whether they voted Leave(Like I did)or Remain have moved on. As have the people in Europe itself. And as you rightly say there are other issues at hand and Brexit is old news.

@mildlydispleased3221

6 ай бұрын

​@Robbiewa-bg4lu Mate, over 60% of people want to rejoin the EU according to some polls and we are suffering historic losses of businesses and shortages in supermarkets. The government is paying companies like Tata billions to choose us over the EU. You will be dead in 20-30 years, leaving damage behind, thanks for fucking up the country's future.

@jeffsmith3392

6 ай бұрын

As a staunch Brexiteer I agree. Leave things as they are.

@Robbiewa-bg4lu

6 ай бұрын

@@jeffsmith3392 Likewise. Leave things be.

I voted remain to prevent EXACTLY what’s happening to us right now.

@JwayT

6 ай бұрын

Course you did.

@Scout-nj7xj

6 ай бұрын

Would you care to elaborate? Thought not.

@ice-cp2vz

6 ай бұрын

Stop watching the BBC

@Robbie-sv6wq

6 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? The EU IS In a colossal mess????

@InnuendoXP

6 ай бұрын

@@Scout-nj7xjwould YOU care to elaborate? Am I giving you the right to reply? Thought not.

There might be another factor in play that might force political parties to consider to rejoin the EU - dissolution. Northern Ireland might ask for reunification with Ireland if they'll keep suffering from Brexit, especially when they were voting against it. If N.I leaves the union, then expect same with Scotland which also was voting in favor of staying. So to avoid this, political parties might push for EU membership again.

@willbentley8856

6 ай бұрын

Is that why support for Scottish independence has been consistently declining for three years now and the SNP is set to lose half of its westminster seats in next year's election?

@riiitch

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I think you’re wrong. Speak to your average Brexit supporter and they really don’t care about Northern Ireland. Therefore this would get reflected in policy. The Conservative and Unionist party are that addicted to power that I do believe they’d throw NI under the bus to remain outside the EU. That said, there is a small majority in support of rejoining. So some other party would need to seize upon that, along with no more movement away from EU laws and regulations, and, of course, the EU actually wanting the UK back

@mark63424able

6 ай бұрын

I completely agree and this is a factor that is rarely talked about because at the moment the English public don't see it as a threat. But if things continue as they are then calls for independence will become louder. I think Irish reunification or Scottish independence would be large enough triggers to turn the current public sentiment from simply regretting Brexit to actually calling for its reversal. That might just be what it takes sadly

@darnellbiggumsthe9th658

6 ай бұрын

it’s not even a matter “if” NI leaves the union it’s a matter of when considering nationalists outnumber unionists now

@vullings1968

6 ай бұрын

​@@mark63424ableBut will the possibility of Irish reunification or Scottish independence be an incentive for EU to make a rejoin more easy?

Europe has not forgotten the culture war, the hostilities, the xenophobia, the hate crime, and the english snobs. The EU is struggling with Hungary not playing by the rulebook. That's just about enough of a pain in the arse.

@farkasabel

6 ай бұрын

When the EU doesnt play by its own rules why should Hungary adhere to?

@thecursed01

6 ай бұрын

yes, hungary is the biggest problem...not the massive corruption in the eu parliament a us member of congress would feel ashamed about, germany self destructing under a corrupted criminal putindicksucker who gets way with his crimes simply by grinning and saying "i don't remember" or the again 20% yearly increase in rape, gangrape, rape of underage women and rape combined with death of victim in germany...jupp..look at hungary...ignore the rest XD as a german, this feels more like britain again rather chosing the hard way than go down with the rest by playing nice with a german dominated continental europe

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

​@@farkasabelwhat EU rules did the EU not follow?

@Fin-mv8dl

6 ай бұрын

Yes and British people haven’t forgot the snobby Europeans who see themselves as superior to us and constantly insult us and our way of life😂😂

@Robert-xy4xi

6 ай бұрын

​@@RazorMouthLook at Poland now! Just watch a BBC report on how Polish workers claim that Ukrainians are taking there jobs!

Not anytime soon. there's no appetite to have the UK back. You're more trouble than you're worth.

@ceresbane

6 ай бұрын

given how that twat corbyn conducted himself upon exiting the EU. I understand completely. Had to make a show and dance about it instead of leaving with a degree of grace. He literally personified why europe hates british tourists.

@goodmusic4673

6 ай бұрын

Amen

@clmclmn21

6 ай бұрын

Good good, as a Brit I hope it stays that way too!

@davidleatham5173

6 ай бұрын

@@clmclmn21 Well you got what you voted for. It's turned out to be a disaster. But not for the EU. It seems that you need the EU, far more than the EU needs you.

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

​@@davidleatham5173eurozone in recession and you can't even pass a vote without it getting vetoed and your hegemonic union being controlled it's two biggest members... yeah i think we'd prefer to stay far away from that sinking ship 😂

Would you let a proven lunatic back into your house after they had behaved so abominably?

@tobiasnaylor

6 ай бұрын

Funny you say that when so many EU countries have equivalents to the “brexit” movement.

@capastianluna8896

6 ай бұрын

Should understand the EU has a ton more worse people in power than UK does!

@impyrobot

6 ай бұрын

@@tobiasnaylor yeah but no others were stupid enough to vote it in and leave the EU

@tobiasnaylor

6 ай бұрын

@@impyrobot agree but only 52% actually voted it in, and most of them regret it now bc the shit politicians said was all lies.

Brexit is the greatest political mistake of the 21st century. As a Brit myself it had threatened the unity of my country and I hope that the UK will rejoin the EU.

@forrust3994

6 ай бұрын

Spain to 'try and convince EU’ to axe 90-day visit limit for British holidaymakers after post-Brexit rule. It comes just days after France’s senate voted to amend immigration law, giving British second homeowners the automatic right to a long-stay visa.

@Rowlph8888

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it was a great deal wehad BECAUSE we still had the pound and could adapt to maintain Competitiveness.In fact, if We were still in now, we would Be rivalling the Germans as the largest economy, as they have regressed, despite only having 2/3 of the population. Currently, the EU is Struggling and it remains to be seen if it is gradually falling to pieces,1) because of the Increased immigration, due to what seems to be an new industry Disrupting communities and telling them there is a utopia in Western Europe that they can pay money for Simply a boat trip 2) the Fallout from the decisions of Germany getting rid of nuclear power plants and Not long after, the stupid decision to sanctio Russia, Leading to revenge, making Acquisition, the only alternative fuel to maintain the economy, much more expensive,, when Germany's heavily labour-intensive manufacturing-based economy is Utterly dependent cheap Russian oil and gas. In the near future the smaller developing EU countries will not be able to count on the need for the UK, French and especially a booming German economy to provide a subsidy Required to grow their economies away from something that is only Moderately better than Third World

@thecursed01

6 ай бұрын

well..there's the afghanistan war, the iraq war, the syria war, the ukraine annexation, the ukraine war, the pakistan bombing raids, the yemen bombing raids, angela merkel, olaf scholz, every top gear team since the leblanc, harris, reid trio,

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

​​​@@forrust3994That's up to France but it doesnt mean they can travel outside France to the rest of the EU. Immigration is a national competency, not an EU one. Spain would be within their right to do the same but they probably don't want to go against EU Schengen rules by having different national rules for just Brits.

@Robert-xy4xi

6 ай бұрын

​@@RazorMouthLet Spain do it and that will undermine the EU even more!

Immediately after the Brexit vote, I already experienced major British IT companies opening branches across the EU (France, Belgium, The Netherlands...) Especially opening warehouses within the EU and shipping their products directly within the EU borders. So, I quickly realized that this would mean fewer jobs within the UK and more jobs within the EU. Our IT company used to buy 40% of hardware in the UK before the Brexit, currently 0%. It's very sad cause I had pretty good professional/personal connections with many fine people in the UK.

@Bob.martens

6 ай бұрын

Brexiit stimulated investment in the EU.

@soton5teve

6 ай бұрын

Let me know when those other "states" regain their sovereignty, then we can talk trade deals C2C country to country the way it's done

@yvesgysel9834

6 ай бұрын

​@soton5teve Yeah, the EU is very strict on regulations indeed. However, you have this huge single market, and if we, Belgium, would leave the EU, we are economically even more screwed.😢

@tismijandroid1011

6 ай бұрын

In the NL we had several big companies move TO the UK. I don't think we can clearly decide on the economical impact until at least 10 years has passed. Negative impact was sure to happen the first few years, it was even less then expected by some economists. Aside from all that inflation was way higher in the NL then it was in the UK, economically speaking EU increased our inflation drastically.

@2msvalkyrie529

6 ай бұрын

And yet we have highest ever Employment rate and record number of job vacancies ??? But you call that an economic disaster...??

No matter what the British people think, the EU also has a say in this. For them Brexit has had only a relativly minor financial and economical impact, while they have gotten rid of their most exception happy member state and bascially got a huge free and highly effective demonstration on why leaving is a poor idea, that saw Leave-demands all over Europe virtually dissappiring. It would also be very hard to justify why a new memberstate should have any exceptions, so Britain would have to sign in to all EU legislations (Opt-outs are only for those that are members long enough). So no special currency, no exception to working rights, finally joing Schengen, likely it would also require stuff like using commonly understood units on all traffic signs. Britain would have to become very committed if they want to enter again. And so far I don't see this kind of commitment, just dreaming people that didn't like the EU and now dislike Brexit even more with no idea what a rejoining would mean.

@olivermahon5618

6 ай бұрын

The EU would definitely take the UK back considering all the new EU candidates will be net receivers as opposed to the UK which was and would be a net contributor, there is only so much Germany can prop up on its own especially as it's not doing as well as it was. On top of this, the laws the UK has would need next to no reform so it would be easy. The UK would definitely have to have some concessions such as adopting the euro which would mean the UK would never join in practice

@khankrum1

6 ай бұрын

OH REALLY? How do you make that out? Especially as you DO NOT live in the EU and I DO!. Things are not so " Honkey Dorey " here either!

@shakiMiki

6 ай бұрын

All you have to do is see what Switzerland has had to do to join Single Market & Customs Union, adopt transparency rules regarding the financial affairs of the super rich. That has seen Switzerland being overtaken by Singapore as the #1 for where money is hidden away. This was the primary driver of Brexit, & none of the things that those paid for it to leave pretended was the reason.

@user-mg3xr9tz7m

6 ай бұрын

@@olivermahon5618nope and you are not a net contributor as you should have realised by now on the 100 billion a year you are losing and these are conservative estimates and Brexit is not even done on several key economic impacts. Wait for 2025

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

@@olivermahon5618 "definitely" absolutely bull. The EU is stronger without the whining poms and it only takes one country out of the e27 to veto.

The size of Northern Ireland in the thumbnail 😂 Jeez....

Great essay, thank you for posting.

The people voted leave on false promises, we don't want this, we want to be in the EU, us the people

@AlexGys9

6 ай бұрын

Rejoining even when that means adopting the Euro?

@user-bp1nc4ug4j

6 ай бұрын

Face it, you are not getting back, a lot of EU members have already decided to veto the eventual rejoining of the UK

@Henning_Rech

6 ай бұрын

We don't want you back, selfish liars. Us, the EU people!

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

​@@user-bp1nc4ug4jas if we want back into that autocratic shithole lol

@WolfHeathen

6 ай бұрын

The democratic referendum result says different.

But the UK only was a member on paper. It had numerous exemptions and exceptions. It wasn’t ever part of Schengen. Often I heard English, not Scottish, people telling me that they were going to Europe this summer. An application for membership or association will be necessary in the future for the UK to survive. But this time, hopefully, any “but we are British” will be discarded immediately. Take it or leave it.

@epjarvis1285

6 ай бұрын

Gladly leave it. I think members of the EU are squeezing as much enjoyment out of the UK's short term financial issues due to embarrassment. Convenient COVID lockdowns happened 1 month after the UK left the EU. When America broke away from the UK do you think it was all roses and chocolates immediately after? They faced many challenges over the next hundred or so years. This is a long term game plan to regain control of our country. So the French, German and Belgians can't tell us what we can and can't do. P.S. I was a remainer

@kelvynward7867

6 ай бұрын

Project: Fear ended in 2019, you're late to the party with this rhetoric

As a whiole? Not sure. I can see an independent Scotland rejoining the EU and Northern Ireland also rejoined through reunification with Ireland, which is still an EU member.

For the average person in the UK nothing has changed. Life goes on, the doom and gloom predicted never happened. People have jobs, some pay went up. Things like zero hour jobs have almost disappeared. In short the pain that leaving was meant to inflict was mainly psychological ( for leavers) and not witnessed by the majority of us in the UK.

@nick5661

6 ай бұрын

Bullshit

There is a fundamental issue regarding perspective on Europe and being European, I understand the position of the leavers very clearly obviously but the remainers/rejoiners are a murky group, are they genuinely motivated by a desire to integrate into the European project or is it simply a case of they want going on holiday to be easier? Even today in Europe it is very easy to find the consistent presence of the British Ex Pat, proudly remaining unintegrated linguistically or culturally into another country but living there because of the sun or cost of living.

Impossible. The UK electorate will not accept the Euro as its currency, the Schengen Agreement permitting unlited migration, and most important government from Brussels. The EU will insist on all three of these conditions.

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

Of course it will. Scotland and Wales we rejoin as independent countries, but the English will stay out.

@vullings1968

6 ай бұрын

What exactly is the govt in Brussels, according to you? Ironically, UK now is following EU trade rules, without any say in them. OK, UK can now get rid of workers rights, and even human rights, if it wants to, but I don't think that is the sovereignty the British electorate voted for.

@MENSA.lady2

6 ай бұрын

For Government read control.@@vullings1968

@chesterdonnelly1212

6 ай бұрын

​@@taintabird23 there's absolutely no prospect of Wales becoming an independent country.

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

@@chesterdonnelly1212 Not yet.

UK rejoining? We (European members) don't looking forward to have a long and time consuming dialogs with the UK on this matter. EU has moved on without the UK, and we manage well. Why should we put in efforts, as UK has always been complaining on rules, procedures and believing their independency will be gone. Hope the UK will move on as is.

@barbarianlife

6 ай бұрын

I am answering as a remainer and pro EU - You want states to ask tough questions and be difficult and complaining. It is these traits that ensure your freedoms as a European.

@spugelo359

6 ай бұрын

@@barbarianlife And also ensures that nothing gets done in timely manner when time is of essence.

@kelvynward7867

6 ай бұрын

I voted leave and don't regret it one bit. The EU and Remainers deliberately made the leave process more difficult than it needed to be (Remain campaigners held the country ransom, sabotaging our Parliament, public services and much more in an attempt to fear monger). The UK, like Ireland, is an island nation but the UK is a much more powerful country and was able to leverage itself to get concessions. The benefit the EU gained was access to the UK's credit card. The UK was contributing more to the EU budget than the bottom 20 members combined. EU rebates are largely rigged in favour of inefficient farmers, and France is full of inefficient farmers. The UK doesn't want to add to an EU military, currency or be attached to a failed continent that has sat with complacency and lost all credibility on the world stage. The EU does desire a seat at the table with the US and China, but can't in its current state. Federalisation is needed for that to happen and the UK would actively block that. I think the best scenario for both is for the UK to never rejoin, the EU to pursue its federalist mission (it makes that no secret) and remain a close ally of the EU. The two do share land borders via Gibraltar and Northern Ireland, the mainland UK is close to the EU, the two share common values, are part of the same military alliance and have a lot to offer each other for co-operation on geopolitical issues. However, the UK isn't fit to ever be a part of the EU bloc due to its culture, heritage, core desires of the public, etc.

@kelvynward7867

6 ай бұрын

@@lasttempoinparis Your reply is completely irrelevant to what I said. You seem to have missed out: Remain voters collectively claiming that Leave voters are ignorant racist bigots who can't tie their own shoe laces together, Labour becoming the de facto party of remain and this ending with Labour getting their biggest battering in history. The Irish border being weaponised by Remain voters and the EU as an issue when it really wasn't since the UK and Ireland had an agreement there predating EU membership and neither was part of Schengen anyway. 60% of all constituencies being Leave Majority but the commons being 60% Remainers Remainers from all parties in the house working together to derail any attempts at leaving Demands for a 'people's vote' when we already had one, the referendum Remainers campaigning after the result, protesting the fact that they lost, arguing that Leave lied. The message about the bus was the money spent could go onto the NHS. Remain was guilty of far more dishonest claims throughout their campaign. No one seriously believed it was a promise that the money would go onto that. We had to have an entire election in 2019 to oust Remainers from Parliament Remainers seemed to argue that Leave was motivated by racism when serious concerns about immigration have nothing to do with race

We had special exceptions prior to leaving/staying in the EU(currency being probably the main). Frankly I'd be wary of letting us back in at this point, for a while.

As a brit, I think it would be a terrible idea. It would completely ruin our credibility if we kept joining and leaving every time public sentiment on the matter changed. We made our bed, now we need to lie in it.

@WigSplitters

6 ай бұрын

i mean, its kind of ignorant not to rejoin if we are worse off being out. your mindset is one of a brexit voters, reluctant to change because you got something wrong (not talking abt u specifically)

@martinhommel9967

6 ай бұрын

What credibility?

@emm_arr

6 ай бұрын

"As a brit, I think it would be a terrible idea. It would completely ruin our credibility if we kept joining and leaving every time public sentiment on the matter changed. We made our bed, now we need to lie in it." Brexit support PEAKED at 37% of the electorate.

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

Credibility? What credibility do you have if you cannot admit to yourselves that you made a mistake?

@user-qv2xt6rq1k

6 ай бұрын

Hope we never rejoin the corrupt EU

Another stumbling block will be the status of Gibraltar. Spain will no doubt veto any UK re-entry unless they get at least joint sovereignty of the territory.

@ant647448336

6 ай бұрын

This is why I truly hope a Brexit deal is struck between the UK and EU on Gibraltar, as Spain vetoed our leaving with the UK. It's a blessing and a curse, as we could get a better deal than what the UK got along with freedom of movement, which we need. N.B. I live in Gibraltar.

@jeffsmith3392

6 ай бұрын

R. O. I would want a reunification referendum and Cyprus would want our two airbases. It just isn't going to happen.

@Rowlph8888

6 ай бұрын

Within a year, they may relax such intentions.It depends on whether the British politicians at that time, have a good poker face, and negotiation tactics. People are forgetting that there will soon be a similar desperation amongst EU countries to get British revenue back as a collateral source. Not only has the loss been keenly felt by the EU, and not just the UK, but incrreasingly so as time goe by, but the growth of the EU and long-term success was heavily dependent a German juggernaut economy continuing to grow, Which is "for the 1st time"since the EU's inception, going In the opposite Direction, due to a series of terrible errors in business, 21st-century technology investment poverty and Revenge from their sanctions put on Russia

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

​@@jeffsmith3392 its much easier to write the legal name and UN registered name "Ireland" your neighbouring country and the name everyone in the world recognises. Who the hell in the world knows what you mean by ROI 🙄

@jeffsmith3392

6 ай бұрын

@@RazorMouth you do! 🤣

As someone who lives in England, and currently not able to vote due to my age, I feel that my future and any chances of living and working in the European continent has been ripped away from me, without me even having a say in it. I think I can speak for a lot of people who are under the voting age living in the UK that we would like to rejoin the Union and get back the freedom to move freely in Europe.

@QuoPaperPlane

5 ай бұрын

The only difference is you can't swan in and out unconditionally. That was one of the reasons for leaving but if we'd known about you, we'd of all forfeited our right to vote leave and decided to stay so as to oblige the young self entitled.

@Korschtal

4 ай бұрын

@@QuoPaperPlane Oh, you can go in and out; what you can't do is go and look for work, as I did, or get training in the host country, as I did, twice, firstly as a cabinet maker, which is hard to find in the UK and has little job security, and then as an occupational therapist, which is unaffordable in the UK and offers little job security. That's what's been taken away from younger people, which is ironic as the Tories did is, weren't they the party of "get on your bike and look for work"? apparently only in places it suits them...

@QuoPaperPlane

4 ай бұрын

@@Korschtal That was a completely different administration as to what the UK have been governed by these last 14 years. We'll soon have the same lot under the Liebour party and I'm sure they'll do their uppermost to drag us back. No referendum needed.

a necrotic gangrenous part is usually never rejoined

@RealMash

6 ай бұрын

The tail wanted to wag the dog and then cut itself of to spite the dog as it refused to do so..and is now being smellier and dying a bit more each day...good analogy!

hopefully not. They were a pain in the as* in the parliament already, an US puppy for any foreign policy issue and one of the reason we're privatizing public rail en masse in mainland Europe. The UK financial lobby has immense power over whatever Westminster decides and does. As someone who works for a patent company and has to follow EU legislation closely I hope they remain out as it is.

@jonphoenix

6 ай бұрын

I'll keep that in mind if we ever get another chance to vote!

@Lad-kj8uc

6 ай бұрын

Exactly what I always argued. We need European trade and nothing else...

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

Trust me we have no desire to return to a hostile, authoritarian and belligerent 'union' that is a hegemony controlled by a couple big members that dominate all the others and then try to economically destroy the uk when we wanted to leave that shithole? Yeah i think we're pretty happy being off that sinking ship! Can't even vote on ukraine aid without the process collapsing because ONE country screws you over constantly with their veto 😂😂

@anonymoususer8895

5 ай бұрын

The US has nothing to do with this princess.

Rejoin the EU? Those are fighting words

As a farming family, my parents voted to stay in EU (i cant vote bc at time i was 10) because if we where to leave we would earn less from our produce and we knew that so now we are facing the consequences of other peoples stupid actions. i want back in

@ruairievans

6 ай бұрын

And you need your grammar, it looks like a Brexiteer wrote this.

@moocow0014

6 ай бұрын

@@ruairievans stfu. i have an like 2 injured fingers with scrathces on them makign it harder to acctually type

@Westwoodii

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, most UK farmers voted to leave, and have since bitterly regretted it. Farm gates everywhere had placards shouting "Vote Leave". Your parents were in the minority of farmers. We are all suffering for the folly of the farmers and the rest of the deluded/gullible leave voters. The sooner we're back in the EU, the better in every respect.

@moocow0014

6 ай бұрын

@@Westwoodii Its because my parents are smart unlike those who voted to leave

@dmax4838

6 ай бұрын

You are upset that you no longer have cheap labor from Eastern Europe. I was a student of mechanical engineering and spent the summer vacation working on your farms.

The UK is not going to rejoin officially at least not till 99% of the country calls for it and even then the EU won’t want us back throwing our weight around. We were duped by snake oil salesmen and now we’ve got buyer’s remorse.

@jonathanbowers8964

6 ай бұрын

The UK will probably be able to get into the EFTA and regain better market access in the next decade or two. Once the Tories suffer a massive beating in 2024, we will see where the chips lie.

@malthusXIII-fo3ep

6 ай бұрын

@@jonathanbowers8964 So what's in Labour's manifesto...Brits never again want trickery and chicanery from EU fanatics.

@rayc9539

6 ай бұрын

​@jonathanbowers8964 I agree. EFTA would make more sense for the UK. Mind you, the EFTA option was offered to Theresa May during the negotiation. She rejected it on the grounds "it wouldn't be in the will of the British people". She didn't ask the British people about EFTA membership, as far as I know. All in all, Brexit was only about EU membership. The referendum was ONLY advisory. Brexit (termination of EU membership) could still have been delivered if we remained an EFTA member and preserve access to the single market. The tories have been a wrecking ball to the UK!

@malthusXIII-fo3ep

6 ай бұрын

@@rayc9539 The '75 Referendum was not advisory...the verdict after a totally one-sided campaign was duly enacted. UK never voted to join the EU which had morphed from free trade only into political and federal union with a German dominated Europe with the imposition of the 1992 Maastricht Treaty...no public UK vote..

*WHERE WAS THE VOTE TO JOIN?*

My Uncle did buy a house in Sicily this year but he can only stay 90 days because of stupid Brexit, if we were to rejoin or be part of the Schengen it would benefit a lot, he stays there between January and March go avoid as a lot warmer then here

@erikk.137

6 ай бұрын

Brexit is not stupid, votes are...

@hans-heinerkleinmanns1955

Ай бұрын

why did he not fight enough against Brexit? all those arrogant Brits! Stay on your Island!

Hmmm! It's been unfortunate. I don't think that it's likely to be a immediate return. It could take 5 years to re-apply! Or beginning to do so! It could take it a great deal longer to do that. At least, another 20 years beyond it! The EU might also have a general unease of it. It is unfortunate.. that we left it - in the first place.

@garyb455

6 ай бұрын

doubt the EU is there in 20 years

@soton5teve

6 ай бұрын

The later you join, the less power you have.

Yes. Terrible things can happen when a PM is a narcissist with a coke habit.

@dutchsailor6620

6 ай бұрын

And they voted for him, just as they voted for brexit.

@rayc9539

6 ай бұрын

​@@dutchsailor6620nobody voted for Sunak!!! He was a convenient replacement...

A more prominent question is, will the EU allow the UK back in or be a member of the Custom Union and Single Market. A lot of mistrust is on the continent to the UK and Barnier will not be able to help.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

Access to the single market is for EU and EFTA members only. The UK could not join the EU, even if it wanted, because it doesn't meet the necessary requirements. And joining EFTA is also unlikely since their mebers are all smaller countries and they wouldn't want the balance severely shifted towards the UK. And yes, the mistrust might be the most important reason why the UK won't join the EU in the next decades. Having an untrustworthy country back at the table where important decisions are made is certainly not what the EU would want.

@soton5teve

6 ай бұрын

The later you join, the less power you have. Do you understand?

No the EU is NOT opposed to the UK joining the EU BUT (Big BUT here) (1) the EU will insist that BOTH major UK parties are clearly pushing for an application (no-one wants the UK to change again later its mind) and (2) Clearly there will be ZERO waivers on ANYTHING: Full EU contribution(no M.Thatcher rebate), Schengen, the Euro. There is absolutely no doubt this will be demanded to the UK. The UK is a great country but so is any other country of the EU. If the UK does not join the EU? No problem: the EU will be a small loser and the UK will be a huge loser. In the meantime other countries will join the EU and the EU will reform itself towards more integration, the majority rule instead of the unanimity, an integrated military force,... I believe the UK opinion change will not happen until at least a decade.

@ayoCC

6 ай бұрын

Well basically truly believing in the european dream. A united europe that stands for human rights, and a "european way of life"

@jonathanbowers8964

6 ай бұрын

The thing about joining the Euro is that you have to fill out the proper paperwork and have a stable enough currency to not crash the common market (especially true for a country the size of the UK as the Pound joining the Euro would be far more significant than Malta joining). The UK would "eventually" have to join the Euro, but the sheer instability of the pound and a reluctance to fill out the paperwork could push that back by decades. Sweden is a great example of a nation just refusing to fill out the paperwork.😊

@friendlygarfield

6 ай бұрын

well said however what I hope and believe is very true - when the brits start begging to rejoin - the EU plays deaf for a few years humbling the Brits to the point that the Brit exceptionalist is truly wiped out Countries like Ireland will reunite ( no more NI ) Gibraltar will return to Spain Falklands will return to Argentina all thoughts of imperil will be trashed and only metric system will be used these are some of the must do for the Brits before begging to join the EU

@NicholasJH96

6 ай бұрын

@@friendlygarfieldFalklands are British as Gibraltar.

@friendlygarfield

6 ай бұрын

@@NicholasJH96 - yes we all know the Union Jack flies across both lands do you believe it is right that this is so ? bet 99% of the world agrees with me that it should not be so

Let the UK where it is. We do not need any Trojan Horse inside the EU.

@RealMash

6 ай бұрын

American Carrier run aground? Snitches to Russia and china-established in the house of lords? Money laundering scoundrels in league with dictators? No? The Brits will be very disappointed with us. Problem being they saw "Yes minister" and thought that was an educational Programme.

@meth3rlence

6 ай бұрын

True, you have enough of those as it is.

@ice-cp2vz

6 ай бұрын

It's a bust hand. Ask the Dutch/ Swiss, now the Danish and lots more

@robertking4645

6 ай бұрын

You literally have Hungary sabotaging every single policy put forward by the Union. Starting from minority rights to massive things like the russo-ukrainian war

@shakiMiki

6 ай бұрын

You have Hungary.

That's the wrong question. The right question is, will the Europeans ever let Britain back into the European Union, and the answer is NO!

@u.s.navy_pete4111

6 ай бұрын

The answer is YES.

Really well articulated.

Uk, ,U.K? Was a brilliant posterquote at the end 😆

I am remainer pro EU pro UK but unlikely the EU states will have us back we are now reaping what we sow.....we now need to make the best of wat we done

@jonathanbowers8964

6 ай бұрын

Eventually the EU will allow the UK back into the club. Probably after the UK spending a few decades at the kids table in the EFTA.

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

​@@jonathanbowers8964kids table? 😂 we don't back into your autocratic, hegemonic 'union' which is essentially a hostage to hungary, poland and slovakia every time you want to do something lmao.

@landsman420

6 ай бұрын

I think it's likely the UK can join the EU again with enough time and public demand, propably at the price of not having extra privileges anymore. The UK either joins as an equal or it doesn't join at all. On the other hand, Brexit had a large benefit to EU integrity, because all the other separatists movements saw, what would likely happen if they broke off as well.

Before the EU could reaccept UK, there is still much to do within the EU. We need a Giant Reform that luckly has been made few weeks ago, but the resoults will be know only in 2024, and it need to convince more than 10 members in question like the transition from veto to qualify majority and so on... If it pass we surely will see some changes. But there is MUUUUCH to do

@Siranoxz

6 ай бұрын

@@afro4860 Reforms are still being made on how the EU decision can be done faster without the VETO. And because of the inevitable EU enlargement with future candidate countries joining the EU soon, The EU has to prepare itself to reforms for today´s geopolitical climate at the midst of global power play between the US and China and India. EU cannot afford to be left out as the EU does seek to become less reliant on the US and becoming more autonomous on global stage decision making.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

The UK has a lot more to do and to reform. In its current state the UK doesn't even meet half of the Copenhagen Criteria which are crucial for the first step to become a membership candidate.

@lilestower

6 ай бұрын

If the very bad idea of abolishing the veto is implemented, the UK has an even stronger case not to rejoin.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

@@lilestower Then abolishing the veto is achieving its goal. Giving the UK a veto right would be most stupid.

@ant_cosacco1306

6 ай бұрын

@@lilestower Abolishing Veto is part of the future of the EU, if this is a motivation to the UK to not rejoin, maybe it shouldn't rejoin either.

Study the history of the islands known as Great Britain. Cameron deserted his duty to abide by the decision following the unexpected "NO" from the population, and those of a similar mind in Parliament have been singularly ibactive in completing the process to leave. It is clear that the "Remain" camp, not least on the benches on Parliament who had given away what was not theirs to give to foreign influence and control, has been hoping that the delay would see things change in their favour. Time will tell but it is also showing that changes are happening in favour of the Brexit vote.

Estonian construction workers have become too expensive for Finnish companies to employ. There is no longer a need in Finland for low-skilled builders, and unemployment among construction workers is increasing in both Estonia and Finland. In the second quarter (Q2) of 2023, Estonian construction companies built 12 percent less at constant prices than during the same period last year.

They'll come crawling back eventually, perhaps in a decade or two

@DukeofBlasphemy

6 ай бұрын

no one here actually wanted this, a few rich people manipulated the reality they wanted. get off your high horse.

@itzKyleM88

6 ай бұрын

@@DukeofBlasphemy Indeed, the whole Brexit 'referendum' fiasco was a Tory ploy to collect more votes than Labour... That's all it was, and it worked! The Tories had no plan, they expected a resounding win for remain at the cost of giving the public a vote on something that the public couldn't possibly fully understand the implications of at the time... There should never have been a vote on whether to 'Brexit', far too important a decision to leave in the hands of the average British citizen... This only shows how inept the Tories are that they allowed such a vote to happen just to keep their control over the country, they care nothing for the UK and its people!

Poland and Baltic states show you can be in Schengen and not have immigration problems. The UK and Ireland show you can be outside Schengen and have massive immigration problems. I wonder if Ireland would be OK with joining Schengen if it was not for the Common Travel Area. The UK will never join Schengen if Ireland doesn't want to do so as well.

@Korschtal

4 ай бұрын

Ireland didn't join because it meant putting up border controls between the ROI and NI which would be a breach of the Good Friday Agreement. Not the last time Ireland followed the UK's wishes to maintain peace in NI.

Some of the issue now is that most wont know what has changed in the EU as it is becoming more of a state that uk life can not live with but we don't see it as we don't report on it.

Good and objective. Thank you.

It is inevitable that sooner or later Britain will apply to rejoin the EU. Brexit is just too damaging. It is only a question of how much pain we have to endure before we admit that we need the EU more than it needs us.

@soton5teve

6 ай бұрын

The later you join, the less power you have.

@lesskeels3417

5 ай бұрын

Rubbish. Do you think the EU's days will forever be cloudless ones? They are going to have some SERIOUS competition very soon, and if they don't rise up to it, they will fall behind.

Maybe you should ask _"Will the EU ever allow the UK to crawl back and rejoin?"_

@covidonenine1948

6 ай бұрын

Only if it suits the EU 😄

@hans-heinerkleinmanns1955

Ай бұрын

never

I am a Brit and I was very against what are people voted for and still am. I genuinely feel embarrassed by our people and governments attitude towards the EU. I never understood why we thought it was a good idea in the first place thinking we could pull it off. We definitely thought we were better than we actually are and we’re way too overconfident with the whole thing. I really hope we can rejoin at some point and rebuild relationships with other EU members.

In its current form I really doubt it. I think some parts such as Scotland will rejoin first and eventually the rest will too either together or as independent nations.

There was never enough debate before 2016 ...... I think that was deliberate, Nigel and Boris have a lot to answer for.

@mateuszzdyb3547

6 ай бұрын

do not leave Cameron out of the picture.

I'm fed up hearing about whether or not the UK will rejoin the EU. The EU should introduce a rule whereby there is an exclusion period of 50 years after a country leaves before it can apply to rejoin, and this rule must be retrospective. The UK must realise they are no longer the world power they once were. As Dean Acheson (former US Secretary of State) said in 1962 'Great Britain has lost an empire and not yet found a role'. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who voted to remain and possibly more sorry for the people who were fooled into voting to leave, but there are consequences to actions. Regrettably, the UK will find in the coming years how tough it is outside the largest free trade bloc in the world when dealing with the US or China.

One thing the EU does enjoy is that you only need to conform to _one_ set of regulations for multiple countries, with big savings on compliance costs.

OF COURSE !!!!! OTHERWISE EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR IS A DROP IN THE BACKET COMPARED TO WHATS COMING !!!! TO MAKE A MISTAKE IS HUMAN, . TO PERSIST MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT IS MADNESS !!!

"Brexit has not worked for the UK". However, it has worked for the EU in significantly reducing hard line euroscepticism within the EU to practical political insignificance. Furthermore, within the EU it has become more blatantly apparent that the UK merely regards the EU as a solution to its economic woes and does not give a tinker's cuss ,or has any desire to espouse the EU's core values. In 1967 even the devaluation of sterling did not ameliorate the UK's economic situation and it joined the EEC in 1973 as a lifeline. Sure enough it worked but as soon as it got a foot in the door the UK started to demand exceptions and privileges for itself. The UK may improve its relationship with the EU and even enter into some sort of an association with it but I do not think that the EU will ever again risk allowing a country whose exit was perceived, even if only for a short time, to have been an existential threat to the union itself to enter the corridors of EU power, i.e. attain full membership and become a rule maker. Once bitten twice shy.

@chesterdonnelly1212

6 ай бұрын

I agree with all of this, and I am a Brit who voted for Brexit, and I am pro EU. I believe in a federal EU, but not for Britain. Britain is already a union and Brits see themselves as separate to Europe, and as part of the Anglosphere.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

@@chesterdonnelly1212 What kind of entity is this "anglosphere" and who are its members?

@chesterdonnelly1212

6 ай бұрын

@@Harry-tb8yo well there are the Five Eyes. The Five Eyes (FVEY) is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. These countries are parties to the multilateral UK-USA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence. There is a lot of military collaboration between these countries. Other than the USA, these armed forces all have the same Commander in Chief, the King. Just on a cultural level, we speak the same language and consume a lot of the same media and culture.

@user-cc7yv9xl2i

6 ай бұрын

@@chesterdonnelly1212 Britan might not remain a union of brits, since northern ireland might reunite sooner than later, and also, there's less british home owners in London than indian ones. Hence, all you said is kinda wrong.

@chesterdonnelly1212

6 ай бұрын

@@user-cc7yv9xl2i Ireland isn't going to unite any time soon. And that really wouldn't affect Britain much. It would cause Ireland more problems than it would Britain. It would pass our problems to Ireland.

This is a really excellent, balanced video. Thanks and congratulations!

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

No it is not balanced

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

Translation: "the video is heavily pro-eu and anti-uk which i like and since i like it then it cannot possibly be biased"

when we joined we had no idea what shape the common market would take .If we had we would not have joined in the first place

Rejoining the EU would be seen as undemocratic and against will of people seeing that British people mostly voted to leave

It will be when all the Celtic nations are gone. And I mean ALL of the Celtic nations.

@ruairievans

6 ай бұрын

But Wales voted to leave, have you done your research?

@balls9420

6 ай бұрын

@@ruairievans So did Kernow. Both have a major chunk of their population English. Wales around 50% Kernow around 85% With most of those English being of the older crowd. So it wasn't Welsh or Cornish people who voted to leave the EU. Sure some did, mainly the older ones. But the majority in those areas who voted to leave were English. So have YOU done your research?

@JamesL42

6 ай бұрын

Scotland isn't Celtic. Well the Highland Scots are. But the majority of Scots, as well as their language and culture, is Germanic. Also Northern Irelands majority culture is Protestant and Germanic Scots as well. So really the only country you're talking about leaving is Wales. And could you imagine Wales on its own? Plus of all the countries of the UK after England, Wales has the least support for Nationalism and Independence.

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

What have the Celtic nations got to do with it?

@taintabird23

6 ай бұрын

@@ruairievans Wales voted to leave, but it has a very large minority of who identify as English and who brought their Eurosceptic politics with them.

Maybe Scotland might leave the UK and join the EU then.

@lesskeels3417

5 ай бұрын

It cannot do that as it does not have its own currency. How will Scotland pay the EU for membership? By forever writing IOU's to Brussels? Stupid bloody fool!!

One should avoid the word rejoin but use join instead, this would remove misconceptions about keeping old benefits.

@robbailie5878

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Any attempt to join the EU will require accepting the Euro, Schengen (Although the way their racing across the channel in small boats I don't think would maake much difference), no veto's, no rebates. If they thought leaving the ERM was a disaster this wouldn't be much better.

What if the EU country’s doesn’t want you back at all? The government of the UK had it’s nose high up and picking only cherry’s. This will stay in people’s mindsets they will remember.

@SaSo-mk6yh

6 ай бұрын

Politicians don't care about stuff like feelings. They will take the option that is more favourable for them.

AS someone who voted remain Brexit hasnt actually gone badly, basically nothing has changed we will have to wait to see if it was the right choice or not.

@Test_Card_Tom

6 ай бұрын

Nothing has changed? The UK's GDP has lost 8%. (about £200 billion a year). Both the farming and fishing industries have been weakened. And its just been announced that the much trumpeted Indian trade deal will increase our GDP by 0.04%. No sign of Farage's much hyped USA trade deal either.

@genericaccount2056

6 ай бұрын

Are you having a laugh?! Sorry. But seriously.

@ChickenMcThiccken

6 ай бұрын

of course it hasn't. uk was told that economic collapse would occur. that never happened. let another eu country exit. when that doesn't cause economic collapse. other countries will go back to their "originality"

@lexm17

6 ай бұрын

Ermmm ask the majority of British businesses who’ve lost trade, had to close down, lost employees because of Brexit. Biggest U.K. companies all want to rejoin

@counterleo

6 ай бұрын

@@lexm17 Hard to tell whether it's a consequence of Brexit, or the pandemic, the war in Ukraine etc. I am from the EU and it's not all green pastures over here. We're all struggling

Its amazing that we accepted a marginal majority to make a huge massive change that is largely irreversible. And very financially damaging to ordinary Brits. Thank you Cameron.

Regardless of political parties interest no serious interest will ever be shown for rejoining the EU. The way families and friends were ripped apart by the last vote will make it impossible to consider. They would be ripping the core of Britain apart again for a vote that could gi either way...and considering some politicians after were saying it should of had a super majoriry rather than first past the post there would be strong arguement for that in this vote.. in fact i think the eu would insist on something like that to avoid the in out arguement every election forever more

@katywalker8322

6 ай бұрын

It was a glorified opinion poll and explicitly non binding. As there was no requirement to act on the result there was no level of majority required for any action listed. Problem came when a government with 45% of the vote was massively over represented in parliament and could force through leaving. Requiring a real representative democracy would be a reasonable requirement by the EU.

I feel insulted when people assume we need Europe to survive. We are independent

@chazer0075

6 ай бұрын

And the country is dying lmao

The UK will either rejoin and beome part of the decision making process again or stay outside and, in order not to wreck its own economy, accept and mirror all EU trading becoming a huge rule taker.

@jonathanbowers8964

6 ай бұрын

I think the UK will join the EFTA in a decade or two. Rejoining the EU will take a bit longer. Either way "global Britain" has completely flopped and the Tories are going to suffer a historic electoral defeat if not outright collapse in 2024.

@user-cc7yv9xl2i

6 ай бұрын

Currently the UK is almost a vassal state of the EU, it follows all it's rules without any voice in making them and pays extra tarrifs for the priviledge of following those rules. Brexit has been a circus since day 1.

@roseanne9986

6 ай бұрын

No third country can make decisions concerning the EU.

@brianbarcroft9167

6 ай бұрын

​@@roseanne9986Which is one reason that Starmer doesn't engage in wishful thinking by saying that the UK will rejoin the EU. It won't be the UK that makes the decision.

There's another question to consider too: If the UK was to try to rejoin (hypothetical), in what form would it attempt to do so? Would the Union even still exist or would Scotland have left and Northern Ireland have merged with the Republic at this time?

@N.i.c.k.H

6 ай бұрын

The arguments against Scotland leaving the UK are stronger than the arguments against the UK leaving the EU. Rejoining the EU would make the break up of the UK more, not less, likely. With NI, everyone except the Irish unionists, would like to see NI leave the UK. Nobody in the rest of the UK would be sad to see it go and it would vastly simplify making Brexit work.

@2msvalkyrie529

6 ай бұрын

Th only pro Rejoin Party in Scotland ( SNP ) is about to be wiped out at next elections .... Hope that answers your question ?

What are you talking about? The euro and schengen exist because they are economically beneficial. They wouldn't if they weren't. The uk would gain economically from joining them, that's the same trade off as joining any eu institution. Pool sovereignty for economic benefit. That's why the eu exists.

6:16 just 1 error, in that the island nations of 🇲🇹Malta & 🇨🇾Cyprus are also part of the 🇪🇺EU!

Not being British, I actually didn't know that Labour wishes to deliver "an improved Brexit deal". When is the UK going to realize that Europe is not there just to accomodate the UK? You wanted to leave the EU you got it, and you even got a Brexit deal - NOW LIVE WITH IT!!!

@amateurchef9992

6 ай бұрын

What are you talking about honestly

@OneTrueScotsman

6 ай бұрын

Well said. If I was the EU, I'd tell the UK to go spin. This is what they voted for, and they were rude about it, even after they won. But just remember Scotland didn't vote for this, two-thirds voted to stay. And one day we will be free of the shackles of the UK, and we'd really like to rejoin our EU allies.

@boardcertifiable

6 ай бұрын

They still believe they have an empire. 🙄

@hans-heinerkleinmanns1955

Ай бұрын

out is out: Case dismissed!

I think the lesson we can all take from Brexit is that some complex and near-irreversible decision should not be made directly by the electorate. Especially with such a slim majority.

@Neokretai

6 ай бұрын

I don't agree, we are a democracy after all and the public should always be given a vote on such matters. That said it definitely could have been done better: Firstly there should have been a pre-agreed exit deal with the EU before the vote so the public knew exactly what they would get voting Leave. A massive issue with the Brexit campaigns was that the ideas people had in mind for the UK for leaving the EU were all over the place, some wanted full separation, others being part of the EEA, other some magic "have your cake and eat it" deal, it was no wonder most who voted for it were disappointed. Secondly it should have been a supermajority vote (either 55 or 60%) required to leave, this is the norm in many democracies when voting on major changes like constitutions etc that can't just be easily undone.

@RF1702

6 ай бұрын

@@Neokretai I disagree with your opinion on democracy. Different countries have different types of democracies and the UK's democracy does not have referendums being a constitutionally binding part of it. The way the UK democracy normally works is you vote in people who hopefully are expects to represent your part of the UK and then they can all work together to work out what is best for everyone. Again, referendums are not part of the democracy of the UK and are not legally binding. Also disagree that a pre-agreed exit deal was needed as clearly the public voted to leave without knowing what would happen at all, so why would knowing change anything? I do agree however if we do a referendum it should be a super majority though.

@charliekane4000

6 ай бұрын

Yeah bro because people are too dumb to think and vote for themselves, elite mindset

@AlLiberali

6 ай бұрын

​@@RF1702UK referendums aren't legally binding but it would be political suicide for the PM at very least to just ignore the results. We should just acknowledge that the Great British public aren't the brightest voters. Also, a pre-agreed deal would've been nice for the government to know what the actual fuck to do next; let alone voters.

@dohvon9968

6 ай бұрын

I agree, the electorate is not consistent and can be influenced by disinformation. The views of the electorate change yearly, what was a majority last year may not be this time. It is no way to run a stable country. The government should do their job and govern.

No. With a side helping of ever. You might have convinced some waverers to accept the idea of rejoining if it was on the same basis as we left - but you're never going to get a majority to agree to Schengen and ditching Sterling.

I don't want them back, but NI and Scotland are welcome.

If the UK is willing to act as a brother and not as a favorite and capricious stepson, or the simple spokesperson of those overseas, welcome. But objectively... well, we would all be more confident if we just had Scotland. 😂

@ayoCC

6 ай бұрын

getting northern ireland and Scotland would be pretty good. Strategically though having England back just so the anti corruption laws that came into effect just after brexit would make things better for the european continent. But it's a question of time, Switzerland is an example that if you're inside europe, you're eventually going to have to submit to the rules of the EU. They too could not hold onto their banking laws. There's no country inside Europe that isn't synchronizing their laws in a large part.

@ceresbane

6 ай бұрын

How would trade with scotland even work? They'd need to either go by sea which could make the port towns boom economically. But the northern seas are known to be rather violent. Hence a land route would be preferred. However... you need to go through England which could theoretically ban certain goods and essentially sanction scotland from trade. I don't see Scotland joining by itself to be a wise move. It might even cause a civil war if things escalate enough.

@robertjohn6585

6 ай бұрын

​@@ayoCCthat's the problem with the EU, you either submit to what they want or they try to destroy you... and they wonder why we wanted to leave that autocratic shithole of a 'union' fuckin lmao.

Short answer: 'no' Long answer: 'Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wasn;t membership of Horizons always part of the deal, except the EU tried to block it to use as leverage...even though scientists across Europe kept saying that locking out such a large member with a great wealth of expertise was an act of self-harm?

@ab-ym3bf

6 ай бұрын

Yes it was part of the deal once the uk met certain criteria which the uk did not uphold. And once it finally did, the uk threw another hissy fit and wanted to pay less as always. Because money is all that counts for the English.

I doubt they would be let in regardless of their opinions changing or not, they would be too much of a liability with no real benefit. We ate the loss and everyone just replaced trade with the UK by trade with China, US, Japan and other places so there isn't even much of a benefit by now, no one is gonna transfer their business dealings again. The most realistic option is getting to the Norwegian model, slowly accepting all the EU laws untill the UK becames an EU colony with the same laws but no say in them.

@hans-heinerkleinmanns1955

Ай бұрын

too late for the norwegian Modell. out is out: Case dismissed!

The EU may move to a tiered participation and that would most likely remove some of the requirements listed for rejoining.

@monsieurlefrog8706

6 ай бұрын

fingers crossed

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

That's only a French Government idea....

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

Really? Another arrogant Brits telling us in the EU what we're going to do.

@RazorMouth

6 ай бұрын

@@petertimmermans8425 agreed thank heavens for Brexit. Now we can have space to improve the EU without the whinging POMs crying at every turn.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

No, it's not. That's an old idea recently recyled by some people from a think tank but it is not something the EU is actually planning or even doing. If you ever want to get membership privileges you have to accept the requirements and not start looking for rebates, opt outs and exceptions like last time.

This is a remain/rejoin broadcast. With that in mind, the reason most are dissatisfied with the current state, is that Brexit has NOT been done. A fudge has happened. The EU retains far too much control within the UK AND N Ireland (especially so). The science package noted, was one we were continually contributing to, but until recently had no participation in. The UK population has been betrayed by politicians, and more importantly, the civil service, who saw the EU as easy street, just rubber stamp their dictates into UK law, with no effort. If the UK wants to rejoin the EU, form a party with that aim, don't ride the coat tails of someone else

If the current trend continues, in 20 years the UK will probably join not the EU, but the Arab League....

Brexit was an opportunity to arrest the effects of globalism and wokery in the E.U Unfortunately, our political masters were all tacit remainers; and have striven not to deviate from E.U regulations and dogma to facilitate smooth rejoining (read Michel Barniers book) Unfortunately too, our governments since Brexit, have been as woke or more woke that the E.U was! So the net result is we got all the downsides of Brexit without the benefits of no longer being subject to the unrepresentative authority of the hegemony.

I really hope for the independence of Scotland (maybe Wales too) and the Reunification of Ireland. Freedom from London’s will.

No, but Northern Ireland and Scotland will.

@LordFe1

6 ай бұрын

Spain would most likely veto Scotland's application, but a united Ireland is quite likely.

@user-cc7yv9xl2i

6 ай бұрын

@@LordFe1 As a Spanyard, 100% depends on the coditions on how Scotland leaves, had the Scots won the last referendum, Spain wouldn't veto them.

@georgesdelatour

6 ай бұрын

@@user-cc7yv9xl2i You make a good argument. In most referenda, the side advocating the status quo has the advantage. But no one believed a “Remain” victory would merely mean the continuation of the status quo. More EU integration would probably follow, and, as with the Maastricht Treaty, the political class probably wouldn’t allow the people to vote on it. The Remain campaign were advised that they needed to make a formal public commitment to automatic binding referenda on all future EU integration. I think that, if they’d done that, they’d have won the 2016 Referendum.

For 2 years before the Referendum, I asked on various media what the END GAME was for the EU. No-one ever offered an answer. Even now on the outside of the EU, the question remains. I accept that by voting to LEAVE, many folks did not know what they were voting for.....but the same could be said for Remainers. What were they voting for ?

@richardgregory3684

6 ай бұрын

The end game has always been the United States of Europe, a single country replacing the members and relegating them to the status that counties have in the UK. Monet was quite open about it, and how to achieve it by stealth, by creating a political union by the back door and pretending it's about economics and trade.

@user-xi6nk4xs4s

6 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as an END GAME. Being part of a union means you've got a vote in where the union is going. Citizens of the UK should understand that better than anyone else, as the UK is also a union.

@rjw4762

6 ай бұрын

We are a sovereign state and so there is no End Game - we are what we are. SO again I ask, what is the 'End Game' for the EU ? @@user-xi6nk4xs4s

@ab-ym3bf

6 ай бұрын

​@@richardgregory3684not true. The goal of the EU is ever closer union, if that ends up in a federal Europe or a USE is up to the members to decide during that path. Nothing stealth about it, one can find it in the ore amble of the treaty of Rome from the 1950's, but the English like to spread myths that suit themselves.

@alek7998

6 ай бұрын

@@ab-ym3bf i can't wait for the day we finally become an European nation. A united Europe would go from 'some dudes in NATO who sometimes do stuff' to a Superpower in its own right

Worth noting that before the uk joined the common market we had been members of EFTA the European Free Trade Association. So we had had some trading partners then. But when we left the European Union we did not rejoin EFTA, but were floundering. Point this out to people, and it would be allowed that we rejoin the EU.

@Harry-tb8yo

6 ай бұрын

Who allows you to "rejoin"? You? The people of the UK? Its government? No, none of them can do that. They can apply for membership but whether you join it or not is decided by the EU and its members.

@TrimeshSZ

6 ай бұрын

Since the primary motivation for exiting the EU seems to have been eliminating free movement (I.E. xenophobia) it would make zero sense for the UK to even try to rejoin EFTA since that also has a freedom of movement agreement with the EU.

@charg1nmalaz0r51

6 ай бұрын

@@TrimeshSZ Do people really believe this crap about xenophobia being the reason for brexit lol. honeslty

@Lorre982

5 ай бұрын

Norway alredy expess their opinion on the UK joing EFTA: "only in your dream".