My eyes can't see the difference, but my wallet can.

@filippetrovic845

5 күн бұрын

But if you paid over 1k for gpu you can spend 120€ more for better cpu.

@rasheeddaley6773

4 күн бұрын

@@filippetrovic845 diminishing returns, that's a good way to spend more than you need to. you spent the extra for the CPU, why not extra for higher speed ram and a higher quality monitor and faster SSD and a better motherboard... and it goes on and on

@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij

2 күн бұрын

@@rasheeddaley6773 Half of the shit you said has close to zero performance benefits, going for a good mid-range cpu actually does.....

@rasheeddaley6773

2 күн бұрын

@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij your mid range isn't some else's mid ranged pc, amd those Iarge purchase for little to no performance gain is the difference between a mid ranged and high end pc

@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij

2 күн бұрын

@@rasheeddaley6773 A mid range PC is a mid range PC, you say some really dumb stuff!

Thank you for including resolutions/settings which are actually the ones used in real life scenarios.

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I upgraded from a 5600X to 5800X3D and found that it can push higher refresh rates much more comfortably. With the 5600X I would get the occasional frame drop, but the 5800X3D is rock solid when holding those higher frames.

@Greggoryy

12 күн бұрын

i'm buying the 5800x3d next month, i got the 5600x right now.

@Joerex916

11 күн бұрын

​@@Greggoryy The 5700x3d is 158 on Aliexpress :)

@South_0f_Heaven_

10 күн бұрын

@@Greggoryyyou enjoy throwing money in the garbage I take it? That CPU is a steaming pile of garbage, a 5800X destroys it stock. Lock it at max boost all core and it destroys it even more.

@nxm3162

4 күн бұрын

@@South_0f_Heaven_a 5800x does not destroy a 5800x3d bud lmfao the x3d is the best am4 cpu for gaming

@MrDalesen

4 күн бұрын

You clearly have no clue. In no games does the 5800x destroy the 5800x3d, what are you smoking?​@@South_0f_Heaven_

I have an R5 5600 paired up with RX6800. Nice to see these kind of videos.

@nkubkbkuj

13 күн бұрын

Same

@pR0ManiacS

12 күн бұрын

I had the same exact build. It's amazing pair it's the max 5600 non x can handle.imo.

@gagool3434

6 күн бұрын

I had it before too, its a pretty nice combo (even if i changed it for a 5800x3d lmao) but it depends of the game very often, ngl on games like Battlefield V and Cyberpunk 5600x struggles a lot, but in other games it runs perfectly smooth

@croih

6 күн бұрын

@@pR0ManiacSWhich one do you think the x version can take up to? I was planning on getting a 7900 GRE. And MAYBE getting a new CPU afterwards… But not sure, I want a good GPU but not one that will be too much for current CPU. I do 1080p 240hz

@pR0ManiacS

6 күн бұрын

@@croih bro for 1080p 240 i suggest you taking just a 7700xt and going to 5700x3d/5800x3d If You want the Best. Gre won't make a difference in my opinion as your games are heavy relying on your cpu. 5600x in 1080p bottlenecks even 7800xt. It will hold back your 7900gre like it's Something in between 7700xt and 7800xt. So get the 7700xt now instead and also upgrade your cpu like pretty soon If not now cause u have money. For fortnite get Nvidia. For cod mandatory AMD. For counterstrike upgrade your cpu fast. For single players also AMD. 5800x3d still a king of cpu for next years it barely bottlenecks 4080s i don't like 5700x3d as its just a worse bining of 5800x3d. Also If You can find a 3080ti used for around 400€ don't think as it is an older gpu is a potent gpu that can be bought on Nice money. It's like a 4070/4070s but with Nice connector that won't burn your PC. Takes a 750w gold psu.

Thanks for all work you did, subbed.

Thanks for this test! I was waiting for it. Really was looking to see the real difference going from a 5600x to a top of the line AM4.

Hi and thanks for the video. Do you think with an I7 10700KF it s the same, more or less?

Thanks David for the side bye side comparison. I actually have the Micro Center 5600X3D example and was seriously thinking about a RTX 4070 Super paired with it. (1440p gaming) I figure the extra cache will close the gap between the 8 core variant. Cheers!

Hi David, great video as always. Could you do a cyberpunk 2077 guide on best settings at 4k, for best performance.😊

Great video. Are the 5600x stock?

have a 5700x paired with a 7900xt honestly happy with this so far

Great video. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and overall gaming now feels "smoother". I'm not sure how to quantify it in a benchmark. The 5600x is still an awesome (now budget) cpu in 2024.

i have trouble running forza horizon 5, there as been many complaints of the same issue i am having and that is that they seems to be a memory leak somewhere , the track disappears and i get a message saying low streaming bandwidth , have you had any issues? i have a very similar setup to yours i think great video by the way

@Splarkszter

13 күн бұрын

Disable resizeable bar.

@dev1lacht

12 күн бұрын

Hey What gpu are u on? I have an rtx 3060 12gb and a ryzen 5600 not overclocked and it runs like slicing a hot knife trough butter

@deanchipchase966

12 күн бұрын

​@@dev1lachthi bud, im on a 4080 super , 5800x3d , so i should be running it no problem, doesnt like something !

@dev1lacht

12 күн бұрын

@@deanchipchase966 use trs is it i think as anti aliasing or dlss on quality I have set everything to high or extreme I have 135-145fps constantly without stutters or something Ayyy that sucks fh5 is nice af

@dev1lacht

12 күн бұрын

@@deanchipchase966 low streaming bandwith teminds of a setting in Mw3 where it downloads textures and stuff for a better fps stability midgame With it on i have similar problems like you After turning it off never had this issues again

I have r5 7600 what gpu take it RTX or AMD 1080p 165hz

I appreciate the video. I just upgraded from a R7 1700 and was stressing between a 5700x3D and a 5800x. Ultimately I decided to go with a 5600x and throw the extra cash to a better video card to replace my AMD 580. This video showed me it would be nice to have the extra power of a 5800x3D, but the much cheaper 5600x gets me most of the way there in the 1440 60Hz or 4K 60Hz my monitor and TV operate it. I'm not looking so much at max FPS, but more concerned about a bottleneck at 3k or 4k gaming.

Is your 5800x3d running on a updated bios AM4 mobo? Just got mine and having issues booting w both sticks of ram installed

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

Yeah it is

@Puwpl

13 күн бұрын

im running my 5800x3d on a very bad ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 and it works fine. If you can boot up with 1 stick try getting the bios update on a usb stick and just update your bios. will probably fix it

@UnimportantAcc

13 күн бұрын

@@Puwpl actually I found out that the problem was just that I couldn't see anything before Windows. The bios/pre-boot screen was being output onto my GTX 1080's DVI port and not the DisplayPort. Luckily someone had answered an old forum post and left a link to an nvidia page for the gpu DisplayPort firmware update. Fixed my issue instantly

@rasluffi

11 күн бұрын

​@UnimportantAcc I think I've been experiencing the same issue, could you point me to that page?

@UnimportantAcc

11 күн бұрын

@@rasluffi I'm not sure if I can post a link nowadays in YT comments but search google for "NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays" and you'll find it immediately Best of luck mate I hope it solves ur issue x

i'm always curious as to the decision to include titles like "starfield" and "gray zone warfare" in a test like this, as both seem to be relatively unoptimized - especially in regards to cpu performance. it almost feels like you are testing the game's performance more than the performance of the cpu in-game, if that makes any sense. i know starfield has received some updates to help with this, but it still seems like typical "bethesda optimization." games like fh5, cs2, & cp2077 make more sense to me since they tend to utilize given resources in a more predictable - and often consistently scalable - manor. other than showing real-world application for sake of user expectation, is there any benefit in a cpu test to use those two specific games, or am i missing something (which is absolutely possible)? thanks for the content, i really am appreciative - even when i have what might be considered dumb questions, lol.

@Splarkszter

13 күн бұрын

Meh. It's to show how it runs. Sure it should't be included in metrics or used as consideration.

@echo5827

18 сағат бұрын

Optimized or not better if better CPUs are giving better performance it's valid

@ThrasherEscapes

16 сағат бұрын

@@echo5827 because of the title of the video, i thought the point of the video was whether or not a 5600x will bottleneck high-end gpus, not to see how it performs in unoptimized early access titles. just seems like a strange choice for this video in particular. it isn't worthless data, for sure! it just seems kind of irrelevant to the point of the video.

As always, if ur on AM4 already, an upgrade might be worth it, if u encounter bottlenecks or stutters (Id probably go for a 5600x3D or 5700x3D if available). If not, go for AM5 or wait for the 9000 series even. I own a 5800x3D paired with a 7900xtx nitro+ and I got it especially for Star Citizen back then, which benefits a ton from the extra V-cache (I had a 5600G, 5500 basically, bought it during the insane mining times). Additionally all the micro stutters in some other games were gone and FPS is general are very stable with the 5800x3D.

my 5800x couldnt get my 7800xt to full util at 1080p in a lot games either, threw in the 3d and its always at 100% now. also a huge performance gain

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

It’s a great value chip if you’re already on AM4. If I were building from scratch I would probably go AM5, but seeing as I already had the ram and the motherboard, it was a nice affordable upgrade, relatively speaking…

It depends on the game, detail settings, and resolution, as always.

1080P low it is interesting to watch some posible gaps as trivia but benchmarking in my opinion must be in ultra. Edit: do you note any perfomance visually in FS from 40 fps to 70?

@mynickisalreadytaken

14 күн бұрын

If you want to benchmark GPUs -> Highest Settings If you want to benchmark CPUs -> low Resolution, low Settings. If you want to test how your System pumps out FPS in Games - > desired Resolution + Settings. He tests different resolutions. He tests in low and high. With RT, without RT. Testing on 1080p low is not trivia to me.

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

So for flight sim I only have a 60hz panel, it’s just a cheapish 4K TV, so I’ll lock the fps for msfs in the nvidia control panel to 60. When frame gen is enabled, the sim goes down to 30, then frame gen doubles it up to 60. It’s noticeably smoother. Longer term goal is to get a variable refresh rate tv, but for now it works

Hi, i have 1650 super with i3 10100f I want to upgrade it to 7800XT with i5 11400 or i7 11700. What will be best I dont want to spend on MB and RAM

@lhaceneleroux3863

13 күн бұрын

There is roughly 5% difference between the i5 and the i7 no difference in gaming , the extra 2 cores of the i7 could come handy in multi tasking.

@gauravmittal5129

13 күн бұрын

@lhaceneleroux3863 Thanks, but will i5 11400f works fine with 7800xt.

@Ericozzz

12 күн бұрын

@@gauravmittal5129 bottleneck on 1080p most likely but any higher resolution you'll be fine

The CPU Ryzen 5 5600x perfectly handling RTX 4080 for 1440p+ resolution gaming. I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy this monster for 1080p gaming, it will be overkill for it. I think that my Ryzen 5 5600 (non x variant) will handle it pretty good for 1440p gaming.

Some impact to 1% low, but not huge

Would you recommend a 5700x3d paired with a 4070 super

@davidnott_

12 күн бұрын

That sounds like a sensible combo. Would love to test a 5700X3D against my 5800X3D

@UKKNGaming

12 күн бұрын

No get the 7900GRE instead of the 4070 S. Much better pairing and higher frames especially with SAM enabled smokes the shit out of the 4070 S.

I recently gave my 3070 to my nephew who's PSU died and took his 1080 with it, Ive been wanting to build a new system, but I've been hamstrung with the 3070's 8gb vram, So i was needing a total rebuild. Now with this video I can see I will bottleneck my next gpu for awhile, but thats fine with me. 7900xtx will feel much nicer when gaming at 1440p ultra and will work even better once I upgrade the rest of the system by Christmas 2024. Waiting on the newer AMD stuff as I'm hoping for a newer chipset in additiion to the newer CPUs. 5600x (100%) 5800x3d(130%)7600(135%)7800x3d(150%) is about how i see it roughly speaking.

Im wondering to get 7800xt or 4070 super and thinking my 5600 will bottleneck those cards... so i can keep my 5600 because im plying most of time in 1440p ultra or high.

Went to a 5700x3d and still experiencing massive frame stutters during battles in helldivers 2 on a 3060 on just 1080p high so it seems like the game is massively unoptimized

@bodasactra

11 күн бұрын

The 3060 is lower end GPU with limited VRAM. The.5700X3D is way overpowered for that GPU being held back by significant GPU bottleneck. Sell the 3060 and get a used 6700XT or 6800XT for the most cost effective method of achieving a balanced build that gets the most from both CPU and GPU. Otherwise, your wasting money on performance your not getting.

@NGreedia

11 күн бұрын

@@bodasactra I’m considering a gpu upgrade and might when Blackwell/rdna 4 drops. I’ve noticed other players that do have much more powerful gpus than me have also been experiencing frame stutters in this game though. It’s not as much of an issue in other games though, which suggests a game optimization issue as this game shouldn’t be demanding

Omg I’m also like under the same boat but maybe for different reasons 😂 I’m getting a 4080 non super but I still have 5600x for now until I get money for a good cpu. Needing to know what I can expect from a bottlenecked 4080 since I’m getting mine used(and that’s important so I can know wether to return it or not) I’m assuming I will be getting like 5-10 less frames than these tests since he has a 4080 super? If not let me know with a reply, I will be very grateful 🙏

@boffifis1

6 күн бұрын

4080 and super perform identically funnily enough

@spashashank

3 күн бұрын

I too have 4080 and 5600x and not much is lost in terms of performance at 4K and maxed out settings. Hardly 5-10 percent loss if any. Will run 5600x for another 1-2 years before prices on the 5800x co,e down or will buy 9000 series which is coming out soon

@feetenthusiast1015

3 күн бұрын

@@spashashank oh my gosh, that is really surprising to hear but also a relief. thank you for responding!

@spashashank

3 күн бұрын

You can also check yourself when you game at 4k. check your cpu and your usages., GPU usage should be ideally above 80-90% and CPU should be lesser. If your CPU usage is higher than the GPU then your CPU is slower for your GPU.

@feetenthusiast1015

2 күн бұрын

@@spashashank omg thanks dude for the tip. I’m gonna keep an eye out for that once I get my hands on the gpu!

5800X3D in Australia is $499 but Ryzen 7600 is $299 and offers similar /better/worse depending on title. 5800X3D is great but 7000 series IPC pulls its weight and is cheaper by $200 you can throw at the GPU.

People should not forget the cheaper 5700X3D option as well. There is also 5600X3D, but that cpu is a rare one. But if 5600X3D was actually easy to get, i think that cpu could be an incredable cpu for gaming. NOt as fast af 5700X3D/5800X3D. But that 3D cashe does matter in games alone.

@davidnott_

2 күн бұрын

Good point! Would love to test these

I use a 4090 with a 5600 🤷‍♂️

@UKKNGaming

12 күн бұрын

Why that's so stupid.

@headphonesz6527

11 күн бұрын

Yeah really dumb 😂. If you arnt gaming in 4k that is a huuuuge waste of money

@tryharder1053

11 күн бұрын

@@headphonesz6527 yeah gaming on one of my many 4K oleds and 8k mini led tvs stay broke

@tryharder1053

11 күн бұрын

@@UKKNGaming not really getting 100% utilization you ppl don’t know anything it’s quite funny

the 5800x3D is kind of a whole another beast from the 5600x, that extra cache makes a huge difference in many games. Not to say this comparison is unfair but the 3D is kind of in a class of its own.

@South_0f_Heaven_

10 күн бұрын

Bud that 5800X3D is a steaming pile of garbage. Would think by now people would have figured it out but I guess not. You want worse gaming performance buy a 5800X3D You want worse productivity buy a 5800X3D Want your PC to just work buy Intel.

@pravnav

10 күн бұрын

@@South_0f_Heaven_ mate this is just a comparison between 2 amd cpus and you come barging in boasting about intel, I doubt any of us care. We are just am4 owners seeing if it's worth it to upgrade to a 5800x3d, and we just don't care about intel in this scenario. Also not sure how 5800x3d is worse at gaming than an intel cpu.. but okay lol

@45Lotos

10 күн бұрын

@@pravnav I didn’t realize people like this still existed in AMD vs Intel debates lol

@64bitmodels66

10 күн бұрын

@@South_0f_Heaven_ and yet intel is selling worse and worse with shittier power efficiency be quiet man, don't bring intel up in an amd conversation

I game 4K quality upscale 6950XT and 5600 clocked at 5600X speed. I'm almost always GPU bottlenecked so I'm not buying the 5800X3D. If I start seeing GPU usage less than 90% in games then maybe...but I always see 95+% GPU usage for now.

@davidnott_

12 күн бұрын

Yeah at 4K you’re much less likely to feel a CPU bottleneck

Optimal configuration 5600+4060ti

@davidnott_

12 күн бұрын

Yeah nice and balanced

i have a 5800x and don't realy think i will go to 7000 series , just wait 9000 series. i recently sold my 3080 ti and found an 4080 sh at 850 euros because im in europa.

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

Sounds like you’re in the same boat as me!

@Mr.Fall1n1

14 күн бұрын

@@davidnott_ yea man . btw i saw your pool about doing some live . go for it . maybe try some retro games to

@imkvn4681

13 күн бұрын

Just made the jump. To the 7800x3d, it only made sense when I found a 7900xtx for 400 + trade for 3080. At about 1300ish the 5800x3d and 3080 will get you the best value. Just waiting for 1440p to be mainstream we're not quite there as 120fps would be a sweet spot. 4090 is too wasteful at the price point.

shouldent go no higher then a 6800 or 6800 XT on the 5600x or 3070/3080 like 4070 as well!

think you could use some amd cards ? And not specifically nvidia ?? seems kinda one sided to me ! should be done on both AMD cards as well as nvidia.

@davidnott_

8 күн бұрын

That would be fine if I had pots of money. I’m just a guy starting out. Maybe some day!

Those CS2 numbers don't look right, I get CPU bound a lot faster in actual play.

Does the x3d cpu really matter when you use a 4K 60Hz monitor or are the extra frames just wasted anyway at 4K?

@davidnott_

14 күн бұрын

If you’re targeting 60fps, I’d be paying more attention to the 1% lows and 0.1% lows, trying to get them as close to 60 as possible too. There’s a school of thought with competitive titles that more than 60fps has a benefit even when using a 60hz monitor as the frames you see are newer frames, but I think you’re really splitting hairs at that point, as if you really cared about competitiveness you’d be on a high refresh display

@Ericozzz

12 күн бұрын

i'd say no. But as someone who went from a 1080p 60hz display to a 1080p 165hz you will feel difference in smoothness on most games. Some games will play smoother the higher the framerate, But others (mostly 2d games) I saw zero difference. I also played on a 280hz display but couldn't feel much difference from a 165hz

5600 non x was bottlenecking my 7800xt while 5800x3d does not bottleneck it at all. Spiderman god of war cyberpunk 1440p.

New 5600x on ebay $110, new 5800x3d is $280. I'd like to see a comparison between a 5800x3d / 4070 Ti Super and 5600x / 4080 super for nearly the same price. I believe 5600x with 4080 super would have better performance.

@davidnott_

13 күн бұрын

Depends what you play. Warzone wouldn’t do so well, I’d imagine. Be a fun test though, too bad I’m not sampled by Nvidia 😅

Flight simulator is cpu limited... because youre not running the game at 16K resolution lol... which you can do... it annihilates the 4090.

helldivers 2 - 5600x rip(

Im happy with 5600x +3090

cpu cache is king

If you are enough of a pigeon to buy a 4090, just buy a good CPU alongside it.

If a 5600X did not bottleneck high end GPUs how is it a 5600X3D gets massively better fps on the same GPUs? Lol, kind of obvious.

of course it will

I have 5800x3d and 7900xtx I didnt buy am5 mb and 7800x3d becouse my bank give me loan for just 7900xtx :D

it looks better on the 5600x

Try EA Games WRC... :(

Kind of doing this backwards bud. 1080 is going to be more dependent upon the CPU, whereas bumping up resolution makes it more gpu dependent. The only reason you’re getting better results with some games at higher resolutions with the x3d is because of the 3d vcache. This test should’ve been done with a better cpu than the 5600x that also didn’t have 3d vcache.

@davidnott_

8 күн бұрын

These are the only chips I have I’m afraid. The point of the video wasn’t to be a full on CPU review, but more to see if a modest, now very affordable chip like the 5600X can keep up with a big GPU

Yes. 1000% yes. Oh you just play valorant and warzone? No one cares

@davidnott_

6 сағат бұрын

lol

Yes. Also will be burn connectors as 4090

This is pointless. Eliminating a cpu bottleneck is about more than just higher FPS. Show frametimes

@B_Rye402

11 күн бұрын

I agree but you could see it in the 1% lows and 0.1% lows that the 5800x3d is a much smoother experience as well as higher FPS in many cases

5600X is also free to the volume buyer as it 76/7500_ interesting on the 5800X3D volume retail price premium over 5600X. mb

@mikebruzzone9570

Күн бұрын

come on no reversing the obvious. mb

@mikebruzzone9570

Күн бұрын

I did enjoy the video and found it useful, B+. mb