I went from a 2600X to the 5800X3D. Massive improvements on both average frame rate and 1% lows. Then I swapped out the 2060 for a 7900 XT and got blown away- again.

@jarkkoseppanen899

5 ай бұрын

I went from 2700x and r9 390x to 5800x3d and 7900xt, nice upgrade ❤

@pierrebroccoli.9396

5 ай бұрын

@@jarkkoseppanen899 Yeah, went from a 3900X to a 5800X3D with the 7900XT. Not a huge difference in Il2 VR max frames but flying over Normandy Beaches, I have the fps hold steady where with the 3900X they would halve. Running a Pimax 8K-X headset through SteamVR with 1 in Pitool Wide FOV and 100% SteamVR SS. Early days and undervolted at -25 all cores.

@OrElseYouWillDie100

4 ай бұрын

I went from a gtx 660m to a 6750xt go figure, cpu changed from 3210m to 5600x for tarkov is very cpu dependant so I'll get a 5800x3d soon enough

@daviddavies3637

4 ай бұрын

After seeing some benchmarks today, thinking of going from a 2600 to a 5800X3D. Realised not long after I bought it that my 6800 XT was going to waste with this CPU.

@kevin.malone

4 ай бұрын

@@daviddavies3637 I'm going from a 2600 too and it's a bottleneck even with a 1660s. Can't wait to try out the 5800x3d once it gets here and see how much smoother things are.

I upgraded from 5700x to 5800x3d. In my usecase it was 100% worth it. I play escape from Tarkov which is a very poorly optimized game. You are almost always in cpu bottleneck. So the upgrade not only improved 1% lows but also average fps significantly

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Awesome! Similar story to me with flight sim

@kognak6640

5 ай бұрын

This applies almost any Unity-based game, not just Tarkov. I have a few of them and 5800X3D has been much better than tuned 5800X. Too bad reviewers always focus on well-polished highly GPU bound AAA-games.

@stangamer1151

5 ай бұрын

The big problem for 5800X3D at it's current price is much cheaper 7500f. This CPU, when tuned, usually matches and sometimes even outperforms 5800X3D. This makes the latter quite a bad value option. I think that is the main reason why 5700X3D was released. Though it is a bit too expensive as well. Hopefully it will drift to $220 soon. Then it would be a decent upgrade option for any AM4 owner.

@reizanaliu

5 ай бұрын

@@stangamer1151 stop spreading bullshit.

@stangamer1151

5 ай бұрын

@@reizanaliu Stop acting like a kid.

I need a microscope to see those frame time bar.

@fracturedlife1393

5 ай бұрын

Zoom from full screen? Works on android anyways, pretty useful

@RohanSanjith

3 ай бұрын

@@fracturedlife1393 No it's not

@JK-xo9wm

3 ай бұрын

​@@RohanSanjithyes it is

@RohanSanjith

3 ай бұрын

@@JK-xo9wm No it's not

@kingeling

Ай бұрын

@@fracturedlife1393 There is no frame time bar lmao

I also did the swap from the 5600X to the 5800X3D like nearly a year ago. The improvement in my mainly played game DayZ at this time was immense. Playing on 1440p 240hz and the 5600X wasn't capable of delivering any fps more than 150fps. This swap brought me a fps boost of like 100-130fps depending on the situation, what is pretty damn crazy. It also depends alot on what kind of game you are playing. In the case of a very cpu intense title like DayZ its a night/day difference between this two ones.

@colbyboucher6391

3 ай бұрын

Yep, that's what's being missed here, if you're just trying to shove as many frames though as physically possible this thing is a godsend.

@amy-295

2 ай бұрын

This cpu is really good for a game with cpu boundary

@MotoFlows

2 ай бұрын

Night n day on paper but can you tell with with naked eye and feel for performance

@Rachow-666

15 күн бұрын

​@@MotoFlowsIn dayz? 1000%.. you feel the slightest drop in this shit game

Cool video. Thanks for making it. It's nice to have narration with benchmark comparisons and such, especially with explanation! I recently upgraded to a 5700x from my 6700k & kept my ram, the same as yours speed-wise 32GB DDR4 CL16, && kept the same GPU GTX 1080 && PSU Seasonic 660W 80+ plat. just didn't wanna have to buy new ram really, lol. I upgraded from 1x16GB stick to 32GB dual channel (waited like a year to buy the 2nd stick)

@user-lp5wb2rb3v

5 ай бұрын

you should upgrade the ram really

@saiyajinelitehoss

5 ай бұрын

@user-lp5wb2rb3v My guess, with my system pushing 1080p60 is that upgrading the ram makes 0 sense. Exactly why I went 5700x vs 5800X3D.

@notluminaire

5 ай бұрын

@@user-lp5wb2rb3v no, he shouldn't, the fuck?

Hey, I don't wanna nit pick, but I have the same CPU, and I am wondering if you have tried any of the optimizations available for it, which help a lot with keeping those faster clock speeds needed to pull ahead of some of the competition. I've tried it stock and with optimizations, and I gotta say; a lot of room to play with after the CPU has been PBO tuned.

A genuine question I've needed answered. Thanks a ton!

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Happy to help!

Great video. Thanks for the information!

Great video, well shot/presented with useful info! I have watched all the previous big YT channels reviews on the 5800X3D when it first came out, but am always happy to watch other videos from smaller channels, and yours popped up on my home page. My jump was more significant than your 5600X, as I upgraded from a 3700X to the 5800X3D in early 2023 when they were at their cheapest, and it was a great boost all round, especially for sim racing (I saw an average increase of 20% in FPS and much better 1% lows). It's also provided a smoother experience in VR. I then upgraded my 2070S to a 7900XTX mid 2023, and I'm set for the next 3 years at least, hopefully longer. I suspect you'll be the same. The 5800X3D isn't quite as good value now, but it still saves you spending $$$ on a full platform upgrade, so it's still worth it given how rock solid AM4 is.

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it. I think you’re right. The 5800X3D should keep me covered for a good long time now - especially now my 4080 Super has arrived. Video soon!

@Nawi2020

5 ай бұрын

In 4K with rtx 4070s, could i built with ryzen 7 5700X ? I think 7800X3D just better 0-1 % in 4 K than 5800X3D

@Leerzej90

5 ай бұрын

just go with 7800x3d it's just better.

@stangamer1151

5 ай бұрын

5800X3D does not really save you anything, since B650 and DDR5 became pretty cheap and $180 7500f was released. Upgrading to 5800X3D might even be more expensive than switching to AM5, depending on a certain region/offering.

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

@@Leerzej90 I don’t doubt it better but in terms in terms of ratios I had a hard time going for it as the outlay would be over twice that of a 5800X3D that I could just slot into my AM4 platform. Maybe I’ll jump in on zen 5 when the X3Ds come out

I have a 5800x3D with a 7900XTX. Decided to skip the Ryzen 7000 series and will upgrade when the next gen comes out.

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Yep, thinking the same myself. It’ll be a while before the X3Ds so I’ll sit tight for now I think

@kurtmichiels6593

5 ай бұрын

Just upgraded my 5600 and rx6600 to an 5800x3d and rx7800xt. Older parts are going to daughter for her first PC. Preferred to stay on the same platform as her.

@50H3i1

5 ай бұрын

Unlike this guy you made the better choice on the new gpu

@KristjanThomasHaaristo

5 ай бұрын

still with 5800x myself and 7900XTX, the cpu is basically useless to upgrade unless you're looking for that potential 10-15% (depends) slight bottleneck that might occasionally crop up in rare cases, and for latest stuff i utilize FSR 3 + Frame Gen mods anyways so it's not like it matters at all at that point next gen ryzens then i might even update to DDR5 eventually

@lvmarv1

5 ай бұрын

​@@50H3i1Who?

Thanks for this info! I currently have a 5600x in a similar system - hoping to make the upgrade jump to AM5 with Zen5 later this year.

@carrickdubya4765

2 ай бұрын

RYzen 9000 coming out by then so it should be interesting. LOL bc I have Ryzen 1600 (non-X)

@davidfelix3851

Ай бұрын

Sell some old stuff you don't use on eBay or offer up and sell your CPU and there you go that's what I do.

Subscribed! I have the same rig, and was debating a 5800x3d upgrade. I knew I had a CPU bottleneck, but didn't realize that the 3070 would end up as the bottleneck so quickly. It really comes down to performance vs $ at that point, and, for the price, I think I'll wait until I can upgrade the GPU as well. Great vid!

I will be waiting for the same video but with the RTX 4080 super, mate!

@hot_valcano

5 ай бұрын

SAME HERE

@bigatchoum

5 ай бұрын

Fully agree. Please do a follow up with the new CG. I would expect that the 5800X3D will enable the 4080 to stretch its tensor cores, expecially in heavy ray tracing situations.

I did this same upgrade upgrade awhile back, and I am happy with it after I also upgraded my CPU cooler. I got a decent Thermalright pretty cheap (Peerless Assassin, but other newer ones like Phantom Spirit are a little better). There is a large temperature difference between these chips, but it can be handled by a dual tower cooler. Thumbs up!

Hey there, nice video. exactly my use-case. just that now, I more interested on the 5700x3D - significantly cheaper and yet, only about 5~8% slower than the 58. would you recommend getting that, instead of the 58? it sees just about perfect of an upgrade, from the 5600x. ( will get about 120~140$ back on that 5600x, while the 5700x3D will cost about 300 here in my location ).

@Zencho639

2 ай бұрын

If you play at 1080 p heavy cpu game could be a good choice rhe 5700x3d but if you play on higher resolutions, i dont find so much advantage with some games.

I did a similar upgrade path. 5600x/3070 and then decided to try the 5800x3d. Left me second guessing due to temps, but once undervolted, it really smoothed things out a lot. Found myself into a 4080 6mo later (also undervolted). Let's me vsync most things 164Hz, and I call it a day.

@marcocherubini1279

3 ай бұрын

I've bought a 5800x3d and i don't know what is the right voltage, do u have advices ?

@MrCthur

3 ай бұрын

@@marcocherubini1279 See if you can get to -30mV on all cores and then play with PPT, EDC, etc. I think I'm using something like PPT-114 TDC-75 EDC -115, but I forget.

Nice video mate.

Interesting video. Good to see a proper comparison. I did a similar upgrade except I had the 5600 non x. Upgraded my gpu to a 7900xtx so wanted some more grunt to support it. The problem I had is playing at 4k the cpu upgrade wasnt as noticable. Totally thought Id wasted my money at first. Mainly improvements in the lows as you found. Newer games seem to utilise it a bit better now. Ive swapped my gpu out again and got a 4090 and they work well together

@user-jk5um1om8l

2 ай бұрын

Have a 5600g and about to get a 4080 super. Based on your experience, would you say it’s serviceable or should I spend extra on a 5800x3d? (I mainly play MMORPGs. Thinking of getting into Helldivers 2 once I get my gpu.) Edit: I use a 4K display.

@chrissyboy7047

2 ай бұрын

@@user-jk5um1om8l I would be tempted to upgrade your cpu as thats only a 5500 but with built in graphics. At 4k you might not need it though although you would definitely be leaving some frames on the table. I love the x3d and it performs well in all games Ive tried

Will there be any performance difference between the two CPUs under 4K ?

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

If you’re already GPU limited, it’s unlikely you’ll see a difference

Great video, nice to see a benchmark done with more real world PCs. rather than max GPU to show the max difference. It was great that you changed to settings to see how how the performance gap changed.

Nice timing of your video as I’m going through similar situation myself. I have 5600X with RTX 3090 (I play all titles on 4K as I have LG C2 which can go up to 120hz) and lately I started thinking of upgrading my CPU but to be honest I started thinking about upgrading mainly because of all other things other than gaming performance. I’m pretty happy with how it handles the games I play (Warframe mostly) but I started getting annoyed on how it slowed down on Windows 11 startup, and some other situations where I literally see that CPU is kinda struggling. From that perspective I started thinking between 5800x3D and 5950X and I still can’t decide in my head because one is really fast in all tasks except gaming and the other one is super strong in gaming… I’ll also wait for your video with 4080 which hopefully might give me more insight on wether should I go for 5800X3D or just go for raw performance in everything else with 5950X. Great video btw. Looking forward to the new one.

@chriswright8074

5 ай бұрын

Zen 4

@Gago_94

4 ай бұрын

@@chriswright8074 not in situation to invest that much money (New CPU,MBO, RAM) thats why i'm thinking of upgrading just CPU..

@OilFreeFeathers

Ай бұрын

Imagine playing Warframe in 2024, a Canadian gender lecture simulator.

Great video! I have a 5800x (undervolt) with a 3070, similar to your combo and i didnt see much benefit in go for the 5800x3D but i though a about it. As you said, may be a better gpu could make more difference in some cases.

I be interested in your fan curve and temps using this chip. Recently got it myself 5800X3D, 53c max so far in my testing's (using my fan curve). Air Cooling. I use a 3080Ti, and was wondering if it would be worth getting a new GPU as I use my setup for VR play.

Hey, do you play DCS? I was thinking about uprading to 5700x3d from 5600. My GPU is 6700xt. I am mainly playing DCS, hoping to play Microsoft Flight Simulator one day

I have a 5700g without a gpu, where should i go for 4k?

Did you run the CPU on stock settings in this video? Or was it undervolted?

@davidnott_

3 ай бұрын

All stock.

I've been contemplating the same upgrade for my 5600X. I have a 3060 ti now, but if I upgrade to say a 40X0, I need a better CPU unless I just push the GPU use at 4k. The 5600x/3060 ti combo is really well matched for gaming though.

@justluke8836

5 ай бұрын

Go halfway and get the 5700x3d it’s a lot cheaper.

@BReal-10EC

5 ай бұрын

@@justluke8836 I want to make the most of my AM4 system... saving a little for half the performance improvement doesn't seem that appealing now unless I was planning to upgrade the whole rig to a new socket in the near future. The 5800X3d still gives me upper tier Am5 gaming performance on Am4. That's pretty sweet- especially when you look at what AM5 motherboards still cost.

@strongforce8466

5 ай бұрын

@@BReal-10EC I think if you plan to go 7800xt or 4070s, you can stay on the AM4 platform and get 5700x3d or 5800x3d even better, but if you plan to go higher, or in the next year or so, then definitely save for a new gen CPU, even wait for zen 5 this summer and get a non x3d version (as the 3d version will likely not come later), btw, don't go Nvidia mid end 12gb VRAM sux. not worth it. 4070ti super, above or nothing.

@Katastra_

2 ай бұрын

if you are anywhere near a microcenter and have a friend or family member that needs an upgrade, they have a $300 5800x3d with a $170 motherboard, and a $40 16gb memory kit combo for $330. I'm going to get it and then sell the mobo, ram, and my 5600x to my brother, and get a 5800x3d upgrade out of it for $200, and he gets a much needed upgrade from his i5 2500/8gb ddr3 build from like 2011

Hello there! Great video man, very informative. I'm planning to upgrade from an i5 6500/GTX 1060 6Gb to Ryzen 5600X/Arc A770 16Gb. Do you believe that 5600x will do the job with the Arc Gpu or i will have bottleneck problems/limited performance on gaming?

@stroyerb

2 ай бұрын

No bottleneck, pretty good combo. I’d recommend a 6700xt instead though.

yeah i have a 5600x and in wqhd benches i never saw huge upgrade for the 5800x3d, will probably get a new pc in 3-4 years then am5, wonder how that will change with the new gpu, i have a 1 week old 4070ti super

love the way you explain this

What is the software you use for the CPU and GPU timeings as in the cod test?

@Fergutor

5 ай бұрын

It's an option in the game itself. I have it in Spanish but probably is: Options -> Interface -> Telemetry

how are you getting 30something fps at 1080p on a 3070 in MSFS? I have seen benchmarks where you could achieve playable framerates at 1440p on this card.

@davidnott_

3 ай бұрын

I run a TONNE of add ons. A lot of MSFS benchmarks you see on KZread are from people that are simply benchmarking the game in its out of the box state. Whereas I run an entire separate KZread channel dedicated to it, so run non-default planes, airports and various other realise enhancing mods

Tks for the update, I would probably get a 5700x3d now, the issue is AM4 platform is limiting future upgrades now as I use an older MB that does not support PCI gen4. I would say that people with anything equal or lower than ryzen 3000 generation probably will see a great improvement ...

Great video ! subbed, Please as i'm having the same 5600X and wanting to upgrade to the 5700X3D/5800X3D in the future , can you test PUBG ? it's a very heavy CPU game, and i really need to see if it is really worth it to upgrade :)

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

I don’t own PUBG, sorry!

@atiagooqkinguliaalu4027

5 ай бұрын

​@@davidnott_ its now a free game

One thing to also keep in mind is that even if GPU limited, many games will have sprcific parts that will ask for way more out of your CPU, and in those times you can appreciate the gains. Namely, in cybperpunk benchmark there will not be much cpu limitation but in the intensive parts where there are tons of animations and NPC's, youd likely note quite the difference.

@Bdot888

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Those better 1% percent lows really come in handy with the 5800x3d. I rarely feel any noticeable drops nowadays. Smooth like butter cpu

I really appreciate that you're not using the highest quality preset but actually work at around framerates we would be aiming to play on

I’m a flight simmer, too, thanks for the video. Doesn’t it get very hot compared to the 5600 X?

I have a question. how does the 5600x compare to the 10900/10900k?

How do I measure CPU/GPU frame times? I've been searching info online but can't find much information as to how to actually do it. I wanna figure out if I should upgrade my CPU or my GPU first.

@angeldust1732

21 күн бұрын

MSI afterburner

Is the 5600X going to hold up or should I get 5800X3D incase fo future GPU uprgade RTX5000 or RX 8000???

What momitoring software was used?

I have the 5600x3d, upgraded from a 5600x. Was able to get it for $156, and sell the 5600x for $100 flat. Fallout 4 minimums went from 58 to 88. Excited to see what you get on a 4080 super

This video is exactly what I needed, was also debating a 5800X3D or going all out with AM5. Think I'll just pick up a 5800X3D and wait for the next generation of chips.

@jocerv43

5 ай бұрын

I went from a 5800x to the 3d variant, was thinking of going 7800x3d then decided on 7900x since the difference isn’t as big at 1440p (I have 1440p ultrawide so even less) and has more cores at the same price (Amazon). While trying to pick out a motherboard to pair with it, I had a dejavu moment to Ryzen 1000, having to deal with QVL with Ram, and just ddr5/bios creating instability a year after being released. For reference, most of the boards I looked at had a bios update in September-October and everything else between there and now being labeled Beta. The Reddit threads talking about some of these beta bios versions bricking their boards and eventually being deleted off their downloads page. Did not inspire confidence in the current offerings, now waiting on what the improvements the refresh (assuming that’s what we’ll get) brings. Absolute horror stories of boot times being longer than windows on a spinning hard drive and it being a normal occurrence. One guy was praising a bios update that cut his boot time from 2 minutes to 30 seconds lmao.

@puffyips

5 ай бұрын

@@jocerv43this was a none issue after the 2nd/3rd bios update not even a year after way sooner

@puffyips

5 ай бұрын

@@jocerv43should’ve gone 7800x3d too lol damn man

I copped a 5800X3D along with a 4070 back in December and it does everything I want at 1080p. I'm able to max out my monitor in more or less everything I play with the right settings. I loved my 5600X and it served me well but the upgrade is nothing to scoff at

@Bdot888

4 ай бұрын

Yeah thats a great combo! Especially since the 5800x3d shines best at 1080p. I have mine paired with a 4070ti at 1440p but i still notice the difference in better 1% lows

Hello, I have a 5600X + 1070. I want to upgrade to the 7900XT. Will I find a bottleneck with the 5600X? At a display resolution of 1440

i have a 5600 and 3060. I only play D4 right now at 1080p but ended up getting a 5700x3d at a great price and will keep it for a long time which should help with newer games and allow for at least one more major gpu upgrade

Nice video I'm going to get a 5800x 3d and not move to am5 yet with a 7900xtx Thanks for the info I look forwward to seeing the 4080 super.

@davidnott_

4 ай бұрын

Video is already up 🙂

Is it worth it for Forza Motorsport 8? Its optimization is horrible and I have frame drops every few seconds which sucks for online racing. (I currently have 5600x and 4070 Super)

just got a 4080 super myself and have a 7600x so interested tl see future testing

@tmtltn

5 ай бұрын

7600x is amazing CPU. For 6 cores 12 threads can handle every title easily. For gaming you don’t need more cores, above 6 is overkill,specially with these bad optimised games.

@trivium2590

5 ай бұрын

@@tmtltn this is true but to run programs in the background its better to have more available.

I m building a new system 1440p, i usally play mmorgs and some 3A games, my limit on money in gpu is 4070, question is what cpu is best combo 7600 or 7800x3d? (i heard 7800x3d helps a lot in mmorgs is it true?)

@bal7ha2ar

5 ай бұрын

the 7600x would probably be a better match for the 4070 but the 7800x3d is still worth it imo. the price/performance and efficiency is incredible. maybe this video helps you with your decision: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zn2ek6Wxlq7XZso.html

I planed to upgrade 2400G to 5700X3D? Any suggestions? I have RTX 3060ti

@asoidfhowehjr8248

4 ай бұрын

I went from a 3600 to a 5700X3D and my FPS in games like Overwatch, Valorant, CS2 more than doubled! Absolutely worth it for me. Even if you don't play much heavy CPU demanding games you'll def see an improvement!

@NGreedia

4 ай бұрын

@@asoidfhowehjr8248which graphics card? I figure my 3060 won’t see much improvement as it’s an entry level gpu

OMG we have very similar systems, except io run with 16gb ddr4 3600, gpu 3070... thanks for this!! I had been trying to decide on saving my AM4 an going 5800x3d vs AM5 7800x3d, obviously best bang for my dollar is WAITING for the newer platform AM5 boards and deciding on cpu/gpu then

Informative. thank

Im wondering how big is the difference between 5800X3D and 5700X3D in Warzone 3 with same gpu that you have?

@davidnott_

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I wonder the same. I suspect not a tonne. Maybe when I’m a big time KZreadr I’ll buy them all and test haha

I did the same upgrade last year and it was totally worth it, especially if u do some occasional streaming like I do.

I've had my 5800x since November 2021, paired with an Asus B550m, 3060ti, 32gb ram, gen4 nvme. I built before the 3d chips came out. Have thought about upgrading to the 5800x3d or the 5950x. But really, no need. The tiny improvements wouldn't be worth the money. 5950x would be cool for the faster video rendering times, but it's fast enough as is. I'll wait for AM6.

The 5600X is only $119.99 right now. Killer deal for a budget gaming rig.

@bmsuperstar1

6 күн бұрын

Yeah, and 5600x won't even bottleneck 7800xt unless you're playing competitive e-games, or what not. At 1440p, ultra settings, 5600x is just fine with a slightly high end GPU for a 120-140hz monitor. Getting X3D is just not worth it in that case. Even 5500 will serve you just fine.

@nikosensei1258

5 күн бұрын

7500f is 140-150$ here😅

I had a 5800X and got a good deal on a 5800X3D a while back. It made a noticeable difference to MSFS... But I just upgraded from my 3070 (which is all I could get during the GPU famine a few years back) to a 4080 Super. I nearly always use VR in MSFS and before, whatever adjustment I made, I was always squeezing every last drop out of my system... the 4080 Super was like lifting a weight off my shoulders.... 30fps with judders instantly became 65fps without. I have now been able to activate things I had forgotten about long ago like ambient occlusion (which adds contrast to the scenery and makes the instrument panel come to life), raymarched reflections (which brings the Downtown Manhattan skyline to life - reflected in the water!)...not to mention shadow maps up to 4096 and a whole host of things I had to do without, but that add immensley to the experience. With everything cranked up, I haven't been able to force it below 30fps yet, but noticeably, it is the smoothness that has massively improved. And I haven't even touched on 2D with DLSS Frame Generation ON. Double frame rate with no real loss of quality (as long as you don't use the built in FPS counter that only shows pre-frame generation figures of course - Afterburner overlay is fine)... You are going to love your 4080 Super! I had to upgrade my PSU so as to prevent any awkward fire type incidents but otherwise, it is brilliant (approx £500 too much, but brilliant)

@strongforce8466

5 ай бұрын

Cool but even with that CPU you're a bit CPU limited, I'd say 4080/7900xtx and above need a last gen CPU X3d AMD or intel to make the most out of it

It was day and night difference for me in games like Escape from Tarkov when I upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d. Also those stutters in Baldurs Gate 3rd act were gone.

Excellent contents. Instead of getting a new 5800X3D, I got a 2nd hand 5900x to remove the CPU bottleneck

showing benchmarks at 1080p low would have been more relevant since you would have been less gpu limited. great video

Hi David, very useful thank you. I have an old system now (5 years): i9-9900k & RTX2080ti, and I will be upgrading this year with a new system. I am looking to change to AMD, so which chip and which graphics card 🤔

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

AMD just for the CPU? I’ve got a 4080 super arriving in the next few hours so I’ll be sure to share numbers.

@Peter-55

5 ай бұрын

@@davidnott_ I am looking at a 7800X3D, maybe a 7950X3D, system with a RTX4080 super or RTX4090, if I can afford it!

@el_loc

5 ай бұрын

@@Peter-55 Are you just gaming? Because if so the 7800X3D is probably the better option out of the two cpu's

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

7800X3D would make sense if you’re only gaming. Just installed the 4080 super tonight, so happy with it - video soon!

@Peter-55

5 ай бұрын

@@el_loc Hi, yes mostly gaming, I agree the 7800X3D looks best.

this is useful for me as I have a 5700x paired with a 6950 xt currently but have been eyeing to get the 5800x3d for the longest time but the price never came down until recently when they introduced the 5700x3d, its priced very well right now

@SiliconPower74

5 ай бұрын

Your CPU is fine, keep it until you can get an used 5800X 3D for dirt cheap. Not worthy it to spend +250$ in a 10% improvement

@ObsidianSoul1

5 ай бұрын

@@SiliconPower74 cpu is fine yes I know I do exclusively play at 1440p ^^

@ryzen89

4 ай бұрын

​@nPower74 Agreed. I'll scoop it for $150 on the used market in 2-3 years. Sell my 5600x for $50. The $280 they want for it right now? Is better spent on the upcoming Ryzen 9000, and jump to AM5.

upgraded my sons pc from a 3700x to the 5800x3d, but not his video card yet (2070 super), so not too much of an improvement yet. when the next round of GPU's come out, he will get a nice bump in performance.

almost the same perf as mine 12700k with ddr5 and 6900xt in wz. I had an 5800x3d back in the day and compared it to mine 12700k and 12900k(b-die ddr4) and was impressed how good it was, but ddr5 changed it all, remember that zen4 is still basically zen3 but with more level 2 cache and ddr5 memory support and it is basically as fast as the 5800x3d. a friend of mine upgraded like a year ago to an 5800x3d from an 1600 and he was supper happy, still is. he then upgraded from the 3060ti to an 7900xtx and the alienware 165hz qd-oled. Pretty sure his am4 sys will keep up with most modern cpus for a long time to come at higher graphical settings. but personally I hate the emtpy map runs, all u get to see is the best case scenario, not really like if one looked at the sky or an ocean view but almost, one should also include a view in the middle of it, in action and with more objects/players on. Sure it increases the load on the gpu but also the cpu.

I upgrade my 5950x system with some Gskill 3600 c14-14-14 royal memory. A massive upgrade in games as well on the desktop, zen 3 is severely mem limited. And it shows. I compaired my upgraded system with a 7950X3D and didn`t feel the need to change, the difference was minimal.

Would you say the same thing about the 5600G?

@saltee_crcker2363

5 ай бұрын

5600g is a cezanne chip vs the 5600/5600x which are vermeer chips. the 5600g is the same chip as the 5500 which has the gpu cores disabled, these have 16mb L3 cache vs 32mb cache on the vermeer 5600/5600x. the 5600g and 5500 both perform very near the 5600 and within 10-15% of the 5600x depending on workload. i went with the 5500 myself as paying 80% more for the 5600x made no sense to me for an extra 10-15% performance. i lock my fps to my monitors 75mhz refresh and at 1080/1440p i have yet to bottleneck the cpu paired with an rx 6650xt. same applies if i uncap the fps... my upgrade path if i keep the 6650xt gpu will be a 5700x tops as anything faster i will not see much of a difference as i will be gpu limited.

I have a 7800xt paired with an 5800x ( not 3d) and i am contantly CPU Bottlenecked in Jedi Survivor Hogwarts Legacy or Cyberpunk. Especially when i turn on RT Reflections in Cyberpunk and i then turn on FSR i dont get a single FPS more because my CPU is fuming Thinking of upgrading to the x3D but i wait for FSR 3 implementation and see if they get rid of that problem for me or if i have to do something about it

Back when 5000 series released, looking for an upgrade from 2600X while I was thinking about 5600x or 5800x in the end I got 5900x because of the much larger L3 Cache 64MB and I this is the reason why I am not moving to DDR5 yet. Because of issues with 7000 series and the windows thread director, I will probably be waiting for 9800x3D or 9900x which will release toward end of 2024 if rumors are true, and provide substantial IPC gains. Regarding 5800x3D my opinion is that it is a great choice for a DDR4 platform upgrade if you have a really powerful GPU and want to push competitive high-fps titles. For example, a friend who is a competitive player of COD Warzone went through a few upgrades and lastly got RTX4070 Super but will upgrade 5800x for a 5800x3D to get from ~160fps (currently) to ~200fps (educated estimate) without having to transition to a DDR5 platform.

I did the same upgrade about 6 months ago because the 5800X3D was on sale for an unbelievable deal (CDN$249). Now, the 5600X was working OK but I'm also an avid Star Citizen player which requires a lot of CPU power, so I went for it. No regrets ; love my 5800X3D. The 5600X got handed-down into my daughter's computer, so she's happy too.

Did you change your cooler?

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Nope, reused my ID cooling tower cooler. Seems fine 🙂

Going from 6c/12t to 8c/16t for daily use feels like a massive jump. Completely worth it even without the 3d cache.

I've got a very similar case. I've got the Radeon RX 7900xtx with Ryzen 5 5600 for playing both in 1080p and 4K and considering to go with 4800x3d or go straight to AM5.

@strongforce8466

5 ай бұрын

if you want a quick fix 5800x3d for sure, but otherwise just wait for Zen 5 X3d which may be a while though.. Also make sure you have dual rank memory either 2x16gb or 4x8gb

Indeed. I've been playing 4k exclusively for the past several years, and currently running a 5800X, paired with 32Gb dual-rank 3600MHz RAM and a 3080 Ti. No point in updating the CPU, only to AM5 later this year, perhaps. Even the 7600X would do just fine.

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Yep, I’d agree with you for the most part, though flight sim needs every last drop of CPU it can get, and unfortunately for me, that’s my main game!

@OrcCorp

5 ай бұрын

@@davidnott_ Yes, for a specific use case the 580X3D is among the best gaming CPUs on the market, and the price is pretty good nowadays. That said, in general, when playing only in 4K, most people are better off saving money on the CPU and putting more bang on the GPU. For example, a modern DDR5 system with a 7600X and a 4080 would run any modern game in 4K very well. My 6yo son has a system with a 5600X and a 3070 I built him last summer, and that system is a beast machine for many years to come, especially in 1440p.

Coincidently I am about to almost the same (except with 5700x3D) upgrade, just because I play a lot of World of Warcraft which INSANELY benefits from 3D cache. And it will help a lot in other games, like Stellaris.

@Bdot888

4 ай бұрын

Perfect games to flex the 3DVcache!

I just got into PC building/gaming over the last year. I currently have the same chip 5600x/B550 MB and 3060ti FE. Mid tier set up i guess. Was thinking of upgrading to 5800x3d/7900xtx. Or maybe just use 5600x/7900xtx??

@jimski5358

5 ай бұрын

Get the gpu and wait for zen 5 for your cpu upgrade is what I'm doing , I have a 5600x and 7900xtx and at 4k its ok not worth staying on am4 imo

@jaz97

5 ай бұрын

@jimski5358 thx

YOu should try CPU dependent games. That's where you see the difference. Like I did the exact same upgrade specifally for Escape from Tarkov and the performance jump is actually INSANE

I just upgraded from 2600X to 5600X...is there another upgrade path for me?

@garysgreat1

5 ай бұрын

Yes. You can get any higher tier AM4 CPU. Depending on your main use senario, you can go for a CPU with more cores for productivity, or in my case, I got the 5800X 3D and paired it with a 4070 ti. I have a great gaming experience at 1440p! Note. You may need to upgrade your Motherboard bios, if you upgrade your CPU. Worth checking.

Im ready to watch this experiment with the 4080 and see how much of a difference. 😊

@davidnott_

5 ай бұрын

Working on it 🙂

For me it would make total sense from 5800x as I play AAC, EA WRC, DR 2.0 in left seat with COD on my desk when I take a break, 1 system both games running. Haven't changed yet, no need and cash saved buys more solar stuff. Thanks for the up to date comparison, Nott.

I still use radeon vii with i7 8700k for 1440p do you think it's bottlenecking the radeon vii

@MarkLikesCoffee860

5 ай бұрын

It would be best if we explain how to answer your question yourself so you can learn how to spot bottlenecks in the future. You need to add an overlay to show your GPU usage and a breakdown of your CPU usage showing what each CPU core is doing while gaming. If the GPU is near 100% then you don't need a CPU upgrade. If your GPU usage is much lower then it's being held back by the CPU. The 8700K has 6 cores so check if any of them have utilization near 90% or above. Don't look at the overall CPU utilization because that doesn't mean anything unless all cores are maxed out.

are you still using single fan air cooler with it? or is it recommended to get a dual fan one?

@stuffmcstuff399

5 ай бұрын

Peerless Assassin 120 SE will work wonders with 5800x3d and is cheap!

what cpu you suggest for an rtx 4070? r 5 5600 or 5800x3d?

@davidnott_

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t go 5600. I had a 5600x and upgraded from a 3070 to. 4070 and noticed little difference in warzone and flight sim, my two main games.

@petermolnar8401

3 ай бұрын

@@davidnott_ bottlenec at cpu heavy games?

i have currently a r5 5600x and a rx6800 on 1080p. Im not sure if i upgrade my cpu to 5800x3d or my display.

@MarkLikesCoffee860

5 ай бұрын

If the rx6800 is maxed out near 100% then you don't need a 5800x3d. If the 5600x is bottlenecked then the rx6800 won't be able to reach anywhere near 100% and will be much lower. You need to enable the overlays like the guy in the video did. He explained how to spot a bottleneck. This video is for our benefit so we can learn how to spot a bottleneck.

I'm currently on a 5700X and 7800XT combo and loving it (started with 2700X and RX 580). But I rarely play competitive games and everthing above 90 fps is smooth enough for me. I don't know if upgrading to the 5800X3D would make a noticable difference... monitor is 1440p 144Hz

I went from a 3700x to a 5800x3d with my 2070super and got in most games round about 10 percent more fps because my gpu finally runs at 100 percent now, while the 5800x3d barely hits like 35 percent. I am planning to get a new GPU later this year to unveil the full potencial of this CPU. Looking at the games I am playing at the moment it is not really necessary and I am pretty happy to have little better fps and a way smoother experience for now. Spending just 300$ to squeeze one more potencial GPU upgrade out of my current system was well worth it imo, considering I likely won't have much time to play video games in the future anyway.

boys help me out i have just bought 4080 super suprim X i had a 3070ti so i made a upgrade but my Cpu is 5800x and i dont wanna change the motherboard for another cpu am5 so i have am4 socket does it worth buying 5800x3d for upgrade my 5800x ? as i can see i have some bottleneck call of duty gpu is 3ms which is super fast my cpu around 6ms so i have a huge bottleneck but still i got 300 fps with dlss framegen and my gaming is so smooth in CSgo i got 300 plus in all maps so as i have 240 hz monitor i do get more than 240 fps in everygame i play should i still consider getting 5800x3d for another %10 %15 fps increase ? Thanks in advance.

@reizanaliu

5 ай бұрын

If you play COD buy the 5800x3d without fear. You will gain 50% more fps.

@kahvituttaa545

5 ай бұрын

I have rtx3070 and 5800x both are very good and optimized, but i dont thing u results will change at all with 5800x3d.. in some games 5800x3d is 1% faster but i thing cs was game where u got more fps with normal 5800x. I say i will stay 5800x for rest of am4 but if u feel and want 3d version just do it man! I dont thing u gonna regret it.. it is nice cpu :)

@strongforce8466

5 ай бұрын

Save for zen 5 X3d to be honest, make sure you running dual rank memory : 2x16 or 4x8gb with decent speed/timings

@cartuber1570

5 ай бұрын

@@strongforce8466 i got 2x16gb

Nice. Ive debated the upgrade for over a year as I have a 3700X paired with a 3080FE 10GB. I tend to play at 1440P high settings and typically GPU bound but there are some games I'm cpu bound in. I hardly ever play low setting competitive games where having a better CPU really shines. Im now also considering the 5700X3D.

@TheVanillatech

5 ай бұрын

Last chance saloon if you want a new one, with all the goodness of the warranty etc. They won't be around for much longer.

@Paulie8K

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheVanillatechTrue. I'll decide by the Spring. I could sell my 3700X and my Meta Quest 2 (upgraded to the 3) and pretty much upgrade for free so I may go that route.

Hmmm I have a 7800xt with a 5600x , wondering if I should get a 5800x3D then ..

I'm currently running a r5 5600x with an RX6600 GPU and I was planning to upgrade to a 5800x3d down the line to not need to upgrade anything else. If anything this video kinda reinforced my decision, though I would upgrade my GPU first, probably to a 7700xt

@daytimerocker3808

5 ай бұрын

wont see any benefit from that cpu u can handle a much better gpu

@SM-qp4qw

5 ай бұрын

​@@daytimerocker3808 This video proves that point I would say.

Hello i have b450m motherboard ryzen 2700x and gtx 1650 can i upgrade to 5800x3d and 4060 with no motherboard change?

@MarkLikesCoffee860

5 ай бұрын

Yes but you could have found that out by looking at the website of your motherboard manufacturer. Look up this information before you purchase anything. It will tell you which BIOS versions are compatible with the 5800x3d.

I see most difference is in multiplayer shooters, noticeable here in warzone. Can you test pubg, apex and similar fps games as there are most visible performance boost?

In cpu-limited games where that massive 96MB of cache can be fully utilized the X3D CPUs are unrivaled. I made the move from the 3800 XT to the 5800x3D last summer and as many have said and this video proves the biggest improvements will be averages and 1% lows. Take a game like No Man's Sky that can be seriously cpu-limited in certain areas. These are the types of games where the X3D chips improve your experience noticeably.

I gained a average of 20 fps with the same upgrade the problem is his temps must be high. U need a aio to keep the x3d cpu’s cool bc the cache is very temp sensitive

Is that an ak400? I got the same

I went from a 5600x w/ a 6700XT to a 5900x and noticed next to no improvement in the FPS drops I would get in BF4. I then bought a 6900XT better but still these dips. Wasn't till I found a open box 5800X3D that I noticed a good improvement in my 1% lows. I then sold it a few weeks later for an excellent combo price and bought a 7600X/X670 combo for the same price.

On the D4 test, I'd say ~20fps on the 1% low is a big improvement. You're more likely to notice the 1% low than the .1% just off of the rate of occurrence. I just bought a 5800X3D myself, albeit because for some reason, 4 cores of my 5700G decided to retire.

I have a 16gb RTX 4060ti with a 5800X3D and they have been brilliant. I paid £420 for the GPU and £235 for the CPU.

As someone who bought a 5800x3D from a 5600x last summer and bought a 4080 super on launch day, i think youll be pleased with what it can do lol

I recently got a great deal on an ibuypower machine with a 5700 and a 12 gig 3060 for 100 bucks. Using it as a secondary machine running Linux but there's a part of me tempted to throw in a 5950x and swap the cooler with an AIO to see what it can do.......altho that means I would prolly need a GPU swap to make it worthwhile as well.

@THESHADOW97139

5 ай бұрын

Work : ok Gaming : no