Pens fan here. I love Crosby, and I don't think our teams gonna have much sudden success. He can absolutely go somewhere else and no one here would burn a jersey or anything. He is a champion of this city and can do no wrong.

@DirtyMoneyHipHop

8 күн бұрын

Agreed, that's what most sensible people should conclude. 3 cups and all of the other accolades, nothing left to prove. I'm interested to see how this all plays out, but he can't make a wrong choice at this point in my opinion. Cheers

@maxmarsula299

8 күн бұрын

Not a single jersey would burn. It would be the same situation as fleurry. Hes still beloved here

I always thought Quick would be a King for life, but then he was traded. Same with Stamkos and the Lightning. So, I can't honestly say any particular player will stay with their team for their entire careers anymore.

"Kyle Dubas doesn't have a plan." Call me shocked.

@FloridaHockeyFan

9 күн бұрын

the plan was give it a go a few more times with crosby and the core. Once that failed its time to trade their aging players and collect picks for the future.

@heikkivitikka2678

8 күн бұрын

Plan is trade badly and sign old players making Penguins suck. These things will make Crosby easier to leave. Rebuild is close

@wizzerwiser2056

8 күн бұрын

Yes he does. It's called the Shanaplan and it always fails.

Penguins fan here: Would it surprise us if Crosby goes elsewhere at the end? No. But it would hurt like hell

@BossSpraker

6 күн бұрын

it would be surprising considering its literally not gonna happen

Crosby is a Canadian from Nova Scotia - he was born never to complain.

He's got a choice - he can finish his career there and help out some of the kids, or he can go for another Stanley Cup. In my view, if he really wants to help the Penguins organization, he'd ask for a trade to a contender so that he can get a shot at a final Cup AND Pittsburgh can get some assets for him to help with the rebuild. Sure, it's cute when a player wants to play their entire career in one place, but when they'd be really helping their franchise (and I'm not a penguins fan) if they let themselves be traded to another team, obviously to a team that has a chance to win. That way everyone's happy. Martin St. Louis was trade to the Rangers, but while he never won a Cup there, the Bolts got a 1st, a 2nd and their future captain Ryan Callahan. As a fan of the Canucks, I would have liked to have seen the Sedins move on to a contender and won a Cup elsewhere while we got a few draft picks in return. The Sedins deserved a Cup ring, and it would have been nice to get more assets. I still hope for the best for Bo Horvat. At this point, everyone is leaving the team that drafted them for more money, so I don't hold grudges anymore. If I did that, I'd have to stop watching hockey altogether.

@sj4iy

6 күн бұрын

The pens would not receive anywhere near the value in a trade that Crosby brings already. If he moved, it would be to a contender. You don’t build a new team with 30th overall picks. Crosby puts fans in seats, win or lose. He’s a veteran captain who can help teach upcoming players while keeping the pens competitive. Rebuilds aren’t guarantees of success. It doesn’t matter if they start now or later…which, btw, they’ve already started. The logic makes no sense. He’s more helpful staying. He’s also declared over and over that he wants to finish his career here.

I think him staying with the Penguins is what matters the most to him, if I had to guess.

"Kyle doesnt do anything bold"... Erik Karlsson. Just one of many things wrong with this clip.

@J.G.Wentworth69420

9 күн бұрын

Bold isn't the same as idiotic.

@mossly9785

9 күн бұрын

Oh yeah, that's right, Erik Karlsson helped them get into the playoffs and go on a deep run this year. 😅

@QuarisDoma

2 күн бұрын

Dubas definitely has a plan too, youth and role injection. News is slow in the offseason.

I love Toronto logic. In spite of acknowledging that the Pens have a large fanbase and a five championships in the last 30 years, players should not want to play there. Yet Toronto fans will also tell you that players should naturally want to come to the Leafs, in spite of it being a notorious pressure cooker and no championships in the last 50 years.

@mossly9785

9 күн бұрын

Nobody said that. If you have a problem with it, it's your own logic because you're putting words in other people's mouths, so ultimately you have a problem with yourself

@wizzerwiser2056

8 күн бұрын

Toronto was suppose to sign a ton of free agents and many of them had no interest in coming to the T-Dot.

I never thought Patrick Kane would play anywhere but Chicago and now he's with Detroit and as a Wings fan I'm happy as hell he's on the team but it still feels weird seeing him in the Winged Wheel instead of in Hawks gear.

Ovechkin and his 13 year, $124 million deal

Payton manning walked away from the field with a trophy in hand, and there's a non-zero chance landeskog is about to do the same

I’m a long long time penguin fan since about 1970. Been very fortunate to see five Stanley Cups in my lifetime. The current rendition of the Penguins with or without Crosby isn’t very good. While I would love to see him stay here his entire career I think that it would be best for the team and for Sid to move on.

Crosby isn't a veteran looking for his first championship. He's literally done it all when it comes to hockey. He's got a house in Pittsburgh, friends, family. He's built a life in Pitt and I think it just comes down to him wanting to stay there. Also, Chris Kunitz had 4 Stanley Cups in the salary cap era. Which is one more than 3.

@afzalhakeen4941

2 күн бұрын

he still have to beat the great ovi in all hockey goals but it will never happen , crosby will be always number 2 behind ovie in my eyes

As a Washington Capitals fan, he had better finish it in Pitt. We need to see this story arc through. If he ever gets traded or signed by someone else, I will personally see to it that that organization burns.

@garrettarm

7 күн бұрын

Penguins fan here. Yes, you better believe we are gonna give Ovie the best standing ovation as his career winds down. He might be shocked from all the boos he received in the past. But, greatness is greatness, and we've both certainly been lucky.

@jacobeberhardt1649

7 күн бұрын

@@garrettarm Brother, it's been great to grow up in this era. Fantastic 20 years.

I love people keep thinking they're done. There's absolutely still a chance for this group. Sid's staying and he still has a chance at 4.

0:17 To be fair to Dubas he traded a third for Reilly smith and then after Smith sucked and his value plummeted, he retained 1.25 in a trade that got back a second and conditional fifth when they had plenty of cap space to work with. That’s an okay acquisition followed by a better exit trade

Sid will never be seen in an NHL jersey other than a Penguins jersey. Ever.

Zetterberg LTIRetired Datsyuk retired early and his rights were traded to AZ where he never played.

Caps fan here. What if…Crosby to the Caps?

>Mentions Kobe Bryant >"Slow burn out LOL

@J.G.Wentworth69420

9 күн бұрын

Gay

To be fair, Dubas is in a tough spot. They dhould be rebuilding but he cant do that with Malkin and Crosby still in the mix.They are in no man's land. Not bad enough to draft high and not good enough to make the playoffs. All thhe years of trading picks to make cup runs has left the cupboards bare.

@kvetch23

8 күн бұрын

Whether Crosby stays or goes elsewhere, Dubas should hire a GM to make the decisions on how it's done.

@KyleMacSkill

8 күн бұрын

They had no business missing the playoffs last year. He went out ans traded for Karlsson when they needed forward depth and a stay at home dman but he likes the flashy moves even when they don't make sense. Same thing when he signed Tavares when his age didn't fit the timeline of the young core Lou drafted and developed

Yinz fundamentally misunderstand Pittsburghers if you think we don’t value *our guys* retiring as *our guys* above their winning elsewhere… Sid’s one of us. He stays with us.

@adamlewis5700

9 күн бұрын

Pittsburgher here and I'm not sure I agree. I think that might be true in the moment ala James Harrison. Left for Cincy for a bit, then came back to Pittsburgh for another season. All was forgiven. But then he went to the Patriots and everyone hated him for like 3 years. Even though Harrison lost the SB that year in a Pats uniform, he was still generally disliked. Now he's kind of a folk hero again and he spends tons of time at the Steelers facility working out, helping out as an assistant, and doing stuff. The anger faded away and he's generally beloved again. He's Deebo. He's our Deebo. I think it would be the same if Crosby opted to leave. It would stink and there would be some bad feelings at first, but his number would be retired soon after. And he's almost a candidate to have the HOF waiting time waived. He's a Penguins for life no matter where he finishes.

@chriskarafinski2640

8 күн бұрын

As a pittsburgher I also disagree, the prime example is Jagr. Left played for a whole bunch of teams, and yet when he returned to have his jersey retired look at how the city responded to him.

Toronto has been in the 2nd round once since 2003. I think Matthews should sign with another team.

As a Penguins fan going to games starting in 1967 I hope Sid retires a Penguin. If Canada can get a goalie, he is sure to win two more World championships regardless of his NHL team. Should he decide he wants to leave Pittsburgh to chase more SC's, I will be disappointed, but not hate on that so long as he gets traded vice just walking away next year for nothing. If he chooses to leave Pens it seems out of character IMO for him though as he would be abandoning Geno and Letang who he lobbied behind the scenes for Pens to retain. Most notably Malkin over Vince Trocheck who is a yinzer, younger and cheaper and better at this stage and wanted to sign with Pens at the time.

@pucks_pups

9 күн бұрын

Right I'm like ... Do you people understand this man he is going to retire a Penguin

Alex devlecchio detroit 24 years he stayed on the team

@JaredLS10

9 күн бұрын

He was the coach for a couple seasons at the same time.

Crosby in a Habs jersey would be a beautiful thing. And Steve please let Adam and Jesse get a full sentence out before trying to interrupt

It was Sid who flew to Florida to convince Malkin to resign the night before free agency. It was Sid who talked with letang. Does anyone really think he would do that and then leave?

For all the folks all in on let's get the rebuid started ASAP, how is that working out for Maple Leaf's after their SC win in 1967? Back then there were only 12 teams. Sabres and Canucks joined the league in 1970. Like Leaf's no cups between them since 1967. NOT bashing on those teams. Just pointing out that that there are no guarantees with a quick build or rebuild. Especially now in a 32 team league that may expand.

They probably don't know it but they were quoting TS Eliot and his poem 'The Hollow Men.'

They need to do one of these about Ovechkin and the Caps. The record is great and all, but it’s hurting the team imo.

Habs will signed Sydney Crosby next summer 3 years and will play with a lot of young talent and will bring a cup to Canada

dubas has got a plan actually it just requires some patience, relax, stop crying because he left the maple syrups lol

Flyers sign him one year 14 million with a new must-trade clause and the team trading for him activates a three-year 8,7 million contract

Sydney do the same thing than tavares he go play for is kid dream team Montréal Canadien

Does anyone know, when the Amazon Prime NHL, like NFL Hard Knocks is airing? Or know the name of the show, so I can Google it.

Crosby maybe call Ovechkin about playing with Washington?

PAT MAROON 3 Time Stanley Cup champ... put some respect on that name

Zetterberg never went to Arizona. In any form.

Pens fans want what is best for our stars. It hurt a bit when Jake left, but we were happy for him. I think many of us are fine with Sid going to CO.

I would have no issue if Sid went to the Avs or Montreal. But there are some jerseys I never want him to wear. That being said, he loved Steve Y and lived with Mario. Sid will be resigning with the pens.

Pitt would rebuild much faster with the assets from a Crosby trade

sign contracts as percentage of salary cap? as cap goes up, salary goes up to the same percentage of cap?

The best thing Pittsburgh can do is sell Malkin and Crosby while they still have value for draft picks. And give them a last run elsewhere

I hope he finishes his career with the penguins. When his contract is up I'm sure dubas will give him 11 000 000 a year

Would love to see him and nate play but the avs can't afford him

As a pens fan, the expectation for Crosby and the penguins is playoffs. If they don’t at least get to that bar this year, I expect him to be gone. Dubas needs to make another splash trade this year, Karlsson was great but he doesn’t fit the system, he needs to get a guy that fits the system

If he leaves Pittsburgh it’ll be like when Lebron left the Cavs

They need to trade Malkin, Letang, and Crosby. They probably all have NTCs, but they actually still have value. In a few years they'll all be worthless, and the Pens won't have another cup. All good though if that's what they prefer. They've all had success and are HOFers, so nothing left to prove. They can go out on their own terms and I respect whatever decision each of them comes to. Cheers

it was Datsyuk who had his rights traded to Arizona not Zetterberg. Probably need to research this kind of thing before you do the show.

@wizzerwiser2056

8 күн бұрын

You think these guys follow hockey outside of the Maple Leafs.

I heard Sid’s leaving the NHL completely to play in the 3-on3 MLH. People are saying. Hearing rumblings.

@BossSpraker

6 күн бұрын

mlh isnt even real. its a scam that someone made

few superstars stay whole career with same team?

Why on earth would Letang and Malkin have to leave to retain Crosby? Theyre both locked in at 6.1M aav How the hell do you guys know so little about non leaf related hockey but somehow have a hockey show?

@dunphy8717

6 күн бұрын

I would rather never ever make another playoff game than see Sid play somewhere else. The Penguins have won more championships than any non original 6 team in the cap era. Leaf fans don’t understand loyalty because you guys push out every single star player that’s ever played there.

@QuarisDoma

2 күн бұрын

They seem confused and off about "facts". Hungover?

Rangers sign him please

Crosby would look good in Victory Green. Bring him to Dallas

There are certainly players that went to play elsewhere and had it tarnish their reputation. Gerry Cheevers comes to mind as a big one. A lot of Bruins fans blame him going to the WHA and breaking up the Bruins core as a big part of why they only won 2 cups during the Orr era. Now Boston is weird and doesn't have any goalie numbers retired despite having had some of the best goalies ever. So him not having his number retired isn't a direct display of that. But all of the other meaningful guys from that era have retired numbers. He's a glaring exception and him playing somewhere else is a big part of it.

I think Shane Doan stayed with his team the whole time. Doan never left his team. YES, he went from Winnipeg to Arizona, but that wasn't the same thing. The whole team was moved so Shane Doan stayed with his team his whole career. So, I'm gonna throw Doan out there on that list, no?

what did he do before the "golden goal" absolutely nothing! stop putting him on this pedestal that he won us the gold medal!

realistically if we do end up trading crosby, what would his return be? hes still a top 5 player in the league, and no way does dubas let him go for nothing

Gonna say this first, it'll never happen ever. Wouldn't it be wild to see sid and ovi on the same team for one last run? Even if they dont win the cup, would it have any negative on their career in any way? Im gonna say no, they are generational talents

Absolutely not. He isn’t leaving, and no penguins fan would want him to leave???

Fascinating topics that were brought up, really. The discussion around a player's "legacy" when it comes to being one of the greats and staying with one team vs leaving is definitely a head-scratcher, because it DOES come up all the time, in every major sport, and I don't know why because essentially ZERO all-time greats in any major sport have ever had a legacy that is talked about as lessened because of leaving their original team, with MAYBE one exception, and that's Lebron James (and even Lebron, the most unfairly hated/criticized athlete in the history of the world, doesn't really get that kind of debate anymore, at least not much or not seriously anymore). So, why do people STILL bring this up all the time, inevitably? It's bizarre.

lol wishful thinking I’m hearing plus no cap space unless we give them a roster player,prospects maybe a pick/picks ,if it does it would have me gasping….like the time my heart grew 😂🤣

Did for Mitchy.

I would love crosby in denver, but we just signed 3 centers.... so someone has to play wing here

Ovechkin's another player to play out a ridiculously long contract

As a Pens fan I was more confused by this show than anything. Like, were rational people even upset by that show? IF Sid wants to leave, great. He's done everything we've ever asked of him and so much more. If Sid wants to stay and keep trying, great. Not gonna hurt my feelings to see him keep giving it his best shot. The correct answer is whatever Sid wants, Sid should get. Without question. My problem is that people seem to be pinning this on Dubas for some reason, like, do you think for a moment that the Penguins organization gives a rats ass about what Dubas thinks if it's at all in conflict with what Sid wants? His lack of a plan may just be because the situation is simply unfixable and a trade is just not possible at this time for whatever reason, and that reason could just be because Sid doesn't want to, or the teams Sid wants to go to can't accommodate and we're just stuck. It's the internet, everyone on here is nuts. But as long as the core is here, the team is going to try to win, even if that is completely unreasonable because the resources simply won't allow it to be the case. As Pens fans, we gotta accept that and just enjoy the sun set. You can get mad at a sun set, but it's happening whether you like it or not. But the tl;dr is, whatever Sid wants, Sid should get. No questions. No arguments. Just do it, and I think pretty much every Pens fan is actually on board with that regardless of what randos on the internet say.

@omniomega7254

9 күн бұрын

Well said. Fully agree.

Marner for Crosby

Chris Kunitz has the most cups in the cap era with 4

@davidkelly5585

9 күн бұрын

In another universe it’s Corey Perry

What about Daniel and henrik sedin?

Oh bull crap, the suggestion Sidney is gonna leave and everybody’s like “think of the Pittsburgh fans” but Stamkos actually leaves Tampa and nobody says anything about the fans for the Lightning.

What money does Colorado have to spend on Crosby? I feel people just picked them for literally no reason.

@QuarisDoma

2 күн бұрын

These "pundits" don't understand that Mackinnon would leave Col for the Pens before Sid would leave..

Please play for a team in Canada

@zilldollo3409

8 күн бұрын

Yea, I think he should end it out with a Canadian team being that he is Canadian and Canada is the place where hockey was born.

Crosby is also SUPER superstitious the 8.7 is for a reason

And fuckings Ovechkin

Retirement

Kyles plan = 🤔 Run it back

Bro 18 minutes talking about a topic that should’ve taken 30 seconds. Y’all need help

Crosby is a winner, penguins need to trade him for assets. Win win and he can do one day contract deal to retire a penguin.

Crosby got only 3 good season left and after he gonna retire

Yes, Sid the Kid should come to TO and try to win a cup... It would be the crown jewel of all his accomplisments... It's bigger then just winning the cup... The players involved with winning the next cup in TO will be immortalized!! LOL

Penguin fans SHOULD want him traded, to get the max return & help reshape the Pens for years to come. But being a fan doesn’t work that way. No way any real Penguins fan wants him traded. They rather just ride out the mediocrity, & I don’t think anything is wrong with that.

Yes, i kinda hope he stays a penguin, just for the feels. Unfortunately, he should go. Let Pittsburgh deal ya and push them into a big headstart to a rebuild. Its the lesser of two evils

@CC-of5xl

9 күн бұрын

Also as a fan would you want him to basically waste the end of his career on a bad team

@BangHeadShotDed

9 күн бұрын

@@CC-of5xl Do Pens fans want Crosby to play for the team? yes please?

I'd love to see a Marner trade for Crosby (50% salary retained by PIT), Roy, and a top 3 round draft pick. Then... sign McDavid in 2025. Then you've got McDavid, Matthews, Crosby, Nylander, and Tavares all on the same team... plus an amazing d-core.

Stamkos has one.

I was happy for Bourque, and I'd be happy for Crosby. These past two decades as a Pens fan have been more than I could have ever hoped for. We did the Kessel Run twice in only 24 parsecs. I think Penguins fans are a lot more supportive of moving him than you think.

@QuarisDoma

2 күн бұрын

Shut it. Bourque never won before and Sid was hall o famer at 23. Dumb take. No Pens fan would like Sid leaving in any way.

@makani9004

2 күн бұрын

@@QuarisDoma I'd obviously prefer they make it work, no one wants to rebuild. But if it needs to happen, why be sour about it? Sid still has lots of value, and if he wants to stay no one is going to kick him out.

You guys are lucky dubas left. That dude freakin blows. He is the definition of failing upwards (Bruins fan)

Sid coming to Colorado to play with MacKinnon and Drouin is all but wrapped. Book it.

@QuarisDoma

2 күн бұрын

You're mumbling about your fantasies again. Lock it down.

Drake suck soooooo badddd 😅

Red wings fan here. Crosby needs to be traded for the good of the franchise as well as the player. I watched the red wings hold on to mediocrity way past their due. Had holland blown it up in 2012 they would be contenders now. But maybe not drafting is tough. Rebuilding on the fly doesn’t work.

The answer to how long will sidney crosby be in a pittsburgh penguins jersey will soon be official.. Till he retires..... Just like he and the pittsburgh organization have said all along end of news.......

Datsuk and zetter stayed In Detroit their entire careers, do not slander these legends. Not so respectfully- red wings fan.

If I was a Pens fan I'd want him traded. He'll never have a chance to win again if he stays and he'll delay their rebuild until he retires

@_rtop843

9 күн бұрын

Well I’m a pens fan and I wouldnt trade Crosby for anything

@arcticmonkey3

9 күн бұрын

@@_rtop843wrong answer.

@pucks_pups

9 күн бұрын

As a pens fan are you insane ... No he should do what Lemuiex did and help mentor

@jays4946

9 күн бұрын

Yeah no penguins fans wants him to go.

@CC-of5xl

9 күн бұрын

@@pucks_pups who is he supposed to mentor if they keep finishing middle of the round and trading picks and signing free agents?

Crosby at 37 is not worth 6+ million

As a pens fan, the expectation for Crosby and the penguins is playoffs. If they don’t at least get to that bar this year, I expect him to be gone. Dubas needs to make another splash trade this year, Karlsson was great but he doesn’t fit the system, he needs to get a guy that fits the system