Now combine this with the alternator driven supercharger, diesel pump injection and some E85.

@jasonswayden9802

2 жыл бұрын

Yes do this!

@dittdummefan8069

2 жыл бұрын

Yessssss

@ImTheDud3

2 жыл бұрын

Now its need to fit that diesel high pressure pump and put on dyno 💪

@louiscle1622

2 жыл бұрын

That

@rustybritches6747

2 жыл бұрын

yep, then Dyno it

I wish you guys had a dyno for this experiment it would be nice to see the hp gains on paper !!

@k3bigwink1escambourn5

2 жыл бұрын

It had 115 psi then it went to 135 psi. It would of only picked up a few hp at most

@mediumsizedm

2 жыл бұрын

@@k3bigwink1escambourn5 agreed. But 5 extra horses in a 60 horse engine is a big gain.... especially with only 18 rubles worth of parts.

@joels7605

2 жыл бұрын

Extra compression making more horsepower versus extra friction taking it away. I wonder which would win?

@jannejohansson3383

2 жыл бұрын

Contact area dosen't change friction in physics laws, but it's extra "spring" too. But oil should handle that. You could meter this, how much it takes when starting it without spark plugs, before extra parts and after it. Then you know how much those make more friction when power is metered in watts. If plugs are in place, then there is pressure adding force activity making change too, so that isn't right way.. This is indeed very very interesting topic so many way. In rally and usage cars.. and testing..

@jannejohansson3383

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking this gives more newton's than hp's prosentually, but I'm not sure. This could drop fast when revs go up few thousand and over, that's normal too. Thanks for the testing.

one thing I really like about Vlad's approach is he doesn't try to over-analyze/theorize things. He basically says "OK, this is what we are shooting for. so, let's just put the pieces together and see if it works" very hands-on way of inventing. see what works and what doesn't. then change things around accordingly.

@dangerdavefreestyle

2 жыл бұрын

yeah and hes thorough enough to go over all the variables, like a great scientist

You guys should put the high pressure diesel pump on the three compression rings engine and see what happens. That would be awesome !

@1957powerwagon

2 жыл бұрын

Do that!

@n0x3n

2 жыл бұрын

Lada race setup?

@davidmoralesgarcia9365

2 жыл бұрын

Same I was wondering...

@VeggiePower303

2 жыл бұрын

It won't work on that compression, Diesels need 20:1 compression. Plus you would destroy everything else in that engine. Gas engines are not made to withstand Diesel pressures.

@Boostiverse

2 жыл бұрын

@@VeggiePower303 watch their last video, they run it with two stroke mix

I watched your video for adding a extra piston ring for each piston . It is actually a very good idea for making a engine last much longer and having better compression. There used to be a company called Wisconsin Engines.. that made and sold industrial engines to places all over the world, and a lot of the engines that they built were made with the extra compression ring. Those engines were very well built and lasted a very long time.

You need to dyno some of your experiments and also do testing such as mpg. See if it increases or decreases.

@kevinclear4007

2 жыл бұрын

I like it better how it is. Keep it moving. It either sorta works or works or doesn't.

@svenjorgensenn8418

2 жыл бұрын

Dyno is too much. Plus those ladas will probably break it

@JohnDoe-gg6kc

2 жыл бұрын

Russia is a civilized country, they use liters/100km lol

@TheWildPikey

2 жыл бұрын

Dyno is useless excect for measuring large gains and if can't feel them without the dyno saying different then it wasn't worth it anyway 🤷‍♂️

@forevercomputing

Жыл бұрын

This channel is just translation and I doubt the actual channel even comes here.

Im almost certain these guys have a warehouse of lada gaskets, they use them in every single video

@raybin6873

2 жыл бұрын

A warehouse full of Lada cars..😄

@Sanychmann

2 жыл бұрын

@@raybin6873 garbage of full lada cars. That car in condition like on video in Russia costs about 400-600 dollars

This channel always makes me want a Lada

In the antique engines I've had a pleasure to restore I've always noticed older engines with three and sometimes four rings one on the bottom and three on the top made the Piston to where it didn't move around or slap.

@noonespecial9131

2 жыл бұрын

There is a downside to this, like faster cylinder wear. I remember people taking out 1 compression ring from some Perkins engines.

@steve0680657

2 жыл бұрын

The downside is decreased efficiency and increased drag. And also increased cylinder wear. The cross-hatching would wear away much faster

@piotrcurious1131

2 жыл бұрын

They got higher compression merely because they machined piston ring in free space above default ones. This decreased volume in cylinder. Lada has low compression ratio because it is designed to run on crap russian fuel - 73 to 78 octane . Modern, high efficient engines have compression ratios like 13:1 and at the same time piston rings are made thinner - to reduce drag on high rpm region. It would be interesting now to take the middle or bottom ring away and repeat the compression test. Also nothing about what gasoline they did use. Given it is carburator engine, and modern fuel, even in Russia, got better recently, increasing compression is just making old lada motor one step closer to modern engines.

I have never thought of this and i think it's amazing that you guys get so much experience and actual usable results.

@raven4k998

Жыл бұрын

hey guys lets try experimenting with a lawn mower motor🤣

The translator "SwapBlogRU" has the perfect voice for his job 😂

Some old engines came with three compression rings, and some industrial/stationary engines still do. I don't think it would be a wear problem - IF - RPM was kept low.

@Sams88990

2 жыл бұрын

Also tall deck big block chevy's. May be some info there being as they were mass produced. To add to their strangeness, those engines only used centrifugal (engine speed) advance too; no vacuum advance.

Now make domed billet pistons (or mill the head) to see how much more compression can be had. Lada NA with twin carburetor! Max torque!

@ayannasir6653

2 жыл бұрын

Not twin carburetor dual fuel injection (dfi) one injector will spray fuel in the intake valve and the other one will inject fuel direco at high pressure then see the results. The result will be mind blowing

@ruikazane5123

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayannasir6653 They already have diesel pump injection on a Lada Direct injection is unreliable for gas engines and a twin or triple or quad carb follows old school hot rodding

@ayannasir6653

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruikazane5123 oh i think that this is a gasoline engine but this is diesel engine

@ruikazane5123

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayannasir6653 Gasoline engine with diesel injection (not direct but on intake ports) You would be having a hard time trying to convert a regular carb or EFI engine into GDI with not much gains to have

It would be cool to not just add a 3rd compression ring to a set of high compression pistons and do a compression test, but then shave the head to add even more compression and see what those small single cam Lada engines can really do with some high compression.

@ClosestNearUtopia

2 жыл бұрын

Most standard way of increasing compression.. but this garage does nothing like anything standard..

@JAChloe879109

2 жыл бұрын

@Karl with a K when you disassemble a engine with a “dizzy” and have to pull it from it’s original orientation you have to adjust the ignition timing by rotating the distributor. They also do some insane modifications to engines that they have to not only play with ignition timing they also need to adjust fuel too.

@RickBaconsAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

twin carb twin carb

@South_0f_Heaven_

2 жыл бұрын

@Karl with a K you forgot to mention the giant hole in the floor where they put their legs thru, peddle power. More holes in the floor with four people equals more power.

@ClosestNearUtopia

2 жыл бұрын

@@South_0f_Heaven_ Jabbadabadooo!

Dyno before and after would be brilliant 😇😇😇

no matter how old these videos get, i continue to watch them over and over again. I find much comfort in these videos, and i even have some saved for the end of the world. Definitely great experiments to have knowledge of for when we must go back to the older styles in the future

If I remember correctly, Dodge had a problem with their 2006ish era Hemi's they were breaking pistons because the upper ring land was too close to the top. Love these videos and they are always very fun to see👍

@craZivn

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the boosted Subaru engines are notorious for this as well.

Medium duty & Heavy duty GM 366 & 427 V8 gas has 4 rings. 1950’s-1970’s GMC Big Block 478 V6 gas or diesel has 4 rings.

@applepoop10

2 жыл бұрын

Big block V6?

@sc1338

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to post this lol

@sc1338

2 жыл бұрын

@@applepoop10 yes V6. Gmc also made a 637 cui V8 and a 702 V12

Interesting thing in regards to piston rings. If you know you're going to abuse the crap out of a motor, like in a demolition derby, you file the rings open a bit so when it starts to overheat and the rings expand, the piston don't seize.

@scottinWV

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe even put some 2 cycle oil in the gas to help with lubricating that top ring.

@anonymously241

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea 💡👍

@brotang2953

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of work to get an extra few minutes from a car your destroying🤔🤷. Why would you fully tear down an engine prior to entering a derby???. Ya can run it on 2 stroke and delete the radiator altogether so it just circulates thru the pipe and run the interior heater on full blast. One smack in the front and all your waters gone with a radiator in there.

@routtookc8064

2 жыл бұрын

@@brotang2953 do they even allow radiators in demo derbys?

@sweet65mustang

2 жыл бұрын

My friends have been running dozens of derbies a year for decades, like 4 generations. They drive all over the country to get cars. They typically use the same built up 4 bolt main 4 barrel small block chev for years. Once they go through the engine, it can handle an entire event with no coolant and then do it again next weekend. They also know where to reinforce and where to cut to get the car to fold the way they want. It's actually quite involved, way more involved than I realized

By putting a ring on the top, you basically decreased the volume in the cylinder, that's why you have higher compression. If you want to see the effect only for the ring, this should be put somewhere below the original ones. This experiment is somehow equivalent with rectifying the cylinder head or mounting a thinner cylinder gasket.

@craZivn

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I was going to mention that same thing! Also if the added ring is brand new it will skew the results since the old two rings are presumably worn to a degree.

@jeffwhite9001

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right.

@kulan9379

2 жыл бұрын

Third One to type that i was just about type in desame message.

Hello! I'm Brazilian and a mechanic, a few years ago I did the same experiment of putting a second compression ring on my 100 cc motorcycle. It worked almost 95% well, but because the piston was loose in the cylinder! Your experience with this engine was better, congratulations!

Do some mpg modification testing. Lawn mower carb, skinny tires, whatever.

@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Thunderhead289. He has a mower carb on a muscle car

@Dat_Sun

2 жыл бұрын

@@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269 I was excited to see that video. But, his methods of measuring mpg are sloppy at best. I have spent a lot of time and effort to get 31 mpg out of just 2000cc and 2k lbs, I don't believe his results at all. 1.5g is gone in less than 45 min runtime in my 420cc carbureted snow thrower using the smallest main jet for my altitude, I don't see how the same type and size carburetor would magically become hyper efficient when mated to 4000cc of v8. If he wanted to be honest, he would have fitted a temporary fuel container on the hood for all to see, using a single line returnless system. But he won't do that.

The extra ring being placed at the top of the piston reduces the distance of the (former) top ring, now new top ring, to the cylinder head. This may attribute to increase in compression. You could test for this by making the new top ring grove the same as the former top ring grove, and then using the old rings move the former top ring up to the new top grove, leaving the remaining rings in old positions. Good test, you guys are great.

Nice. Now I would like to see 2 rings in 1 groove with the gaps 180 degrees apart

@andreiion3334

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please

@erniemenard7727

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought that the ring gaps would migrate. I guess I thought wrong.

@1magnit

2 жыл бұрын

They'll end up with the gaps in the same place

@tuloko16

2 жыл бұрын

Oiling to that top ring may be an issue. Interesting idea tho.

@jasonharrison25

2 жыл бұрын

you can always put a small pin in the gap to keep the rings from rotating.

Bravo team. Well thought out and 10/10 for Vlad’s presentation methods. Always a pleasure to view this channel.

Build two stroke lada engine.

@gytax01

2 жыл бұрын

That's a trabant

@blazodelic359

2 жыл бұрын

@@gytax01 no, from four stroke to two stroke water cooled engine.

@gytax01

2 жыл бұрын

@@blazodelic359 yeah, it was a joke.

I love how you answer questions that I never had. Amazing content. Keep up the good work...

An interesting result! I find myself wondering, though, whether the compression comes from the third ring being extra, or from it being new. What would the expected compression be with the standard two rings per cylinder, if all the rings were brand new?

@buttadog5073

2 жыл бұрын

imo I think a good portion of the compression increase is because the 3rd ring is above the original 2 thus reducing the clearance volume of the cylinder

@legros731

2 жыл бұрын

Likely because it's new and cylinder wall are not worn at the top of the sleeves Number of ring really does not matter most high performance dirt bike engine use only 1 compression ring for less friction and more power really important for a one cylinder 250cc or 450cc

@legros731

2 жыл бұрын

@@buttadog5073 likely probable

@ericwilner1403

2 жыл бұрын

@@buttadog5073 I'd thought of that too, but it seems like the volume in question (distance above the second ring times the annular area between piston and cylinder) would be small compared to the volume between piston and head at TDC, at least for a relatively low compression engine such as this one. Just spitballin'; I don't know much about the geometry of a Lada engine....

@jjohnston94

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericwilner1403 Some of that, plus maybe some reduction in blowby.

I love this channel. 😀 Could sleeve the cylinders so it's easy to repair when it gets worn out.

Garage 54 is the Most underrated KZread channel ever

All that work for the extra piston ring!!! ...I have a ton of respect for you guys....thank you for the video and the gentleman is right....there might be more cylinder wear....but it is worth it to try... again thank you..!!!

lmao when I saw this one😂😂 I love how Vlad and the team actually make it happen. Salute✊ This is my all time favourite channel and just an awesome group of guys. would love to meet one day. appreciate what you guys do👍 All the way from South Africa

@Trevor24

2 жыл бұрын

Same here bro, From SA

@svenjorgensenn8418

2 жыл бұрын

Top Gear was the only show that compares. Good work Vlad!!

@tunergaines8448

2 жыл бұрын

@@Trevor24 Fede✊

you guys should really have a dyno by now !

When you first mentioned another ring, I was worried that you had forgotten that the previous top ring had already created a step that the new ring might object to. Then you showed that you had recently rebored and honed it, so I quit worrying.

Great experiment and video guys, thanks for sharing.

Awesome Idea, the only thing I would be worried about is if the engine ever gets overheated the compression may bend the top of the piston around that ring without the extra 5-10 mm of structure above it. Obviously it wasn’t a problem in normal operation though. I’m going to install an extra set of rings on my Prius right now! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂

When I was rebuilding John deere diesels they moved the top ring to just about 1/8" from the top compared to 1/2". They claimed higher HP and better starting, they were right! It eliminated the volume of air above the ring, thus increasing compression but also eliminated a large area of cold metal that the air could touch. Starting in about half the time.

What a channel! These guys doing the things most men in the world think about on a daily basis

Wow who would have thought 💭🤔! Great job guys, thank you for your GREAT CONTENT!!

This together with skimming the head by like 1.5 mm, change gasket for a metal one that handles higher compression could be interesting too see together with maybe a fuel injection system added in with a higher pressure fuel pump & a more aggressive cam. Kind of test the limits of the stock cylinders, crank etc a bit further.

great project Sergey! this was awesome!

You are smart guys. The reality is that increased compression helps, but, you also need to take into account the extra friction. If you can overcome the extra friction then extra compression does help.

👋😂👍I’m convinced!! Lada’s are indestructible!! That was awesome!

Just what I thought of when I was younger. Excellent!

This was very interesting. I can see two things that could be interesting to test and that is to just swap out one piston ring to see what that does for compression. Then try enlarging the groove for the first piston ring and add a second ring in that. I've seen that arrangement on an engine, I think it was a motorcycle engine but can't be sure. That would minimize the problem with weakening the piston, or at least I think it would... Question is if it would be as effective and if there would be some other side effect such as a shorter life span for the piston rings. Finally it might be enlightening to replace the old piston rings on the piston version that works best and hone the cylinders so they can wear in properly and see if that improves the compression even more or if it's as good as it gets. Heck even just swapping in two new piston rings and hone the cylinder may give interesting results as it would show the best possible compression with the standard two piston rings. And now I've read through this and realize just how much work all of this would take. Perhaps just replacing the two original piston rings and honing the cylinders just to see if there is still something to gain there. Not ever having worked on one of these engines I have no idea what the standard compression is supposed to be. If it's close to the original values then swapping the rings and honing the cylinder is not likely to improve things much, right? Edit: Oh and a lot of people ask for dyno testing. If that's not easily done then perhaps just some acceleration tests before and after might give some idea of if the effect changed. Given that this is a rather small engine and car even small changes in engine power should be easy to measure that way.

Great idea, in an old engine the rings would be worn anyway so I wouldn't worry that much about extra wear. This would help an engine last a really long time before a rebuild. I wonder if this would help with people who have vintage cars and worn cylinders since boring can be so expensive.

The suggestions on this channel are amazing.

"Sounds like a new engine" Ahh, so they came off the factory floor sounding like a diesel with a rattle..

@denizkilic6022

2 жыл бұрын

Ladas engines really are noisy even when new. Source: my father bought a lada 2111 brand new back in the day. As a kid it sounded different than any car to me, at low revs kinda sounds like it has piston slap and at higher revs it sounds like just another 4 cylinder gasoline engine.

@sixunity1171

2 жыл бұрын

well, yeah, its a russian product, it came broken

There was a noticeable change. Good one!

Holly cow what a unit! This is so good

Why do you guys work so HARD-another vrry good show

FANTASTIC!!! GREAT JOB GUYS!

Oh Yes!! I saw a lada in South Africa. Johannesburg to be exact. I smiled so much and instantly thought of the Garage 54 team💪 legends...and one tough car I'll tell u that. Russian Engineering 👌

Good job guys! Very good work and interesting video as always! Cheers from Jackson Mississippi, USA 🇺🇸

sniff,sniff, I miss my Lada , mostly miss that knob on the dash that allowed you to adjust the headlights , lots of deer around here , that extra night vision range saved more than one of them .

Alot of british sports cars had three rings plus the oil control ring, that was 50 years ago, some new stuff comes and goes like those racing pistons that only use a special top ring and the three piece oil control ring, adding more rings is a band aide for piston rock plus more friction

6 cylinder Lada, with the 3 rings pistons and diesel pump, even better if you take a compressor, either from an AC or any other thing, and add it as a force induction.

Great episode. This was a really interesting idea.

Personally, I'm hoping for at least a 107% success rate! :)

@volvo09

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta have a 107% success rate!

Before and after on a dyno would be great. Thanks for the video

I've been following your channel for a while all respect 😉. In my opinion you can make Lada go fast , but the general issue is when you gain speed ..... Bolt joints! As we all know that's weak place , crack me on I've seen someone going 160 and after they walk out of the vehicle the result was having a sweat and full trousers . lots of love and admiration for your hard work ! Btw the lada was fitted with fiat gear box ....

Great video guys. Keep this up.

this is definetly one I'm going to consider for my sx3 aerio

great test!! Many newer cars put the rings closer to the top the way you did. It is better for pollution, but you also increased compression.

@raven4k998

Жыл бұрын

you add two more rings and magically your engine has 50 times more torque and explodes yay

Great experiment

You have great engineering skills very interesting👍👍

Now please measure the horse power with this modification. I’m so curious to see the before and after.

can you make a performance camshaft from a standard camshaft..is it possible?😮..awesome videos!

@daveg5393

2 жыл бұрын

regrinding stock cams is pretty common. Lots of racers busted for cheating in stock engine classes for doing it

@tunergaines8448

2 жыл бұрын

make a ridiculous degree cam😂😂push the valves to the limit and see what the outcome is👍...power Gains that is.

@sirishwark

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's possible. Watch Le Dan channel from Indonesia, that guy is another gem when it comes to engine mods..

@sirishwark

2 жыл бұрын

Also do watch "Restoration of Everything" channel, you'll be amused for sure

@williamstamper442

2 жыл бұрын

You can always regrind a stock camshaft core with a smaller base circle. It's limited how much you can grind but it's done often and is a cheaper option

Do another but with two rings in a wider top groove. Loved the experiment.

Cylinders excellent condition.. large cut groove across cylinder 3:20

I love this channel, I'd love to have these guys at my shop so they could play with some American big block motors in some muscle cars

@eweunkettles8207

2 жыл бұрын

the lada is the better engine with fiat roots

Hey there how you doing I hope everything's well on everybody doing okay I had to get my garage 54 fix now I'm going to be doing real good I get to watch another awesome 107% videos success you make stuff happen you're awesome thank you again you and your team

You guys make me want a lada more and more. Not for daily use, but rather an end of the world vehicle

This was a good one... I want to see you try this with different cars.

Your shop has a new business , adding piston rings to,engines.

@sakurojason

2 жыл бұрын

I would be curious how much the power would increase if you use a 200 hp 3.0 V6 and add another piston ring to it. I assume it would be at least be 250 to 300 hp.

that thing rips good work 👍

Lada owners after watching this: I need to call this guy ASAP!

So great! How about welding up bigger lobes on a Lada Cam for more lift and duration if you haven't done that already? combine with high compression to equal a fun machine!

So this time you guys actually made an inprovement on a Lada. Good work!

@Jack-qn4vt

2 жыл бұрын

They did it when adding the diesel injection pump as well

In Scotland, I try ordering a timing chain tensioner for Lada engine, the guy in shop thought I had a pedalo car

I put 2 stroke oil I my diesel, works lovely

I recon this would make a lot of sense in a diesel since the fuel is basically oil and you can need any bit of compression you can get

Very interesting video. Thanks

That engine is in better condition than most Audis in the USA 😄

Nice! Maybe could be necessary an adjustment in timing spark and use gas with higher octane grade because the higher compression rate.

Damn that is impressive. How about next you get custom made forged pistons and modify design a bit to have 4 rings but their combined surface area against the cylinder wall is same as of 3 originals? That should prevent excessive wear. Also after that start looking into making LSD rear axles using parts around the garage. One that is easy to build your self and gives best perfomance and price. Welding the diff will cause wear on both axle well as tires so might not want to do that, but LSD would give best of two worlds. Saw one guy make one from two plates and i believe those were valve springs he put in there. If i recall right it was 4 springs. To install he put springs into vise, tied them closed with some wire, made two plates that had locating pins and holes for the springs, put it in place assembled and cut the wires.

I really want to see a follow up to this video after some months of hard driving on it.... this is pretty cool.

Wow, nice results, test to drive it long time. Don't just try to kill it. It sounds even better than original. Use something over 90 octane bensin.. or even alcohol.

So my question is will it last? Will the top ring get enough oil? Great test!

I love you guys because you are FEARLESS when it comes to redesigning or trying new things.. :)

These guys are just fantastic. I love this channel. question: did they install new bearing surfaces on the crank side ? .. if so that might have been the reason for some of the increased compression PSI.

Hello testers. If you want to make something really different with great result in getting higher compression and long lasting pistons, make two O rings in the same groove. You need to sand each O ring by one quater an position them 180 degrees. This will make gapless ring. The only caveat with this might be over time, to get stuck. I am sure some companies has already made this with one very thin compression ring sticking to a normal one. Solution is that the normal O ring has inner space to place the thin one. This is not necessary. Two rings with the same size will make the same result.

good test; good improvement

You can do the same thing by drilling holes threw top of piston into the back side of top ringland the compression pushes the ring out for a better deal to cyclinder

Love your channel, you are missing something. The compression is higher as their is less piston crown decreasing the cc in the chamber volume.

I’m not surprised you guys saw an increase! Remember that car uses an old inefficient carburetor, and by increasing compression logically you helped efficiency and fuel burn. I wouldn’t be surprised if you guys picked up 3-5 horsepower if not more from the 20+ pound increase in compression. I can’t see the extra rings being too bad of a problem. Knowing about how old the car is, this is probably an old cast iron engine with cast iron cylinders/liners. They’re the best durability wise. I say put this engine in a street legal non trashed Lada or a car you guys actually use and put this engine to work. See how long it lasts, as that’s what I’d do. Well done again!

Well done Sergei.. 👌👍👍👏👏

That ring at the bottom is an oil control ring, meant to control or minimize excessive oil consumption ( a type of reverse blow-by situation) and promote a cleaner burn.

In India some people convert tractor pistons 3to 4 rings , it will increase engine life ! Reduce blow by ! Got power 💪🏻🌪

The compression test, while low at ~120 psi, is impressively consistent between cylinders.