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This guy is a great interviewer! He really extracts the knowledge out of the person he is talking with

@tonkatoytruck

3 жыл бұрын

A good interviewer is like a good lawyer; he does his homework and already knows the answers to the questions being asked.

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

Except unlike a lawyer the people Andre interviews can and do willingly help with that homework haha Countless awesome people behind the scenes in the industry help make things like this happen, it's great and appreciated by us too - Taz.

@ThePaulv12

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonkatoytruck Lawyer and good in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Scum of the earth those parasites - and that's a description of the good ones.

@gordowg1wg145

Жыл бұрын

@@mcfast52 Either you know everything, and there was no point in you watching this, or you know a liitle bit and think you know everything and there was no point in you watching this... My money would be on the latter, as you certainly don't understand that Andre was expanding on what was said, and setting the questions he was going to ask - certainly not "reating" or "dumping down" the interviewee. Even if you actually meant "dumbing down" it isn't what was happening.

@gordowg1wg145

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeeagle2653 See comment made above.

Of the better interviews you have done, ever. 15 minutes passed by as if they were 5 or less

@forbiddenera

3 жыл бұрын

Right?? I was like oh wow 15 min that's kinda long for an HPA interview (which I LIKE!)..cracked a beer and it's over before I'm half way through :(

@2511jeremy

3 жыл бұрын

I love it. I got a job tig welding for a performance shop and they are going to show me how to machine billit blocks. Safe to say coolest job i ever had

I had a gapless ring installed on my dirt bike. I don't have much to compare it too but so far the top end has lasted twice as long as the stock top end.

@inevespace

Жыл бұрын

Who is manufacturer? I'm thinking to play with it, but didn't see such rings for dirtbikes yet.

I’ve been using gapless rains for years and they’re definitely a game changer. They also keep your oil cleaner as a result of the less blow by and an increase in compression, makes it well worth it… Keep on rockin

yo dude knows how to talk. all car company needs a guy like this or needs to train a media guy. he provided examples and didnt task the interviewer with carring the convo. great interview.

@darianistead2239

3 жыл бұрын

Andre always does, he knows his shit. I like when Andre interviewed Rob dahm, he says "I'm a tuner"🤣🤣.. It was then I realised Rob has no idea Andre has probably forgotten more than he knows lol

@darianistead2239

2 жыл бұрын

@@PSTS636 There's tuners, then there's tuners. Rob has tuned, Abel is his tuner. Andre is god level by comparison

@darianistead2239

2 жыл бұрын

@@PSTS636 The 3 rotor that shit itself due to Robs tuning? yeah okay lol. The 4 rotor built in New Zealand, the Awd chassis built by a New Zealander running an Aussie gbox? yeah okay, the best thing Rob did was employ the service of Kiwi's and Aussie's, he should go one better and get it tuned by someone residing in the southern hemisphere too lol.

Well, looks like I’ll be going with gapless rings soon. What a great interview and presentation from the product manager.

@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way but I would still probably go with what's the most proven. There are millions of hours in research and development done by the public so just take what's been proven to be best over time and use that and you'll probably have the best option

@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast

3 жыл бұрын

At the same time we have to advance so some have to take a little risk

@fokjohnpainkiller

3 жыл бұрын

@@rolandotillit2867 I believe it's better if he contacts them instead of taking your opinion

@yasha1928

3 жыл бұрын

@@rolandotillit2867 hahahaha no.

@fokjohnpainkiller

3 жыл бұрын

@@rolandotillit2867 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Great interview! Thanks. I put those rings in my lawn tractor ~20 years ago because that's all my supplier had in stock. LOL

Most people aren't across their subject as this rep. There was not a single aspect of this interview he hesitated on.

@tunnelportterror

2 жыл бұрын

he's peddling this wares

@mitchellhayman381

2 жыл бұрын

The guys in the automotive aftermarket are there for a reason.

Had no idea these were a thing. Suppose I have another tech to look at when I build a car.

@Cephalon_Shade

3 жыл бұрын

@@RwP223 thank you for the information! I'll keep it in mind.

@hotrodray6802

3 жыл бұрын

You will definitely like em. Easy 3% power gain on a new engine. The biggest difference on a street engine is after you hit 20,000 miles. Ya still got zero gap, not a fat open conventional gap.

Keith, thank you for actually knowing what you're talking about and being able to articulate it and give credible examples. And thank you Andre and HPA for IMMACULATE, respectful, organized interview technique

Great interview! You asked clear questions, and you let the guy talk and have enough time to finish what he was saying. Thankyou.

Two of the questions you should have definitely asked but didn't. 1) Why there are no OEMs moving towards that way of sealing (if i am not mistaken about that) 2) Since they claim that the seal is so much better, is there stil a need for the second compression ring and if so why? Just to make it clear, i can definitely come up with answers for both of those but it would be nice to see what he had to say.

@alexhise968

3 жыл бұрын

I also had this question

@motoray69

3 жыл бұрын

The same reason for every compromise on oem cars. Cost. And maybe they only last 100k and not 200k miles.

@monkeypainter808

3 жыл бұрын

What are your answers?

@alexhise968

3 жыл бұрын

What does F1 use

@l7ragoon

3 жыл бұрын

You have to understand that in F1 racing, they heat up their oil to warm up their cylinder walls and pistons and rings so the gap wouldn't be too tight to start the motor.

I really enjoyed watching the Monster Truck on the TV in the background

These interviews sustain me

I have run gapless rings exclusively since I learned about them when I worked for a NASCAR engine shop in the early 1990's.

@forrestfuller6359

3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a favorite manufacturer of gapless rings?

@yipe222

3 жыл бұрын

@@forrestfuller6359 Total Seal is the only company that makes gapless rings.

@terryhunter2526

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know Troy Martin

This is so useful! So good to know.

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

EXCELLENT !!! 👍👍👍 Two knowledgable men explaining in simple understandable terms.

I've been using total seal for a long time. i love their stuff💪

Didn't even know these rings were available amazing stuff, huge possibilities for my project car. many thanks for a great post

Ive used gapless 2nd rings in my vw for years. Highly recommend them.

Love it, I've been waiting for a video like this to explain gapless rings

The cool thing with Total Seal is you can call them up and many times actually talk with Keith (at least that was the situation years ago) and he'll talk your ear off about your combo and what you can go with. I wanted to stick with conventional gap rings, and a low (16#) oil ring for a typical 400 SBC N/A drag combo, 1/16 1/16 3/16 setup. Keith recommended a set with a napier second ring and an 8# oil ring, even though I had no plans for a vacuum pump. The rings sealed instantly, and have provided years of service. What wasn't mentioned in this interview, is thinner and lower tension rings reduce cylinder wall wear, so what might require a rebore in the old days using the old 5/64 compression rings, can last more seasons or thousands of miles more in a street car with a thinner ring package. Many piston manufacturers offer pistons with these modern, thinner ring grooves.

@fastinradfordable

3 жыл бұрын

He does talk about a smaller ring having lower wear on the bore.

Learned so much. Excellent interview and questions. I never knew that gapless even existed.

@jamesmedina2062

5 ай бұрын

Gapless teeth exist too!😁

Guy talks so fast i hear “yo” for every “you know”. Honestly a great vid awesome guy👌

I've been using Total Seal Gapless rings for many years. I won't build an engine without them. They simply work!

@tunnelportterror

2 жыл бұрын

you must have a lot of smoking engines you built then

@TurboMalibuV6

2 жыл бұрын

@@tunnelportterror The last engine I built for myself was back in 2005 and it's not been apart since. It's still running and has about 1% leak-down. It makes upwards of 650-700HP. Not only that, but it's a little Buick V6 that does it. It must be you or your engine builder that can't build an engine. I've never had an issue Total Seal Gapless Rings so I stand by my first comment.

amazing interview. Lots of knowledge in a 15 min vid . Well Done !

@hpa101

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

Excellent tips and general guides about rings, including gapless rings, outstanding thank you!

I'm thinking of having the engine in my 370Z bored and stroked out from 3.7 liters to about 4.3 liters in NA form and have planned to use gapless rings in it.

I used Sealed Gap gapless rings in my Dodge Challenger 383 back in the 90's I had the Chromoly ones. It took about 30,000 miles to seat them in but after the seated in it was a beast. I feel not many even know about them.

@sexyfacenation

3 жыл бұрын

That seems wrong

@fastinradfordable

3 жыл бұрын

Dude it shouldn’t take 30,000 miles.

@DL101ca

3 жыл бұрын

@@fastinradfordable he was idling it down the road...at 500rpm it took that long to seat them.

What a gold mine of information just in this one video. Love it. Keep it up hpa.

Excellent Job of educating and making it easy to understand. Way to go guys.

Really liking these techtalks! Some very interesting information from very knowledgeable people

Keith Jones is possibly the best piston ring guy in the nation. He's my go to guy for every major project.

I've used Total Seal gapless rings in racing engines and never regretted it, wouldn't build a high performance engine w/o Total Seal gapless rings.

@tunnelportterror

2 жыл бұрын

that's all they're good for, racing engines- not street engines

@TurboMalibuV6

2 жыл бұрын

@@tunnelportterror You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You can't just install piston rings in a worn out engine bore and expect them to seal correct. Stop spreading misinformation and please...stop building engines in the sandbox in your back yard.

@gordowg1wg145

Жыл бұрын

@@tunnelportterror Uh, that's a really ignorant thing to say. With a "race" engine with optimal ring gaps that are JUST shy of butting, there may be negligible difference initially. However, over time rings and bores do wear very slightly and the end gaps open up and sealing is slightly compromised - this is why these rings are almost exclusively used in endurance engines, such as NASCAR, because their design allows the seal to be maintained even when each part's gap increases. Does it work? Uh, since ring leakdown and crankcase vacuum are often better at the end of a 500 mile race than at the start, I would think so. Now, consider a "street" engine - while this means different things to different people - for one it may be a "street racer", for another a "power tour" car expected to do a few thousand miles between builds, for another it may be a stock or mildly modifies engine that's expected to do hundres of thousands of varies miles. While each of them may benefit from the improved resistance to wear compromising the ring seal, it's the last that should see most benefit.

Amazing coverage!

Fantastic interview and great learning here.

I have only put rings in Honda blocks and one 1jz but all the NPR rings I have fitted said to never gap them on std bore size. The problem with proving ring flutter is that it had a catastrophic failure and there is nothing to look at after RUD. I call it "ring chatter" that's what it really is IMO. the vapor pressure that is applied to the rings makes them deflect sometimes riding in the piston grove funny/weird and they wipe on the cylinder wall like bad windscreen wipers chattering. But like you said rare thing to happen and if it happens long enough one may see zebra stripes the chattering leaves on the cylinder walls.

I ran Total Seal's gapless on the street and race, both gapless top and gapless second. The gapless second, on a well built 454, ran very well for over 200k miles. Different story on race engine. Consistently had oil smoke out the exhaust, oil consumption issues, detonation due to oil in the chambers. This was with both gapless top or second. Both had the same issue. Went back to conventional rings, issues gone....

I'm subing! I am here to learn even though I got 40+ yrs of learning (so far) under my belt. This info is gold!

@hpa101

Жыл бұрын

Cheers for the sub and glad you're enjoying learning mate! We're never too old and no matter what we know there's always more that we don't haha - Taz

Truly fantastic interview. Great to see an interviewer and interviewee so well matched so you get great questions and great answers that erode common myths. I'm still not convinced that Gapless Seconds should be thing, though. Sorry Keith.

I wasn't sure about applications of 1st or 2nd gapless rings but that's just answered my question thanks. Enjoying the Hp Academy course too!

Great interview! Both players did the job right.

Thank you for the info!

Great information 👍

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it Kyle. Hope it was helpful in some way to you now or in the future too - Taz.

nice interview!

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great interview!

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Chur!

great questions

Should the ring pack be set lower from the piston crown for nitrous\blower applications? I have seen large numbers (.40"+) discussed on the Wiseco blogs. Seems pretty hard to do with all these pistons out with short compression heights. Subscribed.

Seems like a really neat idea, not have to compromise (and/or gamble) on ring gap size, offer better power, possibly even better MPG, and longer oil life, as well as better emissions from less burned oil. So why isn't this universal, used on production cars (where many of those advantages are more relevant even than on performance builds)? What's the drawback? Also, how do they hold up over time compared with normal rings?

@BIGSMOKE-bl2lq

3 жыл бұрын

There will be some downfall of sorts or it would be more common in production cars

@darianistead2239

3 жыл бұрын

@@BIGSMOKE-bl2lq Most likely, cost, warranty and necessity.

@quillmaurer6563

3 жыл бұрын

@@BIGSMOKE-bl2lq Yeah, exactly - there has to be a drawback, I want to know what it is.

@kellyjensen9425

3 жыл бұрын

I think the drawback is that the ring flutter thing likely isn’t BS and is a serious issue. From what I’ve read the gaps in sealing account for a minuscule percentage in performance loss. With today’s super tight emission I would think the OEMs could justify the expense considering other emissions hardware is likely far more expensive than a ring. Still though, perhaps they are expensive but still, manufacturers put out expensive cars as well where cost isn’t an issue. Are gapless rings installed in the Nissan GT-R, AMG GT, Ford GT, Audi R8, etc? I doubt they do and for me that’s answer enough.

@darianistead2239

3 жыл бұрын

@@kellyjensen9425 Yeah, because you think it's BS, it must be true🤦‍♂️.. In competition extracting every last benefit could be the difference. Not the case in production vehicles. Production cars have ideal operating parameters, they are run at a constant so don't need the benefit of being dual purpose at added expense. Just because a car is expensive too, does not mean bean counters don't try save on every component. Maintenance or Direct injection leaks, emissions when an engine wears meaning emission controls still need be in place etc etc etc heaps of reasons as to why not in a production vehicle but mainly ease, cost and catering for the average consumer would be high up in the reasoning one would assume.

Awesome questions 👍

Keith crew is no1,wealth of knowledge

love your stuff mate...devils in the details

Good stuff. Eliminating blow by makes for such a nicer engine experience lol! But all you hear on the internet is that there is no real gain from gapless rings or that they never really seal up well in the end. None of the engine builders I use recommend going gapless.

@kellyjensen9425

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I’ve read as well.

@ShawnGilbert1967

10 ай бұрын

Oh man what BS I used TS AP SS gapless top rings in my BBC running an F1A-94 procharger on the street..I didn't even run an intercooler..at 17psi on an engine with 650hp NA you do that math...meth only with a 2618 blower piston...and have had the meth pump die twice...no worries...also I've ran it with 87 at 1000+ hp in winter....the ring was down the crown due to piston design, then opened up gapless tops...it just didn't give 2 shits took a beating 1000 hits on street strip...zero blow by used basic filter vents didn't even need a catch can it was nuts....

So what are the disadvantages or contraindications to using gapless rings? Why does he mention using them as a top or 2nd ring but not both?

@dj4monie

3 жыл бұрын

For NA applications, it improves volumetric efficiency IE more power less pumping losses. For boost a second ring gapless makes sense like he said for running E85/Methanol to keep the fuel from diluting the oil breaking it down.

@nowayjose596

3 жыл бұрын

I did a little more reading and apparently they don't last as long as normal rings so are really only an option for race engines that will be refreshed regularly.

Do these engines need a different hone to hold more or less oil on the bores

Very cool

knew about them but not to that extent, thanks!

Genius!

I have a question Andre. I remember reading or hearing somewhere a few years ago about an R34 time attack car that was running Wills rings for piston rings. But, I’ve never been able to find anything about it. Surely this can’t be possible as they are a sealed system and you can’t get them over a piston, correct? If it is possible I would love to learn more about it though. Thank you!

@gordowg1wg145

2 жыл бұрын

There may have been some translation confusion, if they were called 'cylinder rings'?

How does it do with power adder?

Interesting

I'm on my first set of gapless rings I am using the 2nd ring as gapless I believe Napier. Very happy has absolutely helped my motor stay together longer.

Do you think the second ring is even required with the gap less ?

Does anyone bore/hone cylinders at operating temperature to have a round bore at temperature? Or are blocks designed so they can machined and the thermal distortion will cancel the elastic distortion due to cylinder pressure?

@TheJagjr4450

Жыл бұрын

YES, many people do...

@jamesmedina2062

5 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure that Honda performs very exact calculations on thermal expansion of their aluminum blocks to machine then better for when in use. Their tolerances are very tight and oil-burning has typically been quite low.

Hmm, I'm gonna have to try these in my closed deck 2.2 build... I really like the idea of 'eliminating' blow-by, but it seems a little hard to believe it's prevented 100%. There's only one way to find out I guess.

@TheJagjr4450

3 жыл бұрын

Typical is less than 2% leakdown - occasionally less than a percent, doubt it is ever a TRUE ZERO, I would venture to guess that a ZERO indicates an error in the the instruments or operator.

A ring needs a certain thickness for strength, but I guess the engine oil makes them stick to each other and act as one.

Would these be useful for a turbo diesel engine?

@yipe222

3 жыл бұрын

Salty Steel YES

@skylinefever

3 жыл бұрын

I think some replacements for the GM 6.2/6.5 include total seal rings. Whenever I read about them, the owners are always stunned by how many miles they can go before the oil turns black. The claim that Total Seal rings reduce oil contamination rates is correct.

HOW GOOD WOULD THEY WORK FOR DAILY DRIVING?

What happens if you use a blower or a turbo.?

How do they work with nitrous?

@dj4monie

3 жыл бұрын

Very well

If this technology has been around for 50 years, why aren't OEMs utilizing it? And in engines like RB's where a lot has to be done to control the breathing of the engine, why isn't installing gapless rings standard procedure?

With the newer lower visc oils can you stay a little wet like f1 , would this aid in power making like they did...?....asking for a friend...😒😎😂.....my beetle...😜

perhaps I'll try using these with my rodless crank

The sealing seals on an AR-15 bolt work exactly the same way.

Do you think the second ring is even required with gap less?

@TheJagjr4450

Жыл бұрын

On short track engines we only ran the top gapless, NO second and the oil control. If the skirts are short on the pistons with only the top, the piston can rock in the bore. The longest rod you can install helps this.

Why don't we just use clupit rings? I always wondered why it was changed for the combustion engine.

Great knowledge being passed on, I can remember Andy Dawson talking about engine distortion in the 70s, and trying to pre tension blocks during machining! That open deck configuration makes me cringe!

@TheJagjr4450

3 жыл бұрын

that's what torque plates were designed for... we at a high end race engine shop machined them with the torque plates, main caps and typically heated the engine block to operating temp - 180 -200 deg prior to honing.

@mrphiscal

3 жыл бұрын

It a subaru open deck . It made me spend way to much . So i concur with your statement !!!

@skylinefever

3 жыл бұрын

Subaru used fully open decks in their NA EJ-series engines, but they used closed decks in their turbocharged EJ-series engines. They knew the open deck couldn't take the added pressure of turbocharging. Subaru later replaced the EJ-series engine with something else, but I don't know if the turbo versions were open deck or closed deck.

Then why are rings gapped?

Lmao 😆 a theory from the early ‘70s. Cheach and Chong come up with it I wonder? Awesome educational video.

Do that make one for the 2azfe?

@skylinefever

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know. Sometimes they make a ring that isn't listed for a specific engine, but has the proper dimensions for use in that engine.

@master6435

3 жыл бұрын

@@skylinefever yeah that would be a great mod for any 2azfe with the garbage rings toyota put in

@skylinefever

3 жыл бұрын

@@master6435 It is also important to upgrade the pistons, the early 2AZFE pistons didn't have enough oil drainback holes. That, in addition to the extremely narrow oil rings meant that the tiniest amount of varnish would make the engine burn too much oil. If the original pistons are in good shape, many people simply drill more holes in them. If the pistons aren't in good shape, people buy a set of the current ones. I had a different engine with crappy piston rings, it was a Saturn Ecotec 2.2 and cylinder #3 was dead at 130,000 miles. I thought of reringing the engine, but I just decided to buy a new car instead.

@master6435

3 жыл бұрын

@@skylinefever Yeah true

Mahle is making F1 Pistons with real gapless rings

@RyTrapp0

3 жыл бұрын

There is no "real gapless ring" - heat causes metal to expand, that's literally why rings have gaps, to leave room for this expansion "gapless" is a misnomer - they're overlapping rings, but that overlap still has to be set to prevent the ring from touching and breaking the ring lands

@njclsx4252

3 жыл бұрын

Mahle has always made f1 pistons 15,20 years + and never seen a real gapless ring from them or anyone, btw down to 1 ring now......

@Carbonarars

3 жыл бұрын

@@njclsx4252 are you surprised, that Mahle and Ferrari wont show those pistons?

@njclsx4252

3 жыл бұрын

@@Carbonarars not at all,common practice

@Carbonarars

3 жыл бұрын

@@njclsx4252 think they make a mix of 3d printing. The gapeless Ring isnt a problem in a F1 Engine, it gets warmed up oil and water 30 min before running, so it cant stuck

yeh there's no ring flutter with a 9000rpm sprint car engine with 17:1 compression.. because at that high of a compression ratio, there's still enough blowby pressure to get past the 2nd ring, even while using a gapless Total Seal ring, rather than pressure get trapped between the rings and cause flutter. and there's enough blowby to make the low tension or standard tension oil ring work as well. because some slight blowby is what makes the oil rings work work in the first place. it's a simple concept, looking up at the bottom of the piston, from the crankcase side, blowby air pressure above the piston acts as an air gun and blows oil downward into the crankcase, and off the rings, and into the oil ring grooves, and openings in the oil ring groove, into the inside underside of piston. and that keeps it out of the combustion chamber. this is why Total Seal rings on a street engine smoke. they're really a high compression race only ring application.

What sucks they don't have any gapless rings for my ej257 engine.... seriously!?!? Been in business for over 40 years and doesn't have subaru 99.5mm gapless rings?

@skylinefever

3 жыл бұрын

I think they can build them if you order enough of them.

What we need is individual electronic valves

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

One day - Taz.

@TheJagjr4450

Жыл бұрын

KOENISEGG Free valve uses electro-hydraulic operated valves for an infinitely adjustable camshaft profile. I have been wanting to do this for 40 years.

@realtruth97

Жыл бұрын

@TheJagjr4450 I want someone to create an electronic valve system for other cars.

@jonpippen6998

4 ай бұрын

@@realtruth97 Theres a old miata with freevalve floating around on youtube and theres predator 212s etc with freevalve.......might be the same guy doing it.

@realtruth97

4 ай бұрын

@@jonpippen6998 An EVS {Electronic Valve System} would be cool. I'll have to create it myself. Imagine all the space it would save? No need for oil. Shafts. Springs. Just the valves in there. Connected to the EVS. 🤔

So who else keeps getting distracted by monster trucks in the background?

anybody used them on subaru ?

I've used Total Seal gapless rings since the early 80s and wouldn't use anything else, once you use them you'll never go back to what you were using before !

I've put a lot of engines together in my time, and in my engines, the rings dont flutter around.

i will try put a extra oil ring in the bottom ring 🤭🤔🤔🤔

Sounds like ima be blowing head gaskets all day

Who was the maker of these rings, I can post picture of a piston that had gapless rings all the way around and it busted a piston after 5 years at 750 hp engine components rated for 1000 76mill turbo meth injection so if these are a better manufacturer idk be interested in checking them out

@hpa101

Жыл бұрын

Nothing last forever to be fair and there is a point where building for a higher HP than you are running doesn't actually add any longevity. In some specific cases it would actually reduce it. To answer your question though I believe 'Total Seal' is the brand Andre has personally used in a dedicated drag engine build/s - Taz.

@oggramm

Жыл бұрын

@@hpa101 thank you I believe the builder might have ran to tight of ring gaps and under boost it eventually blew up

Ive been using them for over 30 years. on almost everything I build.from supper charged to air cooled vw stuff.the oil stays much cleaner.much better seal for way way way longer time. it is best to have a accumulator groove if possible even a tiny one will help.what else does a accumulator grove do??? lightens the piston!!! there are many morons that think these are just for race cars...or they are over kill....well, you cant fix stupid.

@jockellis

Жыл бұрын

Can I get these for a 96 mm piston in a 914 and do you know what it would cost? Also, any idea what the extra power might be?

@marktucker1651

Жыл бұрын

@@jockellis contact total seal but Im pretty sure they will have them or cn make them. usualy $85-130 for 4 cylinder, for them sets. alsoI used to send them rings for them to remachine into total seal rings many many years ago for the ones they did not make at that time. but you really need to start poff with a good ring.not the china crap or other low quality rings. as for power, not a lot, but the oil stays so clean, the oil temps seem to be lower, less oil leeks if any at all.they are well worth the $$ spent. also if you have new cylinders they need to be honed finer,or atleast the "Tooth " knocked off. witch you can do by hand with 400 grit wet/dry with soapy warm water and our hand in the cylinder hand honing just about 1 -2 min each with the same pattern.use the palm of your hand. that should take the tooth off(sharp edges that eat up rings) then throughley clean a few times & lightly oil .never oil the rings. wipe the oil out of the cylinder with clean paper towels, the towels should come out clean if it does not you havent cleaned it enough. re oil and wipe out with another clean ppaper towel. install rings properly I install into cylinder, then install cylinder & pin& pin clips/ buttons,be sure to oil wrist pin,wrist pin bores, rod pin bore & lightly oil skirts.no oil on rings as you have pree oiled the cylinder walls & wiped off exsess with paper towel.thats all the oil it needs.

@jockellis

Жыл бұрын

@@marktucker1651 Mark, thanks for all that information. I’ll do it.

@jockellis

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I’ve got the AA piston and cylinder set.

@marktucker1651

Жыл бұрын

@@jockellis thats what I figured, get the compleate set of total seal rings for them. and be sure to knock the tooth off to make them last. I have a sunnen hone but it takes a good amount of time to do them with it, mainly it's good for used cylinders or increasing the clearance, a good hand hone wash is usually what I do on new cylinders that have the right clearance. not just draging the paper across it you need to add some pressure with the palm of our hand. not hard to do at all.unless you have extra big hands like I do, then no need to add pressure it's already there. those sharp edges from the factry hone job will eat the rings up, they will also wear off and it all gets either imbeded in the piston skirts witch then wears out the cylinder walls or some of it gets into the oil and starts eating every thing else& cloging the oil filter. these vw engines do not have to be disposable like most people build. my 2028 had 80000 miles on it trubble free with an extra 50000 miles on the crank,main bearings,camshaft&heads before I put it all in a new case with new bigger pistons. and it still ran perfect when i sold the car 4 ears ago.always synthetic oil used after the first 3 oil & filter changes in the first week. 4th oil/filter change it got a syn blend for 1 week then full 5-20 full synthetic name brand oil. it was driven like I stole it every day I owned it( it was my daily driver) duell webbers 44 idf. .55" lift cam, wedgeport heads 1.34 ratio rockers,10.4 cr. 93 octane pump gas. it was quite fun. the new owner loves it.

shame you didn't have time to look at the other rings total seal do

If there actually gapless they would break as the cylinder got hot and the rings expand so a 0 gap ring isn’t possible

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

How gapless rings work is explained in the video. You won't regret watching it, I promise. It's a great interview - Taz.

i can see posts back to 2002 of this.. why is now only propperly interviewed lol bit of a underdog until today?

@hpa101

3 жыл бұрын

In the interview dates older than that are discussed, it's worth a watch - Taz.

Haahaha omg look at the hair on that guy... Its some kind of modified mullet like a bird sitting on his head

It's a hypothesis not a theory

I would rather see these named lapped rings. The rings do have a gap.

I saw a comment from some idiot armchair mechanic that said all piston rings rotate on the pistons when the engine is running so it's pointless to clock the rings so the gaps are is opposite positions 😂

@hpa101

4 ай бұрын

They are right and wrong as they do rotate, but you still need to clock them noting they are both rotating and the chances of that happening so that they all align and stay locked there are slim. It is also something that is out of our control, so you still give yourself the best chance of success regardless of such things. But you know all that yourself, it's the other chap who is going to regret the 10 seconds of time he 'saved' on that step. We see the same type of person saying that oil splashes onto your con rod changing the weight so there is no point balancing them too. People are weird - Taz.