Say what you want about season 5. They did one thing right without a doubt, and that was Bubs being allowed upstairs for dinner.

@elephantseal4585

10 ай бұрын

That part always made me happy, one of the few happy endings in an extremely dark show

@FallicIdol

7 ай бұрын

I was so happy to see that. I hope he manages to stay clean.

@BoleDaPole

5 ай бұрын

I enjoyed season 5, they really portrayed the city and characters in a very Dickensian sort of way. Just wish they leaned a bit more into the Dickensian aspect a bit more just to push it home.

@purplerider2362

4 ай бұрын

@@FallicIdolyou know it’s not real right?

The fake news plotline is even more relevant now

@Micolashcage1

Жыл бұрын

thats how ridiculous reality is in recent years. It would be considered bad writing if it were fiction

@Bigdiego74

Жыл бұрын

On my mama and my daddy

@kemperboyd1209

Жыл бұрын

Nope.

@CollaredConsulting

Жыл бұрын

The corruption in Baltimore is WORSE in reality than the show

@BaronSaturday66

Жыл бұрын

RIP Lance Reddick

Tbh the FBI profiling scene alone makes the serial killer storyline worth it.

@robert-ys6en

Жыл бұрын

That shit made me laugh so hard (I just finished the wire for first time)

I always felt that the reason McNulty and Freamon were willing to create a fake Serial Killer was because they had finally reached their breaking point. McNulty was a patrolman and happy in his relationship with Beadie, not chasing big cases. But after Bodie's death he comes back on the team with a complete vengeance. Freamon is still running the Wire and now he feels the discovery of the bodies will finally be the push to come back at Marlo and get his off the streets but bureaucracy puts a stop to that: he can't believe all those bodies aren't enough to get the higher ups to do the right thing. They are at their wits end and it seems Marlo is going to win. These men who are so rooted in their ideals they decide to throw them away when they have a chance to "make things right" and attempt to nail Marlo. The ends justify the means. It's for the greater good. Would these two men normally do something like this? Of course not, I don't believe any of us would think otherwise. Could they do this if they were somehow pushed to? Under some extraordinary circumstances? "I don't know, but everyman has his breaking point." - Shawshank Redemption

@Shank5ter

8 ай бұрын

The serial killer storyline is already ongoing when Bodie dies

@saccoli4919

6 ай бұрын

@@Shank5terbodie dies end of season 4 serial killer starts season 5. Mcnulty isn’t even on homicide when bodie dies

You outlined pretty well my problems with season 5, though I primarily disliked the serial killer storyline. However, I didn't hate the season, I just felt it was a mixed bag. One of its bright points is that it had an excellent ending for the series. So many shows can't stick the landing, but the Wire had a beautiful ending. I think that's one of the reasons the show is still so highly regarded today.

The character arc of Bubbles by itself makes season 5 totally underrated.

@fureyhiggins3289

Жыл бұрын

The best scene of the series had to be Bubbles walking up the basement stairs and joining his sister and niece.

@57hound

Жыл бұрын

@@fureyhiggins3289 Yes, that was such an emotional scene. So happy to see Bubbles end up reconnected with his family-probably the most uplifting character arc of the entire series

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

@@fureyhiggins3289 yeah bubbles is one of the most underrated tv characters ever. He was a brilliantly written character

@chuckiebrownbfly

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope Dukie come in that circle and not Johnny's.

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckiebrownbfly hopefully lad man dukies ending in the show is heartbreaking 🤦‍♂️

Alma didn’t quit. She got moved to a different, less important desk out in the county because she spoke up against Scott. FYI.

@keithharper1470

Жыл бұрын

The bosses knew there was smoke that Scott was lying but they wanted that Pulitzer no matter what so they couldn't fire Alma they put her in the pawn shop

The biggest issue of Season 5 is the absence of Ed Burns for much of the season. There's a nuance he brought to the writers room that was really missing through much of the season and it was apparent as the characters became more cliche than character.

@claudewashington5247

2 ай бұрын

It's funny that Ed Burns had minimal writing in the season but that's when the serial killer concept comes

All seasons of The Wire are fantastic. Didn’t know this was a common view for Season 5.

@boiling_snow_water_

Жыл бұрын

It's usually people that don't understand the influence of the media that hate this season.

@jplonsdale7242

Жыл бұрын

I loved it all. Only watched it all once but I thought every season was great

@monteellis4436

Жыл бұрын

I did think it was much more heavy handed than other seasons but the thing is, it's only a fall off compared to the Wire. For pretty much every other show, it would be their best season and most realistic.

@antwesten8283

Жыл бұрын

It's not a common Season 2 was trash everyone knows it It's not universal lol wtf is he talking Everyone hates season 2 season 5 was good

@charlesspeaksthetruth4334

Жыл бұрын

@@boiling_snow_water_ Facts 👏👏.

I always liked season two of the wire because it ties so much into the drug trade with “the connect” and a different side of Baltimore.

@johnpederson5873

Жыл бұрын

Seeing prop joe driving into the gate connecting the docks to the rest of the show was mind blowing.

RIP Lance Reddick. We need a vid to say goodbye. I think Lt. Daniels had the most moral dilemmas of anyone on the show. Only The Deuce, another Simon/Pelecanos production, had a better ending and I’d argue, the best ending of any show on TV.

@bellamaz1972

Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see The Deuce and Treme get more love.

@deb8911

Жыл бұрын

@@bellamaz1972 me too!

As you said, The Wire serves as a prequel to itself. Structurally the entire 5 seasons is cyclical, but it puts the end of one cycle and the beginning of the next at the midpoint of the show, season 3, instead of at the end. S3 is where the mouth of the Ourobouros meets the tail. Its amazing to watch play out, and I think its another reason S3 and S4 are so strong. In the hands of another writing team S3 and S4 would have been S1 and S2, showing the rise of a drug crew and the beginning of all these cycles first, but The Wire's structure makes it so much more interesting.

The sensationalized serial killer stuff was also an expression of frustration from the writers. Shows like Dexter and Deadwood were getting a lot more attention at the time and the Wire took direct shots at both of them in dialogue on the show. McNulty doing something sensational out of frustration was a metaphor for how the writers felt while they were telling that story. It’s one a them meta narratives.

@doscassette871

Жыл бұрын

shit never thought of that good perspective on it. I also assumed it was in general about how police are often frustrated by the publics interest in certain high profile crimes that really aren't worth anything but completely ignore or attack the police for going after much less glamorous but arguably more important work.

@Jurgan6

Жыл бұрын

I caught the dog at Dexter, didn’t notice a reference to Deadwood (which I have not seen).

@ajae...

10 ай бұрын

He covered that in the video, and has an entire one devoted to the Deadwood scene. Both have been written about a lot.

@NickolasNameolas

9 ай бұрын

@@CircuitRider you just projected your opinion onto Simon like you know him personally or something. Extraordinary.

@NickolasNameolas

9 ай бұрын

@@CircuitRider Yeah, no. I never named him. I never even said either show was bad myself. Only that they were both more sensational than the Wire and got more attention as a result. I think you're one of those people who sees an attack on your taste as an attack on you personally, even though I didn't attack Deadwood. Please be more chill.

I actually really liked season 5. Having gone to journalism school and having once had an interest in possibly pursuing both journalism and policing as a career at various times of my life, I appreciated the show for showing the relationship between the press and law enforcement. Plus, one of my favorite movies is Zodiac and that movie very much establishes a similar rapport (or lack thereof in many cases) between the two institutions. So I'd even go as far as saying season 5 was probably my favorite season just narrowly edging out season 4. all in all, a great show. There really was not a single bad season.

@BaronSaturday66

Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed Season 5 too. It's at least 90% as good as the others.

In terms of the McNulty serial killer angle, I used to think it was a little too out there. But then I remembered when Bunk said to McNulty that he was going to get caught. Bushy Top said "who TF is going to catch me?" I wholeheartedly believe that no one would catch him. Like he said, the city ignored real serial killers in Marlo, Chris, and Snoop. They wouldn't allow even one detective to work on the case. So his thinking is sound. Look at the other examples. In season 1, Bunk and McNulty had re-do the Deirdre Kresson murder scene because the original detective wrote like a page and a half then put it in a file never to be seen again. A detective couldn't be bothered to look more thoroughly into the murder of a young woman. In season 2, we see multiple departments trying their hardest not to be assigned the murders of those girls in the boat. Rawls practically backflipped when he thought he pushed the case off to another department. Leaderships of entire departments wanted nothing to do with trying to solve the murder of 20 women. In season 4, Freamon went to Landsman and said there are who-knows how many dozens of dead people are rotting in vacant row houses and Landsman took that information and sat on it. He didn't tell anyone. There were corpuses decaying in the city and a police sergeant kept it a secret. So I agree with McNulty. Who in that police department has the time or the inclination to look into this?

@Tjaty

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I thought. The show went out of its way to give us *several* examples of the police desperately trying to avoid doing their jobs.

@sayhello2heaven_

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, I just thought it was the ultimate statement of horribly incompetent that police department is after showing us smaller examples all throughout the rest of the series.

As a journalism graduate I always loved season five while being aware of its legitimate criticism. Gus was necessary for us journalism types. We needed a hero. We still do.

@gregoryporch8395

10 ай бұрын

I liked the journalism angle and thought it was spot on. The newsroom prioritized sensational stories over accurate reporting and that's true to life. I didn't think the characters were unrealistic at all, people in real life work very hard at gossip having an impact over objective truth.

@smelltheglove2038

4 ай бұрын

Journalism is one of the most damaging professions in this country. Journalists and lawyers are destroying us. Especially corporate journalism. Zero integrity, zero honesty, they have no objection whatsoever about lying to the public to protect their ideology, no matter how obviously corrupt.

Bubbles Redemption still gets me, a true happy ending where you never thought was possible. Up until that moment I was Sure his final arc would be dead with a needle in his arm

@TheJohnnyCotts

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. After all he went through in S4, no one would blame him if he did. Instead, it wound up being a wake-up call for him to take charge and get his life on track.

Season 3 is my favorite season of all time

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

Season 3 was brilliant but season 4 maybe the best season of any show ever🤷‍♂️

Having just binged the whole show for the first time I can say that most of the common complaints about S5 were apparent, but it's a still a very good season of TV. The more outlandish elements irked me as they were happening but I think they played out ok by the end of it (though it is a bit lazy how an actual killer ends up in their lap). Some of the dialogue was also uncharacteristically shoddy at times, particularly some of the justification for exposition. That specifically made me question if there were changes in the writer's room but those moments were mostly few and far between. As an aside it absolutely baffles me that people were/are down on S2. I can see at how it might be jarring at first but it's sooo good once it gets going. Frank Sobotka might be my favourite character of the whole show.

I remember watching these episodes during the first run and I found some of the moments to be incredibly fun because they were doing something so audacious in having McNulty and Lester do something so audacious. I loved the scene where McNulty meets with the Sun editorial team and we know that McNulty knows that the reporter is lying while McNulty lies to the whole room and the reporter looks so confused because he knows he made the stuff up. The scene where Lester goes along with McNulty's crazy plan is also great... because it is so unexpected... but is also makes sense because Lester has stuck it to the bosses before. There was also a small scene where after McNulty is doling out overtime for detectives to work other cases that he declines the overtime for one guy. You can just see that McNulty is now having to be like the bosses he always hated. And, after Kima tells the bosses, there is a great scene where Lester is somewhat puzzled why they are "not in cuffs" yet. He and McNulty are getting a sense how conspiratorial things are at the top because the bosses and Carcetti are trying to figure out how to spin things. And, as the video points out, there is the amazing moment when Rawls says to McNulty something like, "Please tell me you are not killing them yourself. Season 5 is weird... but it is so enjoyable to see all these people stretched to their limit. And, as the video says, the Hamsterdam "legalize drugs" story line is less realistic than cops faking evidence. 😀

@caseyhart4999

Жыл бұрын

I gotta say I laugh out loud every time Rawls says that line

Season 5 was my low-key fav because it shows how big of a role the media plays in keeping the status quo, rather than reporting on news.

This video should have focused on the Dickensean aspect of The Wire. 😂

Season 5 had the closing montage, a montage so beautiful that it brought a tear to my eye. Clay Davis took the stand, finally. Rawls finally got to have a moment with McNulty. "My name is my name!" S5 had its moments; again, the ending montage made me emotional. I can't be unbiased. -edit- Perlman visits Levy Dukie falling off Marlo meets Avon .... That final montage...

@JayCity10

Жыл бұрын

It's become my favorite season.

Season 5 gets too much hate

@Alejandro1313sixx

9 ай бұрын

It's the worst season

Season 5 had its highlights. Avon/Marlo meet, Prop Joe’s death, Mike killing Snoop and Rawls railing Jimmy over the fake killer come to mind.

@isaiahdaddys9379

Жыл бұрын

Can’t forget Slim Charles capping Cheese either.

@JayCity10

Жыл бұрын

I will watch Season 5 over anything on TV right now. It's my favorite season anyway.

I never had a problem with the serial killer story line. For me it showed that Jimmy and Leister had come to their final limit with the Baltimore police corruption when even 100s of dead bodies didnt warrant real investigation. They proved that Marlo as a serial killer was not worth there attention but a sensationalised news worthy serial killer was

When Mcnulty starts setting up the first body in front of Bunk I was so shocked. They threw the whole show out the window right there. That scene surprised me so much and made me feel super excited to see what was coming. It was so wild.

Was kinda shocked at the premise that mcnulty went too far. Think about the state of constant failures he has with family, sobriety, the police department: I don’t think he went too far, I think he doesn’t give a s*** anymore and has had it with rules.

@monadreher2428

Жыл бұрын

This. And all of this. McNulty has always been portrayed as a rogue figure who goes against the status quo of the system so I never once thought it was out his character to pull the stunt that he pulls. Lester is definitely more debatable but even so we see the frustration that consumes him and eventually leads to him siding with McNulty. They basically took the same route as Colvin took in Season 3 which was screw the rules I'm doing what *I* think is right.

@urabusxrw04

Жыл бұрын

@@monadreher2428 speaking of season 3, I like unhinged don’t give a fuck mcnulty more than fake smile sober mcnulty. At least he’s somewhat happy season 5.

@monadreher2428

Жыл бұрын

@@urabusxrw04 Lmaoooo I feel you from an entertainment outlook but I really did love Season 4 McNulty (if that's the fake smile version of him you're referring to) a lot. He was happy and actually enjoying and having a life. It's why his Season 5 character arc is tragic because that's when McNulty is at his absolute worst even though he's fighting for a just cause.

@urabusxrw04

Жыл бұрын

@@monadreher2428 yes season 4 but didn’t he seem kinda… neutered to you? Like he had an outward smile but I felt he hated himself on the inside.

@monadreher2428

Жыл бұрын

@@urabusxrw04 Well I mean him being "neutered" was the point of his character arc in Season 4. And no not to me at all. The scenes where Bunk is trying to get McNulty back into the fold before ultimately accepting that his old partner in crime has genuinely changed kind of negate that thought tbh. Hell even McNulty's ex wife is surprised and impressed by the new him. He was literally the happiest he had ever been in Season 4 compared to how he was characterized in the first three seasons.

Great video! It seems like lots of people misunderstand the meta element of season 5. I like that you pointed out the need for the show to sensationalize it’s storyline to stay funded, which in turn caused the writers to create a more original social commentary then just the run of the mill “gritty realism”. It may not have been what fans wanted or were expecting but The Wire was never interested in that. It was much more interested in challenging norms and debunking the systems that control our lives. On that level, season 5 accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do with some minor flaws here and there.

@slthjawa5062

Жыл бұрын

People didn't misunderstand. Just because something is done doesn't mean it was done well and season 5 is still ridiculous and poorly crafted.

@themysteryguy85

Жыл бұрын

@@slthjawa5062 it’s like an 8.5/10. Definitely the worst season of the show but it’s not bad by any means

@kemperboyd1209

Жыл бұрын

It is a bad season

@themysteryguy85

Жыл бұрын

@@kemperboyd1209 too bad, still the best show of all time

@raymondsims7042

10 ай бұрын

@@kemperboyd1209it’s not a bad season by any means

I'm gonna check this out later, but I'm having a hard time imagining how you're going to get me to your conclusion. Update: I didn’t get there. Too far fetched.

Having a shorter season meant the writers had to wind up all the points of the whole series and drive home its meanings. The meaning being how lives are spent either trying to make a difference or just go along with the system. Cops like McNulty becoming zealots and criminals like Avon and Marlo trying to stay on top or move up to the top. And all for nothing. Everything everyone put their lives work into crumbles apart and it all begins again with new players as if the original players never existed. Season 5 was winding down the series from its first episode. And on that note, taken as whole story and not an individual season it succeeded well. Also, what's really overlooked is the final few minutes of the last episode that is devastating in its own subtle way. The best of any series ending in my opinion

The only plot that kind of diminishes season 5 to me is the newspaper. Although, I still struggle with whether or not I really believe that McNulty would go that far. David Simon said that Freeman and McNulty were two men that had been told no their entire careers.

Something insane, I've seen The Wire four times now and have only gotten through two episodes of season 5 (on the second watch) and something about the ending of season 4, although it didn't wrap up everything I felt satisfied where everything ending it was arguably hopeful. I am now on my 5th watch , this time with my roommate so I think in a month or two I will have officially finished The Wire and I'm pretty sure I won't love season 5 the way I loved every other season I have mentally kind of told myself that season 5 is an epilogue

Scott really got under my skin as the season went on.

@JayCity10

Жыл бұрын

That was the idea. He was a piece of crap, a great villain.

@isaiahdaddys9379

Жыл бұрын

@@JayCity10 finally someone else appreciates his character

I personally loved season 5 and never felt like the quality went down. The newspaper fake serial killer thing was super compelling and at times hilarious. I think David simon, the creator of the wire, said it best when he felt the hampsterdam plotline of season 3 was way more unrealistic than McNulty's serial killer plot. That required an entire precinct to keep its mouth shut. Season 5 only involved like three people. Once it got to four or five someone snitched and it all blew up. One thing I will say was a bit underwhelming in season 5 was Onar's arc. He seemed like he got a bit desperate by the end to get Marlo. His tactic to force Marlo to the streets wasn't working. Omar from previous seasons would have regrouped and spent time healing after narrowly escaping the apartment trap. He was a very patient man at times, spending weeks on stakeouts for the perfect moment. Season 5 Omar didn't seem to have any patience.

@avonbarksdale91

4 ай бұрын

Neither did McNulty and Lester.

History has indeed been kind to Season 2, as a lot of fans have come around to recognize its brilliance, but I don’t see it as overrated. A good chunk of viewers still consider it weak (which blows my mind). And don’t get me started on Frank Sobotka, the most underrated character in the entire series. But to your question about Season 5. Picking the weakest season of The Wire for me is like picking the weakest Beatles album. They’re all five star but one has to be the least great. I’d probably have to go with Season 5 for a lot of the reasons mentioned. A little far fetched and cliched at times, felt like they were running out of steam.

@mlwtennessee322

Жыл бұрын

Agree completely!

south of the border where rudolfo plays

Not being up to par with the Legendary status all other seasons have and yet being extremely good is not a blemish.

Season 5 was great, but it’s hard to get us to get into the News room characters. The really should of did the hospital

@Alejandro1313sixx

9 ай бұрын

Newsroom scenes allowed me to close my eyes for a few minutes

Another great video bro!

a fantasy supernerd friend described his opinion on Gus in such a way: "Look man, paladins are always cool, but their storylines, no matter the IP, are always a snoozefest..."

The serial killer story is out there..but the way they show its application in the investigation..and what they have to do to get it to work..is brilliant..

Kima was never a character I liked. Her ratting out McNulty just took that dislike to the next level.

They want season 5 to be one way, but its the other way

Season 5 had the best rendition of the theme song.

I miss Character's like Gus and Skylar White, the ones where we as an audience hated that one particular character but not the entire show for their involvement.

I just watched The Wire for the 3rd time and it almost felt like you were talking to me. This time around I actually found myself loving season 2 haha. Season 5... why 10 episodes? Making it shorter also made the whole season feel, well, sloppy, like the were squeezing a square into a circle.

I have watched the entire five seasons of The Wire 10 times - it never gets old for me. I regarded Season 5 as the weakest after its first broadcast, mostly because it seemed too compressed compared with the other seasons, partly because the fake serial killer bit seemed a bit of a stretch for a show of this caliber. Over time and repeated viewings I have come to have a warmer regard for S5, for many of the reasons you've outlined. And the press is a crucial part of our society. And this season has numerous "circle closers": 1. In S1 Herc and Carver test D'Angelo's pager, with Carver doing a fake Korean accent (Herc: "Sounded Chinese." Carver: Like you can fuckin' tell the difference."); in S5, Lester tests Marlo's number by pretending he's calling a BBQ joint number. 2. In S1 McNulty pilfers his upstairs neighbor's newspaper; in S5 McNulty pilfers a paper from the stand. 3. In S1 McNulty grouses out loud about the useless humps Polk and Mahone - "I wonder what you have to do to get fired from the Baltimore Police Department" - Kima replies, "Keep pulling some of your shit and you just might find out"; in S5, Kima delivers on that earlier remark by reporting him to Daniels. For many a TV series the final season is the weakest; I feel this way about The Wire, but this series is so superb that S5 is still first-rate. Omar forever!

Defense of season 5: clay davis, bubbles story arcs. Also a few great moments: *Jimmy's retirement party *cheese getting killed *Avon meeting Marlo * Omar's death & toe tag * season 5 finale montage...

There’s a great cameo by Nancy Grace as herself where she interviews Scott and helps spread his sensationalist crime stories. She apparently didn’t realize she represented everything season 5 was criticizing. The other great cameo was Richard Belzer, who played Munch on Simon’s other show, Homicide (and many other series such as SVU as well).

Marlow never seemed to be Avon’s successor but more of the last one standing filling the power vacuum.

The funniest thing is, faking a serial killer isn't even that unrealistic. Look up Henry Lee Lucas and the Texas rangers

Making Keema a snitch on McNulty, Bunk a suddenly by the book guy, having the newspaper kiss that lying reporters ass, and having Omar....the show's most interesting character, get git by a snotty little shit, were negatives in this otherwise good season.

I hear your criticisms of S5 but having binged the whole series (again!) recently, S5 really works for me - so I’m glad for this defence, thanks!

I think of it like this, there is no such thing as a bad season of the wire, but I would say that season five is the weakest season because there were so many misses that they could’ve touched on, I read somewhere that Randy was supposed to find out that Cheese was his father, but there wasn’t enough space due to it only been 10 episodes for them to show that. Also, the newspaper and serial killer plots, you’re right I just can’t wrap my head around those two storylines but the side story lines which in my opinion should’ve been the main storylines were still really good.

Telling the story of the kids through the adults was brilliant. Showed the cycle & how the game is the game. If you're in it, you're in it.

The cycle continues... Dukie is Bubbles, Michael is Omar, Carver is Daniels

I always thought this was to crazy of a storyline until I learned recently that the police for years will make stuff look worst then what they are to keep or get more funding from the government.

I would’ve liked to seen a fire department aspect. They could’ve done that with season five. Or do a season 6 and surround it around the BFDP

It's certainly the funniest/most entertaining season for me, but for the same reasons other people don't like it. As someone who prefers Sopranos over The Wire, the 5th season is the closest to a more experimental/surreal style like the one in the Sopranos, and the faster pace made the show more enjoyable. The downside is that you can tell the journalist characters seemed more black and white than in previous seasons due to lack of time to make them more nuanced, and it's really hard to reconcile the central storyline with the tone of previous seasons, even though the Hamsterdam story was an obvious precedent.

@raymondsims7042

10 ай бұрын

What’s your top ten tv shows mate? For me it’s 1. The wire (hands down the best show ever made) 2. Game of thrones 3. Mr Robot 4. Dark 5. The boys 6. Breaking bad 7. Succession 8 stranger things 9. Sopranos 10. Better call Saul tied with Mad Men

Alma didn't quit. She was transfered to Carol County

If I had to say anything negative about season 5 it would be that it was too short and slightly rushed but thats about it. The theme of the entire season was based on lies... the bigger the lie being, the more people you would have believe and thats absolutely true in many cases. To the extreme just look at real life, things like the gulf war and the non existent weapons of mass destruction, the case of the Central Park five and many more. All cases based on false information but were driven on the belief that the information was 100% true. It may seem outlandish but season 5 still managed to drive the point home perfectly. Being the show never bowed to fan service which was a good thing, fans I think were disappointed that the story didn't end for many characters how the hoped it would but Bubbles coming full circle was perfect enough for me.

I didn’t realize season 5 needed defending. It’s season 2 I always hear people complaining about.

"The Dickensian Aspect..."

If Hamsterdam was possible, why not a fake serial killer?

@vanmantalks

Жыл бұрын

tho it was never put into practice hamsterdam was actually proposed by a previous Baltimore mayor in the late 80s which is where David Simon got the idea from

@erics362

Жыл бұрын

@@vanmantalks 🤓

The show was most definitely great because of its realness and you are correct that some of the later items didn't feel natural. I also found it very hard to believe the Greeks would just support Prop Joe being killed off by some young shoot first gangster who was making enemies all over the city. They would have never given up years of successful business dealing with a business man like Prop Joe for a kid who would most likely be dead any day.

The Omar vs marlo thing never getting played out upsets me so much.

Excellent piece. You right clever

That's crazy I used to watch The Wire when it was on and have watch this several times since season two was always the arguable season because people felt it was boring and while I agreed as you said it tied many things in but it's definitely a little slow season 5 was awesome because of the serial killer thing alone McNulty is the man

I did get a lot of updoots on the reddit when. A post asked about favorite snow ball examples. Like from something tiny turning into huge things. After seeing your short talking about Johnny 50 I do think an argument between 2 polocks leads to Johnny 50 being homeless while the "serial killer" was on the prowl

Great take on S5. Good depth. Never thought of it from that perspective.

I honestly always thought it was genus. Perhaps I can relate to an extent. But you noticing how they actually showed how am Omar can be made and the rest of the boys “becoming”. The only bad part to me was that it was over. Heart went out to the boys.

@lamaredward22

Жыл бұрын

When I finished the series a while back I said to myself what a great ending because if it kept going it will only be a cycle of what we already seen. Currently I feel like they should bring it back and also add into the current events of how the streets are now because it is wayyyy different than 2002

Most people in the past during its run said Season 2 was the weakest. Never heard any grips about Season 5. The tragic scene where Mike drops Dukie off and one being the next Omar while the other becomes Bubs. Prez gets the handle of being a teacher and in a heartbreaking manner but realistic manner, hoping Dukie can be saved. The cycle of corruption and cyclical human behavior. Again never heard complaints. It's a 93 on Rotten Tomatoes.

It was hard to get through the serial killer bit at first but then when these fools started calling reporters and kidnapping homeless people it just became completely hilarious. I loved this season. And so gangster. Avon essentially put a hit out on Prop Joe hooking Marlo up with the connect. Payback for Stringer

I always loved season 5, I never understood why he got such a bad reputation, I loved seeing Mcnultys crazy ass make up the serial killer,Marlo and Omar being at war, seeing bubbles get clean, I always thought it was a great season

I think the Wire is one of the five greatest shows in television history. That being said, I think Breaking Bad is the greatest television show ever made. Whenever I get in debates with people that think the Wire is the greatest show ever made, I throw out Season 2 and Season 5 of the Wire. There aren’t any seasons on Breaking Bad that have to be “Wiresplained”.

@monadreher2428

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But...wait though? How do Seasons 2 and 5 of The Wire dethrone it though? Neither of those seasons are bad seasons of television at all. Not in the slightest. And they're both highly acclaimed seasons. Just because people subjectively didn't like or enjoy watching them doesn't equal terrible seasons of TV. Both seasons have merrits that can very heavily be argued as to why they stand out so much within the televised medium. This is a fact. There are people who definitely think Breaking Bad legit doesn't get good until it's last two seasons (I'm not one of those people as I was hooked from Season 1 tbh) despite all of the seasons being very entertaining and very distinctive in their own way and each season growing in intensity. Breaking Bad is my favorite show of all time, number 3 on my personal list but objectively I could never put it higher than The Wire. The ambition that that series even sets out for within its storyline alone puts it above BB for me and again I LOVE BB with all my heart and soul chile. We might possibly gain another BB in the future that may be able to equal its predecessor or be become as popular as it (hell you could possibly make that argument even now with Ozark now that I think about it) but I highly doubt we will ever in this lifetime get another "The Wire" which is why the series is and remains so timeless. Not to mention the ever continuing existing relevance this series is *still" bringing two decades after it first premiered. Also not to mention how this series can develop or change individual insights (this also still now mind you) on how we as a society view or understand things due to its sheer complexity and depth. I'm not saying that having more depth or complexity automatically makes any story top tier but with The Wire it's done beautifully as it is a show that rewards its viewers for how much you 're willing to pay attention to the story and challenges the viewer at their own personal look at society. The rewatch value alone...I think that literally speaks for itself. That for me just simply hasn't been topped yet.

If anybody in this world would have nono-ed a cop, it will be game over! The "realism" of the show comes from the social enteraction it self, not from the "storyline".

Season 2 wasn’t great, which is why they went back to the original format during season 3. Season 5 would have been good if they would not have added the cereal killing thing. The Docs in season 2 would have been cool to introduce, but too much time was spent on the docs, it should have been 70% about Stringer being the target and the docs 30%. That would have been iconic bent that Idris was a star in the making.

I have heard that they were expecting a season 6 up until mid shoot of season 5. Then they had to scramble to wrap up. But I'll take the worst season of the Wire over anything else.

Season 5 had the Baltimore Sun subplot that I found to be of no interest--I usually skip over that storyline. I understand the point the writers were trying to make but I found the all newspaper reporters to be smug and obnoxious.

Pls, review NEW WORLD Korean movie. It needs explanation & carefully examined of how the plot turns out

S5 is the FUNNIEST - my favorite scenes are bunk and mcnultys interactions. The fbi profile scene was EPIC “they’re in the ballpark”

Slim Charles is one of my favorite characters and he ends up being one of the big winners of season 5

the way Bunk look at Mc Murphy the whole season = funniest shit

"Nothing but love for my S5 ngas"😂

I am in the midst of watching season 5 right now, and am pretty turned off by the serial killer bit, so figured I'd watch this to see what is the redemption of this chapter- not being worried about spoilers at all. I mean this has just gotten stoopid, so what the heck. Thanks for this video- I will watch the rest of it.

*Randy became the new Bodie which was so subtle*

um, the reporter's name is ALMA, not alba.

“Worst” is too harsh. “Least awesome” sounds more accurate.

How many of us even cared about the Press aspect of it when all the side stories such as the kids, marlos gang, etc.were so good!?

If I ever had the opp bound and gagged in a basement I would make them watch season 8 of GOT and season 5 of The Wire as torture.

Thanx for wrapping The Wire. Review the show Power next. One of the best crime shows I've seen but unfortunately it never became a mainstream hit due to a black main cast 😞

interesting. Mephisto seems to remember that everyone hates season 2. Even if it was the most important (which he would disagree with) it was still trash.

The Wire is one of my favorite HBO series of all-time and I can say with 100% confidence that season 5 is the absolute worst. I intentionally avoid it when I revisit the show. If there were an all-time worse seasons list it would be up there with season 8 of GOT. It's that bad. It's a shame since it has one of my favorite scenes from the show. Marlo's, "My name is my name" is one of the realist lines of the show. So, it's not like season 5 has no redeeming qualities but as a whole it's a waste of time. IMO it's not just comparatively bad to the other seasons of the show - it's just bad TV.

amazing, cathartic video. said so much that I know I've always thought but could never quite verbalize. but I think the fact that it's so outwardly funny actually makes it less funny in the grand scheme. It used to just be random funny moments that are funny because they are true to life moments of awkwardness, stupidity or people just being genuinely funny ("soc-what??"). But when it seems like they're TRYING to be funny, it isn't earned as much imo. Id say season 3 is in total the funniest ("your homophobia is so *visceral*")

That is soooo dope that the prequels are built into the show.

One of the reasons you classifying this season as one of the best, because Clay Davis’ “shieeet’s” were really long, was hilarious.

My biggest problem with s5 is the Greeks dropping Joe for Marlo. Really out of character.

It was too rushed - only 10 episodes.

Recently rewatched the show and, yeah, I think 5 is the weakest season. Still good, not as good as the others. And a lot of what you already pointed out are the main reason; a shorter run time with only 10 episodes means that they can't flesh out characters as much, and that the Sun felt less nuanced and just bitter. I did also think about the part where you said that how come Gus seems too good but we don't mind Lester. And I think I have a reason for that as well. It's because Lester is a dark horse. When we first meet him he seems like, as McNulty put it, a house cat. That weird guy who sits and makes models, but then he goes out and produces a picture of Avon. Something the rest of the crew have been struggling and failing to do. He surprises us, because we underestimated him. Making him a bit more of an underdog that we've seen rise and get his fair share and respect. Gus on the other hand is introduced as a smart person and no-nonsense editor and stays that way. He's just good out of the gate with no mystery or other intruging bits. Also that he is an obvious stand in and mouthpiece for David Simon. That makes him feel less like a character and more like a self-insert Mary Sue which, in a show as well made as The Wire, feels off. I still like Gus and I think he has some great lines. But he is not as memorable or complex as other Wire characters. Which, frankly, none of the Sun characters are. Which I once again blame on lack of time and maybe, just maybe, Simon being a bit too vindictive about his old workplace.