Lately I've also had the feeling that striving to be an ethical consumer (and to try to evangelize others to do the same) has had its impact overemphasized by many people in the climate and social movements. I feel like this is largely due to human psychology. Every individual wants to feel like they're having an effect and doing good in the world--"I don't buy from Amazon, I don't support xyz" is a great way to make you feel that *you* are doing the best thing for your movement. "After all, I'm only one person, what more can I do besides removing one person from Amazon's customer base?". The reality is that real change through policy (which better attacks the roots of these problems) doesn't give us the same instant gratification and self-assurance that we seek. It's a long, slow process, where progress is difficult to measure. I feel like that aspect alone fundamentally disincentivizes people from going that route, and overincentivizes the idea of living as an "ethical consumer" instead.

@Felix2010w

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the majority of people still live in a bubble where climate change either isn't that important or is outweighed by unwillingness to give up their consumerist lifestyle. The best thing you can do against climate change is to stop others from consuming. That's not possible via a top-down process. You won't get anyone to buy less stuff by making a politician do something that increases prices/decreases consumption. Temporarily it'll work of course, but if you haven't actually convinced VOTERS that they need to give up their consumerist lifestyle, that politician will get voted out in the blink of an eye. Talk to people. About climate change. About consumerism. Build communities. Repair things. Help each other. Vote and get others to vote. Get involved in politics. Letters to politicians are woke and sound like a cool idea, but the only metric that really matters for a politician is the chance of their reelection. You need to remove yourself from the system as far as possible, since ethical consumption is fundamentally impossible within it. Don't "stop buying from Amazon". Just STOP BUYING. Don't buy shit you don't need immediately for survival. It's entirely possible to entertain yourself without that new PS5.

@Sivah_Akash

3 жыл бұрын

Nicely said. Systemic change is what's needed. Also these corporations too have played a role in making people feel good about their individual contributions. Want to buy junk food but care for the environment? Just "recycle" the packaging! When most won't be or can't be done in most facilities.

@karl5874

3 жыл бұрын

Well put, insightful. I learned something

@HauntaskhanHYPNOSIS

3 жыл бұрын

Capitalism makes ethical consumption impossible.

@baumkuchen6543

3 жыл бұрын

What ? This does not make sense... How do you want to do a change through policy if at the same time you pay money to the company that is lobbying against your cause? Why not doing both ? This counts double in case of company like Amazon which exists not because they have some special services, but because people pick convenience.

To say you shouldn’t even try to boycott Amazon is just ridiculous.

Every dollar counts no matter how small. I won’t support a corrupt business.

So what, we just give up? I’ve been fighting against Walmart for years and while I haven’t taken them down single handily, I still can’t use them in good conscience.

I'm still going to boycott Amazon when I can, I think it's good to find alternatives if there are any to give my money to, especially locally. This doesn't stop me from also pressuring my politicians and supporting anti-Monopoly and Green candidates.

@ericxb

3 жыл бұрын

agreed

@3089280288

2 жыл бұрын

Sears

@HDTomo

2 жыл бұрын

Andromia

@friedmac7146

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! 🇺🇲😎⚓🦅🍺👍

I am boycotting Amazon. Who cares if it won’t hurt them; at least I can sleep at night.

I buy nothing from Amazon. I never have. We can't boycott how?!

WALL-E really got it right with Buy n Large.

As a hockey fan, it was definitely weird to see that Amazon names the arena in Seattle the Climate Pledge Arena... not only is that a really dumb-sounding name, but yeah, as you said, blatant greenwashing and attention-seeking. Could’ve just called it Seattle Arena and still made it an eco-friendly building.

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... Theres some particularly bold level of irony in that it's an arena for artificially frozen ice, as the ice on our planet melts.

I boycott Amazon. It can be done. Quit my prime account and do not use them one bit.

This reminds me of "the Good Place" which is on Netflix right now, where they basically figure out that being "good" is so difficult today because of how complicated everything is. I choose to not buy from Amazon as much as I can, but even more I try to not buy anything. Reducing consumption is so important and it's great for my wallet. I buy less things so that rather than having 10 pairs of jeans, I have 4 pairs that are high quality and purchased at a higher price that's ethically made. However, I neglected that reading books and acquiring knowledge is still a type of consumption.... More to think about.

When studying ecology, and understanding the effects of population dynamics, we studied how a catastrophic event leads to the creation of an old growth forest. The first little bit of time after a disturbance, there is the establishment and regeneration phase, that goes towards the young forest phase, and then to the mature and old growth phase. I've noticed that businesses grow under a similar structure, where they all start out like young trees, small and competitive, but as the forest settles and growth continues, the older trees are able to grow bigger and bigger, making space for new young growth limited, and by the old growth phase, there are only some very old well established trees around, but they have control over all the resources found in the earth around them, and their roots spread far and deep, making new, disturbing growth impossible. The difference is that while trees can only reach a certain size, and eventually fall, companies like amazon do not have a ceiling that limits their growth, like gravity does to a tree, and implementing one would be an uphill battle.

@nuklearboysymbiote

3 жыл бұрын

A company reaches maximum size when their customer is the whole population. That's only possible if they ruin the planet themselves and then offer a ”solution” that you can buy.

The biggest lie I was told is that I should vote with my dollar and not with my voice.

@truptiprashantvaidya4570

3 жыл бұрын

Voting doesn't solve the issue, coz we have the same garbage in and same garbage out. The game is rigged from all sides.

@normalguy898

3 жыл бұрын

@@truptiprashantvaidya4570 voting is still better than doing nothing imo, it’s not as likely to fix the system from within the system but it’s even less likely to fix the system if you don’t try to fix the system. It makes sense to me personally, but I totally understand the frustration with voting and the voting system. Not at all productive and democratic.

@knoxvillehill

2 жыл бұрын

Voting is for losers and peasants. i never voted and my life is great ... i work super hard but make more than a voters

@normalguy898

2 жыл бұрын

@@knoxvillehill Personal anecdotes aren't evidence for the majority

@knoxvillehill

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalguy898 voting hasant benefited most voters and that's a fact. it's a 2 party system with more in common than differences.

amazon has put my business and many others out , stop buying on amazon

I hate when people think you can counteract the consequences of consumerism by battling it’s side effects. This is our approach to health, economics, the environment, and it just shows how engrained this way of thinking has become.

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Breaking up Amazon is a temporary and ineffective fix to a cultural, societal and systemic problem in society.

At first I was wondering how doing business with amazon is currently unavoidable, because amazon is just an online retailer with a couple side businesses. But then you mentioned AWS and i was like " oh yeah... That..." And that doesn't even take into account other huge companies, that are as bad if not worse than amazon...

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

That doesn't mean you should just give up and buy stuff from Amazon anyway! Boycotting Amazon is still an important thing to do

@rfldss89

3 жыл бұрын

@@ster2600 i still avoid their products as much as i feasibly can for sure, but I don't think you can call it a boycott unless your absolutist about it.

I have been boycotting Amazon for 7 years so obviously it's possible. I haven't ONE thing on Amazon. The only thing I cannot escape is using AWS because Salesforce is on it and it's part on my job so... Well...

Not living in the US makes boycotting Amazon somewhat manageable (if one excludes the idea of checking where the website one visits are hosted and taking that into acount...) But nontheless, the core message of this video is crucial : It is a scandal that liberal capitalists have managed to convince so much of the people who would like things to change in the world that the only way to do so is through consuming the proper products or services... The general distrust and disinterest of politics and more specificaly collective political action by the average person has given a freeby to people with power (be it economical or political, both being heavily entertwined). Democracy has been sinking everywhere for a while now, and it is not without link to the insufficient ecological action worldwide...

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

The only way to change things in the world is to convince others to act and think differently. Legislation is only ever designed to match what the status quo is in society.

@912silver

3 жыл бұрын

@@ster2600 Communicating is key to forming a collective, but what is that collective to do? Only more communication? Except we can't convince everyone, especially those powerful people for whom changing their behaviour would mean losing their power... Not without the law... or other forms of collective force powerful enough to threaten them. Either we use the tools at our disposal in the political system... or we need to accept the fact that climate change won't be stopped... at least not without violent mobs threatening companies... if not full fledged revolutions.

Yes, yes, yes! Let's do all those things you say. And let's also stop buying stuff through Amazon when at all possible. I haven't bought through them for the last 2 years. I have found that what I need is always available elsewhere, often through people selling directly online themselves, through their own online stores. I've also found that there are a lot of things I can buy ... get this ... OFFLINE, in brick and mortar stores in my community.

I have not used amazon for nearly 10 years and I survive, haha. It's occasionally frustrating but it isn't that difficult to purchase from local and usa made companies. I realize those companies may be in some way linked with amazon themselves. So, yeah, you're right, we need to break up these monopolies. I know this is a comment on a year old video but if you read this, did you see the new ad for amazon pharmacy? No time like the present to break up Amazon.

I have never bought one thing from Amazon. Even though Google and Amazon have joined forces and harass me to buy through there dodgy search algorithms.

@toniomiklo2406

3 жыл бұрын

My respect to you. Me too I haven't bought anything from Amazon in one year and never will again.

@rajwaasykira2561

3 жыл бұрын

Same with me, though I'm not an adult yet and i haven't had the need to buy stuff, but i don't plan to. Most of things we need are available in local stores anyway

@toniomiklo2406

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mrch33ky In my country Amazon stuff isn't even cheaper than at other online stores, especially electronics, if anything more expensive. Why should I give money to Amazon, which is virtually a slave owner, engages in censorship of books not aligned with its political views, and pays practically no taxes? To have the package delivered a couple of days earlier? No thanks, I'm worth more than that.

@shiraz1736

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mrch33ky ?

@Annnabannanna

3 жыл бұрын

I typed on google “how to make a table” as I was curious. All iff a sydden, amazin ads come flooding inon youtube, table recommendations, hacksaws, machinery to make tables, sandpaper. I use amazon for hair accessories…. What has that got to do with hacksaws and tables…. The algorithm scares me.

If Amazon would really want to help climate change, they could start to always use recyclable packaging (like boxes). I hate it when I receive these brownish bags, they are not recyclable!

You make great points about the futility of boycotting what are essentially oligarchies. However, there is a value in knowing not that you’re hurting the Bezos Empire but that you’re HELPING local businesses or other mega corporations. A great example are books. I buy used books from my library but also new books from dying Barnes & Noble.

I haven’t bought from Amazon for years. Looking at all the companies they own I legitimately use non of them except maybe imdb so it Is possible to boycott it.

The problem here in the states is that most politicians have big corporations in their pockets and work to benefit them over the people they should lobby for

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

Get people to vote for politicians that shun corporate PAC-donations.

@SICresinwrks

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience 100% agree, wish there was less sheep in the United States that just do as others instead of researching and making informed decisions, espically when it comes to elections

Lobbying is legalized corruption. The fact that we have it, and also see it as acceptable, shows how actually primitive human society still is.

I love your perspective on these problems. You've clearly invested a lot of time, research, and thought into what you say, and your ideas avoid cliché entirely, instead digging into the core of the issue at hand. Thank you for continuing to make interesting and enlightening videos!

This is one issue I typically fall more left on. Big tech has gotten out of hand. I just hate when the solution is more government regulation.

I'm so jaded and tired. I'm grateful you inject perspective in me every now and then.

Well I don't care. until Amazon does something to stop the major scalping issues and reselling for inflated prices, I cancelled my prime subscription.

I live in Turkey. Pressuring policymakers doesn’t work. Would love more varied suggestions. (Great video though, honestly).

@ghffhghhdhh3600

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. And he didn't even mention why we SHOULDN'T try baycott amazon. I guess thats the only we can possibly do make something about the issue right now. Politicians wouldnt help neither in a country like Turkey (obviously) nor in America ( as theri ploiticans are all kind of puppets of big coorperations).

Hey I really take issue with the first statement, it leaves celebrities to get more scrutinized for donating a substantial amount of money than not donating at all. and 10B is still 5-10% which is a LOT of money

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

That was my first feeling when I heard the argument, but I've come around to it. The article I cite in the corner and in the description makes a pretty strong case. We imagine that celebrities will just come and save us, when really they are in the top 1% that are causing the most harm, and we need to reign them in, not celebrate them when they give us tiny handouts that make them seem ethical.

@elonchan4883

3 жыл бұрын

Kurtis Baute while I absolutely agree with the resentment harboured towards the upper bourgeoisie, and they need to be reigned it (which is why I like UBI so much, the same things that have made it easy for people to become rich have increased unemployment). But it’s still wrong to judge their donations. I don’t think these donations should affect our fiscal policy, but they should still be applauded

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

@@elonchan4883 The point is they shouldn't have the money in the first place. It's like donating a kidney that you cut out of the body of a person you murdered.

No, it is not really possible to completely boycott amazon, facebook, Google, etc. Conpletely, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't go elsewhere when you can. That also doesnt stop you from contacting your representatives and stressing your concerns. We need to be doing ALL of that if we want change. We cannot use "no ethical consumption under capitalism" as an excuse to continue consuming from unethical sources. There are ethical alternatives for many many things and we need to make sure those get support.

I have already closed my account I will never use them again.

You can boycott Amazon easily, use Ebay instead.

*You* might live in a democracy; I live in the US.

BS boycotting them will hurt the company!!

I hate Amazon. I don't buy anything from those maniacs.

Im boycotting Amazon by going Minimalist. Not only is it good for the environment, but good for my fellow Americans. When you realize how much waste and unnecessary and wasteful crap people have and discard, its just big joke.

It's scary to know I'm born at the perfect time to watch the world die. Atleast that's how it feels for me. Maybe we can do something before it's to late but I feel as if we can't

@Talaxianer

3 жыл бұрын

If it gets too hot you're always free to move to Greenland

Has anyone considered just eating the rich? It's genius lies in it's simplicity.

It’s been awhile bud. Thanks for this. I appreciate you fighting for climate change. Yeah. When rich people say things I just roll my eyes. Boycotting doesn’t really work anyway.

I just canceled my Amazon prime membership and deleted my account. I just boycotted Amazon lol.

@SharatS

3 жыл бұрын

Netflix and Hulu? Also run on AWS.

@carpediem7654

3 жыл бұрын

@@SharatS I canceled both too.

This year I have bought something via Amazon for the first time in my life and felt very bad about it. It was a tiny label that didn't send themselves to anyone except Amazon - I know because I emailed all local stores ... I hate these "big" donations. People doing that avoid much more taxes by those donations. And they interfere in what organizations actually need - because they of course want to show off a shiny project for their money. (Paying for the next ten years of copy paper, ink cartridges or stamped envelopes just doesn't scream "humanitarian donation" as effectively - why really? It's needed just as much!) I often have the feeling we lose our sense of proportion trying to save the environment. We want the perfect thing - and someone (who?) said quite rightly: "Perfect is the enemy of Good." - Clothes with a certain amount of mineral oil product may last much longer than pure natural fibre. - Very thin plastic bags correctly recycled may be more environment friendly than much heavier paper bags. - Selling single use plastic straws to disabled individuals may save more water than having many individual households trying to sterilize glass/ metal/ or silicone straws at least once a day. - Wearing leather of animals that get eaten (at least by other animals) may be more environment friendly than buying everything plastic to avoid animal products. - What about all those unhealthy and not environment friendly fake vegan meat products? - We accept that ants for example change their environment. Plants once changed the whole world! Why can't we accept that we change the environment, too - and instead aim for not leaving scorched earth behind us for too many other species. I have been a moderate environmentalist for more than two decades. But I find some demands of some environmentalists confusingly dogmatic and borderline religious. And unfortunately there's a lot of "either you're all in or you're all out" there. I would really like to learn much more about how to be protective of our environment in moderation, with balance and with an eye for proportion. Not every approach is sustainable for everyone. Thank you very much for a very helpful, informative video!

There's kind of a similar situation with elections in Russia now. With reduced trust in election system, the option of boycotting voting because "it's gonna be staged anyway" is very appealing, to the point that it was considered a major strategy by the opposition. Until somebody realized they can offer candidates as well. And while meeting a lot of resistance, it even seems to work to some extent. Yay for people remembering they actually have tools to act, i guess

Deleted Amazon account today as Chase credit card

To me, this is a big part of what's truly insidious about capitalism. We've become convinced that one tool in the toolbox is the ONLY tool when it's not even the most effective one when it comes down to it.

This aged badly

I missed the part where you explain why we shouldnt even try

@BenjaminKlein96

3 жыл бұрын

The whole video explains that we should boycott the system, not amazon. Go for the head, not the leg.

I'm under the impression that what people, (especially those are drawn to powerful positions), care about is money and control. So it makes sense to me that limiting the money going towards these people will affect their decisions. I mean I know /I'd/ consider changing my habits if I was told I'd be paid less. But I'm willing to sacrifice some convenience if it would make this world better. Plus, I'm pretty sure most if not all of those websites should have alternatives? In saying that, contacting your congress member sounds like a good idea too.

Idk, that sounds like something amazon would say

the gizmodo series on “cutting out the bug 5 tech companies” is really illuminating on this topic! the journalist who does it makes it really clear how ubiquitous these companies are in our lives & how we need structural change in order to fix it

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating, indeed! Here's the link for others: gizmodo.com/i-cut-the-big-five-tech-giants-from-my-life-it-was-hel-1831304194

Enough of this censorship - leave them now

You just gotta do research on the companies owned by amazon and look for alternatives.

We have not forgotten what it is like to live in a democracy because to the relevant extent (i. e. democratic organisation of the economy) we* have never lived in one. Public control of the economy is the way out of that system which allows for this concentration of wealth and (thus) power. *refers at least to every one living in the so-called West, i. e. the Anglo-European sphere (except for East Germany)

I find it sad that I had to go to the description to check for a sponsorship tag when you started talking about books because so many people do sponsorships for things they don’t actually like. I’m glad that it’s not sponsored though and I’m probably going to listen to books from there instead though I generally do more reading than listening

What about turning big tech into public utilities so they can be regulated?

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

Bring it On!

Great video! Starting to really put the finger where it hurts. Now the next step would be to know how to change politics, knowing that in several ways politics is owned by the rich, and knowing that most of the poor just want to be like the rich! Maybe videos like these will help people look at these issues from a different perspective, with less illusions.

I think you chose the wrong title for this video; it should be more like ‘how to put Amazon monopoly in check’.

On the one hand, existential dread, on the other hand, more books! Thanks for the video.

As a European I can easily live my life without Amazon (except for AWS), for now. And I'll continue to principally not buy anything from Amazon.

@daniellassander

3 жыл бұрын

If you dont like amazon you should really get off the internet because one hell of a lot of it is hosted by amazon web services. I mean you probably think that the majority of amazons income comes from selling stuff on the amazon website, thats not really true 54% of their income comes directly from amazon web services. Which by the way was at least in part invented by Jeff Bezos himself. You see Amazon had a huge problem with their old distribution system when Amazon was young, the problem was that none of their computer programs could actually talk with each other, so you always needed a lot of manpower to get information from one system into the next, this caused delays, cost money and in general gave the customers a lower quality service. So Jeff Bezos invested several billions of dollars into creating a system where the computer programs actually could talk to each other. That grew into Amazon Web Services, which today takes care of one hell of a lot of the infrastructure of the whole world wide web. So if you are against Amazon, get off the internet.

@tim8323

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniellassander I know this story. I find it difficult to see how much impact I would personally have. However, getting of the internet would do more harm than good. I wouldn't be able to continue my study, fill in online tax forms and other government affairs, apply for a job, or contribute to or fully take part in an increasingly digital society. It's too easy to say if you don't like Amazon don't use the internet. Besides, Amazon may make more money from AWS than their e-commerce, but they wont, by any means, be able to make money from me personally by me visiting websites using AWS than me making a single puchase from Amazon.

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniellassander You say that as if AWS has no competitors? By boycotting Amazon, you don't have to never visit websites hosted by AWS, but you just shouldn't host your own website with them. And you should tell others not to host a website with them.

Boycott Amazon

Idk understand what you mean. As a French, I have a lot of small business to buy my stuff. Since I'm not into audiobooks, Idc about audible. And the only thing that interests me on amazon prime is the lotr series. I will try to snuggle my way around :)

Why am I absolutely hopeless anything will ever be done in this direction and we just need to hold onto what's left of our lives and not care?

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

Because you as an individual have little that you can do alone. But that doesn't mean you have to give up. You should campaign for your legislators to pass climate legislation, join/donate to organisations such as XR and participate in their demonstrations (not necessarily breaking the law), reduce your carbon footprint and boycott companies which don't care about the environment, and most of all convince other people to do similarly. Even as an individual if you do a few of these you can start a process that will change the beliefs of society to realise that this is a real threat.

If you're looking for physical books, a great alternative to amazon is bookshop.org! And the Overdrive app gets you ebooks and audiobooks for free through your local library!

Google Servers are at least powered renewably mostly. Amazon isn't!

Another excellent and clear video. Thank you!!

I love Amazon. I'm 45/50 miles from any big box store, Mall or anything like that. So Amazon is a big deal for me. I just called my local hardware store which is 17 miles away and I asked them do you have a way to get rid of the old 18 volt batteries from my power tools. He said yeah bring them in and throw them in a dumpster . That's where I live . So much for Green , huh .

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

You shouldn't love amazon as it is destroying the planet, destroying democracy and treating its workers terribly. If you find it convenient that they bring stuff to you (as if no other company in the world offers that) then you are simply missing the point.

I saw you were replying to comments that say "10 billion dollars is 10 billion dollars" with, "he hasn't donated yet". While that is a good rebuttal to this argument. What's your opinion on that argument if, someone does donate the money? I personally think that it doesn't matter the percentage of wealth, but I'm open to hearing, and considering other new thoughts.

I have never ever bought anything from Amazon. Don't need to...one can get everything from real small shop owners. But I don't live in USA...lol

Does the book cover UK law? Looking for what steps we can take here in the UK

I know it's not the point of the video, but when super-rich people day they will "give away" money, they don't actually have to. And they don't. If they tell you that they're giving away x cash, what they actually do is put it in a trust (that they still own), and then when there are any taxable profits, they give the tax amount to charity and claim that against tax. The assets are still theirs, they give away *nothing* - they just use a tax dodge to make them seem like they're being altruistic, for the PR. The reality is that the lower tier tax payers (YOU) end up having to pay the shortfall in tax this creates. I.e. they take money out of YOUR pocket in order to convince YOU that they're being nice.

We can't do the job of politicians studying and auditing the infinite implications of every step we make and hoping enough people do the same. We can't judge our host or family rejecting or questioning how was the food that he serve us produced for ethical reasons. So much effort only produces division and bitterness. Its a big trap. On the other hand, at least in my country, there is no political organization to vote for. I think we are doomed, but we can must pursuit the most peace, love and pleasure and not ruining our life because some evil people.

Well said Kurtis :) Why treat the symptoms if you can prevent the illness?

That list is large but i still think amazon is boycottable

Hi! Is there any reason one should prefer tech companies other than say Apple?

Well I just did...

Boycott Big tech. Its the way of life.

Zephyr teachout wrote a article about boycotts (which was a.... ok, you beat me to it!

Hey some criticism/advice that I think you could do well with: When discussing climate change you almost sound like a conspiracist (not that you are but thats how you come off), so I think that if you put some data & a higher video quality that explain your points in a way everyone will understand your videos would be viewed a lot more & even shared a lot more. Also disabling advertisements on your videos push them out of people's recommended so people don't see them. But I am also a big fan of your Vlog like videos (ei: your videos about living in a suspended tent to stop that pipeline)

**Sponsored by Amazon**

I miss the street corner shops!

switch from goodreads to librarything.

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooohhhh I hadn't heard of them! I tried storygraph but their features are still limited. I'm signing up! :D thanks!

Give that money to help family owned business on not a selfish person like him. Try to work at Amazon and will understand what does mean to work like a slave and help him and his company become richer

Thank you so much!!!

I hate to be a pessimist, but I wonder. How does my voice I have any chance of being heard when these massive companies how so much invested in lobbying and swaying politicians to create policy that helps them keep their fortunes? I’ve always tried to be an “ethical consumer” and I found this video very thought-provoking!

I haven’t bought anything on Amazon in 3 years.

@ScopeofScience

3 жыл бұрын

But you've still used their products and services

@markm0000

3 жыл бұрын

Kurtis Baute I looked over the entire list of their products and the companies they’ve purchased and I can say with a straight face I have only used AWS (because it’s half the internet) and IMDB (sometimes when I don’t know a detail about a movie). That’s it. I don’t buy anything or use anything else from Amazon on their website, on my phone, or with home technology. I used to have Prime and Fire and I bought so much garbage that only filled up my brain with useless information and cluttered my house with stuff I don’t need. I call myself a minimalist now and it’s fun to see how much stuff I can comfortably put away in a locked closet and not think about for months. Every once in a while I do a purge of that stuff and most of it gets donated.

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience So that means we should give up and sell our souls to them? What exactly do you expect politicians to do about it? They can split it up until another one comes along that is just as bad, or they can regulate it which Amazon will find ways around like they do with tax. The *only* way to fix the problem is to stop using it as much as possible and tell others to do the same.

I don't know if you've heard about kickstarter campaign against audible. It is great. (Also, thanks for the video)

Thank you!

What can you do if you're in Canada? Or Vancouver to be more specific

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

Don't use Amazon :)

We don’t live in a democracy, we live in a constitutional republic.

@craigstephenson7676

3 жыл бұрын

Who tf cares we know he didn’t mean we live in a direct democracy

@acomatosemob

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, and our politicians listen more to their big donors (Bezos, AT&T, BP, Koch, etc) than they do to the people they should be working for; everyday citizens.

I never used amazon

Am I the only one who thinks Kurtis looks a bit like Steve Augeri?

Well spoken and I love the way ur apartment looks 😯👌

@SL-nv6zv

2 жыл бұрын

I do too....its very comfy and homey looking.

Even the products not owned by Amazon, probably use Amazon services. Amazon S3 for example, cheap, fast file storage.

I think there are more important things to do right now Such as in developing countries 1) segregation of waste - only handful top tier cities are successful rests piles up in landfill Loss of valuable compost/cng/recyclable materials 2) promoting solar energy systems Thermal plant cannot be stopped due to the subsidies provided by the government, hence money-back scheme after fixed tenure by reselling to grid by solar energy can push peoples perspective over renewable energy 2a) now that people have surplus renewable energy, people will be more willing to buy E vehicles But the real problem is, who is willing to take a step to make it happen?🙄, Will you join to me to make it happen?

We didn't LET them, we were DECIEVED by them!

It gets even worse. I don't live in the US so there is not much I can do about them without completely distancing myself from the internet.

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

That's simply not true. You can't just give up on it because you think that it's impossible. There are ways that you can improve your consumption, and that starts by decreasing how much you consume. Then boycotting Amazon whereever practical.

@AnimilesYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@ster2600 well, to be completely honest I have nothing to do with Amazon as far as I'm aware. But to me Facebook and Google are the main problem. And that sadly isn't a matter of consumerism :/

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnimilesYT How is that not a matter of consumerism? If you disagree with them, you should avoid using them wherever possible. It's your desire to consume their media and products which draws you to them.

@AnimilesYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@ster2600 It is impossible to get any form of educational degree without google. (I tried to use bing for a little while but it is surprisingly terrible). I also need an internet connected device to get information from the government or other things. I can either devote myself completely to the expensive Apple ecosystem, or I have to deal with Google. Even Windows' Edge is built on Chromium. I mostly use Firefox for the same reason though. But I still use youtube a lot because no other platform offers something somewhat equivalent for entertainment, edutainment, education, etc. For many things like sports clubs or group projects at school we communicate using whatsapp which is owned by Facebook. I have tried to stop using whatsapp and tried to use Signal. But no one was willing to use that app so I had no other choice. I also really like to play Beat Saber which is owned by Facebook. And I don't have a Facebook account, but they are still tracking me on most websites because many websites have some sort of Facebook integration.

@ster2600

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnimilesYT I use duckduckgo and I am getting an "educational degree". I use books or my own notes a lot of the time anyway. You can have an internet-connected device without being part of the Microsoft/Apple/Google ecosystem, Linux is an operating system which is completely separate from these. Microsoft's Edge is built on the Chromium engine, which is open source software. So Google doesn't have significant control over Microsoft Edge. Firefox is great and I use it, but also there are browsers such as Brave or de-googled Chromium. KZread is impossible to replace properly at this time, along with a large number of social media applications, but I would strongly disagree that these are necessary or even positive for most people. I consider all time I spend on KZread wasted time. Education on this platform is either entertainment under the guise of education, or it doesn't get many views. In my opinion almost every single video game is evil proprietary software and also a completely pointless way to bide time until you die. But the point isn't to completely avoid everything all at once, that would require massive sacrifices on your part. But if you consider how unethical, unsustainable and immoral your way of life is as a consumer, you can realise that there are ways to escape that consumerist capitalist mindset and slowly transition away from it. And that starts with not giving your money away to the richest man in the world, Jeff Bezos, by boycotting Amazon.

In Switzerland, we rarely use Amazon, because nothing is being delivered to us! xD

ThriftBooks has great used books and I don’t think is owned by amazon. It’s not that hard to not buy but you’re right I use 34% of the internet.