In Czech Republic there is a holiday for remembering John Hus and his fight for true. He is one of most important figures of Czech nation

Wow… I knew what happened to Hus was bad, but this was horrific. Your description of the events made me want to cry. It reminds me of the injustice of Christ’s trial & execution.

Hus and Tyndale were living proof that there was no negotiating with the Catholic church of the time. Some Catholic brothers naively believe Luther had some opportunity to do a change without dividing the church... Nothing further from the truth. The pyre would be Luther's destiny if not for the good will of some Bavarian nobles who chose to protect him.

@haroldgamarra7175

Жыл бұрын

Some brave nobles who chose to protect him, unlike what some noble did to Hus.

@xintimidate

Жыл бұрын

The papacy is the Antichrist. There is no negotiating with the beast

@ThetaMinistries

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. If Luther dropped his 95 theses and recanted as pope Leo X told him to, then there would’ve been no reformation.

Hus was a hero. I love his conformity to Jesus Christ in his death and life. I didn’t know how brave and loving he was (also how orthodox his doctrine was). He’s an example to us all. Thanks :)

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way. Thanks Will.

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

“You are going to burn a goose, but in one hundred years you will have a swan which you can neither roast nor boil.” -Jan Hus

@nrbmemes2414

3 ай бұрын

Martin Luther

@King_of_Blades

28 күн бұрын

Just looked this up and seems like Luther changed it, but it is interesting. Before his execution, Hus is said to have declared, "You may kill a weak goose [Hus is Czech for "goose"], but more powerful birds, eagles and falcons, will come after me." Luther modified the statement and reported that Hus had said that they might have roasted a goose, but that in a hundred years a swan which you can neither burn or boil.

The stories of reformation martyrs keep me protestant

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

Zbigniew, the Teachings of Holy Scripture and the Catholic Church, keep me Catholic! Sadly, Catholic Christians were killed by Protestant leaders as well. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@protestantwarrior1516

3 жыл бұрын

amen, I love to read these Great men of God.

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@protestantwarrior1516 me too, such as the many Catholic Priests and lay people out to death by Protestants, as they inspire me so much to remain Catholic! Sadly, abuse of power is found in all Denominations! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@roshankurien203

3 жыл бұрын

Don't confuse objective truth from failed morality all have fallen short of the Glory of God..you don't break away from the church cos some men have had moral failures...There was no new seat of David when Men who sat on that seat throughout Jewish history failed...it was only fullifed in Christ..But ppl didn't protest and make a new seat of David...

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

@Dustin Neely Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, built His Church on Peter the rock. I was referring to the Protestants that killed Catholic priests and lay people that Dr. Ortland conveniently left out! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

And if Luther didn't go into hiding and was protected, he would have suffered the same fate as Hus by the RCC.

I think you laid the video out well that it’s not about RC vs Protestants, but how Christians can lose sight of scriptural teachings and become cruel in the name protecting the Church.

@zekdom

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

@mynameis......23

Жыл бұрын

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

@TheChadPad

Жыл бұрын

Let's not call those people Christians. In that moment, they were Roman Catholics, not Christians

@thomasc9036

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChadPad The same abuses happen in Protestant churches as well. SBC sexual abuse investigation revealed few churches silently settled on sexual abuses to protect the reputation of churches. Because offenders were not publically revealed, they were able to find other youth pastoral positions and continue their sexual immorality. Jesus Christ taught that the sins of elders/church leadership should be publically revealed to the church. Hiding these behaviors just exacerbates the problem.

When I was struggling with some of our differences with the Roman catholic Church, ur video reuqesting Cameron Bertuzzi to continue to remain on the path popped up. I've been regularly watching ur videos since then and they have helped me a lot. Thank U Gavin for all the hardwork u put in the making of these videos.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

So glad to hear that! Thanks so much for letting me know.

@TRINITYTVint

2 жыл бұрын

Halleluja

@jonahmenikoff1997

2 жыл бұрын

what video was that?

@Particularly_John_Gill

2 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites what’s that video called?

@chromatticxbl4341

2 жыл бұрын

which video was that?

Hus is venerated as a saint in some Eastern Orthodox churches.

A great martyr and Saint

Thank you, Truth will set us free, from sin and for virtuous living!

Thank you Gavin for this video. I've learnt a lot about Huss and he died. GOD bless you 🙏🏻.

I visited Prague for Christmas markets, saw the statue, Googled it and was shocked by what I found. John Hus was a man of Jesus Christ. May he rest with the Lord.

I forever will be evangelical Protestant Christian. I think the reforms were beyond needed and you are accurate to say it was very bad. A good accurate movie on Luther is "Luther" made in I think 2003, with Joseph Fiennes. The miracles that happened during his life was just spectacular. And Luther did say while on trial that he was a bit harsh in his criticisms, and my understanding was he was trying to appeal to the Catholic church with reason.

@KunchangLeeMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

The council of Constance, together with the subsequent papal bull against the hussites, seems to provide sufficient evidence for us to be able to safely reject the magisterial infallibility hypothesis.

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

@he7230

3 жыл бұрын

@Tailor Barrett, I suppose you approve of the Spanish inquisition as well?

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

@@he7230 why would you suppose that?

@he7230

3 жыл бұрын

@ Taylor Barrett, based on your other comments, you seemed to think that the burning of heretics was ok. You mentioned Ananias and Sapphira in one of your other comments. They weren't killed for heresy. Nowhere in the Bible or the church fathers is the killing of heretics permitted.

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

@@he7230 I pointed out that Peter had authority to kill them. I didn't say I approved of his use of authority. And no one debates - no Protestant debates - that the Bible did give the Jewish people authority to kill heretics and sinners. The thrust of my other comment, however, was that even if authority is abused, misused - even if incredibly gravely evil acts are committed - this doesn't mean the authority isn't valid, isn't God-ordained, etc. For example, a Davidic King or a High Priest could commit incredibly evil acts like murder, etc, and yet remain the divine authority.

Wow, you weren't kidding about the 1655 massacre. That was eye opening.

Thank you Gavin! Love the comment and the help on understanding history of the Church. God bless you and Yours, keep churning for our Lord!

Wow that was heavy. Thank you for making this video Dr.

This is what power on Earth invariably entails. Make no mistake

I'd learned in Bible school that when the RCC burned Jan Hus, they bragged that they cooked his goose (Hus meant goose). This was gruesome, and the Roman clergy did much the same to Archbishop Thomas Cranmer and other bishops in England. They burned at least 288 English reformers in just 4 years (1555-1558). J.C. Ryle's book, "Five English Reformers," tells the details. The RCC is the only church that martyred thousands of sincere followers of Christ over theological/doctrinal disagreements. How could any "church" do that, in light of Jesus' command to love your enemies?

I really love your content 😍🤩💙💙💙 you talk about topics so important for us

I felt this one deeply. 🙏

Amen. God is Truth. Jesus is the only way to unite. Keep it up.

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

@colmwhateveryoulike3240

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfganghuss3352 I'm not familiar with that name. I searched Janhu(beta?) and literally nothing came up.

Thank you for this video.

Thank you Gavin. Please do a video about the Bartholomew's Day, massacre of French Huguenots (Protestants) in Paris on August 24/25, 1572.

I really appreciate this kind of video, bringing awareness to such events. I’m new to church history - haven’t even scratched the surface - so I hope to see more informative videos in the future.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks zekdom! Will keep them coming.

@peterk.6930

3 жыл бұрын

What Gavin very rightly denounces here is freedom of conscience. Over the centuries, the church had a very bad reputation in this regard. It persecuted numerous groups with so-called heretical beliefs. Especially Jews, Waldensians and Protestants. If the church could not convince with words, she took the sword ... Charlemagne forced thousands of Saxons to be baptized. They had a choice: either baptism or beheading. Ferdinand and Isabelle of Aragon, los reyes catholicos, took the same approach. It was this intolerant policy against which the German states "protested" at Speyer (1529). It turned out that freedom of conscience, was not always safe among Protestants unfortunately. Jean Calvin allowed Michael Servetus to be burned at the stake. Martin Luther wrote his gruesome epistle, Über die Jüden und ihre Lügen, urging that all synagogues be burned ... For me, the great examples who have defended freedom of conscience are neither Luther nor Calvin, but in addition to the German princes: Sebastian Castellio, Dirck Coornhert and William the Silent (Willem van Oranje).

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterk.6930 Sadly, Protestants put many Catholic priests and lay people to death as well! Unfortunately, there is abuse of power in all denominations! Dr. Ortland conveniently left this out! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@andrewlawson7388

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbroderick8756 Please don't mischaracterize Dr. Ortland as *conveniently* leaving Protestant abuses out - he even addresses that in this video. We ought to be able to tell from his disposition that Dr. Ortland isn't making these videos to score cheap points against Roman Catholics.

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewlawson7388 please don't cover for Dr. Ortland, as Dr. Ortland states that the Catholic Church has persecuted his Baptist tradition. With no evidence of course! Why didn't Dr. Orland entitle the video" "Every person who was put to death for their beliefs is a story that should not be forgotten ". Why just Jan Hus? Dr. Ortland has made several anti Catholic videos! Good try though to cover for him! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

Today many martyrs in muslim countries ....a young Girl in Saudi Arabia Who met Christians on internet....became Christian for 3 months praying studying bible on internet ...her family Found out...they gave her 3 hours to think after her Brother with families consent burned her face with acid..then her back then put a knife through her Heart ...she never met in person another christian.....she wrote a letter to Jésus put it on Line....go read it....very touching

@MontoyaBrandy

Жыл бұрын

She is blessed and with our Lord!

This is thoughtful and insightful, and we cannot ignore how these actions created the environment for the Reformation. However there are deeper issues here in ecclesiology than simply the difference between Protestants and Catholics. In my home country of Scotland far more Presbyterians were executed in horrific ways during the Killing Times by the Stuart Government trying to impose an Episcopalian Church on Presbyterian Scotland to facilitate great control by the monarchy and aristocracy than were by Catholics during the Reformation. The Presbyterians also carried out atrocities against the Episcopalians. In the country I know minister in the Swiss Brethren were horrifically persecuted by Zwingli and the Reformers These deeper issues have to do with the relation between the church and state and Christian ethics in relation to violence. These issues lives in as the recent American election and the impact it had on evangelicalism show.

@toddvoss52

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Westlake for this perspective!

Its a good practice to sneak icons of Huss into catholic churches and leave them in the narthex.

@permanenceaesthetic6545

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly made me laugh out loud!

@DouglasHorch

2 жыл бұрын

@@permanenceaesthetic6545 yeah...too bad there are no Huss Icons...yet.

@permanenceaesthetic6545

2 жыл бұрын

@@DouglasHorch Perhaps that possibility is not so far off after all... www.google.com/amp/s/godkingandnation.wordpress.com/2020/10/03/is-jan-hus-a-saint-in-orthodoxy/amp/

@DouglasHorch

2 жыл бұрын

@@permanenceaesthetic6545 oooooooh it's on.

Loved this video. You sound like my professor

@Truth Unites - Do you have any recommendations for good introductions to Christian history? Thanks.

I recently starting dipping into Catholic Church history, as well as the people and events leading up to the Protestant Reformation, and I'm quite shocked, and rather disappointed by my findings. What deepened me sadly, (in addition to things like the 30 Year War, that resulted in millions of people dying)--is the rabid anti-Semitism of men like Justin Martyr, Luther, Calvin, and Chrysostom..(just to name a few.)

Really appreciate what you had to say about showing what the scene was like that the reformers were responding to. I think a lot of people today use stories like this to shame Catholics today (I was really interested to hear that the Catholic church officially apologized in 1999!), but I think you're right that instead we need to use stories like this to really just create an understanding of Luther and why he did what he did. I'll be interested to see how you substantiate what you said about other people receiving treatment like Huss did.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephen. The Waldensians are a group that was terribly persecuted as well. Pope Francis apologized for this as well in 2015. Other persecutions include other Hussites (like Jerome of Prague), the Albigensians, and English reformers like William Tyndale and others.

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

Stephen, Sadly, Protestants put Catholic priests and lay people to death too! There is abuse of power in all denominations! Luther left the Church to ascribe to faith alone and Scripture alone, both of which are not found in Holy Scripture! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@hcho7776

2 жыл бұрын

127 Don’t allow the human failings of My Church to turn your back on Me Thursday, June 30th, 2011 @ 20:00 My dearly beloved daughter, I smile this evening with joy in My Heart, for at last, younger people are hearing My Word through the Internet just as foretold. In this way more people will be able to tell the world how to prepare for The Warning. My Heart bursts with joy when I see the love that My children have for Me in every corner of the Earth. My Love never dies. They, My beloved followers, are full of My Love, which they feel in their hearts. Now they can tell the world, including the cynics, how much they revere Me by praising My Glory to all. For those courageous and loving creatures of Mine will now attract those who resist Me to the Truth as to why they are on this Earth in the first instance. Heaven rejoices with those who openly proclaim their love for Me on the Internet. My Love for them surges forth so that My graces will be showered over each of them, stretching from one corner of the globe to the other. I now come to save you before the Day of Judgment Remember one lesson, children. The Truth of My Teachings never changed. Human error, the sins of My sacred servants and those who have abused the Truth to suit their own ambitions may have soiled My Name, but they never changed Who I Am. I Am the Saviour of mankind. I came the first time to save you to allow for the forgiveness of sin. I now come again to save you before the Day of Judgment. Because My Love is so Powerful, it will now permeate throughout the world by the Power of the Holy Spirit to draw you back into the fold of My tender Love. Feel My Love now, children. Don’t allow your disappointment with the human failings of My Church to turn your back on Me, Jesus Christ or My Eternal Father. To those who turned their back on Me because of the sins of the Church It is because of sin that you were tempted to block out the Truth. Those of you who blame the Church for your lack of belief in Me are not being honest with yourselves, for if you truly love Me, you would not make excuses. Satan is everywhere in the world now, children, trying to convince you, at every opportunity, that your faith is not relevant, not important, that your faith will not guarantee you a place in Heaven. In some cases you believe that the Mercy of God is endless and that you can be saved once you live a life where you do not cause harm to others. You very often challenge Me when you blame Me for the evil in the world. This is when you become angry with Me and God the Eternal Father. How can God stand back and allow such evil to manifest itself in the world? Where murder, rape, abortion, torture, greed and poverty exist? You must stop now and hear Me. Remember that sin, caused by Satan, who most people today do not believe exists, can infest every single one of you because of the Gift you were given by your Creator, God the Father. This Gift of free will is given to everyone. Some use this Gift for good works, where they show love to all, while others abuse it to take advantage of others. When Satan attracts those, through their weak free will, then they become capable of committing great atrocities. Free will is yours, children. When it becomes contaminated through sin, havoc in the world results. God the Father cannot force you to stop doing something whether it is right or wrong, for He will not interfere with your free will. He will always encourage you to pray in order to receive the graces needed to avoid sin. It will be through your free will that you will make one of two decisions. Turn to God or allow yourself to be seduced by the lies of Satan, who will twist your mind away from the Truth. Remember, I Am the Truth. Satan does not want you to see the Truth. He will use your intelligence and present sophisticated arguments to seduce you. He can even convince you that something is evil when it is good. So when you believe that it is hypocritical to turn to prayer in praise of God the Father because of the sins of the Church, you must recognise this deceit for what it is, another way to encourage you to turn away from Me. The Truth. Now, children, show Me your love by standing up and defending My Name in a disbelieving world. Very soon you will encourage others to hear your views. Just as those who claim they don’t believe in Me shout aloud how much they hate Me, you must now tell the world that you love Me. Only then will massive conversion be stirred in the world. Let Me raise you up now so you can prepare My children to enter My New Paradise on Earth. Remember, only those who believe in Me and My Eternal Father can enter this Paradise. Go now and bring Me the multitudes. Your beloved Saviour Jesus Christ The Book of Truth Second Coming of Jesus Christ

@hcho7776

2 жыл бұрын

1321 Enoch and Elijah will not be present in human form Thursday, January 29th, 2015 @ 21:30 My dearly beloved daughter, it will be the Roman Catholics and the Jews who will face the greatest opposition in the times ahead. They will suffer discrimination, opposition and hatred as the apostasy strangles humanity. Their voices will be silenced as falsities devour the minds of God’s children when the evil one deceives the world into rejecting the Word of God. These two witnesses will continue to proclaim the Truth through those amongst them who are strong enough to spread the Fire of the Holy Spirit until the Great Day of the Lord descends upon humanity. The spirits of Enoch and Elijah will flood their souls and they will cause outrage when they bear testament to God, the Truth and the Life, which billions will reject. As foretold, these two witnesses will be opposed and fought against but woe to the man who tries to destroy them for God will punish His enemies to allow these two to keep the flame of His Love alive in a world, which will be covered with the darkness of apostasy. Enoch and Elijah will not be present in human form but know this. They will be present in the spirit of these two witnesses and it will be through their suffering that God will redeem those who are blind to the Truth. Never fear the Truth, fear only those who are filled with such hatred for Me, Jesus Christ, that they will stoop to every wicked act in order to keep these two witnesses silent. But, they will have no impact for the Fire of the Holy Spirit will pour from their mouths like a sword and cut into the hearts of those who are in the greatest need of God’s Mercy. Then, when the time comes, these two religions will be banned and those who dare to practice them openly will be accused of committing a crime. Burnt to the ground the Temples will become mounds of ashes and the world will delight in the destruction of God’s Faithful and celebrate their demise. After that, the sound of God’s Voice will be heard in every corner of the world and out of the ashes will arise the New Beginning, the New Jerusalem a new pure world without sin. Your Jesus The Book of Truth Second Coming of Jesus Christ

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

"Ir is completely contrary to the ways of Jesus Christ to burn somebody to death... " Exactly. The persons responsible for John Hus's execution could not possibly have been followers of Christ.

@palabraviva5840

11 ай бұрын

Sooooo true

Thanks again Gavin. What you do is so valuable. By the way. As I mediated on the mindset, attitude and rage behind the condemnation of Hus, the attitude of a certain one of your Augustine critics came to mind. Just sayin'.

I love my Roman Catholic brothers and I have great respect for much of the tradition and history, also understanding that Protestantism ultimately has its roots in Catholicism. But taking the Roman Catholic understanding of the church and the gates of hell, events like this do look very much look like the gates of hell prevailing against the church and the church not being immune to error. I know most Catholics of today wouldn’t defend the burning of heretics. And they would also say that injustices and evil such as this isn’t an example of the church being in error as they define it, but it sure does look like it to me.

Jan Hus is considered a Saint and a martyr in the Greek, Czechoslovakian and Polish (Autocephalous) Orthodox Churches, since they (the Easterners) believe that what he taught was closer to Orthodoxy than Rome.

You can cook this goose but a swan will come that you won't be able to silence.

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

There's no real evidence that he actually said that. It's a legend that comes from after Luther's reformation, not before.

@Adam-ue2ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 it's not a legend that comes after as Luther himself knew the reference and seemed to believed he was full filling it..."St. John Hus prophesied about me when he wrote from his prison in Bohemia, “They will roast a goose now (for Hus means a goose [in Czech]), but in a hundred years they will hear a swan singing that they will have to put up with.” And that is the way it will be, if God wills. In the Weimar Edition, this quote is footnoted by the editors as follows: At the beginning of his imprisonment in Constance, at the end of 1414, thus a half-year before his death at the stake, Huss wrote to his friends in Prague the words that sound like a prophecy: “And this same truth has sent to Prague many falcons and eagles, which surpass the other birds in sharpness of vision, in replacement of the one weak and easily eliminated Goose. High above they are flying back and forth in this grace of God and snatching many birds for Christ Jesus, who will make them strong and will establish all his faithful” (Documenta Magistri Iohannis Hus ed. F. Palacky, Prag 1869, Epistolae Nr. 17, p. 40).

@Adam-ue2ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 as for Legend it's kind of calling the kettle black as Roman Catholics are quite happy to believe many things on Legend or tradition that have no historical proof.

@Adam-ue2ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 Huss was known to do word plays with his surname. He was exiled from his home city of Prague in 1412 and, while in exile, he wrote a letter to the “believers in Prague.” He referred to his enemies as those who wanted to “entwine the simple bird in the snare of citations and anathemas.” Huss goes on to write: “But if that bird, which is a mere domestic fowl, whose flight is circumscribed, and far from lofty, has broken through their nets, how much more will other birds that soar aloft as they announce the Word of God, despise such intellectual wiles.

@Adam-ue2ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 Roman Catholicism produced more than 90 forged papal decretals. Pseudo-Isidore also produced a compendium of forged secular legislation pretending to be the laws of Charlemagne and Louis the Pious, under the pseudonym Benedictus Levita (Benedict the Deacon).

The Moravian church is truly incredible. They faced brutal trials.

the truth is important...following Jesus always has a price

Hi Gavin! Do you have a list of books somewhere that you would recommend a student read to dive deeper into church history? My experience so far stops with Augustine and some of the reformers.

@mindhackdiva3346

Жыл бұрын

I’m not Gavin, but I will recommend you to read Nick Needham book it’s called 2,000 Years of Christ’s Power it is a set, and is it overview or could read the work by Philip Schaff on online Christian Classics Ethereal Library you can read all his works on Early Church Fathers also you could read to History of the Christian Church by Philip Schaff online to

@mindhackdiva3346

Жыл бұрын

this is the website, name, of Christian Classics Ethereal Library if you want to read Philip Schaff's work on Christian history you could

@HearGodsWord

Жыл бұрын

I am reading through Nick Needham's volumes at the moment. They are very good.

As a evangelical catholic I always separate the actions of the Curia from the average Roman Catholic. The Papacy must always be publicly held accountable for its public errors. The Papacy may have apologized for some of its deeds, but it still retains the triple crown and claims all temporal power. We can thank God that the Bishop of Rome has been stripped of its temporal authority lest it return to previous folly. The Pope's have moved on to new errors

Something I started thinking about while watching this video was theonomy. You mentioned that you don’t think that the church should carry out capital punishment and such, but Israel did. Perhaps you can make a video addressing this issue with your concerns as to why you believe what you believe on the matter?

@MontoyaBrandy

Жыл бұрын

Old Testament vs new. It’s not the same laws and Jesus set of free. We obey God but vengeance is His not ours.

May Jan Hus RIP 🙏

7:00 well you start by finding a window...

*Paraphrasing, not exact quotes* 16:26 - Jan Hus was friendly to much of Catholic theology. 16:56 - Jan Hus did not approve of indulgences. Even before the Reformation, indulgences were seen as a problem by certain people. Fascinating stuff. 17:11 - Jan Hus was calling for clergy to remain on the narrow path. Also, he believed that, when the clergy live in mortal sin and abandon piety, they forfeit their clerical authority.

@matthewbroderick8756

3 жыл бұрын

Zekdom, indulgences are Biblical. Sadly, there was an abuse of indulgences within some clergy members. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

The silver lining from this is his followers survived and some of them, the Moravians, settled in the US and still exist today.

You mentioned the history of persecution. I’ve noticed your channel stays away from marginally Christian groups such as Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses. They’ve largely been rejected as part of the body of Christ (I accept their baptisms, but I know I’m a minority) but what are your thoughts as to their persecution? The Missouri Mormon Extermination Order (that was still in effect until the 1990s) for example.

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**I come in peace!** Ok, "when the clergy abandon godliness, they forfeit clerical authority...and therefore a priest in mortal sin cannot administer sacraments" - yeah that's Donatism. St. Augustine and friends condemned and were outspoken against this. Hus promulgated a known heresy. Anyways, my question: Of the 30 condemned articles listed on modern encyclical sources, which ones did Hus not preach? I saw you mentioned 39 articles from a biography. Can we measure them up? 1. There is only one holy universal church, which is the total number of those predestined to salvation. It therefore follows that the universal holy church is only one, inasmuch as there is only one number of all those who are predestined to salvation. 2. Paul was never a member of the devil, even though he did certain acts which are similar to the acts of the church’s enemies. 3. Those foreknown as damned are not parts of the church, for no part of the church can finally fall away from it, since the predestinating love that binds the church together does not fail. 4. The two natures, the divinity and the humanity, are one Christ. 5. A person foreknown to damnation is never part of the holy church, even if he is in a state of grace according to present justice; a person predestined to salvation always remains a member of the church, even though he may fall away for a time from adventitious grace, for he keeps the grace of predestination. 6. The church is an article of faith in the following sense: to regard it as the convocation of those predestined to salvation, whether or not it be in a state of grace according to present justice. 7. Peter neither was nor is the head of the holy catholic church. 8. Priests who live in vice in any way pollute the power of the priesthood, and like unfaithful sons are untrustworthy in their thinking about the church’s seven sacraments, about the keys, offices, censures, customs, ceremonies and sacred things of the church, about the veneration of relics, and about indulgences and orders. 9. The papal dignity originated with the emperor, and the primacy and institution of the pope emanated from imperial power. 10. Nobody would reasonably assert of himself or of another, without revelation, that he was the head of a particular holy church; nor is the Roman pontiff the head of the Roman church. 11. It is not necessary to believe that any particular Roman pontiff is the head of any particular holy church, unless God has predestined him to salvation. 12. Nobody holds the place of Christ or of Peter unless he follows his way of life, since there is no other discipleship that is more appropriate nor is there another way to receive delegated power from God, since there is required for this office of vicar a similar way of life as well as the authority of the one instituting. 13. The pope is not the manifest and true successor of the prince of the apostles, Peter, if he lives in a way contrary to Peter’s. If he seeks avarice, he is the vicar of Judas Iscariot. Likewise, cardinals are not the manifest and true successors of the college of Christ’s other apostles unless they live after the manner of the apostles, keeping the commandments and counsels of our lord Jesus Christ. 14. Doctors who state that anybody subjected to ecclesiastical censure, if he refuses to be corrected, should be handed over to the judgment of the secular authority, are undoubtedly following in this the chief priests, the scribes and the pharisees who handed over to the secular authority Christ himself, since he was unwilling to obey them in all things, saying, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death; these gave him to the civil judge, so that such men are even greater murderers than Pilate. 15. Ecclesiastical obedience was invented by the church’s priests, without the express authority of scripture. 16. The immediate division of human actions is between those that are virtuous and those that are wicked. Therefore, if a man is wicked and does something, he acts wickedly; if he is virtuous and does something, he acts virtuously. For just as wickedness, which is called crime or mortal sin, infects all the acts of a wicked man, so virtue gives life to all the acts of a virtuous man. 17. A priest of Christ who lives according to his law, knows scripture and has a desire to edify the people, ought to preach, notwithstanding a pretended excommunication. And further on: if the pope or any superior orders a priest so disposed not to preach, the subordinate ought not to obey. 18. Whoever enters the priesthood receives a binding duty to preach; and this mandate ought to be carried out, notwithstanding a pretended excommunication. 19. By the church’s censures of excommunication, suspension and interdict the clergy subdue the laity, for the sake of their own exaltation, multiply avarice protect wickedness and prepare the way for antichrist. The clear sign of this is the fact that these censures come from antichrist. In the legal proceedings of the clergy they are called fulminations, which are the principal means whereby the clergy proceed against those who uncover antichrist’s wickedness, which the clergy has for the most part usurped for itself. 20. If the pope is wicked, and especially if he is foreknown to damnation, then he is a devil like Judas the apostle, a thief and a son of perdition and is not the head of the holy church militant since he is not even a member of it. 21. The grace of predestination is the bond whereby the body of the church and each of its members is indissolubly joined with the head. 22. The pope or a prelate who is wicked and foreknown to damnation is a pastor only in an equivocal sense, and truly is a thief and a robber. 23. The pope ought not to be called “most holy” even by reason of his office, for otherwise even a king ought to be called “most holy” by reason of his office and executioners and heralds ought to be called “holy”, indeed even the devil would be called “holy” since he is an official of God. 24. If a pope lives contrary to Christ, even if he has risen through a right and legitimate election according to the established human constitution, he would have risen by a way other than through Christ, even granted that he entered upon office by an election that had been made principally by God. For, Judas Iscariot was rightly and legitimately elected to be an apostle by Jesus Christ who is God, yet he climbed into the sheepfold by another way. 25. The condemnation of the forty-five articles of John Wyclif, decreed by the doctors, is irrational and unjust and badly done and the reason alleged by them is feigned, namely that none of them is catholic but each one is either heretical or erroneous or scandalous. 26. The viva voce agreement upon some person, made according to human custom by the electors or by the greater part of them, does not mean by itself that the person has been legitimately elected or that by this very fact he is the true and manifest successor or vicar of the apostle Peter or of another apostle in an ecclesiastical office. For, it is to the works of the one elected that we should look irrespective of whether the manner of the election was good or bad. For, the more plentifully a person acts meritoriously towards building up the church, the more copiously does he thereby have power from God for this. 27. There is not the least proof that there must be one head ruling the church in spiritual matters who always lives with the church militant. 28. Christ would govern his church better by his true disciples scattered throughout the world, without these monstrous heads. 29. The apostles and faithful priests of the Lord strenuously governed the church in matters necessary for salvation before the office of pope was introduced, and they would continue to do this until the day of judgment if-which is very possible-there is no pope. 30. Nobody is a civil lord, a prelate or a bishop while he is in mortal sin.

I just cannot understand how anyone could consider violent oppression as an option for evangelism. The idea that anyone who genuinely read Romans 8 could imagine it supports that sickens me. It was their old man's pride.

@arminius504

2 жыл бұрын

It’s truly satanic

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughter'd saints, whose bones Lie scatter'd on the Alpine mountains cold, Ev'n them who kept thy truth so pure of old, When all our fathers worshipp'd stocks and stones; Forget not: in thy book record their groans Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold Slain by the bloody Piemontese that roll'd Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans The vales redoubl'd to the hills, and they To Heav'n. Their martyr'd blood and ashes sow O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway The triple tyrant; that from these may grow A hundred-fold, who having learnt thy way Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

@Mygoalwogel

Жыл бұрын

What's the source of that?

@adrianthomas1473

Жыл бұрын

@@Mygoalwogel "On the Late Massacre in Piedmont" is a sonnet by John Milton responding to the Easter massacre of Waldensians in Piedmont by the troops of Charles Emmanuel II, Duke of Savoy in April 1655. Milton’s “Sonnet 18,” “On the Late Massacre at Piedmont” was described by the essayist William Hazlitt as filled with “prophetic fury.”

@Mygoalwogel

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianthomas1473 Nice! Thanks!

So where was the Pope in all of this?

@KyleEricksonPoetry1617

Жыл бұрын

Pope Gregory XII resigned two days before Hus was burnt at the stake and there was no legitimate Pope until 1417. But there were several Anti-Popes. It was actually Antipope John XXIII that called the Council of Constance. It was part of the Western Schism.

What Gavin very rightly denounces here is freedom of conscience. Over the centuries, the church had a very bad reputation in this regard. It persecuted numerous groups with so-called heretical beliefs. Especially Jews, Waldensians and Protestants. If the church could not convince with words, she took the sword ... Charlemagne forced thousands of Saxons to be baptized. They had a choice: either baptism or beheading. Ferdinand and Isabelle of Aragon, los reyes catholicos, took the same approach. It was this intolerant policy against which the German states "protested" at Speyer (1529). It turned out that the freedom of conscience was not always safe among Protestants unfortunately. Jean Calvin allowed Michael Servetus to be burned at the stake. Martin Luther wrote his gruesome epistle, Über die Jüden und ihre Lügen, urging that all synagogues be burned ... For me, the great examples who have defended freedom of conscience are neither Luther nor Calvin, but in addition to the German princes: Sebastian Castellio, Dirck Coornhert and William the Silent (Willem van Oranje).

@jamessheffield4173

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Roger Williams who founded Rhode Island with religious freedom for all.

@peterk.6930

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamessheffield4173 Thank you, I didn't know him. But I am aware that the Babtist and Mennonite tradition is generally more tolerant than the Calvinist tradition. Still, I understand from the Wikipedia article that he too got into trouble within his own circle because of his tolerant attitude.

@jamessheffield4173

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterk.6930 Welcome. A good book to read is Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul: Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty by John M. Barry For four hundred years, Americans have wrestled with and fought over two concepts that define the nature of the nation: the proper relation between church and state and between a free individual and the state. These debates began with the extraordinary thought and struggles of Roger Williams, who had an unparalleled understanding of the conflict between a government that justified itself by "reason of state"-i.e. national security-and its perceived "will of God" and the "ancient rights and liberties" of individuals. This is a story of power, set against Puritan America and the English Civil War. Williams's interactions with King James, Francis Bacon, Oliver Cromwell, and his mentor Edward Coke set his course, but his fundamental ideas came to fruition in America, as Williams, though a Puritan, collided with John Winthrop's vision of his "City upon a Hill." Acclaimed historian John M. Barry explores the development of these fundamental ideas through the story of the man who was the first to link religious freedom to individual liberty, and who created in America the first government and society on earth informed by those beliefs. The story is essential to the continuing debate over how we define the role of religion and political power in modern American life.

@peterk.6930

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessheffield4173 thanks James really appreciate your response

@jamessheffield4173

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterk.6930 Welcome. Blessings.

DID JESUS ASKED THE FATHER: DO NOT LEAD US INTO TEMPTATION? We read in Jeremiah 8:8; "How can we say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie." The most popular verses of scripture in the New Testament without doubt belong to the Lord’s Prayer; and most of us have memorised those verses from childhood. But young and old alike have been unaware of the lie that it contains, for in Matthew 6:13 part of it reads: “And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” This verse implies that God leads us into temptation, and that there’s the need to ask Him not to do that, but to deliver us from evil. But why should we ask Him that, when we all know or should know that the evil of temptation is not in God’s character? For we read in Romans 2:4: “Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance.” And we read in James 1:13: “Let no one say when he is tempted, I am being tempted by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.” And 2Peter 2:9 has no ambiguity of the true work of the Lord, for we read: “The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under darkness for the Day of Judgement.” So I am only putting the record straight, in harmony with God’s true character, in accordance with His true Scripture by partly restoring Matthew 6:13 to read: “And lead us into repentance, and deliver us from evil.” The above verse now reflects the true work and character of our God. After all, we are talking about our Heavenly Father, therefore, we should know what He does and doesn’t do. I am sure that an evil man, an enemy of Christ, has cleverly inserted those lies in there so they would falsely assume the power of the Sacred Word and prevent us from truly knowing and trusting our God and Father. GLORY TO GOD

It’s pronounced “hoos” in Czech

Gavin, I really appreciate your tone in these videos as a newbie, however, as a former Roman Catholic who came from generations of Roman Catholics, I’m deeply concerned how you refer to Roman Catholics as our brothers n sisters in the body of Christ. Myself along with my parents n siblings whom have all left Roman Catholicism over 40 yrs ago would warn you that most of those in Roman Catholicism who truly believe what Rome teaches are NOT believers in Christ. I’m troubled by all the evangelicals I see who don’t understand that Roman Catholicism is a HUGE mission field who need to hear the message of the gospel vs Roman Catholics being our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Long story short (As short as I can be), and I appologize, English is not my nativ language: Hus´s life before the trial in Constance Theology in the early years of the fifteenth century was not yet at the forefront of Hus's interest. This was at that time the criticism of the immoral behavior of the part of the clergy, which must be approved as justified. The papal schism caused that different rulers joined the Roman or Avignon pope from mere political calculation and used it to influence church life and promote their supporters, often of dubious moral qualities, to leadership, what caused great scandal. The emerging Renaissance mentality, rejecting asceticism and promoting earthly delight, also found its acceptance in the clergy, many of whom lived in luxury and fornication, although we must not accept the later propaganda, which described most of the priesthood as morally corrupt. It is necessary to realize that there was a huge number of members of the clergy that time; There were about three hundred priests serving just in the cathedral of St. Vitus in Prague, and therefore also the number of the immoral ones were relatively large, even though they were a minority. So we cannot deny that Hus had an honest effort to rectify the Church. But he was not alone. It is sufficient to mention the well-known reform preachers Konrad Waldhauser and Jan Milic from Kroměřiž, still from the time of Charles IV, later Dominican Henry of Bitterfeld, etc., who never came into conflict with Catholic orthodoxy. The Archbishops of Prague also supported the reform, whether it was Arnošt of Pardubice, Cardinal Jan Oček of Vlašim or Jan from Jenštejn. Archbishop Zbyněk Zajíc of Hasenburk, was eager to correct the morals in the clergy. In the begining he was the main protector of Jan Hus. After 1405, however, the Archbishop began to change his friendly relationship with Hus because of the sharp condemnation of Wycliffe´s heresies in Bohemia by the Roman Pope (Czechs adhered to the Roman, not the Avignon) Innocence VII. The main protagonists of these heresies Stanislav from Znojmo and Štěpán from Palč were called to Rome. Eventhough they recalled Wycliffe´s heresies, these heresies began to spread in Bohemia. Some of these heretics regarded the Pope as Antichrist. Archbishop Zbyněk initiated a trial against the herald of Valdice Nicholas of Velenovice called "Abraham", but Hus was against it. He definitely lost Zbyněk's favor and the relationship of both became extremely tense since 1408. Hus openly stood at the head of the Wycliffest camp. He successfully seeks the support of King Wenceslaus IV, who was an alcoholic and an adulterer. Wenceslaus IV was hostile to the Church, wanting to be in full control of him as his obedient instrument, and wherever he could, he put his lovers in the head offices. This became in 1393 fatal for Archbishop John of Jenštejn and st. John Nepomucene: the first ended in exile, the second ended dead in the Vltava river. The fact that Hus attacked sharply the immoral life of clergy, but remained silent to the enormous scandals and immoralities of King Wenceslas can only be called hypocrisy and deliberate action. With the help of King Wenceslas, Hus gains almost unlimited power in Prague, coming from his position at the university. Medieval universities were not only institutions for the formation of future intelligence, but also bodies with considerable ideological and thus political influence. Hus as the rector became an unlimited master and the main protagonist of the regime of the immoral and criminal king Wenceslas IV. This is where the shadowy and infamous side of Hus's activity has begun. At the pulpit, he no longer chastises the immoralities, but demagogically breaks up the people and especially the students against the whole clergy and Archbishop Zbyněk, who had burnt Wycliffe´s writings. Hus, in fact, acted as the supreme ecclesiastical representative of the Czech Land. He publicly proclaimed Wicliffe´s heresies from the pulpit and from the university department. In particular, he indiscriminately attacked indulgences, not merely the inconvenience of selling indulgence prayers, but indulgences as such, for the Church was not given any right to receive the forgiveness of the early punishments for sins. We have to emphasize that the purchasing of indulgances was approved by the antipope John XXIII, who wanted to use the money to be able to attack the real pope Gregory XII who was under the protection of the king of Neapol, but later he had to flew in exile. The paradox is that Jan Hus was on the side of John XXIII because of king Wenceslas IV, who preferred him as pope. On the other side pope Gregory XII was righteous and poor. This is another example of Jan Hus´s hypocrisy. Whenever Archbishop Zbyněk cursed Hus, the king always declared it invalid, the ruler even very energetically defended Hus against the decision of the Papal Curia in Bologna, which condemned Hus's teachings. Hus was invited to go personally to Bologna, but he refused because he had the support of the king. In 1411 the king confiscated all the archbishop's estates, which Hus enthusiastically approved. He himself has already called for this in his sermons (psi se o kost hryžú, vezmi ji a přestanú ... - "the dogs bite each other for the bone, take it and they will stop ..."). Zbyněk declared an interdictum over Prague while Hus was in Prague, but the king ordered that it should not be taken in consideration. Archbishop Zbyněk was exhausted and died. The years 1411-12 represent an escalation of Hus's camp violence. In his sermons and university lectures, Hus describes the part of the clergy that stood on the Archbishop's side as morally corrupt without exception. This led to the fact that the rabble and ragtag attacked clergymen and religious people. Former Hus's friend and now the opponent of Stěpan (Stephen) of Paleč writes that “many holy priests were persecuted… some killed, others robbed, others expelled from their own churches…” In Klatovy and Žatec some of the priests were burned or drowned. We do not know anything about the number of killed clergymen, nor do we know their names except for a Dominican priest Jan called Malík from Klatovy. These atrocities were a direct consequence of Hus's hateful sermons, and he himself never stood up for the victims of these spiritual sacrifices. Antipope John XXIII, under whose obedience the Czechs were reporting at that time, declared an interdict over Prague after the reports of this persecution of the clergy in 1412. Immediate impulse for this was given by the writings of Hus's follower Jakoubek from Stříbro, in which he declared the Pope and all the clergy supporting him as Antichrist. At that time, Hus became uncomfortable even for King Wenceslaus. He “scandalized” his reputation by praising Martin, Jan and Stašek as the saints of three young rioters, who caused reluctance against the sale of indulgences and which the king had arrested. The councilors then sentenced them to death and secretly beheaded. King Wenceslaus IV, who at that time had a maximum interest in peace within the country, especially in Prague, no longer trusted Hus and feared him as too radical. Therefore, he forced him to leave Prague and to resort at the countryside.

@davidszaraz4605

3 жыл бұрын

Hus's behavior at the Constance Council It is important to say that the council was called by antipope John XIII. Pope Gregory XII was not present because of he was in exile and resigned. One day a man called Malatesta appeared on the council with a letter as proof that Gregory XII resigned and that he gave king Sigismund power to represent him. Wenceslas' brother, Hungarian king and later Roman emperor Sigismund was counting with the Czech crown, and therefore he cared about adjusting the disruptive situation in Bohemia. For this reason, he decided to invite Hus to the Council of Constance, which had to solve the desperate question of the "three popes" at the head of the Church and the issue of Wycliffe´s heresies. Hus initially refused the invitation and accepted it only after the urging of Wenceslaus IV. The rumor that Sigismund promised Hus a safe to return is refuted, and even opponents of the Church no longer reach for it. It was just a protection on the way back and forth, no more. Hus's behavior in Constance was not as it is described by his supporters today. He did not stand "fearlessly for his truth" right from the beginning. When the competent council commission submitted to him Wycliffe´s forty-five articles to express himself, as accusations of proclaiming them, at thirty-two articles he said 'Nec tenui nec teneo' (I did not and I do not) and at the remaining it is not clear if he agreed or not. The commission surprised by Hus's attitude, the members of the committee asked him why he then wrote humiliating remarks on the bull of Pope John XXIII. condemning Wycliffe´s heresies. Hus disavowed it disgustingly, claiming that this was not written by him but by Master Jesenice. Hus thus clearly renounced and misguided his earlier statements in his favor on others. This greatly angered his friends present in Constance, especially Jan from Chlum and Petr from Mladenovice. Chlum asked him not to "move away from the truth to preserve this miserable life." Three of Hus's public hearings before the Council in June 1415, the most detailed reports of which were given to us by Peter of Mladenovice, only show how Hus was constantly obscuring and wanting impossible after the Council: to discuss with him on the subject of his teachings, and to prove to him from the Scripture, that he was wrong. But theological debate was not within the jurisdiction of this council; Hus was merely asked whether he had taught the sentences in question contrary to the revealed truth, and if he taught, he would renounce heresies. During this whole time, Hus did not clearly state whether he professed his doctrine. At first, following the questions of Cardinals d'Ailly, Zabarella, and others, he denied that he had been reporting the incriminated Wycliffe´s delusions, but at the behest of the Cardinal the Dominican Michael de Causis read the sentences from his book ,,De ecclesia,, that convicted him of lies, Hus then turned and wanted them to "convince him of the Book that he was wrong" to "convince him of Scripture that he was wrong." He used the usual tactics of all heretics in history when they had to answer before the Church authority: First he denied teaching delusions, but when he was convicted, he wanted to discuss as if some discussion was possible in matters of faith and morals. So, what else should the fathers of Constance do before condemning him as a heretic even though they resisted it because they knew what the consequences would be for Hus and did not wish him to do so? Protestant František Palacký writes about the behavior of the prelates in Constance towards Hus: “… At last it seemed as if they, and not Hus, were asking for supplications… If the council was not to convince him, he finally had to proceed to his condemnation, as demanded by the legal churches…,,. So, the truth is that the council father wanted to set him free, but they weren´t able to convince Hus to turn away from Wycliffe´s heresies. Hus at the Council was proven thirty vicious sentences from his writings, initially thirty-nine. They asked him to recall them, constantly changing the wording to make them sound as acceptable and least humiliating as possible (eight prelates came to him to prison, and his former friend Stěpan of Pálč visited him there). When Hus refused everyone, it was obvious that he wanted death - and there was nothing the Council could do about it. On July 6, 1415, his execution took place. Hus´s friend Jeroným Pražský (Jerome of Prague), who ended up with the same death in Constance a year later, writes on 12. 9. 1415 in a letter to Lacko of Kravař, that he had fully found all these sentences in Hus's works precisely in the sense that they understood the prelates of the assembly. Hus specifically taught exactly according to Wycliffe: Predestination, Sola scriptura, denying ultramontanism (the papacy), clergy with grave sin cannot grant sacraments, ignoring the teaching of the church, denying the real presence of Christ - whatever Hus meant by “transubstantiation” , that wasn´t the same as the teaching of the Catholic church. So saying “it was pretty much the same” is unaccaptable. Hus here fully accepts Wycliffe's delusions, even though he does not take over his whole doctrine. Wycliffe denies all sacraments, except baptism. Hus all freely confesses only doubts transubstantiation. Wycliffe rejects the Marian cult and the worship of the saints. Hus, on the other hand, holds them and some of his sermons preserved, in which he prays the Virgin Mary. Hus was worshiped as a martyr and saint by the Hussites, although they totally departed from his own doctrine, they rejected the sacraments, the reverence of the Virgin and Saints, and other Catholic truths. Most of the passion and rage against the Catholic Church is caused by Hus's execution. It is true that natural human emotion resists punishing a person for death only for the opinions he proclaims and which he does not intend to give up, even if they are misguided. However, if the dissemination of these doctrines results in social and moral disruption, leading to the murder of the innocent, this may also be justified in certain circumstances. Does Hus's case fit in? The fact is that he was burned only for his delusions, which he spread and eventually refused to appeal. This cannot be approved. But Páleč and others at the Council also blamed him for the murder of priests and monks in the years he was at the height of glory and power. Perhaps he would have deserved the death penalty, but Hus could not be proven that he was inciting directly and immediately to the murders. His responsibility here is more moral than factual. The Church has not invented the death penalty for heretics but has opposed it in antiquity. Its enactment (for the first time in 1223 by Emperor Frederick II) was forced in the Middle Ages mainly by the people, constantly threatened by life attacks of heretical sects, which with few exceptions were not harmless foolish organizations but bands of murdering terrorists. Medieval society only defended itself against heretical terrorist hordes, albeit disproportionately in some cases, because heretics were punished not only for specific criminal crimes, but for mere opinion if they did not want to give up. The belief that the stubborn heretic was to be punished was so general that in the Middle Ages we could not find any voice to oppose it (except for heretics themselves who, when ended in court and threatened to die, called for the abolition of this punishment if however, they had power, they applied it abundantly). At the time when Hus enjoyed the favor of Wenceslas, Hus himself thought the same.

@davidszaraz4605

3 жыл бұрын

Protestant Palacký shows that Hus thought and approved death penalty for heretics: „Jednau sročen byw s osmi protiwníky swými na Žebrák před raddu králowu, když ho winili, že nepodal článkůw swých písemně děkanowi theologickému, jakkoli o to často napomínán jsa, odpowěděl, že neučiw nikdy podtají, ale wždy weřejně, nemůže stíhán býti, jakoby učení swé ukrýwati chtěl, že hotov wšak hotov jest podati články swé i písemně, budauli protiwníci jeho, ježto jej z kacířstwí wíní, chtíti se zawázati k dostatečnému průvodu žaloby swé, a to pod pokutau (poena talionis), totiž pod upálením, jakowéž na kacíře slušeí. Zaražení nad náwrhem takowým doktorowé odpowěděli po krátké poradě, že chtějí wydati k tomu jednoho ze sebe, když ale HUS na tom stál, že nepřátelé jeho užíwajíce ruky společné w obwiňowání, mají také w pokutě newytrhowati se zní, králowa radda učinila hádce té konec napomínaním jalowým, aby hleděli srownati se mezi sebau w pokoji.” (Fratnišek Palacký, Dějiny národu českého w Čechách a w Morawě: dle pu̇wodních pramenů, Díl III, 1850. , page 127, accesible on the internet archive) Schaff only says this: “In an audience before the king at Zebrak, Huss, in vindication of his views, offered to undergo a test on condition that each of the other eight doctors did the same, each of them as well as himself submitting to the ordeal of burning as heretics in case of failure to make good his position. All of the eight were present at the audience and refused to yield to Huss´s suggestion. The situation was aggravated rather than appeased by the audience.” (John Huss, year 1915, page 127, accessible on the internet archive) Schaff fails to present the fact, that the opponents offered one of them to accept his challenge - one on one. Rather it was Hus who asserted that all the eight doctors have to submit themselves to the ordeal of burning, not only one of them. This was Hus´s condition, otherwise he refused to deliver the articles to the Dean (who repeatedly asked Hus to declare his writings, which Hus didn´t do, yet still taught Wicliff´s teachings on the university). I just wonder why Schaff didn´t write it down, as in his preface he claims he used Palacký´s works in German (Geschichte von Böhmen, year 1864), also he writes in his preface where he presents the Modern Works he used: F. Palacky …. Best authority on Bohemian history. I checked the german translation on the internet archive, and it doesn´t miss that passage from Palacký. (Geschichte von Böhmen, Dritten Bandes - Third volume, year 1845, page 283, accessible on the internet archive). And indeed Palacký, who was an evangelical protestant, is still considered a reliable historian, he is called „the father of the nation“ in Czech Republic. Whatever, the point is, Hus had no problem with the burning of his eight opponents, in case they fail to justify their claims, moreover he refused that only one would be burned, he wanted all eight of them, in case they lose the challenge. Palacký writes: “totiž pod upálením, jakowéž na kacíře sluší” which in translation means: “by burning, as it is appropriate for a heretic” From Constance, however, Hus writes to his friends’ letters in which he protests passionately against the death penalty for heretics, this is another proof of hypocrisy. We do not approve of Hus's execution. But it would be wrong to say "we condemn" because it was a legitimate act of self-defense of the society against terror and disruption by heretical sects. But the death penalty was disproportionate for conviction, albeit delusional. However, the context of the era and the experience of the simple population with heretics were such that it seemed almost impossible to want the opposite. But Hus himself carries the moral complicity to burn tens of clergy with his followers, without knowing to say a word against it. The Hussites, who later backed up on his behalf, were responsible for tens of thousands of Catholic victims, the only guilt being that they refused to give up their faith. Just a snippet from the Hussite wars: Chasing into the sacristy of a church and burning, including women, children, and old men, drowning in the river, dropping on spear from windows and other atrocities - these are the noble deeds of "God's Warriors" and Hus's followers. For comparison: From the thirteenth to eighteenth centuries, that is to say, within about five hundred years, several thousand heretics were condemned in the Catholic world according to the latest historical research. However, the number of Catholic victims in only about fifteen years of the Hussite rampage is about ten times higher. Now the church from another perspective: In the twelfth century, for example, popes radically defended Jews in the ghettos (most sharply in 1199 Innocent III. Bull Licet perfidia), who fell victim to criminal elements seeking to seize their property. And what about the killed people on the catholic side by protestants (besides those committed by the Husits), like Jan Sarkander or the three martyrs from Košice (in German Kaschau, Hungarian: Kassa), namely Pongrácz István, Grodecz Menyhért and Kőrösi Márk … just to name a few from the middle Europe. There is much much more that could be said here. The main books in czech I used are: Fratnišek Palacký, Dějiny národu českého w Čechách a w Morawě: dle pu̇wodních pramenů, Díl III, 1850. Jan Sedlák (catholic priest): M. Jan Hus, published 1915, this comprehensive book still wasn´t overcome. It´s a masterpiece because it is so well written in details. It was even awarded by the evangelic academy. Cardinal Jaroslav V. Polc: Jan Hus v představách šesti staletí a ve skutečnosti. Published 2015. A more concise but excellent work as well. František Michálek Bartoš, České dějiny II/6: Čechy v době Husově. Praha 1947. Petr Čornej, Velké dějiny zemí Koruny České V., 1402-37. Praha 2000. Jiří Kejř, Husův proces. Praha 2000. Vlastimil Kybal - Václav Novotný, Jan Hus. Praha 1931.

@zekdom

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidszaraz4605 Thank you for posting all of this. And don’t worry, your English is probably better than mine!

@davidszaraz4605

3 жыл бұрын

@@zekdom You are welcome and thank you, God bless you!

@zekdom

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidszaraz4605 Dominus Vobiscum

Jan Hus was burned alive at the stake as a foreshadowing of Joan of Arc's execution nearly 16 years later. Hus was an excommunicated Catholic priest who fought for the right of Catholics to drink the blood of Christ because only Catholic priests were allowed to drink the wine of the holy Eucharist. Joan was an excommunicated Roman Catholic, and heavenly High Priestess in the Order of Melchizedek, sent down from heaven, born of a woman. Joan became the Body and Blood and Commandments and Sacraments of Jesus Christ chained to that stake in the Rouen, France marketplace. This OLD SYSTEM was burned to ashes, except for Joan's sacred heart which would not burn, but remained whole and full of blood. Her heart and blood should have been placed within a pyx, but instead the bishop who condemned her had her heart/blood put in the sack with her ashes and it was cast into the River Seine. Joan ended the Church Age. 1400 years from Moses to Jesus. 1400 years from Jesus to Joan of Arc. Joan was the LORD's goat of Yom Kippur, an atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world, once for all time. The passing of the Salvation Buck STOPS with Joan of Arc. Joan of Arc has fulfilled ALL THINGS in Jesus Christ.

WHO DID ALL OF GOD'S WILL? King David or King Jesus? We read in Jeremiah 8:8; "How can we say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie." In the book of Acts 13:22 we read: “And after He had removed him, He raised up David to be their king, concerning whom He also testified and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who will do all My will.’” If we read the above verse as it is, we can all be forgiven for thinking that this verse is referring to David as the “man after God’s heart,” but that is a gross misidentification because it was not King David who did all of God’s will. We all are aware of the sins of David; they are well documented, and when one commits a sin he is not doing God’s will. On the other hand, Jesus did do all of God’s will because we all know that He never committed sin, which is also well documented. Hebrews 10:7-10 is very clear about the importance of Jesus doing God’s will, for without His accomplished will, there is no salvation. In John 8:29 Jesus said, “And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him.” Therefore, I believe that Acts 13:22-23 is speaking about a man found in the loins of David, whose delight is to do God’s will, and verse 23 conclusively confirms that the man after God’s heart is Jesus, by saying: “From the offspring of this man, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a Saviour Jesus.” I believe Acts 13:22 should therefore read: “I have found IN THE LOINS OF David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, Who will do all My will.” It is confirmed in Psalm 40:8, for we read: “I delight to do Thy will, O My God; Thy law is within My heart.” So you see, we can be doubly sure that the man after God’s heart was going to do all of God’s will, and not only some of it, as David did. You may ask if it is my intention to belittle King David? No, on the contrary, but I am trying to do as my spirit suggests and that is to redirect that glory toward whom that glory is due, for Jesus said in John 16:14, "He (The Holy Spirit) shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you." GLORY TO GOD

What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZread videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

I agree. The murder of Jan Hus affected me deeply as well. It still does. I cannot forget what the forces that should not be did to him and how they did it. Jan Hus preached the Gospel to peasants in their own Czech language (not in Latin). That was his main crime. For that Jan Hus was burned alive to death at the stake. In the interim, a young friend of Hus, Jan Jesenice, a lawyer, was busy trying to save the Priest´s life. Originally, Hus was called to Rome but Jesenice, in order to protect Hus, went in his master´s stead. Jesenice was put in prison there but escaped. While still in Italy, Jesenice earned a doctorate in law. The truth is that Hus was burned at the stake as a living sacrifice to Baal, whom the catholic church worship in the form of "Mary". The truth is that King Sigismund deceived Hus (and Jesenice) into believing that Hus would receive safe escort both to and from Konstanz, where he would be allowed give testimony to his side of the accusations posed by the "catholic church". In fact and in reality the "catholic church" had already condemned Hus to death at the stake. And invited the whole of the Roman Empire to witness the grave event. (On 6.7.1415 = 13/11) What the forces that should not be premeditatedly did to Hus will be judged at the Great White Throne for all the world to witness. (Not to mention untold others who died by murder at their hand - for example: Mozart). The demise of the brilliant Jesenice at ca. 35 years of age at the hands of the edomite "Rosenberg" in his "hunger tower", ostensibly under torture, will be brought to light as well. It is a crime that Hus and Jesenice were both murdered in cold blood, in order to cover up the truth. But that Jesenice´s end of life story remains unknown, cannot be forgiven. It is impossible to find any more information on him than what I have already recounted. But again, the Great White Throne Judgement will reveal all, in due time. The above details were gleaned from "Die Cause Johannes Hus und das Prozessrecht der Kirche" by Jiri Kejr. PS: I´ve had correspondence with Fudge, who is non-sympathetic toward Jan Hus. He is using the story to make money, which is sadistic, parasitic and disgraceful.

How about a follow-up on Nicholas Pieck and his brothers?

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

In the video I observe that all Christian traditions have sinned against others, and thus we should approach these conversations in a spirit of grief, not triumphalism. However, whataboutism gets tired really fast. Setting one instance of persecution against another ultimately dishonors both; it is better to simply acknowledge each one as wrong in its turn. Further, whataboutism gives the impression that the persecutions are proportionate. They are not. My own tradition (Baptist) has been persecuted by both Catholics and other Protestants to an almost unbelievable extent.

@actsapologist1991

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites: Thinking about how to phrase this; When I was a young man, my Evangelical peers told me that the Catholic Church was the persecutor of the real Christians. When I was in high school I read the book Jesus Freaks which supported the same contention. Even my secular history classes at public school affirmed this. And for a long time I accepted the institutional shame that the Catholic Church was unique among the others in their persecution of those who didn't agree with them. It wasn't till I was an adult that I found out this wasn't the case. What some may call "Whataboutism" is - in my mind - about finding a proper historical balance. The memory of Nick Pieck doesn't cancel out the remembrance of Jan Huss, nor excuse what was done to him. What it does do is see that history isn't one-sided.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@actsapologist1991 you are right the Catholic church is not unique in persecuting others; but the reason for the common perception is it has done it so much. A "proper historical balance" should acknowledge the relative amounts on all sides. The history is not one-sided, but it is lopsided. The burden behind my video is for historical accuracy and study. If and when you watch it, let me know how it comes across to you. I sincerely attempted to speak to this delicate topic in a way that doesn't come across as a jab, but rather a simple plea for historical awareness.

@davidszaraz4605

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites i am looking forward to this as I am from the Czech Republic and researched this topic. I am curious whether the whole truth will be mentioned, including the fact that Jan Hus himself validated the burning of heretics, and other stuff. The case of Michael Servetus is also interresting by the way.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidszaraz4605 "Jan Hus himself validated the burning of heretics." That is not correct. In fact, this was one of the articles raised against him in his trial. Regarding Servetus, see my comments above to ActsApologist.

this is not to gain points either or rub salt in a wound “but” this continues even today in other countries with Catholics killing evangelicals.. maybe not burning but other ways of killing. Just food for thought

Huss’s belief that the state of the soul of the priest administering the sacrament effected its validity had been long worked out by the church as incorrect and it should be seen as silly and unworkable as every sacrament would be open to debate for its validity.

@Bbos2383

Жыл бұрын

So what's your point? He should be therefore burned as a heretic? Im guessing you are catholic?

I hope am not spoiling your good intentions, but if the roles were reversed and it was a Catholic in that fire, we will never stop hearing about it, and may be a place of pilgrim will be in place with thousands of visitors!

The means and manner of Huss' Execution is grotesque to us today, but sadly was commonly used by the Civil authorities in and after the Middle Ages, as Dr. O does not miss Protestants used the same tactics. But what was missed in the interest of context, is that there were different groups of Hussites who in following Jan Huss went far beyond the whitewashed history in which we paint these "reformers" as great biblical scholars, who raised their voices against Catholic errors. Let's not forget that his followers, led by other priests who like himself had left the priesthood and gathered the peasants to reject the Church had been involved in expelling priests from churches, and gathered what were described violent mobs in doing so. Corruption and sin are the constant battle, be they public or occult. I find it almost as criminal to mention the state of the Catholic Clergy which Huss rightly addressed in his grievances, while ignoring the reformers within the Catholic Church who were working, sometimes with little support at first. Two hundred years earlier Francis of Assisi as part of his work encouraged the reformation of the clergy, and he was not the only voice in that crusade against immorality. If we look at our modern times, we see the Sexual Abuse Scandals by Catholic Clergy taking the forefront of news, comedic attacks, and engrained into the current culture. The reality is it's a horrible legacy. But one shared by most any group you can think of. Two Chassidic Rabbis on a flight from Australia to the US, a Juvenile Court Judge in Southern California, the recent Southern Baptist convention uproar in which there were many who wanted to continue to hide the reports and evidence of the crimes. School teachers. There is also a difficulty when it comes to Hagiographies written by both sides. When someone of the stature of Huss, or choose any Catholic who battled Protestantism are written, we see the supporters almost always giving us a picture of someone who is without blame, pure in spirit and deed, humble and having a full and total devotion to God. They counter with the attacks both honest, excessive and fictional in which we see the end result among some that would make Q-Anon conspiracists blush. An example would be some of the paranoid teachings my SDA neighbors have that Jesuits spy on SDA congregants and have a plan to one day martyr their membership by slitting their throats with specially designed knives. There are also the claims that the Jesuits duped Mohommed into founding Islam by having a nun seduce him and giving him the Koran, which the Jesuits really wrote or influenced. (How this happened almost 700 years before the lifetime of Loyola and founding of the Jesuits is still a bit fuzzy) So I think a total acceptance of all what are presented as firsthand accounts and hagiographies is a bit naive if not outright dangerous.

@Phill0old

Жыл бұрын

So we should rubbish good men because there were other good men or because it makes a murderous regime look murderous? I think not. True many tried to reform the Roman church from within, and a good few were horribly treated. Let's just get it all out there.

@thuscomeguerriero

Жыл бұрын

I would like to introduce you to a clever little device called..the paragraph. You read like a run on sentence 🤣

Now do one on Saint Thomas More….I hear the crickets already.

@HearGodsWord

Жыл бұрын

Why would he want to do a video on More though?

@judgedredd31

8 ай бұрын

**cricket chirp** Wasn't More a papist who butted heads with a King on secondary issues? Obviously his death is a tragedy and Christians and papists alike would agree he died for his convictions. But while a Christian can acknowledge More was martyred for his beliefs, one could still claim More opposed biblical doctrine; the latter fact does not justify execution, of course. **cricket chirp**

@specialteams28

8 ай бұрын

@@judgedredd31 which biblical doctrines did More “oppose”? And did Henry 8th oppose any biblical doctrines….and who has the authority to say what biblical doctrine is?

Jan Hus was a follower of John Wycliffe, who advocated State control of the Church and the dissolution of the monasteries. Hus was treated disproportionately harshly, but his preaching was an existential threat to those monasteries. Where does Dr Ortlund stand on this? Can modern monasteries established in England be closed down yet again? I suspect Dr Ortlund won’t be giving a straight answer to a straight question. Are you going to correct me on that?

@mmore242

Жыл бұрын

If you don’t mind me asking where can I get more information on Jan Hus concerning the monasteries?

@judgedredd31

8 ай бұрын

Just to be clear, you're claiming John Wycliffe may have held a certain position and so someone else (Hus) who was associated with Wycliffe would therefore be "an existential threat to those monasteries." Is that what you are claiming?

@david_porthouse

8 ай бұрын

@@judgedredd31 Those were different times. Read about Richard Whiting, the last Abbot of Glastonbury, to get an idea of what the dissolution of the monasteries could be like in practice.

Sadly, Protestants put to death Catholic Christians as well! Catholic priests and lay people were hunted and killed by Protestants! The Holy Scriptures and Church teaching keeps me Catholic! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@Wgaither1

3 жыл бұрын

I gotta admit there’s false teaching in the CCC and code of canon law. It’s not infallible.

@wolfganghuss3352

2 жыл бұрын

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

@JP-rf8rr

Жыл бұрын

And catholics hunted and killed pacifist protestants. That's not the point.

@jonathanredden2483

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps it should be understood that Roman punishments were so entrenched that Protestants copied them until they realised their utter cruelty.

@geordiewishart1683

Жыл бұрын

Papacy is estimated to have slaughtered circa fifty million souls. And that is acknowledged to be a conservative estimate. These were not cases whereby a Catholic coincidentally killed a Protestant or Jew etc, in furtherance of war, but rather in defence of the church, with the blessing of the church. Well does Daniel's vision of the man of sin wearing out the saints apply to anti Christ papacy

Does horrible behavior warrant wholesale doctrinal changes? I agree behavioral change was an imperative, but extending that out to doctrinal changes does not reconcile with your message of "not trying to score (debate) points". If this horrible behavior creates the direct causal link to changing doctrines please reveal that link, otherwise, this looks and sounds more like an emotional plea to score points. I would respect the Protestant position if they, like the Eastern Orthodox, split over 1 basic issue, but held the vast majority of the historic doctrines.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Brian, thanks for the comment. I think Catholic persecution is relevant because it was a matter of doctrine, not just behavior; because it speaks to the context in which the Reformation happened and why it was necessary; and because it speaks to the question of "what is the true church?" I take it as plausible that the true church of Jesus Christ should be evidenced by being like Jesus Christ. Just my perspective.

@brianback6136

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites If the standard is "Being like Christ" (Perfection in the flesh) then there is NO earthly Church. Bad behavior is part and parcel of our shared human experience. Human behavior does not (or at least should not) determine a doctrines truth. Again, not seeing the connection between behavior and the doctrinal changes driven by the reformers. There was not a doctrine of "burning heretics at the stake" ever in the Catholic Church. It happened, but not by doctrine. Also, reformation did happen within the Church as a result of the reformers and was necessary. It is happening again now and has been necessary - but I would argue your reformation would be an example of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianback6136 I respectfully disagree, there was a highly developed and specific theology by which the Catholic church claimed to wield the power of the sword. It can be discerned in the sermon the Archbishop preached from Rom. 6 at Hus' trial, for instance. As for being like Christ, it is not a matter of perfection, but degrees. Christ himself taught us to discern a tree by its fruit (Mt. 12:33). The church fathers also spoke this way -- for example, consider Ambrose's comments on Luke 9:5, where he enjoins us to recognize a true church by whether it holds to the doctrine and practice of Christ.

@brianback6136

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites A "developed theology" expressed in a sermon is FAR different than divinely inspired doctrine. I wonder what you would find if you sought the beauty of the Catholic Church. What I have personally found is a universal Church holding firm to the doctrines that it has received - and it is beautiful beyond measure (producing abundant fruit)!! Our human nature has demonstrated to me that it is far easier to find sin - and a little more difficult to find beauty - even when the abundance of beauty far outweighs the sin.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianback6136 I do admire much of the beauty of the Catholic tradition -- truly. However, the Catholic claim to the power of the sword was also official papal teaching (e.g., the Unam Sanctam), and it is entirely appropriate, even necessary, to understand that teaching in order to understand the emergence of Protestantism. Thanks for the interaction. From the Unam Sanctam: "We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal."

“There are times _where_ ...”? Shouldn't it be “there are times _when_ ...”?

Sorry but how many Catholics were killed by the Anglican reformation, drawn quartered, beheaded? How many priests and lay people were murdered during the 30 year war, how many Catholics were murdered by the bombing of aHiroshima and Nagasaki? All Protestant atrocities

@Mic1904

2 жыл бұрын

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are now Protestant atrocities 🤦‍♂️ The single biggest leap of logic I've seen in 16 years of KZread, congrats. Next up: Protestants wiped out the dinosaurs.

@afieds6845

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mic1904 off course if a Catholic commits a crime , the Catholic Church is blamed. If a Protestant commits a crime the individual is blamed. This is down to the fact that Protestantism is individualism and Catholicism is Communion. The people in charge of USA at the time of WW2 were the WASP aka white Anglo Saxon Protestants. They were responsible for Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Obviously you don’t have to own that responsibility, but you will one day have to face it

@Mic1904

2 жыл бұрын

@@afieds6845 A genuinely hilarious piece of ill-conceived and vitriolic logic. You reeeeally want to go down the route of 'let's blame WWII atrocities on the nominal religion of the people committing it' as a Catholic? Really? You think the Catholics of Italy and Germany are going to come out of that one well? Please engage your brain.

@afieds6845

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mic1904 relax max , I seemed to have hit a nerve 👍. Protestants always come off blameless. Why because they are without unity. Yet they have a lot to answer for ….

@Mic1904

2 жыл бұрын

@@afieds6845 Lol - love the idea of blaming WWII genocidal atrocities on... a religious group, and then playing the, 'wOw, MuSt HaVe HiT a NeRvE, rElAx' card. Expressing sheer stupidity online as if it's deeply groundbreaking philosophy doesn't actually absolve you of being called out on it.

janhuß was the god on the earth !!! he died for all !!! the white swan is upstanding 4.4.2021 the war between CORONA/Vatikan between SANCTA CORONA JanHuß (Horni Hrad) 3xTrianon back +lions +eagle

Let's go back to the Old Testament. If the leaders of the Jewish people - the high priest, the king, etc - committed incredibly gravely evil acts against some of the Jewish people... Would that mean the high priest was no longer the priest? Or the king wasn't really the king? Also - the Church doesn't have power to execute sinners and heretics? Why then did Peter declare death over ananias and sapphira? (P.S. you defend Protestantism against criticisms about a view of the Sacraments that differs from the early Church, by referencing the views of Luther and other more Sacramental Protestants. And while that approach does have some merit for defending Lutheranism, Anglicanism, etc, it does nothing at all to even remotely defend you, as a Baptist)

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

Taylor, I always appreciate your thoughtful comments. A few responses: "If the leaders of the Jewish people - the high priest, the king, etc - committed incredibly gravely evil acts against some of the Jewish people... Would that mean the high priest was no longer the priest? Or the king wasn't really the king?" 1. I worry about equating Israel and the church in such a way, since Israel was a physical nation as well as a spiritual entity. 2. Yes, even for Israel, grave sins could cause a forfeiture of ecclesial status. This is the appeal of Jesus, John the Baptist, and Paul to the Pharisees (Matt. 3:9, Rom. 2:28-29). It's also what happens at times throughout the OT when people are removed, e.g., Achan, the Babylonian exile. 3. Since I do not maintain that Catholics cannot be part of the church, but Catholics did excommunicate Hus, the more relevant question would be, would those Israelites persecuted by the King still be God's people, even if the persecuting King had anathematized them? "Also - the Church doesn't have power to execute sinners and heretics? Why then did Peter declare death over ananias and sapphira?" Yikes. Do you really believe Acts 5 is a warrant for the church burning people? Would you defend what the church did to Hus? (Regarding your final comment, sacramental issues are outside the purview of this video but I will be addressing them in future videos.)

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites The Pharisees did not hold an official, God-ordained leadership role. And yes, God can send judgement and exile on His people for sin. That doesn't mean an official, God-ordained leader loses his office of leadership. Of course, God *can* do that if He wants to. But that's something God would have to do, and not something that would automatically occur. As far as the question of the salvation of anathematized heretics, Catholic dogma is adamant that culpability for disobedience to the Church is determined by knowledge and consent; ipso facto, the anathematized person is only damned by the anathema if they believe the anathema is from God and willingly persist in disobedience anyways. This is an aspect of Catholic moral theology/soteriology that you consistently fail to understand, and as a result, you strawman the Catholic position (by saying things like, "well, I don't believe the immaculate conception, so if the RCC is right, then I'm damned" - which just simply isn't what the Church teaches). In regards Peter killing ananias and sapphira, my point wasn't that I supported his actions there, but merely that he obviously had the divine authority/power to carry them out.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 thanks, I don’t have time for a full response, but you can point to where Catholic teaching limits culpability in the specific way you describe? I don’t want to straw man Catholic teaching. But I’m simply taking what Pius IX and Pius XII said at face value. Since they spoke ex cathedra I think I’m being fair to the Catholic view, unless there is contrary official teaching I’m unaware of.

@taylorbarrett384

3 жыл бұрын

@@TruthUnites Dude, this is Catholicism 101. Mortal sin (ie culpability for sin) requires three things: grave matter, consent of the will, and full knowledge. It is flabbergasting that you would even begin to speak on the subject if you do not understand that.

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylorbarrett384 I’ll ignore the rhetorical overreach of your comment, and the conflation of mortal sin and the rejection of dogma, and simply say that I’m going with the ex cathedra statements of Popes. To “completely fall away from the faith” means what it means. If you think your view of the rejection of dogma is so obvious then it should be easy to ground in official Catholic teaching. I’ll be grateful for whatever you could cite.

This guy actually thinks the waldensians weren't heretics and were also baptists. Ok lol

@TruthUnites

3 жыл бұрын

Many of the Waldensians practiced credobaptism. What specific teachings of theirs do you find heretical?