Catching Ls for 14 years straight is crazy😭😭

@MrBreakerz-DB

3 ай бұрын

It's impossible for Gohan to dodge that one ☠️

@Toasty7950

3 ай бұрын

GOHAN, DOOOOOOODGE

@xxXTryHard69Xxx

3 ай бұрын

what gohan heard: “NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT!? NEVER BACK DOWN *NEVER GIVE UP* “

@eliqk3qt2rg5v

3 ай бұрын

Should have gotten stronger from those zenkai boosts

@hypersonic4562

3 ай бұрын

I can relate to that

I also noticed he lost his rage. it's like he gave up. Young gohan loses his mind at the idea of losing his friends or family.

@tuhoegamerjerey

3 ай бұрын

His rage is either more calmed or controlled. The latter is most likely because of how his rage Boosts works. His rage Boosts is him tapping into his unknown potential. So the stronger he got the less amount of rage Boosts he has. Besides, we saw his rage twice(sort of) in the dbssh movie

@johnnygyro2295

3 ай бұрын

To be fair, and I might be spitballing here, Gohan had to still have some anger to get Super Saiyan, but he didn't realize how to prefect it and go beyond like Goku did?

@k.m9900

3 ай бұрын

Nah, what I'm trying to say, have you ever been mentally weared down by something repeatedly so you end losing the will to be even emotional towards that certain thing like a dead-end job or a depressed divorced parent. You do it out of weak necessity, not desire.

@tuhoegamerjerey

3 ай бұрын

@@johnnygyro2295 indeed. But even then goku only thinks that there's a level beyond super saiyan when he recovers from the heart virus. So it took drastic measures for even someone like goku and his battles smarts to get to that conclusion

@Mattar03

3 ай бұрын

​@@k.m9900 that's what I thought, too. He got so used to people dying around him he became almost jaded. Compare that to his present counterpart, who isn't used to seeing death every single week. Or he is just angry all the time, which isn't really healthy, both mentally and physically

Couple theories I’ll share 1. His lacking of training experience and sparring partners. He never had the fundamental teachings that Goku gave him in the time chamber to further his strength 2. He was alone and like you said his mental fortitude was probably distorted and weak 3. He likely made the same mistake Vegeta did in that he would overtrain without giving himself enough time to recover 4. It seems like he also lost most of his rage which was the key to unlocking his power and zenkai boost 5. No Hyperbolic time chamber. Not only did Gohan have little experience but no ideal training grounds

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

The writers forgot his zenkai boost out of anger that knocked Raditz, 2nd form Frieza, and 3rd form Frieza

@EskChan19

Ай бұрын

Also, unlike our Gohan he never got the mastered super saiyan form either. Goku would have usually taught him that, but since Goku is gone he can't. And since Vegeta died during the androids first attack too, noone in Trunks timeline ever nvented the other super saiyan grades.

@steelsoild6909

23 күн бұрын

My personal headcanon is that theory 1 and 2 are canon and that he only started to get better at self training when trunks showed up.

@plewisjr90

18 күн бұрын

​@yudhazacharias9377 You don't get zenkai boosts from anger. That was gohan getting a rage boost in those particular moments. The only time we know he for sure gets one is after freeza was tryna flatten his skull & krillin saves him. After he's healed by dende his power goes up & freeza figures out that he must be a saiyan cause of it.

@yudhazacharias9377

18 күн бұрын

@@plewisjr90 wait, zenkai boosts come from recovering from near death experiences right? So 13 years of fighting the androids give no zenkai boosts to Gohan?

I think a major theme of the series is that hardship doesn't actually breed improvement. The strongest fighters have joy and hope in their lives. Getting beaten up for 14 years doesn't do it.

@forcebrand4678

Ай бұрын

Jiren and Beerus want a word with you.

@MakeVarahHappen

Ай бұрын

@@forcebrand4678 Beerus sure does have joy in his life. He's very casual and just wants good experiences.

@senorbongo4975

Ай бұрын

@@forcebrand4678Beerus has plenty of joy in his life, and Jiren was strong but he lost to Universe 7’s teamwork, and ultimately is motivated to become even stronger by Gokus words

@maxi1ification

28 күн бұрын

@@forcebrand4678and yet Jiren lost to Goku, whose mastery of UI came partly due to the camaraderie he had with his people, while Jiren could have ended things and given his team the win early on if he had truly cared to. See the difference?

@morezombies9685

28 күн бұрын

Except in the freiza saga where getting beaten up once gives you a literal 100x permanent power up.

I also heard that there was the possibility that he would overtrain himself and not give himself enough time to recover. Goku never gave him the advice that recovery is just as important as training until they both trained in the time chamber.

@darkestlight660

3 ай бұрын

This makes a ton of sense, and as mark points out, he might just be bad at training while suppressing himself

@tuhoegamerjerey

3 ай бұрын

Probably. Considering the only physical type of training he got was the harsh one with piccolo that he had for a year.

@BlackIung

3 ай бұрын

That makes sense because if you train without recovery you make no progress

@artursales259

3 ай бұрын

​@@BlackIungThere is a risk that you will get worse, in fact you can destroy your body and lower your performance (and in his case, who always needs to be prepared, this is fatal)

@raze2012_

3 ай бұрын

"Work Hard, study well, and eat and sleep a plenty. That is the Turtle Hermit way to learn!" Goku learned from the best.

Kinda funny how people complain about Gohan slacking on his training when the Gohan who did nothing but train, ended up dead in a puddle. 💀

@najibosman6497

3 ай бұрын

100% the gohan who spent the majority of his life training can’t keep up to the version of himself that slacks off constantly 😂

@triforceofcourage100

3 ай бұрын

It’s less that he slacks off and more that they keep repeating the same story beats over and over ever since the buu saga. Gohan is weaker because he hasn’t trained since (please insert last saga Gohan was relevant here) and now he’s a an irrelevant loser who has to wait for goku to show up. Also can’t forget that arrogance that someone as smart as Gohan would have definitely learned from the first time. It’s gotten old heck it was old when it was reintroduced

@BCCSquidward

3 ай бұрын

@@triforceofcourage100 Current Gohan is looking to change that trend, it seems different this time because of Beast Gohan.

@tuhoegamerjerey

3 ай бұрын

​@@BCCSquidwardremember when he was the first to unlock ssj2? Slacked. The only one to have the mystic form and unlocked it in the buu saga? Slacked. Said he wanted to unlock a new form, then he struggled to wear piccolo's weighted cape at the start of the dbssh movie. Just because he has a new form doesn't mean he'll stay on top of his training

@BCCSquidward

3 ай бұрын

@@tuhoegamerjerey The difference here is... Gohan got a whole movie for his new form. 💀 And we've already gotten past the Super Hero Arc... is he slacking yet? No, instead we got this man fighting ULTRA INSTINCT GOKU. ☠️

Something thats specific to gohan is his emotions and how that affects his fighting abilities. Gohan living in a tragic future makes him more jaded of a person, its harder to tap into your raw emotions when you become more apathetic surrounded by war. This specific gohan isn't also our gohan, hes a grown up version of gohan post namek. Just looking at it from there, you can see how he ended up as someone that could never tap into his true power the way he currently is. Gohan's experience with his father helped him reach the peak he couldn't see. Future Gohan probably couldn't imagine how much stronger he really can be when he is constantly failing all the time, he calls Trunks their last hope because he doesn't believe in his own strength and abilities to win after everything. With a Gohan that has given up on himself, Trunk really does end up being their last hope.

@someguywithacoconut9895

4 күн бұрын

Honestly it’s really sad. His lawyer getting kidnapped by Raditz was never really peaceful or happy, and with most everyone dead, especially Goku, he didn’t have someone that could show him there was more power within himself than he could comprehend, ie, Super Saiyan 2. So him being weaker makes sense, because Future Gohan would think that Super Saiyan is the absolute peak he could ever achieve in power.

It's because he never spent time with his father in the Hypertonic Lion Tamer. I miss Abridged.

@Xeonort

3 күн бұрын

I think you mean the Hype Ebonics Rhyme Chamber.

Bro got jumped in a 2v1 and held his own for a bit. And i love him for it

@divineeternity7268

3 ай бұрын

👍

@ATLAS-su9wf

3 ай бұрын

And had 1 arm so..... yeah he did his job

@aw7665

2 ай бұрын

Came here to find this comment. Respect to Big Han for real.

@basedshogun_8048

2 ай бұрын

10+ years of it

@33GLOCK

Ай бұрын

​@basedsholgun_8048 lol

Something worth mentioning is that the senzu bean went extinct. In the anime we see that he had them for most of his life. But in the manga it's just mentioned that they've been gone for some time. It's very possible that everytime he got his ass beat by the androids he had to heal the normal way, waiting in a hospital bed not training until all his bones put themselves back together.

@X_SHADOW_X58

3 ай бұрын

Wouldnt he get massive zenkai boosts by that?

@sugma69420

3 ай бұрын

​@X_SHADOW_X58 probably not enough. That and I highly doubt even with the time chamber he could train properly by himself

@theendersmirk5851

3 ай бұрын

@@X_SHADOW_X58 Unless he was near death, probably not. Broken bones, unfortunately for Saiyans, do not appear to qualify as near death. Otherwise Vegeta would've gotten *way* stronger immediately after getting the shit kickec out of him by 18.

@rileyrose5166

3 ай бұрын

@@X_SHADOW_X58 Injuries strong enough to give zenkais would take a long ass time to heal up, so I feel like it's hard to chain zenkais in the way Goku did in the Namek saga. He got as many zenkais in a week as Gohan could probably afford to get over the span of several years.

@Jay9966

3 ай бұрын

Also, in super we find out androids can get stronger too. Maybe they also improved along with whatever zenkai Trunks received

Not having goku to train with really does put this into perspective

I think another big part of this is he lacked any sparring partners. Everyone else was dead so without a rival or mentor to push him, his gains were a lot slower. Training alone limited how he was able to train.

Give him some credit, he could fight both androids and Vegeta was obliterated by just one of them.

@ryuhayabu1

3 ай бұрын

In the manga, cyborg 17 stated they fought at less than half power in their last fight with future gohan, so in reality he's not anywhere near their lvl. Not to mention these cyborgs are weaker than the ones in the main timeline. It's also flat out stated in the manga that future trunks just before he went back in time is a little bit stronger than future gohan.

@ernestoacosta7918

3 ай бұрын

@@ryuhayabu1also only cyborg 17 fought Gohan, as 18 sat and laughed on the side

@xegin1572

3 ай бұрын

​@@ryuhayabu1 It doesn't change anything, but the future androids may not actually be weaker that the present ones. Let me explain, iirc Trunks wasn't there when 17 said he was only half strength, and chances are he held back the same way against Trunks, which Trunks can't tell because he can't sense their ki. Are the present androids truly stronger than the future ones, or did the present androids just take Trunks more seriously than the future ones ever did ?

@tohrum2679

3 ай бұрын

​@xegin1572 thing was, Dr. Gero had the z fighters' power levels constantly monitored, so that the androids power levels would be superior to all of the z fighters. Since present-day Z fighters train much more, the androids strength increased as well. The Cell from that timeline line was in the same vein; he was made to be superior to both trunks-timeline androids, but because the present androids, hell, even kami-fused piccolo, was stronger than him[Cell], he had to consume many more lives before he was stronger than present androids.

@Hater20X

3 ай бұрын

​@@tohrum2679Dr did not constantly monitor the Z fighters through thier training. He didn't even know Goku could go SSJ. It surprised him. The original commenter is right. Trunks just believed the present Androids were stronger because the Future Androids held back on thier last play thing. They didn't go all out on him. They literally could have killed him anytime they wanted. We can clearly see the Androids like to play when fighting. 18 could have killed vegeta in thier fight after breaking his arm. And 17 could have wiped out the rest of the Z fighters but instead they left them alive for later playing and went to find Goku. They even drove because "it would be fun".

I remember that, in the Shin Budokai 2 Game, is stated that when he died and went to heaven, he kept seeing the Androids in his mind in a trance like state:(

@chlans8755

3 ай бұрын

He actually got stronger just hallucinating about androids and got ss2

@dannymoontattoos

2 ай бұрын

@@chlans8755really?

@JaySwavo

Ай бұрын

@@dannymoontattoosa joke

@DakarEditz1

Ай бұрын

They done gave bro PTSD 💀

@samburgerwithcheeze8145

Ай бұрын

​@@dannymoontattoos Yeah in that game future Gohan has SSJ2 AND potential unleashed (he gets ultimate by the Z sword in his timeline)

Present day Gohan had more to work with, he had both his master and father to train with for 3 years and because his father survived the heart virus he was able to train even more to the point he not only got ssj early but his dad found a more effective way of using ssj it also helped that 17&18 weren't as ruthless as their future counterparts

No zenkais No rage boosts No help from the afterlife Just years of ass beatings Poor bastard

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

The writers forgot his zenkai boost out of anger that knocked Raditz, 2nd form Frieza, and 3rd form Frieza

@Ismayonnaiseaninstrument37

16 күн бұрын

And has NO arm,only have 1 arm

I wish Gohan was a more intelligent fighter. He is a smart dude and I wish it was reflected in his fighting style. Sometimes db just gets a bit 'i am more powerful so i win' and it would be cool to have interesting enemies with styles that need intelligent solutions for once.

@kosh974

3 ай бұрын

Preach

@URIA6788

Ай бұрын

Because, In the end, Power is the real deal.

@immortalfrieza

Ай бұрын

It's because of his potential power that Gohan is a unintelligent fighter. He had only a year of actual training under someone who knew what they were doing (Piccolo) and from then on relies mostly upon his rage boosts to get through fights throughout the series rather than his training. The end result is Gohan has neither the fighting experience nor the need to go over how he fights.

@barretryan

Ай бұрын

Yeah that’s exactly how pre time skip one piece was

@srchzo

Ай бұрын

he shows his inteliligence in the broly movie (2nd one) but is not canon and alternate universe

I would argue that it's because: • He didn't know about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber since Goku died and never told anyone about that place (which was essential for everyone to get a boost on their power levels) • Since Goku died, there is no training about staying as SSJ for 10 straight days and having full control over it • Training with only Trunks wouldn't make him stronger. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks for example to get stronger had to make changes in their way of training, something that Future Gohan couldn't do.

@ttubzzy

3 ай бұрын

i completely agree about the HBTC but i didn't even think about the last two 😭. that definitely explains it though

@yosangle

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't piccolo know about hyperbolic time chamber , since kami knows about it?

@hoshiryu

3 ай бұрын

​@@yosangleyes but it's pointless, since the moment they find out about the Androids, they die, they have no time to even think about the Room for Training

@treashtyl89

3 ай бұрын

@@yosangle in the future piccolo and kami did not join back together sp he would not know about it

@Lwiis64

3 ай бұрын

I would like to think Mr. Popo would have sought Gohan to train in the chamber after the Androids killed the rest of the Z fighters.

Akira Toriyama forgot to pick up a colored pencil to give him a boost

He lost him arm lol. Bro was literally fighting with 1 hand. Thats a HUGE nerf.

@BO2ZombieX

13 күн бұрын

SSJ2 Gohan literally ended Cell with one arm left. He's been in a situation like that before.

@justthefacts6902

13 күн бұрын

@@BO2ZombieX doesn’t make it any less of a nerf… if he can do that with 1 arm what would he be able to do with 2?

To be honest it was the same principle on why Goku didn't want to train in the HBTC right after he got out. I know the gravity, weather is different from Earth's, but putting you body through an insane amount of stress like that will barely get you anywhere. For Future Gohan, it's exhausting... He's pretty much fighting (or surviving fights with) the Androids frequently, there's no proper room for growth. Plus he was doing this solo for a long time. Like how both Vegeta and Trunks didn't get that much stronger after using the chamber again. And why during the 7 year time skip, Vegeta only got strong enough to surpass a ssj2 child Gohan, while Goku surpassed even that, and unlocked ssj3. It ironically falls back to Roshi's motto: Work hard, study well, and eat and sleep plenty!

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

its simple, theres no explanation beside plot. Just like Kid Trunks without any training beside having fun with Goten managed to surpass Future Trunks at that age by miles. Even 18(stronger than Future 18 even when she woke up according to Future Trunks, aka every timeline characters has different powerlvls in the first place) was shocked at how strong Goten and Trunks were and actually started to sweat.

@taecampus

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelshahoe putting the plot excuse aside, I thought it was obvious why Trunks was stronger than his future counterpart first appearance. He was properly training, learning all the fundamentals. He wasn't just having fun with Goten 😅. He was training with Vegeta, then training with Goten. It's why Goten was pretty strong as well. It's the same with Future Trunks. In the beginning, when he started learning from Future Gohan, you can see his growth from training. Until Gohan died, and Trunks had to fight the Androids alone. At the point, even with his ssj powers and abilities, he stagnanted. I mean, yeah he did get strong enough to easily kill someone like Freeza and King Cold, but against his Androids and the presents, nada. Another great example is when all 4 saiyans (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta and Trunks) went inside the HBTC. As far as we know (not counting video games, or even filler scene) Vegeta and Trunks trained solo. Yeah they each got strong, but without necessary knowledge to train properly or go further, it didn't massively boost them in the long run. However Goku did it the right way. He first trained Gohan up to unlock ssj, trained him up to get just as strong and then they trained together. They got waaaay stronger within less time than Vegeta and Trunks.

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

@@taecampus We actually dont really know how strict Vegeta was regarding with training Kid Trunks. For all we know, Vegeta barely trained Kid Trunks and why he underestimated Kid Trunks so much and didnt know Kid Trunks not only just achieved SSJ but already mastered it with Goten. It wouldnt even be that surprising that Kid Goten achieved SSJ before Kid Trunks because of ChiChi actually training Goten and Goten awakening it during the stressfull time and than Goten showed it off in front of Kid Trunks. We don't really know how it happen and it's pretty much implied the kids got mainly stronger through their own playfull sparring sessions that Goten implied to Gohan. The Kids already skipped grade 2 and grade 3 ssj and didnt fall into the same trap as Vegeta and Future Trunks did. Instead they skipped everything and unintentionally came to the same result as Goku came. It's also implied that alternate timeline characters does not have the same powerlvls regardless of the different conditions. Take android 17 and 18 for example. They already were stronger than their future counterpart according to Future Trunks despite the only change in the butterfly effect being them awakening 16.

@taecampus

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelshahoe gooood....... I replied, sent it but for some reason KZread didn't save it I guess?

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

@@taecampus from my end, I dont see any new responses beside the one you wrote about youtube not sending it or something.

Even then in dragonball as a whole we see solo training isnt effective unless some sort of breakthrough in their training is achieved, Goku trained for 5 years to prepare for his rematch against piccolo and barely got any stronger

@Master__Chief117

3 ай бұрын

Black Frieza right

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, this Future Gohan is the same Gohan who shockingly knocked Raditz, fired up a Masenko against Nappa, gave some beating to 2nd form Frieza, and almost defeating 3rd form Frieza. All of that raging potential did not come from Goku's training, and the writers of History of Trunks say "ahh forget it"

@montanamaxxamillion

3 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 At this age he should have SS2 but none of that stuff you mentioned made any difference because the main training is the training with Goku in the RoSat and he didnt get that Plus F. Gohan only had his potential unlocked once while our Gohan has been unlocked twice

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

@@montanamaxxamillion future Gohan never had his potential unlocked. He was killed by the Androids before Old Kai unlocked his potential. And our Gohan only jad his potential unlocked once* in the Buu saga

@montanamaxxamillion

3 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 f. Gohan had his potential unlocked the first time by elder namekian, same as ours..Except he didnt recieve the elder Kai unlock that ours did at this same age

Future Gohan somehow having a phone, seeing the title before watching the video: *You MF*

Actually future gohan has more potential than universe 7 gohan, if that gohan had ss2 it would’ve been the biggest wrap ever. Bad circumstances is why that gohan died the way he did. No training, no goku, and second he got super saiyan he was always fighting. If he trained with goku similar to trunks training with his dad. Dude would’ve been a monster

future gohan is one of my favorite db characters. i understand that it's kind of absurd to love a character that has so little screen time, but his stand against fate, the androids, the last fighter who lived in despair being the beacon of hope for the last remaining warrior, it's so inspiring and awesome. him being the gohan we know too helps a lot; the young boy we've seen until now, uncertain but strong, fighting for everything. even though he had no chance, he stood tall against despair, even if it cost him his life. my goat

@aoife-oh9si

3 ай бұрын

it helps that he's really cool in dokkan battle

@divineeternity7268

3 ай бұрын

True

@doryu1004

3 ай бұрын

Bardock would be extremely proud of his Grandson, future Gohan.

@kaistemino

2 ай бұрын

just say you glaze 'em then.

@TheLastGarou

Ай бұрын

There is definitely something to be said for that kind of Badass Last Stand.

Bro really wanted to be like picollo with that arm 💀

@Ireallydislikehandles

3 ай бұрын

Picollo?

@Ga_mma1

3 ай бұрын

@@Ireallydislikehandlespiccolos lost his arm but his grew back lol

@Ireallydislikehandles

3 ай бұрын

@@Ga_mma1 I know, it’s the spelling of Piccolo threw me off.

@Jules279

3 ай бұрын

​@@Ga_mma1"I wish I was a Namekian, would be really helpful about now." Tfs Gohan 😆

@ConfusedMeteor-cd2ox

3 ай бұрын

In the cell sa-​@@Ga_mma1

Well, gohan, piccolo and goku trained hard for 3 years following trunks telling them about the androids. In the alternate timeline they were unaware and it’s doubtful gohan started training till he heard multiple of the fighters were killed. He was doubtless super rusty and didn’t know how to train at a level he could beat the androids

@EskChan19

Ай бұрын

Yes. Plus since Cell never arrived there, and Goku was already dead, he also never trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, which we know has higher gravity and lower air so training there is way more effectiv than training on earth for a year. Plus he never learned the perfected super saiyan that Goku and him got in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber either.

@trollinoakenshield9822

16 күн бұрын

Even future vegeta who also become super saiyan got beaten because he didnt train as hard as the og timeline

He never had the 3 years prep training for androids which had a huge difference because that was his actual training with Goku and piccolo training refined for 3 whole years.

This really shows how Goku is so important and specially in how he's a great master

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

its simple, theres no explanation beside plot. Just like Kid Trunks without any training beside having fun with Goten managed to surpass Future Trunks at that age by miles. Even 18(stronger than Future 18 even when she woke up according to Future Trunks, aka every timeline characters has different powerlvls in the first place) was shocked at how strong Goten and Trunks were and actually started to sweat.

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, this Future Gohan is the same Gohan who shockingly knocked Raditz, fired up a Masenko against Nappa, gave some beating to 2nd form Frieza, and almost defeating 3rd form Frieza. All of that raging potential did not come from Goku's training, and the writers of History of Trunks say "ahh forget it"

@Zamamasu

3 ай бұрын

Goku never really taught Gohan though. In fact it was Piccolo that taught him pretty well everything about fighting. All the rage boosts that Gohan got from fighting Raditz, Napa, 2nd form Frieza, 3rd form Frieza didn't come from training with Goku - it just came out of his "LaTenT PowErS". But I guess the writers just fucked that idea off and thought "Rage boost who?" Kinda sad

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

@@Zamamasu I know right....

@Zamamasu

3 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 Legit

Limitness of senzu beans is also one reason because of that he couldn't do intense training

@juanresto6756

3 ай бұрын

That's a valid explanation.

@mitsu_song

3 ай бұрын

actully senzu bean went extinct in the future

@Axyz12343

3 ай бұрын

@@mitsu_song yes but upto the point where gohan lost his arm

@michaelbardock8675

Ай бұрын

Limited is the word you are looking for. After he gives trunks the senzu while protecting him, losing his arm in the process, they are non-existent afterwards.

@deckzone3000

Ай бұрын

You don't need senzu beans for intense training.

Body builders look like small man trapped in a suit and it’s in dragon ball too

Nobody ever mentions that the only reason Gohan is a scholars because Chichi was a smothering mother, fearful of everything and never accepting of her decision to marry Goku. Everyone treats Chi-Chi like a victim when she is the one who pursued him. Then everybody thinks she's the hero because Goku is too busy saving the world. Absolutely not.

In the manga, after his year worth of training with trunks (who at this point is a child) gohan decides to go face the androids. when this happens, 17 says that last time they fought, him and 18 only used half of their power. Therefore, while gohan did have allot of preparation. He only prepared for half of what the androids had to offer. Thats why he got killed so quickly. Bro didnt have a catch in hell

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, this Future Gohan is the same Gohan who shockingly knocked Raditz, fired up a Masenko against Nappa, gave some beating to 2nd form Frieza, and almost defeating 3rd form Frieza. All of that raging potential did not come from Goku's training, and the writers of History of Trunks say "ahh forget it"

@donovanfaust3227

3 ай бұрын

Catch in hell? Did you mean "chance in hell" or have I just never heard that saying before.

@KM-fn7ju

3 ай бұрын

@@donovanfaust3227 lol it was a typo

@Doomzdeh

Ай бұрын

I have my doubts about that one tbh. 17 may have just said that to screw with Trunks and Gohan. I just don’t see how it’s possible for Kid Gohan to blitz Perfect Cell into the ground while Future Gohan couldn’t even defeat 17 & 18 at half-power. I suspect that Gohan truly pushed them, but that he ultimately didn’t have a chance while fighting 1v2 and without any Training Guidance. You have to keep in mind that Future Trunks tells us that Gohan taught him how to fight, and Future Trunks blitzed Frieza without any issue. After all, before Goku died in that Timeline, Gohan had already went through quite a lot and had already gotten pretty powerful. I don’t buy that he magically stopped improving over the next decade when he was training all the time.

@deckzone3000

Ай бұрын

​@@Doomzdeh 😅 New to DBZ?

Also a valid point for his weakness is 'Plot', if he was strong enough to kill the androids the saga wouldn't have existed in the first place.

@divineeternity7268

3 ай бұрын

Lol

@cedric15773

3 ай бұрын

That's not really a "reason". That's just stating what happened, without giving an in-universe reason as to why.

@krillinsindahouse1898

3 ай бұрын

This is the right answer

@roadkill1172

3 ай бұрын

@@cedric15773 Sometimes things are so inexplicable that an in-universe reason just doesn't cut it

@WaddyMuters

3 ай бұрын

@@cedric15773 It's a story about magical flying bodybuilders that can shoot lasers, writen for children. To expect a prefectly congruent narrative is setting expectations are a little high don't you think.

Ultimately, it boils down to plot because of plot. If gohan was as strong as he should be after 14 yrs of zenkai boosts and training, Trunks wouldn't have needed to go back in time, thus canceling the entire cell arc. There is no real in story reason why Gohan, who has ultimate potential and huge rage buffs, wouldn't eventually be able to kill the andriods after enough time. Even if you say Gohan was training inefficiently.

@chrisnonlinear

18 күн бұрын

Have to agree. Thats just too much time not make slow but steady improvements. Thats even if you factor him being more cautious due to sensu bean plant dying out too.

So in the future timeline, Broly and his father just spend the rest of their lives on vampa till xeno erases everything? 💀

I've always had the impression that the reason Saiyans can get exponentially stronger in short amounts of time, especially when they aroused this deeper emotion that's not purely self-centred or shallow. Which really makes sense to me when you think about it. Saiyans, with the potential to be the lesser gods that they are, most of them could never ascend because they are all still in an uncivilized culture of conquer, bloodlust, domination and pride. Any Saiyan that became unexpectedly selfless ascended to Super Saiyan. Any Saiyan that got righteously angry ascended. Any Saiyan that's also kind-hearted who wants to do good by others like the boys just ascend into Super Saiyan like it's nothing. So ironically enough, all the Saiyans needed was to be genuinely good people as a race to make it easier to ascend, but they couldn't, because back in the day, they're about chasing combat, bloodlust and power. All very selfish things. I would like to think what I've thought for years is true. Kind of also fits into the Ki concept that Akira Toriyama put forth. Coincidence? I THINK YES! But still!

@Vipes3

3 ай бұрын

I haven't read the super manga, so the answer may be there, but then why wouldn't the Universe 6 saiyans be all suped out? 7 had to come in and teach them how to transform, when their whole deal is being the good guys. I've always thought that the Saiyans of the past never achieved higher strength, because they were stuck in a "I am what I am" mentality. Someone with a power level of 5000, would just keep having 5000 their whole life. Never questioning it, and never trying to improve it. That training to improve oneself, is something more spiritual races do, like humans and Namekians. Which is why a Saiyan growing up on Earth, means so much for their potential. I know there are Zenkai boosts, but Saiyans of the past seemed to be cowards. Never fighting those who could give them a real fight, outside of those like Bardock.

@LorienzoDeGarcia

3 ай бұрын

@@Vipes3 I think a lot of Saiyans start out just like the Vegeta clan, they all as a whole believed that your power level was pretty much what you're born with. I don't know much about Universe 6, but their Saiyans presented to us are pretty much scrawny and unimpressive (except for the Caulifla), and until Goku & Vegeta came into their lives, they didn't even know of how to Super Saiyan until they were taught how to. Then they basically immediately went SSJ in no time. That's impressive stuff. They had the potential and none of the guidance. That's my stupid little world's theory anyway.

@LorienzoDeGarcia

3 ай бұрын

@@Vipes3 Plus, another thing about Universe 6... The new Paragus was actually super strong, because he mamaged to spar with Broly and stuff. I think Saiyans also grow as strong as their challenges (if they survive), kind of like a diamond out of carbon thing - The more pressure, the hardier you become. But of course Saiyans are like the embodoment of this but with the flesh. What doesn't kill them literally makes them stronger. Maybe Universe 6 just doesn't have that big if a threat/challenge if Frost was their best villain.

In addition, Future Gohan likely didn't start training until after the Androids appeared. That means from when he got home from Namek until the Androids appeared (~5 year gap), his power was more or less stagnant, if not a bit weaker than his Namek self, since Gohan isn't one to train for fun in his spare time like Goku or Piccolo.

@midnightbat344

3 ай бұрын

Also he have to train trunk too

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

its simple, theres no explanation beside plot. Just like Kid Trunks without any training beside having fun with Goten managed to surpass Future Trunks at that age by miles. Even 18(stronger than Future 18 even when she woke up according to Future Trunks, aka every timeline characters has different powerlvls in the first place) was shocked at how strong Goten and Trunks were and actually started to sweat.

@Redblaze27

3 ай бұрын

Also if he trained too hard, the Androids would probably know his location.

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

@@Redblaze27 androids cant sense powerlvls regarding the training too hard. DBS manga also pointed that out in TOP. Only 16 and Cell could sense energy. 16 similiar to a scouter while Cell is the same as the main cast.

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

The writers just said screw his raging zenkai boost

You know, that explanation about Ki is something I'd never heard before, and it makes a LOT of sense.

@nukawave-um7iu

22 күн бұрын

Same and you can make the debate it’s why Goku usually defeats Vegeta. Goku has the superior right mindedness

Plus maybe, with all the battles they went through with the z fighters and later gohan, future android 17 and 18 may have become stronger over time, and they may have even started training when they noticed gohan getting zenkai boosts.

I have a theory that Ki is influenced by outside influences. IE if you feel a Ki far higher than your own, your body unlocks new heights of KI. This would explain why the humans were 3x as strong as Goku was when they trained with Kami (they felt Radizt energy). Gohan never felt the Cyborgs energy, so his body was capped at what he felt Vegeta at as a kid.

@MegaEditz715

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn't it be capped at frieza or cold? Not that it would change anything..

@MegaEditz715

3 ай бұрын

Oh wait nvm im trippin you meant ssj vegeta

@SuperBetaBuxbros.

3 ай бұрын

@@MegaEditz715lmfao

@stillnousername9796

3 ай бұрын

So kinda like how physical world records are broken once, and suddenly dozens of people are shattering that same broken record to try and surpass the new one?

@MikeK-zq7cm

3 ай бұрын

This is completely made up and not true, he is that weak because the writer wrote him that way for the plot of the arc.

Honestly is weird to me as well since present Gohan is on par Goku and Vegeta rn in company future Trunks is way stronger than present Trunks

@Medbread

3 ай бұрын

Future gohan never unlocked SSJ2 or had his potential unlocked by Elder Kai, which put him on par with Super Buu. We can assume becoming "Ultimate Gohan" probably did most of the heavy lifting for him

@Jaythephoenix428

3 ай бұрын

@@Medbread present Gohan is the one who reached ssj2 I think you mean future Gohan

@Medbread

3 ай бұрын

@@Jaythephoenix428 Yeah sorry misspoke

@montanamaxxamillion

3 ай бұрын

May be stronger than Beast as well…if he takes the DBHeroes route Of whic beast is a derivative- Gohan had a version of ss4 and Trunks got SSG

He knows how to train he trained with piccolo and krillin in mental image on Kami spaceship. But I think he reached super saiyan early after seeing piccolo dead. But spent a lot of years trying to master to go into the form. Plus he was probably busy saving human lives.

Essentially, future Gohan has the Tien problem. He has to train alone, and only has a much weaker sidekick as a partner, so his growth has been stunted for years.

It’s pretty clear, he just didn’t have the right teacher to aid him in powering up. He didn’t have his father to show him how a SSJ works. He had to figure it out himself.

@JamesRaworth-ng6ji

3 ай бұрын

True

@Demonmagnos

3 ай бұрын

It's as simple as that. I think even having Piccolo still around would've made him stronger, albeit not as strong as he'd be with Goku as his teacher.

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

You wanna talk teacher? No one taught him how to knock Raditz, no one. The writers forgot his zenkai boost out of anger that knocked Raditz, 2nd form Frieza, and 3rd form Frieza

@JamesRaworth-ng6ji

3 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 cool man

@JamesRaworth-ng6ji

3 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 well said that's true man I loved it when he's going ss2 for the first time

Future Gohan was the hardest mfer. Mans lost his friends, mans lost his arm, mans still fought.

Gohan was a kid and the only one surving any of this, including Vegeta. Became super saiyan on his own, trained trunks to become one as well. If Goku wasnt such a hit in japan $$, gohan was supposed to take the mantal. Plot armor cant be beat however. Its still the goku show

Gohan didn't learn how to "train" from Piccolo, he learned to survive. Piccolo only drilled training into him in the last bit of time so that he could fight. As such, he never learned how to effectively train solo. He also didn't have a partner that could push him, like Goku and Vegeta had each other. Anyone who could effectively train him or train with him was dead. It's already amazing that he was able to unlock SSJ by himself.

The fact that only a few comments understand the full context of gohan’s situation proves that dbz fans are never beating the allegations

@ducky36F

2 ай бұрын

People spend to long trying to power scale like this is rock-paper-scissors and not enough time focusing on what the story is actually telling them.

@keystone5917

2 ай бұрын

@@ducky36F exactly

@shredwerd009

Ай бұрын

well said. I honestly believe eventually, Gohan may have overcome the androids if they didn't grow tired and finish him off.

Even considering all that he should still benefit from his famous rage boosts which are known to multiply his ki by insane factors if only for a brief moment.

@latima123ify

3 ай бұрын

This is what I was thinking lol this mans rage boosts are ridiculous and your telling me he had none when they were killing all hiss loved ones?

Real answer: Toriyama hated gohan, it's painfully obvious by now. Its like a switch flipped after the cell saga, lol.

Gohan didn't know how to evolve super Saiyan so he could only become as strong as Goku and Vegeta were at the beginning of the Android saga. If he trained with Goku he'd have evolved super Saiyan and probably be close to becoming a SSJ 2 by now.

@tuhoegamerjerey

3 ай бұрын

He was possibly weaker than vegeta and goku in the android saga because of how much more effective the training goku and Vegeta was doing in comparison. Secondly, Vegeta faced off against stronger androids than the future androids and went out in better condition than gohan

@JamesRaworth-ng6ji

3 ай бұрын

Well said

@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667

3 ай бұрын

Manga Gohan was even weaker that Yadrat Goku who was at the same level of Future Trunks who was state to be stronger than Future Gohan. Manga Gohan didnt stand a chance and die by Andorid 17 alone. While Trunks state that he could fight both Androids. Poor Gohan of only he could drink that special water that kid Goku drink to defeat Piccolo Daimao who awake His inner powers.

@blackice7050

3 ай бұрын

​@@tuhoegamerjerey Actually there's nothing to prove that the Present Androids are stronger than the Future Androids and Future Trunks statements don't mean shit since Future Trunks never faced the Future Androids at 100 percent so he doesn't even know how strong they actually are The Present Androids are simply using more power since they are fighting a stronger Z Fighters and since Future Gohan was able to take on two suppressed Androids with one arm while Vegeta lost to one suppressed Android with both arms suggests that Future Gohan was still leagues ahead of Goku and Vegeta in The Android Saga before the Time Chamber not to mention that Future Gohan didn't have anyone to train under or any gravity room or training equipment

@blackice7050

3 ай бұрын

​@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 Master Korin was killed by the Androids so that's out of the way

I always kinda thought Gohan just wasn’t a good solo trainer. Later material did say saiyans did get stronger when fighting in groups. Probably also wasn’t able to use the gravity room. Most likely got destroyed sometime before the the movie. I also thought he might not be able to utilize the Zenkai boost to its full effect. I wouldn’t be surprised if Korin’s tower was gone in the future, or Korin is dead. Meaning limited sensu beans. And once they’re gone, they’re gone. That means you can’t just pull a Vegeta and just get an other worldly beat down like against Zarbon or Cell, and then jump in the healing tank or eat a sensu bean and get a massive zenkai. I unfortunately think the “Future Gohan was weak” argument has just been made more and more prominent the higher the power in the main timeline gets. One interesting thing is that on the Wiki, Future Gohan was 23 when he died. I think we can all say he was WAY stronger than Goku was at 23. At least there’s that.

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

The writers forgot his zenkai boost out of anger that knocked Raditz, 2nd form Frieza, and 3rd form Frieza

@diegomedina9637

2 ай бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 Clear sigh that you never actually saw DBZ. Gohan got some good hits on Raditz and Frieza yeah... But can you remind me what happened right after those moments? (Specially against Frieza?) Gohan whole arc from the beginning to late Cell Saga was that he did had great potential but couldn't take advantage of it until he properly trained with Goku, which never happened in the future timeline.

@yudhazacharias9377

2 ай бұрын

@@diegomedina9637 I see. Okay, but another thing that threw me off was that Goku kept telling teen Gohan to get angry over and over. If the key is anger, then how come future Gohan isn't angry with all those deaths for 13 years?

i wasnt paying attention to the short since i was doing something until "vigor" was said 😭

I also imagine the lack of resources they could scavenge with the looming threat of andriods finding them, and we all know how much sayians need to eat, so there also could be some level of malnutrition in it too

If I had a nickel for every time Carthu's avatar pointing upward pose appears nowadays. 😂

Lowkey wild how big of a power gap main Gohan and future Gohan have during the same time (age 780), one is on par with Super Saiyan Blue while the other is stuck in early android saga, it shows how much Gohans family means to him during his training

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

its simple, theres no explanation beside plot. Just like Kid Trunks without any training beside having fun with Goten managed to surpass Future Trunks at that age by miles. Even 18(stronger than Future 18 even when she woke up according to Future Trunks, aka every timeline characters has different powerlvls in the first place) was shocked at how strong Goten and Trunks were and actually started to sweat.

@hrdshrdrck8727

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelshahoe stop spamming the same trash

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

@@hrdshrdrck8727 why shouldnt I when so many failed to understand such a simple thing :)

@hrdshrdrck8727

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelshahoe problem is: You are wrong

@michaelshahoe

3 ай бұрын

@@hrdshrdrck8727 no arguments to debunk it, so you must be wrong :)

Another thing to consider is the lack of the Time Chamber.

I was actually reading Herms translation of that Toriyama quote and Herms (about a decade ago, it was old post) mentioned that Ki wasn't exclusively made up of those 3 things but that other -ki words would also be involved and he should have made it clearer.

Meanwhile the current timeline’s Gohan is now capable of beating up gods of destruction. Hmmmm

@montanamaxxamillion

3 ай бұрын

Maybe, maybe not…maybe he could beat up another universes god of destruction (like Beerus told Vegeta he probably could be destroyer in another uni lol))

@TheSyconerd

Ай бұрын

I think also gohan was trying to pull a vegeta by hurting himself to near death for a genkai boost. Which ultimately stunted his growth as he doesnt have as much time to recover and get back up. In addition, the genkai boost staginate after a while

He was stronger than Vegeta, that's for sure.

Wahnsinn, was ein krasser run. Hat mega Spaß gemacht ihn zu schauen!

Well Future Gohan never got the 3 years head start warning that persent Gohan and never learn about the Time chamber Plus he had no one to train with till trunks was old enough

Damn didn't know Toriyama gave so much detail regarding ki with just those 3 terms. I still miss him

Man, I miss Puddleha- I mean Future Gohan.

I could imagine that once Gohan got to heaven and saw Goku, they had a little Tenzin and Aang moment, where Goku tells Gohan that "You should not be me, you are Gohan."

Also note that there is a far greater than zero chance that Trunk's statement about the Future Cyborgs being weaker is likely not true, as he never saw their full power and only got toyed with by them. Even if Gohan got to the level of power Vegeta did or even what Kakarot was at in the main timeline at the time he'd still get bodied .

The concept of the body, the spirit, and the mind being their own aspects of Ki is rad as hell. Too bad Toriyama never actually included it in the story

@BryceCampbell-mu2yn

3 ай бұрын

It literally is but okay

It’s because 1. No senzu beans so injuries had to be recovered the old fashioned way… vastly limiting zenkai boosts 2. As the strongest warrior left on earth he had no good training partners to actually push him 3. As he was also hiding from the androids, I can’t imagine he could really push his limits to their max in training without getting the attention of the androids. 4. It’s stated that true power is a combination of spirit, mind, and body. Gohan’s spirit at this point in time was relatively weak considering he’d lost everyone he ever knew

I’m sorry I will hear no Future Gohan slander today, the man was a hero and died as such

Future Gohan never traines for 3 years to prepare for the androids. Instead he had some time being a kid, then his father died. Then androids appeared and killed everyone. Then he never trained in the time chamber whose dangerous enviroment aids in training. He never taught hinself perfect control over super saiyan or did any other training suggested by Goku. Instead at the start of the android attack he was probably much weaker than he was at the end of Namek. This was boosted by super saiyan, then further boosted by his rage. Then he was probably depressed not helping him. He never controlled his rage. Then he had to train himself, and probably couldn't rely on zenkai boosts, because if he got injured enough to get a boost... he was probably going to get killed. He still became decently strong. But it makes perfect that he wasn't that strong.

I think two other big reasons are the androids and gohan’s loss of an arm. The future androids were a lot more ruthless and blood thirsty than the present ones and gohan losing his arm made him a lot weaker.

@yudhazacharias9377

3 ай бұрын

The writers forgot his zenkai boost out anger that knocked Nappa, 2nd form Frieza, and 3rd form Frieza

@Just_B0red

2 ай бұрын

Real reason is actually Cell. In present timeline Androids had to run away from Cell, in future they didn't

@yudhazacharias9377

2 ай бұрын

@@Just_B0red You couldn't be more wrong. Whatever the reason is, it's not because Cell was hunting them in the present timeline. Didn't you notice? They didn't know anything about Cell, and their demeanor's already different way before Cell spotted them with Piccolo during the battle against 17

Yeah, I'm so glad you brought up the spiritual aspect of Qi n what Toriyama said it was. Always fascinated me

The truth is that it's just straight up a massive plot hole. But because History of Trunks (the anime version at least) is narratively so good, and because Future Gohan is so badass in it, we give it a pass. Or I do at least. We can headcanon all we want, but there are so many reasons for Future Gohan to not be that weak that this is just the way it has to be for Future Trunks to have a story. Kind of similar to how the story had to essentially assassinate Bulma's character to make Trunks happen.

He was doing the same type of training,wich leaded him to only stay in shape but not get much stronger

i remember you made another Video on this 4 years ago also this is a bit more excusable in the anime since Anime Future Gohan is way stronger than than Future Gohan in the Manga.

Even present Gohan doesn't really train himself. He still used Piccolo as a teacher even when he was leagues above Piccolo he still needed him to train him. The closest thing to self training he did was with the Z sword but it was also under the Kai's and Goku's supervision.

@deckzone3000

Ай бұрын

Doesn't need to train anymore. Once old Kai unlocked his power he was maxed out.

@skullviolater8835

Ай бұрын

@@deckzone3000 except when he got weaker from not training and then got stronger after training.

As a girl at his age when first watching all of DBZ here.. I would wager that a lot of us lived in homes where we was abused & bullied.. and what Toriyama did subconsciously was make us all feel one day we could evolve into fearless warriors like kid gohan did when emerging from the hyperbolic time chamber, So I feel this is why a lot of adults now see him as such a disappointment when he could have become far more powerful than Goku still with that good heart.

The gohan we all knew as kids died in both of the timelines

Ive always thought since had No one to bounce his ideas off of or train with so he probably didnt know or couldn't reach higher stages of potential with SSJ, i imagine he couldn't recover well enough to get good Zenkai Boosts, and the fact that the androids don't play fair. We also know S-Cells are easier to people living happier lives right?

@jeremiahrodriguez9866

3 ай бұрын

Not necessarily happy lives but good hearted saiyans have more S-Cells I think

His only training experience after the death of piccolo was getting his ass handed to him by the androids for years i'm impressed that he managed to train Trunks at all. And now that i mention him you can see the contrast of an experienced fighter against someone that fights to survive, when Vegeta decided to train his son Trunks he managed to defeat the Androids as if they were nothing.

On top of that he didn’t achieved the super saiyan 2 form like teen gohan did, if he had ssj2 he would’ve beat android 17 and 18 without any struggle…

That's might align with how It was able to transfer to Beast. Besides the boost of awakening his full Potential. 🤔

This boudakai 2 music hitting my nostalgia

There’s also the possibility that he was essentially a sparring partner for the Androids themselves, considering that they can compete with Super Saiyan Gods by the time Super rolled around they were likely getting stronger each time they fought Gohan

I also would say that Gohan being in survival mode for that long probably made him weaker, too. For one, he probably couldn’t eat right, and his stress levels were likely through the roof. He was also constantly pushing himself to save people. Part of his huge boost in power in the Cell Saga was being able to just take time out and train without a lot of stress, with plenty of food, and obviously with Goku pushing him knowing how to unlock his potential properly. He also just had no one better than him to aspire to, and having his ass beat by the androids probably didn’t give him much gain (and perhaps hindered him by giving him chronic injuries) since zenkai boost returns seemed to lessen to the point they were negligible after Super Saiyan tier power levels were achieved.

"Maybe being a scholar wasnt the worst that could happen to him" *Shows Gohan laid out in a puddle* 😂😭

The androids are on a hunt and Gohan doesn't want to give up his hide out so he can't truly go all out on training.

He also didn't train in the Time Chamber. Which brought him to SSJ 2 level. The first one to do it.

The way he put a collage of him on the ground lying down dead with open eyes is fucked effed up lmao

Future Goku could've prevented this by calling him up on his handy King Kai phone and saying "Oh, by the way, you can get a year's worth of training in the year. Go ahead and take Trunks in with you, love ya son"

remember, when goku died in their world it was around the same time or after (need to look back into that) that the androids attacked BUT they never trained for it because they didnt know they were comming

The side by side image at the end 💀

I don't remember how old Future Gohan was but by the looks of it he was either at or above the age of "current" Gohan during the Buu Saga. That would mean he also never had the benefit of having his full potential unlocked by Old Kai by the time he reached that age.

I think it is that all at once he became the strongest one within his circle. There was nobody to show him the right path through training obstacles that some of the others had already navigated, and he also had nobody strong to spar with to develop himself

Meanwhile King Kai in otherworld is washing his car while his best student’s son is taking constant L’s……AYO THE KAI’S AINT 💩!! ALL OF EM!!

I think all the experiences and build up in character progression had everyone pumped for Gohan. Now he's a sayain nerd...

During the cell saga vegata makes a comment about goku and gohan go right back to training but goku tells him to much training without time to rest can prevent you from getting stronger so maybe gohan wasnt letting his body rest long enough

I mainly thought it was the hypothetic time changer. Because if I’m not wrong, they lose it very early in the alternate timeline. so he didn’t have the same conditions nor the same teachers&time

U need full videos to my good sir