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@MVPA-io5ee

3 жыл бұрын

Done watching ☺️ great work brother 👍

@ibrahimkamityoutube

2 жыл бұрын

@@MVPA-io5ee thank you so much! really appreciate it

@kellycusick547

2 жыл бұрын

Just watched this and both parts of the Kardashians. Incredible work. You are very thorough and wicked smart. Def love the channel, great job!

@hillarysudeikis2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.

@madelaineseguin1490

Жыл бұрын

Great content!!! And there must be many more of yt videos out there bringing the same concerns!. Have you heard about Jax? You must have. Victoria's Secret is a yt song.

You know a women’s lingerie company is toxic when an old man is in control of it.

@lorloretta_

3 жыл бұрын

preach

@bleepbloop7039

3 жыл бұрын

this statement is both ageist and sexist

@-unsigned2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@bleepbloop7039 They’re all hating on the old guy because of his gender. It really has nothing to do with anything. Beauty companies create artificial problems and sell solutions. It’s just how they function. Our culture creates a market, and someone will provide for it.

@bleepbloop7039

3 жыл бұрын

@Nikki sunsetss i dont get it, its a free country, make your own company or support a company that endorses the standards you believe are approrpiate

@doedelbroesel3239

3 жыл бұрын

Les Wexner owns the brand, he is not a designer or creative director. He is the financiator. He paid people to do the job.

victoria’s secret model: “we train like athletes” men on the internet: “be more like her!” victoria’s secret: brings on an actual athlete men on the internet: “ew gross!”

@AmetafJohora

3 жыл бұрын

Astute point

@valart3946

3 жыл бұрын

such irony if a victoria secret model does football she will have broken bones

@Sonmmmxuan

3 жыл бұрын

@@valart3946 how do you know? Elsa Hosk is basketball player, Adriana also does boxing, they are just equally physical demanding sports and they are doing just fine

@valart3946

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sonmmmxuan sorry bout that i comment without research

@corndog3052

3 жыл бұрын

God i fucking hate men

"92 hips, do you work out?" Who's gonna tell her that hip size is in itself a result of genetics and bone structure, not fat? As thin as the model was in the clip, I think there's no fat left to lose around that area and losing more weight would be unhealthy for her... I have 101cm hips and 69cm waist and am considered slim, it's just my bone structure!

@kensigregory361

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Not to mention the size of the hips are impacted by child carrying too, so pregnancy impacts them too.

@fran791

2 жыл бұрын

Lol any woman taller than 165cm (5 ft 5) of course is going to have hips of at least 90 cms due to her bone structure. That's just women's anatomy.

@ailinpolicano7464

2 жыл бұрын

In the modelling world the maximum of your hips it’s supposed to be 90 cm. Crazy right?

@andi01452

2 жыл бұрын

@@ailinpolicano7464 Yes it's very sad and damaging since the industry expects you to be around 1.75cm in height most of the time but if so you need a narrow and slender body type/bone structure when thinking abt hip size. Not everyone in that height have that and they can't control what's going on naturally in their bodies!

@fran791

2 жыл бұрын

@@andi01452 I think the main problem is that instead of telling the models that they just don't have the right measurements and the right body type, they push them to force them selves into the measurements. That's why they starve

One thing that bothers me is that, in order to praise the inclusive approach, people are all too quick to blame & shame the original models themselves. Or even go far enough to make fun of them. Those girls were overworked and abused, it’s not their fault the unfair beauty standards existed.

@lbec9487

Жыл бұрын

And groomed from a young age to accept the abuse-most models start modeling as young teenagers

“And then I had puberty and I was no longer a teenager anymore, my body wasn't stick skinny anymore” almost like our female beauty standard is based upon a pre-puberal girl's body 👀

@silentstormshadow2755

3 жыл бұрын

That part sent shivers down my spine, because it implies that the standard of beauty of women is to not be a woman but a girl (child) which is..... ugh

@blizzy4023

3 жыл бұрын

Cool. But please let's not put down teen girls and adults who just so happen to be "stick skinny" too. We should be appreciate all bodies without having to put others down.

@semolinalibra

3 жыл бұрын

@@silentstormshadow2755 and the hairless body thing too. When are we actually hairless naturally? Yup when we were children

@wtmfr

3 жыл бұрын

@@blizzy4023 Literally nobody here did that….

@starr2870

3 жыл бұрын

the fact half of the standards of women is just basically describing a whole child..... concerning

Men make fun of women while they look like THAT 😭

@namulemesumayyah2367

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually always like that, the Audacity 😆

@mariichyuu

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. They bring I support Jeffrey Epstein vibes

@meowsquarade

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAOOOO

@Acuriouscase77

3 жыл бұрын

they look like they never shower 🤢✋🏼

@taekooktrash9607

3 жыл бұрын

@@Acuriouscase77 😭✋pLEASEEEEE

Once I bought a VS perfume while at an airport before a flight. I'm standing in line with my bag waiting to board my plane and a few men in line were giving me looks that made me so uncomfortable. I was pretty young and flying by myself, I didn't think much about the bag I was holding but clearly it makes some men very imaginative, and creepy.

@neta4768

2 жыл бұрын

I remember being in victoria secret's stores many times at the airport and they are were so beautiful but no men were there but I def believe you they think it's weird when they are the ones buying it as well

@study-corner

Жыл бұрын

Wth srsly? You think that men are disgusting and creepy like that? You women nowadays think that you don’t need men, that you’re better than them, but the truth is that you would be nothing without men. Men do all the dirty jobs and work in our society, while women complain about stupid little meaningless things. Seriously, humble urselves.

@lopsidedteacup2004

Жыл бұрын

And then everyone clapped

@Heycatchy

Жыл бұрын

@@lopsidedteacup2004 basically haha

@sashimi0894

Жыл бұрын

i remember getting stares when I bought some sports bras from VS too......gosh that makes me angry thinking back now. its like some trash males think just cause you have VS bag that invites stares. Well props to other guys who ignored completely / didnt stare

The biggest issue that I have with "woke" Victoria's Secret is that it is an easy way to mask all the other issues the company on a global scale. Have they done anything to address the working conditions of the people in their factories? What about pay a living wage? What about the environmental impacts of the materials used to make the products? They are one of several brands known to have used prison labor. Clearly it is still about profits over people. Until these changes are made, it's a hard pass for me.

@anerrorhasoccurred8727

Жыл бұрын

This. It’s a disingenuous, Western-centric, pure marketing move. Plus the industry is so toxic that you can guarantee the models are still poorly treated, just probably in different ways 💀

@ABB14-11

Жыл бұрын

Yoooo these are the real questions.

You know something is seriously wrong in the modelling industry when Kate Upton is considered plus size. She's literally slim.

@friedchicken4735

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call her slim. Kate is average size but in the west since obesity is a widespread issue so many plus size category include women who are actually clinically obese/overweight along with the Kate's of the world. In the east Kate would be considered fat even though she isnt. The industry's way of categorizing women from slim to plus size is messed up.

@Wakeupgrandowl

3 жыл бұрын

I know, she is slim. This is generally what a woman's body naturally veers towards. The amount of fat on her body is basically exactly what should be there for ideal function (large busts not necessarily included). Nevermind she actually works out a lot to ride that line between soft and athletic perfectly.

@oatfibre

3 жыл бұрын

She’s slim, but not high fashion slim

@dominiquepocopio777

2 жыл бұрын

@@oatfibre exactly

@Orangecatenergy

2 жыл бұрын

She just doesn't have a tiny waist but she's pretty skinny

If Ed told me to lose weight I would tell him let's do it together.

@nerdgeekcosplay909

3 жыл бұрын

I’d tell “ I’m 5 pounds away from becoming underweight “

@bubeudeh

3 жыл бұрын

I LOVE THIS

@elsiepselma8202

3 жыл бұрын

Period 🤣🤣

@hiwelcometochillis2579

3 жыл бұрын

All jokes aside that's like if firefighters will try turn off a fire with alcohol...( You're feeding the fire) Is better to say that's not professional to talk etc

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment

I remember being younger and seeing the victorias secret fashion shows and wanting to be up there, so I looked for the measurements and was really happy because I fit the standard. I was a severely underweight 11 year old.

@Widdekuu91

2 жыл бұрын

I was a very underweight 16 year old when I worked in a store and wasn't allowed to use the escalator and the elevator. It was like a massive non-stop workout and I lost 15 kilo's that year. I was already skinny, so I was really, really underweight and had my hipbones chafing against my jeans, causing burningwounds and my ribs would poke out of my shirt. And I was nowhere near the size of the mannequins I was carrying around. They were a size 32 whereas I had a size 36. Not to mention they had a massive C cup and I didn't, they had an extra 10-20 cm's in height and a waist that was as thick as my neck.

@joannepranata9405

Жыл бұрын

w-ow.. im speechless..

@burpie3258

Жыл бұрын

@@Widdekuu91 Bruh...

@Widdekuu91

Жыл бұрын

@@burpie3258 To answer in you language; Whuh..t?

@burpie3258

Жыл бұрын

@@Widdekuu91 By "Bruh...", I basically meant that I was shocked and disappointed by your comment. A disheartening observation you made about those mannequins.

Am I the only one who is disturbed by the fact that it's so "normal" for even the most unattractive guys to criticize women for not being what they think is beautiful? Why is it okay to have this double standard?

@kimjunjae

Жыл бұрын

The standards for men and women are different. On the other side, men get pressurised to earn well, be physically strong, fearless and successfull. You just have to accept that men and women are different, that is what makes them complementary.

@snowfalls5641

Жыл бұрын

Naah...I don't do double standards...even if a man is ugly I call him ugly too

@kimjunjae

Жыл бұрын

@@snowfalls5641 Nobody said the opposite tho, you can call him ugly, that just doesn't change the fact that the criterias are different for men and women

@MsMinoula

Жыл бұрын

@@kimjunjae Wow! I didn't realize you have internet in the 50s, good for you.

@kimjunjae

Жыл бұрын

@@MsMinoula I'm also suprised that you guys have wifi in caves ! Good on you, you can discover society slowly at your pace now !

i'm so glad this is talked about by a boy, if a girl did this kind of video everyone would be like 'yeah you're just jealous they have nice bodies and u dont'

@kylabrus4383

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr true

@MaryLopez-pd5bd

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's what the degenerate always say. That's how they get out of the moment. No matter what its about, they always say their just jelouse. No some people still have morals and common sense

@sappph9363

3 жыл бұрын

meh people always find ways to complain. If it was by a boy they'll probably call them a simp for respecting people.

@lacil8895

3 жыл бұрын

Fkn thank you

@mxd-1990asn

3 жыл бұрын

Depends i guess, if the giel would have a similar body as them ( and i mean those women who are naturally just skinny, since some people have too high metabolism and therefore mainly stay skinny theyr whole life, and that with eating enough or even a LOT of food ,which is the case for me ,where peopel who have much more weight on the asking me *ppl who see that i eat a LOT of food* how i can eat that much without gainig any weight.... so assuming *and i only say this ingeneral ,its not towards you* someone ''ONLY'' doesnt eat enough or has some illness, that just ISNT always the case for everyone who is skinny ) anyhow... i think it depends on how the girl looks like, and i think even if it was agirl who is also skinny, people could still say youre just jelaous, cause body is not everything people look at, she simply has to have a ''ugly'' face *in some peoples opinion* only , and that would already be enough for some people to say youre just jelaous...

You can tell how messed up a brand might be if you just listen about the people who started it 🙂

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

spot on!

@sheluvssmokedupeyes1

3 жыл бұрын

Let me explain this why do you think Coco Chanel created her business because she decided and took upon herself that more men were deciding what women should wear and how they should dress and that’s why she started her business the same guy did the same thing with Victoria’s Secret so when a woman does it it’s different but when a man does it it’s something different like come on

@emilybradford4181

3 жыл бұрын

Coco Chanel makes runway clothes, classic styles, and bags. Victoria secret makes lingerie for the average women, but their runway models are purposely far from average and they always try to sell you a push-up bra when you go in. It makes you wonder what got a man interested in women’s underwear and if he really knows what it’s like to wear it. If his bras were great no one would be opposed to him making them, but problems keep coming up that make people wonder if his sexism and greed is what’s ruining his brand. There’s not as many problems with coco Chanel so no ones really questioning her ethics

@evaavanesian31

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilybradford4181 Coco Chanel was a literal nazi apologist (perhaps even a nazi agent). There are definitely problems with a lot more brands but most people just pick and choose whichever they feel like calling out. Furthermore even though they charge so much for their garments the workers continue to work in horrid conditions whilst also using animal testing. Just saying

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

@@evaavanesian31 She actually was a Nazi agent who took a Nazi lover during WW2 and worked with the Nazi regime to ensure the success of her brand. I'm surprised nobody bothered to cancel Chanel.

These men are always getting in the way of our happiness it seems. Same with abortion, ridiculing any movie with a strong female lead, memeing and ridiculing things that teenage girls are into, hating victims of rape and abuse coming out, so much more. Always stopping us from enjoying things equally, and yet saying femenism isnt needed.

@pircjkrgko7869

2 жыл бұрын

Fr I mean I cant believe they were that confidant and comfortable making fun of how that soccer player looks like....it's insane

@lalalanddddd7584

2 жыл бұрын

Girl dont be such a hypocrite, woman do the same thing all the time. You say you want equality yet your acting like a brat because it happens to woman and men gosh

@samf.s.7731

2 жыл бұрын

It's because they're bitter, because they feel insignificant. Their entire schtick is to make other people feel worse than how they feel about themselves. They literally bully girls. Imagine their balls' size, seems pretty small to me.

@arikalamari19

Жыл бұрын

couldn‘t have said it clearer myself it‘s globally true for girls today as everyone gets creepy dms and fake news

@Alexis_005

Жыл бұрын

That’s because their egos are more fragile than their 🏀 🏀. They can’t stand to see women doing better than them so they want to keep us down.

The more I see about the modelling industry, the more I don’t ever want my kids joining it. It just looks like a cesspit of predators, abuse and exploitation.

@ninalempicka2948

Жыл бұрын

it is

I find it quite rich that the people that run these modelling business and criticise the model's measurements look like they've enjoyed way too many McDonald's meals

@ijustthrewouttheloveofmydreams

2 жыл бұрын

So true 😂 they’ve had way to many greasy fries and Big Macs to be judging people when they look like that

@Scrapegoat

2 жыл бұрын

Omg yer like so fatphobic! Being 350lbs is beautiful, ok? We need people 2B woke so I can keep stuffing my face with the products of child slavery and still find a giant bra for 2 of my 6 teats.

@di3486

2 жыл бұрын

VS is the angels. Without them, the brand doesn’t exist

@user-oe2ov7du8l

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly lol I was just saying this to myself they have the NERVE!

@Leney735

2 жыл бұрын

😂

Wow. The founder didn't even care about providing breathable, more comfortable lingerie for women. He just cared about making it more comfortable and catering it for men as if they wear bras 💀

@katerinaberhami3770

3 жыл бұрын

It’s like that creepy guy in the video said about VS … lingerie is designed to come off and be on the floor not stay on the women’s body

@bloopbleepblop176

3 жыл бұрын

@@katerinaberhami3770 So fucking objectifying 🤢

@katerinaberhami3770

3 жыл бұрын

@@bloopbleepblop176 I know right! 🤢

@s_fashionlover

3 жыл бұрын

Let’s not slander the founder (who later committed suicide after selling the company & watched it boom without him). He left the company way before it came super mainstream. His backstory is that he wanted to buy lingerie for his WIFE but felt awkward in traditional lingerie stores at the time since it was the 70s. The OG vs was made as a boudoir experience for couples and old photos and catalogs look quite romantic.

@s_fashionlover

3 жыл бұрын

@@katerinaberhami3770 dude the original founder committed suicide and was not a part of the company for decades. Let’s not slander him! He founded VS because he wanted to buy his wife lingerie but most lingerie stores in the 70s would make husbands feel awkward for shopping for bras for their wives.

So shopping for lingerie for his wife made him feel pervy, but creating a lingerie line & store didn’t? If he’s going to make an excuse he should make it a good one

@espeon871

2 жыл бұрын

I think he just wanted a male catered lingerie line which is um weird ass hell

@ramflight

Жыл бұрын

How is creating a lingerie line & store pervy? It's just business. If I decide to open a lingerie shop for men, would I be the perv then?

@Weirdflex4496

Жыл бұрын

@@ramflight facts, they're mad that men r buying their women lingerie yet if men stop buying their women gifts they find it offensive and dumb them

@baddieMario77

Жыл бұрын

@@Weirdflex4496 no one would find it offensive if men stopped buying lingerie for women. We dont rely on guys to provide us with things. Gifts are for birthdays, christmas, and milestone anniversaries maybe and i literally couldnt name one girl i know who expects more than that. If someone wants to give gifts more often than that then thats totally fine but idk what time period you think we’re living in where guys have to buy presents to keep their girlfriends happy

@nicolette610

Жыл бұрын

@@Weirdflex4496 you do know women can buy their own lingerie and some women actually like gifts like flowers and candles not something just for sexual purposes

I remember being 21 and literally tailoring all of my beauty regimens to look like a victoria secret model. I was already a skinny white girl with some curves so I just went with it. And that felt like the epitome of beauty for me. Guys gawked at me when I stepped into a bar the same way they gawked at VS models & that meant you were the most "worthy" of all the women....bc you were the most desired but also the most untouchable. I developed an entire identity around being THAT woman. Did it feel good? Yes but it got me into toxic relationships with narcissistic & violent men that only wanted to own me. I experienced the very dark side of being one of the most wanted women. And I made the mistake of confusing that with being loved which couldnt have been further from the truth. It actually makes ppl SEE you less and cause alot of traumatic sexual experiences.

@x77punk77x

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly very true; and I think too many men actually believe that all “sexy” women actually want to be treated like abused & degraded p*rn actresses / victims more than ever, which compounds the damage & danger. 💔

@tambresmith7095

Жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry you went through that.

@SaraH-jn5db

Жыл бұрын

Not very humble bragging

@SG-jy7em

Жыл бұрын

So truee!!

@hadnoideahow

Жыл бұрын

@@SaraH-jn5db She wasn't bragging. How else is she supposed to describe what happened?

Men getting demonstrably upset that a women's lingerie company is changing their marketing style is ridiculous.

@fromthevault2652

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't heard any men I know say shit about victorias secret ever, men don't give a fuck there is the hub. 🤔

@BunnyDreamer

3 жыл бұрын

I got upset when they changed pokemon too so it’s understandable. If you love something you dont want it to change. Doesnt make it ok to be mean to people about it but I understand the thought process. Im a woman and i dont like them changing it because i like the way the brand is and theres plenty of new “inclusive” brands so it’s unnecessary to change others. If i want a chocolate cake i expect a chocolate cake not vanilla cake ya know? Lol.

@Man-dd9fs

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I understand the thought process but brands need to adapt if they want to last

@killingmesoftlywiththeirsong

3 жыл бұрын

@@BunnyDreamer making the option of a vanilla cake available too doesn't mean that you can't buy your choco cake ya know?

@valarmorghulis5575

3 жыл бұрын

I just don’t get why woke people rain on everyone’s parade. There are plenty of brands to choose from like fenti. Why change the models?

Let’s not forget to mention that in the year 2000 Victoria’s Secret show, model Danita Angell was FOURTEEN modeling lingerie for the show! Ed Razek is disgusting

@thegracklepeck

2 жыл бұрын

Ew. That's completely inappropriate.

@katiaaskildt7830

2 жыл бұрын

Um wtf not okay

@sylviawilson8159

2 жыл бұрын

We're they forced to model or they chose to?

@bocasgrande6310

2 жыл бұрын

@@sylviawilson8159 I’m not sure! I’m assuming she chose! But either why would you let a 14 year old model something like that?

@stella.201

2 жыл бұрын

@@bocasgrande6310 they probably wanted super young girls to look up to her, just like how adult women look up to the adult vs models

Previous VS models: it's nearly impossible to look like this, a lot of us have BDD, contributed to young girls having ED issues People in the comments after the rebrand: now you're promoting something unhealthy!

You’re amazing. Honestly, if my grandma had watched a Victoria’s Secret show, she would have wanted to feed all that poor starving girls with a good stew. Not only starved, also dehydrated.

the fact that the business was started by a MAN to make women look the way HE wants, yikes. Edit: theres nothing wrong with being a male fashion designer obviously but I was trying to point out that this wasn't a male fashion designer making clothes with women in mind. It was a man wanting women to look sexy on his terms (i.e. skinny, white, cis)

@Isary96

3 жыл бұрын

sick..

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

exactly...

@OM-cw7xh

3 жыл бұрын

notice how also 2 MEN started brandy Melville, a store that only caters to size 0…

@catarina81

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of fashion brands with male fashion designers are like that, Jacquemus is one of them.

@Poptart21298

3 жыл бұрын

There's nothing wrong with that

I like that even a brand that makes clothes for women was created TO MAKE MEN MORE COMFORTABLE

@wtmfr

3 жыл бұрын

It is terrible bullshit…

@kachitax

3 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with that? didn’t you hear the video? 99% of the costumers are women 🤦🏻‍♀️.

@lesedingwetjana3239

3 жыл бұрын

I was literally like, "Ma'am, what?"

@tfeya777

3 жыл бұрын

So what? A man saw a problem, had an idea, made that idea reality, and with a few tweaks it became women’s favorite place to shop. You see a problem? Come up with a solution like that man did, open your own business and see if it will fly. No one is stopping you.

@et5895

3 жыл бұрын

@@tfeya777 "womens favorite place to shop"😂😂😂

As a bisexual woman: I like women more than the straightest man. I just look at a woman and think she's beautiful. Whereas so many men are squeemish and say hurtful things about actua beautiful human bodies that have souls. It's not okay. Those comments that men made putting women down when they know damn well what the other models went through for their pleasure. As if eye candy for men matters. We've all been brainwashed to think a certain body is best when dammit, look at Rhianna.

@thepinkestpigglet7529

Жыл бұрын

You just said you like women because they're beautiful but hate men because of their personalities. That's kinda objectifying women.

@milfs9862

Жыл бұрын

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 and also generalizing both genders, yikes

@myaisheree

Жыл бұрын

@@milfs9862 it's her experience, don't invalidate her

@abor1males

9 ай бұрын

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 No one cares women are better looking then men cry about it

My boyfriend would say things like, I’ll give you money and you go buy yourself lingerie to surprise me. Made me feel super cheap like I was some kind of clown that had to perform for him. We never demand or suggest such thing from them. Society has really screwed women up in every kind of way. They want women to be sexual but only on a man’s command.

@MikasaeaAaah_Aahkercmoan

Жыл бұрын

He just want to be happy with you

@RED-my9hl

10 ай бұрын

@@MikasaeaAaah_Aahkercmoan bye not this siilly billy absolute gooseberry ass comment

The business model was and still is doomed. It's a men's store for women's needs that men think women should need instead of what we really do need. Never-ending tail chase...

@TheStepmonkey

3 жыл бұрын

IDK why people are complaining about VS models being perfect, thin and beautiful, i mean, they're supposed to look like that because they're selling lingerie. Each profession has their own kind of people and we should all respect that.

@nami-qf6qh

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheStepmonkey id rather see more body types so i can see how it may look on mine. Why would i want to see a girl who's measurements are a whole 10+ less than mine. Not saying i want to get rid of the thinner models but its better to have a wider size range of models.

@TheStepmonkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@meixuanler3535 Well i don’t agree. If that “perfect beauty standard” damages ur self esteem then that’s ur own mental problem. Most of us actually don’t care about superficial things like that 🤷‍♀️ Your mentality is that if YOU are ugly then all models should be ugly too so you can feel better about yourself. That’s so wrong.

@charlejjj

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheStepmonkey You think you disagree, but you actually just don't understand. Think a little bit further than your own perception

@LaFlor718

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheStepmonkey I actually agree with you. I am short with healthy curves and tall slender women do not trigger me. I don’t feel the need to “see myself” in everyone on the planet. The same way that doesn’t stop me from shopping is the same way that a lot of SavagexFenty models are so much bigger than me and I still shop their too. It’s just not that serious.

It’s too little too late for Victoria’s Secret. Now there are so many other brands that are inclusive and ethically made. They were too late to jump on the bandwagon and when they ragged on plus size and overweight people it really ruined them

@thatbee3585

3 жыл бұрын

I Agree.

@albacorona2472

3 жыл бұрын

I'd rather purchase from adore me

@welliminitnowso

2 жыл бұрын

Very late ! Close curtains … go quickly and quietly 🤐in the night

@foreveryoung2

2 жыл бұрын

angels have to be slim because how will they fly?

@fullfiguredgofiguremwah9614

2 жыл бұрын

We got the same name 😁

I literally remember why I stopped watching the Victoria Secret shows. It was because they fired Barbara Palvin cause she was too “fat”, even though she looked better then the rest of the models. It mad me so mad!

@moonlightprincess449

2 жыл бұрын

They did really? She wasn’t even fat

@________________6985

Жыл бұрын

They did not fire her. Walking the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show was not like a job where you get a contract and just show up every year. You have to “audition” for it every year and sometimes you get it sometimes you do not. You do not get fired. You can get blacklisted if you do something wrong (ie. Jessica Hart) but you do not get fired as you are not an employee of the company. Additionally they literally hired Barbara to be the “fat” one. If she had been blacklisted for any reason, her weight or size would not have been why, she would simply not have been selected during the auditions. She was supposed to represent the show becoming more inclusive. Viewers are the ones who were angry. Some because they thought she was too fat and others because they didn’t like that she was considered plus size when she was so obviously slim. She was going to walk in the show before it was cancelled. Additionally, the issue of her being “too fat” to walk a show is not just a VS problem, she is or was considered plus size by runway standards, where Victoria’s Secret did not book plus size models for their shows. She is only 5’9 (while this is the minimum for Victoria’s Secret Angels, they were often preferred 2.54 cm or 1 inch taller than that still) and her hips are VERY wide, of course she is absolutely gorgeous but this IS pushing the Victoria’s Secret image a bit. Models on the VSFS at a height of at least 180 cm or 5’10” to 183 cm or 6’0” were most preferred although exceptions did occur. Runway is considered more inclusive because there are shows that display petite models, plus size models, or supermodels but these are MULTIPLE shows targeting different audiences, across multiple days and in multiple locations. The VSFS was one show once a year. They SHOULD have been more inclusive but do not forget that for the established image of the angels it was not a very feasible move for the enterprise to become that much more inclusive all at once. If becoming more inclusive had actually been what they wanted, it would have taken quite a bit to respectfully challenge the established image of the angels without seeming like they were doing it just for profit. Evidently it is not what they wanted but that is a different conversation. Lily Rose Depp who is only about 160 cm or 5’3” is considered a petite model. Kate Moss who is about 170 or 5’7” is also considered a petite model. Although they are both pop culture icons and absolutely gorgeous, neither would have likely booked the VSFS. Despite their difference in height, they are both in the same modeling category because they are both under 175 cm or 5’9” inches and are both very slim. A plus size model will typically have BWH measurements above 89-63.5-89 cm or 35-25-35 inches. Barbara Palvin was not considered the typical Victoria’s Secret Angel because she just barely meets the height requirement for the typical runway model where, again, Victoria’s Secret Angels were often a bit taller than the standard, and her hips are almost 94 cm or 37 inches wide. I’m not saying Barbara IS fat but her label as a plus size model is not so much the fault of the Victoria’s Secret enterprise or the people in charge as it is because of the fashion industry. Finally, I agree she looked absolutely gorgeous but why are you bringing the other models down just to uplift her? They are all absolutely gorgeous, considered by some to be the most beautiful women in the world, and there is no need for you to say one looked better or worse. It is nobody’s responsibility to look better or worse than anybody else. She looked like an angel, just like the other girls.

The quality in VS products has definitely decreased throughout the years. I still have a few bras from the early 2000's that held up well while later purchases all had to be eventually tossed out.

What I personally don’t like about Victoria Secret is that one of the reasons people still praise these models because “they train like professional athletes.” As a junior competitive tennis player, that is seriously not the case. I can’t speak for every sport but I know professional athletes aren’t forced to starve themselves before a tournament, don’t have to fit specific measurements or anything like that. We keep goals on what to train on and nutrition, we just need to heavily monitor. It’s tough but if you love it enough, you will be motivated to do it most of the time. I definitely respect the work that is required to be a model but starving/e*ting d*sorders should never be respected or glamorized. They take the innocent lives of people every day.

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

you could have not said it any better, seriously!! so on point, thank you for sharing this

@kennyb1588

3 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree with you here there is a lot toxic beauty standards behind sports especially for Olympic athletes look at sports like Gymnastics or swimming Gymnastics specifically during the Marta and Bella k(C) aroliy (I don't remember how to spell it sorry) era they would literally starve those children and a lot of them developed really unhealthy relationships and habits with their bodies it's all very sad.

@VS-uh6rf

3 жыл бұрын

@@kennyb1588 Oh I agree, there are definitely athletes out there that struggle and are forced into eating disorders, I’m not denying that. What I am saying though is that the BEST coaches and training programs would never promote that stuff. Nike had this issue a couple years ago, by forcing their Junior athletes to be skinny and eat less but surely enough, those Junior athletes never rose to fruition. Personally for tennis, all of the best coaches never suggest calorie deficits and all of that. It is more of what you eat at a certain time to keep your energy up :) But I definitely agree with your point!

@cookieeees

3 жыл бұрын

@Leptune Cannet Lmao how pressed are you 💀? You're literally replying negatively to almost every comment on here.

@evasofia07

3 жыл бұрын

@Leptune Cannet if you don't care then why are you bothering to reply to every comment on this video?

Toxic men that are visually addicted to this need to understand that nobody cares about their opinion and their boisterous complaining looks infantile and repulsive. I'm not a mom, but every time I see these deprived dudes complain under a thin veil of "logic" I feel like I'm witnessing a child's tantrum.

@kaitlynlehman7414

3 жыл бұрын

Preach sister! i feel the same way despite the fact i'm not a mother myself (though i do have a younger sister)

@juannavia8702

3 жыл бұрын

Totally

@godlysense9065

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's disgusting

@bananikeeunike3988

3 жыл бұрын

i am with you

@Hey-kf5er

3 жыл бұрын

They think it’s “bitter fat women” who were mad about it when in reality it’s literally the models themselves saying it. Romee Stjrd literally said she didn’t have her period for 6 years because she had to be skinny for the modeling industry and VS. men really think the body ideal is a woman who can’t have a child because of how malnourished her body is and call it “logic”? That’s insane

I shopped VS for 20 plus years when the models went from curves (Tyra, Adraina, Stephanie) to looking like kids in g strings and creeping me out(my kids too when the picked up my new VS catalogs in the mail)...ugh...I stopped shopping there!

When I think about VS models my mind never goes to Kendal, Gigi or Bella. They came at the moment when this brand started to go downhill and they didn’t went through half of struggles that other models did. You gave them too much space in the video unnecessarily.

@katiee3975

2 жыл бұрын

I think Adriana Lima, alessandra ambrosio and Heidi Klum

i love how people said that their rebranding was going to “promote an unhealthy lifestyle” by having plus size models as if they weren’t promoting food restriction and over exercising to their angels a few years ago which gave many of them and girls who looked up to them eating disorders and body dysmorphia 😭

@shelbydelery813

3 жыл бұрын

FOR REAL GODDAM some people are SO limited in thinking.... like?!

@chalyndajackson9384

3 жыл бұрын

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss!

@dianalove539

3 жыл бұрын

You cant give someone body dysmorphia or eating disorders. please stop spreading this false narrative.

@ayodele5373

3 жыл бұрын

@@dianalove539 i said they promoted eating disorders and you can give someone body dysmorphia if you warp their body image to the point where they don’t know what their body looks like. telling someone their fat can influence a dysmorphic mindset which causes body dysmorphia.. so it is basically giving someone body dysmorphia…and people often develop BD because of others so it’s not really a false narrative, and you can also make people develop disordered eating habits, which can then develop into an ED from there.. and either way it still doesn’t mean that VS didnt promote disordered eating habits and make some models and fans dysmorphic.. many teen girls use VS models as thinspo and fuels their eds.. and many young girls develop eds whilst trying to look like these models so they are once again basically giving people EDs.. i didnt really think this needed to be explained lol

@ayodele5373

3 жыл бұрын

@@dianalove539 and 677 people seem to agree with my “false narrative” so.. and its can’t be as false of a narrative as you’re saying it is if it’s literally true… especially for the part where VS influences teen girls who look up to their models to develop disordered eating habits or EDs🤷🏾‍♀️

as long as u eat balanced and do some sort of excerise, however your body looks like, is beautiful.

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

I love this!! so well said. it's a shame some of us think we have to have a certain body look to feel beautiful!

@Neha-ue3uk

3 жыл бұрын

this!!!

@jojoey8699

3 жыл бұрын

people who just don’t want to/don’t like exercising exist… you gonna tell them they aren’t as beautiful as everyone else?

@katerinak7628

3 жыл бұрын

@@jojoey8699 never said tht ppl who keep up w their health r the only beautiful ones in the world.

@hajuuuuuuu

3 жыл бұрын

@@jojoey8699 is every body beautiful? Yes. But is every body healthy? No. They were just appreciating all body types as long as they're taken care of.

I think there is plenty of room in the marketplace for a brand like Victoria's Secret to compete with all other brands regardless of the size and shape of the models. We wear what we think is pretty or comfortable or what makes us feel sexy. People who think for themselves can look past the marketing strategies. 💜

Stumbled upon this video after receiving a present from my partner that was announced as 'pretty sexy lingerie' and turned out to be a s*x costume entirely made of stretchy bandages with a branded logo made of stick-on crystals, completely unwearable outside of the bedroom. My reaction intimidated him a lot, and I had to explain that feminine underwear that is both beautiful and wearable FOR ME has nothing to do with cliché s*xy outfits designed and created for the sake of a male eye, not for a female body to look and, most importantly, FEEL good in. The saddest part is, one might cancel the brand, but the damage is already done: this is the first thing that came to my partner's mind when he thought of beautiful underwear. And I'm sure this situation is very common.

@Alexis_005

Жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. You feel like you have to “perform” for them like a prank monkey. Yet we never demand such things from them, to wear ridiculous stuff for our entertainment. Saddest part is that a lot of women have been brainwashed to believe that is the norm.

@ChueshDash

Жыл бұрын

@@Alexis_005 Couldn't agree more. Meanwhile, an update: the bling-bling bandage thingy was returned and my partner got a set of semi-casual lacy underwear from the brand he knows I like. Cupless, wearable, absolutely in my taste - and also hot af. Constructive communication helps! I'm not saying HE changed his taste and preferences overnight - but definitely no more VS crap in this household.

@Cumulusly

Жыл бұрын

I feel as if I’d be the opposite, I totally understand your reaction. But if my bf bought me something that didn’t feel good, I’d still wear it for him. A relationship is 50/50 I buy him things he hates to wear (flowery outfits that match my clothing during holidays) and in turn I’d wear things that he likes. I wouldn’t make him return it, or alter his gift in any way. Also, he totally has messed up with bra sizes before and we just laugh it off, thankfully he’s more clued in now. 🤣

@ChueshDash

Жыл бұрын

@@Cumulusly I personally do not think anything should be worn by someone for me or by me for someone.

@MikasaeaAaah_Aahkercmoan

Жыл бұрын

@@ChueshDash what's wrong with that? You only wear that for some times

I want to mention the fact that VS's standards are so unrealistic that the models are harmed ! Romee Stridj talked on her yt channel about how she stopped getting her period because of working out so much and bc of her diet, for so many years, that she thought she'll never be pregnant and succeed in giving life (which she wanted). Luckily she made it and has a kid, but it's insane how VS expected their models to totally gove their body and life to create a toxic ideal of women's body.

@eniolaoyekanmi9461

2 жыл бұрын

It was created and is run by mennnnn

@heybitches9531

2 жыл бұрын

I seriously don't understand why people want to be like them. Like yes I do admit that they are absolutely beautiful but like seriously, fat is needed in your body in order for you to survive and live a healthy life. Unless if someone is born like that, there's literally no need to be skinny. In my opinion, having fat on the stomach and arms and just everywhere else is so much more beautiful then being so skinny. No skinny shaming but that's just not healthy.

@fran791

2 жыл бұрын

@@heybitches9531 the unhealthy things they did was training too hard and every day, so their bodies didn't really have any time to recover and just not eating properly with all the food groups

@FelixAnimationsiDude

2 жыл бұрын

I seriously feel bad for them… working out isn’t always healthy. Not like this! The hunger, the overworkout, the insecurities that woman can gain while working as a model there… or even the ones that’s watching all this and dreaming of having this body… And the most disgusting thing, is for men to judge all of those new changes, considering only one type of girl body as SEXY.

@marialeon6765

2 жыл бұрын

Athletic amenorrhea is not uncommon, so, don't sell the idea that footballers are healthier because they're not.

Victoria Secret was entrenched in that heroine chic aesthetic for so long, I don't see them escaping it. Especially now that they have to compete with brands that were ready and willing to represent women of all backgrounds. Sis, it's time to hang it up.

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAAHAHHAA "hang it up" 😭

@user-jy9rq8nj7q

3 жыл бұрын

their models have always been way too athletic for heroin chic smh.

@doedelbroesel3239

3 жыл бұрын

Heroine chic, pffhahaha, victoria secret? Gurl! Bye!

@letBIGGIErest

3 жыл бұрын

victoria's secret was never heroin chic. Heroine Chic was niche in high fashion, kate moss being the defining example. Victoria's Secret was too mainstream and their models were to pretty to be characterized as heroin chic. You would never see a VS angel with dark circles smoking cigs, because that's what heroin chic is. But they we're definitely pushing their models into unhealthy/unattainble beauty standards for the illusion of health, when it was all manufactured.

@threebananasforaeurom8970

3 жыл бұрын

@Artoria Pendragon well.. idk if your from america or not, but more than half of this country is overweight (now obviously i'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing bc of health complications, etc. on a side note, it's not your job to determine what's healthy or not as you're probably not a doctor.). skinny people aren't the majority in this country, but fat shaming people into being skinny clearly doesn't work (there's research to back this up..) ... and it doesn't need to work nor be that way. people have different bodies and that's just the truth, there's no point in shaming people, only showing one body type, not giving them representation (in fact it's actually harmful, as you can see from the video) why is it that the minority of women (by that I mean skinny people) are represented the most? the answer the male gaze and other things... regardless all bodies deserve representation whether their "unhealthy" or not.. and I know that typically this argument comes from plus sized people, but I'm a size 8 and 5'7. I'm not saying that all models should be skinny or plus sized either, I'm saying that all bodies deserve representation (even the ones in the middle of the two.) people in this country are already the things you said without encouragement, there's no point in not representing them. so yeah, you're comment is fatphobic.

i used to work for victoria’s secret for almost 10 years, it’s about time they had this rebranding. personally, i feel like it a step in the right direction but somehow still feels like it’s for marketing purposes.

As a petite, skinny woman. It’s hard to find bras that make me feel sexy or like I have curves. Victoria Secret does that for me. I’ve seen heavier set women where their bras as well

@alexisrobinson9180

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@LB-ih7hn

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, buy what you feel comfortable with. I get that there is controversy around some of these businesses, but we have to buy our lingerie somewhere, so in that respect the most important voice is your own. As consumers, we can listen to other people and take caution, but ultimately if Victoria Secret lingerie is best for you, then I guess the question is does it make sense to you to look elsewhere 🤷‍♀️

@surfdreamer918

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@jennifermiller6777

2 жыл бұрын

You’re not in a position to tell what normal and bigger sized women wear lol I know very few women above a 40D who can wear any of their bras and they actually fit.

@briemason9169

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I'm a 34AA and its impossible to find sexy bras that small of a size

im just confused as to why they don’t brand the new faces of VS in the same, glamorous ways they portrayed the angels. like they’re still women who deserve to feel sexy, glam and beautiful.

@stefanmakara373

3 жыл бұрын

Because their penises do not get hard seeing something not skinny, so they do not understand that OTHER people could like it and see it is beautiful.

@brandi5200

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it either, by removing angels, it implies that only white, size 0 women can be angels or fit that heavenly aesthetic

@average_amanda3884

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanmakara373 It's sad that they can't just combine the 2 ideas. I know lots of men that are attracted to all types and sizes of women, and women like being sexy too.

@ArlandaKunio

2 жыл бұрын

because they dont have money for it i guess lol, their business is declining

@copperharris2368

2 жыл бұрын

fat women would jiggle walking down the runway lmao

I’m an Aussie, and never have, never will be ‘small’ enough to fit into their clothes. Women’s bodies aren’t for the male gaze. Lingerie is great and all, but we wanna be comfortable. Men don’t get to tell us what to wear to ‘appeal’ to them. 👏🏻

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

thank you for your comment!! love what you have to say

@charlotte-adams

3 жыл бұрын

yesss, women’s bodies aren’t for the male gaze, they’re for keeping them alive and bearing children

@charlotte-adams

3 жыл бұрын

@Norman I’m not saying that, but women’s bodies scientifically are designed to bear children, but ofc you don’t have to bear children if you don’t want to

@missribbon

3 жыл бұрын

THIS. This move by VS is waaaaaay too little too late. there’s an element of objectification of trans & ‘plus’ size women (I mean really, ‘plus’ to these guys can’t be anything higher than a US 6 right?) just for trying to show how woke they are. I really hope they are paying these new ‘spokespeople’ a shit tonne of cash because I feel like the way they are gonna have to compromise their reputations by sharing print/web/social media space with this brand better be worth it

@user-yx4zy3wd4e

3 жыл бұрын

At least Victoria's Secret's perfume is just

1 year later they’ve had to cut over 140 employees and their stock is down over 50% Yup Victoria’s Secret seems to be doing amazing! 😝

I love how “Ed” is talking about beauty. Let’s see “Ed” in a Speedo walking the catwalk next to the likes of Jason Mombo and Adrian Williams (Peloton).

I think the only way this rebranding would work would be if there were new people behind it, like if another person/company had bought them. Because it's very hard to believe that the same people who are still in charge have completely changed their views overnight. That makes their new marketing ring hollow for me.

@evelynbaron8357

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Hobiemyhubby

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, one of the reason why the rebranding upsets me is this is so force woke and women would fall for it🤦🏻‍♀️

@lilygirllisa

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Hobiemyhubby The only woman "falling" for the rebranding didn't really care about it in the first place

@Megan-sr4du

3 жыл бұрын

So true!!

@patibrito8557

3 жыл бұрын

exactly what I think about it.

They are just outdated. Women don't care about this whatever fantasy bs, they just want to look good in a garment and feel comfortable. Most of us nowdays shop mainly online. I would never buy something that a VS model is modeling on a website, cause it gives me no idea how it would look on me, even though i'm size s

@SexyTCAPdecoy4Hansen

3 жыл бұрын

YES GREAT POINT!!!

@dianaa8125

3 жыл бұрын

yeah exactly i love how some brands now include the models height and size so I can guess my size

@deborah8056

3 жыл бұрын

It’s also about the change in beauty standard women now want to look like the Kardashians not a VS angel due to the popularity of hip hop. That’s because black culture glorifies bigger women.

@noel2223

3 жыл бұрын

I also feel like when SavageXFenty came out they really took over for anyone who used to shop at VS. They still have the sexy lingerie but they had so many different types of models that they were so much less intimidating.

@didizur

3 жыл бұрын

@@noel2223 You are right, they managed to combine luxury and sex appeal with being inclusive and modern, so it left VS no chance

Tyra Banks said she made the decision to be an underwear model over other modeling because she didn’t want to lose anymore weight. Underwear models tend to have more weight on the bust and hips because they’re wearing undies. With Victoria’s Secret models, the Angels actually had muscle definition, while other models had that “skinny fat,” flabby look which happens when you starve yourself as your body will lose muscle before it loses fat.

What caused the decline of Victoria secret was that their quality declined tremendously! The wire in the bra would come out and they wouldn’t take returns if it was over the return period.

Shopping online lately, I've seen that some popular brands are featuring older models, I'm seeing stretch marks, I'm seeing folds, a little or a lot of pooch here and there and it might seem inconsequential but it feels good. These features exist, these ppl exist so why erase them. Edit: no, we don't want them to get rid of slim women with 8 packs and smooth skin because slim women exist too.

@vcat724

3 жыл бұрын

oddly enough, it makes me not want to buy them

@joylastname3035

3 жыл бұрын

@@vcat724 good for you! Here's your cookie 🍪.

@richardmangelmann4975

3 жыл бұрын

I do like that, especially that older women are featured. I always feel like men can be sexy till 60 but women are expected to have no wrinkles at all till that age

Men see like 1% of cellulite in a woman's body and be like: "Gross dude, hit the gym". Or each time they see a paparazzi picture of a celeb and you can see their bodies without any photoshop or professional lighting and comment "Omg stop promoting obesity" DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE DEFINITION OF OBESITY??? Their reactions to the change are honestly frightening.

@laur83

3 жыл бұрын

i’m so deeply offended by people’s reactions to the rebranding, rather than the rebranding itself. i don’t support the company, but this is at least a positive step.

@BlueberryCheesecake8

3 жыл бұрын

@@laur83 it's funny how they didn't care when it was Rihanna's brand, oh but mess with the eye candy that VS Angels represent to them and THEN they care about modeling and fashion and feel like they can decide who's a model and who can't be.

@lizzydelrey9956

2 жыл бұрын

that’s why i hate men

@enakshiganguly7248

2 жыл бұрын

@Bahan Simerkh which is literally almost 90% of the male population. "not all men" but enough to actually affect something badly

@lescz6058

2 жыл бұрын

Y'all need to get out and meet "real" men!!! Come to the South...I love my women thick. Cellulite comes with it and I'm loving it all!!!

The brand still isn't "inclusive" though. Not every woman is a size 0-2 and not every woman is obese either! Where are the sizes 4-8?! And the women below damn near 6 feet tall?! 😒

i a 20 year old female who grow up watching the shows and was my Introduction into the world of fashion which is something i love very much and brings me so much happiness because fashion is my art, i was so very sad and upset that the angels were gone, doesn’t really matter because my favourite had already retired at that point but there were others i liked, but i am just happy i can still buy stuff from them

It’s the fact that the brand was started by a man to “tailor” women to his needs. Like lingerie in general is something I can’t wear because most of the fabrics are hella uncomfy and give me UTIs or rashes (I’m allergic to lots of fabrics). When I found out most of the materials used in lingerie gives women vaginal problems, it just made me completely distasteful of wearing it. I can respect that it makes many women feel sexy, but I’m not one of them. It just makes me uncomfortable and itchy. I always had insecurities about it as a young girl, but I’ve found just wearing a cute color and some skin tight boys cuts actually make me feel a lot more confident. It’s all about what works for you, and I feel like many of the girls wearing lingerie do it for themselves, but some just wear it because they feel pressured to “perform” for their partners and look sexually appealing. And guys should be more understanding of that, because they’d probably complain about having to wear lace and underwire too. It’s just such an expectation-more a societal one than one most men enforce-that it’s jarring to see a woman unwilling to wear it.

@iknowherstarsign

3 жыл бұрын

it doesn't give anyone any problems lmao.. I'm wearing it since day 1 everyone is fine

@meiji1815

3 жыл бұрын

@@iknowherstarsign not anyone though Everybody is not the same in all ways fashion, langerie, food, language, characterics and more soo yeah if it works for you then good you don't have to tell that person that she is just overacting :) let's just respect each others opinion shall we

@apocalypseready6256

3 жыл бұрын

@@iknowherstarsign Just because it doesn’t give you problems doesn’t mean that’s an all encompassing reality. I’m glad Victoria’s Secret lingerie works for you and you can return to the brand. But that’s not true for plenty of women, as evidenced by the video’s claims itself. Not to mention certain materials, regardless of brand or production, irritate your private parts. Why they’re still being used in lingerie, I have no clue.

@evelynbaron8357

3 жыл бұрын

@@iknowherstarsign I think you have to speak for yourself and not on behalf of the entire female gender.

@Enriquez2222

3 жыл бұрын

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj I’m pretty sure the original poster doesn’t shop there. Comprehension seems to be difficult for you and that’s okay, you just need to practice

Large sizes being more expensive makes no sense. With this logic, baby clothes should cost pennies...

@Gloria-ke1md

3 жыл бұрын

They do tho , since less fabric is used . Baby clothes are less expensive thn grown up clothes.

@lauraagarh

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gloria-ke1md that's not true, some things are the same price or more, it depends on the shop but there are expensive baby clothes

@davidthegiantslayer5132

3 жыл бұрын

It does make sense you need more fabric to make bigger clothing

@taiyabazaheer9492

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gloria-ke1md lol 😂😂😂 you know nothing about business, do you? When you try to re-brand your brand on 'inclusivity' , you don't want to price bigger items pricier because. You wanna build a brand on inclusivity. Look at Rihanna's makeup and lingerie brands. Why are they so popular? Why are they selling like hot cakes? Because of inclusivity. Her brand CREATED BUZZ about inclusivity. You need to create buzz, be it positive (Rihanna) or negative (Kylie) to sell things. Almost all garment brands have bigger to smaller sizes. They don't scale their prices on fabric use. They need to bring their brand with a bang or it's game over for them with brands like Savage x Fenty emerging.

@taiyabazaheer9492

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gloria-ke1md also 😂😂😂 I don't know where in the world you live but in my country, baby clothes are not cheap at all. They compare to adult clothes' prices here.

"Some of you were 3 years old." WHY did he sound so..excited about that like he was itching to say that. That's stomach churning

I think everyone in the comments below completely misunderstand and misinterpreted why both men and women hate the new VS models and marketing image. It's not that people want women to starve themselves to be considered beautiful, it's about a company that built its brand on selling beauty and glamour and that's what people want to see and expect from such a company.

The feedback from men on the re-brand sounds like man child who got their toys taken away lmaooo its a brand for women's clothing so they don't even have a say in it!!!

@hannastar

3 жыл бұрын

ikr lmao

@sw-hg8eq

3 жыл бұрын

I hate how brands for women became a material for men's lust as if they had not enough free porn-clips already. Give us our own space! 🙄

@nathyfera12

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not shocked at any complaints coming from man after I saw them super angry that the new Space Jam movie is not sexualizing the female bunny...

@emilycanfield2634

3 жыл бұрын

You can always tell when a brand is owned/run by men vs owned/run by women lol the "male gaze" vs the "female gaze" -- are very different

@mdbahrozbaburali

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilycanfield2634 I could tell that Victoria's Secret was owned by a man after learning that women watched it more than men.

I appreciate the different pieces of media you incorporate into your videos. Like it's not just you sitting an talking you show articles and statistics and funny clips. It's very informative and entertaining at the same time

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

awwww AHAHAHA you have no idea how much I appreciate this. i'm really learning to take pride in my hard work i do and your comment really shows so much appreciation towards that. thank youuuuu!!!!! hope you have a lovely day

i honestly think this rebranding is amazing. i don't care whether their intentions are to go back to the top of the lingerie market or to genuinely be inclusive, what matters is that they did it. young girls will slowly stop trying to get the "perfect body" and just be fine with who they are with this representation. so whatever their reasons are to rebrand, it was a good decision.

I’m kinda excited for it to come back. I miss its nostalgia and how dreamy it looked

What really happened was that the Kardashians/pop culture changed the beauty standards and VS didn’t adapt to it.

@willowsprings7588

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Right on point.

@Allulathepoodle

3 жыл бұрын

This an interesting point.

@MsBigact

3 жыл бұрын

But thats just the other side if the same coin.

@keyd9846

3 жыл бұрын

Well they stole the black woman look and profited off of it...

@nat-1272

3 жыл бұрын

The VS models are no longer the beauty standard. Beauty standard isn't stick thin anymore.

All those men that are so rude to the new re-brand women that VS hired...it's not like they look like CK underwear model, but still managed to have the audacity to be so rude and judgemental...

@louiseleite3866

3 жыл бұрын

The new models suck.....and I'm not a man. This stupidity has to end......wokeness, SJWs, cancel culture, war against men, white people, marriage.....it's Marxism and belongs in hell.

@sarah.3599

3 жыл бұрын

​@@louiseleite3866 Ah yes. Popular brand wanting to rebrand to be able to compete with other brands in the market because they are losing money = marxism apparently.

@margaretheb7567

3 жыл бұрын

@@louiseleite3866 ahhh yes, war against men and white folks really is what Karl Marx was writing about 💀

@louiseleite3866

3 жыл бұрын

@@margaretheb7567 You must have read ALL of Marx's books.....is that correct?

@ecstasy5022

3 жыл бұрын

Men? the vast majority of negative comments towards the new models that i've seen are from women lmao

I watched ONE video and was subscribed before the end of it, here I am back for more, you inspire me bc so far your commentary comes off as a combat against societal norms

I can’t thank you enough for making these videos. I didn’t know about any of this with VS.

is there anything more disgusting than a grown man making burping sounds at the image of a grown woman he doesn't find atractive?

@evija1159

3 жыл бұрын

More like a boys not grown men :)

@scrabblecheat1059

3 жыл бұрын

@@evija1159 they are definitelly grown men

@synr9611

3 жыл бұрын

@@scrabblecheat1059 I don't think you understood what that person was saying

@jiyama

3 жыл бұрын

@@scrabblecheat1059 manchildren

@scrabblecheat1059

3 жыл бұрын

@@synr9611 would you care to explain?

Lets not forget about using CHILD LABOUR to make this laungerie

@teruhashipleasenocrimefav5815

3 жыл бұрын

Really

@magicscoolbus3834

3 жыл бұрын

And all its animal tested products😆

@ukoncentreretlaeskedrik

3 жыл бұрын

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj but contributing to it definitely won’t help them thats for sure lmao.

@joanateixeira4879

3 жыл бұрын

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj those kids want to go to school but where they live there is no school, so they need to get money working hard to suport their family. (Sorry for my English)

@karma2green379

3 жыл бұрын

@@joanateixeira4879 it’s sad

I just discovered your channel and watched 4 in a row , safe to say I’m subscribing . Also your hard drive must be a legend for storing all the cutaway clips you use in your videos and if you edit these yourself give yourself a pat on the back for all the time that must of taken

Great informative video, thank you for the background history I can tell you put a lot of work into it. Thank you! Not sure how I feel about Victoria’s Secret but I think you raised some great points about their rebranding reasons.

Idk who that poor athlete woman is but I feel so bad for her, I can’t imagine how she must feel from all the bullying directed at her & her physical attractiveness just because ppl are upset about the company rebranding

@TheKaurK

3 жыл бұрын

She is really quite an incredible woman. She is taking charge on equal pay for women’s sports.

@aureliesene4487

3 жыл бұрын

She is anti Asian so I don't care about the bullying she gets. She deserved it.

@idontevenhaveapla7224

3 жыл бұрын

@@aureliesene4487 How exactly? I'm not trusting the twitter discourse without proof.

@aureliesene4487

3 жыл бұрын

@@idontevenhaveapla7224 It's on Twitter, you just have to search it

Victoria Secret‘s whole history doesn’t sit right with me. If it’s still the same people profiting I don‘t want any part of it even with the rebranding. The opinions of men who are crying about the inclusivity of new lingerie brands make me (and so many other women) angry. They truly think they should have the power to police women’s bodies to fit their ideal. I‘m sorry for all the women in their lives.

@vartikagaur2922

3 жыл бұрын

very well said!

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

That's why they were idiots to rebrand. No old brand will please anyone woke. To get with the woke crowd you need a new brand every three years headed by a new person.

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

3 years from now there will be a video like this how Rihanna's brand is evil and not woke or inclusive enough, off with her head. That's why VS had to accept their shrinking customer base, sell more to China and work with what they have.

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

No one will buy the rebrand. So victoria's secret should have just shut down all US locations and aggressively marketed to China, profitablity problem solved.

@realchocochoco

3 жыл бұрын

same people? they literally got spun off to be a new company and they have new people working for them

Your content is very educational. Thanks :)

"the lingeries wasn't sexy to his eyes" so Victoria's Secret projects male gaze on female underwear

Worth mentioning; Romee Strijd (a VS angel) actually lost her fertility for a few years because of the strict workout/diets they had to follow, luckily she got it back because most models weren't able to work because of covid

@_ana___99

Жыл бұрын

@@raspberrysherbet5285 not necessarily, people involved in sports work out a lot but they also get the required nutrition, models do specific workouts that burn fat and practically starve themselves

VS never felt like a safe space for me as a woman. Even in my younger, much thinner days. The models/ads let me know that they didn't carry my size, so I went to other stores for sexy undies. I grew up feeling that VS was for skinny girls with more breast than than super models. So I never went

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

thank you for being honest about your experience! really appreciate it. I really hope you're doing well and feeling secure about yourself and your body!! don't let VS's ridiculous standards get to you!

@louiseleite3866

3 жыл бұрын

VC sells fantasy, not real life. We have the power to choose our suppliers. If you're not happy go elsewhere and give your money to another business, that's what I do instead of moaning which is childish.

@sarah.3599

3 жыл бұрын

@@louiseleite3866 Whos gonna tell you that that was exactly what people did? People were tired of VS and moved on from victoria secret to fenty and other brands. Now VS is no longer the biggest in the market and losing money and are trying to compete with other brands.

@Lewej1

3 жыл бұрын

@@louiseleite3866 Isn't that what OP did, though? Funny how you reek of bitterness over someone just sharing their experience.

@OOOO0OOOO0001___

3 жыл бұрын

@@louiseleite3866 exactly…not every clothing store isn’t going to carry all sizes like for an example brandy mellville.

These men have the nerve to criticise women when they themselves complain that women like only the guys who workout. It’s also wrong to think that Victoria’s secret wants women to look like their ambassadors. They just wanna say that every body type is beautiful and deserves to be up there.

Your content is so thorough and well-made! You must spend so much time making these videos. Keep up the good work!

Victoria can keep her secret. Women have many other cool brands to choose from. It's still sexist, just in a new way..

@average_amanda3884

3 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day it's still a shitty company. I think it's time for something better to take it's place.

@eniolaoyekanmi9461

2 жыл бұрын

It was created and is run by mennnnn

@AG-hc1sw

2 жыл бұрын

Which brands?

@eniolaoyekanmi9461

2 жыл бұрын

@@AG-hc1sw like Savage x fenty, lounge underwear... I mean, VS was created and is run by men isn't that enough

@isaa8521

2 жыл бұрын

@@AG-hc1sw ummm Aerie?? Literally the best lingerie store ever.

ideally they need to scrap everything and start again from scratch- but considering their reputation and the influence they have had in molding the beauty standard, I’m not sure it will be accepted. I’m all for rebranding but I’m sure many consumers wouldn’t dream of continuing to support a company like this as it all seems performative

@revivedcorpseofrasputin4337

3 жыл бұрын

They dont need to scrap everything and start again. Savage x Fenty essentially took Victoria's Secret's formula and modified it. Their shows havent been too different from the VS Shows. Its really just new paint.

Great video! Also, there were a few incidents of VS store employees harassing or following black women. They started to seem real elitist.

You put so much time into Your videos It’s much appreciated

Victoria's Secret has never been a place where I can find good fitting bras. An employee there told me I was an "obscure" bra size and that I would have trouble finding bras in my size... Victoria's Secret only had ONE bra drawer with my size and it was basically just black bras or nude bras, which weren't even my skintone. Turns out I can find my bra size just fine and in high quality materials from nearly every other brand... Victoria's Secret is doomed.

@thegracklepeck

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I could never shop there.

@cocojones7201

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@Widdekuu91

2 жыл бұрын

I searched high and low for my bra-size, only to find it in one store. Not Victoria's Secret btw, a whole other one. When I checked, it was filled with unremovable pushup-fillings. I asked the storemanager and she said; 'Appareantely they assumed women would want those." I said; 'What am I supposed to do now?' and she said; 'Try a B cup, they don't have fillings." I said; 'With a B-cupsize I would need a filling....I have A, not a B.." She said; 'Then you need to use the pushup bra.' I said; 'But I don't want a pushup bra ánd they wouldn't fit inside, because it's half-filled up!' She said; 'Try online' and I did, the only bra that fit me was hella expensive, but I bought 6 and I'm never going bra-shopping again unless I have to, haha.

@x77punk77x

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto; it’s strictly for 36C types & the like…

@yaileenmaldonadomendez6382

Жыл бұрын

Fr... I never found their bras anything gorgeous...just basic, uncomfortable, over priced, cheap quality and very unflattering. Went there with my most snatched body and couldn't make anything work... I never understood the hype...just sheep following the trend because that was so risque everyone wanted to look cool around other people. I would go to Rainbow and would buy a set of bra and underwear for $10 and it was laced and beautiful... Not like a basic VS polka dot $90 bra.

very appreciative for them doing this but i cant forgive them after preaching and shoving down young girls throats that they did not fit any beauty standard. it’s disgusting. and if they are rebranding purely for the sales, its even more disgusting. im just choosing to ignore vs completely bc anytime i think abt it, i literally get enraged. (coming back to say that all my anger isnt just towards the brand itself, its the gross people behind it, and all the men who are saying disgusting things online to this rebranding, and to women as a whole. (also for the racist tweet; im not one to talk about my opinion on it, but i hope she does clear things up soon. she owes an apology.)

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

oooof!! thank you for your input. I'm so glad you stand by your opinion especially taking into account how it's affected you in the past. also love your point that if they are rebranding purely for sales then it really is so messed up.. giving me corporates and pride month vibes lol

@lesliewheeler7071

3 жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimkamityoutube Could you please consider doing a video about Dove next? Dove 'for real beauty'? They're doing it all for sales. In Indonesia, they push skin whitening creams, while here in the USA they claim to be about self-love, which is definitely a lie!

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

@@lesliewheeler7071 oh my gosh!! you legend thank you for sharing this with me... what an interesting idea, I will more than likely make this video! keep an eye out, I'll shout u out if I do make it :)

@lesliewheeler7071

3 жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimkamityoutube Thanks!! Great job by the way.

@Jennifer-uh8th

3 жыл бұрын

Is that Niall on ur profile picture?

This was well researched. Good job, mate!

Your channel is straight fire. 👌 I'm falling down the rabbit hole of your content.

On today's episode of "the audacity of men" we talking about things that honestly have nothing to do with them--- it's gross how some of these men talk about women's bodies and I bet they'll be the first people to talk about how women are shallow and ✨we should focus on personalities ✨ anyways I'm so glad that we've reached a place where people aren't looking for validation from brands like they once used to, as someone who grew up idolizing these models the last few years have really shifted my perspective

@slide6314

3 жыл бұрын

Don't attack a whole gender because of a few people in that gender, it's really being as toxic those specific men were.

@Cupidteez8

3 жыл бұрын

@@slide6314 the commebter never said "ALL MEN." Stop trying to start a Gender war and sh!t. She is ralking about men that feel entitled to a Womens Body! 🌝🙂

@scrabblecheat1059

3 жыл бұрын

@@slide6314 no, is not

@slide6314

3 жыл бұрын

@Mary Moon by "the audacity of men", she didn't specify a select few people of the gender and said "men" so she legit attacking the whole gender lol. I'm not tryna start a gender war but point something out smh as people tend to see all men as the same which we aren't.

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

Victoria's Secret wouldn't exist if average women would give average Joe a chance, instead chasing the toxic Harry Styles, Donald Trump, Elon Musk and over entitled 1% of men.

Here comes all the misogyny by frustrated men, deciding what’s sexy and what’s not. A wonderful recommendation for reading more about the male gaze would be “women, art and the power of looking “ by Catherine McMormack. Says a lot about beauty standards and where it derives from in a patriarchal society.

@ibrahimkamityoutube

3 жыл бұрын

right... they are sooooo mad like go watch your p*rn else where lmaoo. but anyway thank you for the recommendation I'll defo add that to my list!

@meow11358

3 жыл бұрын

@Sofie the Randomness Master no shit but in this situation it is

@frc_sc9114

3 жыл бұрын

@Leptune Cannet no body cares what's sexy. Most ppl are average looking and have average looking partners. Sorry, I should change my statement to "nobody intelligent enough to raise about superficial social trends and primitive biological instincts cares about what's conventionally sexy". Applies for Both men and women.

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimkamityoutube the anger comes from having daughters, and wanting them to beat competition and get the best husband. Female hypergamy creates patriachy

@mariaalmasani

3 жыл бұрын

@Sofie the Randomness Master the male gaze and patriachal society is created by female desire to marry up, and for 80% of women to chase the top 1%, if not 10% if not 20% of men

So my cousin used to work for VS and often, customers would ask her what bra she used cause “hers looked good” ( now we don’t have time to unpack all of that) but she had to lie. She didn’t fit in any of the VS bras.

Love your commentairies! Lots of love from Norway ❤

“This beauty ideal is completely unrealistic” yea thats why they call it a fantasy

@skyking6989

3 жыл бұрын

Fair enough but you'll still demand men be 6 foot+ tall with a 6 figure income and at least a 6 inch organ

@Angiemonte

3 жыл бұрын

@@skyking6989 nope, & just bc you found 1 girl like that or even a few that doesn’t mean we are all like that.

@kachitax

3 жыл бұрын

People need to learn how to differenciate between fantasy and reality. Those models work hard for their body

@softboy5573

3 жыл бұрын

@@skyking6989 honestly I have never met a singular woman that has had this demand. what you see in the media about men's standards is typically run and dictated by other men. most women just was a man that is able to accept emotions and doesn't confine to the toxic masculinity placed on men today.

@skyking6989

3 жыл бұрын

@@softboy5573 I don't give a damm about what other men want. I want a cute woman who's in shape and pleasant to be around I'm not looking for a super model but I'll be dammed if I'm gonna jump in bed with a fat chick

"It's about beautiful women in lingerie" don't tell me this isn't all just misogyny and the male gaze at work 🤢🤢 when will women get a BREAK the society is still so sick

@SuperAmaku

2 жыл бұрын

Ed Razek really said he doesn't want any trans people to "ruin his fantasy show" as if that doesn't tell the whole story fucking disgusting

@Puzzoozoo

Жыл бұрын

News flash: If men didn't look at such women, women would still complain.

@Alexis_005

Жыл бұрын

They straight up treat women like Prank Monkeys like women are the mens jesters and our jobs is to keep them entertained

@cappuccinopapi3038

Жыл бұрын

There’s nothing wrong about what you said. There’s ripped male models all over. Take a day from being dramatic you might enjoy it

@ashleythompson8677

Жыл бұрын

rihanna gets it with her line

Loved how you did this video and discussed this topic. I'm definitely subscribing

This information shared about dieting from the angels helped me get better at anorexia. Those women who tell them to get even skinnier are I can barely wrap my head around so evil but then I remember how normalized it is and everything my beloved mom has told me about food and my body let alone hearing how she speaks about myself

As someone who battled a life threatening eating disorder (almost died from a ED related heart attack twice) and now works with people who struggle on a daily basis, I say to hell with the Victoria Secret. If they go down with nothing, I would consider that semi retribution for the damage done to so many.

@nattie911

2 жыл бұрын

@katiep6294

2 жыл бұрын

@@nattie911 I completely, totally understand where you are coming from. It was a very difficult season of fighting against the beautiful body I had been given. My heart absolutely breaks that you have experienced the same pain.

@ThestuffthatSaralikes

2 жыл бұрын

I am on the *other* side of the ED spectrum; so to speak. Binge binge starve starve starve….still obese. But it does something to a teen when they can’t wear the pretty panties and crap or even find a bra in her size at VS. The women that measured me (in1997) “didn’t even know bra sizes WENT THAT big” her words. It silly, but that’s the shit that sticks with you…

@ramflight

Жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that VS models (or it was just one of their models) was basically just drinking detox tea for days before a show.. like wow! If that's what most of the VS models have to do... no wonder they'd suffer from ED. Very sad.

Victoria Secret was selling a FANTASY. My guess is, what these men are crying about is the death of the fantasy. People take things so seriously now a days.

@sangredelangel

3 жыл бұрын

Lol if these men throwing giant tantrums put their money where their mouth is, VC wouldn’t be bankrupt. They just expect everything to be catered to them by default. 🤷‍♀️

@katherinemariv8856

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a women I have an issue with Victoria secret rebranding. They just want to appeal to the woke mob.

@nicolina1026

3 жыл бұрын

@@katherinemariv8856 What did their prior look appeal to?

@nicolina1026

3 жыл бұрын

@Insomnia I should have said "who" did it appeal to...she's saying they're pandering to the woke mob now, but their look before was created and regulated by a man with a fixation on teenage girls.

@Mollycrimey

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolina1026 literally everyone found the vs angels beautiful. It was appealing to everyone’s senses but not appealing to everyone’s egos.

I was not shopping at Victoria's Secret when I was 20 and I sure as hell will not be shopping at Victoria's Secret now that I am 40.