I like how two of my favourite film analysis people agree that Shrek is a trilogy

@joegeno2273

4 жыл бұрын

@Lee Even Shrek Forever After tried to step around Shrek The Third by including 3D, any other studio would KNOW that including 3D in the title would confuse people and think it was the 3rd movie.

@mar-rv2qb

4 жыл бұрын

is the other one schaffrillas

@dustinshupak4977

4 жыл бұрын

@@mar-rv2qb i feel sideways might have just stumbled onto his channel which is why this is being made. this movie is like an onion. it has so many layers.

@vids1900

4 жыл бұрын

@@mar-rv2qb I just watched that yesterday. Great analysis all-around

@shneancy220

4 жыл бұрын

@@mar-rv2qb yes

The music has layers, Shrek the movie has layers... The whole trilogy is one big onion.

@ayannar.234

4 жыл бұрын

Or is it a parfait?

@juliewinchester1488

4 жыл бұрын

WE GET IT They both have layers

@wimtenberge6014

4 жыл бұрын

Why not cake? Everybody likes cake

@JohnnyFoley1984

4 жыл бұрын

Aracanius Infinius Aaaahhh, this is another one of those onion things?!?

@gwomenazai4486

4 жыл бұрын

*ogres are onions*

The "I need a hero" song also serves as a sort of ticking clock. It connects Shrek's siege to the wedding inside. The villain is celebrating her presumed victory by singing while Prince Charming and Fiona dance to it, him trying to kiss her. We know that if Shrek doesn't get there before the song ends, everything is lost. The song serves a narrative purpose...

@EmilynWood

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

@Ninjat126

3 жыл бұрын

It's a catchy vocal performance of a well known song. It's, as you say, a ticking clock, letting you know there's danger even when that danger is off-screen. Oh yeah, and you can hear the villain song literally battling with the hero's theme for the entirety of the high-intensity action sequence. Even before the hero & villain come into contact with each-other, before either one can see or hear the other, their goddamn theme songs are having a fight to the death. (I'm sure this happens in film scores all the time, but it's clearly and excellently executed here)

@Posiman

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ninjat126 Exactly!

@KaguroDraven

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ninjat126 "you can hear the villain song literally battling with the hero's theme" As an aside, I love this trick. I love it to death, and I adore almost any scene that uses it. Theme-song fighting is top tier.

@FanFicnic

2 жыл бұрын

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

I remember feeling so betrayed as a little kid at the end of the second movie when they both decided to be ogres again, like why don't they want to be pretty and have a perfect life???? It's only now that I can appreciate how the writers insisted on a strong moral backbone of the story, and how harmful disney-like narratives can be!!

@anotheroutlier1227

Жыл бұрын

I don't exactly follow, you mean moral backbone as staying truthful to who you are?

@notcentered602

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Zechariah_Mathieson1871

Жыл бұрын

@@anotheroutlier1227 Yeah I think what they mean is the message of Your looks don't matter works a lot better when the characters are not conveentionally attractive, especially with Disney in things like Beauty and The Beast, where the Beast is ugly, but can find love with Belle. The problem with this story is that It makes the Beast handsome again at the end which undercuts the main message of the story, where in Shrek the Story sticks to it's guns and keeps both main characters as Ogre's as It's happy ending

@DrSpaceman69

Жыл бұрын

Me too! As a kid I wanted Fiona to stay pretty and all the Disney crap, only years later I realized they did the best ending possible

@lyndseymc

Жыл бұрын

@@Zechariah_Mathieson1871I think the difference is that the Beast was cursed out of punishment. He wasn’t happy to be a beast. And his beastness would have prevented them from being truly together (one can assume they could not procreate). And presumably, he had a kingdom to run (although that point was always a little murky). In a way, for Belle, it was like falling for an alcoholic, or maybe someone disabled in some way. She could love him, but their lives would be more full if he were “healed.” But both Fiona and Shrek WANTED to be ogres. They wanted a quiet life, not the beautiful plastic lives of royals in Hollywood, and the story is about accepting yourself and your quirks and living the life you choose. Beauty and the Beast is about having love in your heart and valuing that in others. Two different couples, two different morals of the story.

Here's a theory: all the non-diegetic music in Shrek is actually just playing inside Donkey's head.

@pathowgate2544

4 жыл бұрын

Justaway_of_the_Samurai whilst watching this I kept thinking he was gonna build that assessment. Glad I’m not the only one who thought it

@talknight2

4 жыл бұрын

What about All Star at the beginning?

@SadBarack

4 жыл бұрын

Tal Sheynkman you don’t know what donkey was doing during the beginning

@justaway_of_the_samurai

4 жыл бұрын

@@talknight2 What, Donkey can't feel like an all star for no particular reason whatsoever?

@EatyourWafflesplease

4 жыл бұрын

​@@justaway_of_the_samurai to be fair that is on-brand for donkey

I remember being a little girl watching shrek and being disappointed that fiona didnt get to be pretty at the end. It seemed like a sad ending to me. Because in every other movie...it is. This message is really important actually

@ElleDiablo

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Only when I rewatched 3 or so years back that I realised that THAT was actually her happy ending.

@TheLastHylianTitan

4 жыл бұрын

As a girl who has always grown up with major self esteem issues, that scene hit me hard. When little 2000s me saw that, in the eyes of someone who loves you, you are always beautiful, it gave me a confidence boost and soothed my worries about not being skinny or pretty or blonde enough for society. It really meant a lot to me.

@MaliaMelton

4 жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, looking at the films now...seeing Fiona as a princess is off-putting to me honestly. Maybe it's because she's always far happier as an ogre with Shrek, but I think she's actually more beautiful that way.

@TemporaryFamineShip

4 жыл бұрын

This is a slippery-slope. We got to know (and eventually fell in love with) human Fiona in the 1st Shrek. She was like that for most of the movie, and only had a few brief scenes as an ogre. Does it make me shallow that I prefer the human Fiona? I just feel like there was a lot of character in her human looks that I found endearing. Having her remain an ogre was the usual forced "it doesn't matter what's on the outside" bullshit message.

@crystalgarrett3071

4 жыл бұрын

@@TemporaryFamineShip If she'd fallen in love with Shrek as a human, wouldn't it have been the same message? "It doesn't matter if he's a dumb smelly ogre, it's what matters on the inside."

"To be clear, because we live in dark times" *Uploaded November 26, 2019* Oh you sweet summer child..

@alex7634

3 жыл бұрын

was about to comment this

@truthcaster2377

3 жыл бұрын

Trash

@philipyates3194

3 жыл бұрын

@@truthcaster2377 Treasure.

@miguelpereira9859

3 жыл бұрын

@@truthcaster2377 no

@KurtvonWasmuth

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the LITERAL LOL. I almost fell out of my chair. SO TRUE

Anyone remember the American Idol style competition included in the DvD extras of Shrek 2? It had Simon Cowell in it and you were able to vote for who you thought won. I've never met anyone else who remember that.

@ahmanetbones9496

3 жыл бұрын

Bro I used to mess with that all the time! I loved it!!!

@obnoxious_alien

3 жыл бұрын

I remember it haha! As a kid it annoyed me that you got a singing Simon when you didn't vote for either Donkey, Puss in Boots or Shrek & Fionas duet because he didn't accepted your vote.

@caramackenzie7734

3 жыл бұрын

I thought this was some fever dream honestly

@brotatochipdg1180

3 жыл бұрын

I was just slapped with a wave of nostalgia.... I haven’t thought about this in years but loved it when I was a kid lmao

@jeannietraverso903

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot all about that holy cow.

It’s the funnest fact to me that “All Star” was just a test song/placeholder that wasn’t originally intended to be in the final movie. They just kept it in because test audiences reacted so well to it. Thankyou Test Audiences. Thankyou so much

@nathanbrown8680

4 жыл бұрын

Curse you test audiences. I've always hated that song. It encapsulates everything hateful and soulless about pop music of its era.

@cata112233

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanbrown8680 I'd be mad if you were right, but since you're not.... :^)

@ChrisJones-gx7fc

4 жыл бұрын

And it was after keeping All Star that they asked Smash Mouth to sing I'm A Believer for the finale.

@RivkahSong

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanbrown8680 It's an empowerment anthem and a very unique one, at that. Sometimes you just have to stay positive and love yourself even in the face of everything going wrong and everything against you. All Star is jaded self empowerment and you don't find that too often. I always love the lyrics: It's a cool place and they say it gets colder You're bundled up now, wait till you get older But the meteor men beg to differ Judging by the hole in the satellite picture The ice we skate is getting pretty thin The water's getting warm so you might as well swim My world's on fire, how about yours? That's the way I like it and I never get bored It shows a pessimistic optimism that I've never really seen before or since this song. Yeah you aren't the smartest, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, and everyone always promises that the older you get the worse it'll become but that doesn't mean you can't find joy and hope. You just have to keep moving, try to believe in yourself, and don't let the naysayers keep you down. That's not a bad message for a pop song don't you think?

@nathanbrown8680

4 жыл бұрын

@@RivkahSong It's musically and rhythmically and tonally uninteresting and the more I hear it the more obnoxious it gets. This is typical of pop music of the post-cold-war era. And if there were anything good among the dross like there was in earlier musical epochs it's been long enough we'd have forgotten the 99% crap. Unfortunately, by the '90s the recording industry had control of radio playlists and was pushing cheap to produce crap and interesting music never got traction.

TL;DR: The reason Shrek is different from Suicide Squad is because Shrek uses pop music to highlight dramatic irony, while Suicide Squad tries to use pop music as shorthand to spoon-feed the audience information about the characters.

@aceshighdueceslow

3 жыл бұрын

it's important to note that David Ayer didn't want *any* of that in Suicide Squad, it was mandated by the execs at WB because BvS wasn't received very well and also because they liked the edit from the first trailer, so the whole movie was handed over to that studio to do a similar punching up for the final cut

@user-dw6xm4io1u

3 жыл бұрын

Or there's no difference at all between the two, lol. They both are equally 'there's literally nothing to read into, here's a spoon' so acting like Shrek's choices are more intelligent is kind of odd

@tK-be6ns

3 жыл бұрын

essentially, Suicide Squad was a victim of creative laziness and studio fear

@ariannasilva4462

3 жыл бұрын

Another problem with suicide squad is they tried to make us care about characters we absolutely don't care about. It's not that every movie tries to do this, because they point of story telling is to care about someone or something you don't know. No, the problem in suicide squad is they tried to give the spot light to too many characters at once. In Guardians of the galaxy they did that but to a considerable amount of success. This mainly has to do with the fact that Quill is always the main hero and the rest are side characters. Sure they make impacts and talk about their past but his journey is the sole purpose of the movie. Harley Quinn is the sole purpose but again it gets muddled and screwy when they start introducing multiple people and objectives and all of that. It's a garbage pile I could pick at for weeks but yeah that's one of my many problems with the film.

@CidGuerreiro1234

3 жыл бұрын

@@ariannasilva4462 Harley is the protagonist but she could sit her own movie out and it wouldn't make a difference. Same for the Joker, he has no connection to the plot whatsoever and was only shorhorned into the movie for marketing purposes. In fact, most characters in Suicide Squad could've been removed without affecting the movie too much. Slipknot is more functional as a plot point than most of them since he at least serves to prove that the bombs in their heads are real. As for the music, the songs are just thrown in there without any real thought or intention put into them. Paranoid plays when Harley is beating some goons because...?

Donkey is the most musical character in the film and ends up laying the Dragon. Donkey is a bard guys.

@HadalStreetlights

Жыл бұрын

Tripod vs The Dragon is right again.

@Fio_Lynn

Жыл бұрын

My next dnd character… will be donkey XD

@christalyu635

Жыл бұрын

I started watching D20 recently and I’m so proud I get this joke :’)

@logalogalog

Жыл бұрын

Donkey is a Chad.

Fun Fact: part of the reason Donkey is always singing is because of the fairy tale he’s from. In the Town Musicians of Bremen, a donkey, a dog, a cat, and a rooster all love singing, and they decide to form a form a music group after running away from their terrible owners. They come across a cottage being used as a hideout by some bandits, and chase the bandits away with their singing.

@Sedow1231

7 ай бұрын

Good to know

@suspiciousl3manoid209

24 күн бұрын

Haven't read that story in a while

Basically: music should advance the story, not merely describe it, and you can also do that with pop music

@straypaper

4 жыл бұрын

Correction: "pop music" should advance the story. Because do you have any idea how difficult it is to compose an original piece *just* to describe? An original piece that can describe is sufficient (see Fiona's theme or Shrek's 2 measure crescendo thing). Pop music that can describe *is not sufficient* because you did not compose it by yourself, and that just means you're just lazy for including it in your movie. In Shrek, pop music is used as a symbolism of societal pressure, and its' use is warranted because any other genre wouldn't cut it. In SS it's just used in place of what could be character themes, and they're just being lazy by using it because they could've just composed a new piece for that but didn't.

@samyrandome425

4 жыл бұрын

@@straypaper how's paying a composer more effort than paying an artist for the right to use a song ? This has nothing to do with "laziness"

@straypaper

4 жыл бұрын

@@samyrandome425 Because there's more effort on the part of the composer to make a piece around a script than there is on mixing and matching a preexisting song based on if its' lyric matches the script.

@MusicMovies1990

4 жыл бұрын

diegetically

@aegerman6317

4 жыл бұрын

Samy randome The composer doesn’t sit alone in a room for 4 months and then pop out and the score is finished. There’s a LOT of collaboration between the lead composer and the director, and pretty much everyone involved. If you just pay for the rights to a song, you can just edit it in and then you’re pretty much done with that scene

Any film that can continue to be culturally relevant almost 20 years after it came out is an unironically good film. Just like Spongebob, people meme Shrek out of affection.

@andrewmeyer4124

4 жыл бұрын

Kung Fu Panda is entering into the same realm as well

@hanniffydinn6019

4 жыл бұрын

Only film I couldn’t stop watching after I downloaded the pirate copy, and was just seeing what the picture quality was like. Now that’s the real test. Total classic ! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡🤡🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍😱😱😱😱

@hanniffydinn6019

4 жыл бұрын

stockart whiteman Star Wars prequels had an actual coherent story. They now look like masterpieces compared to the Disney bullshit. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡🤯🌍🤯🤡🤡🤡

@andrewmeyer4124

4 жыл бұрын

@@hanniffydinn6019 100% agree. The Prequels biggest problems was that they had horrendous dialogue, & some pretty bland acting overall, which both cone down to Lucas having complete control. If he had different people in those positions like in the Originals, then they would've great. Disney Star Wars is just a complete joke, the definition of a lolcow. The one thing they have going for them above the rest is great Special Effects and Sound Design. Outside of that, they suck. That's why Rogue One has the best battle of any Star Wars battle, because it relies on those two things heavily

@megamage911

4 жыл бұрын

God fuck, it really is almost 20 years old... God I feel fucking ancient xD

I think the BIGGEST reason that the "I Need a Hero" scene is so impactful is that instead of the pop song determining the pace of the scene, it feels like the natural impression of the SCENE that *happens* to sync with her singing at the same time.

@yugiohgames104

Жыл бұрын

Jennifer Saunders killed it

@guri256

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I can sort of see what this video is getting at, but I really feel like the reason it was so successful was really due to the dynamic range, the words fitting, the ebb and flow of the song from soft to loud as we switch between scenes, and the amazing singer. I didn’t even notice the Shrek theme being added into the song, and I wasn’t familiar with the original song.

I still can't believe that this was the movie people got shoved over to if they were underperforming on Prince of Egypt. Not that PoE isn't an actual masterpiece, it's just bizarre to think that this was made by what Dreamworks execs considered their B-team.

@sheelaflower

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, Disney had a similar thing going with Pocahontas and Lion King. Barely any of the veteran animators wanted to work on Lion King because no one thought it'd do well, so it was given to the 'B-Team', which consisted out of a bunch of newbies and amateurs. If someone underperformed on Pocahontas, they got shoved to Lion King. Even Pixar has a story like that with the Incredibles. Brad Bird fished everyone who was fed up with Pixar's rigid regime and wanted to leave and put them on his movie, telling them to go haywire with their ideas and pipeline modifications and that worked so well that that's literally the only reason the Incredibles managed to get made in the first place. Animation in the west is an industry full of traditions and the people in power, including the veterans themselves, don't like trying new things. That's why you get these incredible masterpieces every time a group of outcasts comes together and finally manages to bring things they've been working on in their heads for literal years into their work.

@WiresDawson

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheelaflower that's an incredibly good point.

@roskiart8750

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheelaflower That's not exclusive to the animation industry, creative endeavors in highly industrialized mediums experience this on the average(Silent Hill is a game series that got kickstarted precisely because of a situation like those ones. Outcasts allowed to express themselves)

@monstermikeheinrichs

2 жыл бұрын

@@sheelaflower I'm reminded of the mid-80s, when Disney was working on The Black Cauldron and The Great Mouse Detective. Disney put most of their eggs in the basket that was The Black Cauldron, and pretty much allowed the team working on The Great Mouse Detective to do whatever they wanted, only making them change the name from Basil of Baker Street, clearly more worried about their bigger project. The Black Cauldron flopped and The Great Mouse Detective went on to be a surprise hit, making enough money to make The Little Mermaid, kicking off the Disney Renaissance.

@Muljinn

2 жыл бұрын

Though to be fair, part of the reason the Black Cauldron tanked is the execs refusing to commit to the bit. The cauldron born and the Horned King are supposed to be genuinely dark and terrifying, but the higher ups kept “kiddifying” the film.

"Shrek, REALLY impacted people." Lets be real, we didn't realise it till recently but yeah.

@micahcook2408

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly... yes. I mean think about how people enjoyed seeing so many parodies of things held as classics or dear or as safe to us. I mean also a lot of people started to become tired of cookie cutter stories in animation that even Disney was becoming self aware with some of their projects later on. Also I bet some of us were subconsciously affected as young viewers by the film as it never left most of us and was perhaps one of the films that helped a lot of us end up having a lot of leftist thinking and ideals in the early to mid 2010s to 2017/18 era... I say Shrek definitely had an impact on modern animation’s retelling of the unlikely hero and perhaps even SUBCONSCIOUSLY paved the way for an entire generation to seek diversity in our western entertainment. I say too it also may have been one of the movies early on that helped gross-out comedy evolve massively in the 2000s era (especially with Mike Myers as Shrek; who was known for his gross take on comedy).

@corndog3164

4 жыл бұрын

Nah yall were on a different train, I knew this sh!t was fire when it came out. I use to put it on in the mornings when I would get ready for High School lol Shrek and The SpongeBob Movie are top tier comedy

@dragonofepics7324

4 жыл бұрын

Corn Dog was born the year it came out I didn’t get the critical thinking skills to analyze my childhood influences like this until recently, and I’m sure that’s true for a lot of people here.

@marina.chayka

4 жыл бұрын

My father left the theather saying that this was one most revolutionary movies he had ever seen and it would redefy animation as we know it and pretty much everyone agreed with him.

@conmom2534

4 жыл бұрын

@@marina.chayka I had got the movie for my birthday and my DAD was so excited that he couldn't wait and so we watched it a few days early lol I was still surprised so I'm good but he just couldn't wait. 😂

Someone made a good point on why Disney is failing at making a not damsel in distress. Because they overcorrect it and make them girl bosses without the layers

@remyrot77

4 жыл бұрын

exactly. a lot of people, including disney apparently, seem to think that "strong female character" means a female character who is literally strong and kickass, but it actually means a female character who is 3-dimensional and well written

@patrickbang3037

4 жыл бұрын

i agree either the princesses are useless or else they are godmode NO layers in between

@nint357

4 жыл бұрын

On one of my university lessons, my prof commented on Disney's "need" not only to overcorrect their movies for themselves, but to seem like they answer to the audience's criticism of female empowerment. Exclusively for princess movies, we see them correct themselves on very secific issues: Ariel was criticised about changing herself for a man, then Belle came along, an outcast that won't conform to society's expectations like Ariel. But Belle was criticised too about not being feisty enough, so there comes Jasmine, with her no-nonsense attitude and desire to be seen as a person before anything else. Jasmine still needed rescuing, so in the next Princess feature, Pocahontas was the one to save everybody and so on and so forth. We always see Disney "correcting their past mistakes when making a new movie" (as my prof said), yet they never take the necessary steps to create a princess/female figure that can check off the boxes people actually need in terms of representation and empowerment. Through Fiona we can see that this can clearly be done, even through Disney's Esmeralda: both women are strong, smart, sensitive, compassionate, and yes, beautiful, but without any of those features undermining the other. They're not reduced to their stereotypes like the rest of the princesses, they are their own persons. Now of course, Esmeralda is not the main character, Quasi is, but the point still stands in terms of character development and empowerment

@nint357

4 жыл бұрын

@Tiana Jordan Indeed, but we must also remember that China wasn't overly fond of (read:hated) the movie, because the people thought that it was offensive in its depiction of chinese culture, which is the main reason why the movie is now getting a more politically correct live action movie (that, and money). Actually, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Mulan, etc. as live action adaptations all have the same thing in common: they change the parts that people criticized them for to make a more socially acceptable movie that will not only earn them the box office success they desire, but also the very imprtant pat on the back for "pioneering" in creating (or correcting) female characters to what is perceived as their full potential

@micahcook2408

4 жыл бұрын

The irony of this all is were not seeing people in general as people when writing these stories.... things are complex...

One thing on this (and forgive me if someone already commented on it): the reason "Accidentally In Love" is so perfect for the start of Shrek 2 is that the band Counting Crows wrote it specifically for this movie! And fun fact, it was also nominated for an academy award for best original song. Pretty darn cool! And yeah, it's perfect and wonderful and I love it so darn much.

@gingerkitty1425

7 ай бұрын

I love that song❤

I think an important point about the movie version of 'Holding Out for a Hero' that you kind of glossed over is that the song was rewritten and rerecorded for the movie to include a lot more changes than just the Shrek theme. The Shrek version includes interludes, plays with the pace a little to make it feel more like the Fairy Godmother singing than Bonnie Tyler, and plays with some of the musical elements in the original to amplify and better fit the on screen action. The net effect is exactly what you described (the clashing of the external pressure and internal truth), but I think just throwing in a snip of the theme under the original song would have been horrible and wouldn't have worked anywhere near as well.

@aanesijr

2 жыл бұрын

This is the reason why the song on my playlist is the Shrek version and not the original.

@AlX-Ander

9 ай бұрын

The cover takes so much of the energy out of the song. Which is a good thing. Fairy Godmother is taking a victory lap, dedicating the song to her son who didn't actually do anything. The energy is added back in via Shrek's theme.

1999: Ugh, why do we have to read another essay? 2019: Ooh, another KZread essay! Me likey!

@djobokuwali4316

4 жыл бұрын

How old are you?

@valeskajones2629

4 жыл бұрын

@@djobokuwali4316 old

@hannahking9004

4 жыл бұрын

Me just realizing that these types of videos...are actually essays 😐

@Clash-wn3lr

4 жыл бұрын

@@valeskajones2629 this is correct.

@gravitydood1554

4 жыл бұрын

you sound like an Amy

"YOU WANT TO HOLD HER?!" "Yes!" "YOU WANT TO *PLEASE* HER?!" " *Y E S!* "

@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039

4 жыл бұрын

Shrek is love shrek is life

@niamhmcdermott7512

4 жыл бұрын

THEN YOU GOTTA GOTTA TRY A LITTLE TENDERNESSS

@watermelonsandal4206

4 жыл бұрын

THE CHICKS LOVE THAT ROMANTIC CRAP

@AlmightyPolarBear

4 жыл бұрын

Donkey sure pleased Dragon.

@niamhmcdermott7512

4 жыл бұрын

Never had this many likes 😂 thanks guys!!

Also, can we talk about how the Fairy Godmother calls for "I Need a Hero" in C minor and then sings it in G minor? Gets me every time.

shrek is just, so right. it is realistic. makes you appreciate when it turns your perception of a fairy tale upside down.

@razkable

3 жыл бұрын

that score at the start hits me every time..its so epic..

YOOO how did I never pick up on that instrumental callback during Holding Out For a Hero, that's amazing (and so is this vid obviously)

@Ishidalover

4 жыл бұрын

Two kings in one place ❤🤣

@LucasDeziderio

4 жыл бұрын

NOW THAT'S THE CROSSOVER WE DESERVE!!

@hellogoditsmesatan7169

4 жыл бұрын

The Shrek legend himself is here.

@GumshoeGamer

4 жыл бұрын

I thought for a sec you uploaded two videos when I saw this in my sub feed.

@NikSpyratos

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's time for a crossover video

The main theme has formed as the main fairy tale theme in my head, to the extent that I forgot it was shreks main theme. Now that's a theme.

@thehellinsidemyhead

4 жыл бұрын

same tbh

@Etoiles14

4 жыл бұрын

Same here honestly.

@kthemaster1999

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was the DreamWorks theme

@netking767

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, it's what fairy tales sound like to me

@vjm3

4 жыл бұрын

All I hear is LOTR music, especially the Shire theme, but your association is justified.

"the film does not trust pop music to carry the most emotional moments of the story" gotcha

2019: Sideways "We live in dark times" 2020: Everyone "Oh"

@woda9291

3 жыл бұрын

2021: Hello there

@MS-ld3jn

2 жыл бұрын

2022: *awkwardly coughs into a balled-up fist*

@jojorose648

5 ай бұрын

2023: bruh

alternative title: *don't be Suicide Squad*

@Bananaman559

4 жыл бұрын

Be shrek dont be suicide squad

@millsrome

4 жыл бұрын

In a world full of Suicide Squads be a Shrek.

@adrianmartinez1833

4 жыл бұрын

What

@haihai9022

4 жыл бұрын

Another alternate, which will be too long: *SUICIDE SQUAD, YOU A SO MUCH OF A DISAPPOINTING MESS!! WHY CAN'T YOU BE LIKE SHREK??*

"To be clear, I think Shrek, as a narrative is stronger than all the Disney Renaissance films combined. It's almost been two decades and Disney still can't figure out how to make a self-rescuing princess to the caliber of Fiona." THANK YOU

@tinaloye2014

4 жыл бұрын

Moana

@copbphoenix

4 жыл бұрын

@@tinaloye2014 You mean Maui. Moana's central thesis for her heroine quest amounts largely to "... but you're pretty useless, so get this guy who can do it for you..." - and even during the final fight it's made clear that she's useless and needs a strong man there to hold her dainty little hand. No, Moana is not a strong, self-rescuing princess.

@tinaloye2014

4 жыл бұрын

Sar'ras Fae'lynn seems you missed the first half and second half of the movie. Maui literally did nothing but teach her how to sail on the ocean. Moana calmed a literally volcano down just by walking up to it. She rescued the stone from a murderous pirate ship when Maui wanted to run, she was a de facto Leader in her village as a teenager and she sailed back home by herself without Maui. She continued on after being abandoned by Maui (multiple times). She was focused, driven and was self assured as much as a teenager could in the middle of the ocean. The only reason the ocean even wanted them to meet was so that Maui could teacher her how to sail and she can then teach her people so that could leave the island. That's it. So.... thank you, Next!

@copbphoenix

4 жыл бұрын

@@tinaloye2014 So we're just going to ignore the fact that Maui constants bails her out of trouble and even in what should be her shining moment (the end of the movie) he's the one who saves the day. Okay, fantastic. Glad you don't understand how men are used to undermine women in narratives. "Thank you, next!"

@mariakarina1588

4 жыл бұрын

here is where we agree that moana was a huge step in the right direction for disney but they definitely can and should do better

Literally got a Disney add on the "department store" part. They really played themselves.

I always said that the music from Chicken Run was extremely incredible and sophisticated for the film. Glad to see these musicians got their big break on Shrek.

Fiona is the princess every girl aspires to be. She's fierce, kicks ass, eats good, and knows what she god damn wants. Love Fiona forever

@cityguard4847

4 жыл бұрын

Amanda F And was the first of her kind. Plus one of the better versions of this new trope. New versions of the "kickass princess" are either mediocre or bad. Most of the time anyways.

@guacamojo

4 жыл бұрын

I was skimming your comment and read "eats ass" rly didn't need that image in my head

@scotu7075

4 жыл бұрын

shut-up-vanessa I love that lmao

@Wills4gottenbday

4 жыл бұрын

@@guacamojo 😂😭 I mean maybe, she's a pretty cool chick

@ntadema

4 жыл бұрын

Except in real life, men aren't into masculine, unattractive women and girls who think they can physically dominate men are destined for a rude awakening. The fatal flaw of Shrek IMO is that Fiona is every bit the fantasy that Cinderella is, but lacks self-awareness to the degree that it sneers at Cinderella for creating unrealistic expectations.

I came here for a meme... stayed for a genuinely interesting deep dive into arguably one of the most beloved movies of the century

@sydneystardust5926

3 жыл бұрын

Writing an essay on this

@woofyou1186

3 жыл бұрын

Sydney Stardust DO IT

@TheGobin

3 жыл бұрын

not century because it will always be loved

@merkkar1

3 жыл бұрын

I came and stayed for that reason. Shrek being a masterpiece is no joke.

I totally agree, Shrek storming the castle while Jennifer Saunders sings "Holding Out for a Hero" was the most epic part of most movies, let alone any Shrek title

Can I completely seriously and unironically ask you about the Twlight soundtracks? Everyone i know agrees its the one thing they did really right, but is it just a good playlist or is it a really good soundtrack? Love your channel I just binged like 9 videos in a row Edit: thanks for not making fun of this question y'all lol fingers crossed this will be a video one day somewhere

@simeonwashington9995

3 жыл бұрын

This would be a fun watch

@tricksfollies9549

3 жыл бұрын

This would actually be interesting to see.

@Chiggianya

3 жыл бұрын

AGREED

@demi19821

2 жыл бұрын

please!

@monstermikeheinrichs

2 жыл бұрын

On a similar note, I think Get Hard has a good soundtrack. The movie starts off with Iggy Izalea, Jessi J, and John Mayor. Basically, this guy's as tough as a wet paper bag. As the movie goes on, the music switches to artists like P. Diddy, Westside Connection, and 2Pac before getting into rappers that I never even heard of cause I ain't that hard, signifying how much tougher Will Ferrell's character has gotten.

Everyone: ALL STAR! Sideways: LEITMOTIFS! AND ALL STAR!

@lukecrawford6251

4 жыл бұрын

You forgot the dies Eire. Cause you know he finds every time it occurs

@joshuamanjarrez6321

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukecrawford6251 you mean Dies Irae?

@WillGaylord

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Hallelujah

I thought this was going to be Smash Mouth - All Star for 17 minutes straight

@TiTi-pm4my

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite part is that you still clicked on the video.

@RoboBoomStick

4 жыл бұрын

@@TiTi-pm4my Hey now....

@TiTi-pm4my

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoboBoomStick You're an all star 😉

@topestcompilations6526

4 жыл бұрын

Mee too

@AlmightyPolarBear

4 жыл бұрын

You certainly are missing out on the rest of the soundtrack. "Stay Home' "My Beloved Monster", and "You Belong to Me" to name a few.

It’s actually so special how the holding out for a hero scene in shrek 2 is so memorable to everyone I know. People with totally different interests that are different ages all agree that it’s just the best

I have listened to Holding out for a hero countless times since seeing Shrek, from on a CD when I was a kid to on Spotify now and I would always wonder why the original song sounded so different. I kind of just put it to the back of my mind like "oh it's because someone else is performing it and there's probably a different band" and I never would have picked up on the backing themes without this video. I am floored.

me before this: yeah shrek is good idk it just is me after this: shrek is the single most complex film that manages to maintain its quality from a viewers standpoint while still withstanding both time and criticism, in this essay i will

@fayesan6094

3 жыл бұрын

Ellace Y ES.

@gelatinouscube3438

3 жыл бұрын

wHERES THE ESSAY?

@ellace41

3 жыл бұрын

American Pilotage budget cuts 🤷🏻‍♀️

@cl22396

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s awesome they incorporated original hero score into the climactic scene of Shrek 2. Not sure overall Shrek soundtrack is “genius” though. It’s great, but more conventional than it’s being presented as. I mean if you were picking songs for this movie, would you really have watched Fiona and Shrek have an authentic romantic moment and slapped “I’m Walking On Sunshine” on top of it? Finding pop songs that loosely correlate with the mood of a scene does not take a genius. And to me, All Star always felt like a placeholder even when I was 10 years old, I’m not surprised at all to learn that.

@merkkar1

3 жыл бұрын

Me before and after this:

Accidentally in Love was written for Shrek 2 and was actually nominated for an Oscar for best original song

@rachaelmarks2

4 жыл бұрын

Narciscynic wow I didn’t realize that!

@charliefrie3082

4 жыл бұрын

F# to B to Cdim

@Shadowkey392

4 жыл бұрын

Damn!

@kiefcoffee

4 жыл бұрын

good

@cookieaddictions

4 жыл бұрын

Narciscynic this is one of my favorite songs how the heck did I not know that.

When you played the main theme i got chills all over my body and almost cried. Holyshit

@Bohem401

2 жыл бұрын

oh-I thought it was just me. The few bars of music have the medieval fairy tale power to totally carry you away. Sorry Disney-I cannot recall anything like that in your movies.

@AllardRT

Жыл бұрын

I admit, I just barely held from tearing up a little.

Shrek is Geralt and Donkey is Jaskier.

@yourstruly9013

3 жыл бұрын

How could you say something so brave yet so controversial

@PKLuver944

3 жыл бұрын

And yet so true

@BurnItUpp2009

3 жыл бұрын

So true. I see no difference 😂

@WarMonger_the-One-and-Only

3 жыл бұрын

Shrekalt and Jaskey.

@The1Dragonprincess

3 жыл бұрын

That why I love The Witcher.

The memes never ruined Shrek for me. It’s an excellent movie.

@TheAkwarium

4 жыл бұрын

they only made it even better for me tbh

@MarkyMatey

4 жыл бұрын

It ruined it for me.

@captainbritain7379

4 жыл бұрын

For me its more like I can just about like it despite the memes.

@gmcubed

4 жыл бұрын

Alex White the sequels ruined it way before the memes came around.

@hero3551

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarkyMatey That means you are WEAK!

sideways: THE DIES IRAE Teacher: Sideways this is the seventh week in a row you've shown the dies irae in class!

@FilmScoreandMore

4 жыл бұрын

Sideways: Leitmotif?

@SleightlyPersonal

4 жыл бұрын

Score Piano Covers *Ultralord, but a different color

@HxH2011DRA

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilmScoreandMore I'm screaming XD

@IronianKnight

4 жыл бұрын

As the teacher shuts his presentation down docking his participation grade during the critical moment in the film you can faintly hear the dies irae in the soundtrack

@vanillaannihilation5871

4 жыл бұрын

I mean it's not uncommon

Videos like this make me really appreciate how above and beyond composers go for movie themes even though all the casual film goers like me won’t be able to appreciate it.

I always love watching Shrek video analysis, because Shrek on the surface is a bag of Doritos, but when you open it you find a five course Michelin star meal

When you mentioned shreks theme, I was really confused, because I didn't rember any theme music from shrek. And then you played it, and I immediately started humming along to it.

@abook2141

3 жыл бұрын

same. i've always thought it was the DreamWorks theme idek why

@holymakerel

3 жыл бұрын

@@abook2141 the dreamworks theme kinda was the shrek theme for a while i think? I feel like most dreamworks movies now play their own osts while the logos show

@plushy_doctor2299

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, wHo DoEsN't-

@marcorubio4628

3 жыл бұрын

@@holymakerel I think it's because they play it during every title screen and there's a bunch of movies in the series. Maybe also used in other dreamworks animated pictures

@Xirpzy

3 жыл бұрын

Nocturne - Secret Garden. Could also be why people think they remember it.

"It's been 2 decades and Disney still can't figure out how to make a self rescuing princess to the caliber of Fiona!" Please. Not in the face, it's gonna ruin the funeral!

@carolinesa91

3 жыл бұрын

I just thought wtf a gringo is using Tropa de Elite's reference here, then I read your name. Será que pega na gringa essa expressão? 😅

@NegoClau

3 жыл бұрын

@@carolinesa91 tomara que pegue.... Hehehehehehehehehehehehe

@gregmcgregginton574

3 жыл бұрын

ai sim ein, meu querido

@SophiaC

3 жыл бұрын

SOCORRO SIMM

@nineof_clubs

3 жыл бұрын

... mulan

As a side note, I find it so perfect that they casted Eddie Murphy as Donkey. One of the most musical comedians out there, I can just hear his James Brown impression slipping out when he’s doing “Try A Little Tenderness.” Absolutely stellar performance.

the fact that so many people know the shrek motif while having no idea its the shrek motif is such a shrek thing to happen honestly

Disney: Music drives the plot Shrek: Plot drives the music, with a cherry on top

@mitchkat123

4 жыл бұрын

And both are great in different ways. That’s the magic of music and film 😊

@dingdonghello1754

4 жыл бұрын

"With a cherry on top" xd

When you revealed the music motif that was hiding in the "Holding Out for a Hero" scene this whole time... _I felt things._

@FrogsForBreakfast

4 жыл бұрын

I mighta even teared up a little

@HHSDaily

4 жыл бұрын

I definitely teared up and gasped

@micahcook2408

4 жыл бұрын

Did anyone else ever realize that Shrek definitely did make influence tho as it’s literally the only popular non-Disney animated film to have a fucking live stage musical on Broadway... lmao 😂

@MaddieNiec

4 жыл бұрын

@@micahcook2408 Anastasia has one now. It just got one last year I think.

@littlebrittle6100

4 жыл бұрын

When I tell you my jaw dropped, i-

Shrek is so good, I love how it’s still relevant to this day, there’s so much thought around it, and I love how they have such a great personality. I love how there is a growth to it, and it follows a storyline, but instead of going in a predictable way, it goes through all of these pathways and makes it even better.

I heard they used the pop songs to get the moods right and then decided to keep the tracks in. I can really feel how the Animators might have been more motivated to pace the scenes on the Music and to make it as awesome as can be. Must have been pretty fun and heart pumping on animating on this mood. Instead of just hearing the voices or nothing at all while working on Animation. Especially pumping on holding on for a hero.

I love how everyone agrees that Shrek 3 didn't happen

@markeos7753

4 жыл бұрын

We agree what didn’t happen?

@LowIntSpecimen

4 жыл бұрын

Shrek 3? You mean Shrek Forever After?

@sussybaka7532

4 жыл бұрын

Shrek 3 is amazing

@LightCrib2

4 жыл бұрын

shrek the turd

@enderan647

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry what didn't happen again?

Can we talk about how 20 years later Disney’s trying to do the same thing as Shrek with their constant commentary on classic Disney troupes?

@nowhereman6019

4 жыл бұрын

A curse on their House of Mouse.

@Metroid4ever

4 жыл бұрын

And they (disney) think they're clever for doing so, when in reality, the way they go about it is actually kind of insulting to those original works.

@sunnyvistad

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like they tried to make Olaf resemble Donkey

@AnaBanana126

4 жыл бұрын

“You can’t marry a man you just met!” Yep

@micahcook2408

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah Shrek definitely influenced animation and storytelling in the modern age since also a lot of people started to become tired of cookie cutter stories in animation which in return like you said even had Disney becoming self aware with some of their projects later on to veer off criticism (a bit). Shrek definitely did make some influence tho as it’s literally the only popular non-Disney animated film to have a fucking live stage musical on Broadway...!!! WTF lmao 😂

Just to mention, although the original I'm a Believer was by someone else, the version they used at the start is the Smash Mouth cover. (Fun fact; Shrek starts and ends with Smash Mouth songs.)

I really really need you to do a video on Spirit: Stallion of the Cerulean Heard. It is amazing and is an excellent use of pop songs in cinema, its excellent

@Jaclyn_Lizzi

3 жыл бұрын

Seconded - quite possibly my favorite animated film of all time.

@weirdofromhalo

3 жыл бұрын

I need anyone to do an actual analysis on Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron.

@BetaJackMaxis

2 жыл бұрын

Get off his back.

@dhivaansalig6398

Жыл бұрын

Those pop songs in Spirit are excellent because they're original, they were originally written to capture the "spirit" of the story.

unrelated, but at 8 I saw a Scottish talk show; kept wondering why everybody was speaking in "Shrek".

@lunchies6114

4 жыл бұрын

haha I love this

@ellbeveridge7256

4 жыл бұрын

i’m Scottish and didn’t even understand that shrek had a scottish accent 😹

@DraconicDuelist

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically, according to the extras on the Shrek DVD, Mike Myers was going for a sort-of American accent, screwed it up, and they decided they liked it so he turned it up a notch.

@dr.kineilwicks7002

4 жыл бұрын

That reminds me--shortly after Shrek came out I heard my first episode of Craig Ferguson's Late Late Show; I was half-asleep and going "I don't remember that being in the movie." XD

@sophiejones7727

4 жыл бұрын

@@DraconicDuelist yeah, he doesn't sound Scottish. He does sound like an old-timer from Nova Scotia. it's hilarious that they did that by accident, because it works so well for the character. Like, if you were making a sitcom about a small town in eastern Canada, the main character's granddad would basically be Shrek (but not green). Just a stereotype obviously, but not a totally undeserved one.

Shrek literally breaks into the ballroom as Fairy Godmother sings “He’s gotta be fresh from the fight!”

@nerobernardino88

3 жыл бұрын

What a massive chad!

@PeterGriffin11

2 жыл бұрын

@@nerobernardino88 Who is Chad? I don't remember that Shrek character.

@Boultbeeable

Жыл бұрын

And the part where it says "rising with the heat", it's when the guards are foaming the milk to pour over Mongo, and I can't hear that part of the song without having that image flash into my mind hahah

@NataliaLidia_06

Жыл бұрын

​@@PeterGriffin11 it's an expression that originated from memes.

OH MY GOD Thank you for figuring out why I felt like Shrek 2's "Holding out for a hero" was different from the original. It's the hero music!!

honestly i just shrek (or just the whole franchise) has become both a HUGE meme but is also universally regarded as an animated classic

I feel like "I Need a Hero" was a soundtrack to the 'fake' hero story the fairy set up, while Shrek's heroic theme was the real hero story shining through.

@laurateale546

4 жыл бұрын

Oh my GOD you're right. Holy shit

@thecianinator

4 жыл бұрын

I too watched the video that you commented on

@annabellematice5163

4 жыл бұрын

It was her trying to convince Fiona that she "needed" this new version of "Shrek" (Prince Charming) even though Fiona felt he was no longer the man she married. Fiona never needed a hero, and she knew that. That's why the fairy godmother's plan to replace shrek would never work, Fiona would have left him.

Why have I just spent 20 minutes watching a shrek analysis

@alinakinyaeva1836

4 жыл бұрын

Because Shrek is love, Shrek is life.

@NeviTheLettyFan

4 жыл бұрын

First time?

@Fashiongirl95

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know... Same here tbh

@jxkdl8807

4 жыл бұрын

because it's good

@krisdeltarun

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf that’s a mood

The Shrek soundtrack was my first CD and “All Star” was the first song I learned all the lyrics to. It’s literally once of the reasons I’m really interested in film soundtracks and enjoy really well done ones, I feel strangely validated by this video😅

15:33 "Who cares if you aren't doing it the way people want you to. If it makes you happy, then that's what's important." Can't wait to use this in court to defend my tax fraud.

Dreamworks honestly makes some of the most beautiful music in animated movies, and I think it's an aspect that is very underrated. Prince of Egypt, Shrek, How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, Rise of the Guardians - all of them have beautiful scores that just make me, for lack of a better way to describe it, melt. They're also the kind that bury themselves into your subconscious like a sleeper agent. I legitimately didn't remember Shrek's Hero theme until you played it, and it all came rushing back.

@derhak727

4 жыл бұрын

How to Train Your Dragon is my very favorite animate film (series)

@matthias9093

4 жыл бұрын

Prince of Egypt has the best soundtrack in any animated movie: change my mind.

@benshaw750

4 жыл бұрын

Hans Zimmerman composes for prince of Egypt, how to train your dragon, and kong fun panda. Same guy that did inception and interstellar. The studio knew exactly who to hire.

@davisburchett9678

4 жыл бұрын

@@benshaw750 How to Train Your Dragon was scored by John Powell.

@benshaw750

4 жыл бұрын

Davis Burchett I could of swore they did a collab for this movie too, my mistake

Us as little kids: “Haha I like Shrek it’s a funny movie.” Us as teenagers and young adults: “Haha meming Shrek is awesome. I love how Shrek works as such a fitting focus of ironic memes.” Us in 2019: “WTF SHREK IS OBJECTIVELY INCREDIBLE!”

@ridethelapras

4 жыл бұрын

True believers always knew this though.

11:25 "but it isn't just this song, listen" advertisement "imma stop you right there"

Man I hope they keep these ideas in mind when making the next Shrek movie. Puss and Boots was such a success I can’t wait to see their updated iteration of Shrek.

*Sideways:* I talked about How Train Your Dragon but I haven't talked about Shrek yet.... *Schafrillas:* _THAT WAS YOUR MISTAKE!_

@alyssadurante8739

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@TheRibottoStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@@alyssadurante8739 I HAD to lol

@redjumper3134

4 жыл бұрын

You are so correct!

@teenytinytwoo1375

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I wanna see a collab between those two. It would be epic

@TheRibottoStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@@teenytinytwoo1375 RIGHT?! Well they've both already talked about Shrek, HTTYD, Disney.....but DAMN it needs to happen lol

“There’s something about donkey, that’s very special.” You don’t say

@cooldude2251

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's because he talks

@jaschabull2365

4 жыл бұрын

You don't say, but he does.

@justabiloserdoinsomecovers5654

4 жыл бұрын

you have 420 likes.

@jellyjub1690

4 жыл бұрын

how did donkey get dragon pregnant In shrek

@benjaminmoua78

4 жыл бұрын

@I HAVE MUFFINS! But the real trick is to get him to shut up

I think the biggest example of pop songs being used as external pressure would be Hallelujah. You could feel the character’s somber moods all while they’re ‘forced’ not to say a word. Fiona and Shrek are separated due to a misunderstanding, and both are unable to literally tell the other how they feel. Watching it, you literally get the sense that they’re throats clamped up, so hurt emotionally they can’t bare to say a word and nothing’s gonna fix that in that moment. It’s like, it feels genuine because instead of an improbable musical, you get grounding reality..?

Holy crap. I'm a big Shrek fan, I saw the second in theaters a stupid amount of times, I sincerely love it and have listened to that version of "Holding Out for a Hero" so many times, and I never noticed that the hero theme is part of it. I actually got goosebumps watching this video when you pointed it out. This is amazing.

Not joking here: I actually cried during Shrek 2 because of self-esteem issues and how much I could relate to the story.

@drema1051

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you feel better now

@juliana3943

Жыл бұрын

I used to have that with Beauty and the Beast. Because I felt so ugly and unlovable that I felt like I was THE BEAST.

@isitdatserious

Жыл бұрын

@@juliana3943 💀💀

@yugiohgames104

Жыл бұрын

@@juliana3943 You are lovable to us.

@longbow857

Жыл бұрын

@@yugiohgames104 Say that to her ugly face.

I love how Fairy Godmother as a character just fits so well with the societal pressure theme of the shrek soundtrack. She *quite literally* tries to change people using her very commercial and industrial potions business, and as a fairy godmother she also continues the theme of making fun of Disney. It's just works so perfectly when she sings the I Need A Hero remix at the movie's climax because it's both pop music AND the original score, as a mixture of the hero leitmotif and a pop song about heroism it's literally Shrek battling against the pressure of society, and holds the double meaning of Fairy Godmother celebrating her perceived victory of her orchestrated "hero" Charming falling in fake love with Fiona *_and_* of Shrek heroically coming to the rescue. It's just pure awesome. Also, let's talk about the love potion. In both of the first two Shrek movies, the goal of the villains is to obtain Fiona as a prize, Farquad wanting her as a queen so he can be a proper king, and Godmother wanting her to fall in love with her son so that *_he_* can become king. Both of these villains objectify Fiona and degrade love into a shallow means to an end, they don't really care about what Fiona wants from the relationship. As a result, both Farquad and Fairy Godmother's son Charming both come across as very, well, incel-ish, for lack of a better word. Also, the main ingredient in Fairy Godmother's love potion is lust, which further eludes to how shallow these characters's idea of love is. I believe all of this is intentional, and is meant to mock how Disney falls back on "true love" as a theme for its movies. Relationships in Disney movies aren't fleshed out, they're soulless filler with no real chemistry between their two dimensional princes and princesses, and get overshadowed by some resulting gain of royal status or wealth. They're just as shallow as all the villains from Shrek wanting Fiona so they can ascend to royalty.

@madeniquevanwyk

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate this TED talk

@maxgrozema1093

3 жыл бұрын

Huh, never thought about it that way

@MisterMythical

3 жыл бұрын

Who knew that a children's movie could have such a deep theme, let alone one that was built up through the both the plot AND the music?

@ShatteredGlass916

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh, another Dreamworks films that explore the 'incel' theme aside from Megamind? Damn bro...

@catoticneutral

3 жыл бұрын

@@MisterMythical gee it's almost like cartoons are a viable art medium or something :O

Shrek is just relatable. Female or male, don't we all wonder how on earth our partner is attracted to us and we feel like a ogre ? Haha disney princess stories is some young perky beautiful girl that instantly attracts everyone. Disney princesses are "becky with the good hair" at first, fiona is cute girl with idealistic expectations of a prince but then becomes a real person.

In Holding Out for a Hero, the fairy godmother also steals Fiona from Shrek by giving her a society-approved, shining "hero" (Prince Charming). As she sings this song, she's also stealing Shrek's "hero" identity marker, his Theme Song. And as a true villain, she's appropriating Shrek's Hero theme song, therefore playing another mind game on Fiona (the Hero Theme is associated with Shrek, which she is assigning to Prince Charming here--who is supposed to be Shrek in disguise from Fiona's POV). It's a super epic song because it's guiding the viewers to understand and feel for the complexity of the situation: Shrek has everything taken away from him, from his lover to his own heroic identity, and this raises the stakes for his epic confrontation with the godmother.

Me: hears the main theme for Shrek for the first time in years Also me: suddenly feels like a 7 year old kid again and starts crying Damn, what a theme

@sherryyrs8660

4 жыл бұрын

Francois Roewer-Despres I relate to this on a soul level

@MissAlyssa108

4 жыл бұрын

It like gives me the nostalgia so hard it like tingles

@MrAgentTurner

4 жыл бұрын

Saaaame. How old are you now? I'm 22 and it's so fricking nostalgic.

@yrs6086

4 жыл бұрын

Its a rip off of secret garden's NOCTURNE. Do check that out.

@daniellewalker256

4 жыл бұрын

I know. Goosebumps.

There's a pretty straight up reason that pop music worked: Shrek was generally lampooning and reflecting popular culture in every other respect as well. The use of popular music was a thematic and aesthetic fit. In Suicide Squad, this fit didn't exist because the songs were just tangential to what was going on on the screen. The *only* way it fit was the kneejerk surface level.

@lilytheflower-4004

4 жыл бұрын

Well dang I guess I should’ve just read this comment instead of watching a 17 minute long video

@Laeiryn

4 жыл бұрын

Well for many of those the "pop music" was written FOR the film. Disney paid Phill Collins a LOT to do Tarzan. And there is NO pop music in El Dorado; it has a lovely instrumental score and a couple of its own original songs.

@trinifernandez8870

4 жыл бұрын

@star · light I'm sorry, which one of those movies relies in pop music without an original score?? Megamind uses music in the same way that shrek does, Ice age has an original soundtrack, and the pop song is kind of an opening, just a mood setter (Its doesn't relies on it), Spirit has an amazing soundtrack that one could argue is sung by the horse, since all his narration is in off voice, so the singing doesn't really seems out of place at all, brother bear is a straight up musical, they sing the songs that were specifically written for it, tarzan also has original songs, treasure island they sing.... The only ones I can't really say anything about is httyd, surfs up and over the hegde, because I don't really remember the soundtrack, but in all the other movies you just cited.. well... }i don't think they really prove your point (but from what I remember from surf's up, pop music would make sense, since the movie realy tries to be cool and set a "current" feeling) I think you are confusing pop with non.diegetic

@SirBlackReeds

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't that how most movies use licensed songs, tangentially? Even Guardians of the Galaxy's doesn't hold a candle to Shrek (or even Megamind) when it comes to usage of licensed songs.

I Need Some Sleep by Eels is the best original song made for any movie and I stand by that statement

“It isn’t just the song...listen..” *ad plays* Hmm I see..

I know why, it's cause he kicks the door in sync with the song. Thank You.

@TheAkwarium

4 жыл бұрын

SOME........BODY

@eXistenZ423

4 жыл бұрын

the happiness pfp :D

Also, "All-Star" is basically about being shoved outside of your comfort zone and into new experiences by crisis. You know....the theme of the film.

@CH-jq9su

4 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

I think movies like Deadpool 1 + 2 and Kingsman 1 + 2 use it in the same way as Shrek but the pop music is mostly during action like during the boxing ring brawl. The familiar music excites the viewer and gets their heart beating in addition to the action making it even more overall exciting.

I like how the use of pop music is similarly integrated in Gaurdians of the Galaxy 2. Peter's comfort and kickass moments are represented more through pop music, whether that be him dancing during a grave robbing or taking comfort with his friends.

"The pieces of pop music come to represent external pressures on the characters that inhibit their ability to freely express themselves, while the original score reveals their true identities." Perfectly said.

@Cole_42

4 жыл бұрын

I read this comment as he said it and it was a very trippy moment

@amityislandchum

4 жыл бұрын

It's total bullshit, though.

@micahcook2408

4 жыл бұрын

sharksandsheep yes and no. I agree with the OP statement and your comment at the same time. If Shrek was released now or during the time of Suicide Squad, people would’ve questioned the pop music. Granted, Shrek has an interesting story and it is written better than SS, but Shrek came out at the peak of Disney’s height over animation and 2 years after their renaissance. I think it was great to a lot of people to not hear Musical Theatre-esque Music in animated film. Plus the late 90s to early 2000s was the time of skater boys and “epic-ness” and the soundtrack delivered on that “badassery”

Holding out for a hero was THE most epic musical moment in film history. I will physically duel anyone who disagrees Edit: so many people disagree I need to physically duel every one of you

@dorsia6938

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, the charge of the Rohirim in LOTR is more epic

@averagecrusader6850

4 жыл бұрын

Landeen no

@zachary4670

4 жыл бұрын

Luke’s final run on the Death Star, or Battle of the Heroes between Obi-Wan and Anakin

@ashleya3731

4 жыл бұрын

@Isaac Thompson the latter. I get emotional and ready to party and fight any bad guy during it

@games_on_phone89

4 жыл бұрын

Endgame's final fight Spiderverse's... well, everything

Until now, I always thought the main theme of shrek was actually a compositional reference to Gustav Holst's Jupiter. Just looked it up and realized it's a slightly different tune. World shattered.

Indeed. Shrek is love, Shrek is life

Hey Hey Ya wanna know another movie that does this? MEGAMIND BABYYYYYYY

@melaniebudd3616

4 жыл бұрын

DREAMWORKS BABYYYY lol

@SouthernBelleReviews

4 жыл бұрын

YaSSssss

@tonk3878

4 жыл бұрын

PRESENTATION!

@jayphoenixcos3136

4 жыл бұрын

A TRUELY UNDERATED FILM. I see you're a man of culture

@princessthyemis

4 жыл бұрын

great film!!

Me: Why is this in my recommended? Algorithm: Ok i get it. I'll find something else. Me: no. wait.

@nelzelpher2088

4 жыл бұрын

Touche, I'm glad I found this video and I can tell I will like this channel already.

I’m glad to see father Shrek getting the respect he deserves. People slept on this album, oh hell, I admit it... I never returned the Shrek CD to the library as a kid. That song by eels “I need some sleep” was my lullaby. Thanks to the Shrek soundtracks I discovered Bowie with changes... which opened my world to rock, sooner rather than later by the time Shrek 3 came out I had already known most of the soundtrack. If you listen to father Shrek he shall guide you. If anyone gave me that as a gift I would cry, that Shrek CD helped me through difficult times growing up.

I think the testament to how good shrek’s music was can be said for me in two ways. If it’s been awhile I get goosebumps when I listen to it while watching the movie. On roadtrips before the internet and Netflix, we would watch it over and over and nobody got tired of it. We memorized and enjoyed as movies and albums.

i literally got chills when you pointed out how “holding out for a hero” in the second movie uses the same score from the first movie wtfff 😤😤 shrek really is god tier lmao

I want someone to talk about me the way you talk about the Shrek series soundtrack

@FionaA17

3 жыл бұрын

Lol😅

@MultiTomtom23

3 жыл бұрын

*lol* whhhoooaaaattt *rofl* reading this nearly killed me 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

@bachpham6862

3 жыл бұрын

You are a beautiful human being, who is both courageous and kindhearted. Do not let societal pressure change who you are, be yourself because you are at your best when you are yourself, Falaniko Noga.

@pyrocooper5830

3 жыл бұрын

bach pham Wow. This is a nice comment but you know nothing about this person therefore it is not genuine. Before trying to encourage/uplift someone, get to know them first.

@falanikonoga9631

3 жыл бұрын

@@pyrocooper5830 I don't them either, but they are spitting facts 😌💅🏽

I love the points you make in this video, especially the part about the instrumental callback, your commentary always makes me appreciate the soundtracks of movies way more and i want to thank you for that

Even now, Shrek & Fiona's theme sends a swell of emotion swell rushing through me and a tear to my eye. Because it's beautiful and sincere and unique, and associated with the happiness of characters I genuinely like, and so *want* to see happy. It even makes me tolerate the "It Is You I Have Loved All Along" soundtract song I am otherwise unimpressed by. As you say, this personalization is a huge part of the missing element in the pop music selections, and that is an amazing deliberate choice on the moviemakers' parts. I wish Disney understood this and stopped being so dang lazy in all the wrong (very important) areas, like this.