we don't accept T-Pain slander in the Sideways household

@seisage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey I didn't know you watched Sideways! Hello!

@thisisafalseaccount105

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, I know you!

@HotaruMitsuki101

3 жыл бұрын

T-Pain love or gtfo

@bellal3167

3 жыл бұрын

Omg Emirichu hi 💖💖

@mellabru

3 жыл бұрын

YESSSS GIRL

Pitch correction is like CGI. You only realize when its bad.

@isweartofuckinggod

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@user-wk6jf6yd6p

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that's right

@ivyallie3688

3 жыл бұрын

Yes... I doubt Disney got many complaints about the CGI rooftops visible in this very video. People don’t realize how much CGI is used to accomplish really mundane things.

@TheTadghB

3 жыл бұрын

That's a really good way of putting it.

@bradleyjacinto7732

3 жыл бұрын

Ivy Allie Exactly. There’s that one shot during Belle where the camera booms up to look in the distance at Gaston and Lefou and those rooftops always stood out to me as being CGI. I’m just glad someone else noticed that.

I just wanna make sure I've got this right: Autotune is like drag makeup. It's supposed to be a dramatic effect, it's not meant to fool anyone into believing it's real. Pitch correction is like nude makeup. People who complain about makeup don't even realize it's there most of the time, and it creates super unrealistic standards for everyone. Now T-Pain can't ever wear makeup again and has to post a million #nofilter selfies so everyone knows that he actually looks good and they'll stop bashing him for the blue eyeshadow.

@lyrablack8621

Жыл бұрын

Dude that's fucking the best analogy ever!!!!!

@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466

Жыл бұрын

@@lyrablack8621 I sure hope that analogy consented

@flazzorb

Жыл бұрын

I now have the image of T-Pain in drag stuck in my mind, thanks I hate it, I will never be free of this thought. Edit: know -> now

@lyrablack8621

Жыл бұрын

@@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466 LMFAO I JUST GOT IT

@edim108

Жыл бұрын

Basically.

Guy made an entire video just to make sure the world knows T-Pain can sing. Respectable.

Blaming Emma Watson for the film's audio mixing is like blaming the cast of Cats for the film's CGI. It makes no sense. She wasn't a producer or director.

@Salted_Fysh

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you can blame the cast in the sense that they all cashed in on the movie completely draining the budget. They should have been able to tell that there was no way this movie was going to be good with the amount of A-List actors thrown in there.

@edisonlima4647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Salted_Fysh Come on, all star casts had existed since always and had even resulted in a few classics.

@cedricwublin9306

3 жыл бұрын

Also, it's Disney. Cash is not something they're lacking in.

@d3line

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Salted_Fysh and by "cast" you mean the director and the studio that did the actual casting, salary negotiation, and budgeting.

@Northflowo

3 жыл бұрын

Also blaming Emma Watson for the film's audio mixing is like blaming the CGI of Cats for the character designs :')

"Everyone gets pitch corrected - *everyone*" _listens more intensely to Sideways' voice to try and tell if he pitch corrected his own video_

@KalokesMysteries

3 жыл бұрын

This makes me have trust issues

@michaelkenner3289

3 жыл бұрын

He doesn't sound bad so yeah, there's almost certainly some audio engineering. Probably just filtering, noise reduction, pop filtering, equalizing and normalizing. Unless you have fantastic recording equipment and a sound proof room you're going to want to clean up the sound at least a little before uploading it.

@aliince9372

3 жыл бұрын

I was here to comment this exactly.

@driannelanhart4216

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkenner3289 like the footsteps from the guy upstairs

@Duiker36

3 жыл бұрын

I'm baffled by all the people here who thought Sideways did any singing in this video.

Those things are why I have such a high respect for musical theater and opera. These singers are unbelievably well trained with their voice and their body. You see Opera-singers and musical theater actors literally fly in a harness and hit a high C.

@spaceyspux7194

Жыл бұрын

That is what worthwhile things are about! Hard work!

@IvoryLoaf

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen emily rohm in ride the cyclone? Her performance as jane doe live is absolutely jaw dropping! She hits incredibly high notes flawlessly all while in a harness spinning upside down and flying around! Shes incredible

@thetheatrekidblewup

7 ай бұрын

jane doe :)

Bringing up BTS is a good point. K-pop groups are doing intense dances all while they are expected to sing perfectly. They can't, it's just not possible no matter how much training they get. Singing to the track, singing live, and with pitch correction is a good way that their fans still get what they paid for without disappointing them or massively overworking the performers on stage (more than they already are, K-pop industry is a mess). When they do it smartly, you can still hear the difference from the album, but sometimes you can hear the track in the back. Sometimes it's there to help the singers as well. There isn't anything wrong with it, it's a clever way to give a good performance while still keeping it genuine. Because realistically, their singing would be filled with breaths and huffs as they are dancing. Many endings you see idols breathing intensely, and that in main part is due to the dances. They still have real talent, pitch correction just helps them so they don't disappoint their fans because they couldn't sing the same they would standing in a studio recording an album while they are doing intense and elaborate choreo on stage.

@honeyyb

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing wrong with using a backing track when you have to dance and sing. The fans still get to hear them sing all the good parts and they get to take a breath once in a while. Personally I think them being constantly out of breath would sound worse than them skipping one line to be able to breath for a second lol

@henvdemon

Жыл бұрын

i mean, korean uses different air costs compared to english. Ppl forget that other languages use different parts of the vocal chords and diaphragm. Not saying they don't use effects in k music but it is something to consider.

@kareno7848

6 ай бұрын

Then stop dancing.

@deusex9731

5 ай бұрын

@@kareno7848 why. Whats so bad to have a live performance focus more on the flow of both dancing and singing together than just one of them. Just a different way of presenting something. If you want to watch someone for a really good singing performance, then do that. If you want a really good dance performance, watch that. Why would they have to change

@Lina-qn5hj

4 ай бұрын

​@deusex9731 not to mention western artists, like Ariana for example, don't dance and yet still use all the techniques from the backtrack to the slight pitch correction. Also, I don't think bts is a good representative of kpop since they are known for singing live (unlike many kpop performers) and we know they sing live bcs they... make mistakes and miss lines.

People: "Autotune bad!" Vocaloid producers: 👀

@kitanuma

3 жыл бұрын

This. No need to worry about autotune if the vocal is fully synthesised. I love vocaloid.

@ashrafabdillah5369

3 жыл бұрын

@@kitanuma Vocaloid allows for so many different avenues of vocal production. Prime example: The Disease Called Love. Sure, you can make the same effect with human voices but I don't think it would have the same impact. Using synthetic voices makes the song sound more atmospheric and in-line with the theme of the song.

@darkness74185

3 жыл бұрын

don't need to worry people pointing out that you're shifting pitches when you *made* the pitches

@somedragonbastard

3 жыл бұрын

I think Vocaloid appeals to me so much because it does what autotune does, but even more. My favorite example is GHOST's Entomologists, which edits the song to sound more insectoid and less human on top of the inhumanity of voice bank singing.

@TakumiTheHoshidianPrince

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering why this video was recommanded to me so many times. Like, sure I'm interested in music and it's production, but I'm mostly interested in vocaloids, sooo... But now I know, YOUR COMMENT probably motivated the algorithm in a way or in an other. And I don't regret anthing, vocaloid related or not, this video was great. So, thanks you I guess ! 8D

Jesus, that singing in the rain thing is meta as fuck

@sizzleyfries3421

3 жыл бұрын

Nice alex grey profile pic, rock on dude

@TheMeloettaful

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it was, I didn't really understand what was going on when he was explaining it lol 😂! Though honestly I never watched that movie so I wouldn't know anyway 🤷. Sounds fascinating though!

@evapapier8394

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMeloettaful In the movie "Singing in the Rain" there is this very famous silent movie star, Lina, played by Jean Hagen. Lina has an unattractive voice and a very distinct accent, not a problem in silent movies. But silent movies are being replaced my movies with sound and voices (called talkies). The studio decides to make their next movie a talkie but Lina's voice make that impossible. Test audiences boo the movie. Then they get the idea to dub Lina's voice with another woman's voice. That sweet voiced woman is called Kathy and is played by Debbie Reynolds. But while fictional Kathy *can* sing like a professional, Debbie Reynolds, the actress, can't. So The real-life studio decided to dub Debby Reynolds playing Kathy dubbing Lina. But the real twist is that the actress who gives her singing voice to Debby Reynolds is Jean Hagen, the very actress playing Lina. So you have basically Jean Hagen providing her own vocals but with Debby Reynolds pretending to do it.

@TheMeloettaful

3 жыл бұрын

@Eva Papier Oh ok! Thank you for explaining it to me 😃! My brain was hurting trying to figure it all out 😭. Seems like they were doing the meta thing long before we were lol 😂!

@vincentdufort777

3 жыл бұрын

mindf**K lol....

Honestly tell these people "Just say you've never been to a live performance" They sound different. Even with a pitch correcting microphone, it is different. You don't pay to hear it identical. You pay to go to a big party and see (from a distance anyway), the celebrity or musician you're a fan of, and hang out with friends. If you were paying to hear it sound exactly like it sounds super well cut and studio edited, they would just pay for the pre-recorded version. The difference is the spectacle.

@tomatochips8514

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I go see orchestra, because it's even better than recorded versions :D

@trinidad17

Жыл бұрын

Many big names have used auto-tune during live performances for at least a decade or so, and when properly applied it's almost imperceptible. But it's one of those things you can mount in a sound rack, an auto-tune module, and these days you probably can just run it live from a PC.

@piotrmalewski8178

Жыл бұрын

That's one the places where most kinds of popular music separate wildly from classical music. With well done autotune you can fix that one note the singer screwed up, without anyone noticing. But a well trained singer just will not screw up. That's the difference. Classical musicians can change interpretation a little from performance to performance and that's what people go for. You on the other hand, go for undertrained musicians to screw up differently.

@DioBrando-mr5xs

Жыл бұрын

I dunno bro Layne Staley sounded pretty great without correction.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

No, I just go to see more talented musicians who actually sound amazing live.

I went to see Imagine Dragons in concert and the lead singer, Dan, ran over to do the big drums for Radioactive and got so into it that he forgot to start singing so he literally made the band stop playing, announced what happened and then concluded by saying, "Well, at least you all know we're not lip-syncing." Still so funny to me, but so true! If I went to a concert and a band wasn't performing live, not gonna lie, I'd feel a bit cheated, and so would lots of other people. I think that same line of thought absolutely carries over into people's psychology surrounding auto-tune as well. Super interesting vid though, dude! Thanks for covering this!

@pc_buildyb0i935

2 жыл бұрын

Lip syncing only happens for televised live performances that go on TV. It doesn't happen on-stage for band performances. And artists themselves have NO say over it, it's all ordered by the label that the recording is signed under. If the label demands lip-syncing, and you want your paycheque, then you lip sync

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

@@pc_buildyb0i935 Depends entirely on the contract, which depends on their pull. Taylor Swift can do what the fuck she wants, I wager.

@pc_buildyb0i935

Жыл бұрын

@@BWMagus One would think T Swift can do whatever she wants, but even SHE can't, as evidenced by the fact she could not even get back the recording rights to the material on her own debut album and had to go re-record the whole thing. If someone as big as Swift doesn't have the legal power to nullify a decade-old label contract, you can imagine pretty much nobody else would. The label still holds MUCH power and say over the final product and how it, and the royalties it generates, is distributed. Which is why so many artists are going indie these days

@Blueeyesthewarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@pc_buildyb0i935 It’s so messed up that they won’t let her buy her Masters. She has ungodly amounts of money, let her buy them!

@pc_buildyb0i935

Жыл бұрын

@@Blueeyesthewarrior Copyright law is the devil. No amount of money will undo the lobbying and gerrymandering that occurred to put these stupid laws into place, which is why Swift had to re-record the entire album

truly we never deserved T-Pain, he is too good for this earth

@tyler7432

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@kenjiotake

3 жыл бұрын

We don't deserve your content, the only voice of reason in cinematic themes.

@homomorphic

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, what did we ever do to deserve t-pain?

@sg-qi7np

3 жыл бұрын

sorry tallahassee pain :(

@sarasamaletdin4574

3 жыл бұрын

This channel should have used a clip of his auto tune voice since I have never heard of him.

"T-Pain is a better vocalist than you or I will ever be" The truth hurts.

@vishgoel6697

3 жыл бұрын

YOU again.

@mnky75

3 жыл бұрын

So is Soundwave apparently.

@pathevermore3683

3 жыл бұрын

@@mnky75 T-pain: superior, soundwave: inferior

@matsv201

3 жыл бұрын

Well.. im not that good... so its not really surpricing.

@Kaerikillington

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I have come across you in three separate videos today. 90s commercial nostalgia, every mentos commercial, and this one, wtf lol

It's like people don't know that Cher and Tpain have been singing their asses off long before they started using autotune

@toxicity42

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, people just seem to forget that Cher had a very lucrative career in the 60s and 70s.

even kpop groups who are trained for months to years just to have stable voices during performances use backtracks live and u can even hear their voices crack as they sing on top of it lol so it really bugs me when people try to use "autotune" as a reason to hate on them as if their faves aren't using it too lmao,, i also don't like it when reverb gets called autotune in general like?? 😭 but hopefully this video helped others understand the differences,, thanks for the vid!

@handleonafridge6828

Жыл бұрын

The thing is auto tune has become an all reaching word for any voice altercation kinda like band-aids became the name for adhesive bandages. It’s technically wrong but when you say “I need a band-aid” everyone easily knows they’re referring to an adhesive bandage even if it’s not the band-aid brand. So when someone says “it has too much auto tune” they’re referring to literally every single voice altercation in a way that the other people will recognize and say “I like it, it’s very stylized” or “yeah, this is kinda annoying let’s change the station”

@user-xr9kj6by3u

Жыл бұрын

yeah kpop fans are obsessed with this crap, and honestly anything else they can use to put their group on top while belittling others. and i never understood that. like, aren't the idols already working their asses of, why are you now demanding ALL of them sound amazing at all times, including non-vocalists. I can't imagine the amount of pressure they must be under. They're entertainers first and foremost, and most of them aren't even real vocalists. Those who are (and there are many amazing ones), will show it. they'll sing ballads and OSTs and go on shows like masked singer. But constantly scrutanising every live performance, especially the dance heavy ones... it's just inane.

@joan9620

Жыл бұрын

@@handleonafridge6828 yes! sadly not everyone is interested to know the differences between autotune and voice altercation )): these days it's even harder for people to notice them on songs since the tech has gotten waaaay better

@joan9620

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xr9kj6by3u ugh the clowning during dance-heavy performances 😭 they're having trouble breathing with singing and dancing already, please let them have shaky voices once in a while lmao,, plus there are other videos on yt and other platforms that showcase their vocals anw, so it's fair to say that maybe sometimes it just wasn't going their way because they are human afterall~ also, i have experience w/ dancing while singing, it's really hard to have a stable voice lmao they just make it look easy 😭

@fionajansen395

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't it YG kpop trainees that had to run laps while singing, that's pretty brutal vocal training. Some kpop training is absolutely brutal which is why I hold kpop on a pretty high level. No live performance is perfect, but I do like how BTS does it because they move around sooo much I wouldn't blame them for being a bit out of breath. But one time Jimin voice completely cracked at the last few notes of his solo and his face erupted into an embarrassed smile, it was probably a disappointing moment to Jimin who wanted to give his best performance, but to me it is endearing since he is human sharing a small human moment with us

Hats off to theatre actors to sing live on stage

@starfire7322

3 жыл бұрын

Especially opera singers who sing without microphones in huge opera houses

@adventureawaits1401

3 жыл бұрын

@@starfire7322 Thank you!

@ConstantinEckhardt

3 жыл бұрын

@@pixelsupreme6824 yeah, they just have to sing against the acustics of the room and a 40+ gang of instruments called an orchestra. The reason for microphones is not the music they play it's the crowd size the want to please and it makes more money to play for ten of thousands of ppl in an stadium at wherever then maybe up to a thousand in an purpuse build room.

@Futu06

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantinEckhardt Not really though. It's also about the type of instruments, type of crowd and the proximity and position in relation to instruments, not just the size of the crowd for why mics get used. Opera singers benefit from really quiet crowds, usually pretty good acoustics, the fact that the orchestra don't sound nearly as loud as instruments at a rock or pop concert (because speakers are usually directed right into the crowd) and the fact that they are usually positioned physically above the orchestra and above the audience, which helps with projecting. If you've ever gone to a small hole-in-the-wall grunge club to a rock concert with MAYBE 60-100 people in the room at best, it doesn't matter how good a vocalist you are or how good you are at projecting - that crowd is going to be loud and right there in front of you, the drum kit and electric guitars are going to be right next to you or right behind you. A human's voice without a mic just will not compete with all of that coming from essentially the same level for the audience. The vocalist could make themselves heard, but it won't be at a level where it results in a good overall performance from the band.

@gon9684

3 жыл бұрын

Meh, HATS OFF FOR THE AUDIO ENGINEERS...

"emma watson was a miscast as belle" and "it's not emma watson's fault they messed with her voice so much it made the performance terrible" are two statements that can and should coexist

@STOCKHOLM07

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, so it's not her fault that she's the lead in a musical and cannot sing?

@Horsedogz

3 жыл бұрын

@@STOCKHOLM07 Except she can sing? Did you not finish the video?

@STOCKHOLM07

3 жыл бұрын

@@Horsedogz But she really can't though

@juanvelazco2179

3 жыл бұрын

@@STOCKHOLM07 and you just missed the point of the whole video. Good job.

@sweetiepetitey

3 жыл бұрын

​@@juanvelazco2179 Well to be fair, the point of the video in and of itself is flawed. Emma Watson isn't a singer, and the clip shown of her singing without pitch correction doesn't really prove much. Sure, she's "singing" and because there isn't a blatant layer of electronic sound it doesn't sound "bad', but her singing in that clip is honestly closer to talking on pitch. It's breathy and unsupported, and doesn't really prove anything ability-wise. Emma Watson was cast because she is a recognizable face that directors know can act very well. It is absolutely no secret that Holllywood prefers well-known faces with less singing talent to lesser-known faces (Broadway stars, for instance) with more singing talent. Jeremy Jordan being replaced by Zac Efron in The Greatest Showman is a great example of this. While Zac Efron is in a different boat from Emma Watson because he can "carry a tune" (his own words, although I'd give him a bit more credit than that at this point), Jeremy Jordan has an undeniably stronger voice than Zac does. Emma Watson isn't a singer, and that's okay. She is a tremendously talented actress, but our pretending she is competent enough vocally for this role perpetuates the refusal to include properly trained (and talented) singers in Hollywood musical blockbusters. To be honest, most of the actors featured in these movie musicals aren't really competent singers (most of them would never even be considered on stage for the roles they are playing in these films). The issue is far more complex than just 'pitch-correction made me sound worse than I am'. While this is true to an extent, it's not the only reason her voice stands out amongst the rest of the cast.

I don't care if an artist can even sing well or perform live, if the music they release sounds good, then they're clearly talented and know how to use the tools at their disposal to make good music.

@nittayoshifumi8252

Жыл бұрын

I second this take

@17thstellation

Жыл бұрын

Same. I don't like how a lot of people seem to only care about the physical performance aspect of music. It's an art, not a sport. Not to diminish the importance of performers, just that some people take it way too far.

@drunkshinx960

Жыл бұрын

@@17thstellation reminds me of how people see digital art as easier and the computer basically does it for you, it doesn't at all, it just gives you more tools to work with. yes it is easier, but who cares, the point is to make good art.

@17thstellation

Жыл бұрын

@@BWMagus That's an unnecessarily toxic way of saying that producers should get more credit. I agree, but also - why the obsessive focus on single artists? Can't we just call a song made by multiple people a team effort? Also, you're way too quick to assume that everyone listens exclusively to the absolute most mainstream chart-topping pop artists. It's not true - I've yet to meet a single person who doesn't enjoy at least some stuff that's a bit more niche.

@tortis6342

Жыл бұрын

No shade meant, but I think you mean disposal instead of exposal.

Just goes to show how underappreciated musical theatre singers/dancers/actors are

As an aspiring singer with a problem having any confidence, hearing "everything is pitch corrected" makes me feel SO much better. I've been comparing myself to impossible standards.

@MauZangetsu

3 жыл бұрын

As an average musician with years of experience, I realized the only one person you should be comparing yourself to, is yourself from yesterday. That's the only one you have to surpass to be better

@lexxosaurus

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a studio engineer, and yeah comparing your singing to what you hear on the radio or your Spotify playlists is akin to teenage girls looking at models in magazines and wondering why they don't look like that. I've worked with some truly amazing singers who have ranges you wouldn't believe, and even they get treated to a heavy pitch correction session. This singer I'm working with currently, she's probably the most insanely talented singer I've ever met, and her solo line is a comp of over six different takes with tuning details done on every single note all recorded on a $6,000 microphone. Listening to it, you would never know. It sounds like a completely natural "live" performance, but it's *not*. Truthfully, no one is that perfect. It's just not possible! So my advice? Focus on how you can develop into your own personal sound and style. Focus on what makes you unique as a vocalist, rather than trying to aspire to be exactly like these singers you hear on the radio. It's okay to make mistakes, it's okay to sound human. One of my favorite songs I've worked on has a part where the guitar player forgot the notes, stopped playing, flipped their paper to the chord chart, and then joined back in. That kind of human error honestly sounded beautiful to me, so I kept it in, and the band fell in love with it too. Some of the best older rock songs have these kinds of "errors" in it. And in a world where everything is so overproduced, sometimes human mistakes can really make a performance beautiful.

@samuellickiss8463

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexxosaurus This is a good reply. With older rock songs, I've listened to Tubular Bells hundreds of times over the years and there are plenty of mistakes in it scattered around. When you hear the story behind its production you realise why - Mike Oldfield was on an extremely tight schedule and didn't have time to do endless takes, and he's a really skilled musician. For me, I know the piece back to front and I know where all these errors are, and they're just part of it for me. Would it be better if they weren't present? Maybe (philosophical hypotheticals like this are impossible to answer properly), but I wouldn't want to change it because it's part of what gives Tubular Bells its identity. Weirdly, I look forward to the mistakes when I listen to it.

@user-bx8sj6qm3w

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, pitch shifted vocals sound terrible anyway. At least, to me.

@whitemoonwolf13

3 жыл бұрын

i... oh my god, that didn't even occur to me until i read this. i've hated my voice for YEARS never even realizing i'm trying to compare myself to an artificial level of perfection. this low key made me very emotional.

As a singer, the only issue I take with pitch correction is how it sets the bar for live singing performances waaay higher than is reasonable, because so many people don't realize it's even there most of the time. Singing without it is basically just ASKING for people to think you're a mediocre singer sometimes T.T In keeping with the makeup analogy, it's like how sometimes women will be asked if they're sick just because they didn't wear makeup, as if the way a person looks while wearing it is the default and without it they look worse than they're supposed to and something must be wrong.

@tiffprendergast

3 жыл бұрын

Greg Sonnier yup

@emilygilbert3632

3 жыл бұрын

yesss!! Completely agree! When I first started out singing, playing the guitar and songwriting I was too scared to show anyone in fear that they would compare me to a studio performance by really talented people. When i eventually found people who where into music themselves and understand how hard it is, I realised that the fear of being judged because you don't sound perfect is real, but unreasonable to hold yourself too.

@1francosvizzero

3 жыл бұрын

soooo true. i'm a singer and i totally agree. the averege listener can't accept a normal live performance. and everybody is an X factor judge nowadays. a lot of people think like they are judging the performance and they can't simply enjoyed it and feel the music. not always, but...

@krombopulos_michael

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I don't get why people even think a pristine performance is desirable. People like live performances sounding a little rough.

@dianemiles2720

3 жыл бұрын

if I want a sick day at work i just show up with no makeup and then clock out.

It really bugs me when actors get blamed for how poorly movies turn out. Even if the actor can't act, it's still the people in charge's fault for hiring them and not giving good enough direction. Even if Emma Watson couldn't sing, it wouldn't be right to bully her for it because Disney is the one who gave her the leading role in a musical. Also don't bully people in general.

@liamrichardson6830

4 ай бұрын

Don't forget people bullied Jake Lloyd (I think thats his name) into becoming a drug addict because people hated him as kid Anakin (instead of blaming the people in charge of casting) and bullied a man to the point where he almost committed suicide because some people hated Jar Jar and refused to leave it at hating the character or turing their annoyance at the people in charge of writting. I don't know what it is with people and misdirecting their annoyance and thinking its okay to go after the actors when all they did was sign a contract because they liked the scrip or wanted to get their name out there for potentially bigger roles.

Part of the appeal of folk music for me is that it is very raw compared to a lot of pop. Live tracks sound just as beautiful as the album tracks. The Lumineers for example, in their earlier albums you can hear the echos of the room they’re recording in. It gives it an authentic feel and that’s what draws me in

I'm still trying to put together the Singin' in the Rain thing. Like, the movie is about the villain getting dubbed over by a better singer, but the better singer was actually the lady who played the villain. So she dubbed over the lady who she was supposed be dubbed over by. Xzibit would be pleased by this.

@cookiemocher388

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was confused too

@trash_chan

3 жыл бұрын

"Yo, dawg... I heard you like dubbing, so I made a movie that involves a lady being dubbed over by another lady, but the other lady is being dubbed over by the lady being dubbed in the movie..."

@sallyjonesie3886

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure Sideways has got it quite correct . . . I don't think you can actually find the full information on Debbie Reynold's dubbing on the internet. But as far as I can tell, this is how it worked: 1. When Kathy Selden was dubbing the singing voice of Lina Lamont in the film scenes, Betty Noyes was dubbing Debbie Reynolds. You can tell this easily; it just doesn't look like that deep voice could be coming out of Debbie's mouth. 2. When Kathy is dubbing the speaking voice of Lina in the film scenes, it is Jean Hagen's actual voice. 3. In the songs 'All I Do', 'Good Morning' and the final rendition of 'Singin' in the Rain' (where Kathy is dubbing Lina live), it is Debbie's actual voice. You can tell this as it matches her speaking voice and sounds like her singing voice in other films in which she apparently did sing. None of that really changes the fact that it's hilariously hypocritical that it's a film about dubbing where the dubber is dubbed when she is doing the dubbing! 😂

@stinemalintobiassen2992

3 жыл бұрын

So in real life, the “hero” was actually the “villain” through the films point of view

@Asummersdaydreamer14

3 жыл бұрын

Sally Jonesie yep that’s the way I remember reading up about it. Cannot absolutely confirm since it’s been a while.

I think the real issue is that everyone is using more and more auto-tune because its sound has become the norm. So now when you hear a singer perform live without any effects, it sounds like they can't sing very well by comparison to their artificial voice. That, to me, is the biggest consequence of auto-tune. People are so used to the fake sound that a regular singing voice sounds lackluster. This is similar to how seeing someone without their makeup can make them seem ugly by comparison if you have only ever seen them wearing makeup.

@morgensheeeern

3 жыл бұрын

I think the real issue is that everyone is using more and more fire because food is no longer dangerous it has become the norm. So now when you bite raw meat without any cooking, it tastes not so well by comparison to its artificial taste. That, to me, is the biggest consequence of cooking. People are so used to the fried meat with salt that a regular raw steak tastes lackluster. This is similar to how hearing someone without their toolkit can make them seem ugly by comparison if you have only ever heard them producing music and avoiding restrictions of stupid meat human body.

3 жыл бұрын

@@morgensheeeern I mean... Raw meat can make you sick.

@footlong7980

3 жыл бұрын

@ I think they're being sarcastic... Then again maybe YOU'RE being sarcastic as well by playing along, and I myself didn't notice...

@footlong7980

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hold on. I just read it again and it seems they were actually serious with that raw steak argument. Oh wow....

@hugnboba

3 жыл бұрын

It's kind of like people being used to seeing "beautiful" social media influencers then getting disappointed if those people magically happen to have wrinkles, pores, callouses, etc. in real life. Imo humans just keep pushing standards high up that being *"real"* is going deeper down the spectrum.

My problem with pitch correction is that they use it on people who don't need it. Somehow, the industry came to think every single pitch needs to be right "in the pocket". It removes all the life and humanity out of the performance, and everyone sounds like robot. I'm especially concerned about it's use in kid's shows; children are growing up surrounded by the lifeless robotic sound of heavy pitch correction, and it could create a feedback loop resulting in generations of people who just don't know what a human singing voice sounds like.

@rdwilln

5 ай бұрын

It's cheaper than months in a studio. Studio time is very expensive. We try to get a passionate soulful performance as many times as possible, and if its slightly off we fix it rather than try to recreate it perfectly in pitch. There are accidental magic moments that are recorded from every instrument that are too good to pass up. Something that would never have been consciously written as the artist (or songwriter) was developing the song. I've seen these make an entire song sooooo much better. I think this way is vastly better than the alternative. To summarize: It allows more creative magical moments to happen, while still being affordable.

@dianab9688

4 ай бұрын

The story of technology. It giveth, but it always taketh away more.

Fascinating. I'm an old school (1970s-80s) producer/engineer that worked in this field long before the advent of auto tune and pitch correction. You'd get a singer in the studio that would typically do several takes of the song, and then you'd either pick the best bits, or 'punch-in' corrections of mistakes/bad parts; usually a combination of both. (Same would often go for guitar solos, etc.) Sometimes you could mask inconsistencies with judicious use of reverb or delay, or even flanging. You'd feel real lucky if you got a singer/players that had a lot of nightly gigging experience, as their chops would be up to par and you could expect consistent performances and also good stamina for longer sessions. The worst would be the 'bedroom singers' who had little to no experience singing nightly in front of live audiences. They would usually only have one or two strong takes before they'd fatigue, or get easily demoralized when they heard what they actually sounded like on playback, etc. It's just amazing to see how complicated and 'iffy' it has all got today with these digital crutches and enhancements as part of the palette you routinely have to work with.

@dmrfnk

Жыл бұрын

I feel the problem in general is that it is such a calculated industry. There's so much bulk pop that gets pushed to success with the power of advertising that the mainstream is too dull to follow - personally I will only turn back to have a look after years since a pop artist's initial success if it seems like there was something there worth listening to. Even if the vocals were all real it gets boring fast when your vocal melody has three notes in it, one of them being sung 80% of the time. Add to that the strive for technical perfection - if it's done well it is only void of soul, but if they rushed it you hear the autotune squeal as well leading to a rise in blood pressure. And as for the use as an effect... You don't use a bitcrusher or ring modulator for vocals just because you can either so why has auto-tune/pitch shift as effect been popular for so long?

As a show choir member and theatre major, i can confirm that you actually can give a good vocal performance while moving like that, your diaphragm just needs to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger's arms

@coagulatedsalts4711

2 жыл бұрын

you have to have a tight ass core to be able to do that. kpop idols actually spend a lot of time training actually conditioning their bodies to sing and dance somewhat.

@kimmyseon46

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of kpop idols trained by singing while running laps

@mervyngreene6687

2 жыл бұрын

Almost all of the Broadway stars of old could sing and dance. Also, I thought that sometimes the recording was done after the scene was shot.

@montgomerymontgomery

2 жыл бұрын

@@mervyngreene6687 Why only of old. Broadway singers now still need to do that.

@mervyngreene6687

2 жыл бұрын

@@montgomerymontgomery For the most part, I agree. I think the difference is that in the old days everybody had to do all of that eight or nine times a week. Without any electronic assistance. . The greats (Bernadette, Audra, Brian, Mandy) can clearly do it. Also, members of most shows' ensemble players (my favorites) can also. I am suspicious of a number of performers who are cast because of their fame in other areas. Also, I think miking musicals has lessened the experience. The sound of someone reaching the back of the theater unassisted is different from someone relying on mikes. I sometimes wonder if Ethel Merman or Gwen Verdon would be the legends if shows were miked back then.

One thing to add is that both Millie Vanillie and Rebecca Black were taken advantage of by industry execs who thought they could make a bunch of money from them. They were forced into those situations after signing contracts they hadn't realised were so predatory. And it's real sad that in both cases a lot of people piled on the artists rather than the industry shits who actually were to blame. Millie Vanillie ended up super broke and one of them developed a drug dependency and ODed. Rebecca Black continues to make her own music, but (as revealed in a fantano interview) she's still trying to work out what her actual musical voice is - having been so shaken by this childhood experience that it messed up her relationship with her art.

@qrowing

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, that sucks. I made fun of Rebecca plenty as a kid, but dang. She's not a bad vocalist by any means, she was just dealt a bad hand.

@rochellerodriguez6431

3 жыл бұрын

Rebecca was featured in a Dorian Electra song recently so hopefully she's finding a niche that suits her.

@Kebbythetraveler

3 жыл бұрын

Rebecca's feature on Edgelord is SO. GOOD. Y'all should really check it out

@EHZOLO

3 жыл бұрын

You wanna know why Rebecca Black had done Friday. Because of this girl named Alana Lee made a song called Butterflies and became popular at school so Rebecca had her parents contact the same company that Alana Lee used. How do I know this I went to the same middle school as both of them they were in 8th when I was a 7th grader. I remember our school freaking out about the school like a week before it went viral.

@mephistopheles4910

3 жыл бұрын

If I recall, Rebecca Black was not a victim being taken advantage of by a corporation. Her parents paid for her to have a song written and a music video shot which was initially a fun experience for her. The backlash from the video happened because her video was linked to a website that talked about how horrible her voice was. Not sure why over a thousand people liked this comment without doing any kind of research. The Rebecca Black thing isn't that old guys.

"No one is capable of pulling off what they do on the album" Metal vocalists: Hold my beer

@dmrfnk

Жыл бұрын

Haha double tracking having been the norm on a metal recording since pretty much day 1

@Jakeonkuningas

Жыл бұрын

They fuck up all the time. Especially the older musicians. The range isn't as wide, guitars don't sound identical the drums don't have the same sound, the bass isn't the same since the guy who originally played it used his fingers and the new guy has a pick.

@dmrfnk

Жыл бұрын

@@Jakeonkuningas TBH sounding different is what I expect from a live performance. If it's just repeating the exact same as on the recording I'll feel scammed, even if it's super technical. Gimme variations, completely redone versions, improvisation and all the mistakes that come with it.

@eyes4095

Жыл бұрын

No they don't There's lots of singing high notes an octave lower Plus, normally songs sound faster live and that changes up the vocal dynamic

@mattd6085

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a fucking bold statement to make. Loads of rock/metal/indie singers can outdo the album versions when singing live. Fuck just listen to Orestes live at Red Rocks by A Perfect Circle for an excellent demo of two singers absolutely smashing a live performance

Debbie Reynolds did some of her own singing in Singin' in the Rain. She was dubbed by Betty Noyes when the song was out of her range. If you listen carefully, you can hear her voice change from one song to the next. That's Debbie's voice live-dubbing "Singin' in the Rain" when they pull open the curtain, but Betty Noyes sings for her right afterwards in her "You Are My Lucky Star" duet with Gene Kelly. Jean Hagen only dubbed one line for Debbie Reynolds: "Nothing can keep us apart. Our love will last till the stars turn cold." She didn't sing for Reynolds at all. In the movie "My Fair Lady," Audrey Hepburn and Marni Nixon take turns singing in the song "Just You Wait." Hepburn starts the song herself, but then Nixon takes over at "One day I'll be famous, I'll be proper and prim/ Go to St. James so often I shall call it St. Jim..." (Now, in the Broadway production, Julie Andrews sang for herself, thankyouverymuch.) Nixon dubbed for lots of actresses in musicals. Another famous one was for Deborah Kerr in "The King and I". Her voice is pretty recognizable once you know what to listen for. She had a distinctive way to pronounce "you" in songs like "I Can Do Very Well Without You" (My Fair Lady) and "Getting to Know You" (The King and I). Personally, I find it a bit off-putting. Kind of like auto-tune. Marni Nixon's lesser-known soundtrack was in "The Screaming Skull," a low-budget horror movie staring Peggy Webber (96 at the time of this writing, Webber was an every-mom character actress; she was in 13(!) Dragnet episodes, no-doubt being encouraged by Jack Webb to stick to "just the facts, ma'am" in each one). Nixon sang a non-verbal descant over the movie's climactic ending to create an eerie mood. At the time she was married to the music director: Ernest Gold, so she probably worked cheap.

It's makeup not surgery. Wanna cover up that beginning pimple? Sure. Wanna go full drag queen because you like how it looks? Go ahead.

@innertuber4049

3 жыл бұрын

Eh, I think my girlfriend looks better on the days she forgets her eyeliner. I agree; anyone should feel free to wear whatever they like (though it's impossible to expect to never be judged for what you choose). However, I also think it's okay to prefer it without.

@LaSa1

3 жыл бұрын

@@innertuber4049 maybe she just has to improve her skills /s

@Jenacide

3 жыл бұрын

@@innertuber4049 I don't care if people judge me or not but some of these dudes get really crazy about it. I met one dude who got so legitimately upset about the idea of women wearing make up he started openly fantasizing about hurting them in some way and genuinely seemed to think they would deserve it for being lying manipulators. I really don't get it. Must be some kind of incel rage. Luckily most men are normal and not total psychos but I've met more of those guys than I care to have.

@innertuber4049

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jenacide I think if you're fantasizing about harming anyone, you probably have more problems than just disliking makeup

@Jenacide

3 жыл бұрын

@@innertuber4049 Do you have reading comprehension issues? I didn't say I felt this way.

I am a sound engineer specializing in live musical theatre, but with experience in almost all other areas of sound production; live concerts, concert albums, studio albums, audio-for-video, etc., etc. I have to say that this is one of the most well-researched and informative videos I've seen about my profession that I have ever seen. Despite this being an "auto-tune" video, you cover almost every aspect of sound production in a way that anyone can understand, and yet you were able to make connections for me that I had never seen before, despite years of experience in the industry. This video is truly an incredible piece of work. Many thanks for making light of a fascinating aspect of the entertainment industry that most people will never notice (and never should, if everything works).

@valeriavagapova

3 жыл бұрын

If you don't mind this question, I'm really curious how much pitch correction (if any) goes into musical theatre performances nowadays?

@sparklydino234

3 жыл бұрын

@@valeriavagapova I am also very curious about this! Would love to hear your insights.

@aaronvockley5448

3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to answer. There is, as far as I know, no pitch correction in musical theatre. At least that is true for any productions I have been a part of. The first issue is the scale of shows. There can be upwards of 20-30 actors in a large musical production, each with their own mic. You would need quite a large system to deal with each one individually. The next issue that occurs to me is the constantly changing keys in most musicals. Trying to program a system to keep up with that would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible. And finally, it's just really not necessary., The actors are incredibly well-trained and multi-talented, so the need just isn't there. In fact, I can see it actually harming the overall quality of a show, as the actors loose some control over their singing.

@nudgarrobot3043

3 жыл бұрын

Aye, from working in A/V, if anyone other than other sound engineers notices anything you're doing while you're doing it, you've not done a great job.* *Outside of intentionally upfront effects My current pool of experience comes from working in college event production, so largely audio for live music, video, and speakers (Only minor theatre items; those are handled by a separate department usually.) You know exactly what to listen for once you've worked in A/V for a time and you know what you would do if you were in the booth. Your average audience member isn't going to be listening for it, but if you are you can usually tell at least a bit of what's going on behind the curtain in terms of audio. Ideally though, things don't really get adjusted too much live. Sound checks are ideally done to set up profiles for whatever you're gonna be encountering in a given performance prior to the event itself, so if anything live adjustment is just tiny nudges anyway. (Post production audio editing is powerful as hell too but also a giant pain in the ass, though. We had a recording get corrupted at one point from a performance and had to use audio from one of our cam setups, which meant there was some chatter from the camera op to the director that I had to cut without compromising the performance's audio. That was an ordeal lmfao)

@deliquescencemusic

3 жыл бұрын

Am I mistaken; when I studied ADR and Foley, we were told they “go through the motions”, record everything, and then go back and re-record everything after the fact.......

musical theatre on stage doesn't use pitch corrector, which proves that it is possible to sing amazingly whilst dancing also i'm obsessed with your channel, like I love it! keep it up :)

@jestphoenix

Жыл бұрын

it does require specific training and a lot of endurance though

@redrubytwilightxx8700

Жыл бұрын

​@@jestphoenix yeah most pop artist aren't trained properly for it. Only a few like Beyonce and Pink are great at it constitently.

@obi_wan_knabi1435

Жыл бұрын

That’s somewhat not true. Extremely hard notes to hit like Elle Woods’s last note in “so much better” and Christine Daaé’s E6 in “Phantom of the Opera” are dubbed or pitch corrected. Many people have been known to destroy their voices singing Christine Daae’s E6 night after night, so dubbing is pretty much a necessity. But for the most part, you are correct! Most of the time live performances are given unless the note is extremely taxing on the voice. (Sorry I feel like a nerd lol, not meaning to attack or anything) :)

I always wanted to know how Beauty and the Beast ended up sounding so incredibly bad. It was my go to for bad singing. But Im glad there is some kind of explanation with why it sounds so clearly heavily edited.

"You can't sing and dance at the same time" Broadway: *offended noises*

@kenneltrained8850

3 жыл бұрын

Ordinarily, broadway singers will pause their dancing to sing instead whilst there are background dancers behind them/they will pause their singing for a dance break. There may be times when actors /are/ singing and dancing, but it probably wouldnt be long enough for them to lose their breath

@Saurawr

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenneltrained8850 Its actually a pretty sweet magic trick. Ten people are dancing, then one stops to sing, and you're looking at all the dancers still and it feels like the singer is still one of them.

@foxpokemonforever4775

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenneltrained8850 Fair. XD

@kenneltrained8850

3 жыл бұрын

@@Saurawr it really is pretty cool! I've seen a fair few live performances and its kind of surreal when you notice that the singer isn't dancing! Really makes you appreciate the magic of theater, lol :)

@polipix_

3 жыл бұрын

god I hate the “____ noises” meme

Oh so this is the musical version of "digital art is not a real art" and "you just press a button and computer makes an art for you".

@dR0L0b

3 жыл бұрын

kind of... i think that definition fits more in Electronic Music (back in the day obviously)

@actually5004

3 жыл бұрын

@@dR0L0b Not even electrical engineers would look at old school analog synths and come to the conclusion that it's anything but art though.

@warrust

3 жыл бұрын

the "special effects magic button"

@thestruggler7926

3 жыл бұрын

Yep and the argument against that is even if it's digital, you still need artistic skills to make digital art.

@memosilverman5654

3 жыл бұрын

Not really? He doesn’t complain of the use of autotune for artistic purposes (cher, Tpain, daft punk) nor the practice of making music 100% digitally. He comments of the use of melodine and how some artists act as if they are being 100% raw. A more accurate comparison would be people using filters and people acting as if it is a natural photo

I used to make props for theater and sometimes musical theater and the sound guys always got it the worst. But the Idea of a "too perfect" performance has been bleeding over into other industries. For many years after theater i helped make custom jewlery and accessories using the same skills from theater and more and more we got comments from clinets saying "Oh i dont like this its too perfect it looks fake or cheap" And often when they said this i realized i had the same kinda thought bias. Its the back lash against "plastic perfect" that is fueling the bespoke or "handmade" jewlery trends because the "rawness" means to the buyer a human with hands made this not a machine in china. And its very much the same as the auto tune thing. 99.9 of jewelers use some kind of machine or power tools. Those that dont are either doing something for a youtube channel, are historians keeping old techniques alive, or are doing it for millions of dollars a piece because it takes forever, has a high margin of error, and is largely impossible to replicate a piece to the same level at a later date.

I have a family member who listened to a production I made. She heard the part of it where I was intentionally using Autotune and got nit-picky telling me I was covering my voice up, when in reality, 99% of all the music she listens to is mixed in a production studio with pitch correction.

If folks wanna hear untouched live performances, support your small town theaters during their musical season (once it's safe to be in an enclosed space with strangers, of course)

@edba1.037

3 жыл бұрын

Covid-19: i'm gonna ruin these small town theaters career

@toribiogubert7729

3 жыл бұрын

or your local rock/metal bands XD

@FidesAla

3 жыл бұрын

Not everyone lives in a small town, though. I live in New York City. I do go to off-broadway, though, and one time I took a train to a small town in PA to see an actor from a TV show I liked in something... but I wouldn't tell other New Yorkers to do that just because Broadway makes a lot of money. See what you like, the point is to see it.

@aquablue1252

3 жыл бұрын

@@edba1.037 lmfaooooo I laughed way too hard

@agenericyoutubeaccount

3 жыл бұрын

When I was in middle school I would always see the musicals put on by the theatre department, and now that I'm in high school I do the same It's really cool to see how people the same age as me can put on stellar performances with like no pitch correction (that I know of)

I feel like so many comments are from people who read the title, but didn't actually watch the video :D

@user-gb8mb4sg7p

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@Solitude11-11

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much par for the course on KZread 🙄

@MAMware

3 жыл бұрын

is too long for shut a short tittle, i got bored at minute 5 and i could see where it was going, while i still think they could be a problem with auto tune it seems that this video covers something else, starting from history

@lekebabfrancais9018

3 жыл бұрын

@@MAMware The idea that there's this problem with Auto-tune is false. Auto-tune specifically is an artistic choice people use. Pitch correction, (what most people think of when they think Auto-tune) is used by pretty much everyone in the industry, and it's rarely noticeable, (if you can notice it, it's most likely an artistic choice). Not only that, but people do more than just pitch correction. (I think this video is the one I'm thinking about which explains this very well). kzread.info/dash/bejne/hHpqmbuxlKawlM4.html There is this weird double standard people put on the voice, even though it's just as much of an instrument as the Piano, Saxophone etc. If I were to pitch correct or add effects to any of these other instruments, no one would bat an eye, as soon as it's the voice though? suddenly I'm not talented, I can't sing, I'm covering shit up etc. Why is it a bad thing to pitch correct vocals? If it makes it sound the best it can, then I see no problem.

@3unskippableads51

3 жыл бұрын

@@lekebabfrancais9018 Because people are often over protective about their opinions and would treat them as fact. Take it from me, someone who didn't believe the truth on "where babies come from" until 7th grade.

This gives me flashbacks to the 2000s when even Imogen Heap was not safe from the people who just hated everything that sounded even remotely like Auto-Tune. It's funny because as someone who has experience with the plugin, it's actually not this magic button that just makes you sound good. You actually would have to be hyper-aware of your pitch/key, especially if you are using it live.

When Sideways was explaining pitch correction vs autotune I was thinking "So it's like makeup. Something a beauty influencer does vs me dabbing on some concealer." THEN HE USED THAT EXACT METAPHOR.

Few years ago I went to a Michael Bublé concert and at one moment he turned off the mic and asked the crowd for silence. He then proceeded to sing without a mic for around 20k people, and boy... it was amazing. I didn't even had good tickets (was really far away from the stage) and it sounded amazing.

@AllUpOns

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's the funny thing. The legitimately vocally talented people are still out there. But why bother when you can just pick a random buddy's daughter and turn them into Taylor Swift.

@BlaqRaq

3 жыл бұрын

No, no, no, what you were hearing wasn’t real. Those guys electronics are so great that it catches his voice in the air and “cleaned” it up for you. Nobody can sing perfectly, ok. They can’t sing and dance like James Brown, or MJ the great, or even Tina Turner! All those acts, wether live with/without microphone, were not real. The Jackson five, shucks, they didn’t even existed.

@BlaqRaq

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllUpOns this guy, from his presentation, doesn’t believe in talent.

@nerothos

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllUpOns I'm so tired of seeing this regurgitated narrative. Almost every single high-end pop vocalist out today is ridiculously good at singing. Also, who gives a crap? Music isn't a contest. If you enjoy vocal gymnastics - cool, good for you. Other people enjoy underground noisecore from Japan and genuinely think it's higher quality music than any "talented" vocalist. Stop pretending like there's objective truth to music. It's all just pattern matching through repetition in your brain at the end of the day.

@Frzned9x

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerothos just want to add that even musical contest on TV do pitch correction and auto-tuning.

If everyone’s pitch corrected... no one is. *evil laughter*

@Arthur-by4jh

3 жыл бұрын

pack it up, syndrome from incredibles

@the24throguecannon

3 жыл бұрын

*evil laughter autotuned*

@JeiShian

3 жыл бұрын

@@the24throguecannon Evil laughter *pitch corrected*

@TechniqueSan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but unironically. If everyone's special, then no one is special. People aren't equal and will never be.

@thefinkie6459

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is the first time I've seen this meme used in a PERFECT situation where it fully makes sense.

I just saw Kesha live on her most recent tour. She can absolutely sing. Honestly, she's a much more incredible singer than people give her credit for, so I just assume people who say otherwise probably haven't heard any of her music past 2013.

Great job explaining to these kids. I've been using "Pitch Correction" on singers way before Autotune came out. I would be mixing a song in the middle of the night and instead of trying to get the artist back in to correct a single word or so, I would use whatever wav editor I was using at the time to fix the pitch. As long as you are able to fix the pitch without changing the tempo, you're pitch correcting. Of course when Autotune came out, I used it like every other engineer/producer. But I always use it in manual mode and apply it as needed, never just turn it on and let it run through the whole song. You would never know from my mixes that it was used.

@PeterCamberwick

Жыл бұрын

I'd know. LOL

@tortis6342

Жыл бұрын

That's cool. Thanks for sharing your experience.

@nonsuch

Жыл бұрын

​@@PeterCamberwick No you wouldn't because, I only apply it to certain words as needed. You're gonna owe me money if you wanna bet on it.

@grylltheonion1255

Жыл бұрын

@@nonsuch Cocky much?

@nonsuch

Жыл бұрын

​@@grylltheonion1255 Cocky? If you wanna see it that way, go for it. I just call it truth. I know what I can and can't do. 🤷

Auto Tune can't make you sing, it either fixes tiny details or creates a new sound/ effect

@nem3sis.yt_

3 жыл бұрын

yep also if your pitch is that bad it will just be exposed you SUCK so these people can sing otherwise the autotune or pitch etc wouldnt go so smooth

@Robbedem

3 жыл бұрын

Can we expect a video about auto tune and pitch correction for Bannerlord? ;)

@ploppyjr2373

3 жыл бұрын

Of course it doesn’t sing for you but mediocre singers become great because of it.

@jonathanzimmer8143

3 жыл бұрын

@@ploppyjr2373 Not famous ones. Good singers are a dime an American Idol dozen. No label is dropping a few mil to groom you without the base skills, and singing just isn't high art. It's practically programed into our DNA, and singing can be taught.

@LikaLaruku

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you're Stuart Ashens, testing an auto tune app by singing awful on purpose, only to be shocked when it comes out sounding good.

Side note: Darth Vader was voiced by someone else without ever knowing until he heard it when the movie came out

@edba1.037

3 жыл бұрын

Rip david prowse (it's his voice originally and then JEJ dub him)

@johnathanrhoades7751

3 жыл бұрын

David Prouse delivered a stunning physical performance. Darth Vader would not have been the same with either part. Still a dick move not to tell the guy...

@aayla9982

3 жыл бұрын

David Prowse dubbed by James Earl Jones!

@Neimonster

3 жыл бұрын

@@aayla9982 Nooooooooooooooo

@aayla9982

3 жыл бұрын

@@Neimonster huh?

100%. I've been using a phrase in my own musical dissection to talk about stuff like auto-tune, "tools in a toolbox." There are a lot of choices that go into the creation of a song across all 3 crafts that are a part of it; composition, performance, and production. And I repeat myself so often just to hammer it home that none of these options/choices are bad. Layers, noise, auto-tune (the tool), compression, dissonance, whatever. I hope to get people thinking critically about *how* things are used rather than dismiss them entirely. And this video is the other side of the coin to that conversation, that sometimes these choices, these decisions, these tools being used (pitch correction, here) are done in an invisible manner. I really wish people would watch some tutorials about producing vocal tracks, just to get a little bit of an understanding just how much work goes into making those vocals on the radio sound crisp and unfiltered. I was surprised to find out that even "natural" sounding vocal tracks have so much work done on them from compression, de-essers, EQ, multitracking for width, and yeah pitch correction. Like you said at the end, there isn't any magic button to make a bad performance sound good. What we constantly hear is raw perfection and no one seems to be upset about that. On the flip side, stuff like maxing out auto-tune can be used aesthetically. And oddly enough, some people love that. You mentioned T-Pain getting flack for using it but Will.I.Am is seemingly held in high regard for his use of maxing out pitch correction and getting that robotic voice.

As a Neil Young fan, I’d love to hear his voice pitch-corrected. It would be kinda like a science experiment. And also rob all of the soul from his vocals.

@gastonyoung6391

Жыл бұрын

Lemmy entered the chat

In everyday language "Autotune" has become synonimous to audibly heavily processed vocals. That won't go away either, I guess..! xD

@sunshineyrainbows13

3 жыл бұрын

One of my biggest pet peeves!

@laartje24

3 жыл бұрын

Well at least he taught 105k people how it really is.

@qrowing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tl;dr

@Mtaalas

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with him quite strongly. I've written a long form comment as to why. Basically: it doesn't matter if it's auto tune or pitch correction or what ever, it's still bad. Pitch correction is dishonest, editing the performances (weather singing or playing guitar or what not) to be perfect to inch of it's life is literally killing the performances and if one can't pull it off, they're not supposed to be in that recording booth/studio. Either bring your effin A-game or go somewhere else. No, i'm not going to fix your crappy performance, show me you can do it! We've stopped demanding this from people whom we decide to put into the lime light and that in itself is the bad thing that's killing music.

@laartje24

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mtaalas Well yeah I also disagree with him but I do like that he explained the technicalities behind it to a noob like me so I can form that opinion.

Thank you for this. As an engineer, I’ve used autotune as an effect a lot, and it does NOT sound good if your singer can’t sing. Even with what T-Pain does, if you can’t sing, it won’t sound good. No one seems to get that.

@edba1.037

3 жыл бұрын

Are you a singer?

@HydetheRapper

3 жыл бұрын

EDBA 1.0 Yes I am. I used to suck and I’m a lot better now, and the pitch correction sounds waaaaay better now. No crazy artifacting, no annoying warbles, just smooth and clean (most of the time).

@edba1.037

3 жыл бұрын

@@HydetheRapper Are autotune different from pitch correction? I always want to know

@HydetheRapper

3 жыл бұрын

EDBA 1.0 Essentially, pitch correction is autotune without the auto part. You go through and adjust each note individually. That also gives you more control, so you can get a more “natural” sound-less robotic. Since autotune works automatically, it tends to create a more robotic sound (like what T-Pain often does).

@edba1.037

3 жыл бұрын

@@HydetheRapper oh i get it now, felt bad for t-pain i already watch his desk performance and damn he actually can sing good

My father worked in the production side of the music industry for nearly 20 years and he explained it as essentially being for artists who were basically drained from spending hours and hours in a studio and might miss a note or be slightly off-key or something, so instead of just waiting a few days for them to recover, they could just "grab" the note and pull it back on pitch. You wouldn't notice it unless it was something done deliberately. He also told me about a company that developed a similar system for use in live performances for "power signers" who were notorious for holding high notes and drawing them out - while touring and performing multiple shows a night they were often exhausted, so sometimes they needed a bit of help keeping those insane high notes on pitch.

@Chelaxim

3 ай бұрын

Considering the first Beatles album was recorded in one day you can REALLY hear the strain during twist and shout.

See I personally love it when the artist live performance strays slightly from the studio version and you get to hear those intricacies such as heavy breathing, vocal instability or sometimes off key notes. It really displays the passion, rawness behind such tracks which aren't always best conveyed in studio version.

@Lyy0n

5 ай бұрын

I feel like that can go either or. The mistakes themselves don’t demonstrate the passion, but the intention. You don’t need mistakes to be “real”

It seems like we've hit the uncanny valley of vocal performances. If you sound artificial enough to clearly not be a natural voice like Daft Punk, it's cool. If you mask the effect convincingly enoigh for it to go largely unnoticed, it's cool. Anything inbetween those two pisses people off because it's noticeable but not enough to seem intentional, and people *feel* like they are being deceived. That feeling is what makes the valley the no-no zone.

@DJ-0

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit you just explained what uncanny valley means to me, I never really understood what people meant and just assumed they meant unsettling or something but this makes so much more sense!

@callmecharlie4250

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-0 There's a few conclusions you could have come to on what uncanny valley is based on this comment, so I'm just gonna jump in and give an explanation of uncanny valley. you were somewhat correct with it meaning that something is unsettling, but it only applies to something that is close to looking realistically human but not quite there, making it creepy. Uncanny valley was a pretty good analogy to explain how people react to auto tuned music.

@shubhamdeshpande6320

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah its also the reason why dolls and robots that look too human like feel creepy

@melody3741

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a good argument if more than a vocal 5% disliked these artists lmao

@theepicawesome100

3 жыл бұрын

thank you for summarizing a 27 minute video

I never actually questioned T-Pain's singing abilities. When everyone else "found out" that he can actually sing, I was baffled. There is no way that those runs he does in his songs are purely achieved with auto-tune. Runs like that require skill and musicality.

@mandisaw

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, I only knew T-Pain from memes and On a Boat. But watched the highlight reel of Masked Singer, and damn that dude is like Motown quality. But "you gotta have a gimmick to get ahead", so I respect the hustle.

@stoked-6996

3 жыл бұрын

@@mandisaw i knew about him from clint stevens

1:29. I just realized that was what they used for 1960s Cyberman voices

as an artist/producer, this was a TREAT learning about how vocal editing is done in movies. appreciate your notes here!!

Poor T-Pain, he's probably so tired of people asking him: "bUt cAn yOu sInG wItHoUt aUtOtuNE?"

@Nathan-cr8ck

3 жыл бұрын

T, Pain.

@sebasmusician736

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nathan-cr8ck Them Pain!!

@Ashes2Ashes_Blush2Blush

3 жыл бұрын

Im sure he makes too much money to give a gotdamn lmao.

@sebasmusician736

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ashes2Ashes_Blush2Blush Oh yes, the "this artist is doing a lot of money so we shouldn't care if people treat him awful" argument

@Ashes2Ashes_Blush2Blush

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebasmusician736 🙄🤣 I meant that in the most genuine way possible but okay. Anyway I stand in my work cause at the end of the day when you are as successful as you are you realize the ignorance of others will never outshine your success. Such as Michael Jackson. He we through hell but he overcame it and still is the King of Pop today AND people STILL talk shit about him. People didn't lead to his demise, but the Doctor was. He didn't kill himself. Yes people say hurtful shit. But when you are below these people, they have no place in their mind to worry about them, they are lesser. I've worked with Demi and Dallas Lovato. I asked them how they dealt with all the shit they got from people making memes and stuff about Demi. As much as it was hurtful, they said that it made them laugh because people had no idea what they were talking about. Thus shaped my opinion of others. If I was as successful and had all that money you best believe I wouldn't give two shits about what someone said about me.🤣🤷🏾‍♀️

The autotune in Cher's Believe was used for the art of it, for the artistic effect, not to correct Cher's voice which is really cool and was really groundbreaking and innovative for the time

@randmiller88

2 жыл бұрын

That was a vocoder, it's different than autotune.

@Unberable

2 жыл бұрын

@@randmiller88 They specifically used autotune

@gabekillian2761

2 жыл бұрын

@@randmiller88 it was litterally just Autotune with the tolerance between notes set to zero

@guidomista7226

2 жыл бұрын

Shes an icon, shes a legend, and she is the moment!

@yoza7359

2 жыл бұрын

That's why everyone used it, Cher sucks haha

Unfortunately, due to KZread’s policy on narration quality, this video has been dubbed by Marni Nixon

I always loved the sound of autotune myself. I can't explain why anymore than I can explain why I love bass vocals. I just... do. Both give me tingles (one is soothing and sometimes rousing and the other... is always rousing lol)

Both Cher and T-Pain definitely used autotune like a vocoder, like an instrument or a tool to create a psychedelic sound. It’s v different from fixing vocal sections, they pushed the boundaries on purpose

@guineapiglady2841

2 жыл бұрын

Cher never used it in the '60's and through the 80's. So why is she using it now?

@IlBiggo

2 жыл бұрын

@@guineapiglady2841 She used it in ONE SONG as an effect. If she's using it routinely as "pitch correction" now is because (as explained in the video) everybody does it and people thinks you're a karaoke singer if you don't sound fake. BTW, nobody used autotune "through the '80s" because autotune didn't exist. Most people just sang well and/or recorded multiple takes until they got a good result.

@jesterfrombeyond1776

2 жыл бұрын

Calling T-Pain psychedelic doesnt sound right. 😂

@guineapiglady2841

2 жыл бұрын

@@IlBiggo I know. But still Cher....

@user-vi4xy1jw7e

2 жыл бұрын

@@guineapiglady2841 that's your response? Lol

I'm an audio engineer specializing in studio sound and, from your title, I was expecting to hate this video. I clicked on it with my eyes rolling like, "Oh great, another guy who doesn't know the difference between Auto-Tune and Melodyne making a video essay blowing hot air." But that's not what this was. This was incredibly well researched and you've explained the concepts so clearly to your audience. I really commend you for this. Auto-Tune/pitch correction is just a tool, that's it. While you can certainly clean up performances with it, it's not some magic button that will turn garbage into diamonds. That's not to say there's not some critiques we can make about the overuse of Melodyne and similar tools-because there is a lot to critique about that-but the things that people are typically mad about when it comes to pitch correction are things that just...are wrong. Because people, on a fundamental level, just don't understand what those tools are and what they do. So thank you!

@mish375

3 жыл бұрын

I think a few celebs have added to the mis-representation of auto-tune as well. I remember there was an article here in Canada on Avril Lavigne being interviewed on her first or second album back in the 2000s. She was asked why her voice is so radically different live. Her answer was that she can't hit most of the notes you hear on the album, so the producer simply autotuned her voice to go much higher than her real vocal range. Unfortunately, this interview resulted in the general public assuming that this was all auto-tune (or digitally enhancing/cleaning the vocals/compositions) was. Even though these kinds of techniques can be used in everything from filtering out unneeded noise that may have been caught in the recording, to smoothing transitions, and even vocal arrangements. I once had a co-worker who was looking at going into the field of producing so his insights were educational to say the least.

@marios1861

3 жыл бұрын

ALL AUDIO SIGNAL PROCESSING IS AUTOTUNE!!1!

@aquablue1252

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you !!! What a great comment. Very knowledgeable and so true, so many people have no idea of the difference between AT and melodyne .

@trevorloughlin1492

3 жыл бұрын

Live or even recorded none of this technology can turn "garbage into diamonds" any more than make-up can make an old lady young (think Barbara Cartland) and any attempt to do so is going to sound really weird, and also predictable because an inadequate or damaged voice is not a sufficient control input. The only way to restore a ruined voice and not be fake is to have inputs from a myoelectric collar combined with the vocals using a GAN neural network. A good test would be to get the singers of Echo and the Bunnymen and System of a Down back to their former glory. Though with further development you could make it deepfake in real time any great singer or combination-lets say Freddie Mercury combined with Roy Orbison.

@ARandomNope

3 жыл бұрын

I don't really know much about music, but this video makes sense for me. This is semi-unrelated, but I do enjoy older music instead of newer music as the newer music feels more insincere than older music, I'm still not sure why.

I never thought I'd say it but I LOVE T-Pain's voice without auto tune. He sounds like an Angel

Thank you for this video! I really did know next to nothing about the topic before watching it, and I've had some misconceptions cleared up and gained a deeper understanding. Amazing work, thank you!

They just push buttons for 6 minutes straight 2:28 Me a pianist: I feel attacked

@Caiphex

3 жыл бұрын

As a vocalist christ do I love this comment.

@jonathanrocha5274

3 жыл бұрын

I really don't understand what DJs do on live concerts. And when I go to local dance clubs I actually get mad when the supposedly DJ alters the original recording 🤣

@aaronmueller1560

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry! We also have some pedals!

@RizwanJaganiViolist

3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Rocha I feel this on a spiritual level. As a violist who does events and often has to work with DJs, I hate talking to the DJ who acts like his job is so hard -.-

@jonathanrocha5274

3 жыл бұрын

@@RizwanJaganiViolist 🤣🤣🤣🤣 But they must do something. I mean: people wouldn't hire them if they didn't do some magic we are unaware of.

Everyone in the comments keeps bringing up their favorite singers (Ben Platt, Freddie Mercury, Mariah Carey, etc.) as proof that not everyone "needs" pitch correction, that there exist these perfect unicorns who sound great every time they open their mouths, but the thing is... they're only human. Freddie Mercury got tired after a long concert. Ben Platt gets sore throats. Mariah Carey probably has days where she can't hit all of her famous whistle notes. Shit happens, and no one's going to give the same kind of performance every day. Even with pitch correction in microphones, there's still a world of difference between a live setting with a bunch of people and an unpredictable atmosphere and a perfectly controlled studio setting. No one's saying that people *never* sound good live. But people aren't perfectly tuned computers who can replicate the exact same performance every time--they're human beings, and human beings will screw up sometimes. And there's no shame in that. Edit: Wow, a lot of you guys just... didn't read my original comment *or* watch the video, did you? Yes, music has existed before pitch correction--point to me where I ever insinuated that it didn't. All I literally said is that all of your favorite performers were human beings who had off days where they didn't sound their best, and to pretend they didn't is to do them a great disservice.

@jenniferchough

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Perry was one such unicorn. He churned out a perfect vocal performance night after night for several years during Journey's nutty tour schedule. He pulled out when it was taking a toll on him mentally and physiologically, but his vocal chops never fatigued during that time. This was solely attributable to his highly-honed breath support and technique. For others, without those techniques/training, it leads to pitchiness on the stage (at least) and, at worse, developing polyps and other health issues.

@helgijonsson3537

3 жыл бұрын

Even Freddie Mercury hardly ever sang the highest notes in his music in concert. He was an absolute powerhouse of a singer but he still had his weaknesses. Acknowledging that doesn't change anyone's mind about his talents.

@KookiesNolly

3 жыл бұрын

does Mariah even hit those whistle notes anymore?

@0x6b6c6a756e6173

3 жыл бұрын

tbh we should just accept imperfect human performances rather than expect uniformized studio-like live shows

@Solo-vh9fm

3 жыл бұрын

Elisa Soh if you asked a few years ago, the answer would be rarely, but in the last couple of years she’s started using her whistle register regularly again

I think my beef isn't necessarily that people use auto-tune or pitch correction. As stated, a little correction is fine, and if you wanna add an effect to spice up parts of a song then go for it. What gets me is how the auto-tune effect is ALL I ever hear anymore. 9 times out of 10 if I turn on the radio every artist has that mechanical reverb going. Its everywhere and honestly takes me out of the music. I wanna hear vocal stylings and appreciate someone's voice. Not listen to what sounds like someone singing through a fan for 4 minutes.

@tunesquicklee

Жыл бұрын

hence why i listen to stuff from the 1920s, 40s, etc. reject modernity, embrace imperfections and old hollywood style vibrato!

@blank1387

Жыл бұрын

@@tunesquicklee omg you are so special

@tunesquicklee

Жыл бұрын

@@blank1387 i'm really not, i'm just an old man stuck in a 20 year old body. but go off i guess?

It's like telling someone who makes digital art, "Oh, you used the line tool and the undo button. That's not an authentic drawing." The tools are there to help you out and make your piece of art the best it can be.

@dvandeun

2 жыл бұрын

perfection without capturing the soul is far from perfection.

@masync183

2 жыл бұрын

@@dvandeun but autotune does capture soul lmao, a lot of people enjoy it as an effect. you can say it has no soul but that wont make the people that like it stop liking it. bjork once said that if you put soul into your music, there is soul in your music and its true.

@jonathansmith4968

2 жыл бұрын

its not "Drawing" its digital art, it is still art, but a different art, which can be appreciated in its ow right. But it is wholly different from a pencil drawing (I'm not even claiming one is better than the other). But if you use your computer to produce faux pencil drawings then fans of authentic pencil art drawn with real physical pencils will likely be upset -especially if the use of the computer is "hidden" or not disclosed. In the same way, some people appreciate "singing" as a the natural sound of a voice, - and just like we idolize the most athletic person for reaching the pinnacle of human speed - people idolize singers for reaching the heights of the human voice. And these people will be upset if they find out the performance was enhanced through some sort of technology (steroids for athletes or auto-tune for singers)

@I3rigand

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansmith4968 In general I think people complaining about those other things are also wrong, and all the complaints about genuineness come off as shallow elitism from fans

@jonathansmith4968

2 жыл бұрын

@@I3rigand here is a hypothetical situation (just curious on where you stand), what if an AI algorithm could produce awesome sounding music (we're getting close) - no singer, instruments, etc.. involved - just 100% synthesized by the computer? Now, the music is awesome, but is it art? Is the person who pushed the button an artist?

the most annoying thing is when people call any effect they hear on the vocals "autotune," like no actually thats just Equalisation, compression, distortion and reverb

@darkfool2000

2 жыл бұрын

That's just details most people don't care about. When most people say auto-tune, they don't mean it the same way you seem to do. They really just mean that it's been altered in a noticeable way. If the average person can tell that it's been altered, then the alteration wasn't done right.

@kizzyharris3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkfool2000 sure but that's what they're saying: people say every effect is auto-tune when it isn't, its just musical effects.

@darkfool2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@kizzyharris3727 I think you're missing my point. It's pedantic to complain that people are misusing jargon like auto-tune. Most people don't know and most people don't care, because for most people it does not matter at all. I could say that I dislike a song because of auto-tune, and you would go "actually that's pitch distortion" and it literally wouldn't matter because the meaning I would be ascribing to auto-tune, is not the same one you would be using. This isn't a conversation between sound engineers where that distinction would be useful, and outside of that sort of context, it doesn't matter.

@kizzyharris3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkfool2000 okay? That doesn’t change that what they’re complaining about ISNT auto tune loo

@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine

2 жыл бұрын

@@kizzyharris3727 It matter because unless the conversation is happening between sound engineers what they're complaining about IS autotune. Because to them autotune is a shorthand for modifying a singer vocals.

This is a fantastic video. Something that no one gets about autotune/pitch correction is that it only fixes pitch. As a music producer, I can tell you that tone, timber, and phrasing will still sound bad if you can't sing. Autotune/pitch correction will actually make a bad vocal performance sound worse. It really is just the icing on the cake.

@andeggbreaks

3 жыл бұрын

A very good point

@vinex19

3 жыл бұрын

And still in some genres I would prefer non of that icing.

@craigstephenson7676

3 жыл бұрын

YOU’RE RUINING THE TIMBERRRR

@cbj4sc1

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who sucks at singing, and still tried with pitch correction. You're 110% right

@PeterLawrenceYT

3 жыл бұрын

Timber, lmao.

That's why I love and appreciate opera, and classical recitals, it's the real deal.

@pc_buildyb0i935

2 ай бұрын

Except, y'know, opera singers use AutoTune

@luisescamilla3344

8 күн бұрын

@@pc_buildyb0i935 you are dumb, opera singers in a theater don't even use microphones, how can they possibly use autotune, you really don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

This was interesting and educational, thank you. I actually started to frown, thinking that if I ever record music I don't want pitch correction, and had to stop and think why I felt that way. You're absolutely right about the attitude, but I think it's unconsciously ingrained because consciously I don't think ill of anyone who uses pitch correction but the idea stung my pride.

Whats weird is T Pain has a beautiful voice naturally, very full and resonant. The auto tune was an artistic choice, not a crutch

@justinechaine5679

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, people complained about when Taylor Swift used autotune on her Reputation album, while she was going for a style, a hip-pop kind of Idea for a lot of the songs. And does that mean she's a bad singer? Hell no it doesn't. There's examples of her singing without mics and she sounds so godly. And like someone else said, a lot of times these singers ARE great and don't need it. Someone else I saw said that sometimes voice modulation can take out beautiful aspects of a natural voice. That makes me feel great about my voice, as it is not perfect but unique and only thanks to that, and melodic as heck when at it's best

@piotrmalewski8178

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, keep rationalising it to yourself why you like extremely simplitic and unskilled music.

@quirkyblackenby

Жыл бұрын

@@piotrmalewski8178 did you watch the video?

@FoxyllAkora

Жыл бұрын

@@piotrmalewski8178 No one will judge if you just say "I don't like music that sounds electronic" or "I don't like that kind of style" but you had to go and insult a musical style. Where's your platinum record, then? Where do you teach musical theory? If you're going to have that hot of a take you better have some toes in the water.

@piotrmalewski8178

Жыл бұрын

@@quirkyblackenby I did. The author might be right when it comes to artistic choices, but the sole existence of autotune as a tool that is used to actually fix someone's poor performance shows the criticism has a ground. A good performer who regularly trains, doesn't make errors, even when singing pieces much longer and more difficult to perform than an average pop song.

"you can't give a good vocal performance while dancing" *musical theatre actors laughing*

@thepeturtle7592

3 жыл бұрын

idk, have you ever seen a musical?

@DassMorris

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepeturtle7592 seen and been in. You learn how and when to breathe.

@levicel

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's more accurate to say "You can't get a polished vocal performance a la a studio while dancing." Live performances are good in a different way and as such he cites that people enjoy the "rough", live version. Rough being something the masses have come to expect when hearing live music. There are many people who enjoy the live renditions of a musical versus the studio version - myself included- but this only further adds to his point that a performer can perform their role better at the cost of their vocals and that trying to lipsync to a perfect, polished vocal track better would come at the cost of their performance.

@ayushagarwal1342

3 жыл бұрын

MJ?

@FosukeLordOfError

3 жыл бұрын

I think Star kid has been doing a good job of recording live performances and putting them together into enjoyable videos

I love you bringing up Singing in the Rain, because that was and is a favorite most of my life. Learning the dubbed loopdiloops they went through was a mindfuck

This video is absolutely fascinating- the 2017 BATB has bothered me for ages, but knowing and seeing what they did with the music, what they did in blending and messing up musical takes… Legit thank you for making this and for everything else on your channel.

re singin' in the rain: lets not ALSO forget that the sounds of Debbie Reynold's tap dancing was also dubbed (by Gene Kelley) bc she couldnt do that either. The premise of that movie was SO ironic given how much of Debbie's performance wasn't hers.

@TheHomerowKeys

3 жыл бұрын

Debbie Danced her ass off in that movie. Have you watched it? "Not her performance" good lord.

@archery411

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHomerowKeys just dancing the choreography and actually having to physically tap dance are 2 completely different challenges. Tap dance is not just dance, but also an acoustic, musical performance as well. She did not have to worry about producing the percussion required of tap dancing, she just had to mimic the right steps w/o worrying too heavily about the proper technique. So no, the performance was not entirely hers.

@OTLCellartapes

2 жыл бұрын

what we'd have to do nowadays though is sample one tap of the shoe and then draw the whole routine out on a grid and then wonder for ages why we can't get it sounding natural and flowing

Sideways: "No one can sing a perfect song in one take." Israel Kamakawiwo'ole's Over the Rainbow: "Allow me to introduce myself."

@JMnyJohns

3 жыл бұрын

And my friend, Ray Charles

@JMnyJohns

3 жыл бұрын

And my friend, Ray Charles

@ecgrey

3 жыл бұрын

Freddie Mercury, Show Must Go On

@danielf3623

3 жыл бұрын

Y . . you mean that one where he forgot half the lyrics and just riffed on the few he knew because it was 3AM when he recorded it?

@tortis6342

3 жыл бұрын

Justin Bonitz! Also known as Hungry Lights.

Great video! You really changed my perspective.

You just got my respect for representing Kesha like that. She's an amazing singer and it's time people recognize that, her new stuff is amazing!

"No one said a thing about her performance in Noah" Well no one saw Noah.

@cariri12

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@yaretzigarcia2465

3 жыл бұрын

I did! And i loved it! In the scene he was showing made me cry and i felt all the emotion coming from her! In the scene she is Noah from the arcs adopted daughter who just had twin daughters which where his biolagical son and noah wants to kill them because in the first place he didnt want her pregnant because he wanted for humans to end because of their sin he had previously told her that if they were boys he would let them survive but if they were girls he would kill them... Thats why she was crying and holding her kids. It was so sad and emotional!

@Jenacide

3 жыл бұрын

Also why would they? It's not a musical as far as I am aware of, and it's just a woman singing to her kid right? And she's way back in bible days. Why would anyone expect any sort of polished performance from that character in the first place it doesn't fit with the movie. Unless I just totally misunderstood what he was saying there. I've never seen Noah and I'm sort of guessing from that tiny clip

@CarrierOfChaos617

3 жыл бұрын

I think I've seen it before

@kjl3080

3 жыл бұрын

i did, just to spite the people who said it isn't realistic to the bible bitch, it's a artistic work, if it ain't different it's boring

My issue with beauty and the beast is about how the heavy editing takes me out of the emersion of the movie. The vocals are so heavily edited that it makes it hard to be part of the world for a minute.

@amypatterson7395

3 жыл бұрын

It's ESPECIALLY noticeable in the "Belle" number, too - Emma's stuck following up flipping record-breaking Tony Award Winner AUDRA MCDONALD who they gave the new opening song to, AND the terrible sound editing (or whatever they did, frankly I'm still not entirely convinced she wasn't pitch-corrected). And in the same song, the ensemble is ABSOLUTELY KILLING their performances. I'm sure they were all pre-recorded as well, but even with the exaggerated affectations some of them do, they're all just totally blowing her out of the water. Whatever editing they did to Emma made her sound flat and lifeless, but she really just wasn't able to hold her own in a musical like this anyway. I say that as someone who thinks that Emma Watson would literally be the PERFECT Belle... in a non-musical version of Beauty and the Beast.

@isyoursheepwireless

3 жыл бұрын

@@amypatterson7395 Of course Emma was pitch corrected, and Audra McDonald was too.

@icybeverage9276

3 жыл бұрын

The idea of tuning something implied to be a bit more medieval or fairytale type to the point where it sounds like a pop song just feels a little tonally dissonant. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that glamor and robotic feel, but watching a woman in a bodice and old fashioned wear sing it out feels off.

@StRanGerManY

3 жыл бұрын

@@isyoursheepwireless but there is a huge difference. Audra correction is barely noticeable, while Emma sounds terrible and liveless. I don't have a problem with autotune in 2 cases: it's not noticeable, or it is used in full effect, like daft punk. In case with Emma and thousands of Pop stars, when they use auto tune on medium, they fall into uncanny valley to me. They are sound robotic but not robotic enough, and it's absolutely terrible

@sweatyskeleton7390

3 жыл бұрын

The best part of that movie is "Roughly the size of a baaaaa-HAAAARGE"

"I want much more than this provincial li-ife" I can't unhear that.

The energy you maintain in your videos is amazing. I've watched this video before, I don't really care either way about the actual information, but I'm 20 minutes in and still enthralled.

@gevansmd1

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's called amphetamines. :)

@GoofRebelMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@gevansmd1 actually, a lot of it was recorded two months earlier. Then he took the best parts from the different versions and spliced them together to make the final cut. Also, anytime he cut away to film footage etc, it was bc there was difficulty syncing the used voice recording to the lips in the video.

T-Pain: Hey guys, I can actually sing. T-Pain: *_Sings beautifully_* The guys: Ummmmm... according to my absolutely massive gigabrain you can't because otherwise you wouldn't use autotune in your music. I know I'm right about everything, you don't have to tell me. 😊

@BanditOMG

3 жыл бұрын

I loved finding out that it was really just an effect cause it sounded cool/was the theme when he was making music. I was on that train of like "Damn people can just do anything now cause autotune does it for you" and boy I was so happy to find out his voice is just fucking magnificent.

@xcx000

3 жыл бұрын

your cupcake pfp 😭

@stargacha2453

3 жыл бұрын

omg ur gigabrain

@someonessidechannel1485

3 жыл бұрын

With the direct comparison between T-Pain and Daft Punk all I can think of is "~~its the _racism~~"_

The phase is inverted in the Luke Evens interview, it’s silent through my mono speaker

@calebhughes975

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely thought it was meant to be a joke at first until he started talking about the content of the interview.

@SirLightfire

3 жыл бұрын

I thought this was a bit trippy. I'm listening on my phone, which has top and bottom (left and right in landscape) speakers. I was like "why does it suddenly feel like my phone is behind my head" Edit: perhaps it was a subtle attempt at preventing being smote by the copyright Gods? (if they combined the L&R audio channels so there's less processing needed to be done on the video. Then all that the neural net would "hear" is silence)

@whoami2455

3 жыл бұрын

thats why it sounded so weird

@kingoftherevolution4855

3 жыл бұрын

oh is that a thing. my right speaker broke so I turned my PC to mono, and it's impossible to hear him. definitely thought he was doing a bit.

@jmitzenmacher5

3 жыл бұрын

Max Haupt Yeah, mono is both sides combined. When they are exact opposites they cancel out.

Even though this video's about 1,5 years old now I just wanted to drop a quick thank you. It was interesting, engaging, I learned something from it and it was a nice change of perspective for me.

An unedited vocal performance shows the imperfections that make it real. Painters often meticulously add believable imperfections to what they paint, which gives photo realistic appearances. Keeping the vocals with imperfections and all in emotional heavy scenes like the Oscar winners is what draws the realism. I guess the key is to create meticulous imperfections to only strike realism and not simply those which are far to distractingly bad.

“No neckbeard, it’s an Effect” Dammm Sideways

Boy do I love his very accurate references to makeup. He just drops the "it is like nude makeup" like it's nothing.

@williamhood7548

2 жыл бұрын

It would be more like of a beauty influencer did a live performance of her world-renowned skin-care routine, only for it to turn out it was just thick makeup the whole time.

@johanmetreus1268

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamhood7548 , better comparison would be post-shot photoshopping.

@whatskraken3886

2 жыл бұрын

because it is nothing lol

@gildanonofyabiznez6430

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatskraken3886 ???

@whatskraken3886

2 жыл бұрын

@@gildanonofyabiznez6430 literally everyone who is anyone knows what nude makeup is

I was building music studios and working as a sound engineer in the late 90s and early 2000s. When we first got our hands on Antares Autotune it blew our minds and opened up so much potential. Both from a technicians and an artists point of view. But I predicted that there will soon be an explosion of overuse and others (like myself) will learn to implement it in a subtle way so it will just enchance the recording process unnoticed. The other thing I saw coming was the controversy it would cause, especially as with enough computing power this could be used in real time. I think I nailed it :P Great video, keep up the great work! Greetings from Germany.

"You can't dance like that and sing at the same time." Musical theatre kids and kpop stans unite No, but really. This CAN be achieved, but you have to train for it which is why people do so many rehearsals to make sure the sound is lined up with their breathing. This is also achieved by them only putting the emphasis on certain moves to help the audience feel the music, but not take so much of their breath away.

@anni1348

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can learn to control your breath while dancing and singing simultaneously. But even kpop Idols get out of breath while dancing these rough routines, so they also use the backtrack and and pitch correction on certain parts while they also just sing live on other parts, like BTS. It's an unrealistic expectation to think artists never get out of breath while dancing and singing. And at least at the end of their performance you can see and hear the idols heavily breathing and being exhausted, which is totally fine, they are just humans as well.

@declanwatkins6450

Жыл бұрын

You should see Bono on U2’s “Zoo TV” and “Popmart” tours he’s got unbelievable breath control to be working the stage and singing like that

@anni1348

Жыл бұрын

@LUNARIS Can't you read? Kpop groups use the back track or lip sync on certain parts of their song (when choreo is more intense) while they sing other parts live. Kpop Artists use A MIXTURE OF BOTH, singing live and backtrack. Have seen these exhausting chores? It's absolutely delusional to expect from these artist to sing and dance flawlessly, while they have these intese choreos, so of course do they rely on the lip sync, not entirely but at some parts. And it's absolutely fine that they use lip sync at some parts!

@anni1348

Жыл бұрын

@LUNARIS Kpop Fans do know and accept that Kpop Idols use Lip Sync at CERTAIN PARTS of the Song, I already explained it. 😂 You!, obviously don't accept that there's a valid reason for that, they don't use lip sync because they're lazy or bad singer or whatever you think. There is a understandable reason for using lip sync at some parts of the song. Like it's totally ridiculous to expect Kpop Idols to dance exhausting dance routines while singing live flawlessly the whole time, so they use a mixture of singing live and backtrack/lip sync when the choreo gets intese. So it's absolutely fine to use lip sync, it doesn't make the artist a bad person or a bad artist, you don't get it. 🤦😂

sideways: T-Pain is a better singer than you or I will ever be me: *scoffs* T-Pain: *does that thing* me: oh, he's right

@hans-joachimbierwirth4727

3 жыл бұрын

Except he's not.

@hugnboba

3 жыл бұрын

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 ok but I don't know you but millions of people know and love T-Pain and his work.

@hans-joachimbierwirth4727

3 жыл бұрын

I am not impressed. I am not even interested. I just don't take that people who never heard me sing make up claims about my skills and their limits.

@mikaeleugh546

3 жыл бұрын

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 he’s half joking, i don’t understand why you wasted energy to respond to this comment when you know any statement like that isn’t said as a fact

@Kottkumgen

3 жыл бұрын

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Dude. Come down from your high horse and don't get mad about what a guy on the internet may or may not have said about your singing. He wasn't talking to you specifically.

"If a tree falls in the woods and someone autotunes it, does it make a sound?" Yes, booOOoOoOooOoo00OomMmMmm

@perox9695

3 жыл бұрын

I can hear this comment. Also, "boom" in dutch is a literal translation of the word "tree"

@possums154

3 жыл бұрын

i read that boom in the tune of the "aaaAAAAaaAAAHHHH" from frozen 2

@Jolgeable

3 жыл бұрын

@@perox9695 So that was an accidental win. XD

@organicio

3 жыл бұрын

Autotune the woods

@JZ909

3 жыл бұрын

I have never before seen such mastery of the written English language.

"You cannot give a good vocal performance while you're dancing. You're gonna run out of breath." *Cries in Show Choir Trauma*

Autotune makes all songs sound so similar. And that's why it's popular. The brain likes the same thing. The same thing, over and over again, stifles creativity.