It's probably because their army wasn't necessarily bad, but pretty ineffective against an enemy that used hit and run tactics. You can see in the battle of Hoth that the Rebel Alliance wasn't nearly as effective in a full scale ground battle.

@lukedalton

Жыл бұрын

Still Hoth was a total strategic defeat for the Empire as the Rebels were capable of escape with their leadership intact and great part of their resources and later join their fleet

@jbz4788

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s one of the reasons the rebels were successful. They didn’t really *have* to win any battles. Just sneak around and blow stuff up and not get caught. Any cells that did get caught could just scatter before the Empire could manoeuvre forces into position to crush them.

@DetectiveLance

Жыл бұрын

@@lukedalton Which was still a failure on the Navy and not the Army, which accomplished its objective of taking the ground facilities while the Navy failed utterly in its blockade of the planet.

@schroder1972utrecht

Жыл бұрын

They should have build Thrawn's interceptor in bulk than The rebel's militairy would have been annihilated

@jacopofolin6400

Жыл бұрын

Yes kinda the american army in Afghanistan

The problem with this is they started the massive forces during the clone wars, not during peacetime. The basic transition was in changing from clones to volunteers/conscripts.

@Revenante_of_Asylum

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. The massive forces started in the Clone Wars in response to the droid armies, but in maintaining those numbers and even expanding some, they did transition to new ships and vehicles as well, which were *not* tailored to the Rebels.

@bunch1

Жыл бұрын

It's not about the size of the military nor who is serving in the role of soldier/sailor. The Empire is a military dictatorship and something like 0.1% of their population would be more then reasonable. Coruscant alone has a population of 1 trillion and 0.1% of that is still 1 billion potential soldiers/sailors and with 25,000 ISD with a crew of nearly 37,000 each that is still only 925 million, meaning every other planet in the Empire only needs to contribute to smaller ships and the Army personnel. The problem is that they actively scrapped the GAR and CIS ships and equipment as seen in Jedi Fallen Order. They couldn't just pull out a couple thousand Venators or Munificents out of storage and load them up with tens of thousands of vulture and ARC fighters to deal with the threat, no at-te or hellfire droids for the army either. Hell, they didn't even bring back old designs that were proven, instead insisting on spending years creating new models and production techniques.

Also a note (this may be "Legends" But its my head-canon & I'm sticking to it) Thrawn was opposed to the Death Star. He felt it was a waste of resources. He preferred more destroyers, and had a plan he submitted to Palps. Too bad Paps didn't heed his advice.

@Spud1189

Жыл бұрын

I think thats canon too. His plan was to create more tie defenders to counter the rebels but Governor Pryce caused its downfall. Also in the first canon Thrawn novel he voiced his concerns for the Death Star when he found out about it.

@repzgaming5

Жыл бұрын

He was opposed to it even in canon. It is revealed in an episode of Rebels

@Spectacular_Insanity

Жыл бұрын

If they put those resources into building Carrack-class light cruisers and Lancer-class frigates, the Rebel Alliance would have been crushed. The Empire lost so many battles because they lacked adequate support and picket ships and had subpar point defense systems.

@mjk9388

Жыл бұрын

@@Spectacular_Insanity I think adding some type of lighter/cheaper version of the Interdictor Cruiser to stop the Rebels from going into hyperspace would have also helped. That combined with your Carrack-class light cruisers and Lancer-class frigates would have made for a very powerful combination. Also, adding TIE Defenders squadrons to that mix would've helped a lot too.

@roguerifter9724

Жыл бұрын

As much as I love frigates in general, and as someone who grew up reading novels where the protagonists often commanded frigates plus often commanded them in games I like them a lot, I hate the Lancer. IMO no Star Wars warshp that size should lack turbolasers. Yes I get that's its main role is to repel fighters but IMO it should have enough anti-ship weapons to at least be able to hurt something in its size class. I'll take a DP20 over a Lancer if I need an anti-fighter warship any day.

A hammer was used where a scalpel was needed to win, the rebellion had to use a dagger because that's what they had on hand

@vegeta002

Жыл бұрын

_"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail"_ ~Abraham Maslow.

@fguocokgyloeu4817

Жыл бұрын

A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords at dawn.

I feel like part of the Empire’s military failures does fall on their officers (not just because they are constantly being choked by Vader). The Imperial officers are incentivized to work for their own personal gain instead of what would be best for the unit or Galactic Empire as a whole. It’s like the Empire had more officer like Sobel than Winters.

@robertnelson9599

Жыл бұрын

Sith ideology does not work for a conventional military.

@indianajones4321

Жыл бұрын

@@robertnelson9599 facts

@Revenante_of_Asylum

Жыл бұрын

Like how Cadet Jabba sabotaged one of his fellow students during a test for zero reason or gain, and was *commended* for it by his teachers. If this attitude of advancement at the cost of others weren't instilled in their officers since the academy, I doubt the likes of Konstantin would jeopardize Thrawn's plans for the chance of a glorious kill (thus dooming himself and his crew).

@indianajones4321

Жыл бұрын

@@Revenante_of_Asylum exactly!

@alessiodecarolis

Жыл бұрын

But this was typical of Siths ' mindset, chronical backstabbing disorders were literally engraved in their souls, remember how many times the Jedis were on the verge of being destroyed by their ancestral enemies....and suddenly these started to fight btw them! Such a suicidal attitude is very common in dicatorships, think only how petty rivalries and irrationalities mined Nazi Germany's or Imperial Japan 's forces. P.s.about the Puma, recently the WHOLE group send to a NATO excercitation ....ended Kaputt for mechanical failures😜

Your reference to the Sherman tank is a good analogy. Germany built larger and more powerful tanks and its Tiger tank was enormous, with heavy armor and weaponry---but it was unreliable and prone to breakdowns. The allies built midsize tanks but more of them and also relied on airpower and artillery support, which gave them the upper hand on the battlefield.

@leudast1215

Жыл бұрын

With respect all ww2 tanks were unreliable. The US just produced enough spare parts and enough trucks and ships to get their parts to the front. Germany did not and relied too heavily on (bombed) railways. That reliance on railways also caused problems with tank movement since PzVI and PzV were too fat for most rail tunnels. Sherman was built to fit underground rail tunnels that is why it's so narrow and tall.

@fguocokgyloeu4817

Жыл бұрын

@@leudast1215 Unreliable by modern standards sure, but a Sherman tank was reliable by the standards of the time, easy to repair, and had plenty of spare parts. There were also more shipped than needed for the combat units so a crew from a burned out tank could just get in a new tank instead of getting handed rifles and having their tank training wasted as infantry.

@Engine33Truck

Жыл бұрын

@@leudast1215 most German tanks were far more unreliable than their Allied counterparts. German tanks tended to be over engineered, which made supply and maintenance more complicated. The more moving parts you have, the higher probability of a breakdown you have. German tanks were also built with heavy use of slave labor, who had a tendency to actively sabotage the vehicles they were building. Yes, the Allies did have a better infrastructure, built more spare parts, and tried to incorporate as many common parts they could so that one part might be on multiple different vehicles, but also the Sherman was a much simpler design. It’s simplicity created easier maintenance and less parts to break

@Aeonearies

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I’d debate the topic that Germany suffered from overengineering as that happened later in the war. Before 1944- the German’s engineering was actually quite good. Pz 2-3s were really great at what they were supposed to do; breakthrough maneuvers and infantry support, whist Pz4-6 (Tiger 1s) were used as anti-armor and fortification. What Germany suffered from was the lack of a proper logistical infrastructure, something that’s happening to Russia right now. The Germans could rarely get fuel to the front lines, more less basic supplies and necessities needed by the rest of the army. In fact, the majority of the German Wehrmacht relied on horses for transportation. Their tanks were adequate for their time, which I don’t see as the problem to why the German Army failed. It’s just the logistical mess of Germany, and more specifically Hitler and Company’s insistence of large projects instead of attempting to fix their logistics lines. The analogy to the Sherman was a good one, yes I’d admit. But pretty much every other nation was doing it too; Germany had Ausf variants for their Panzers, Russia kept making upgrades to the T34, and so did Britain with their myriad of tanks. Personally, I’d compare the Empire to Russian post 1980s, where they had all these super platforms embellished in propaganda to try to scare away competing nations, but when it comes time to actually fight, their performance is sluggish.

@MrGeorocks

Жыл бұрын

One of the other reasons that the US built midsize tanks and didn't really field heavier tanks was the limitations imposed on them by the maximum lifting capacity of the cranes used to load the ships on the dockyards. I think it was around 40 tons, so everything built had to be limited by this. A lot of the Shermans you see have these hooks built on the upper structure and these were the lifting points for loading the tank. It was recognised as a potentially serious limit but replacing the cranes with bigger capacity ones to allow for larger tanks and other vehicles would have been such a problem that they just continued to use the midsized tanks since they were good enough already. There is a really good book called The Guns of War, which is the semi autobio of a Canadian FOO during the days after Overlord and he talks about the organisation of Allied arty support and how the Germans just couldn't understand that the rapidity and intensity of Allied bombardment wasn't down to an Allied secret automatic 25 pounder but to the organisation of the artillary so that a single FOO could call on troop, company and brigade level support.

The Republic was crumbling when the Empire replaced it. Even if Palpatine hadn't manipulated events to create the Clone Wars, there would have been an inevitable civil war between the outer rim and the core. When the Empire rose to replace the Republic its primary goal was to restore order, and the easiest way to do that was through intimidation and centralization of power. The very heart of the Tarkin Doctrine was to cow rebellious worlds into submission which is why the Empire needed lots of large, intimidating Star Destroyers to project their power. As you correctly pointed out, it wasn't a sustainable model and it spread their forces too thin, so when the Rebels began to coordinate their efforts with hit-and-runs strikes the Empire couldn't respond quickly or effectively.

@TheSchultinator

Жыл бұрын

You're ignoring that the Sith were pulling the strings from the shadows to destabilize the Republic, spark the Clone Wars, and use them to take over. "Restoring Order" isn't a motive when you created the disorder.

The republic also had the huge advantage of a Jedi core. If you look at the STOR light side trailer you can see how deploying a few Jedi to work with the local militias could make holding onto sparse frontier regions an utter nightmare for an invader. A few settlers with blasters is something you expect, a few settlers with blasters supporting a lightsaber wielding hero unit, that can kill you with there brain… Um that’s different. run away run away.

@thebighurt2495

Жыл бұрын

Plus Old Republic Jedi were officially military personnel, not Peacekeepers. They actually studied strategy, regularly practiced combat and were already integrated into the command structure.

@richardscathouse

Жыл бұрын

The jedi were mainly drug addicted shut-ins

@Assassin5671000

Жыл бұрын

Ehh a few turbo lasers from space will fix that or etleast leave severely injure them . Tanks could also do the trick if they catch them off guard . There are many ways to deal with the Jedi and there really aren't that.many masters that can do some super over the top stuff that can get them out

@frankdees507

9 ай бұрын

@@Assassin5671000True. The battle of Geonosis destroyed practically all jedi there, without a single force user assisting the battle droids in the fight

The TIE fighter was so cheap because it was incomplete. Nevermind not having shields, life support or a hyperdrive. It didn't even have landing gear. It could sit on it's wings but it wasn't supposed to be landed this way, being launched and stored in racks.

@forrestpenrod2294

Жыл бұрын

TIE fighters outperform Rebel fighters in the original movies. Its only in the EU that they become the T34s of space.

@enoughothis

Жыл бұрын

@@forrestpenrod2294, to be fair Rebel tactics were TERRIBLE! In a New Hope there was no fighter cover for the bombers at all. The X wings should have been flying behind and above the bombers and then swooped in when the TIEs attacked, basic tactics since WW II.

@santymartin7383

Жыл бұрын

@@forrestpenrod2294 the t34 was better than most german tanks

@Attaxalotl

2 ай бұрын

@@santymartin7383 No it was NOT. Panzer IIIs and even early IVs (which had these awful low-veolcity guns more akin to a really big mortar than a proper tank cannon) destroyed them in droves. And then a lot of them weren't even destroyed in combat, but abandoned when they ran out of ammo, or gas, or couldn't get the spare parts they needed. I mean, it clearly worked well enough (The Allies won) but the T-34 was NOT this unstoppable war-winning brick of stalinium they make it out to be.

It is because the Rebel Alliance relied on guerrilla warfare, sabotage, infiltration and many unsavory things like how Luthen Rael did in order to fight against the Galactic Empire.

In fairness to the empire, they were trying to correct their mistakes from the clone wars, which in turn meant they were more equipped to slug it out with a massive horde of canon fodder like what the CIS used, and they didn’t exactly have other recent wars to learn from, and by the time they realized the rebellion’s guerrilla tactics could actually cause them problems, it was too late

Simple answer: because a big army built on intimidation, fear, superior firepower and conventional war isn’t that great against a small force that uses hit and run attacks, guerrilla warfare, and winning over the hearts and minds of the common people

@lukedalton

Жыл бұрын

you forgot: created to look scary but in reality very inefficient

@90skidcultist

Жыл бұрын

Or plot armor was not on the Empire’s side…😕

@nooneatall8072

Жыл бұрын

@@90skidcultist Nah ... big huge powerful militaries have quite often had trouble defeating opponents using "asymmetrical" warfare. No plot armor needed.

@90skidcultist

Жыл бұрын

@@nooneatall8072 Yah... Keyword is "often", too. And let's not make comparisons to real life, here. Like how the ISD is like a 19th century "battleship" and a step backwards. Which is factually incorrect. It was meant as a do-all Star Destroyer and carried more Starfighters than nearly all other ships in the galaxy. At the time, at least. Plus, the Empire still had other cheaper carriers to call from. Venator isn`t a god ship, and the Empire could afford the crew cost and logistics of the SD. It DID control a whole galaxy, after all. Victory Star Destroyer, which are more numerous than ISDs, should have been used to hunt down Rebels. While supported with smaller craft. The Empire had 100s of millions of other smaller military ships to call on. They actually were beating the Rebellion as well! A fact that this channel leaves out. The Rebellion was roughly 7%, not 1% like he had said, of the Empire`s military. They had the tools to deal the rebellion. In Legends, the Imperial Civil War is how they lost the Galactic Civil War. The Rebellion just snowballed from there. And I`m tired of people shitting on ISDs. The ISDs were actually great ship, not much could stand against a Victory 2. Let along an ISD2. If supported, they are pretty much unbeatable. As Thrawn has shown us. They were even being used 140 years later, in legends. Even the New Republic kept building them. The Venator was redundant, and you have Ton-Falks that can do the same thing, at a cheap price. In theory, an ISD could even carry more starfighters than the smaller Venator. Not like there weren`t any modded ones out there, because there were. The young Empire was still building up its military and never reached its potential. It just was focused on modernizing its capitals ships first. Even though it produced more of literally EVERYTHING ELSE. Like lancers and Vindicators/Enforcers. The 25,000 SDs/ISDs, also don`t really add up. For one, it is not clear if it counts the Vics, BCs, or Gladiators. it also seems extremely low for a Galactic wide Empire. Even if it had millions of other ships to use. Can build two Death Stars, but only 25,000 ISDs? And the Empire has quadrillions of citizens. Outnumbering the Imperium of Man. Several times over. A fleet of 1 billion ISDs would require a total crew of about 37 trillion beings, for comparison. Leaving out the other crafts they should also have in the billions. If they don`t already...

@JeroenDoes

Жыл бұрын

Also. The empire did most recruitment for the rebels. Shoot a person. Congrats now you have several family members and friends that hate the empire!

Just as I finished your last video of why the Navy hates the Army. Good to see another 8+ minute video and not a short. Thank you Allen!

I only wish Jakku was three or four years after Endor rather than one. Even a fast collapse on a galactic level should take years due to the scale of the Empire.

@alessiodecarolis

Жыл бұрын

In Legends effectively a LONG (and bloody) struggle was needed after Endor to bring the Empire on its knees, there were simply too many ambitious warlords and power hungry figures to confront the New Republic, luckyly these guys were more prone to fight btw them than against a common enemy. Ironically it was a similar situation that allowed the reds to win in Russia 's civil war or, more ironically, in Spain in a reverse twist of fate for the franchists.

@GlassJoe1337

Жыл бұрын

@@alessiodecarolis Legends handled it better and made sense. Especially with a power vacuum as there was no leadership to rally around with both Vader and the Emperor dead. It would make sense to breakdown into Imperial officers dividing up the remaining territory as a power Base

@violetlight1548

Жыл бұрын

As others have stated, in Legends, it took 15 years from Endor to the signing of the Pellaeon-Gavistron peace treaty in 19 ABY between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant, and it was the *Remnant* that extended the olive branch (specifically, Thrawn's second-in-command, Admiral Gilad Pellaeon). But I suppose a long, drawn-out war ended by the stroke of a pen wasn't "exciting" enough for Disney.

@QuintusAntonious

Жыл бұрын

It's a common problem with the new Disney canon. They lack patience, which is odd because their MCU has taken its sweet time to build up its storylines and characters.

@kotanovakota

Жыл бұрын

Exactly in legends there were still imperial remnants all the way up to the time of the legacy era which is a whopping 130 plus years after endor that is possibly the most realistic outcome of the empire's fragmentation

“A critical weakness” ….. plot armor

A big issue being that the ISD was a battleship trying to double as a carrier. The Rebels, using hyperdrive capable fighters, could use their capital ships as mobile bases. The Old Republic had done the same with the Venators, which were much less powerful as battleships than the Imperial class, but which served as launch points for fighter squadrons without having to remain stationary. The carrier could jump away to a different location because their fighters could also jump to rendezvous with them. A highly-mobile force could evade larger groups of heavier capital ships.

a lot of this reminds me of a scene from star gate sg1 where SG1 compares the weapons of the System Lords as weapons of terror and the weapons of the much smaller earth as weapons of war. The Empire built weapons of terror while the rebels built for war.

So once again the Empire's military failures can once again be blamed on Palpatine listening to Tarkin. And sometimes spending money on the military is pretty counterproductive

Yeah the imperial wasted a lot of resources on big projects like the death star instead of making effective counters to the rebel alliance. Great video

So with the US one of our biggest strengths is that our vehicles are relatively modular. We can use the same vehicles with changes to things like armament for whichever mission role is required. They’re all on roughly the same vehicle but with the modifications we produce it can fill a wide variety of mission roles

I liked the points you touched on here; it really just shows the Empire overextended their resources to combat an enemy who doesn’t use conventional combat. I think making do with what you have and improving it is the best way to go.

Your explanation makes absolute sense to me! I see exactly what you are saying and agree. The Empire would have been better off with only building 75% of the Star Destroyers that they actually built, and using the reminder to build a mix of Fast Reaction Frigate types, that are designed for Anti-Fighter Warfare, and an upgraded TIE.

That and fear tactics only work as long as you can keep your victim scared. Give them nothing left to lose or they see your threats are empty, and they will fight back with a vengeance

Then the New Republic turned around and made the exact same mistakes as the Empire and were damn near crushed as a result. What the Empire really needed were more individuals like Grand Admiral Thrawn. They needed people who actually stopped to learn their opponents strategy and then come up with a counter to it. The ships were not the problem it was the overall incompetent personnel that were the problem.

A multitude of factors really. Incompetence in the officer corps along with backstabbing and political maneuvering. A focus on quantity over quality. Fear tactics eventually led to people hating their oppressors. Xenophobia leading to many enemies being made in alien species. The fall of the Empire was inevitable.

Another item that should be noted is that although the main force of the rebel's military forces came from the armed forces of sympathetic worlds, and a number of large-scale rebel groups, there were still individual rebel cells scattered throughout the galaxy. The empire did not have sufficient forces to tackle both groups. The Empire dedicated the bulk of its military to hunting down the main rebel forces. It also had to dedicate a significant portion to police and security duties to protect its installations and logistics centers. One of the reasons for this is when the empire took over a planet, it supplanted local law enforcement which only contributed to the problem. The ISB shares a good deal of the blame in the creation of the rebellion.

I got this from one of the comments: “This is like the U.S. army (as well as other western forces) vs. the insurgents in Afghanistan”

@shadowslayer9988

Жыл бұрын

Basically.

I was gonna say the M2 Bradly isn't a IFV its a scout vehicle and it has been time tested and is capable of destroying multiple hostile tanks.

I know you guys are working on the Avatar 2 videos, but you should also consider doing some Dune videos. The military tech and tactisc could really benefit from your analysis.

"export-oriented Lynx, which apparently has a railgun *and active deflector shields*" I was slain at this moment 🤣

Little question: Should the two large Star Wars conflicts be renamed? The Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War are the two most influentail conflicts in the Star Wars history we have seen on screen and the names never quite sounded right to me. First the Galactic Civil War was not something named in universe but called that by fans and EU writers. I found this definition for it "a politically organized, large-scale, sustained, physically violent conflict that occurs within a country principally among large/numerically important groups of its inhabitants or citizens over the monopoly of physical force within the country". Now you could argue that this applies to the Rebellion conflict with the Empire, but the Rebellion is clearly not a large scale effort and does not involve more than a statistically insignificant part of the population. Also the conflict is about more than control over the country or political power, it is about an ideological fight to overthrow a system to replace it with one based on other political aspirations. I think this definition of revolution is better adapted to the Rebellion's war "an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed". The Galactic Civil War should, at least I think be named the Galactic Revolution, plus it fits with the theme of Americans against Imperialist Brits. I have seen it be referred as such but it clearly is not the consensus and I think there is room for improvement in our discourse if we name things accurately Now the Clone Wars is the other great conflict and apart from being made canon by Luke in ANH, why is it called the "clone war"? Why are clones, the important or impactful element that burned itself into the collective galactic memory. Why not droids? There were billions of them and they tried to destroy the core worlds, the winners that get to call the war. The Droid war would make more sense than the Clone wars considering there were only 6 million clones in all and they were "the Good guys" for the later Imperial Historians. But more importantly when you refer yourself to the previous definition I gave for Civil war it fits better. The Confederacy is a politically organized, large scale sustained, physically violent conflict that decided the control over the monopoly of physical force in a politie (the Monopoly of violence of Max Weber being the appetance of a sovereign State). Once again a parallel in American hsitory would be the US civil war. With an organized faction that presents as an independant State trying to secede from an original state, in order to be able to use its own ressources and instaure its own authoritarian exploitative political regime on populations farther away from the core of the country, for philosophical as well as economical interests. The Clone wars name fits this conflict far less than Galactic Civil War in my opinion. I know these names are seered into canon at this point and it's too late to do anything about it but I would love your opinion on the nomenclature given to historical events in Star Wars.

Semi hot-take; the M4 Sherman tank was one of the best designs in the war, and for the US it really was the best. There is this popular misunderstanding that the speed of production and low production cost means that it was "weak" compared to tanks like the Panther, Tiger, and T-34. M4 crews had a far better survivability rating than their counterparts in Panthers, Tigers, and T-34s. The 75mm gun was able to defeat the vast majority of targets tank commanders wanted destroyed. It may not have looked very sexy compared to other tanks, but it had the best chance of being able to reach the warzone, drive to the battlefield without breakages, destroy what it needed to destroy, and ensure the crew survived contact with the enemy. And on top of that, was cheaper and faster to produce. A star destroyer could be packed full of AT-ATs, but if they couldn't reach the battlezone, they weren't of much use.

Good analysis Alan…one small detail to correct for future: The M3 (and its later M5 derivative) was the Stuart, a light tank. The M4 was the Sherman and was classified as a medium tank.

@johnquitzau

Жыл бұрын

There was a lot of confusing names during ww2. You are right that the Sherman was the M4, but the M3 was also the the Lee, the weird tank with a gun in the hull on the side.

A large helping of plot armour massively saves the rebellion, ultimately the stormtrooper inaccuracy and tie fighters seemingly not taking shots is what helped the rebellion Give Rommel a small imperial force and he would’ve crushed the rebellion and home in time for tea

6:05 Another serious flaw of the TIE fighter as discussed in the Xwing book series; training is well and good, but there is no substitute for real combat experience. The TIE's relative lack of shields and durability translated into a turnover rate that, while economically sound, made it much more difficult to find experienced, veteran pilots.

Empire has loyal followers of Palpatine but the large majority of them are into politics and lack military leadership skills

Thanks Alan!!

12:24 I believe you mean the M4 Sherman tank? The M3 was the M3 Lee, the tank that came BEFORE the Sherman.

I'd say it's reductive to claim that the Sherman was the best tank only because the US could produce it in such high numbers. While having that economy of scale is definitely a contributing factor, the Sherman tank also excelled in soft factors such as reliability, crew survivability, ease of transport, versatility, etc.

@anthonyrhodes8042

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget that the Sherman could fit heavier guns like the 17-pounder and 76mm.

As you showed in another video, having TIE fighters deployed immediately upon jumping to any location would have dramatically shortened the advantage-of-surprise time period that the Rebellion's hit-and-run tactics generally provided. Instead of having free rein for destruction until the TIEs were scrambled, Rebel fighters would have to fight through a wave of TIEs before being able to hit their main targets. This move, even with the Empire's overspending on the wrong craft, would have allowed the Empire to overcome the Rebellion.

I love that you keep track of modern military jargon.

Actually Allen, political graft was hard at work against a modern IFV. Lockheed still has the program frozen in litigation because they lost a competition to a start up. There is a reason they have operations in 47 of the states and fund senators democrat and republican alike.

@ruthhofwolt685

Жыл бұрын

Regrettably true, corporations and stockholders run our country and our world now. Alan has great way of breaking stuff down and explaining things.

@mikewaterfield3599

Жыл бұрын

@@ruthhofwolt685 technically when it is done with industrialists it’s graft. Most people today have no clue who Willy’s is or why the GP is called a Willie Jeep. Much like the super hornet, the Perry class, and even the Bradly worst of all the 22 and 35. None are poor war machines, it is just that better and many times cheaper machines were available. The 35s cost overruns were almost exclusively a product of too many international cooks in the kitchen. The 22 was only more agile than the 23 which outperformed the raptor in every other metric and i might add was nearly three years further along in development. As for the IFV, Lockheed was a relatively close second but they were outperformed by a startup offered at a provable 60% cost per unit by comparison. A better machine at 40% less is an easy sell in the senate appropriations committee. So Lockheed sued relying on the competition not being able to eat the expenses and ideally end up being purchased. Not unlike Douglas and Boeing, or Lockheed and Sikorsky. The sickest irony in any of it is the hornet was originally developed as the YA17 by Northrop before becoming the bastard child of military aerospace we call the 18.

@mikewaterfield3599

Жыл бұрын

@@ruthhofwolt685 incidentally, it’s not shareholders who run the world. It is special interests in various forms. It really is minority rule in todays day and age and I do not mean the 1% wealthy. Look at the ridiculous influence Twitter has on all sides made so by a small but incredibly vocal minority. Compliments of Trump espousing any conservative ideal is immediately associated with a raid on the capitol and naz1s while by the same extent espousing liberal ideals has one immediately compared to Mao and BLM “protestors” burning cities. All created by comparatively tiny groups presuming to speak for the rest of us.

You know, sometimes I wish the rebel alliance never happened or just lost just so I can see the Imperial Fleet do what Palpy truly made it to do (If you love legends). He knew of the Yuuzhan Vong's invasion would come, I would have loved to see the Imperial Fleet challenge the Yuuzhan Vong fleet. That would have been an amazing comic, book or movie to admire.

@ttry1152

Жыл бұрын

What if but star wars

A very informative video.

Just wanted to say that I love how you included a Transformers clip at 2:22 in a Star Wars video, lmao

I think most of these discussions focus on the mismatch of military platforms to the enemy's strategy. That's valid. But one of the biggest cornerstones of an effective Military Strategy is at the Political Level. An effective leader should: 1 ) Unite people under common ideals and a vision which anyone would agree with and fight for. Unite people with a vision rooted in human nature so noble, so attractive that it not only attracts the uncommitted and magnifies the spirit and strength of its adherents, but also undermines the dedication and determination of any competitors or adversaries. The vision must permits leaders, and other authorities, to inspire their followers and members to enthusiastically take action toward confronting and conquering all obstacles that stand in the way. This is what the Rebels did effectively. 2) Retain moral authority at all times so that your enemies may not find fault with your actions and so that you gain dedicated allies. The Rebels retained more moral authority than the Empire. 3) Form your nation into a meritocracy at all levels - Political, Military and Economic so the best people rise to their most appropriate level of responsibility. The Empire was more prone to Nepotism (at least in the books).

hi Alan , really enjoying your content , i know you likje the Coruscant underworld , would you or have you done a video on death sticks ? thank you

on that end note about the m4 sherman, it was actually a great tank during the war. sure it wasnt a large panther or anything but agaisnt most of what it faced and even agaisnt things like the panther and tiger it came out favorably in US military engagements with the big cats. it had great survivability and repairabilty, good mobilty with two good anti tank/infantry support guns. its biggest weakness was that it didnt have a breakthrough heavy tank to help it on those major break through engagements. but otherwise it was a lot better than people give it credit for and was pound for pound one of if not the best tank of the war period.

@Generation Tech, just very very minor quibble. You mentioned the M3 Sherman Tank. It was the M4 Sherman Tank. 🙃 The M3 was the Lee (US version) and/or the Grant (British version).

You tell them. U da man . From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧

0:09 Imperial Army and Navy of the Galactic Empire have cool helmets, nuff said

I think the biggest problem the Imperial Forces faced was the sheer immense size and scope of the galaxy itself. Nobody can possible build a large enough military to gain complete control of the whole galaxy. The rule of the Old Republic was based on voluntary associationism, not forced coercion like the Empire. Because of this, the Empire lost a lot of popular support, due in no small part to the Empire’s strong arm tactics. This was the REAL cause of the Empire’s collapse.

@DogeickBateman

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“The greatest challenge of the galaxy has been how each rim interacts: give too much power to the inner rim and you have tyranny, too little and you have chaos.” -some old republic philosopher whose name I unfortunately forgot

@VideoHitz2023

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@@DogeickBateman I think there is a great amount of truth in that. The Old Republic should have tried to do a better job balancing the interests of the inner and outer rims. Maybe then there would never have been a Clone Wars.

I love listening to Alans narration on these subjects, oh its just so relaxing. As an aside, hey Alan. I was pondering if you ya liked playing video games and if so. Theres a very interesting video game series that combines various levels of technology, from neolithic to modern, to sci-fi. Called Rimworld I think you may like the game and the immense story telling capabilities it has under its hood.

I think this is correct, but it also falls on the military leaders ineffective decision making and strategy use to either counter hit and run tactics or turn the tactics against the Rebel Alliance. The only admiral I know of who attempted to do this was Grand Admiral Thrawn. Admiral Thrawn wanted to upgrade the basic Tie Fighter to Tie Defenders that had deflector shields and a hyper drive. This addresses the weaknesses of the basic Tie Fighter. Admiral Thrawn was also following the Rebel's hit and run attacks in order to find Rebel bases. This turns the Rebel's strategy of hit and run attacks into a disadvantage since Thrawn could track them given enough time and the loss of a few Imperial Star Destroyers, which also turned the size of the Imperial Navy into an advantage. I think this is why in current Canon, Thrawn was dragged out of the picture since it was improbable of Thrawn losing in a traditional military conflict without other intervention, such as the Force.

The Republic controlled the galaxy by giving the systems power to influence the government via the Senate. But Palpatine was a power hungery control freak so he wouldn't give anyone power and wanted to control everything. So he had to control the galaxy some other way and the Clone Wars allowed him more easily to use what he wanted in the first place; fear and military forces. But since the galaxy was so big and the military wasn't enough, only teror remained which Tarkin recognized. Basically the Empire never abandoned the Tarkin doctrine because its ideas filled very well into Palpatine's Sith ideology and its practices. Palpatine couldn't rule in any other way than terror so the Empire couldn't change without getting rid of Palpatine, his closest cohorts and their ideology.

Ever play Star Wars Rebellion? Load up on TIE fighters and bombers and build escort carriers and Lancers. Just the escorts (which just carry TIEs) and Lancers are enough to break pretty much anything The Rebels throw at you.

Want to call at the M4 Sherman comment. The M4, until the 1980's was considered one of the best tanks from WW2, not because of the ease of production but because the A2s and later had effective frontal armor that rivaled what the German's put down, but had competitive weapons, high crew survivability, a large amount of interior space, with few barriers between crew members (Firefly variant being the sole exception) good range and fuel economy. In the '80s the Sherman got a bad rap from a mechanic who claims that they were called "Zippos" in WW2 because they caught fire easily. (Evidence shows they caught fire about the same as other tanks, the big difference being the crews were more likely to survive the fires than other tank's crews.) The Sherman had its problem, the profile was a bit high, however it's design made it easy to pack on ships, which is something the US needed with all of its large equipment due to the fact that it was fighting wars on the other side of massive oceans.

Very interesting. I appreciate how you relate these fantasy themes to the real world. Makes the world of star wars more tangible

This makes a good companion video to the how the empire could have won video. Basically the rebels had a two-pronged strategy: asymmetric warfare to goad the Empire into more overt repression, and diplomacy to capitalize on that repression and get more systems to defect. "The harder you squeeze, Tarkin," etc. War is politics by other means, and the rebels never lost sight of that. I'd watch a show that was just about Mon Mothma.

Alan's voice is so soothing

Will you ever get around to doing a video on the war with them

So personally, I think an investment in smaller multi-role cruisers such as the Vindicator Class Heavy Cruiser, and longe-range fighters such as the Tie Defender, would have greatly enhanced the Imperial Military’s capabilities to combat the Rebellion when it was still more of an insurgency than an actual organized combat force. Also the 1/3-2/3 rule is good for most militaries: 1/3 being the active component forces and 2/3 being the reserve component. Having a federally established and permanently maintained reserve force cuts cost both in terms of funding the full time military and also the cost of ramping up for a full on conflict, you have a partially trained, semi-professional force already established

aboslutely a great video, no force Congress to watch this

The massive lack of point defense turrets on ships just seems like a plot device to validate fighters. If most fighters didn't have great shielding a small rapid fire laser cannon would shred fighters

You absolutely failed to mention how effective plot armour is.

I mean sure you could make all these arguments but it’s still just a classic good vs evil movie. Empire being evil it never had a chance lol.

The German Puma vehicles have been pulled from service pending fixes to serious faults. Here in the UK, our supposedly "next gen" IFV, from General Dynamics has been stuck in limbo for ages, also with serious flaws. Be careful what you wish for.

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His overall point remains valid, Western Europe’s big 3’s (Germany, Britain, France) strategies are the correct ones

@generationtech were you a military veteran?being one myself, I always kinda had wondered if you were because of how you describe certain tactics and military technology.

I did not expect this to turn into real world strategy…

When you think about it, the Empire was doimed to fail onve the Tarkin Doctrine became the centre piece of the Imperial military. Like, why build so many star destroyers(or ISD) a battle-line ship designed for anti battle-line warfare when there wasn't any other faction in the known galaxy to face them? Like the ISD was so heavily armed an armoured that in 98% of the time would be complete over kill. Honestly i think the Empire should have kept the Republic Venator because for a cruiser it was well armed an armoured plus it could carry a decent number of fighters an transports as well as carry roughly 2,000 passengers but have a crew of 7,400. Yeah its a bit crew heavy but you could always replace some of the crew with droids. Anyway the Venator 1 and 2 make for a solid pick for system defence/patrols as long as its escorted by a small fleet of attack cruisers. As for escort ship, to be honest the CIS Recusant light destroyer is a good pick, the only thing I'd change is add more armor near the rear of the ship between the engines and the rest of the ship. I pick this ship because it only needs a crew of 300 to operate but it has enough space to carry 40,000 beactivated battle droids, obviously its not gonna carry 40,000 stormtroopers but it could make enough for perhaps 5,000 that would be a VERY handy ship to have. Just send 3 of these to rapidly respond to a crisis and blow foe away or deploy 10 to 15 thousand stormtroopers, it would be WAY more flexible than to build a ISD hell you could get 3 for the price of 1.

Correction. The puma isnt good. It is great on paper. But is being replaced as it just has a lot of issues with it. The displays are all black and white. I was sad to find that out lol

12:23 I don’t mean to be a history nut but I think you meant the M4 Sherman Medium Tank not the M3 Stuart

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

As cool as I've always thought all that military hardware is and having been in the Army myself (joined in 2000 so I was actually in morning formation when 9/11 happened) it still gives me a sick feeling that we all expend so much energy towards murdering other people. Yeah all that stuff is pretty neat until you actually see what happens to people on the receiving end of it. Yes, I think we've taken out quite a few bad guys with this stuff, but the enemy isn't always a "bad guy" and sometimes it's not even taking out a combatant. You can minimize friendly fire and civilian casualties but as of right now you can't always stop either. Hopefully we all reach a point where we have non-sentient machines doing all of the fighting or better yet we never fight at all. Yeah I know shit in one hand...

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The military proved useless on 9/11 Not entirely their fault Cheny was making sure responders were out of position and fed many false alerts into the system. With Cheny in command they never had a chance. He and Bush

@elliotyourarobot

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@@richardscathouse True

@elliotyourarobot

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But with machines doing the fighting why pursue peace?

5:40 C-3PO getting a new makeover.

Hyped

12:20 The M3 was known as the Lee/Grant which was the American equivalent of the AT-AT. M4 Shermans superseded it.

@richardscathouse

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The ronson

Trying to crush an insurgency with overwhelming technology is like trying to kill a fly with a jackhammer.

Reasons spending credits on massive superweapons spend them on new tie fighters carriers frigates and carriers

during the return of the jedi, when you do finally have the rebel scum space fleet exactly where you want them, namely sitting too damn close to your newly built and even more massive space station, even if the builders are having a day off and it`s not quite finished yet, and although i get the idea that what may at first seem like a stupid thing to do, it`s really a brilliant plan to lure the rebel`s there to your fully functioning second death star, which not only is even more powerful than the first one, and don`t even get me started on just how even more impressive this second laser is compared to the puny one that was on the first death star, this new death star even comes equipped with a shield, how greats that, but when it`s time for the battle to commence and the rebel space fleet seemly have no chance to be able to win, or indeed get away from the huge and scary terror that is this new death star, or indeed avoid the giant imperial space fleet that is a bit close for comfort, and although eventually they may well take out the odd imperial ship, what hope have they got against the space station that is firing on them, and which they cannot possibly have any defence against, there only hope in the end is possibly limping back into hyperspace and hopefully escaping to fight another day, but here`s the thing when some rebel idiots steal an imperial shuttle and are finding there selves among this imperial fleet, not only did you not think to perhaps ask where your missing space ship is, and let alone consider the possibility that someone may well do something naughty with it, when it turns up again, and despite the fact that it`s using an older security code which for a start should start off an alarm off somewhere, and the man with the worrying breathing problems says hang on i sense something not quite right about this ship, and yet you still let them through, and when these rebel scum get down to the planet endor which they most probably thought was not really defended as well as it really is, that`s fine because there walking into a trap, and not only this, but these troops are also perhaps some of the best troops that you have in the imperial forces, and so far so good, but wait for it, then you then let these puny and not many rebel scum team up with the native teddy bears, who despite the fact that they are only carrying not much more deadly weapons than a pointy stick and there lunch, and off course should not be able to win against well trained and armed imperial troops on any occasion ever, but they do, can you say what the hell, and perhaps before this battle perhaps the imperial command should have really apparently studied a documentary about the vietnam war, and even with the rebels bringing down the death stars shield the space battle should still not be a forgone conclusion, because we are still talking about a giant space fleet and it`s mate the second death star, which is fine, but then when the shield is not working anymore was it really a good idea for at that moment for the builders to be having a tea break, because in not pulling there finger out and finally finishing this space station they have left it open to an attack, and while perhaps at first glance the rebel scum still don`t have a chance to possibly do much in the way of attack against the horror that is floating before them, and let alone the fact that it is packing an even more deadly laser, and at least at first they are losing in this battle, but not only did the designers of this death star not yet learn from the mistakes made with the first one, but i don`t really think that it helped leaving a giant hole in one side of said space station, and especially if it is not only big enough for fighters to fly into, but it also off course leads to the main reactor, which is not defended either, if i was a member of the imperial forces and especially a member of the high command of said imperial forces, then i would take one look at what happened to our so called unbeaten forces at endor and hang my head in shame at how useless we are, and we cannot even defend our selves against furry knightmares dreamed up in what george lucas apparently has for a brain.

8:20 The Empire destroys the Yuuzhan Vong, the Yuuzhan Vong destroys the Rebellion or Republic, the Republic becomes a headache to the Empire.

Crazy thing is the cost of 1 ISD equals 1000 Gozanti cruisers

Empire should've built and focused more on frigates and cruisers. Load them with long range fighters and the ships could have their own companies. Develop corp systems where you could have like 4-5 ships per corp. Could've improved response times and could keep up with the rebel groups. Star destroyers could've been used in limited circumstances and as huge support vessels (supply,medical,intelligence,bombardment etc) a corp system wouldve allowed battle groups to react on their own as well and be more independent instead of relying on high command and stuff like the ISB on what to do next.

Moff Gideon should have used a Tie Striker (if I remember correctly) Imperial Storm Commandos used them hell why not an upgraded tie interceptor? But I guess augmenting a regular tie is cheep/good enough.

You know, when I was a kid I thought it was terrible that they forced these Imperial soldiers to carry around their own life support systems. Now I think it's great that they give every soldier their own CPAP machine as a standard part of their equipment.

I hate to ask, but were you referring to the M3 Lee or the M4 Sherman?

"Military strategy is built strategy" - Perun

12:23 okay bruh its the M4 Sherman Tank. The M3 Lee was the predecessor/stopgap before the later, more successful Sherman.

3:32 you know I really hope this is where the FILONIVERSE is headed

The problem with fear is once you get over it, it holds no power

I have to disagree on one point. The Empire's forces aren't intended to keep the peace. They are only intended to protect the Empires interests. If a region/planet were to erupt into a civil war, the Empire wouldn't do anything so long as their interests aren't at risk.

The Tarkin doctrine sounds good in theory: scare any potential threats into submission. But if it fails to prevent fighting, it’s basically useless. Not only was the doctrine strategically and tactically unsuitable for the type of warfare employed by the rebels, but the fear factor had become a liability. Presenting itself with an evil aesthetic that was quite literally derived from fascism wasn’t exactly the best PR move for the empire, giving more merit to the rebel cause and thus creating more rebels.

You forgot about the MRAP. It's one of the most advanced in the world right now. Though, I suppose it isn't really an IFV. The Bradley, though, is still one of the most advanced and powerful IFVs out there. I get the feeling you mistake an IFV for a kind of tank.

Are you former military? Your knowledge and use of verbiage comes off as someone with prior military experience. In any case, great video!

I think you're coming to thorough and forthright and it causes one to have thought about today's issues of military and the monies that are government spend for it but at least we understand some things a little bit better

I don’t think pure battleship was the doctrine for Imperial Star Destroyers. I think intimidation was a main function of them. Utility was secondary. My main reasoning for this was the Venator class was in many ways superior. Better mixture of armaments and a vastly larger fighter complement.

I always thought the puma looked more like a warthog 🤔

Wich is better Star Wars militairy spaceships or those from Star Gate SG.1 and Atlantis, Large and Small

i mean the republic could of used more peace keeping units like a mainline frigate sized ship and light carriers for better patroling

1:41 ima need you to explain that chief lmao. I think that’s a joke but now I wanna know