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@hammygames077

Жыл бұрын

I love the kurzgesagt style artwork that some of the tasks have.

@sbkarajan

Жыл бұрын

Is there anything else that looks this flimsy which NASA made and used in a real mission? I'd love to see that first before believing you. Obviously you watched the documentary American Mqpn, and still defending NASA?

@awatt

Жыл бұрын

​@@sbkarajan The moon missions were tracked by the British schoolboys who discovered Russian spy satellites. Moon landing confirmed 👌

@rimbusjift7575

Жыл бұрын

@@sbkarajan Quick IQ test... Solve: 4, 5, 14, 185, ...

@cargy930

Жыл бұрын

@@sbkarajan Try watching the video and *then* commenting. It's a great way to avoid looking foolish.

I've always thought it strange that those who believe the footage was faked in a studio wouldn't wonder why they didn't use something that looked more robust and realistic.

@danymalsound

Жыл бұрын

That and no one but the astronauts know what it really looks like up there... how can people sit at a computer at home and say "that's not how it would look." LOL Seriously? : P

@Ugly_German_Truths

Жыл бұрын

cause they cannot find their own arse with a guide, a ten hour youtube how to video and adult supervision holding their hands all the way down.

@Dunning_Kruger_Is__On_Youtube

Жыл бұрын

Why…because stupid is always going to be stupid!

@AsmodeusMictian

Жыл бұрын

Or just the fact that a lot of the time, even when you DO explain logically all the evidence involved, it will never matter what you say because "nuh-UH! I saw a video on KZread and I did a 20 minute Google search! I KNOW what I'm talking about!" Mmmkay. Tell you what then. Build yourself a rocket and see how far you get. Should be a snap. Just don't do it around me, please. Rocket fuel is rather dangerous.

@bjrnhagen4484

Жыл бұрын

I have often wondered, if they had faked it, if they had made a big crater under the landing module and visible stars too.

Charles Lindbergh wasn't the first person to fly across the Atlantic, or even the Atlantic non-stop. He was the first person to do it alone, aka a solo flight. John Alcock and Arthur Brown were actually the first to do so in June 1919, which was 16 years after the Wright brothers first flight. 1969 is 12 years after Sputnik which puts it in line with with the same jump in difficulty.

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

Lindbergh made the east to west flight which is against the prevailing winds so it was a far more risky prospect. He also landed at New York to immense happy crowds. Alcock and Brown also wrote off their Vickers Vimy converted bomber when it came down in an Irish bog and they were probably only greeted by a few Gaelic sheep so they didn't really do it 100% successfully :) Though I take your point. Others had lost their lives attempting what Lindbergh achieved.

@1anwrang13r

Жыл бұрын

@@ShizukuSeiji Any landing you can walk away from is a good one. If you can re-use the aircraft afterwards, that's just icing on the cake.

@bloozee

Жыл бұрын

His dad was a pro fassist congressman. Far more interesting.

@caffetiel

Жыл бұрын

​@@1anwrang13rKerbal mindset

@mikesmith2864

Жыл бұрын

@@ShizukuSeiji Lindbergh flew eastward, with prevailing winds, from New York to Paris, where he was met with large crowds at Le Bourget airport. He returned to New York by ship.

I've used the "crumpled foil = less contact area" idea for 40+ years, too. If your cooking a pizza, french fries, or anything in the oven, wad up a piece of foil and then gently flatten it back out a bit (like at 9:20) to cook your food on. Acts like a non-stick surface. Works like a champ!

@deanhall6045

10 ай бұрын

And that absolutely proves that man has been on the moon. Well done champ.

@patrickfox-roberts7528

10 ай бұрын

@@deanhall6045 nope, don't be silly, but it demonstrates the nonsense of the counter-argument

@deanhall6045

10 ай бұрын

What's wrong with being silly..?? Do you know how many froot loops still believe man has walked on the moon, now that's silly. Google Kelly Smith NASA lecture to learn how it's impossible. Then wake up. Cheers.

@deanhall6045

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickfox-roberts7528 that'll be NASA explaining why it's impossible, not me.

@hossdelgado626

9 ай бұрын

I'm taking a screen cap of this and trying it next time I bake some sweet sweet pizza.

I like the way you give your answers without insults to people who just have questions they'd like answered...cheers

I remember all of this being explained at the time when I was just a tiny kid, and it all made perfect sense. That adults over half a century later can't understand it is very sad.

@rickkwitkoski1976

Жыл бұрын

"adults"... you use that term very generously!

@thomasvanetten1984

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!! Those of us that lived through it already knew this. Why someone that didn’t would automatically think it was fake because it didn’t look like a sci-fi ship is just nuts.

@dorkangel1076

Жыл бұрын

As a kid you want to understand. Certain adults are deliberately trying not to understand.

@Truth_is_all_that_exists

Жыл бұрын

It's not that they can't understand... They just don't ever bother to assume there is a reason to check. "NASA rocket engineers are dumb as rocks they used tinfoil lol" Seems legit, no need to question it. Even assuming you couldn't imagine the reasons why they used specific materials ... A 30 sec search would bring up all the history of the engineering marvels and ideas and theory of the space race. It's not that they can't understand what kids knew back then... It's that they DONT bother trying to understand... They see 1 thing, it fits "govt bad" so just go with it.

@ianc4901

Жыл бұрын

I think it was easy for us to understand what was happening because we lived through it and witnessed the years of testing and failures which were constantly reported on the news. It was a time of continual development and improvements which lead to many records being broken and many new discoveries. NASA was the bright future of mankind and everyone saw them as pioneers and explorers who were creating machinery so that people could live in space. We watched every rocket launch on TV, we saw every incremental improvement and understood why it was important because the launch and development programs were publicised too ! Nothing was hidden from the public, every engine test was reported, even the computers that were used on the space craft were publicised and all updates and improvements to them was public information, we always knew what to expect and when it would happen ! This happened over many years and every stage of every mission was publicised in advance so that people could understand what was happening and why it was important, we would wait patiently for updates and reports and often received far more information than expected ! There were clubs and societies were you could find more information and it all added up to a very clear picture of the 'Moon Program' as it unfolded ! When people dispute the moon landings it just shows their ignorance !

“The fact it looked so fake validates the fact it was real” uh oh. Flerfs aren’t going to like that sentence

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

They don't like most of my sentences to be fair 🤣

@corey2232

Жыл бұрын

Because they can't grasp the meaning behind that statement. Normal human beings understand why that makes sense.

@patrix4746

Жыл бұрын

It's celebration of stupidity and Orwellian double think. Fake is real...

@johnnytucker6709

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I haven’t engaged with any of them because it would apparently be nothing more than an exercise in futility.

"Looks like made of tinfoil and you can punch through it" Boys at Grumman: -Exactly!!!

Another interesting fact about the Kapton insulation: What some people have called "colored sparks" or "fireworks" during the televised lunar liftoff of Apollo 17 is actually scraps of Kapton being blown off the Descent Stage by the APS engine. Because it happened in a vacuum and 1/6 g , the lightweight scraps flew away at high velocity. The RCA Ground Command TV camera used a rotating color wheel in front of a single vision tube, instead of the three vidicon tubes (one each for red, blue and green) typically used by color TV cameras of the time, because this made the camera lighter and more compact, and eliminated the need for delicate alignment of the three tubes. Because of this, fast moving objects, like the Kapton scraps, would often appear in frame only long enough to be imagined through one or two of the filters on the color wheel, either red, blue or green. And because they were highly reflective, looked like primary colored streaks.

@therealzilch

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that was an ingenious bit of engineering. It also saved on bandwidth for the transmission.

@sdrc92126

Жыл бұрын

@@therealzilch That's how all color tv worked

@therealzilch

Жыл бұрын

@@sdrc92126 That's how very early color TV worked, but the first commercially avalable color TV camera, the RCA TK40 from 1953 had a beam splitter that directed the three separated colors onto three image orthicon tubes. No color wheel.

@FosterZygote

Жыл бұрын

No, it's not. Rotating color wheels were an old technology that had been out of use for a long time. By the mid '60s, studio color TV cameras made use of three vidicon tubes, one for each color. This made them larger and heavier than a black & white camera, and also required precise alignment of the three tubes to work properly, so weren't amenable to being transported. That's why color TV cameras were typically only found in studios. Most TV shows, whether color or b&w, were actually shot on film and then converted for broadcast. This was common well into the '80s. Going back to the old color wheel technology allowed Westinghouse and RCA to develop color TV cameras that were light, compact and durable enough to take to the moon.

@HenryLoenwind

Жыл бұрын

@@sdrc92126 As ​ @FosterZygote said, but also: A color TV signal is not 3 black and white signals in a row. It is a single black and white signal with color information mixed in. Converting between those 3 formats is quite involved, as one has 3 frames that are from 3 different points in time, both in transmission and creation, whereas the other only has one image. This means that for converting from 3-channel to color, you need to buffer three frames and then combine them into one, before encoding that one. The other way round you need to fill 3 buffers from a single signal and then send those 3 frames one after the other. In both cases the new signal needs to be sent out while the next frame is received, so you need 2 copies of all buffers. Or you project the image at a wall and film it from there with a second camera.

BTW, it would seem that the flat earthers might be the one's that could most benefit for signing up to your sponsor.

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a Hollywood basement

@jonathanj8303

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't hold out any hopes for a meaningful revenue stream.

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 At least it's better than the basement that belongs to your mom you're sitting in right now

@Teh_Duck

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 thank you hollywood for figuring out how to make pocket dimensions, very helpful!

@CountDooku420

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 Dude, really? How could space be fake? It's right there! You can point a telescope at Saturn and literally see it's rings!

I’m an astronomer and I do a lot of public outreach. Every time I setup a telescope and point it to the Moon I get a few people who tell me the landing was fake. If they become insistent I tell them the same story. “NASA paid Stanley Kubrick to fake the landing, but Kubrick, being Kubrick, demanded to film on location”. 😁

@leifvejby8023

Жыл бұрын

:-D

@robertpearson8798

Жыл бұрын

That he did it in one take was the real miracle😉

@nikelinq2899

Жыл бұрын

I always tell them that they faked the moon landing….. …..on the moon, like they brought a whole team of film makers and a whole set up there.

@The_UPD.

Жыл бұрын

​@@nikelinq2899 "Yo guys, I forgot where I put the rest of the pictures."

@DJ-Brownie-UK

Жыл бұрын

BECAUSE THATS THE SORT OF PUBLIC PLACES YOU LOVE TO HANG AROUND, GROOMING AND PREYING ON VULNERABLE LOCALS POINTING YOUR TELESCOPE AT LUNAR TICKS WHLIST TUCKING INTO PIZZA AND ICE CREAM

People don’t realize how much of a weight constraint the whole Apollo program was under. Especially for the lunar lander. It was stripped down to be a minimum viable vehicle for the job. It didn’t even have seats, the bed was a hammock. It was only after that first lunar lander when they realized they had a little margin for more mass, but even the lunar rover was basically a folding table with 4 wheels and a folding chair. When you go light and don’t have to worry about an atmosphere, you go ugly, anything else is just unnecessary weight.

@Agarwaen

4 ай бұрын

it's a bit like the pub at 01:00 AM. You don't care if it looks ugly if it gets you there.

@deanhall6045

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely ridiculous. Do you know the weight of air conditioning and purifying and manufacturing, and the shielding that module needed to even survive. Then add heating and cooling. You're all dreaming still. Why can't the Chinese find your landing sites even with GPS coordination? Makes you wonder if anything in your country was real in the sixties, not much else is as they say it was.

@Agarwaen

3 ай бұрын

@@deanhall6045 so you continue proving you have no clue whatsoever what requirements there were, or what equipment was used. and the chinese has publicly stated to have found the apollo landing sites. and finally.. there are no "gps coordinates" on the moon.

@Agarwaen

3 ай бұрын

@@deanhall6045"GPS coordination" wtf is that even supposed to mean, or did you attempt to write "GPS coordinates"? If so, you're still an idiot, as there's no GPS system for the moon. And double so an idiot, since the chinese space agency have publicly stated to have found the apollo landing sites. Also, the LM didn't have "air conditioning", nor "manufacturing". It had liquid O2 and lithium hydroxide based CO2 scrubbers, and mostly used passive heat management while landing during lunar morning when temps are quite reasonable. Makes you wonder if you can manage to walk and breathe at the same time.

@tbradtbrad

2 ай бұрын

Safety was not a concern, right?

That Foil was actually several layers of Mylar. Each Layer was crumbled individually before installation

@DZ302-Z28

4 ай бұрын

Sure dude. Keep telling yourself that. Talk about seeing is not believing

@pjimmbojimmbo1990

4 ай бұрын

@@DZ302-Z28 Pull your head out of your Butt and you might be able to see, hear, and thereby learn something

@CarlosAM1

4 ай бұрын

​@@DZ302-Z28What do you want us to do then? I'm sorry but physics dictates how optimal MLI looks, should we start making multi-layer insulation perfectly smooth to make you happy?

@MigWith

4 ай бұрын

​@@DZ302-Z28 you are so stupid ngl

@Xbob42

4 ай бұрын

@@DZ302-Z28 "Seeing is believing" is a limiting phrase for the simple minded. You should do more than just see, you should strive to understand.

A quick correction: British aviators Alcock and Brown were the first people to cross the Atlantic by air,non-stop (in 1919) not Charles Lindbergh (Lindergh was the first to do it solo).

@Kyrelel

Жыл бұрын

*Lindbergh

@Dunning_Kruger_Is__On_Youtube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dunning

@theultimatereductionist7592

Жыл бұрын

Oh really? I didn't know that! Thanks, Clive Wells!

@0cgw

Жыл бұрын

@@theultimatereductionist7592 According to a video on the Lindybeige channel, Lindbergh was the 92nd person to fly non-stop across Atlantic. He has perhaps a better self-publicist than the others.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Clive, yes a few have pointed out he was the first solo flight rather than first overall The same still applies to Alcock & Browns Vickers - compared to modern standards it looks flimsy

''Quite an eyesore'' I honestly, have always kinda liked it. I don't know why, but there's something weirdly endearing about the crumbled coppery look.

@russhamilton3800

5 ай бұрын

I agree, the first real space ship

@moondude363

3 ай бұрын

I never considered people thought it an eyesore, it looks awesome to me

@deanhall6045

3 ай бұрын

Its hilarious that you think its real. Go watch, 'Orion, trial by fire' and let NASA tell you why its fake. About half way mark, you'll learn about the shielding needed and " more research is needed before we can safely send people through this region of space ." From the horses mouth. That'll be NASA scientist Kelly Smith giving you the reasons why NO ONE has been through the Van Allen radiation belts, let alone land that thing on the moon. Its becoming a joke to the rest of the world now. You need to start critically thinking and stop blocking out the hard parts. Like VAB. Cheers.

@edkrzywdzinski9121

3 ай бұрын

A certain company's "spaceship" being tested these days, now _that's_ an eyesore! 😂

@wellesmorgado4797

11 күн бұрын

It always reminded me of my room as a teenager. After I cleaned it. 😂

The lunar lander is one of the greatest engineering achievements of all time!!!!

They hear "made out aluminum", see the Mylar film, and think "oh, that must be aluminum foil".

@LauraReed-wu2ww

29 күн бұрын

I mean, it was real, just not really on the moon

@fedos

29 күн бұрын

@@LauraReed-wu2ww Sorry, but I'm not going to pander to your delusions.

The "foil" that was on the Lunar Module was made of Kapton. This alloy is very effective in shielding anything under it from heat. I used to work for a medical electronics company. We had what is called "Kapton tape". Most of the electronics in the 2000s were surface mount and many with 80 or more contacts. To remove an 80 pin microprocessor, a hot air soldering removal tool was used. These processors had dozens of small surface mounted components all around them. The Kapton tape was applied to the coprocessor and also over all of the components around it to shield the heat of the de-solder tool and isolate it to the contacts of the big chip. The tape was the same "gold" color as the protective foil on the lander.

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

how did it survive high velocity dust and rocks? lol it never left the Hollyweird set

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 what high velocity dust and rocks?

@ovdr42

Жыл бұрын

​@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 The rocks would not be moved in the absence of air. The dust that is small enough to be moved by the molecules of combusted propellant will be sent on ballistic trajectories away from the craft. Why should be that a problem?

@0LoneTech

Жыл бұрын

Kapton tape is also popular on 3D printer hotends and sometimes print surfaces. Great insulation and containment for very little weight.

@Tasarran

Жыл бұрын

Would we still see this on boards, or was it just a manufacturing tool? Because I recall seeing some gold tape stuff stuck on boards several times in the past...

Idiocy is timeless! I'm sure there was some conspiracy nutter back in 1912 who said, "If the Titanic had been tested on land it would never have sunk".

@stargazer5784

Жыл бұрын

So true. Stupid is a condition, ignorance is a choice. The moon landing hoax nutters exhibit the symptoms of both stupidity and ignorance.

@blacksheep6888

Жыл бұрын

Actually the conspiracy nuts wreckon it was not the Titanic that sunk but her sister ship Olympic

@Zach1221

Жыл бұрын

@Justice52555 I actually know about the Government Alcohol Poisoning during the Prohibition period. I heard that in an attempt to stop people from making homemade moonshine, the government increased the toxicity of the ingredients that were needed to make homemade moonshine.

@HenryLoenwind

Жыл бұрын

The Titanic wasn't real either. Nothing before 1970 was real, it's all just one big lie to convince us natural-born that our alien-cloned parents were real people with a rich and horrible history instead of programmed drones. It saddens me greatly that I have to add a disclaimer hat above is a joke. It should be obvious to any mentally sound human...

@SkullpunkArt

5 ай бұрын

@@Zach1221how would they even do that though? You can make moonshine with basic ingredients anyone could make or grow at home.

My dad was an electrical engineer for grumman aerospace and was involved with the LM project from start to finish. The insulating "foil" was not. It was ultralight mylar. The orange color was uv light resistant and coated with a thin coat of aluminum on back. Hence the gold color. Multiple layers thick and attached with velcro to the LM.

@foolish415

3 ай бұрын

Dude. That's clearly not real.

@peterpoop7760

3 ай бұрын

@@foolish415 Dude your handle is fitting. It is still around today in the form of "space blankets"

@edkrzywdzinski9121

3 ай бұрын

​@peterpoop7760 They obviously haven't seen someone rescued by EMTs and wrapped up in a shiny, foil like space blanket - they probably think those are fake too!

@Othis-Morf

Ай бұрын

It was not mylar, it was kapton.

@edkrzywdzinski9121

Ай бұрын

@@Othis-Morf It was Mylar. The legs specifically were covered in multi layered insulation MLI, which used Mylar sheets covered in Kapton. So, both were used.

"Carefully thought out reasons" is a concept that escapes flat earth nuts.

@peat11

4 ай бұрын

Why bring the shape of the earth into it. Strange how NONE of them would put their hand on the bible and swear that they went. NOT ONE.

@rizzwan-42069

4 ай бұрын

i wouldn't either lol​@@peat11

@gladbecker8218

4 ай бұрын

yeah mate, everyone who points out the obvious is a flat earther to you quadruple vaxxed folks. and you tell me you have any coherent world view outside your TV?

@ethanfranklin5847

4 ай бұрын

​@@peat11they were atheist If I remember lol

@peat11

4 ай бұрын

@ranklin5847 They where all freemasons and you cannot be a freemason if you are an atheist, you have to believe some sort of god. Strange but true.

Lindbergh was NOT the first person to cross the Atlantic in a plane. He was the first to do so SOLO.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Fair cop, although pretty sure the same could be said the Vicker Vimy

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan “Vickers”. The Vimy was also the first aircraft to fly to Australia and South Africa - and that was within 20 years of the first flight ever of a powered heavier than air aircraft. It took rockets 25 years from getting into space to getting men to the moon (the first unmanned “space” flight occurred in 1944).

@Ugly_German_Truths

Жыл бұрын

Ironic, considering that Han Solo flies with Chewie :P

@Hellndegenerates

Жыл бұрын

​@Dave McKeegan Reading a pre-prepared script you just read the propaganda right Dave.

@ronaldgreene5733

9 ай бұрын

. . fake as a 3 dollar bill with Hillary's portrait on it . . . and to disparage Lindbergh to even mention his name in this forum of dopey sponsored activity for a sponsored channel that need not function using his own initiative to guarantee an income by conforming to mainstream supported narratives . . Sponsored activity is very normal today for commercial and political purposes and subjects of controversy -- in the attempt to lead public debate . .

Testing it on Earth would be the equivalent of someone eating Carolina Reaper peppers to prepare for an ice cream eating challenge.

@awatt

Жыл бұрын

Now you tell me 😂

The LEM (later the LM) had such stringent weight-saving procedures that the crew of two had no seats, had wires that connected to their suits to keep them in place, were weightless almost all of the time during descent, and once landed, had only one hammock on later flights. After Apollo 11's landing, the astronauts slept one curled up on the descent engine cover, the other down under the instrument panel, like being in the footwell of a car. An uncomfortable night, with all the gurgling and buzzing from the machinery, water recirculation, etc.

A friend of mine at Grumman worked on the Lunar Module and indeed for weight purposes the aluminum walls were very thin, only 3-4 times thicker than a soda can.

@edkrzywdzinski9121

3 ай бұрын

If they only knew how thin the skin of a modern airliner is, they'd also call it fake!

On of the deniers said it was fake because how would the Lander make it through the earth's atmosphere, The level of ignorance among them is scary,

@acesw6124

Жыл бұрын

Ignores Fairings!!

@michaelhopkins9726

Жыл бұрын

Or asking who took the photo of Eagle.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

@@acesw6124 actually one said there was no video of the Eagle leaving earth, after I recovered from the face palm I explained that it was inside the massive white pointy thing with flames coming out the bottom, He eventually stopped commenting. Don't know if it got into his pea brain.

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 You are being far too generous suggesting his brain was the size of a pea. Mind you "pea brain" has a better ring to it than "grain of sand brain"

@thecraftycreeper3167

Жыл бұрын

@@ShizukuSeiji particle brain?

I have said from time to time that if NASA was going to fake a moon landing, it would have looked more like the rockets and equipment used in the 50s science fiction series man in space. Your video surprised me with the reason that the gold foil looked crumpled. There were so many things to think about!

@evanroberts2771

Жыл бұрын

No, they didn't have to fool the public. They had to fool the Russians who also knew what the US did...

@jimmorrison2657

Жыл бұрын

​@@evanroberts2771 Anyway, they didn't waste time trying to fool anyone. They just went to the moon . And the Russians followed them all the way by radar.

@nightmareTomek

Жыл бұрын

Probably flattards think the lunar module is fake because it doesn't look like in hollywood.

@Gelgisith

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmorrison2657 And the Russians would've left no stone unturned to expose their American foe as a fraud...

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

Жыл бұрын

@@evanroberts2771 And yet they said to the whole world that it is legitimate. Soviet lunar landing program were very similar to the NASA one. But constant failures in production of N-1 put an end to it.

I was 9 years old when we landed on the moon. They had so much time to kill on TV that they explained just about everything you’ve addressed with excellent models and it was pretty easy to understand. 👍💚

@markwilding3828

Жыл бұрын

pretty easy to get brainwashed too.

@ronaldgreene5733

Жыл бұрын

. . Fake comments are getting more sophisticated . . Yet exposed when they reach an over-the-top nature such as this one . .

@LowProfile0247

11 ай бұрын

@@markwilding3828Sad little manchild

@markwilding3828

11 ай бұрын

@@LowProfile0247 gullible little halfwit

@Espartanica

11 ай бұрын

@@markwilding3828 Into believing the earth is flat, despite all of the proof it isn't?

The other day, I saw a video of a parade. In it was float that was (supposedly) constructed on a Ford F150. The float decorations looked very flimsy, and I couldn't really see the F150 underneath (in fact, I'm still not convinced that there really was an F150). As I watched it, I became more and more convinced that there's no way a vehicle with those paper maché decorations could even make it from one end of the street to the other. Scientists and engineers in the video pointed out that, "Yes, there really is an F150 underneath all those decorations - that's a really strong truck." But I didn't believe them. I trust my own eyes. I saw those decorations, and they were definitely germane to the operation of the whole vehicle. I know what I know, and your trucktard lies won't work on me!

I think the flerfs forgot that most aircraft made up to the late 30's were made with wood and fabric. Some notable aircraft during WW2 made of wood and fabric was the Hurricane and Mosquito....

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

The Vampire jet had a timber cockpit (being designed by the same guys behind the timber Mosquito has a bearing). The limit on timber is the compression heat from supersonic flight. The earliest Soviet spacecraft had timber hulls however as heat shields.

Calling my shot before the video starts: The lunar module looks flimsy, because it was. There is no atmosphere on the moon, so materials could be thinner. The lunar module wasn't deployed while exposed to Earth's atmosphere, so again, the materials could be lighter. The materials needed to be lighter because the idea of a rocket launch, weight is at a premium. So again, being lighter is a benefit. The area that needed protection and shielding was the re-entry module which didn't go to the surface of the moon.

@Rated314

11 ай бұрын

Nailed it. Forgot about gravity... but pretty good for a lay understanding

@John_Smith_60

3 ай бұрын

It's not exactly -rocket science- brain surgery.

@johnnytucker6709

2 ай бұрын

Nice

"I don't believe they went there and if you do you are stupid" This is the core of every moon lander denier's argument.

@FosterZygote

Жыл бұрын

Conspiracy theories are gnostic cults that let the willfully ignorant pretend that they're among the very few people in the world too clever to be fooled. It's basically intellectual wanking. That's why so many of them become angry when someone corrects their mistakes and misapprehensions. They're declaring their superior intelligence and they think anyone who tries to teach them something is calling them stupid. That probably explains why so many of them appear to be so poorly educated. They likely resented school and their teachers because they thought they were insulting them be saying, "here's something you need to know". Just look how many can barely construct cogent sentences.

@johnmindson237

Жыл бұрын

Actually I don't believe that there was a moon landing, but I don't think that people who buy it are stupid, we just have different opinions. For me the construction looks fake, but naturally it's not only that, there are many other details that point out it was fake that simply don't go hand in hand with facts and logic. But anyone is free to believe what they want.

@danneumann3274

Жыл бұрын

Not true, Some of us like to do the math of the stresses that even 5 psi can put on a panel. Thats 720 pounds per square foot or 6500 pounds per square yard. A quick look at the lems diagrams will show that these stresses are not possible on this craft. Oh wait, we are not able to see the diagrams. Taxpayers paid for this piece of junk and We are not able to examine the drawings. If You disagree, reply to this comment with a link to the diagrams

@downswingplayer9712

Жыл бұрын

@@danneumann3274 How do you know the craft can't take the stresses if you don't have the schematics for it, What are you basing your math on?

@danneumann3274

Жыл бұрын

@@downswingplayer9712 I estimate the stresses that would be put on a panel then listen to the description that the astronauts made of the thickness of the material. One said it could be poked through with a pencil if I recall correctly. I then use common sense as I am a CNC machine shop owner. I used to make race car parts that would be somewhat similar in design to components on space crafts. I have also made aircraft parts. I am not approaching this with no knowledge. Why don't they show us pictures of the lem being assembled. We could see these components and make a better assessment. This information belongs to the people as we paid for it.

I remember Jim Lovel talking about having to spend so much time in the LEM when the thirteen thing happened. He said he had everyone keep close to their helmets and oxygen masks in case they sprung a leak. He said it was so flimsy you could have punched through it, but it never failed once. He gave all the credit to the guys and staff at Gruman.

@mikestrohm3271

Жыл бұрын

Sorry kenparnell, but that is only true of the outside. What is not seen, which can be seen in images of the LEM under construction, is that the hull was made of an aluminium honeycomb overlaid with aluminium sheeting. It it could have been so flimsy as to punch through it how were the equipment modules attached? Don't forget there was also a hinged hatch which would have had to have something substantial to anchor it to the LEM and even the windows themselves needed sealing. Just look at 6:30 in the video and you can see how it was under the foil covering.

@tomstamford6837

Жыл бұрын

@@mikestrohm3271 Sorry Strohm, but even Buzz Aldrin commented on how thin the skin was noting pushing a pen against the skin would have perforated it. Yes, it was made of honeycombed aluminium, but it _was_ honeycombed, 1 inch thick, which means it is not a solid sheet of metal and was comprised of numerous voids. The LM was not pressurized to 1 atmosphere, but to 5 psi as Dave mentions so it could be very thin, thin enough to punch through As for hatches, etc, there is a frame work underpinning the vehicle, it wasn't just a tube of thin metal. While you can have a thin skin, it is just that, a skin which is attached to the frame while the hatches were attached to the solid frame work. It's like a modern jet airliner. The skin is thin, very thin, but between that skin and you sitting inside are layers of insulation and internal paneling to prevent you from perforating it. The windows and especially the doors and hatches aren't attached to the skin, but again... you guessed it... the framework, just as the internal equipment would have been on the LM.

@kenparnell4297

Жыл бұрын

@@mikestrohm3271 Not to disagree but I'll disagree with you. I too know more about the Apollo program than most.

@mikestrohm3271

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstamford6837 Wrong

@mikestrohm3271

Жыл бұрын

@@kenparnell4297 So how do you explain the images of the LEM construction which show a solid hull before the foil and other types of outer heat reflectors were added?

Flat earthers are the definition of "double think". It's funny to me. Like in one breath they will say this and that about nasa's millions of dollars budget, in the next nasa is using tinfoil and cheap stuff to fake it... because that makes sense...

@raptorwhite6468

Жыл бұрын

Just like they claim that footage from inside of the ISS is made in a zero g flight, but at the same time gravity doesn't exist and it's all density, which would make zero g flights impossible

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

@@raptorwhite6468 Agreed. And that's the point Dave made. If NASA wanted to fake it, the flimsy looking lunar lander is the very last thing they'd design. And then the conspiracy idiots point and say "haha, NASA must have faked it because look at that thing!" without have the critical thinking to sit down and consider everything as the NASA engineers did and as Dave has done here. The analogy with Lindbergh's "Spirit of St Louis" is a very good one.

@MrT------5743

Жыл бұрын

Yep, same with the Van Allen belts. They claim no one can get through them, so don't believe NASA they did go through them, but also believe NASA that the belts even exist. Why would NASA even say the belts exist and they need to get through them if it's all fake?

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

it doesn't make sense you are just proving how silly this foil and cardboard prop really is.., you can even see curtain rods in the frame 😅😅😅

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

@@raptorwhite6468 what you call zero G can exist on flat models that just use densities.... it's all about match the speed of which medium you are equalizing through

Haven't watched and im certain this is the video but my dad and I talked about it when I was a child, like grade school and it took me about 7 seconds to understand that it needed to be light as possible and because it would not encounter any friction of any kind and because it would operate in an environment where everything would be much lighter it didn't need to be very strong. It took my dad 10 seconds to explain to a gradeschooler and these grown adults can't put this together. These people are straight embarrassing

If Grumman were just building a mockup for looks, they most certainly would have made it look more substantial - the company had a reputation for building extremely tough naval aircraft, and the Bethpage factory was nicknamed the "Iron Works". If they built something light and flimsy - they were doing it for real engineering reasons.

@osutuba

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it amazes me how the deniers don't consider the fact that back in 1960 all the engineering was being done with pen and paper rather than computers. If you take that into consideration and look at the VOLUMES of material that was written for this project to be successful, I think some people would wise up.

@edkrzywdzinski9121

3 ай бұрын

​@@osutubaYou know they're going to do that. It's easier to go and make ghe "fake" comment, than type it into a search and read up on it. Oh right.... I forget NASA lost all the info. Another idiotic statement they love to repeat.

"The fact that it looked so fake, sorta validates the fact that it was real". Best. line. ever.

@forbiddenscience1970

Жыл бұрын

I dont understand this statement at all it seems to be some sort of doublespeak. Like when Elon Musk said his car in orbit must be real because it looks so fake. It seems like idiotic gibberish to me. So if something looks fake it makes it more real......why?

@wilfred-wils

Жыл бұрын

Just like Elon Musks, "It has to be real because it looks so fake". Utter nonsense, it looks so fake because it is fake.

@ValMartinIreland

Жыл бұрын

What school told you that.

@mortb9

Жыл бұрын

And yet 99% of our fellow Americans believe this actually happened. sigh

@yousefyaghoobi282

Жыл бұрын

​@mortb9378 Yeah, because they're not stupid

That's the difference between engineering and conspiratorial thinking - and engineers don't care about idiots.

@thearmouredpenguin7148

Жыл бұрын

Never a truer word.

My favorite episode of the mini series From the Earth to the Moon was about the company building the lunar module/lander.

@yassassin6425

Жыл бұрын

'Spider'. Agree, superbly cast and brilliantly told. This - kzread.info/dash/bejne/hG2kmbWmqcKchJc.html

@vksasdgaming9472

Жыл бұрын

I personally liked episode about first landing and one about astronaut's geological studies better. All episodes were really good.

@yassassin6425

Жыл бұрын

@@vksasdgaming9472 '1968' was really good, as was 'That's All There Is?'

not only is this a highly informative video, but, and perhaps more importantly, that is clearly a well loved dog.

The lunar module looks real. It's all the spaceships in movies and TV that look fake.

@osutuba

4 ай бұрын

Even the ones designed to replicate the actual spacecraft that have been used?

@SiXiam

4 ай бұрын

@@osutuba yes

@NiKo2935

4 ай бұрын

the most of them look fake

i really liked your alantic flight analogy, gonna be using it in the future it also makes me super excited for the day when we'll be making flight to the moon and back like it's a holiday vacation

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

sipping our cocktails and watching the telly :)

@markdavies2115

Жыл бұрын

If it happens in my lifetime and I go...it will be the first time it's ever rained on the moon.

That always bugged me. "It looks fake, with all that tinfoil and whatnot". Like ok, are you an aeronautics engineer? Or any kind of engineer for that matter? Didn't think so. What did you expect it to look like, something out of star trek?

@DIGIPIX55

4 ай бұрын

The hoaxers are not really the sharpest tools in the shed.

Keep up the good work of educating those who are ignorant about physics, orbital mechanics, engineering, the moon and outer space.

@justgottadoit2

4 ай бұрын

And you

The image of the lunar module with no crumpled reflective material is one of the most effective I have ever seen in teaching about it's true nature. Now I realise that it only had to withstand 5 psi internal pressure and had ribbing to make the walls stronger it's much easier to believe it was entirely suited to the journey to the moon's surface. There was a saying that astronauts had to be pretty careful using any pointy tools in the LEM because it was very easy to poke a hole in it by accident!

@bidensucks2922

Жыл бұрын

debunked myth

@AbuMaia01

Жыл бұрын

I believe the external ribbing also served to minimize the amount of surface contact area, further helping to keep heat out.

@ihcterra4625

Жыл бұрын

@@bidensucks2922 a flerf and a MAGA? That fits. Both hate the truth.

@bidensucks2922

Жыл бұрын

@@ihcterra4625 lol...all you traitors do is lie and hate

@ihcterra4625

Жыл бұрын

@@bidensucks2922 the more you say, the more you prove me right.

No need to worry about aerodynamics when you got no aero.

Apollo 9 tested both ascent and descent stage of the LEM in Earth orbit, Apollo 10 took one to moon orbit, and performed a full test of descent orbits, and abort procedures as well as rendezvous with the CSM afterwards, then returned to earth. All of this is easily findable on this internet thing we are using. Finding books published before the internet that cover this in detail is trivial as well.

The argument that makes me facepalm is the idea that the pressure inside the LM would be too high. Apparently flat earthers have never seen an aluminum can containing carbonated liquid. Edit: same applies to moon landing deniers who aren’t flat earthers.

@cargy930

Жыл бұрын

Or a child's balloon.

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

and I think a military-grade spaceship has slightly higher strength than a can

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

@@LineOfThy A drink can has to hold 1000kPa. The LM has to hold 40kPa.

@thecraftycreeper3167

Жыл бұрын

@@LineOfThy you would think so, but tin cans are quite strong carbonated drinks put a lot of pressure on the container

@thearmouredpenguin7148

Жыл бұрын

The usual response you get from science deniers, such as flerfs or moon landing deniers, is that a pop (soda) can is not in a vacuum... because according to science denier maths, the difference between 1 and 0 is many times the difference between 2 and 1.

I like the foil. I think it looks neat to use a minimal weight design, in a weird graceful engineering kind of way. I've seen the rover up close here in Florida. The wheels are metal with hundreds of holes, giving it a rigid lightweight design with no need for rubber parts.

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

they claim high velocity dust and rocks are all over space and the lunar surface.... magic foil?

@snonsig2688

Жыл бұрын

​@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 it'd say you're kinda forgetting how large space is

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

@@snonsig2688 outer space is fiction all we have is earth

@frost8077

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 I've never heard anything about that before.

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 space... is big. therefore, the density of dust is very low. Less dust = less impact = less damage. Also, for the most part, the lander was concealed in a rocket whilst it drifted through the exosphere, the place with the most debris. I love it when people like you try to act smart

Good heavens, thank you. That's a whole lot of information that I and the vast majority of people have never heard or considered. Thank you so much for your clarity, it's like my brain is being massaged and my heart oozes feeling like I'm safe and in good company. Really loving your channel, Thank you agian.

If I was trying to trick the "IDIOTS" I would certainly have used a more Spacey-looking craft... fins, antennas, weird bits and bobs hanging off it. The gaul of NASA to use something "fit for use" instead.

@Someone-sq8im

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Use what works, not what looks like it would

@DIGIPIX55

4 ай бұрын

I think a lot of people don't realize how much weight they actually sent into lunar orbit. Even the modern Artemis can't match it. Saving weight was absolutely critical.

My though: engineers are not designers, we don't create things to look nice, we do them to WORK first and foremost. If someone wants to add some decors on it afterward, why not, as long as it doesn't thwart the initial purpose of the object.

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

Architects are the antithesis of engineering - they start with a look and expect an engineer to make it work…

@danymalsound

Жыл бұрын

Right on! This makes me think of Gene Krantz's line from Apollo 13 (movie): "I don't care what it was DESIGNED to do, I only care about what it CAN do."

@brunomeral7885

Жыл бұрын

@@almscliffe Funny, I might have tried to use paint brushes and color crayons when I drawn electronic circuits (years ago) instead of this boring professional CAD program, and being constraint by the rules of physics to do them!!!! The word design don't always mean the same thing depending of the domain of usage, ie. fashion industry or electronic engineering.

@perry92964

Жыл бұрын

a perfect example would be the corvair, who in there right mind would design a fan belt system that has a 90 degree bend in it? it was engineered like that cause they had to work with what they had to make it all work

@ThunderClawShocktrix

Жыл бұрын

@@allangibson8494 even worse is when the beancounters design it cuase they dont care about either looks OR function only penny pinching

These folks seem to forget that there are still people alive who watched or listened via radio to this live. We did NOT have CGI back then, hell we barely all had TV's back then as they were very expensive still. In my town, you still picked up the phone and asked to be connected to a number, you didn't dial and you hoped like hell your gabby neighbor wasn't on the line yacking to her girlfriend (yes you could just listen to other folks conversations). I watched this on my grandma's black and white tv (with all the big glowing tubes in the back). These idiots who think this was made up are insulting to the men and women who dedicated their lives to making this happen.

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

"These idiots who think this was made up are insulting to the men and women who dedicated their lives to making this happen." This is a point I have made before. Humans DIED so that we could land people on the Moon. Its a massive insult to everyone involved from the astronauts right down to the canteen cooks who kept these people fed all those long nights of hard relentless work. And you claim fake? F*** you, deniers.

@SuperFlyCH

Жыл бұрын

And then there were the people that lost their lives to do the impossible. It truly is a slap in the face for these people.

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

not at all we just aren't brainwashed by the media like y'all were. this thing never left the Hollywood basement... Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a hollywood basement

@Teh_Duck

Жыл бұрын

I like to think of it as: the moon landing was such an achievement that people can not believe we did it.

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

Five of the thirty assigned Apollo astronauts died during the program. The actual flights were calculated to have a 10% probability of a loss of crew rate - and Apollo 13 came close to that as did the Apollo 15 LM (which almost toppled over on lunar landing (it landed on a crater rim and crushed the descent engine as a result)).

I love how your pup is so enamored with all the scratchies he’s getting!

@seasonedpudding194

11 ай бұрын

best part of the video

The first transatlantic flight was by John Alcock and Arthur Brown in 1919. Charles Lindbergh flew the first solo transatlantic flight in 1927.

John Alcock and Arthur Brown were British aviators who made the first non-stop transatlantic flight in June 1919.

@ericephemetherson3964

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. And the Wright brothers were not the first men piloting heavier than air machine. They were Albertos Santos-Dumont form Brazil and Gustave Whitehead from Connecticut.

It wasn't actually that "flimsy" either. If you look at the construction photos that entire front face was milled from a single slab of billet aluminum.

@russhamilton3800

5 ай бұрын

Yes! Ribbed structure

Forgeries always show with age. A painter forged Vermeer paintings in the 1930s - when we look at them now they look like they were painted IN the 1930s. Our current fashion is invisible to us - we think the 1970s and 1980s fashion looked ugly but OUR style/fashion today is just sensible or ‘normal.’ A faked spacecraft in the 1960s would like like a Star Trek shuttle. And engineers TODAY would see easily that such a craft couldn’t even land properly. Space is real - astronomy is real - our space programs our real - there is no centuries long conspiracy orchestrated by ‘them.’ Let it go.

I have worked on satellites. They all look like they are made of foil and duct tape because they are made for light weight and an environment different from what we are used to in our daily lives.

I used to be a Moon hoaxer, and have had discussions with current Moon landing deniers. I have absolutely no idea where the lunar module “wAs nEveR tEstEd!!!” comes from - There were three Apollo missions dedicated to testing it prior to Apollo 11….

@gowdsake7103

Жыл бұрын

Because when you take an incorrect position you HAVE to lie

@Kyrelel

Жыл бұрын

@@gowdsake7103 Only if you are being deliberately deceitful, otherwise falsehoods are not considered lies.

@Kyrelel

Жыл бұрын

If they deny that space exists, they will not accept that the module was tested in space :/ It was, however, tested in a vacuum chamber on Earth prior to deployment.

@forbiddenscience1970

Жыл бұрын

Mike what made you go from thinking the landings were hoaxed to thinking they actually went if you dont mind me asking?

@gowdsake7103

Жыл бұрын

@@forbiddenscience1970 Science, evidence, intelligence, and reasoning skills. As opposed to nu huh and me dun unnerstan

The metallised mylar is nothing like tinfoil, it is incredibly tough.

I've never thought it looked fake. I thought it looks beautiful. A machine designed to carry us to history.

My favorite part is that the same people that claim it looked fake also claim that everything was compartmentalized. If most of the engineers working on the project thought they were actually designing something that would land on the Moon, why wouldn't they design something that is space worthy? And if they didn't design it that way, why did none come forward to claim that the LEM would have never gotten the job done?

@therealzilch

Жыл бұрын

If they vetted their claims for logical coherence, they wouldn't have become conspiracy theorists in the first place.

@wilfred-wils

Жыл бұрын

@@therealzilch His own framing debunks his questions. Compartmentalised as in 1000s of people contributed a tiny piece each, they didn't know where their piece was going or what it was going to be attached to. Do you think they were giving out the full plans of the craft to everyone?

@therealzilch

Жыл бұрын

@@wilfred-wils The plans for all of NASA's spacecraft are freely available online and have been for a long time. And if you think that engineers could work from plans just for their part, you have no idea how things work in the real world.

@Jan_Strzelecki

Жыл бұрын

@@wilfred-wils _Compartmentalised as in 1000s of people contributed a tiny piece each, they didn't know where their piece was going or what it was going to be attached to._ That is incorrect. We know for a fact that the _Apollo_ program wasn't compartmentalized, and that it _couldn't_ have been compartmentalized - pretty much every subcontractor had to know where their piece was going or what it was going to be attached to. _Do you think they were giving out the full plans of the craft to everyone?_ No, because those subcontractors were the ones that actually made those plans in the first place.

@wilfred-wils

Жыл бұрын

@@Jan_Strzelecki ok so list all the subcontractors and how many employees from each there were. You should try reading the comment before the one you are replying to first or you just sound ignorant

Thank you Dave, you make me think there really is hope for the internet

@MariaMartinez-researcher

Жыл бұрын

Uh... I would say, hope for KZread? The internet allows you to check Wikipedia, access a bunch of libraries, academic journals, museums websites, get a certificate on a course you took online, and communicate with almost every place on the planet. I'll say that's good enough.

@robertt9342

Жыл бұрын

@@MariaMartinez-researcher. I think they mean “internet” as in the people who you would encounter on it.

@mooneyes2k478

Жыл бұрын

@@MariaMartinez-researcher The internet has also allowed stupid to flourish at an unprecedented rate, created echo-chambers for that stupid to reinforce itself, etc. And considering the level of edit wars, affronted huffing and plain vandalism-edits on wikipedia, I wouldn't use it as something promoting the advantages of the internet.

@MariaMartinez-researcher

Жыл бұрын

@@mooneyes2k478 Librarian here. The same has been said of TV, movies, radio, books, and writing itself. Nothing new in that regard. I have seen many very stupid and wrong books.

@mooneyes2k478

Жыл бұрын

@@MariaMartinez-researcher Oh, absolutely. The downside of the internet is the speed and reach it has. Books are far less accessible and available. The internet is great for many many things, wouldn't do without it, and even if we could, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. But, it lends itself very very well to spreading stupid faster than you can catch up.

I worked for Grumman as a summer job in building 2. The LEM (as it was called back then) was being built on the ground floor. The construction area was separated from the rest of the factory by what looked like 2x4's and covered with clear polyethylene film. I would go down and look in on the construction during my lunch breaks. I can assure you, it was real.

@doubledrats235

Жыл бұрын

My Cub Scout pack on Long Island took a trip to Grumman. One of our fathers was an engineer there. I remember watching them building the LEMs knowing that some day those things I was looking at would be on the moon. That father also used to bring 16mm films from NASA to show at some monthly pack meetings. Might have helped to influence me to become a mechanical engineer.

@busterhikney6936

Жыл бұрын

Reindeer is real. Santa's reindeer is not. Just because someone builds something doesn't mean it going to do a job.

@thegreatdivide825

Жыл бұрын

@@busterhikney6936 It sounds like your parents

@busterhikney6936

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreatdivide825 Just because they hired your mother to sweep and mop didn't mean they were gonna pay it.

@johnstimpson6834

Жыл бұрын

cool! Really wish they could had been there.

It was NO FAKE, the Lunar module was flimsy, but it all worked perfectly.

If they faked the Apollo 11 moon landing, why would they fake it 5 more times? 🤷🏻‍♂️😂😂😂

@jason_m_schmidt622

5 ай бұрын

$$$$$

@Mike_Davidson

5 ай бұрын

@@jason_m_schmidt622 😂😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️

The shot at 6:30 gives a lovely view of the actual structure underneath all the insulation and micrometeorite shielding. To anyone familiar with aircraft construction, it looks much like a supersonic airframe turned inside out, and, in fact, the Grumman team who designed the LM next went on to design the F-14 Tomcat. The "foil" was actually an insulation material called Kapton, developed by DuPont. It was applied in multiple layers, all hand crumpled prior to installation to minimize thermal conduction. The Ascent Stage, on top, was also surrounded by a couple of layers of aluminum micrometeorite shielding, suspended on stand-off posts to provide spacing between each layer and the pressure hull. Micrometeorites striking the spacecraft would be traveling at such a high speed differential that they would essentially turn to a plasma upon contact with the shielding. This would disperse their energy over a much larger area of the next layer, making penetration much less likely. This is much the same concept behind the stand-off armor used to detonate shaped charges a distance away from the actual armored vehicle, dispersing the energy over a wider area. There was also more Kapton film in layers between the micrometeorite shielding.

@richardmartin7824

Жыл бұрын

Foster, I am seventy one, and witnessed this event, no one can tell me it was "staged"..

@richardmartin7824

Жыл бұрын

It is sad to see the " skeptics" Fooster, these people were not even invented then, I understand well.

@richardmartin7824

Жыл бұрын

Typo, Foster.

" _With poor education you can achieve any stupid idea._ " - me while looking at conspiracy theorists

@robertt9342

Жыл бұрын

Well there’s that peaceandwealthseeker in the comments demonstrating that.

@ihcterra4625

Жыл бұрын

If you don't care about truth, any conspiracy theory is plausible.

@Catalin-Stefan

Жыл бұрын

@@robertt9342 Thx for the info. Just got nuked 🤣

@zinussan50

Жыл бұрын

Perfect unintelligent quotes 😂😂😂 hahaha

@id10t98

Жыл бұрын

Watching videos of the lunar lander leaving the surface of the moon are downright hilarious when thinking that anyone could believe that was real. No dust clouds, camera pans perfectly up to watch it because some guy "knew the delay and timed it" absolutely perfectly on the first attempt...yeahhhh...i got that memo too.

The Lunar Module, as flimsy looking as it was, proved far more robust during the Apollo program than its designers could have hoped. There is the well known story of Apollo 13, where its tiny interior space had to serve as a lifeboat for three astronauts for several days when it was only designed to hold two. Then on the next mission, Apollo 14, the latching mechanism to join the Command and Lunar Modules together was malfunctioning and wouldn't engage. Astronaut Stu Roosa made several attempts before finally ramming the heavy Command-Service Module assembly into the Lunar Module at a much higher speed than was recommended before the latches finally closed. The Lunar Module remained structurally fine. After Apollo 14 the Lunar Module was loaded with far more payload for the last few missions than had been initially conceived, including the Lunar Rovers.

The HBO Series From The Earth To The Moon has an episode called Spider that explains much of the process of developing the Lunar Module after the Lunar Orbit Rendevous system was chosen. It's still a work of entertainment, but Moon Hoaxers would have many basic questions answered by watching that one hour episode.

@yassassin6425

Ай бұрын

'Spider' is my favourite episode along with 'That's All There Is'.

Having been involved in constructing components for NASA vehicles, I know the stringent requirements made for each component , as I was the lead QC/QA person that did the testing to those standards. It wasn't fake.

@ddegn

Жыл бұрын

NASA published a "best practices" guide for electronics. I learned a lot from the publication and it greatly improved my designs for scientific instruments. By following their requirement that heat shrink tubing needs to be transparent has made my life much better. I haven't directly worked on any NASA related projects but I think some of my microcontroller code is in orbit. You're correct, the moon landings weren't fake. I hope you are aware of the KZread channel *CuriousMarc.* He has lots of great videos about old Apollo tech.

@gecsus

Жыл бұрын

@@ddegn The company I was working for at the time we made the cables was Raychem Corporation, the inventor of Cross Linked Polymers (Heat Shrink Tubing). I think it is owned by Tyco now. It was the Space Shuttle Computer Control Cables that I personally inspected. I headed up the QC lab in the cabling department in the Electronics Division of Raychem at the time. We also made the cabling for Al Juniors Winning Indy Car and was fortunate in meeting him at Laguna Seca.

@jocec3283

Жыл бұрын

I work in aerospace engineering myself, and the QC and tolerances requirements are simply nuts. I can only imagine how much more demanding it was for all the space programs... Yet, those deniers, without having ANY knowledge whatsoever about how to make those things, and what is required to do, will keep arguing about it.

@ddegn

Жыл бұрын

@@jocec3283 I'm amazed at how many people think their ignorance of how something could be done is somehow proof the thing wasn't done. Some questions I've seen from the deniers: "How did could the lunar rover's batteries possibly cool down without an atmosphere?" "How can film survive vacuum?" "How could the astronauts possibly talk to Nixon on the phone?" These questions all have really interesting answers if they bothered to look but instead they think their ignorance on these topics is somehow proof the landings were faked. Again, I recommend the KZread channel *CuriousMarc* to anyone interested in Apollo tech.

@Mangaka-ml6xo

Жыл бұрын

I don't and can't work, I can assure you that I have no clue how things work outside watching a few videos here and there regarding anything with engineering. The only QA I ever did was tasting what my buddy or my GF cooked, it feels a bit less fancy and important tho. 👍

I feel like the biggest stigma about the moon footage being faked comes from the fact that it’s otherworldly, it’s not earth it’s space, a completely different environment where light behaves differently and it can be a challenge to wrap your head around that everything is practically in zero gravity

@jalene150

Жыл бұрын

Light doesn’t behave differently though according to basic physics. The footage just looks very questionable and edified at times. It’s also really strange how we simply stopped going a long time ago. We should have 8k footage by now :/

@SpasticSpelunker

Жыл бұрын

@@jalene150 probably should have elaborated that what I meant was about the lack of an atmosphere makes light more sharp and negates effects of things becoming ‘blurred’ at a distance. But you’re right it will be cool to see digital 8k photography of the lunar surface…. and then watch flat eathers claim it’s CGI…

@julesdomes6064

Жыл бұрын

@@jalene150 Strange? The funding was cut due to the enormous cost. The main objectives had been achieved after the six landings. Nothing strange about it.

@gonzomuse

Жыл бұрын

@@jalene150 It's only "strange" in the same way it's strange that we could fly across the Atlantic in a Mach 2 passenger airplane in the 1970s, while 50 years later passenger jets only fly at one-third that speed. We "should" be flying at Mach 9. Footage of men in 1/6th gravity and a vacuum is going to look unusual. There are no credible examples of fraudulent "editing".

@UpperDarbyDetailing

Жыл бұрын

​@@jalene150 First, light does behave differently, there's no atmosphere to scatter the light. Second, nothing is strange about it, the budget was cut and used for other things like the ISS. Third, you can't add detail. What you started with is all you get. If you want it in 8k I'm sure you can pay some effects company to refilm it with CGI for a few hundred thousand dollars.

Tbh the Soviet LK lander was certainly more barebones. Only a single crew member had to EVA to get into the thing from the command module and it was more like a mercury capsule that you’d wear rather than live inside it

@mako88sb

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I understand they would have eventually built a two-manned version but of course they never progressed that far.

The Apollo 10 Lunar Module descended to within 8 miles of the Moon's surface, not 50 as you said.... Superb video, however. Thank you!

I love the fact you don't try to insult the people who believe these things you simply counter them with facts and logic and attempt to simply explain reality to them it's very refreshing to hear some proper debunking and answering rather then just bashing people for believing something that they think is the truth.

@XxxXxx-br7eq

Жыл бұрын

With the moon's gravity and the weight of the eagle lander the amount of thrust required to land would have done things to the surface that just weren't done at least with the evidence we were shown. If they did go to the Moon they didn't show us one piece of the real moon that's for sure and it's funny how overtime that use tactics to socially engineer and brainwash people into believing it. For example I noticed that a much higher percentage of the population is afraid to come out about how obviously fake the moon landing is ever since the flat-earth situation. They made that so popular as a tactic to try to get people to think while this one stupid so going against any narrative is going to be stupid now so let's just believe everything the ruling class wants us to. Meanwhile NASA's spending like how many millions of dollars a day and literally just rolling around with rovers that do nothing on deserted Islands

@forbiddenscience1970

Жыл бұрын

I agree, as a Flat Earther it is hard being insulted all of the time. Much better when people calmly explain their opinions and positions without lots of insults. We are all people with feelings after all.

@CarlosAM1

4 ай бұрын

​​@@forbiddenscience1970I mean this in the best way possible but please listen to them. You sound like a good person, get out of these conspiracy things, they won't do you any good.

@forbiddenscience1970

4 ай бұрын

@@CarlosAM1 hey thanks for your kind words Carlos I appreciate that man.

To Space-Deniers: You yourself can confirm we did, indeed, go to the moon by bouncing a laser off of retro-reflectors astronauts left there. Space is real. Deal with it.

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

Most people that try to say that space is fake are so stubborn and outright stupid that facts will not work

@GalacticScrooge

Жыл бұрын

Ok, I just pointed a laser at the moon. Now what?

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@GalacticScrooge oh you child

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

@@GalacticScrooge I doubt you did. But it's a laser range finder. Long distance one. If you got an actually good one you can measure distance to the moon from your yard.

@GalacticScrooge

Жыл бұрын

@@typhoon1575 That is complete rubbish.

“The fact that it looks so fake validates the fact that it was real” I’ve been using this line for years to explain my love for the 60’s Godzilla movies

@gunsrtheanswer

5 ай бұрын

good one

I totally agree. The fact that the Emperor appears to have no clothes actually proves that he is indeed wearing clothes. 👍

Easy, there is no reason to build no structural elements to look like something out of star trek. There is no air to cause friction damage so no need to have a cowling.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and as I have told the deniers, this is how deep sea research vehicles ar built now and they have to deal with far more massive pressures than 7psi.

@Isolder74

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 I love them bringing up the flying bedstead as well. They didn’t test it on Earth, well why would they? What purpose would is serve? Just like the Soviets you test a space vehicle in space where you can see how well it works. It’s like these idiots don’t think any of the other missions had no purpose and 11 just happened all by itself.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

@@Isolder74 exactly it was never designed to be capable of atmospheric flight.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

@@Isolder74 actually the Gerry Anderson "Space 1999" Eagle transporters bear a lot of similarities to the Eagle lander, Strangely I didn't make the connection until now, Dohh!

@ShizukuSeiji

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 Yes, they were just a mesh of struts with a cabin at the front whose viewing windows were a direct take from the LEM and an engine at the back and various cargo pods could be placed between the two. They were a much more sensible sci-fi design than Kubrick's 2001 space ship.

I love how they think Nasa is simultaneously both able to convincing CGI before Pixar was even doing 3D animation at all, and unable to do convincing CGI

@samgoodman-qx9sb

Жыл бұрын

Do you know when space Odyssey was made🤦 go back to playing with your crayons.

@JayBagent

Жыл бұрын

​@Sam Goodman Space Odyssey was made using props and models, not cgi

@samgoodman-qx9sb

Жыл бұрын

@@JayBagent a projector was used for the background and the the line in which the set meets the fake background looks almost identical to the "moon landing" footage👌 lots of rocks and detail until the set ends and the projector.

@CNCmachiningisfun

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoodman-qx9sb Grow up, and get a clue!

@Ratciclefan

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoodman-qx9sb there's something really amusing about trying to use technological advancements in order to disprove technological advancements

The lunar module never had to move through an atmosphere, that is the major reason why it would look completely different from aircraft.

it was built for a purpose. not beauty.

In other news, submarines are fake because those rubber tiles clearly can't be holding it together.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Or that the Challenger tank is protected by ceramic tiles, yet our kitchen plates can't protect us against a rock

@Jan_Strzelecki

Жыл бұрын

Our houses are held together by their wallpapers!

Thanks, Dave! I've noticed that Flat Earthers in the last year have really begun repeating in earnest that the lunar module was never tested on Earth (or some say never tested at all), as if it's some crushing point. The fact is, as you say, there were plenty of tests. They just didn't land the LM on Earth because it was never designed for that. Similarly, cruise ships are not tested on land.

@spook4597

Жыл бұрын

Personally, I won't step foot on any cruise ship that hasn't been tested for conditions on Rodeo Drive, Beverly Hills, California. Just to be safe, ya know?

@clivedavis6859

Жыл бұрын

You mean they don't test to see what the effects would be if the cruise ship ran aground? Oh dear, how careless of them.

@Asura12

Жыл бұрын

Yeah always gotta watch out for fringe theorists they always say "Studies were never conducted" and conveniently miss out on the directly relevant studies and tests. This is happening alot recently with Covid. I think recently Russel Brand went on that god awful Joe Roegan podcast and was talking about how "natural immunties studies were never conducted because big pharma wants to keep you down". Whilst it may be true "big pharma does want to keep you down" lol but the fact of the matter is there are countless tests both pre and post covid which study the effects of natural immunities and they always come back with, they are less effective than directly targetted vaccines because of course lol. Most of the studies were done by academic institutions (because of course that is what they are there for) which might be their contention but I mean who cares the studies are there and probably slightly more valid since they are done by academics. But somehow people who have fringe ideas either just completely miss out on the these studies or more likely didnt even bother taking even a quick check on google scholar to see if there is any validity to what they are saying.

@jwb932

Жыл бұрын

@@Asura12 Right. And it's not even like the astronauts didn't practice flying a lunar module stand-in on Earth. That's what the LLRV was for. This was one of the most dangerous flying machines ever constructed and nearly killed Neil Armstrong, but NASA kept using a version of it because as Deke Slayton once said, "It may be dangerous, but sending a man to the Moon without training is even more dangerous." And there were also, of course, simulators.

@rickmoore3730

Жыл бұрын

@@clivedavis6859 Well one Italian Captain did and it didn't turn out well .

"It's fake because it doesn't look like this other fake thing!" The lunar module was designed with the realities of spaceflight firmly in mind, and the most severe constraint on said design is the mass. It's flimsy because it _had_ to be - a heavier-built lunar module would require a proportionally bigger rocket to launch it to the moon, and the Saturn V was already ridonkulously huge.

I watched the moon landing with my much older brother back then, and have been looking through telescopes ever since. Well, I tried to watch it all but I was 5 years old. In any case, the fact they sent people to the moon with computers that had less technology than a modern calculator, speaks to the ingenuity of humans. The module looked slap-dashed, because it kind of was, as you said. They went through many additions and subtractions. It's awesome and totally crazy. And never have I even entertained the notion it didn't happen, that's absurd.

@nunomartins2209

Жыл бұрын

It never happen its fantasy

@robertoroberto9798

Жыл бұрын

@@nunomartins2209 Nice trolling.

@wilfred-wils

Жыл бұрын

Not entertaining the idea that an obvious fabrication was fabricated is quite absurd

@jamesberwick2210

Жыл бұрын

I remembered being glued to the TV that entire afternoon and evening as they landed then climbed out and stepped on the surface of the moon. Weeks earlier, I graduated from high school. Another month and I'd be in Basic Training in the Air Force. Three or four years later, assigned to an Air Rescue squadron, we worked for NASA as Atlantic recovery for the Apollo launches, I went on one of the early Skylab missions, work at night to practice, the night of the launch, we launched aircraft to be in position if anything went wrong, a minute after launch, planes back tossed our gear on board, left sunny Spain, Rota Naval base, for the ride back to England where we were based, RAF Woodbridge, cold and wet. Had nice tans from a week in Spain, but those wore off quickly in England.

@wilfred-wils

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesberwick2210 Have you ever watched the program you watched that night again?

I always love it when the deniers try to say that Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo footage, while also saying the lander looks like it was built out of cardboard and foil by children. Ok, so look at 2001 A Space Odyssey. That came out before the Apollo missions. How can the Apollo footage look so cheap if Kubrick was involved? Did he forget how to make movies? Was there not enough money in the budget to conduct the biggest hoax of all time? How can the deniers possibly hold both positions?

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

...the moon mission happened in 1969. What the fuck are you on about? Yeah its real I agree but what??

@Top-Code

Жыл бұрын

@@typhoon1575 2001 a space odyssey didn’t come out in 2001, yeah it’s confusing I know

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

@@Top-Code 1968... huh. Go figure. Yea guess that's on me.

@hellspark

Жыл бұрын

@@typhoon1575 Moon landing deniers often say two things; Apollo 11 was directed by Kubrick, and the footage looks terrible and fake. But Kubrick had already directed a film depicting people traveling to the moon, and it looks amazing. The two points are antithetical.

@awatt

Жыл бұрын

Kubrick would have insisted on shooting the moon landing on location. 😂

Love the end, cause it went through my mind as well: If you were faking the moon landing, you'd make the landing craft look neater. The fact it looks so weird makes more sense for it to be the real deal. Also, while the landing module might never have been test-flown on Earth (which it quite possibly would never have been able to anyway), there were some contraptions that mimmicked the TWR and maneuverability of the lunar module, so the pilots could train with those. I think they used jet-engines, though.

@richarddickjohnson516

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. The lander module couldn't be tested on earth without major modification due to the atmosphere and increased gravity. Technically, yes, it would still work, but the TWR would be too low to really do much, and the odd shape of the lander would cause various drag effects that decrease it's stability in flight. It wasn't designed for it after all. ___ There's some really cool videos of the training vehicles used by the astronauts if you want a better idea of how they work. It's basically just a stripped down version of the lunar lander, an open cockpit attached to a simple frame with all the same computerized flight controls and maneuvering thrusters, etc. Like you mentioned, a jet engine was added pointing downward to provide enough thrust to counteract enough of Earth's gravity to simulate the weaker gravity of the moon. Not very much you can do about atmosphere though, especially since the jet engine needs it to work

@youcanhandlethetruth4695

Жыл бұрын

OR because they gave Cubrik the Job to fake it, way to late so he had to Improvise some shit, out of the Stuff he found on the Base.

@Mr_Wibble

Жыл бұрын

LLRV (aka flying bedstead) was used for training on earth and it did use a jet engine.

@h.a.9880

Жыл бұрын

@@youcanhandlethetruth4695 I mean sure, those that deny the moon landings are willing to say that it's one of the best-planned, most flawlessly executed conspiracies in human history, yet somehow at the same time, it's also the most incompetent and transparent. It's the tinfoil version of "Having your cake and eating it too."

@awatt

Жыл бұрын

​@@youcanhandlethetruth4695 Kubrick famously insisted on shooting it on location

"it doesn't look like the sci fi spaceships you see in the movies so it must've been faked by hollywood"

I saw it at the Kennedy space center, its far far far bigger than i thought.

I'm waiting for comments mentioning the "ten to the power of negative 18" ultrastrong vakuum. It boggles the mind flerfs don't understand that this only means: the pressure out there is very close to zero, and it's not hard to contain a pressure difference of 1 bar (let alone the measly 5 psi used on the LEM). Every car tire contains a bigger pressure compared with the athmosphere around it, and thats only some millimeters of fabric + rubber.

@peaceandwealthseeker4504

Жыл бұрын

Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a Hollywood basement

@RealJiffyCones

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 Prove it. We have photographs of earthvtaken from outer space and on actual film. You have a huge burden of proof to fulfill to disprove them.

@CherryGS

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 got any real arguments or are you just spouting the usual flerf/moonlanding denier bullshit?

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 yawn say something original at least

@christianege4989

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 So what? A line from a song proves exactly nothing. Like all pop songs, they do not have any truth inside of it.

What is it with you all people saying it looks fake. It doesnt.

Ha!! *FIREBALL XL5!* 10:51 I loved that show as a kid in the 60’s!

The LEM was built to work, and only that. Not to look good. And that's why it's such a beautiful machine.

@DIGIPIX55

4 ай бұрын

When you see a real one at Smithsonian it doesn't look ludicrous as come call it. It was built for a specific purpose with very narrow margins.

@fast-toast

4 ай бұрын

​​@@DIGIPIX55the landers are much bigger than I realised. When you look at them in films they seem quite small but once you see a scale moc up it realy makes you realise how big the LEM was.

@DIGIPIX55

4 ай бұрын

I've seen the real ones in DC and Florida. I don't find anything odd about them. It was a specialized vehicle with very strict weight demands.@@fast-toast

Over the years every single one of the points that just keep getting made have been answered and answered. All answers are ignored and the same questions keep being asked again and again. They really are beyond all hope.

Does anyone remember when Al Shepard got back onto flight status and was offered Apollo 13 by Deke Slayton? Shepard wanted Apollo 9 commander Jim McDivitt as his Lunar Module Pilot. McDivitt told Shepard to shove it because he wasn't playing second fiddle. McDivitt was one of the unsung heroes of Gemini and Apollo...

I saw the real thing at Kennedy space Center. I thought it was a fake mock up. I am a general contractor. I was literally thinking “my team could build something that looks more realistic than this and “then I found out it was an actual unused lander.

One of the best videos on this subject I've seen Dave. Well done indeed!

You know I got into your channel because of the Flerfs but man your videos are excellent quality and I learn a huge amount of new information whenever I watch one. Thank you!