Flat Earther: "Give me the evidence and I'll believe you." Normal Person: "Here's some evidence, here's how I collected it and where I collected it, this is the time of day it was collected." Flat Earther: "Please, that's obviously fake." Normal Person: "Well, you could recreate what I did and see if you get the same results." Flat Earther: "Nice try, shill! I won't fall for your lies!" There's no winning with these people.

@bertjesklotepino

11 ай бұрын

I think it is funny that this flat earther stuff became a viral thing again after another guy released a certain "documentary".

@tomaszwota1465

11 ай бұрын

@@Truth_Apologetics "top flat earthers" have exactly the same amount of evidence for their ideas and exactly the same amount of thinking put into their flat models as the "mediocre flat earthers" and "bottom flat earthers". Which is zero.

@stevenjohnson4190

11 ай бұрын

an actual argument from Fight The Flat Earth channel a few days ago : Flerf: show measurements of size of earth. FTFE: Here you are. Shows evidence. Flerf: I want measurements. FTFE: ok, here are actual measurements. shows actual measurements. flerf: those are written on paper. I want actual measurements. FTFE: wot ?? flerf: i dont want measurements on paper; i want actual measurements.

@shwingleman

11 ай бұрын

​@@Truth_Apologetics I am laughing at you

@TheDiamondMan_3

11 ай бұрын

“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray

While you are at it, would you mind setting up that camera again to capture the goalposts which will now move quicker than the ISS?

@MichaelOnines

11 ай бұрын

There isn't a shutter speed fast enough to capture those as they move. They are almost instantaneous.

@TriggeredLimey

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@bradleybarnett9545

11 ай бұрын

Funny! Very.

@JonathanTheZombie

11 ай бұрын

Top comment.

@Reverend_Salem

11 ай бұрын

suprisingly, he admitted defeat.

One of the most difficult things for human beings to do is admit that they were wrong. One of the most commendable things a human can do is to accept the truth.

@JustinOhio

8 ай бұрын

So true. As soon as I became as humble as possible after reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People” it changed my life. I can attribute all success I’ve had to that moment, not to mention I’ve learned so much since my mind has stayed open since then. People will respect someone soooo much more when they are willing to be wrong and own it. It’s a very hard lesson for people to learn and some people never do. If they can bring themselves to drop the ego though, they will see immediate results in life and go so much further. Imagine if all of humanity did this, we would be many times further in our research and knowledge if so.

@jimmynimbus757

8 ай бұрын

It’s hard to win a argument with a intelligent person, but impossible to win with a stupid person

@Heneling

7 ай бұрын

if you give anything to flat earthers they will say either its 'faked' or its 'government lies' ultimately its impossible to win an argument with them because they fail to accept the truth

@techmedia1360

6 ай бұрын

I don't know why people keep spreading blurbs like this, people feel a sense of superiority to others who admitted they were wrong, not a sense of respect. That's my observation

@JustinOhio

6 ай бұрын

@@techmedia1360 Yes, there are people who act like that. If you're around that crowd, get them out of your life, or if you work at an organization that has this mentality, then leave it. Anyone who can't respect someone else's authenticity and humbleness is just a POS themselves. We never get anywhere by always being criticized...and organizations that are filled with people who don't take any responsibility don't flourish. I've worked at both.

My sons and I saw the ISS fly over our small town some years ago. We gotten up early in hopes of getting a glimpse. We not only saw it moving overhead with the sun rising in the east, we also saw the departure of the space shuttle separating from the ISS and moving off to the south east. We realize we were fortunate to see that precise moment. Wish I had my phone camera trained on the ski at that moment.

@PWEIcom

8 ай бұрын

Sure

@mikewilson8513

6 ай бұрын

Great story, so lucky. But you would need something far more subtantial to photograph the ISS than a phone camera though.

@tOxIc_TrEaSuRe

6 ай бұрын

the large industry of making flat earth hit pieces is totally necessary because they are stupid

@asingularhuman

4 ай бұрын

bro what? @@YellHallelujahILY

@justin.w.06

4 ай бұрын

​​@@mikewilson8513 i saw the two solar pannel arrays on either side of it with my Celestron 90az telescope with a cellphone camera attatched that i got for 100 or so bucks! With enough practice tracking it and the right shutter speed jts not too hard to do

Having a flat eather say they consider a flat earth debunker to be trustworthy is a testament to how well put together and respectful these videos are.

@Tsudico

11 ай бұрын

It's easy for flat earthers to *_say_* it. They probably thought that Dave wouldn't put in the time or effort to _actually do_ it though because flat earthers _almost_ never accept evidence that runs counter to their belief. I think there are only two flat earthers that have done so publicly. Ranty indicates that his change of position was due to the evidence presented being geographically local so he could confirm it for himself. I don't know the story for the other one. If there are other former flat earthers that have changed their minds, they have do so by silently disappearing.

@richardaitkenhead

11 ай бұрын

Yeah this is high quality content for sure

@fredoverflow

11 ай бұрын

@@Tsudico Interesting, what geographically local evidence was that exactly?

@Tsudico

11 ай бұрын

@@fredoverflow I think, but could be mistaken, that it was a picture of Blackpool tower with the terrain behind it. Ranty knew there was a town on the shore that should have appeared across the water at the base of the mountains but the town was obviously not in the image. I think Ranty goes over it in detail in one of his earlier videos on his debunking channel, Auditing the Absurd. If it isn't there, it may be among Conspiracy Catz videos because it was Conspiracy Catz who walked Ranty through the image and why it shows the Earth isn't flat.

@victorfinberg8595

11 ай бұрын

believing anything a flat earther says is not advisable

"pokey"'s response is exactly what I would expect from a flat-earther: if the image isn't perfect, then it's "obviously not the ISS", but if it IS perfect, then it's "too perfect to be real". Any reasonable person would concede, but these are not reasonable people. But I sure appreciate your effort, Dave McKeegan.

@jrcather5196

11 ай бұрын

easy jock rider you have zero evidence for earth being a spinning ball

@ceostreams

11 ай бұрын

@@jrcather5196k let's say it was somehow not a globe, why the f would people want to lie about it's shape, I just want to understand that.

@robinspanier7017

11 ай бұрын

​@@jrcather5196 and you have zero evidence that its a pancake

@jrcather5196

11 ай бұрын

@@robinspanier7017 plenty of evidence that you need a new map

@jrcather5196

11 ай бұрын

@@ceostreams do some flipping research before you come at that broken record statement

It's easier to just launch and maintain the ISS than launch and maintain an ISS sized fake object that corresponds perfectly to an "ISS" tracking app.

@PWEIcom

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, holograms are so hard to employ, especially when you can create an app telling people when to look at it

@Masoch1st

2 ай бұрын

@@PWEIcom 1) you can't project a hologram into empty space 2) holograms don't produce shadows (moron)

@nounoufriend1442

Ай бұрын

@@PWEIcom What about the thousands of other satellite's we track / observe or the observed re-entry of orbital vehicle's or the ISS amateur radio station that emanates from ISS anyone can link to , not forgetting complexity's of projecting holograms worldwide undetected

@hatchedcoast7495

Ай бұрын

@@nounoufriend1442 don’t bother replying to the moron, some people won’t change no matter what you tell them.

@josephmorin8941

22 күн бұрын

No one needs launch a fake ISS sized object. The tracker app tracks some of the many ET ships currently in Earth's low orbit.

The problem lies in the statement "conspiracy theorist promises to concede" Most people into conspiracy theories have a sort of built in denial that sorts out anything even vaguely threatening to their worldview. When faced with threatening facts, they turn to avoidant behavior and at times angry, unreasoned gainsaying. It is like a personality type that ends up getting drawn into that stuff. I think a degree of self-referential narcissism is a prerequisite since most conspiracy theorist exhibit very poor capacity for critical thinking of course that comes with the territory.

@aquilajedi

8 ай бұрын

If they knew how to evaluate data, they wouldn’t be a CTer.

@JasonCoffman-xu5ks

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it is estimated that 11% of the worlds people have schizophrenia, much of it untreated Combine that with the safety and anonymity of utube, and you have explained much of the FE phenom. (Whereas these used to stand on streetcorners and yell at the moon) Also, there is the related issue of drug use to be considered

As a radio ham, I frequently use the ISS’ repeater, as do many other radio hams. The ISS only comes into range for a few minutes and is pretty much where it’s expected. During that time, I can receive and transmit (via the ISS) to people well outside normal line of sight range. Strange that I (and many others) should be able to do that if the ISS doesn’t exist.

@joeschmo3844

11 ай бұрын

In theory, if the flat earthers were right, you wouldn’t *need* the ISS to do that. It would just be a question of having a powerful enough transmitting antenna. The fact that you can _only_ do it when the ISS is in range is pretty strong evidence that earth isn’t flat.

@clebsgaming92

11 ай бұрын

Yes, and I’ve seen countless schools getting a ham radio to let the kids actually TALK to the astronauts there. They even have their own callsign. It’s amazing

@daveys

11 ай бұрын

@@clebsgaming92 - It’s a great thing to have a crack at, one of the many awesome things that you can do with a radio licence.

@xmlthegreat

11 ай бұрын

​@@clebsgaming92 woah that sounds insanely cool. "Honey, how was your day at school?" "Mom, I talked to the astronauts on the ISS!" I have never done anything as cool, let alone at school... If only.

@johnM-Jr

11 ай бұрын

I don't know much about Ham radios. You can reach to the ISS when it's 240 miles up? How far on land can you reach out with that same band? Do you just talk to the astronauts or do they relay the signal out farther. So the ISS how far can you reach with that relay?

i hate that we have reached a point where we all agreed that that we should do is doing the work for other people so we can convince them of the things they could easily find out by doing the work themselves.

@AVI-lh6rm

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention teaching them things they should've learned in school too.

@vitalyl1327

11 ай бұрын

@@AVI-lh6rm not to mention that all this effort is wasted, as they do not care about facts and reason, they just want to believe and for those beliefs to make them somehow "special". They're just sad primitive little nobodies who crave for attention, so we should not give them what they want. We must mock them instead and make them feel ostracised and hated.

@alflife2007

11 ай бұрын

@@AVI-lh6rm they probably have but then where going in this rabbit hole of crazy People that pushing this conspiracy´s.

@hjdhbcfjjb

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. Don't even bother. If they want us to hold their hand to educate them on basic obvious things, then pay us.

@TheRenofox

11 ай бұрын

The entertainment comes from watching flerfers struggle to deny the undeniable.

the way your dog asks for high fives and scratches whenever you talk with your hands is what keeps me coming back 🥺🥺🥺

Dave, all you need to do is ask a local Ham Radio operator. There's a repeater on the ISS which takes an up-link radio signal and sends it back down on another frequency. If the ISS wasn't there, a directional tracking antenna pointed out into space would not have a signal re-transmitted on the down-link. It would just go off out into space. Well done on the photography!

@seaztheday4418

8 ай бұрын

Ham operator here; can confirm - you can use even a handheld radio to receive SSTV signals sent from the ISS and then decode them into still images.

@Sympanet

8 ай бұрын

They would just say the radio stations are in on it and that they fake a return signal. There’s no proving anything to these people. You could send Pokie to the ISS and make him a believer, but everyone who thinks the same as him would write him off as a paid shill lying about his experience with fake video. A true exercise in futility.

@DigitalVG

8 ай бұрын

And if you had a Christmas dinner worth of hams spaced far enough apart and working together you could triangulate its position and track its movement. Of course, the flat Earth thing was disproven thousands of years ago by the ancient Greeks by putting two sticks in the sand at the tide line at the same time on the same day but some types are slow to catch on to easily reproducible experiments. I really just came here for the Christmas Hams.

@madisonlink7141

8 ай бұрын

The problem with debating conspiracy theories is that the theorists can make up explanations for your evidence as they go, and they don't even care if the explanations are mutually inconsistent and impossible. It's turtles all the way down, and the turtles are made of crazy.

@richfranks9161

3 ай бұрын

@@madisonlink7141you sound vaccinated

In the fall of 1957, when I was a little boy, my dad took us out in the yard one night (it was a country town with almost no light pollution) to see an amazing thing. He explained that the Russians had shot a tiny artificial moon into space that was circling the Earth. And we would see it soon. So we waited - and sure enough, in a little while a tiny bright point, like a star, suddenly appeared in the middle of the sky and slowly moved towards the horizon. He explained that it had been in Earth's shadow, then came out into the sunlight, and we were seeing the sun reflected off of it's surface. So that was before NASA, before CGI, before computers were made with transistors. And it was done by the Russians, not the evil American government which wants to fool us all about the nature of the cosmos for some reason. It was tiny - 58 cm in diameter, but against the black sky it was a bright point that anyone with normal vision could see as it orbited. Dad had already showed us how the moon changes every day, and how the shadow of the Earth on the moon is always a crescent, no matter what part of the sky it's in, because the Earth is a giant ball. And when we'd gone to the beach, we'd watched big ships move out to sea, slowly disappearing from the bottom up, and he'd explained the horizon to us. It was clear to me, at 6 years old, that we live on a giant sphere - and I wasn't just believing what my dad had told me, I'd seen the evidence.

@kevinfisher1345

11 ай бұрын

That reminds me of my youth. I was not quite as young as 6 though. At 5 yo I wondered what if Earth were a flat rectangle like the world atlas pulled down over the chalkboard when in kindie. And IF that were the case, then how come I could not see the nearby city if Earth were flat. Yea I had also seen a globe of Earth, but I was young and fanciful and wondered what if the stories of Columbus were true and he was trying to prove you would not fall off. So I did lots of observations, starting with the Sun, tracking it etc. And tons of other observations, some simple experiments and tons more observations. After several years, think I was around 8, I came to realization that no matter how hard I tried or how far up a tree I could get, I would never see the nearby city from my house because Earth was not a flat rectangle. Because Earth was clearly a sphere. I had seen the evidence, lots of it. Again yes I sort of already knew or at least been told this, but as I said I was young with a vivid imagination. I had even traced the analemma, although at that age I had no clue what it was called or precisely why. Was not until later in middle school that I learned that.

@ReValveiT_01

11 ай бұрын

Nice, but moon phases aren't "the shadow of the Earth on the moon"; that would be an eclipse. It's amazing how many people still think this.

@nunyabusiness9013

11 ай бұрын

It's a shame you didn't share your opinions about Russia in 57 so they could put you behind bars where you belong.

@veramae4098

11 ай бұрын

@@ReValveiT_01 Ha ha ha

@effervescentrelief

11 ай бұрын

Lack of observance of the physical world seems to be a first world problem that FE and other space deniers have.

Dave: "I was able to take a few of the photos and merge them in Photoshop." Conspiracy theorists: "Aha! I knew all of those pictures were photoshopped!"

@chriswhitehouse9137

11 ай бұрын

Right. As if we didn't do extensive improvement work on photos in darkrooms back in the day. Of course they've never used Photosohop or a darkroom.

@TheCaptainSlappy

11 ай бұрын

@@chriswhitehouse9137 I mean...Apollo Detectives do point out Dave is a fan of "moon photographs" and their extensive photoshopping back in the day.

@Redact63Lluks

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheCaptainSlappysee you know nothing about photography. If you don't do post processing you're just fucking around, and that isn't the point when you have nice camera equipment.

@PanglossDr

11 ай бұрын

Yes but he also explained exactly what he was doing and why. A very good, simple explanation in my opinion.

@Rhovanion85

11 ай бұрын

They don’t know what photoshop is. “You used a computer thing” seems a more plausible reaction.

A conspiracy theorist will NEVER admit they are wrong.

@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286

4 ай бұрын

Sadly, true.

@richfranks9161

3 ай бұрын

Because we’re not. Everything that was supposed to be a “conspiracy theory” turned out to be true. It’s your willingness to just put the popular attitude on something and call it facts without doing any real research of your own. It’s called a “hive mind” I’m sitting here right now watching a movie called “Life” it’s about an alien microbe aboard the ISS. Do you really think that this man actually debunked anything because if I wasn’t aware of the facts like you, I’d think that “Jake Gyllenhaal” was aboard the ISS flying around in outer space. I’m called crazy because I’m the guy running in the opposite direction of all the ones heading straight off a cliff.

@samtux762

3 ай бұрын

It depends. I once came across Moon landing conspiracy. It seemed believable. But then I met three arguments for Moon landing is real: (1) USSR captured the transmission from the Moon, not Hollywood (in the midst of the Cold War they would not support the US claims would those be fake). (2) Moon stones (shippedto the USSR) have multiple holes from micrometheoriths. This is hard to fake. (3) There are reflectors on the Moon placed by Apollo missions. Astronomers all over the world use those to measure the distance to the Moon. Just go to a department of Astronomy during the visitor day: they can show it working. So, the no landing conspiracy was busted.

@RaveyDavey

3 ай бұрын

@@richfranks9161😂 all conspiracy theories are now true?

@timfurnier7061

2 ай бұрын

Neither will a crazy conspiracy DENIER!!!!!!! You gladly surrendered you critical thinking, and now you are mindless automatons who are helpless to defend yourself against those who CONSPIRE AGAINST YOU because you'll never see it coming!!!! Now you don't have the capacity to see impending dangers such as oncoming traffic! GOOD LUCK!!!!!

One day I got home after dark, turned around and caught a bright light moving quickly across the sky, not unlike satellites I've seen before, though far brighter. At first I had no idea what I was looking at, but then it twigged that it was in a southerly direction and looked like a satellite, so it might just be the ISS. I simply went inside, looked up the ISS tracker, and lo and behold, it'd just passed south of me like a 100km away. That was such a cool thing to see and then be able to look up straight away.

Pokie asked and challenged a photographer... to take a photograph. What did they expect?

@victorfinberg8595

11 ай бұрын

in the flat earth paradigm, truth is determined entirely by how loud you shout. Since that is how they all behave, they expect everyone else to do exactly the same. they cannot comprehend that there exists a process by which you can collect evidence about ... anything.

@mihan2d

11 ай бұрын

@@victorfinberg8595 It was NEVER about the flat Earth, they couldn't care less. It's about their ego, and pissing against the wind to be a "rebel" without a good cause

@segevstormlord3713

11 ай бұрын

I mean, if he's sincere in his beliefs, he might expect a photographer to be unable to take a photograph of a thing that doesn't exist. And I don't know what he gets out of claiming to believe this if he doesn't actually believe it. What does amaze me is that he was willing to, before the photo was taken, agree that Dave McKeegan is trustworthy enough that he wouldn't accuse Dave of making fake photos if Dave showed him photos of the ISS that Dave says he, himself, took.

@daveyjones5702

11 ай бұрын

probably more then a dot

@victorfinberg8595

11 ай бұрын

@@segevstormlord3713 the proof is in the pudding. don't bet on any flat earther being honest

There was a point in my life when I was younger when I went out of my way to prove the _"pokies"_ of the world that they were wrong, but I just reached a point where it didn't seem to matter.

@nicolec7290

11 ай бұрын

Keep looking. I saw something crazy. What we look at every day , is not what you think

@somethingelse9535

11 ай бұрын

@@nicolec7290 @nicolec7290 Even before the online FE craze was a thing, I was interested in celestial navigation while sailing my boat 10,000 miles around the top of Australia. Every night I watched the stars and moon for almost a year. Never once was there any indication the earth was anything other than a globe. It is precisely as you would think.

@inothome

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, not worth wasting your time trying to educate people who can't be taught.

@BeardofBeesPool

11 ай бұрын

Flat Earth conspiracies peaked in 2018

@inothome

11 ай бұрын

@@BeardofBeesPool Yeah, now it's lizard people..... lol That comet can't hit soon enough! lol

08/10/2023 Hello Mckeegan. My grandson and I saw the fly over ten or more years ago. We were camping in a big pasture with a big group of families and other campers in a wide open pasture, about 50 acres or more. We saw the Iss pass overhead in the dark. From out of sight to full shinny and until it darkened from the sun. Some said that it was an airplane but it was so high and bright that we decided it could not be airplane.We were all watching in amazement as it flew over. We talked for hours after. I have never seen this rare sight again but I did see the iss with my standard vision. No one had more than binoculars. Best clear night. The worst camp out with the same group was only 2 miles from a confirmed tornado. That was a strange night. We still mention that night occasionally. I did see it. Don't believe me just get on line for the flight path over the usa and wait for it to pass again on some clear night sky. It passes often overhead. Very cool. Don

@MrGoodeats

7 ай бұрын

Nice 👍 you’re a genuine guy I’m glad you got to enjoy something with your grandson. Hopefully he knows how lucky he is to have you 😊

I'd be amazed if pokie actually did change their mind.

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

So will I but thought I'd give him the chance to show his true colours

@garyblake9665

11 ай бұрын

They never do. I wish they would stick to actual conspiracys. They make us look stupid.

@stevepopplewell6448

11 ай бұрын

He will just yell “photoshop!!”

@NPC-jt3gp

11 ай бұрын

​@@garyblake9665 This is how we are silenced. The silly bs is mixed with serious events. Everything is equally dumb "they" say. The murder of JFK is basically flat earth now. 😅 We have video evidence of him getting shot in the forhead, this is worth as much as a working flat earth model measured in conspiracy currency

@skateboardingjesus4006

11 ай бұрын

Taking bets that pokie remains an ignorantly delusional pizza sheet.

Nicely done for a first time attempt! One thing to mention is that the ISS photo you showed 10:00 is not the ISS as it appears today because you can see the European ATV-X resupply ship docked to the far end of the russian segment (X-wing looking cylinder) and JAXA's H-II (HTV) resupply ship docked to the zenith port of the Harmony module (gold looking cylinder) - both ships are since retired, and the ISS solar arrays are missing the iROSA upgrades. But what you can make out in your transit pic is that bright white dot at the very tip of the US segment which is the Space X Crew Dragon that carried Crew 6 to the ISS and is currently docked to the forward docking port of the Harmony module so that's really cool. One thing ISS hoaxers don't seem to understand is that the station is constantly changing with new vehicles docking/departing, being retired, new upgrades like the iROSA solar arrays that NASA just had a spacewalk they livestreamed installing kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYdo3JZre8TLd84.html (and the next one is tomorrow - kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5mfyKmiXa2sYMo.html) and of course the upcoming Axiom Space commercial modules The hoaxer mind sees it as static, fake, but in reality its a dynamic constantly changing platform and all those changes are livestreamed, recorded, photographed and documented heavily (every new supply or crew ship, every new module, every iROSA install) and likewise instantly appear in any photo taken of the station from the ground by anyone. And also NASA is freaking livestreaming it 24/7 from two different perspectives so, you can easily verify the land its flying over, and any activities happening like ships docking and departing kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXtqta5vfcmdkc4.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnWdx6dmgde1lbA.html To deny the existence and regular operations of the ISS at this point is to basically deny reality, like I cannot even fathom it.

@rogerwilco2

11 ай бұрын

These people seem unaware to the extreme and unable to process information if it is given to them. I think it is some kind of disability.

@phildavenport4150

11 ай бұрын

Flattards have become how they are because one or more of the FE priests has captured them by getting them to believe that they have been lied to all their lives, that "the Government" and all its agencies want to control their minds somehow, and that in order to escape this "control" they need to listen only to their priests. All efforts to educate them fail as they can't get past the irrational belief that they are, yet again, being lied to by "the Government", or by people who have bought the Government lies. If this sounds like yet another religious cult, run by priests whose control of their devotees' minds is strong, there is little or no difference. Dave can offer his information as neutrally and reasonably as he likes, but he will never penetrate the hard shell of resistance. Mind you, he might already know this, which means his comments and vids will be aimed at the fence sitters who may be tempted to dive into the rabbit holes that are flat Earth/Moon landing denial/911 denial/antivaxx, etc.

@Qzopr1

11 ай бұрын

@@rogerwilco2yes. They’re, regrettably, flatarded.

@Unbaguettable

11 ай бұрын

I didn't notice you could see the dragon! That's awesome.

@patraic5241

11 ай бұрын

Sadly I'm not surprised. We have tons of people denying Homo Sapiens have two sexes. People will believe any damn fool thing they want to and dig in against any and all proof otherwise.

Never ceases to amaze me, people like Pokie walk amongst us 🤦‍♂

@alzaidi7739

8 ай бұрын

IQ is a curve graph that goes to 0 on the left side. :-/

@csdstudio78

8 ай бұрын

​@@alzaidi7739exactly! Lol. Think of the millions...

@Mean-Gene

8 ай бұрын

People said the same about Galileo. # love for pokie. Lol

@MooKau_

8 ай бұрын

... and even worse, these people vote :/

@Dragoon710

8 ай бұрын

@@Mean-Gene the big difference is Galileo was very smart and pokie is just another smooth brain conspiracy nut

I know it's impossible to have discussion with someone who denies proven facts and science, but I tried it out on a flat earther. I told him that he could see the space station when it passes over where he lives, but he refused it, just saying, "no, you can't see it." I'm sure he walks around using welding glasses when he's outside when it's dark so he can say it's impossible to see the space station because it's fale.

I recall someone asking me if I could photograph the moon with my camera. An ordinary single-lens reflex camera using colour film. I said yes, he laughed. I of course said 'what would convince you?' Which usually shuts up those unable to think, or as in this case, he'd backtrack, but he wanted me to do it and fail, that kind of guy. So we met up (a good sign), and I talked him through it. On an airfield at night, a tripod, ordinary SLR camera, two extension tubes, and a mundane 400mm lens normally used to take pictures of aircraft in flight at airshows, we looked for and found the nearly-full moon, I set up, invited him to look through the viewfinder. 'It's actually moving' He said. 'Yep, the Earth turns, the Moon moves as well, it adds up to visible movement, but normally it's like the hands of a clock, let time pass, and you'll notice it's moved'. 'Uhh...' He looked almost convinced, so I said 'look at it again'. The moon was half out-of-shot. 'Undo this, turn the camera until the moon's in the centre of shot, set exposure for a sunny day...' 'At night?' 'You are looking at a brightly-lit object, over to the left side it's in dark, it's own shadow, like we are at the moment, see how the two line up?' Then we took a picture. Two days later I had been able to process the neg and make a print for him. A six-by-four with the moon in the centre of shot and showing bright and dark areas. - and one bright spot like a crater. He was happy. That was in the 1980s. I fear today his equivalent would brain me with my tripod and run away screaming and hide in a cave.

@randomviewer3494

11 ай бұрын

Meeting up with a flat earther at night on a dark airfield doesn't sound sketchy at all lol. Glad you're able to tell the story

@arctic_haze

11 ай бұрын

I wonder what was in his brain. Why wouldn't you be able to make a photograph of something that is obviously visible and does not even move fast. I mean it is easier to photo the Moon than a flying plane.

@JohnDlugosz

11 ай бұрын

I don't understand his concern. If he can see it in the sky, why wouldn't you be able to photograph it?

@tetrasphere8165

11 ай бұрын

What type of question is that? Wtf lol. Am I missing something?

@faikerdogan2802

11 ай бұрын

@@randomviewer3494 i doubt they are dangerous people.

I love that you had the idea of using a second camera to film the first camera and show no trickery is going on. I've had thought of different ideas how to take pictures of Earth, let's say we put a camera on a small rocket, and I always thought "What if they say it's fake?" You'll need a second camera to show the first camera, and maybe even a third camera to film the first and second, maybe even arange them in a way, that the second and third camera film each other.

@bluenightfury4365

11 ай бұрын

And even then they'd even say its still fake through all that, and if they went up into space on their own they'd go like "Space isn't real Ill open his airlock and-" dead. Cause thats how these people think, atleast one i know.

@EattheApple666

11 ай бұрын

@@bluenightfury4365 yes you needed a third camera to film the other two and then have a 4th and so on and so on... how many you think pokie needs to be convinced?

@gbprime2353

11 ай бұрын

@@EattheApple666 Sorry son, its cameras all the way down. =P

@awatt

11 ай бұрын

​@@gbprime2353 Beat me to it.😅

@Truth_Apologetics

11 ай бұрын

With 3D CGI, you can render the image from any point once you've made the scene (takes time to render tho)

Respect for the work you do to convince these people! To your picture of the ISS I can only congratulate, really not easy to shoot a perfect photo. This video has motivated me to try it myself once to capture the ISS. Continued success and greetings from Vienna! From a Sphere Earther^^

@kaecake9575

8 ай бұрын

If Dave is correct then Why is ISS using harnesses and Green Screens in this Video made by NASA. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIdkuLBpZZnKZps.htmlsi=Wf9ppSdCQ357eLlY

Fantastic video. Thank you for the detailed explanations on everything

I think the most important point is that this experiment is highly repeatable, without *too* much investment. High end camera equipment and telephoto lens can be rented. You technically don't even need that, if you just want to prove it to yourself (flerfers love first-hand experience), just a pair of binoculars and some patience would suffice.

@wombatdk

11 ай бұрын

All true, and unfortunately irrelevant for flattards. They all refuse to actually do science. Whenever they do try science and the result contradicts their theories, they'll claim some fault in their setup. Flattards are the original village idiots. You could send them to space and they'd still claim it's all fake.

@xmlthegreat

11 ай бұрын

Flerfers love first hand experience... Unless it's actual scientific fact. At that point they reject their own senses.

@dreamybullx1

11 ай бұрын

Obviously everyone that did this experiment are argonian cia lizards, who are being paid to deceive you

@ShizukuSeiji

11 ай бұрын

@@xmlthegreat 15 degrees per hour... must be some cosmic radiation....

@archmage7813

11 ай бұрын

To be fair it is not cheap but it is completely repeatable.

It's literally wild. I went on to NASA's website and looked when the ISS would be visible. I went outside and saw it with my naked eye moving like no plane has ever moved. All it would take is one cheap ass telescope to see the detail. It's truly amazing how little effort it takes to verify that this exists and to verify how far from the ground it must be using math. But I suppose when you are intentionally trying to mislead yourself, tiny effort becomes imposible

@Hnkka

10 ай бұрын

Yea its the small and fast dot moving accross the morning sky

@jaredloveys9617

10 ай бұрын

Yh ive seen it randomly one day and searched where it was at that time and realised I saw the iss with my naked eye 😂 these people that claim everything is fake is funny

@DS-nv2ni

10 ай бұрын

This doesn't prove anything.

@levibull6063

10 ай бұрын

​@@jaredloveys9617considering I try to keep a eye out for it every time I'm out (and a friend made a habit of using a star app when I point out planets) yeah you can see it alot Strangest experience was a UFO i thought was the space station My friend thought it was a plane but their was no green or red lights And then it started moving in different directions sometimes erratically Wish I had my binoculars It was also up their longer then a drone .... that experience was pretty surreal And before people forget .... UFO Unidentified flying object .... we had no clue what it was

@chrisw5742

10 ай бұрын

Wow you can see something that size from how many miles away with your naked eye again? hahahahahhahahhahhahhahahhaaa fuuuuuuunnny

don't know why youtube brought me here, but as a photographer myself and someone who is fascinated by all things "space", this was such a cool video. watched the whole thing. definitely gotta like and sub now.

Let me guess... You capture it, and they deny it. 🙄

I once filmed the ISS by accident. I was testing a 300mm Tamron lens and 1.4x teleconverter by filming the moon and when reviewing the video I noticed this object moving across the frame in front of the moon. I was annoyed that this thing had ruined my footage but it turned out to be the ISS.

@my3dviews

11 ай бұрын

Wow. I wonder what the odds of that happening just at random are.

@HDL_CinC_Dragon

11 ай бұрын

@@my3dviews You might say the odds are... astronomical.

@wizardsuth

11 ай бұрын

Those darned space agencies, putting stuff in orbit just to mess with your photos...

@my3dviews

11 ай бұрын

@@wizardsuth Even though that was sarcasm, there is some truth to that statement. There is so many satellites in LEO now that astronomers are complaining that it is hard to do a long exposure without getting a streak across the photo from a satellite.

@my3dviews

11 ай бұрын

​@Fred the 47th It is already, but getting worse with every launch. Some with over 50 satellites at once.

Flat earth arguments aside - the fact that this is possible and that you managed to get that clear of an image is an achievement in it's own right! Awesome job!

@rogerwilco2

11 ай бұрын

Indeed.

@wilfred-wils

11 ай бұрын

Pointing a camera at the sky is an achievement 🤣

@ThaBeatConductor

11 ай бұрын

I mean, I've seen the ISS twice with my naked eye. Not that much of a feat.

@yeetman4953

11 ай бұрын

@@wilfred-wils literal smoothbrain

@natybug

11 ай бұрын

​@@ThaBeatConductordid you miss the entire segment of the video where he explained exactly why getting a photo is a lot harder than just spotting it by eye?

That is really impressive. Maj congrats to you!

Loved your dogs attempt to attract you attention, the look in his eyes says it all. While watching this video, I could just read his mind and see speech bubbles of his thoughts. This would be a great take on this video.

I’ve had a super unique experience where I was looking at Jupiter and Saturn in the same field of view with a large cardboard dobsonian/manual telescope (when they were super close a year or two ago). I was looking in and out of the eyepiece over the course of a minute, and just by sheer random chance, I saw something transit right between the planets quite quickly. I looked at the sky and saw a light passing across. My instinct told me that it was the ISS (based on the speed it was going, which I had witnessed a few times before). I managed to manually track it with my scope (which was quite difficult), and sure enough I could just make out the distinct shape and trusses. Just to confirm, I got out the SkyView app to see what it was, and it confirmed that it was the ISS. I couldn’t believe it. Absolutely no planning. All I wanted to look at were the planets close together. And to somehow witness a transit BETWEEN Saturn and Jupiter, from my specific location in Australia, at some random time of night. I had only been outside looking for a minute or two. Two seconds before or after and I would have missed it. What are the chances…. Just crazy… definitely a special moment.

@joelknight1724

11 ай бұрын

@maddybelo Clicked on this video randomly and now I'm super glad I got to read this comment!

@ASDeckard

11 ай бұрын

If you are below it's orbital inclination in latitude, which is 51.6 degrees at present, it is guaranteed to pass within at most 5.625 degrees of longitude from you. That is a worst case scenario of passing 300 miles east of you, then 300 miles west of you, at the equator. It's worst case distance from you will shrink as you more in latitude away from the equator. Most days it will be something like 200 close 400 far approach though, rather than perfectly bracketing you, and you very likely could see it above the horizon every day. Remember, it's 250 miles up, so even the worst case 300 is still well within your horizon, and it will only be 390 miles away from you. It's just a question of can you see through that much atmosphere, and is it lit right for whatever timing it had for you that 24 hour period.

@maddybelo

11 ай бұрын

@@ASDeckard Oh, yes, of course. Definitely not hard to spot the ISS in general. I think I was just shocked that I had managed to see it transit between the planets. This was during the ‘Great Conjunction’ of December 2020. Saturn and Jupiter were only a fifth of the moon’s diameter apart when I was looking, and the fact that the ISS had transited between them (out of the whole night sky and without planning) was just sheer luck. If someone had planned to witness this, they most likely would have had to travel somewhere fairly close to my location. Always fun to see the ISS either way, and give the astronauts a wave, haha.

@moonkatmagic5599

10 ай бұрын

That’s pretty Kool! Good for you 😊

@gravefrightn5720

10 ай бұрын

We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.

About a year and a half ago (as I was walking to my car to go to work), I saw a point of light streaking across the sky in a smooth, south-easterly trajectory. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but when I got to work, I went online to see if the ISS flight pattern went over my area. Lo and behold, it did at approximately the same time I saw it earlier in the morning. So, it is visible to the naked eye in the right conditions. 👍

@SNORKYMEDIA

11 ай бұрын

you can get apps that notify you when it is going to be overhead - it is easily seen as you say esp at night

@jimmio3727

11 ай бұрын

Yep, our local news station told us when to look up; I did. Visible to the naked eye.

@thatjeff7550

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, a few years ago, my wife & I were out walking and we noticed a fast-moving light and wondered out loud what it was. A neighbor walking behind us informed us that it was ISS--he had been tracking it for a while online and that day was an ideal day to see it for our location. It was a nice "ya had to be there" moment.

@kendokaaa

11 ай бұрын

I see it pretty regularly by random chance when taking a walk at night. Some nights it's not visible at all and some it's visible multiple times

@shiftyshredder

11 ай бұрын

i have seen the ISS in person too and i always just thought of it as a flying football field. Mostly because they are around the same size and it just shows how massive it just is. I don't know how anyone could even dought it's existance.

For a first attempt, that shot was BANGING! Well done!

So Pokie is arguing that even Jeran faked it!!! You gotta love those flerfs, they won't even trust their own brothers in stupidity. Of course he will dismiss your photograph with a wave of the hand, gotta keep flerfing!

@ivanpetrov5255

11 ай бұрын

Didn't some of them claim Globebusters were fake flerfs after the comedy movie Behind the curve? (RIP and Thanks, Bob)

@igetsmart

11 ай бұрын

Yes sadly there will be nothing to change his mind. It is his religion

@mactallica9293

11 ай бұрын

@Ivan Petrov so far I've seen globebusters, Dirth, flatzoid are all shills according to them

Worked in a machine shop all my life. In the 90s there was 11:47 a big push for ISS parts, we made many. Doesn't prove it's up there but it's very cool feeling knowing that parts I planned how to manufacturer, wrote the cnc program, set-up the machine, ran and deburred are up there orbiting the Earth. I know some were for the mobile transporter which was a tolley that went out a arm to retrieve items off the space shuttle.

@KCadbyRacing

10 ай бұрын

That's awesome👍

@mplsmark222

9 ай бұрын

There must be many people like you that have worked on various components for nasa over the decades. Then you have thousands more that work at the agency with planning and operating all the different missions. It is so insulting to you and the others to dismiss and challenge your integrity. It makes me angry. I’m sure there are a number of reasons why wackos believe in these conspiracy’s. I really don’t care what they believe, but when they accuse hard working people of being dishonest, that is a whole other thing.

@ASquareNarwal

9 ай бұрын

My dad is an industrial radiographer. He x-rayed a few of the parts manufactured for the ISS

@gilmour73

3 ай бұрын

I guess you do make parts that go to space unlike most of us!

It’s actually easy to capture objects as they pass by in front of the moon. As an astrophotographer I’ve seen lots of satellites pass in front of a full moon. It’s done using a special camera that actually captures video of the moon and planets.

I once saw both the space station and shuttle cruising along together. I had seen an article describing when and where to look.

In accepting a challenge to help someone better understand the world we live in, you were given a photographic achievement. Nicely done! I'd be proud of that pic and all the prep that went into it.

@evolicious

11 ай бұрын

These people have no desire to learn or better understand anything. They only crave engagement that makes their delusional beliefs worth debating.

@prophetnozza4150

11 ай бұрын

Only a simpleton thinks recording a weather module in earths none get out of atmosphere proves a ball LOL... now show us 8 inch squared curve that cant be found ... REAL PROOF ... how gullible are you people that all it takes for you to believe is a photo ...... yet you ignore all photos proving earth is flat ... photos in abundance of objects you can see that according to your fairy tale should be thousands of feet behind imaginary curvature.......

@briantomcollins

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. We all knew this evidence wouldn't be accepted either way. At least he got an amazing photo out of the ''challenge''.

@en2oh

10 ай бұрын

These conspiracy theories are not based on facts so dispelling them with facts is impossible. I’d interpret Pokies comments as ‘I do not think you’ve got what you think you have”. It was gracious of him to acknowledge that there was ‘no trickery’ just misinterpretation of the event.

@phildavenport4150

10 ай бұрын

@@briantomcollins He's really addressing normal folk, who like how he does things like this. That flattard dumbasses have trouble believing the results is of no great consequence to him. Sometimes I suspect that Dave is using the Socratic method of using a person to question the obvious, thus allowing him to address the objections, thereby educating folk who are not only interested in the topic, but also accept the findings.

While I haven’t taken a photo of a magnified ISS, I have seen it a few times with my naked eye, and the first time was when I watched the SpaceX Crew-2 launch in person. It was really surreal seeing the speed of this bright light that was the space station pass right over the crowd’s heads, knowing that four more astronauts were about to fly up to it. It was amazing. Hope I can one day get good enough hardware to see it like you did

Great story! Nice work capturing the space station. Seems incredibly difficult.

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Jerry, what a great surprise to find you in my comments 😊

@sentient1640

11 ай бұрын

Please scratch test the space station.

@Studio23creation

11 ай бұрын

Without the application, it would be incredubly difficult, but this website made it aparently so much easier. (Even if that is still quite difficult).

@michaelmaasen872

11 ай бұрын

Sup Zack!

@Icezapp1

11 ай бұрын

What space station? KAPPA

Even before merging, that's CLEARLY the ISS in those pics. Great shots!!!

@PWEIcom

2 ай бұрын

CLEARLY not a HOLOGRAM

The "Fourty days and fourty nights" joke was a good one.

He will deny anyway.

@jamesoshea580

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I've seen similar things happen before. He'll just declare it fake. I hope I'm wrong, but I have little faith.

@marylynne9104

11 ай бұрын

Of course he will. He will cry “fake” again.

@ivanpetrov5255

11 ай бұрын

Mobile YT shows only one comment under the video unless you open the comments. And this was the one shown - perfect placement 😄 Because we all know it will be proven right.

@kennybevan11

11 ай бұрын

​@ivanpetrov5255 yeah I've never understood why mobile YT does that. And there's the @user profile names you see sometimes

@brianday4986

11 ай бұрын

In essence, he did, he has refused to say that the ISS is actually up there orbiting the earth. Here I was, really praying for a redemption arc. I'll never understand people who must always think one way even in the face of new evidence.

Whether or not pokie believes you, you have explained how he can replicate the process for himself very clearly.

@davidsipos8207

10 ай бұрын

His "method" seems very "scientific". Yes! I recall reading about this approach previously. 🤔

@udinsalam4751

10 ай бұрын

pokie believes him, but in the end he's too coward to admit that he is wrong (or I should say lost?).

@V0ND4M4N

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidsipos8207wth is this supposed to mean

@DanKaschel

10 ай бұрын

​@@udinsalam4751He admitted that the ISS exists (then immediately snuggled into claims that he used his superior intellect to trick Dave into doing the video--but let him save face if he's willing to concede his original point)

@gravefrightn5720

10 ай бұрын

We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.

You are really really good .... These types of videos are actually quite important because rightfully or not it's getting very difficult to know what to believe. You may want to do a follow-up video because some people think moon is a luminary you can see the stars the dark phase of the moon. Unfortunately when you look at this video it does appear that there is stars in the dark but they blink in and out randomly. Just having this second video might be useful to a number of people question what the moon actually is..... May want to also point out the craters and the mountains you do choose to do the second video

Nice catch, it's hard to photograph that stuff. I spent an evening on a dock in rural Montana and watched the ISS cross the sky twice. It moves so quick and so straight that I don't get how anyone could think it's anything other than a satellite.

I'm in love that despite the flat earth rabbit hole, this is still a photography channel and I'm still learning new things about cameras

@CaptainKeen

11 ай бұрын

I didn't actually know this was a photography channel until I checked the history. I just thought it was a flat earth debunking channel!

@DanSlotea

11 ай бұрын

Rabid hole more likely

@somethingelse9535

11 ай бұрын

Much of the FE hysteria is fuelled by abject ignorance of photography.

@Cowdog1

11 ай бұрын

Flat Earthers have a disphoria, and believe things that are not true, as we see so much of lately.

I'm gonna say he won't concede. They never do no matter how stupid their points are or how clear the evidence is against them. See ol Bob's "15 degrees per hour drift" nonsense, and all the "buts" and "explanations" he and his crew gave in the wake of that little gaff.

@stevepopplewell6448

11 ай бұрын

I forget his name but FTFE had a guy on who conceded and rejected flat earth. Now he has a great KZread channel where he fishes dirt on flat earthers. It’s great

@perry92964

11 ай бұрын

i agree, as soon as dave said he started to overlap the frames to clear up the noise i thought thats it, their gonna say its fake

@arctic_haze

11 ай бұрын

Lets remember the late Bob as a guy who never admitted anything until he died.

@MichaelOnines

11 ай бұрын

@@stevepopplewell6448 I think Ranty decided it wasn't flat. Not sure if he conceded it is a globe, but at least he left the flat earth train.

@EattheApple666

11 ай бұрын

yep, pokie will just move the goal post, that's what people who think they know everything do each time you prove them wrong.

They could hold the globe in their hands and would still come up with the most idiotic excuses to justify why they are right

Dave, you are amazing! Good work!

I photographed the ISS with my 10" Dob and a DSLR on video mode. I tracked it manually across the sky and got a few really nice frames. It's not that hard. Pokie could do it himself if he really wanted to, but of course he won't.

@BondiAV

11 ай бұрын

I would not expect a flatearther to own a telescope. In the unlikely event that a flatearther owned a telescope, I doubt he or she ever used it to look at celestial objects. If they did, they would have plenty of (first hand experienced) evidence on how baseless the FE "theory" is.

@delayedcreator4783

11 ай бұрын

@@BondiAV telescopes are rigged by NASA😡🤬

@Isolder74

11 ай бұрын

@@BondiAVOh they might, to look at windows down the street never for something useful.

@rickosborne6521

11 ай бұрын

They don't actually want to conduct experiments or read or learn anything. They want to preach from their cozy computer chair about how much smarter they are than everyone else. So, of course, anything that could possibly contradict their view of self-superiority can not and will not be accepted under any circumstance.

@alittlebitgone

11 ай бұрын

That's what's so weird about this one, they are saying something is not possible despite hundreds of people doing it every single night.

You could put these doubters on a rocket and send them there and they'd accuse you of hypnotising them or putting them in some sort of simulator. Part of me thinks that they are just winding us rational people up. Great episode by the way!

@alvin2021

11 ай бұрын

I think the hardest part for them is having to admit to themselves they've been stupid and gullible....hard thing to do.

@my3dviews

11 ай бұрын

@@alvin2021 Ya, especially the ones that devote their lives to it, with a flat Earth youtube channel. Admitting the ISS is real, means all of what they were pushing for years was 🐄💩.

@jfc123

11 ай бұрын

I agree that a significant number of "flat earthers" don't actually believe it is flat, but crave the attention their claims get like the 5th grader who's constantly acting up in class.

@PDZ1122

11 ай бұрын

I would love to take them on a spaceship. So I can kick them out of the airlock.

@kenlieck7756

11 ай бұрын

It doesn't help that the BBC(?) actually did just that on a "reality show" years ago...

I think you did an awesome job of capturing it. 😊

Thank you for this video!

Nice work Dave!!

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

Cheers Creaky, how's my favourite Welshman?

@CreakyBlinder

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan Meh?!? Been better, been worse!!

@certhass

11 ай бұрын

@@CreakyBlinder yeah, life is no chocolate! (althought sometimes it does have the same color ;) )

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

@@CreakyBlinder Sorry to hear that bud, still it could be worse ... You could be a flerf 😉

@jasmijnariel

11 ай бұрын

​@@CreakyBlinderi am still waiting on your first evidence in stead of butt smacks😂

This video just proves one thing to me: that Rusty is the best flat earth debunking dog of all time.

@regancopple4085

11 ай бұрын

He's also quite demanding if Dave doesn't keep it up during the course of the video, lol. 😄

@michaelparsons2225

11 ай бұрын

Simple Celestial navigation proves flat earth is an impossibility.

I had a dog like yours and his alertness to you speaking to a void broke my heart a bit 🙂

I once saw the ISS flash across the eyepiece of my telescope. I captured it by watching how it approached the crosshairs of my finder-scope then positioned the crosshairs as best I could to allow the ISS to pass through the centre. I got lucky.

The problem with flat earther’s and people that don’t believe that we are in space is that if they actually admit that they were wrong. Their entire world would come crashing down because they would realize that just like the earth they are not the center of the universe

@CoffeeAddictEvan

11 ай бұрын

This was me with Christianity. I called myself a Christian long after I stopped believing in God, because I knew that was a bridge I couldn't uncross. I spent many nights crying and praying, because I didn't want to let go of my faith, because that was my entire world.

@rickkwitkoski1976

11 ай бұрын

@@CoffeeAddictEvan WOW! I stopped "believing" in god way much before I actually admitted it to myself. I KNEW it, but it was a step that I just couldn't take. Done 10 years ago now. The biggest thing was to then tell my wife. My kids... no problem. But it absolutely WAS NOT my entire world. It was just a holdover from what I had been taught from a SO EARLY age. Those things are difficult to let go. They are so ingrained. I was totally fine with it when I got to that point though. "Just STOP! You KNOW it's fake." I don't think that I have ever been so invested into something as you seem to say that you have... actually... in writing that... I have. My relationship with wifey. But it was taking a huge hit for several years before I let go of the god thing.

@CoffeeAddictEvan

11 ай бұрын

@@rickkwitkoski1976 I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggled with it. I was a JW, and they are expected to make their faith their entire lives. "Whether you are eating, or drinking, or doing anything else, do all things for God's glory." I guess that includes covering up child sexual abuse, and encouraging people to martyr themselves by not taking blood, even if it means their life. I did try and go into more mainstream Christianity, but I found their answers just as unconvincing.

Great results for a first try (not that I could do better lol). I hope you'll give it another go with the fixes you noticed. Thanks for also posting several other transits and photos taken over the last few years; flat earthers have been denying them for ages and I've no doubt that Pokie will lie or try to move the goalpost.

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, I'm going to keep a watch on the trackers for sure, hopefully I can catch one during the darker nights of winter, or might look at a solar filter

@fredoverflow

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan I'm already looking forward to those videos! How much further can flat earthers keep moving the goalposts though before they fall off the edge of the flat earth? 🙃

@ThePhoenixSlayer

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan If he ever responds with something, are you going to pin the comment or make another video on it? I would love to hear what he said (Not being nasty, I'm genuinely just curious as to his response). Maybe you could just let us know in a future video that we should come back to this comment section to see it if he posted anything? Hope you're doing well btw :)

@ambientoccluser

11 ай бұрын

@@ThePhoenixSlayer I think we are already giving this ignorant nick way to much attention, hence relevance. I'd like to see Dave making more astrophotography tips and show and tell, but not to give response to the trolls on comment section, but to educate the rest of us.

@ThePhoenixSlayer

11 ай бұрын

@@ambientoccluser I actually thought that this one seemed at least half decent. I didn't think he should give him much attention, I just thought that people would like an update on if he really changed.

Came here for the content as a KZread recommended video.. Liked and subscribed because that dog is soo friggin' cute! Oh and the content is good as well lol

Willful ignorance is a terrible thing. Just remember: a mind is a terrible thing to waste. It isn’t the 12th century anymore.

My older brother talked me into the Flat Earth thing, a few years ago. I was determined that, it was actually flat after looking at a few videos. But because I love SciFi so much, I've decided to watch videos on both sides. Bought a telescope of my own (pretty cheap one), it got the job done. 1. The moon clearly wasn't transparent. Debunked that on my own. 2. Seen countless videos of the ISS going by doing its thing and showed my brother. He wasn't too interested. Oh well. Not arguing. Those 2 things alone made me swiftly covert back after just one year. Then, I recently seen a video here were someone made a basketball look flat by zooming in on it level. Earth isn't flat.

@user-oq7xc5qp3y

11 ай бұрын

That's good there are at least some people capable of critical thinking!

@ReValveiT_01

11 ай бұрын

That is great to hear. As I always say : an honest flerf is an ex flerf.

@eberger75

11 ай бұрын

Welcome back soldier 🫡 no shame in looking for answers. Glad you are back on our side

@JaySingh-fv3tr

11 ай бұрын

​@@ReValveiT_01 ex flat earthers are the most dumbest of all! Just imagine waking up to a deception just to fall right bk into it again!! 😂

@alvin2021

11 ай бұрын

Ask your brother how meteorites pass through the dome, always a good one. He might say "meteorites don't exist". Then tell him to look up the Winchcombe meteorite 👍

I bet he doesn't.

I just posted my following comment on another one of your videos about debunking flat-earthers & fake ISS, ie. I honesty think that if these people were given the privilege of a space launch and time on the ISS, they would still believe the experience was fake. I think I'm lucky not to have met a flat-earther (yet), I don't think I could hold back my pity, and disdain.

Great video, Dave...👍

Back in 2007 I asked my father to help me spot the ISS. By the NASA website traxker it was supposed to be nearly overhead, and before the appropriate time we went outside. He spotted it first. He then commented about another object nearby that was "chasing" it. I informed him it was the space shuttle departing it, headed home.

@bruzrcruzr2004

11 ай бұрын

I witnessed the same thing several times always the same distance away from it. If that was the shuttle I should not have been able to see it with my naked eyes being as far away as it is told to us to be. What I am seeing is much larger than a shuttle or both objects are way closer than we're told to be able to see from the ground without artificial magnifcation.

@omega5279

11 ай бұрын

@@bruzrcruzr2004 it's a matter of brightness really. Those objects are high enough above the surface that they are reflecting sunlight, and the relative brightness of reflected sunlight (even a tiny speck) vs the night sky makes them visible even at that great distance.

@markbernier8434

11 ай бұрын

@@omega5279 even simpler, the sun reflecting from a mirror or optic can be seen for miles though it might only be a couple inches square that one could not see from 500 yards without the reflection.

@martymcmannis6581

11 ай бұрын

Did you guys wave at each other?

@MonkeyJedi99

11 ай бұрын

That is such a cool memory you two have!

I predict he will not change his mind. You can not change the mind of someone who's already made a decision to believe things like this are fake.

@Globehoax

11 ай бұрын

It’s not a belief. It’s a fact

@user-oq7xc5qp3y

11 ай бұрын

@@Globehoax Another "nuh uh" from you?

@papascrumpeeh

11 ай бұрын

​@@Globehoax cope harder

@peppermintgal4302

11 ай бұрын

​@@Globehoax A *game* fact. In all seriousness, I'm sure all the engineers who worked on assembling the ISS (and thats a LOT of engineers) will be happy to hear their life is a lie.

@Globehoax

11 ай бұрын

@@peppermintgal4302 you so gullible

your dog is stealing focus for me haha .. little pup loving the rubbings :D

Your capture of the ISS in front of the moon was tour de force. The planning and the timing and the skill with the equipment procuced a work of art. (although having said that, there was a bit much grain in the neg)

"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift. "Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.' "We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."

@stpfs9281

11 ай бұрын

Yep, 15º, I think people are confused by rotary clocks and watches, although there is a timepiece made for a whole day rotation. Ordinary analoge clocks and watches are made for finer gradation of our waking hours (assuming the other "half" of the 24 hour day we are asleep).

@jeremyb465

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Bob.

I live in east Africa and today we had an ISS flyby, visible for 6 minutes on a perfectly clear evening sky. I use spotthestation and always eagerly await the iss passes. The people who think it's fake can't be helped

I am shocked, SHOCKED!, that the challenger fails to accept this reality.

That is perfectly clear enough to make out the space station. Great sequence

You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make it think.

@killman369547

11 ай бұрын

That sums up exactly why we're more likely to blow ourselves up than achieve FTL travel.

@maxlevel1489

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the setup Raven, but i'll take it from here... Have you seen all this footage of na$a faking $pace?" /watch?v=qqNFr-Z4Gbw /watch?v=ThduRhb7V1A /watch?v=O3kY1xWy0iw /watch?v=V7Orn0erGyw /watch?v=sU4tqJjcywU /watch?v=yee4cw4E4JE /watch?v=x2jMkgAQy9w /watch?v=2fKvCEaURnM /watch?v=QBun3unO0t8

I can already hear the C... G.. 👁️ claims.

Your dog is an absolute gem. Every time you stop petting he doesn't give you more than 2 seconds before he paws for more. Love it.

Hey! Great video! What scope/attachments are you using for the a7iii??

nicely done. I expect Pokie will move the goalposts.

@tumenibits569

11 ай бұрын

He's got them running around the park.

02:00 "That wasn't the ISS, it was a firefly" - Pokie probably..

@BobOgden1

11 ай бұрын

Shiney

Bloody hell! That's a pretty good first attempt. Well done!

great job!

I never knew capturing the ISS was a thing. Very well done! I almost want to attempt it myself.

@1jotun136

11 ай бұрын

It's the release part that gets tricky.

@ShadowriverUB

11 ай бұрын

It's very common to see ISS fly-by by incident, it very bright and it can happen 3 times a day even and it sometimes travels for 2 minutes, but most people are unaware it's ISS, same as people don't know that brightest "stars" on sky are actually planets and they always say it's a "north star" ;p

@LegoJJ

10 ай бұрын

@@1jotun136waiting for this joke lol, we’ll played

@RainmakerXBooty

10 ай бұрын

@@ShadowriverUByep, I’ve explained Venus not being the North Star on a few occasions

@gravefrightn5720

10 ай бұрын

Yeah airplanes do fly. We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.

​ @DaveMcKeegan Predictions for Pokie's most likely responces: 1. You never hear from him again 2. He replies that you "photoshopped" it so it is a fake (despite all the steps you took to avoid such claims as to them even touching up a photo makes it "fake") 3. Some variation of #2- where he otherwise denies the results.

@stevepopplewell6448

11 ай бұрын

Yep, that’s what I said. He will just scream “photoshop!!” Like all those idiots do

@chameleon47

11 ай бұрын

@@stevepopplewell6448 Yep. Never mind that Dave shows us the unaltered photos and one can still readily identify the ISS in them.

@evilducks3710

11 ай бұрын

insert Creaky saying "C - G - I"... that's my prediction anyway

@stevepopplewell6448

11 ай бұрын

@@evilducks3710 hah! Uncomfortably closeup of eye

@chameleon47

11 ай бұрын

@@evilducks3710 Oh look, he responded- Dave pinned it!

Thats really good. I struggle taking a picture of a bus

That’s a lot of trouble to go to in order to appease an idiot.

The amateur radio repeater on the ISS can be received whenever it's in range - 437.800 MHz FM. Another way to verify its existence and to measure its speed via the Doppler shift.

Next video: Conspiracy Theorist promises to concede, if I get in the ISS ... So I did

@DaveMcKeegan

11 ай бұрын

I'd absolutely go for that! Then when they reject that it'll be "promises to concede if I put them in the ISS" 😂

@carlosceluriantorreblanca4244

11 ай бұрын

​@@DaveMcKeegan We need Mr Beast for that. 😂

At this point just jettison flat earthers into space and let them figure it out.

Well done.. I was perusing YT and came upon this video.. enjoy this stuff, the stars, space ships, constellation starfields.. what got me hooked, we had a planetarium in our Highschool... the only one anywhere at that time. Our school IIRC was built back in the 60s. Mr Bradley taught the class and he was terrific !! We had wooden very comfy circular pews.. large starfield .. and he goes thru it all... it was so cool I could have sat there ALL DAY.. got me to school everyday if nothing else LOL ...Later in life as a police officer.. we would stand at a particular intersection in our town, the darkest less lit, less ambient lighting.. watch the Space Shuttle zoom by.. and although it was only a bright dot, no shape ..you could clearly see it just rip across the night's sky .. 17,000 mph .. while planes, other stars looked basicallly static.. So how you figured out how to snap a picture is just astonishing.. really enjoyed this .. subscribed now thank you !!!

That's pretty damn cool. I've seen the ISS streak past but just with my naked eye and I've obviously seen pictures but only up close ones. To be able to see all that detail from an object under 400 feet long from 254 miles away is amazing.

5:08 he was like "yes yes very interesting how about you transit your hand over here and pet me"

@buckadillafilms

11 ай бұрын

lol yess

i've seen a ISS transit with my own eyes by accident (daylight, just a light speeding across the sky) and in the time it took me to verify it was really the ISS (checking orbit and location) it had traveled already 2k km. My mind was positively blown that day and i'll never forget it :D

Why are there so many flat Earthers in the UK? They can literally walk over to the ocean and watch shops disappear over the horizon.

I have captured the space station not as clear as yours but clear enough to show the rectangular solar sales, with a basic Sigma 550mm lens without waiting for a transit. I live at high altitude with clear skies so I mounted my SLR and lens loose on my tripod, balanced the weight, and I just panned along with it as it passed over. It takes several minutes to pass from horizon to horizon so there was plenty of time to get a shot lined up. I had to zoom and crop to get the final image though. With a bigger lens and zoom, obviously it would be more difficult to track but still doable.