This should have never been a debate to be honest.

@DesmondDaddy

3 жыл бұрын

Media driven nonsense to boost traffic and viewership. It never was for true B'ball fans. Most of us know BS when we smell it.

@williebender1895

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I say all the time. If you can make a case with out tearing others down I’d listen. Till then please

@jacobduncan9593

3 жыл бұрын

Then you never seen lebron’s entire career and what he truly did.

@Olailori1

3 жыл бұрын

For Me, It's AN INSULT to compare the two. The Difference Is So CLEAR. MJ is the Logo of NBA all over the World; PERIOD!!!

@roberthorry621

3 жыл бұрын

Lebum is a product of nike, nothing more

Watching Jordan highlights in slow motion is the most beautiful thing of all time

@imsljr420

3 жыл бұрын

What about Larry bird or Hakeem highlights?

@joelbritton4067

3 жыл бұрын

@@imsljr420 agree, love them both. But with MJ you can see a man fly lol

@imsljr420

3 жыл бұрын

@@joelbritton4067 I also like dominque Wilkins and Vince Carter in the dunk contest or dunking over that French guy.

@GalacticRecap

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe your'e doing his moves in game in slowmo also. Aight?

@joelbritton4067

3 жыл бұрын

@@GalacticRecap you're

The debate was done for me when lebron played more games than Jordan. Jordan had a bigger impact with more chips in less time

@BC-rg2mf

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100 per cent!!!!!!

@charlesallen9483

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan will always and forever be the GOAT enough said

@mandm1050

2 жыл бұрын

very very very true

@wrinkleiner8455

2 жыл бұрын

Okay but shouldn’t the debate on who’s better be centred around pure skill not accolades? Like even then you could easily make the argument that mike is better (especially because Lebron is on steroids and Mike wasn’t) but I think accomplishments shouldn’t matter very much at all. Maybe if that’s all that’s different between the players then there’s an argument there.

@nicksaban88

2 жыл бұрын

@@wrinkleiner8455 I'm from chicago born and raised Mike used anabolics also sorry to tell u

As the official NBA website states on MJ's biography: "By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time." Not only is MJ the greatest NBA player of all time, I would argue that MJ is in the pantheon of the world's most TRANSCENDENT athletes of the 20th century: Ali, Jordan, Pele, Ruth

@bperez003

3 жыл бұрын

Fr, MJ was basketball. No one ever said be like bron, but they have no problem saying “be like mike”

@ryancallsin

3 жыл бұрын

Babe Ruth shouldnt be anywhere close to that list. Before games, he would get drunk and smash two dozen hotdogs before pummeling a bunch of white, off-duty plumbers. Im more of an athlete than Babe Ruth lol.

@RFazor

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryancallsin for better or worse, my friend, for better or worse...

@piersondoyle1304

3 жыл бұрын

And Wayne Gretzky

@greatdane1991

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao Nba official website is pretty biased, the fact they missed Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Larry,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Ducan, and in some cases Oscar Robertson.

I know this a rather personal view, but for me Lebron is still miles away from the player Kobe was. Let alone comparing him with Jordan!

@jlnxn5374

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of people would agree with you

@jbbrolic

3 жыл бұрын

I have Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem and then LeBron. Adjusted for era and how bad the east was for most of LeBrons time there.

@trumpameri1638

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe Bryant is Alfa and omega for LeQuit James 🤣🤣🤣

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

even a celtics fan like me knows this it's common sense tbh 🤷

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbbrolic SOON TATUM WILL ECLIPSE LEFRAUD WATCH 🍀

I’m a Lebron fan but objectively, he’s not the GOAT. Lebron give me the feeling he want to compete and win; MJ gave me the feeling he WILL ALWAYS compete and win. Mentality plays a major key for me.

@christopherrobertson2108

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it any better

@defrozen1027

3 жыл бұрын

If u a lebron fan u not objective. Oxy moron

@Biggersandwich

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron always wants to compete wow dude he was upset bc he was hurt and couldnt help like he knew he could so he kind of gave up bc he knew he didnt have a chance

@defrozen1027

3 жыл бұрын

@@Biggersandwich he was upset becuz he suck** there i fixed it for you

@Biggersandwich

3 жыл бұрын

@@defrozen1027 your really dumb aint you?

we thought jordan was the GOAT in 1993 when he retired - then he came back and proved that we were right when you're the GOAT you continually show that you're the GOAT - not just the "guy that had some good moments"

@johnthebaptist9795

3 жыл бұрын

You mean win Jordan quit, because the media was being to harsh.

@toxicjutz1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnthebaptist9795 do some research kid, you obviously lack knowledge about mj 🤣

@andykuo4108

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnthebaptist9795 Well, maybe it's because your father didn't get shot like MJ's did for you to think that way?

@SayGahTaah

3 жыл бұрын

@@andykuo4108 he's just bitter cus every man his ma brought home was his daddy.

@mjf8897

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaSsloan if you compare Lebron to Jordan that would be the difference. Jordan was relentless - and he held the top dog position for a long period of time - that is versus Lebrons "moments" that's what I meant - "moments being the best in the game" would be a better representation.

If a new GOAT ever rises everyone will know it. It won’t be up for debate.

@cheyheyway6244

3 жыл бұрын

A new goat has risen up nostalgic old heads are holding on to the pass. Eventually As time goes in Lebron will eclipse Jordan.

@dewman7477

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheyheyway6244 doubt it

@creamone

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheyheyway6244 you can't eclipse 6 final losses which includes that Dallas Mavericks melt down series for Lebron.

@cheyheyway6244

3 жыл бұрын

@@creamone The Mavs beat everyone that year including Kobe and KD and that was literally his first year with a completely new team . What about Jordan losing to a team with zero I repeat 0 all NBA players… twice before making it to the finals? What about him losing to an unexperienced expansion team. What about all the times he was sweep in the first round? I guess it’s better to not make playoffs than lose in the finals by your standards. The finals lost crap is bs that you saw from watching people like Skip Bayless (who get paid for finding specific stats about what Lebron did wrong and using on a show). Jordan didn’t have people that got paid to go on tv and talk bad about him like that.

@creamone

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheyheyway6244 Michael Jordan scored 33.6 points per game in the NBA Finals in his career, 6 final MVP's. Never came up small in a final series unlike Lebron against the Dallas Mavericks. James finished the 2011 Finals averaging 17.8 points, 6.8 assists and 7.2 rebounds in 43.6 minutes per game in the six-game series. Keep in mind the Miami Heat were the favorites with 3 all stars on the team. Dallas Mavs only had one all star. Stop all the excuses. As far as Jordan being swept by an All time great Boston Celtics team that had 5 hall of famers, Jordan was in his 3rd year maybe with no all stars. Detroit Pistons had at least 2 or 3 all stars on that team. You don't know what you're talking about when you say 0 all NBA players. You must be young and don't know, do your research. YOU CAN'T BE THE GOAT WITH A BIG STAIN ON YOUR RECORD.

I don't see how anyone even his most delusional fans can defend him after those terrible defensive possessions when he didn't even bother to run across half court in an elimination game smh

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, was more focused on whining to the refs

@lover2931

3 жыл бұрын

Mj always want to shoot the ball

@jimmyjones9962

3 жыл бұрын

because they only care about numbers

@chibullz0232

3 жыл бұрын

@@lover2931 Well yeah, isn't that the whole point the GOAT needs to be the one taking clutch shots right? Not teaming up with other superstars to take the pressure off

@i_chosen_one_ips432

3 жыл бұрын

@@lover2931 that’s what you’re supposed to do when your the best player on the team, shoot the damn ball and don’t shy away from the bright lights and let their teammates take the blame for the shot they should’ve taken instead

Bro his Attitude the whole series was just terrible.

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Like I was just getting tired of it

@johnjames7200

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@cpttusktooth7859

3 жыл бұрын

@@BullsCentral he's old and injured.

@cpttusktooth7859

3 жыл бұрын

Plus this season was basically back to back soo they didn't have a proper off season.

@cpttusktooth7859

3 жыл бұрын

@Allen Iverson he's 36. coming off a championship run with a shortened off season. surely you cant be serious.

remember when lebron got swept by the warriors and then came out of the locker room with a cast on his 'basically broken' hand? you know another name for a 'basically broken' hand? not broken.

@johanj6157

3 жыл бұрын

It was fractured that what basically not broken means

@valjohnson7112

3 жыл бұрын

@@johanj6157 lol. no it wasnt. "James has been playing with a bone contusion in his right hand since the Finals opener."

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

@@valjohnson7112 yes it was, he also had a broken eye, still averaged 34 ppg

@hoodiejaden03

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 wtf is a broken eye? yall just be coming up with shit.

@theplowboipodcast6469

3 жыл бұрын

Broken hand broken Eye broken Jumper to go along with his Broken heart for getting bounced in the 1st Round

Jordan blamed himself so that he can have the motivation next game and also to motivate his team mates to become great. Now that's GREATNESS!

@leultrainstinct406

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan was always blaming his team wtf💀

@keiongibson3314

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 how many times are you gonna keep dancing in the comments

@saucegayuchiha8816

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 when

@batsanz5962

3 жыл бұрын

AND LEBRON BLAME HiS TEAMMATES ALWAYS.

@toxicjutz1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@keiongibson3314 he's obviously a butthurt bronsexual trying to defend his queens legacy 🤣

This was never a argument for me. Bron was never close to MJ.💯

@boogiefever1970

3 жыл бұрын

@Thatsalex B He's so above MJ, with all his team jumping and building, he can't form one dynasty. MJ has 2three peats. Bron gets some of the all time greats to play with him, and he's still taking L's. Jordan W's in gives him respect. Bron's L's gives him excuses.🤦🏿‍♂️. But Bron is way above🥴. Ok. If you say so🤣.

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost-Legend* Lebron dominated Kobe I there Carter vs. Kobe is not even in the conversation

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost-Legend* Kobe lost more games and had worst stats.

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost-Legend* Lebron scored more ppg on a better FG percentage has a higher 3 pt FG percentage than Kobe and his defensive rating and defensive win shares are also higher

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost-Legend* Actually it’s not. Kobe averages the same amount of shots per game career wise as Lebron at 19.5 shots per game. Also Lebron still scored more points than Kobe even though Kobe had taken almost 600 more shots . Kobe attempted 26,200 for 33,643 points while Lebron has shot 25,604 shots and scored 35,367 due to Kobe actually having the most missed shots out of any NBA player ever.

It's never been a debate but sport shows have made it one. MJ has and will always be 🐐

@godlyvibes3764

3 жыл бұрын

Bill Russell the goat 🐐

@MrOunce3

3 жыл бұрын

@@godlyvibes3764 Bill Russell has the only other valid case. Just depends if you think its more impressive to win 11 rings in a league of 8 to 14 teams or 6 rings in the league of 30 teams.

@michaellozito5022

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrOunce3 a majority of those 30 teams weren’t very good so I don’t think its much of a difference. Obviously the Celtics had some of the best players in the league at the time, but it was Russell who was the anchor for those 11 championships. Hard to tell what is more impressive between him and Jordan but I would give the edge to Bill. Jordan just had the flash and grace to his game to go along with athleticism. I think the only 3 players who have a valid argument to GOAT are them 2 and Kareem with 6 MVPs and 6 rings.

@MrOunce3

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaellozito5022 6 💍 6 FMVPs > 6 💍 2 FMVP Jordan beats Kareem easy! Half those teams werent very good??? When did that become an excuse??? Jordan won his rings by beating the playoff teams.

@michaellozito5022

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrOunce3 I have Jordan over Kareem and Russell. Just saying that if you were to claim someone else as the GOAT those are the next two in line. That’s my opinion. And I mentioned the total amount of teams not being relevant because most of them weren’t great so come playoff time that’s what mattered like back in Russell’s time. They both had to play the best teams anyways. Sounds like we agree on that…

*These points are so underrated:* - He gets frustrated and stops competing when things aren’t going his way - Never takes the blame because he cares too much about being labeled GOAT

@javelin4492

3 жыл бұрын

1)You can point to any player in NBA history and say that about them. Jordan was frustrated with media and left the NBA for 2 years. Charles Barkley tried to get out of shape so he wouldn’t get drafted by a certain team before the draft. Dr. J complained and threatened to the NBA that he would got back to the ABA if the refs were more strict. 2) LeBron has taken the blame for a lot of things, 2011 Dallas series you can say that Eric Spolstra could’ve been more active and dominant but LeBron takes all the blame for then losing. In a game where the Cavs got blown out LeBron said to put the blame on me instead of Kyrie. So all those points don’t have any value

@sensiblyhonest695

3 жыл бұрын

@@javelin4492 These "points" have value.... After 18 years in the league another MVP would tie LeBron with what Jordan got in 15 years. Maybe if we give LeBron 10 more years He'll get 2 more rings and 2 more Finals MVPs...4 more All Defensive 1st team awards... 3 more All Defensive teams.... his FIRST Defensive Player of the year award...his FIRST 3 NBA steals leader awards...9 more NBA scoring leader awards...LOL.... WHO ARE WE KIDDING?? That's NOT gonna happen, but LeBron would have to do that JUST TO MATCH what Jordan did in 15 years.

@javelin4492

3 жыл бұрын

@@sensiblyhonest695 LeBron has better longevity, more efficient, more versatile, most of his accomplishments hold higher value than Jordan’s, his productivity is better, he’s more portable, more consistent on a night in night out basis, and he’s a better playoff performer.

@sensiblyhonest695

3 жыл бұрын

@@javelin4492 I give you FACTS, you give me your OPINIONS. LOL. You have to have a Participation Trophy mentality to think that taking LONGER to accomplish LESS is BETTER. You should check your data... a LOSS is NOT as good as or better than a win... no matter what your life training has told you.

@javelin4492

3 жыл бұрын

@@sensiblyhonest695 LBJ vs MJ is opinionated in it self smooth brain. If you can’t prove that these opinions don’t make since then talk until then I don’t want to here anything

6:35 Shot blocker? Career highs for total blocks in a season: LeBron = 93 in '09, Wade = 106 in '09, Pippen = 101 in '90, Jordan = 125 in '87 & 131 in '88.

@jotarokujo9587

3 жыл бұрын

Career highs are not a fair point to be honest, it's more about the average.

@jp3813

3 жыл бұрын

@@jotarokujo9587 Career bpg so far: LeBron = 0.7, Wade = 0.8, Pippen = 0.8, Jordan = 0.8 Career lows for bpg in a season: LeBron = 0.3 out 77 games (age 29), Wade = 0.3 out of 62 games (age 33), Pippen = 0.4 out of 23 games (age 38), Jordan = 0.4 out of 60 games (age 39)

@jotarokujo9587

3 жыл бұрын

@@jp3813 don’t worry, I side with Jordan anyways, sww some video comparing them to the best stats of their own position

@donroman5702

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan also played in a much more physical era.

@asyouwishmobilegaming3084

3 жыл бұрын

@@jotarokujo9587 even Jordan's Averages are all higher than LeBron's and LeBron has 18 seasons to Jordan's 15. But Jordan's Averages still overshadow LeBron's by miles!!! Not to Mention that Jordan's Averages are Still to this day the highest EVER!!!

This never should be debated. Jordan never flopped, walked off the court during a game, made excuses, or showed poor sportsmanship as Lebron has done. Jordan is the GOAT! Lebron will always chase MJ. Jordan also played at a time when they actually played strong defense unlike in today's game. He was a straight killer every game and didn't need to run off to another team to play with other stars.

@StevenH86d

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯MJ will always be UNDISPUTED 🐐

@i_chosen_one_ips432

3 жыл бұрын

MJ never needed to activate “playoff” mode either. He was a killer every game he participated in

@inua6566

3 жыл бұрын

So flopping, walking off the court, and making excuses makes him a better PLAYERR, EMPHASIS ON PLAYYERRRRR.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

MJ made excuses, walked off the court, and showed poor sportsmanship. Does that mean he’s slightly better than LeBron. Also when LeBron was young, there was a lot of defense back then. You only talk about the modern era when talking about defense. Unsubscribe to this channel. It gives you bad information.

@latonyhopson7257

3 жыл бұрын

I mean.....Tom Brady does all those things and he's considered the GOAT.

Being a basketball fan all my life and having watched essentially the entire NBA career of MJ, this was never a debate to me. Lebron has always benefited a bit from recency bias and the ability to form super teams in the modern NBA. He is an incredible player, one of the best ever no doubt, but Jordan’s ability to meet challenges when his team needed him the most is what separates the two and make MJ the GOAT. Jordan was always able to elevate his game to the occasion. Lebron tries to do the same, but the results are so different. Lebron tries to play better. MJ tried to win. This is an important difference that you can’t really quantify unless you have watched them both.

@shawtyeatemup1352

3 жыл бұрын

Tru story if yall don't believe this smart brother watch the flu game

@greatestnitemare6626

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Jordan got eliminated in the first round 3x in his career. Why the f do people just forget this?

@marcusmcneal7453

3 жыл бұрын

@@greatestnitemare6626 Were those championship caliber teams? Defending champion team?

@greatestnitemare6626

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcusmcneal7453 They never made it to the championship, so how is that fair? You people act as if MJ did it all by himself. He sure as hell didn't.

@marcusmcneal7453

3 жыл бұрын

@@greatestnitemare6626 Because it’s about the caliber of the team. Like if this was the old Cavs nobody would be shading Lebron as hard because they weren’t contenders. Lebron had a trash squad around him. Pre-Pippen, the Bulls were a trash team too. Could you imagine any of the 6 championship Bulls teams getting bounced in the 1st round?

Just look at the highlight reel between the 2: one is poetry in motion doing things that to this day we still haven't seen, the other, bully-balling to the basket. No GOAT debate at all simply based on eye test.

Remember in San Antonio when the a/c went out and Lebron “cramped up” when the Spurs were on fire 🔥 That man was desperate for a excuse and ended up embarrassing himself, that’s when I knew he wasn’t built like Kobe and MJ

@dillonn3918

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe took a major injury got up and took his free throws fully intending to play later in the game, Kobe has more of a claim then Lebron because I know he would’ve just gone to locker room

@asyouwishmobilegaming3084

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe played in the Finals with a Torn Achilles Tendon!! Tell me that didn't hurt when he was running up and down the court!!! Tell me LeBron could have done that I dare you!!

@JohnDoe-ld7op

3 жыл бұрын

Muscular people are more prone to cramps can't blame him for that

@pazoni

3 жыл бұрын

In all fairness didn’t they say some of the Spurs players also cramp up as well?

@asyouwishmobilegaming3084

3 жыл бұрын

@@pazoni not exactly but sure make excuses for a joke of a player lol

Not sure if he's even better than Kobe? When we talking about Legacy.

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a MJ fan but LeBron is a lot better than Kobe.

@quentinshaw8337

3 жыл бұрын

@@veracity5977 U smoking dope. U out yo rabbit ass mind

@DesmondDaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@quentinshaw8337 I haven't heard anybody use that saying in a long time😆😆😆😆

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@quentinshaw8337 lol he is 100% better than Kobe. Kobe is overrated and not top 10.

@anthonystevenson830

3 жыл бұрын

HELL NO!!!!Kobe is definitely better

LeBron aint no goat! MJ never had to say hes the goat because he showed it! MJ would run circles around LeBron no questions.

@kopiee7095

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator you are delusional

@kopiee7095

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator Also yes he did say he was "The Greatest Player of All Time"

@kopiee7095

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator Okay Michael Jordan said theres no goat in basketball, I think he is the goat and most people think so too you too funny defending LeBron

@kopiee7095

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator The Reason Im bringing up Bron is because you are on a video about LeBron vs MJ in the goat debate. I respect you admitting your wrong though

@kopiee7095

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator Also if you believe there is no goat Ill respect that. But personally I believe MJ is the unquestionable GOAT

THANK YOU! Facts! If LeBron James is so great, why does he literally repeat action of MJ. The number 23, the chalk toss, and now Space Jams 2.

@hair-likerodman3001

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the cigars, everyone knows he smokes them due to Michael Jordan. The guy's a media product more than himself.

@charlesallen9483

2 жыл бұрын

And now James is in LA chasing Kobe's shadow but will never duplicate it I'm glad James, Bosh, and Wade didn't join my Bulls back when D Rose show cased his game and showed James why Chicago could've took him to 6 championships

When there’s any debate I remind people that most modern players would be crippled right now if they had to play in the 80s and the 90s. #BadBoyz

@kfc4056

3 жыл бұрын

No

@ryantromp9152

2 жыл бұрын

And have to try to play at least 80 games or all

Nobody can be who MJ was. It's a different era, a different time...he was larger than life, almost godlike, not just for basketball lovers but for the entire world. That ain't Lebron. #2 all-time? I can see it. But #1?...nah, you just can't top MJ. Not yet. Maybe somebody will someday, but it hasn't happened yet. Great vid brotha!

@ZM-830

3 жыл бұрын

Fact

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrone Campbell did you know Kobe scored 81 in his 666th game and MJ scored 666 points in the 93 playoffs? I hate when people compare Jordan to God or call him black Jesus

@MINK2393

3 жыл бұрын

Kareem is better and the 2nd best player ever

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrone Campbell oh ok. Ignore the antichrist being represented in the NBA.

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@MINK2393 no absolutely not. Kareem isn’t even the GOAT center let alone better than Jordan.

Mj the GOAT

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯

@ZM-830

3 жыл бұрын

Everything you said Is Right on the money I've been preaching this to these LeBron James fans forever

@trumpameri1638

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody is even close to AIR force Jordan GOAT... not even legendary Kobe Bryant black mamba.... and LeQuit James is funny to talking about hahahaha hahahaha

@trumpameri1638

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZM-830 everyone who claim LeQuit James is GOAT deserve big laugh on this 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

as a celtics fan ALWAYS AND FOREVER 🐐

Jordan is a better shot blocker, LBJ only averages about 1 more assist and rebounds than MJ. If LBJ is so big and strong then it’s expected for him to grab more boards than MJ. If LBJ is the arguably the best passer in NBA history then why Jordan is right behind him in assist averages? Like someone said in the comments, this should have never been a debate to begin with.

@hardwoodthought1213

3 жыл бұрын

Assist averages have as much to do with passing ability and scoring average has to do with scoring. MJ is no question the GOAT, but anyone who thinks MJ is close to LBJ as a passer is crazy. Stockton averaged more assists than Magic ever did but Magic was a much better playmaker. LeBron’s passing creates wide open shots, easy layups, swing passes, MJ never passed in a way that got people easy shots, just happened to pass to the guy who took the shot and made it

If Jordan played on this era. I'm sure he would've won so many rings. The way the nba is so soft rightnow and the way they call on everything. Jordan would 've break so many stats. lol

@silverheat3995

3 жыл бұрын

Cap do you not see the superteams what lebron did against the warriors for 4 straight finals that would have happen to Jordan as well

@Renegade77784

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverheat3995 MJ averaged 35 points a game and won defensive player of the year in the same season. Lebron would never... All Bronsexuals discuss is Lebron's rebounds and assists but not his turnovers or poor mid range and free throw percentage. Lebron attempted more than 3x as many 3 pointers as MJ and still has a lower scoring average but really think Lebron is a better jump shooter than MJ or Kobe. 🤦 Lebron made superteams and still lost.

@12aftaprod

3 жыл бұрын

@@Renegade77784 lebron didnt make superteams. It was supertes way before lebron. And I agree MJ would average 35 plus yet if he dont have a co star he wouldn't win by himself. See thats where ppl get it mess up at Let me give you a example outside the last time the pistons won a chip name a team who won without superstars ?

@blackscreen1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@12aftaprod 2011😂😂 when lechoke was born three superstars and couldn’t beat one and this is your Goat Lebron is great but there is too many blemishes on his resume

@12aftaprod

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackscreen1810 where did I ever say he was my goat. To me there isn't a goat that narrative of GOAT didnt really come out till Lebron threaten to become better then MJ. And please don't ever compare me to others without asking I wouldn't do that to you

That one play, when Jordan dunked, & got the steal.. Then the ball was stolen from Jordan, and went the other way for a dunk.. Jordan hustles back and gets the block, knocking it outta bounds? That play right there explains why Jordan is the best basketball player ever.. When I saw that game live, (I remember that play), but that's when I became convinced Jordan was the best basketball player ever

@solemagus4761

3 жыл бұрын

92 ECF Bulls vs Knicks Game 7 that was one of the sickest sequences Ever..

@QankoIvanov

3 жыл бұрын

I am sorry but Wilt is better than Jordan id say

@timothyahn2006

3 жыл бұрын

@@QankoIvanov 1st of all, they play in complete opposite positions (front court vs back court) second of all, wilt played in an era with very few rules, he could stay in the key as long as he wants, and other lack of rules that would benefit someone as big as him. He got 100 pts in a game because these rules didn't exist.

@QankoIvanov

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothyahn2006 What rules ? And also, what do you mean ''benefit''. Have you lost your mind ? Athletic center would dominate in ANY era. And when Wilt played there was 2 han d handcheck, it was way more physical than in the 90s, someone even broke some of Wilt's front teeth with an elbow. ''Michael, just remember. When I played, they changed all the rules to make it harder for me to dominate, when you played, they changed all the rules to make it easier for you to dominate''

@QankoIvanov

3 жыл бұрын

Wilt was shooting a lot of fadeaways so staying outside the key wouldn't be a problem, But remember that other centers also stayed in, not just Wilt

Never ever even started for me... actually it ended the day he had to create his own super team

@jacobduncan9593

3 жыл бұрын

Well that’s because cavs management was horrible.

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

Yet the only reason Jordan didn't join Patrick Ewing and the Knicks was because he was offered the biggest contract in NBA history at the time by Chicago, bc he was this close to going to New York and creating a superteam👌🏽 but since it's Jordan nobody talks shit for that

@mr.southsideofchicago740

3 жыл бұрын

@@yhadiel2804 you have proof? Btw, did Jordan “plan on joining the Knicks” before or after he won some championships? 🤔 Cause Lebron joined the Miami heat to WIN some championships.

@Stunnax2K

3 жыл бұрын

You acting like the Bulls wasn’t a superteam 😂

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr.southsideofchicago740 also The point was he created a superteam right? So why we changing it up when Jordan almost did the same shit?

Its kinda scary how ppl can put lebron over jordan. Jordan: 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 mvps, undefeated in the nba finals, 10 scoring titles Lebron: 4 rings, 4 finals mvps, 4 mvps, 4-6 in the finals, 1 scoring title Kinda crazy if u ask me

@erichall297

3 жыл бұрын

Big Bird - Whoever does that is truly delusional.

@bryanpinamonti9322

2 жыл бұрын

I love how people claim getting to the finals 6 times is better than getting to the finals 10 times. Still think Jordan is better, but it's a stupid point.

Being the GOAT includes having the drive and competitive nature to always want to win and to always win. Lebron will never have this and never has. To Lebron basketball is Lebron. To MJ he was a part a basketball and that is why he will always be the GOAT. MJ is the GOAT 🐐

Michael Jordan is the only Black Jesus on the court. He didn’t walk on water but he flew in the air 😆🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏽💯

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrone Campbell chill

@blackjesus6433

3 жыл бұрын

Facts!

@blackjesus6433

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrone Campbell MJ is Jesus

@MadScientist81

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus is white Jordan.

@armandoayala446

3 жыл бұрын

Lebump just Flops on the Floor😁😁

Lebron is the biggest cry baby in the NBA. I can’t stand watching him play anymore, time for him to retire!

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

It’s just getting ridiculous, so over it

@bocca_lupo

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@perottosson5127

3 жыл бұрын

Classic Lebron: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k5mDkrqThdavf6g.html

@trumpameri1638

3 жыл бұрын

LeQuit James is spoiled MAN....

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

THIS ☝👏

The GOAT debate will end when LeBron retires because no bar patrons will remember him

Shaq: "Michael played in the "Big Boy" era, Lebron played in the "Cupcake" era." Argument over

@shaanpatel9474

3 жыл бұрын

Bro they both would be insane in any era. As long as you accept that Bron and MJ are top 2 the goat can go either way

@Slapshot544

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron is playing in a more skilled era and has faced some of the best teams ever. Still slightly below MJ but he could catch him with more rings.

@toxicjutz1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@shaanpatel9474 nope kid, mj is the undisputed goat ..everyone who knows basketball says it

@toxicjutz1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@Slapshot544 not a chance, he will never catch up to goat mj

@shaanpatel9474

3 жыл бұрын

@@toxicjutz1168 ok as long as you think LeBron is two. You just like to hate on lebron

The GOAT never gives up and cries in the back court, when the action is on the other side of the court. Too many times I have seen this and Lebron won't defend. Just watches the opponent run through for a basket. There's only ONE GOAT, and that's "SIR JORDAN"

@leultrainstinct406

3 жыл бұрын

He’s done it several times are you blind?? He would be screaming and crying at the refs while the ball was being pushed. I know for a fact that I’ve never seen Jordan carry his team in YEAR 18 because he already gave up several years prior. Lebron is in year 18 while on an injury leading his team in every major statistical category, yet the only thing y’all focus on is the 2x he walked back on defense when the game ended?? This is why nobody likes jordansexuals💀

@austinhiggins4645

3 жыл бұрын

There is not just one goat there is one goat of basketball but not just one goat of sports

@crunckNATIon

3 жыл бұрын

@@austinhiggins4645 I agree if we're talking boxing many might say Lewis, Ali, Tyson, Marciano, Sugar Ray, Dempsey, Foreman, etc... just depends on the topic of which area of GOAT-ness XD

@seanlegette4177

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 lebron has to deal with the social media magnifying glass, mj didn’t. They wouldn’t get it because they are the haters man

@jinx8624

3 жыл бұрын

he aint gettin a good teammate grade without them good hustle points

Jordan never gave up. Even when getting blown out, you never seen the thought “this is over” cross his mind once. He started the game and he finished the game. No quitter can be named GOAT.

@MegaUnavailableusern

3 жыл бұрын

so greatness is measured by not giving up ?? HUH?

@positivejames

3 жыл бұрын

@@MegaUnavailableusern when it comes to GOAT status hell yes it does

@gilbertestoesta8722

3 жыл бұрын

@@MegaUnavailableusern how can you be great when you easily give up? Remember TMac 9 points in less than a minute, Reggie Miller 8 points in 18 secs.

@MyUniqueHandle.

3 жыл бұрын

@@MegaUnavailableusern It shows dedication and passion for the game. Jordan put his body on the line and became the best. I have more respect for larry bird than lebron for this reason.

@jamiekelley4076

3 жыл бұрын

@@MegaUnavailableusern Greatness is measured by many variables and when you're talking about the G.O.A.T. of a sport it gets even tougher. These players are all-time greats with amazing skills and for most people they'll only ever be able to come to a definitive choice through nitpicking everything and personal bias. That's how hard it for these types of discussions to go anywhere. So yeah in this case not giving and quitting a game definitely matters.

GOAT doesn't flop. GOAT doesn't get carried off court when they have a leg cramp. GOAT fights until the end. GOAT doesn't walk off court with time left on the clock. GOAT doesn't go begging for fouls. GOAT does, not talks.

Sorry to my comments there are players undefeated in NBA finals but the fact that MJ is undefeated in all of his final appearances that's incredible no one in NBA history did that but only MJ and 2 3peats only MJ did that ❤️😉👍

LeBron never came close. His media hype and coverage far outweighs his status

@isaacleyva2481

3 жыл бұрын

i agree mjs te goat, but lebron is defintley close dont know what u talkin bout saying hes not

@thomashinchliff2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaacleyva2481 then you obviously don't know the stats

@lopoh8264

3 жыл бұрын

Same thing they did to Kobe so they can market off of him

@isaacleyva2481

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomashinchliff2173 u sound stupid saying u don’t know the stats, lebron has better stats in everything else but points😭 not saying he the goatbut your argument has a huge flaw

@thomashinchliff2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaacleyva2481 untrue. Present the stats that are supposedly better and I'll rip then to shreds for you

The debate was done when he lost in the finals against the Dallas Mavericks, when he was in Miami. The only clear superstar that Dallas had was Dirk, second level was Jason Kidd. Miami had Lebron, Wade and Bosh all in their prime. And cemented when Miami lost to the Spurs in the Finals the second year. And you pointed out in Lebron's last game against Phoenix, and his arguing with the ref and not crossing half court. Look at the last 3 minutes of that game... the Lakers were only down 13 points. Down 13 points with 3 minutes to go! 3 minutes is an eternity in an NBA game. But Lebron gave up. I have seen the Bulls erase a 10 point deficit ON THE ROAD against the Pistons with one minute to go in the game. Lebron had 3 minutes, but he gave up. Period. Kobe would not have given up. But Lebron has no post game, so he always has to start from the top of the key and try to beat his defender going down hill ... dribble left and spin back right. Notice how the mainstream media is not pointing out the fact that Lebron gave up the last 3 minutes of the game? The people that say Lebron is the greatest of all time, are mainly those that only know MJ from his last 3 years on the Bulls, and not his full career on the Bulls. They never seen his early years on the Bulls, nor have they seen his first 3-peat. That is why they say Lebron is the goat. But those that have seen MJ's complete career (I have), and Kobe's complete career (I have), and Lebron's complete career (I have), know there is no comparison. People like to talk about Lebron being a more complete player than MJ, and they pick out his assists ... If you check out MJ's first finals against the Lakers, MJ was averaging more assists than Magic Johnson through the first 5 games of the series! Only until game six where Magic had 25 assists did Magic pass MJ. And what about the year MJ average 8 assists per game back in 1989 Playoffs when the Bull's PG got injured and MJ had to slide to the PG position. No body seems to remember that. MJ averaged 5 assists per game for his career in the Bulls, and this is a player that was not asked to be an "assist" player. And one more MJ stat that people tend to look over ... MJ last 8 YEARS on the Bulls, they NEVER lost more than 2 games in a row. So that started before he started winning championships. Can't say the same for Lebron. Lebron is absolutely top 5 for sure, but definitely not the greatest.

@KillaMusiktv1BlACKEYEDCORN

3 жыл бұрын

But c’mon Lebron averaged 17 pts against midgets and senior citizens in the 2011 Finals. 🤣😂🤣

@youboob6297

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron does more harm to his team than actually helping them to win not only does he slack off on defense so his team mates have to cover his man for him since he likes to hang around the basket for a rebound, he also handles the ball 90% of the time on every team hes on LeBron Rank# 1 All Time Most Turnovers Regular Season Career LeBron Rank# 1 All Time Most Turnovers Playoffs Career imagine that. the *Most Turnover Prone Player Who Ever Lived in the Entire History of the NBA* demands he handle the ball 90% of the time that is beyond stupid, its borderline psycho mania, like something only someone with brain damage would think is a good idea in basketball TURNOVERS COST BALLGAMES

@sheldonmckenzieel2552

3 жыл бұрын

@@youboob6297 True, but I can't hold that against Lebron, because he has played so long without being injured. So having the most total turnovers in the regular season and playoffs should be expected, considering how much he handles the ball. To me the telling stat/story would be Turnovers per game in the regular season, and playoffs. Like Kobe passing MJ on the all time scoring list, yet Kobe only averaged 26 points per game, when MJ averaged 30.1 points per game. Kobe played for 20 years, so it is expected that total points would be more.

@edwardliversidge3911

3 жыл бұрын

mate i am always banging on about this! People never account for the system they're playing in and their role in it

@rankarat

3 жыл бұрын

Bulls beat the lakers in 5, there was no game 6.

“When he gets frustrated, he stops competing” that right there is the reason why I stopped being a LeBron fan. Because he did the same thing when he was in Cleveland the first time. I saw it and I was so disappointed in him. I’m like this the guy they’re comparing to Jordan? Because everyone knows Jordan didn’t give up. And then when he ditched his team to go play with Wade and Bosh in Miami, I was like yea I can’t be a fan of this.

@Thomson07

3 жыл бұрын

and what is sad is if lebron had the jordan mentality I think he would be the greatest player of all time. Im a lebron fan but he pisses me off so much, especially this year. He has shown flashes of his killer instinct, 2012 ecf, 2018 playoffs ect. Its just disappointing

@kaankoksal1412

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh Jordan gave up each time he retired. You’re making yourself look silly!

@dreamkrusherjay7696

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaankoksal1412 He retired the first time and then came back and won another three-peat. The only reason he came out of retirement the second time was because he was literally in ownership and could increase what his stake was worth. Might be the dumbest take I've seen yet on this.

@suntansuperman26

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaankoksal1412 Wait so he gave up after winning 3 straight? Giving up is when you lose and you figure you probably won’t win with the current team. Like what LeBron did to Cleveland twice and what he did in Miami. Every time he left it was because he didn’t win.

@cheyheyway6244

3 жыл бұрын

Such a bad take. The Cavs organization did nothing to give Lebron help. Jordan was given two stars in Scottie and Horace Grant.

Never really thought there should be one, especially after the 2011 finals. MJ would NEVER play that pedestrian on the biggest stage

very well described. Lebron is a reflection of the newer generation - talented but soft, safe space finding, entitled, job-hopping, instagram face-seeking.

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@vexotimmer2675

3 жыл бұрын

Well said, Mike. I agree.

@2kmichaeljordan438

3 жыл бұрын

@Thatsalex B that sounds a lot like bronsexuals….

@allworldzeus5935

3 жыл бұрын

We call this guy the "greatest of all time" but the greatest of all time just gave up in an elimination letting Kobe's son literally have 50 points. Hell no. This debate should have never been a thing. Not putting Lebron past Kobe or MJ. Nope not doing it. So embarrassing for the Lakers organization after what Kobe did.

@allworldzeus5935

3 жыл бұрын

@@2kmichaeljordan438 Definitely the bronsexuals. GET EM! The only person who damn well deserves to be in the same breath as Mike is Kobe Bryant. NO ONE ELSE! LEBRON CAN FIGHT FOR 3rD with MAGIC AND BIRD!

Mj is the goat forever LeBron is still good but I wouldn't say he's the goat he's a talented player but it doesn't compare to MJ

The goat debate over since 2007 actually, when he choked, got swept by an aged spurs team and had self an historical bad performance

I remember when Michael Jordan said I played like doodoo back in the 97 finals

When the going gets tough, lebron quits. MJ shines when its very tough

@leultrainstinct406

3 жыл бұрын

Oh really? So why has Lebron made the greatest comeback in sports history?

@leultrainstinct406

3 жыл бұрын

Why has Jordan retired several times?

@chindilindi888

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 how many times compared to MJ's winning shots? And talking about history, there are also MJ's records

@chindilindi888

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 he retired because he doesn't enjoy the game already. as what he said in the interview. maybe its true maybe its not. But the fact remains, when he came back, his team made another 3-peat

@mjdagoat5440

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 He retired the first time because of his dad's death and he retired the second time because he didn't enjoy it that much anymore

Lebron was never the GOAT and will never be the 🐐. He too childish fam with that dat flopping and doesn’t have that killer mentality that MJ had. And not shaking the hands of your opponent at the end of the series? C’mon now, that’s some Pistons bush league crap my dawg.

@inua6566

3 жыл бұрын

So a psychological phenomenon in your brain, shaking hands and flopping less makes Jordan a better player? how do any of these attributes attain to his play on the court.

@thebigone6071

3 жыл бұрын

@DANTAYE t nah fam, MJ was a better player AND never pulled none of that flopping crap. His skills and mentality are the greatest of all time.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

So what? If MJ played in this era he would do the same. He prolly not even be known if he played this era

@thebigone6071

3 жыл бұрын

@Aden Yuan Delete your account because that was the dumbest comment in the history of KZread.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebigone6071 That prolly was the smartest you’ve ever heard in your entire miserable life time you rock-dweller. Get a life insurance and life support.

You can't even be in the goat conversation until you 3 peat, take a couple years off to play a completely different sport, then come back and 3 peat AGAIN. Until then, the talk is only who is second.

Hey man, Im also a Chicago Bulls fan for ever a decade, and this posture is truly, one of the most honest and correct one`s I have ever seen. Keep up the amazing work!

@BullsCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks man, I really appreciate that! And go Bulls!!

I’ve never understood the debate. As everyone fails to take into account Jordan’s greatest asset. His mentality. Prime bron would’ve made it his mission to beat Jordan. Prime Jordan would’ve made it his mission to turn bron into a role player 💀

@jadenross40

3 жыл бұрын

Facts! Pin this !!

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

100% agree man

@marcoarreola9058

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Jordan's impact on the game off the court. Without Jordan's global appeal the NBA would be far less less popular globally than it is. Without Jordan, there is no market in China.

@BaithNa

3 жыл бұрын

Its only been a debate because young people don't know the history of the game Reality is finally setting in now that Lebron is out of his prime and his best days are behind him

@gariejoyce5263

3 жыл бұрын

Such a stupid debate. The only player with the mentality like Jordan was Kobe period.

Kobe would be so disappointed if he saw how lazy the Lakers were not playing defense… rlly not even trying…

Awesome video man! Should've never been a debate in my opinion. Thinking about starting a Bulls channel myself by the way. Love what you're doing here.

@BullsCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks my man! Glad you enjoyed it!

Raptors fan - March 24, 1996 when the Raps beat Jordan's Bulls is still one of the top 10 things in Raptors history. Jordan = GOAT

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, well said man

Kobe called Lebron out about his game less than a year before his death.

@mranklebreaker1210

3 жыл бұрын

How so?

@cpttusktooth7859

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, how so?

@cpttusktooth7859

3 жыл бұрын

@@mranklebreaker1210 we need receipts.

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS TATUM >>>> LEFLOP 🍀

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

Cap

I'm a Sixers fan, so let me be clear that I have no skin in the game. Why is there a debate about this? LeBron is a complete punk, who can't win without a super team.

@Infantdusse5

3 жыл бұрын

🤦🏾‍♂️ #nbaclown

@elijaharmanie

3 жыл бұрын

Tell me you don’t know basketball without telling me you don’t know basketball

@Infantdusse5

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijaharmanie tell me your a clown without telling me your a clown

@elijaharmanie

3 жыл бұрын

@@Infantdusse5 good one 😐

@Infantdusse5

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijaharmanie tell me you don’t have a come back without telling me you don’t have a come a

Perfectly said!!!!:-) thank you

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

No problem, appreciate it!

Skillwise-jordan Iq[overall-defensive, offball, shot creating, hustle]-jordan Offense-jordan Defense-jordan Athleticism-jordan but arguable because of lebrons physique

The GOAT debate was over for me when he laid those eggs in 2007 and 2011.

@rafaelojeda2777

3 жыл бұрын

2011 less ppg than jason terry?! WHATTTT!? Wade with 28ppg? i mean he lost it there. in 2007 he had a bunch of crazies but in 2011, really? na bro you cant consider yourself the GOAT and just shrink in the biggest stage.

@leultrainstinct406

3 жыл бұрын

Goat debate was over for me when Jordan choked against a baby shaq and penny in 4 straight games to not even make the finals.

@jaimes2505

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 Really, after only playing 17 games and not in basketball shape. What did he do next season? swept the Shaq led magic and had best Bulls record and yes championship.

@jerusalemkebab7815

3 жыл бұрын

LeUltraInstinct bro you’re the biggest bronsexual I’ve ever met online, how come you respond to so many comments desperately trying to make LeBron look like the goat when the most important reason to why he isn’t is explained in this video.

@jerusalemkebab7815

3 жыл бұрын

LeUltraInstinct and don’t underestimate Shaq and penny, they were great together. Off course Shaq was great without him but penny would have had an amazing career if he didn’t get injured.

Never was a debate. espn just needed views 🤣

well said!

4:24 "having that killer instinct" QUICK FLASH OF THE MAMBA 🤣🤘

LeBron James is constantly flopping now because he's getting old & he finally sees his career coming to an end. LeBron is having a mid life crisis.

@Geoffrey___

3 жыл бұрын

Been flopping his whole career...

@wyntonmohorn

3 жыл бұрын

@Random User Nobody flops more than LeBron tho. You know it's true.

@wyntonmohorn

3 жыл бұрын

@Rickey S Only with the roids.

@jbbrolic

3 жыл бұрын

You could still mug people to some degree in the 90s refs would have laughed if Jordan did the theatrical flopping

@solemagus4761

3 жыл бұрын

@Random User *You’re acting like LeBron is the only flopper in the NBA. Pretty much everybody does it nowadays. As annoying as it is, LeBron is one of the greatest Floppers of all time* - As a Random User, I wanted to edit your comment appropriately. You're most welcome btw

When he lost to the Mavs, against Jason Terry.. the debate was over.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

I know, LeBron is undisputed

@disguy41

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asian2706 Lebron is the Undisputed JOKE when it comes to the 🐐

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@disguy41 And Jordan is the undisputed GLOAT (Greatest Loser of all Time)

@Sf75178

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asian2706 undisputed top 10

@Tothemoon96

3 жыл бұрын

As a heat fan I agree

Jordan will forever be my Greatest Player in my heart. No doubt about it, no one has impacted the game as much as he has in a positive note.

what makes Jordan better than other players is his heart, and competitiveness, rarely quits, rarely underperforms, if he loses, he loses with dignity, the clutches of all time, his high IQ developing a strong team, chemistry and always takes the blame for his losses, acknowledges his partner in crime Pippen all the time, respect all the greats before him, really really classy player

It was never a debate. His media shills and fanboys have been forcing this shit for years. It was over after the 2011 Finals and that’s just a fact. That doesn’t mean he’s not a great player or one of the greatest players ever. But you can’t lose more than you win, pout when you don’t win and be better than someone who was UNDEFEATED when it matters most.

I will never put LeBron in front of Kobe

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

He’s way in front of kobe

@alexismoore2731

3 жыл бұрын

@@kid5042 fool

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexismoore2731 Fool for speaking a fact?

@godlyvibes3764

3 жыл бұрын

I put Tim Duncan even Larry bird over Kobe sorry not sorry

@arizonaFIREent

3 жыл бұрын

I dislike LeBron but he's waaaaay better than Kobe

Totally agree 💯🔥🔥

When did Jordan walk out during on his team?

@silverheat3995

3 жыл бұрын

When did lebron because in 2010 the cavs failed lebron by not putting anyone around him

@CPoppaB1tch

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverheat3995 I'm talking during a game. Not making a super team. No matter what the circumstances Jordan would go out every night and give his all til the end

@TreWimsical

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverheat3995 You don’t win 60+ games with nobodies

This is spot on. I've never been watching LeBron and had the thought that this guy is better than Jordan.

LeBron doesn't have a killer instinct at all stop capping. 🤦🏾‍♂️

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

So why does he have the most game winners and the most clutch points in NBA playoff History

@93vibezz

3 жыл бұрын

@@yhadiel2804 Lebron doesn’t have a game winner in the finals that’s a fact

@kingwill1623

3 жыл бұрын

@@fury_021 and how many years did Kobe play 20 right it’s one thing to not like him but don’t sit here and discredit lebron

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

@@fury_021 going by your logic lebron only played in 2 more years since we not counting the non playoff years lmao Tf you mean 5? Or are you just not counting the wizards years bc it doesn't help Jordan?

@kid5042

3 жыл бұрын

@@fury_021 Bron actually has better stats in clutch

You know there are other players besides LeBron and Jordan, right? Just because you think that LeBron isn't in the debate anymore (Which doesn't mean anything he still is going to be in that conversation as long as basketball is around), doesn't mean that the goat debate should just end right there. There are plenty of people who still consider others like Kobe, Magic, Kareem, and others to be the greatest. It's not a debate between 2 people, it's a debate over anyone that has ever played in the NBA.

As a die hard Knicks fan I can say it was never a debate. Not even close.

Kobe and Tim Duncan have more claims to being GOAT then LeBron. This season just cemented that idea in everyone’s mind.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

Cap

@jadencandelario7880

3 жыл бұрын

Are you stupid? What claims do they have over Lebron ?

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@jadencandelario7880 None

@rayray9913

3 жыл бұрын

@@jadencandelario7880 that kobe and duncan never left their teams to make a super team duh 🙄

@jadencandelario7880

3 жыл бұрын

@@rayray9913 that’s not claims. You need a good team to win. It’s a team sport.

Plus MJ never sat out the last month of every season to rest and pump himself full of HGH to be fresh for the playoffs.

@gabrielkawa3477

3 жыл бұрын

HGH?

@jay3253

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielkawa3477 PEDS

@gabrielkawa3477

3 жыл бұрын

@@jay3253 Ah, thanks. They're performance enhancing drugs. Well, it figures someone like Lebron would use them.

@mpound97

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron's name was on the Biogenesis Report as an athlete who received PEDS. All this information is public and can be "googled".

@iAM2AM

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron is getting older. It makes total sense that his hair falls out in weird patches, he's faster, stronger, bigger and more athletic than ever, gets mysterious muscle cramps, and recovers from rolled ankles in a few days... Like when he played for the Heat.

The best example of Lebron giving up was game 1 of the 2017 finals where he threw JR Smith under the bus. It was only going into OT and you can see Lebron already gave up.

When he lost to the Mavs, the debate was over. Jason Terry was officially the goat.

@percyp02

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS!!!

I've been said that about LeBron James and everytime he goes down like he's so hurt just to get attention, then immediately gets up. In my opinion it was never a debate and never will be. #MJ

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

Listen kid. He only does that at this age, and MJ will do that too if he played in this league. Of course it’s undisputed, LeBron is GOAT

Imagine if MJ had prime wade and bosh.... man they would never lose a game

@mrmasks9995

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron didn’t have prime wade or Bosh though

@KaleFGB

3 жыл бұрын

you don't know what prime is do you.

@monkeybals9714

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron didn't have prime wade or bosh🤣

Man MJ was giving young Ron Harper some hard times in those clips.

@thepervertedmonk2353

3 жыл бұрын

He was Harping on him pretty hard..

Looking at Jordan highlights and Lebron highlights where MJ in his clips breaks the laws of basketball physics, the dunk, the shots, the room that he still finds after 3 players trying to block him and pass the way he does, I cannot say the Lebron is more skilled or talented than MJ. Lebron's moves are so simple compared to MJ and the only thing i see about Lebron being above MJ is that he passes the ball more, which is not necessarily better passes compared to MJ. There is a level of artistry and flow in Jordan's play that non before or after him had

4 words that MJ said that you’ll never hear from Bron: “This ones on me”

@kostastube2010

3 жыл бұрын

Also "I took it personally"

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron said that too. Here’s one LeBron said you’ll never hear from MJ. “Don’t pass the ball to me”

@samarjeetbhonsle6000

3 жыл бұрын

Bron said that tho

@stupidrules1000

3 жыл бұрын

Except for all the times that lebron said that too. Lol

@Tothemoon96

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asian2706 why would you not pass the ball to mj 😂😂 that would sound dumb asf coming outta mj mouth

Everyone knows it's mj then kobe. Nothing James does will ever change that

@yatozaki

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron may not be the goat , but he’s definitely better than kobe

@godlyvibes3764

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe number 7

@knockdadeathstroke3799

2 жыл бұрын

@@yatozaki kobe three peated...lebron never

@yatozaki

2 жыл бұрын

@@knockdadeathstroke3799 lebron will always be better than kobe 😂

Beautifully said man. Nailed it

The last dance convinced LBJ himself that he's trying to chase a ghost, now he tries to stay healthy and play as long as he can to maintain his long career and to play along his son, which, as he states: "My Greatest achievement"

@PrinceKhori

3 жыл бұрын

@Fritz Malabuyoc gtfo lol

Congrats on 7k brotha! Keep up the great work

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks my man!

Growing up in germany where basketball isn't rly big I didn't know what the nba was let alone what the letters stood for. But I knew the name Michael Jordan and I knew he was a basketball player. People who don't care about basketball don't know lebron but everybody knows MJ cause he's the goat

@alberteinstein9591

3 жыл бұрын

@Darren Cernansky ironic that you call me out when what I said was correct. Everybody knows Michael jordan. Not everybody knows lebron

@alberteinstein9591

3 жыл бұрын

@Darren Cernansky his skillset is bigger he has accomplished more in less time never lost because he didn't rise up to the occasion never lost against a worse team.

This was never a real debate among people who know the game. MJ was simply the superior player whether your speaking statistically, Accolades, eye test, etc. From having a higher peak, to averaging 32/8/8/3 when called upon. This idea that Lebron is a greater all around player is vastly overblown. When Jordan played point guard toward the end of the 88-89 season, he averaged 34/11/11 (10 triple doubles in 11 games), simply unstoppable and if he were in the modern era would easily be recognized as the greatest combo guard ever. He was not only the greatest scorer to play the game, but when factoring his athleticism, scoring, and court vision you could legitimately argue he was the greatest playmaker as well. That's not even including that he's arguably the best defensive perimeter player to ever play the game. The only argument Lebron has is longevity, and any real fan knows that MJ missed 3 full seasons! Even if he averaged just 29PPG over those 3 seasons(below his career average), your talking about over 7000+ points he missed, let alone the other statistical categories he'd dominate. He'd easily be the all time scoring leader!! The gap is very very wide, there won't be another MJ ever again. Hell there won't be another 18yr old phenom with the longevity, athleticism, and consistent super star level play of Lebron either.

You say LeBron in #2? Tell that to Kareem and Wilt. Russell too.

@BullsCentral

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, he's higher on the list than those guys. Kareem is close for sure. The other two played in an era where basketball was a completely different game in terms of the level of competition

@jeanpio1222

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron ain't even past kobe for me

@kenperlman2204

3 жыл бұрын

@@BullsCentral Far less dilution.

MJ for me is more than a basketball player. When tough times came to my life, I remember a man doing everything to solve problems. If there is any possibility to change the direction of your fate, MJ took it. When he was injured, and there were so much possibilities he can never be the same, and probably, his carrer was over, he was asked by his coach MJ, if you had a headache and 9 pills would kill you, and one of them, can resolve the problem what would you make? And he answered, depending of how harder was this headache. This is a way of thinking out of this world, probably, the rest of the populations never take one of this pills and he will take the risk to continue his normal life. No gas in the tank, he need all the gasoline to live his life with peace of his mind, knowing the risky decisions but being so brave to assume the results of this. MJ is All In, giving the best of you is the only way he knew to reach his goals. His parents were hard workers and MJ did what their parents teached when he was a child. Effort culture, hard work and then the success will come with time. This is not an sportsman way of thinking, this a life mentality to save every single obstacles, one by one, till the end. Since your last breath. This is why MJ was the best and will be the best.

@Its_Dende

3 жыл бұрын

Mj ain’t exactly the best role model

@ThiagodMoraes

3 жыл бұрын

@@Its_Dende Nobody is man, but he is/was certainly a great one for anyone who wants to succeed through hard work and perseverance in life. He's been a big inspiration for me since i was a kid, makes a big difference.

Those of us who are old enough know that a wise person would choose even peak Kobe/Bird over Lebron.

There shouldn't ever have been a GOAT comparison it was not even close.

Can't recall seeing MJ or Kobe flopping. For that matter, don't think Bird or Magic did either. 4 championships with 3 franchises? Curry won all 3 championships with the Warriors. That makes him better in my eyes over Lebron. Wonder how Leflop will fare against the Detroit Bad Boys. Lebron destroyed his own legacy.

@ThiagodMoraes

3 жыл бұрын

He would cry as a scared kid. Imagine Lamber, Rodman,Mahorn just knocking him out, old rules of course. Imagine the Knicks with Mason, Starks and Ewing. He would be tormented right in every sec of the game. Man I love Lebron, but he is not Mike, the end!!

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t recall that time when teenage LeBron destroyed 33 year old MJ in his last chip.

@latonyhopson7257

3 жыл бұрын

This is peak stupidity right here

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@latonyhopson7257 IKR, that comment is bold not gold LOL

@jayuchiha1375

3 жыл бұрын

So because he flopping that automatically makes him not the goat? Y’all sound so stupid

9:19...That's my position on this subject. I never thought it was an argument for Lebron to be the GOAT from the get-go. The two greatest basketball players in my opinion are...#1. Michael Jordan and #2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

The Last Dance ruined Lebron. It really showed this season.

you really looking it from the one perspective ma guy,stilla a interesting video

The goat debate is over LeBron lost in the first round MJ is clearly the better player I mean just look at how many things he's accomplished AD should not have played it was too risky and he paid the price for it Lebron is way overrated

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

So the debate is over bc LeBron lost once in the first round but Jordan looses 3 straight years in the first round and it's okay?

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@@yhadiel2804 Man be for real, MJ lost in the first round as a rookie. Then he lost against the 5-7th greatest team EVER! After he started winning he never lost bro Lebron was not even the best player on his own team the 2 games they won against the Suns - when did MJ ever do that? Lebron without AD went 1-8 this year against top 20 teams - he's overrated at this point, he's still top ten in the league

@yhadiel2804

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyd1632 okay so Keep that same energy about loosing to superteams when it comes to LeBron, bc Y'all stay bringing up his finals losses as if the only team that beat him that wasn't a superteam was Dallas, and the only teams he played that weren't superteams were Dallas and Miami, also Jordan lost in 5 to a team with one all star, and that all star wasn't even better than Jordan

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@@yhadiel2804 I don't hold Lebron losing in 2017 or 2018 against him. But here's reality - the only game Lebron wins (1-8) Kyrie was the best player (so again like against the Suns this year the only games they win AD is by far the best player), Kyrie dropped 40 points that game man 2014, no man sorry. That Spurs team was a great "TEAM" even though Duncan was 37 and showing his age he was still good. They were not a superteam, The Heat were showing how playing a "BRON" system can never beat a great "TEAM" system. 2007, again no that Spurs squad was a great team but they were not a superteam. I don't hold that loss against Lebron either, he had an ordinary supporting cast and he was young. But the way he shrank (22ppg @35%) that I do hold him accountable for.

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@@yhadiel2804 hey do you mean 1988 against the Pistons? when you said MJ lost in 5 to a team with just 1x all star??? Dantley was out for the all star game (think he was injured) but was voted around 12th in MVP voting in 1988, Isiah was voted even higher around 10th for MVP - Rodman was top 10 in DPOY voting, Dumars game was starting to show up, Vinnie was Vinnie and Bill dropped some thing like 16 points and 14 rebounds per game in that series. And this was before MJ became a winner, after he won he did not lose. That's a huge factor as well Sorry man that's a pretty bad example of yours IMO