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Жыл бұрын

Dude, V engines in bikes are bad engineering, everybody knows that. That is the reason. Parallel is the best

I bought my vstrom 1000 2003 because I fell in love with the engine, 14 years later and still loving it.

@robhughes1639

Жыл бұрын

Alxx, my 02 vstrom 1000 is quicker accelerating through the gears than a brand new 15 reg I had a few years ago. That must be down to making the bike more emission compliant.

@zedddddful

Жыл бұрын

@@robhughes1639 different gearing 👍

@alxx1378

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's faster but I know that a lot of the new bikes eat my dust. Resently BMW 9 t I think the owner was looking at my old vstrom and he was amazed.

I had one and have to say the V twin was my favorite bike. A real motorcycle feel with great tech and amazing performance.

It has nothing to do with emissions. It’s cheaper to make a parallel twin then a V-Twin. One cylinder head instead or two, one cylinder block instead of two, one timing chain instead of two. There’s a reason the other 3 Japanese middle weight twins use this design. Another advantage, the parallel twin is easier to service, as getting to all the valves is easier. You can use one throttle body for both cylinders much easier then you can with a V-Twin.

@garymitchell6897

Жыл бұрын

How do you get two crankcases with a gee twin?

@stormtrooper9404

Жыл бұрын

Preach brother!!! It all came down to the money, and profits! Sadly…

@clubstyleridahd4695

Жыл бұрын

@@garymitchell6897 Who said anything about 2 crank cases?

@garymitchell6897

Жыл бұрын

@@clubstyleridahd4695 it clearly says one cylinder block instead of two

@MrAmorti

Жыл бұрын

It's also emissions for all the reasons you said. One camchain and two cams add half as much friction as you get on a v-twin. Simpler exhaust routing can get gasses into the catalyst faster to heat it up quicker. New engine with more modern combustion chambers and head can burn cleaner, etc., etc.

Suzuki is not ditching anything, it only added some bikes that were missing in their portfolio using the MotoGP championship money. Both new DL650 and SV650 are already up in the 2024 catalog, thus being Euro5, they always said these bikes would be kept along the 8S and DL800.

Well, just recently the new head of Suzuki Germany, Kazuyuki Yamashita, said in an interview to MOTORRAD Magazine that the 650 vtwin is going to around for a long time. The magazine then goes on to speculate the new, recently spied bikes, might be new Bandit/GSX-S/GSR and DR models, to be positioned between the 650cc and 1000cc+ models.

@Cheezmonka

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was gonna say these new bikes seem more likely to be GSXS750 replacements than anything.

@davidnobular9220

Жыл бұрын

Kazuyuki Yamashita ? Sounds like the name the company name if Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha merged......

@robertherrick6703

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheezmonka But one of those bikes shown in the photos looks very much like a V-Strom

Oh my god - I had an SV650, exactly the same as that white 'S' version you've got there, with the "bikini faring", (except mine was a deep blue). I loved my bike - it was one of the best I've ever had. 100% bullet proof, honest fun work-horse. It took me everywhere, from the daily commute to touring the whole of the UK. It was so extremely thin, you could squeeze through the tightest gaps when filtering. :) It was my first big bike, sounded great with a scorpion pipe on, and took good care of me. Nothing but fond memories. RIP.

@warrenkral6562

Жыл бұрын

I had a red one. About 80k on that bike. 12 sets of tires, 5 chains, and oil changes. A great bike.

@CraigShawCraigShaw

Жыл бұрын

Same here. But mine was yellow!

@infotechsailor

Жыл бұрын

What happened to it

@gagestewart591

Жыл бұрын

I bought the exact same motorcycle last week! Deep blue with the bikini fairing! So excited to finally get on the road this weekend after some necessarily old, used bike maintenance!

@ozzyg82

Жыл бұрын

@@gagestewart591 hope it’s good fun 👍🏻 ride safe

I had an SV 650S and a DL 650 and now ride an FZ-07. The V-twins were smoother and could pull better from low rpms than this parallel twin and the chassis was more stable, also. I am riding the FZ-07 because now at 73 y.o. I wanted a lighter bike and so went from 485 # on the DL to about 440 # on the SV and now to about 400# on the FZ.

This is why I rushed out and picked up a brand new SV650 last year. I figured it was just a matter of time before they "fix" what isn't broken and ruin a great thing. Super fun bike with a price tag that feels like you stole it.

@davea9946

Жыл бұрын

Just ordered a new VStrom 650 2 days ago.

V-twins are inherently more expensive than parallel twins. Two head castings, two cylinder castings vs one of each. Modern offset crank parallel twins have the same power in a smaller, cheaper package. Loved my naked 650. Sorry to see them go away.

@666dualsport

Жыл бұрын

They made in a factory, with robots, its no harder, no cheaper,

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

@@666dualsport Did your mother have any children that lived? Someone has to program the robots and set up the production line. Why do you think V-twins are dying? Ducati and H-D are the only factories that stick with that design, because both of their customer bases want them, despite the poor bang-for-buck.

@jdillon8360

8 ай бұрын

@@666dualsport robots or not, more parts means more material and more steps. that means more expensive and slower to make.

Yep, currently on a SV650 as my commuter, they are bomb proof. I’m on my 3rd, a couple of Gen 2’s and now a new one. It will be a sad day when they get rid of the V twin.

@lilnips

Жыл бұрын

How does it handle

@stuartmoles843

Жыл бұрын

Very well for what is effectively a budget bike, yes they’ve saved a bit of cash on the suspension but you can improve any bike if you want to throw money at them and it really isn’t needed in the case of the SV. I really don’t think there is a bigger bargain out there.

@nishantnanda8404

4 ай бұрын

Is the gearing different if the SV compared to the v strom 650 ​@@stuartmoles843?

Watching from Germany and really like your videos. Very informative and well presented. Great job 👍🏻

The problem for me is that I find 4 stroke parallel twins utterly boring. Give me a V Twin, inline 4,V4 or triple any day of the week.

if V-Strom 650 doesnt have V-twin... it will stop making sense 😣😣😣

@aktoriukas

Жыл бұрын

It's in the name... Not sure their can ditch that. Or maybe rename it ?

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

P-Strom? :\

@nickb3968

Жыл бұрын

@@motobob lol....that name could be a marketing problem

@IskDude980222

Жыл бұрын

@@motobob Strom-P is cuter

@Cruiser203

Жыл бұрын

So does sV650

Absolutely love the stunning looks of the Gen2 SV650. Beautiful bike.

@RAWBANDerson

Жыл бұрын

Me too! That’s what I ride and I just can’t seem to get rid of it! I still love it when I look out the window and see it.

@bobbingtonnoir5946

Жыл бұрын

@@RAWBANDerson I know Suzuki had ABS as an option for the bandit 650 and v-strom 650 at around that time. I wish the SV-650S had an ABS version. I would definitely pick one up as a summer toy. I know I know, ABS is not essential. But I feel more comfortable knowing I have that safety net there if/when I need it.

@RAWBANDerson

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbingtonnoir5946 I've never ridden one with ABS, but I am sure it would come in handy! Might have saved me from T-boning a van that did an illegal u-turn a few years ago. Ride safe my good Man!

I have a 2002 SV650S with a Staintune pipe on it that I've owned since new. As you mention, I can thrash it a fair bit at semi-legal speeds and it sounds great.

I own an SV1000 K3 and absolutely love that bike. The way it feels and looks is just great. I have the feeling it will become a rare classic.

Nice work Rob. Totally understand. I’m sure you’ll. Have a lot of fun on this.

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate! Looking forward to a track day on it next week already :)

You know, it seems no matter how hard we try we just can't stop meddling with things. That old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" just doesn't hold any sway over people who insist on making perfectly good things either worse or forgotten, and replaced with something the tinkerers think is a marvel of creation.

dude the production and stats of this vid prove you need a mil subs - kudos to being so thourough

I really like the Gen 2 SV650 - your new bike looks great 👍

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

I’ve only ridden it a couple of times but I absolutely love it. A very simple bike with no TC or ABS or modes etc etc but just a brilliant engine that makes it really engaging to ride. Massively rate it already 👍

One of the problems with the V twin is cat placement, when the T7 was updated for Euro 5 the cat had to be moved closer to the engine exhaust ports to get hot faster. Cats don't work as well on v twins.

If Suzuki wanted to sell more of these super smooth naturally balanced and beautifully sounding bikes, they should have made an SV650-R version with fully adjustable suspension. Giving it GSXR like suspension, brakes, electronics, and TFT would make it the ultimate SV650. The V-Twin is also incredibly narrow, which makes it easy for shorter riders to get their feet down and allows more movement on the bike. Not sure if it's the extra structure of the V-Twin engine, but the SV feels much more stable at the limit compared to the MT-07 as well.

I bought a 22' SV650 this year and couldn't be happier. I get the argument about the P-win vs. the V, but, am glad to have gotten in on the fun while I still could.

@bhok1971

Жыл бұрын

Great. Now go and get a British made Fuel Diablo exhaust for it. Great value and sound. 👍🏻

@phobosbot81

Жыл бұрын

Or an also British made Scorpion

Also, an inline twin means you can have a balance pipe connecting the exhaust headers which boosts low end torque, can't link a V twin exhaust until it's almost at the rear of the bike

@frankcastle5294

Жыл бұрын

Who cares?

I had its big brother, the SV1000 naked, probably my favourite bike out of the dozen or so I've had. Fabulous engine: beautiful noise when it came on cam. I always recommend the SV650 to new riders who ask me what they should buy as their first bike. I'm sorry this engine is giving way to the parallel twin but I can see the cost benefits for the mid-market. Being an old dinosaur, I ride a flat-twin roadster now, you can guess the make. It's well-engineered and the layout has a low centre of gravity, but for excitement I prefer the SV1000.

If Suzuki gets rid of the fantastic and different L twin... it is going to be a bad move. Differentiation is a key factor, and that feature made me choose the SV rather than the MT07. I would maintain that power plant forever with the needed tweaks. It could be fantastic for a scramber bike, or even a custom style bike. They both could have a more premium price... and that gem engine.

@future62

Жыл бұрын

270 degree twins give you 99% of that character for a fraction of the cost and hassle. This is going to make the bike better.

@josevi5835

Жыл бұрын

@@future62 I own the SV and tried the MT07 engine... they are absolutely different. The SV's is much more torquey and you feel the beats of the engine constantly while the MT07's engine is linear. The 270 configuration does not replace the feeling of an L engine. However, the Yamaha 700 cc parallel twin is awesome.

@tempofugo168

Жыл бұрын

@@josevi5835 Hey, what do you mean by "linear" ? Isn't the vtwin linear too ?

@josevi5835

Жыл бұрын

@@tempofugo168 with the L twin you feel the beats of the bike perfectly and, at the same time, it delivers the power through a wide range. The Yamaha CP700 is more like and electric engine. Better if you try them both.

I sold my vstrom 650 for a dr650 and regret it every day because I've gotten to the point of riding where I took my vstrom through the same thing I do on my dr sure it was more rough offroad and did hut the skidplate quite often but on the street it's soooo much better I miss my vstrom soo much and planned on buying another one but I will be getting used one because that v twin is what made the bike

Still planning to buy the new Vstrom 650xt. I think they will only phase it out in Europe because of the emission standards. But here in asia, it's still selling like hot cakes for both models.

It's sad it is going. However a new 750cc naked bike, from Suzuki with a parallel twin interests me. It's main competitor is going to be the new Honda Hornet with the parallel twin. The MT 07 has had a fantastic parallel twin engine, that sounds as good as a V twin. So I'm optimistic.

Only Stevie Wonder would think the Gladius should have been built in the first place. The longevity of Suzuki models has really helped Suzuk'si pricing and reliability.

@alphacapo

Жыл бұрын

The cool thing about the gladius....u can get them dirt cheap. Just because they are ugly. I'd take a low mile Gladius for 2500 bucks all day and ride the shit out of it

@peter7624

9 ай бұрын

Maybe I'm weird but I always prefered the styling of the Gladius to the SV.

Another great vid! I had an 03' SV 650 standard. Bought it used back on 2015 for $1400. It needed some TLC but had the full Yoshi exhaust which sounded amazing and cost nearly as much as I paid for the entire bike. Had the bike for 4 years and sold it but I wish I never did. If you can find some larger headers I highly recommend it as it makes it sound even more bad ass.

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

Good tip mate - thanks I'll look into it :)

After this news, i decided to keep my 2018 Vstrom 650 until it dies which i know will never happen. I’d replace mine with a new Vstrom only if they keep the v twin with some more power, add cruise control, heated grips. It’d be epic if they make this combo and offer Vstrom 750 or 850. Suzuki should take lesson from Yamaha and listen to their customers more

My 2005 Gen2 SV650 is THE perfect motorcycle, and that exhaust note is like music to my ears!

My first 'big' bike when I passed my test in 1999. Was a new carb version & was a great engine at the time

@speedfinder1

Жыл бұрын

Plus one for me too! The bike is still in the family and still giving good daily service all these years later.

I have a 2008 vstrom650 fun bike and good engine. Is my vstrom engine much different then sv650?👍

Yes bought a gladius for my missus, looks like a poorly assembled plastic model kit. But it rides sweet! Nicasil in the bore lining, gsxr injectors to fix the fuelling grabbiness issue, thing pulls better than my old Zephyr ZR750. More adjustable suspension and decent brakes. With 22K kilometers at just under 40% of current model cost, great value! Change the headlight, remove or modify the plastics, tail tidy & can would improve the hell out of the appearance. Will I get around to it? Who knows, it's fun to ride!

I've had a bunch of vstroms over the years (6 or so) and own one now that I've racked up 120,000 miles on. I love the bike but parallel twins just make more sense. I had a ninja 650 I converted into a dirt bike and that engine is so sweet. I hope Suzuki employs the same cassette gear box.

@GuitarTherapy144

Жыл бұрын

Om about to by a v strom. Tried a versys 650. What about engine resonance and vibrations at highway RPMs? Id love your feedback. I felt v stroms were really good compared to nc750 and versys 650 paralels..

@pjm204

Жыл бұрын

@GuitarTherapy144 I do not consider the vstrom to have much vibration at highway speeds. I think you'll be happy with it.

@GuitarTherapy144

Жыл бұрын

Is it better compared to versys/ninja650? Same engine in both of kawas no?

@pjm204

Жыл бұрын

@GuitarTherapy144 I never found the Ninja 650 to be particularly vibey either but yes I'd say it probably has less.

Yep the 650 V Twin is an excellent versatile engine, But I totally agree with all you said about Suzuki dropping it, It just makes sense. I used to own a TDM 900 one of the first to incorporate a 270 Degree Crank. Way above its time that bike and I loved it and have been riding Twins ever since. It’s great to see a KZreadr keeping it real and buying 2nd hand bikes, because let’s be honest, That’s all most of us can afford, Please keep up the reviews of the 2nd hand Market Much Respect Tim Sapper 👍👍👍

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim - I think that’s how I will break the 2 channels out going forward. New bikes here, used bikes on the other

@PaydayGabeBCNV

Жыл бұрын

@@motobob ,, that's a practical approach Bob. I never purchase New. Let someone else take the financial hit w/ the bike in question. Great content as always 🍻🙌. G.

@PaydayGabeBCNV

Жыл бұрын

The TDM models are by far more popular in the UK/EU than ever in the States. 92/93 model years only here. They were revolutionary,, but over priced and didn't sell well 😔. I have a 92 TDM 850 3VD MK1. Its a wonderful machine (360°crank), w/ 53.6k miles on the clock. She's currently getting a top end refresh due to a eroded intake valve 🤷‍♂️. Yamaha did it 💯 Right with these bikes👍👍. Ride safe everyone. 🙏

@fixento

Жыл бұрын

Honda parallel twins have have 270 degree cranks. You may be aware the fact is a V engine has nothing to do with the crank angles. Harley Davidson, first pistons fires at 315 degrees, there is a 405 degree gap, second piston fires at 315 degrees, there is a 405 degree gap. The reason you know it a Harley by the distinct sound.

Great explaining, thank you. 😊

I had for a second bike ( after owning a ninja j2 ) the 2007 fully faired sv 650s. Done almost 70k for 3 years. Daily commuter, couple of track days , long distance, done across Europe twice... for my height, very uncomfortable, bad brakes, patchy throttle response, not best looking bike... however there was something in it... this V-twin, the whole package, such an unpretentious machine. Quite economical, reliable, cheep to run. I have embarrassed many 100ps bikes ( or riders) with it. Now riding gsxs1000f with a fantastically smooth inline 4, probably never going back to such a tractor, however as mention earlier, there was something in this motorcycle. Very good video!

They just should have made a proper SV1000 instead of mashing up another mediocre mid-weight.

Brilliant content mate 🤟

Well produced by an intelligent and knowledgeable host, sad to lose the Suzuki V-twin from the market.

Ay! Glad to see some love for the NC750

I had an SV1000s for years and loved it. Too bad the 1000cc version didn't last. Now I have a DR-Z400SM, which is likely in the same boat as the SV...where it is past dure to be replaced.

The only reason I got the SV was because of the V engine. Now it's basically the same as any other twin.

I just bought a brand new 2024 Suzuki V-Strom 650XT. Still the V Twin 650 engine. Can't wait to get it.

Great video. Great work.

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate - appreciate the support!

Sv 1000 was one of my best bikes, now i have a gsx 8s and boy i love it as it takes me back to my sv 1000 ducati 748 ang my mt o07, and last but not least sp1 all rwins and a tracer 07 and my tracer 900 , all had feeling and sound to die for and my 8s now is fantastic

im learning on one currently so looking at buying one to gain experience. or what would you suggest for first bike after passing A licence (not after speed)

Awesome! Love those VTwins

I have a '19 VStrom 650 and I like the engine, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they come out with next. I'm looking for a midsize street bike in the next year or so. I hope they go ahead and jump straight to having a decent electronics package including cruise control. I insist on that for my next bike as I plan to tour on it. If none of the big 4 have a bike with cruise on it < $10K I will probably wind up with a CXMoto, which delivers cruise on a mid-sized bike for < $7000.

Got a tl1000r, fantastic ride.

i've got the sv650 and then more bikes in between before getting an Mt07 after that i choose the V-Strom 650xt .. great handling and running bike ... it's sad they decided to ditch this engine..

I raced a 650 in the mini twins and it was a fantastic motor loved this bike :)

I used to own an SV1000s. Probably the only bike I wish I never sold. Awesome sound from its twin pipes too.

@ldorman

Жыл бұрын

I own the SV1000 K3 and pretty much everyone I spoke to who once owned one keeps saying the same thing: "...I wish I've never sold it..." Aslong it runs, I'll keep it - to be honest, right now I don't even know why I would want to get rid of it. It has torque, great on the twisties and also great in the city. The only thing I don't like on it, is the relative short range of only around 150mls

270°cranckshaft: first time done by Yamaha on the TDM and TRX 850. I miss my 1998 yellow-silver TDM, tweaked-dynorun to +- 100HP iso 77. Never have should have sold it. But my 2015 MTS1200S is awsome!

Could that naked bike prototype shot be for the new gsx s750 well due an update? The frontal looks like the gsx s1000...

It is a shame and if manufacturers are going down the parallel twin road I can only hope they put some effort into the visuals. The Kawasaki 650 , for instance, looks like it could have come from an ATV or snow mobile. Looks count on motorcycle. That would explain why those that pay homage to the full retro look, are cleaning up.

270-degree P-twins have taken over especially in the performance area lately. Look at the Aprilia Tuono/RSV660, the KTM Duke 790 and Duke 890. The KTM Duke 890R in particular is a seriously high performing P-twin. They are the best of both worlds in terms of cost and performance. Honestly looking at the dynos and doing "blind" hearing tests you would be HARD PRESSED to figure out the real world differences between a V-twin and 270-degree P-twin. I think its about time Suzuki do something fresh, I'm also excited to see how the Honda Hornet turns out. All these new middleweight twins are gonna make my MT07 feel very outdated :P

@ldorman

Жыл бұрын

I also believe that p-twins are a bit more fuel efficient. The v-twins have more torque but are quite heavy on fuel.

@alexandrshevtsov8

Жыл бұрын

Power does not depend on what type of engine is used - inline or V. Power and economy depends on settings.

2024 model year introduced! So still around and we are happy for that!

The SV650 motor is fantastic, fun and reliable. It is also VERY old design and ridiculously heavy design and uses way more fuel than a good modern motor. The increase in popularity of the parallel twin is a lot to do with the fact they have made them VERY smooth. Parallel twins basically were exceedingly vibey. The new balancing methods have made them beautifully smooth.

@JDWDMC

Жыл бұрын

Parallel twins aren't popular. It's the least pleasant motorcycle engine to own and ride. Characterless, vibey and boring. I'm looking for a new bike at the moment and I think I'll be buying second hand. The ONLY parallel twin I loved was my Yamaha TRX 850. They did that right.

@gregjetnikoff7124

Жыл бұрын

@@JDWDMC I owned an MT 07 and still own a CB500X Honda. Absolutely no vibration. Crystal clear mirrors. Parallel twing with modern balance are perfectly smooth. They have even done to singles. I have a CRF300 Rally and it also has no vibes. The latter has a genius counterbalance between the bottom of the main crank flywheels.

@ntdscherer

Жыл бұрын

@@JDWDMC A parallel twin with a 270 crank is certainly not characterless and boring.

@schizuki

Жыл бұрын

My 2019 SV650X gets 55mpg (and that's with garbage American ethanol-polluted gas.) Do parallel twins exceed that significantly?

@gregjetnikoff7124

Жыл бұрын

@@schizuki Way over 70mpg on ethanol fuel on my CB500X

Suzuki missed a huge opportunity to jump on the retro market with a proper cafe racer version of the 650. Yes, I know they had a "cafe racer" but it was basically a naked bike with headlight fairings...

Same with the beautiful Spada / VTR 250 motor. I had the 1999 gen one SV560s and my step up from my VTR250. Sweet motor and agree with everything you said about . 66 hp at the rear wheel on the dyno. fantastic brakes and after a bit of suspension work it was a lovely bike.

@junglie

Жыл бұрын

yeah the standard forks are the worst i've had on a bike such a shame as heavier springs & damping oil made them acceptable.

@marcox4358

Жыл бұрын

Currently restoring an 85' VT250F Integra, just having headaches with the electronics hahaha

Wished Suzuki kept 45% degree and increased HP to 85-90HP.Kind of let down to be honest.I bought 1st gen SV650 new.Loved it.

i droved the z650 two years, was a great bike fun light power was the key words. So, i looked at the picture from the prototype and i saw that the front mnaks is from the 1000/950 gsxs. The Suspension looks the same as from 950 gsxs. I think the front fork and brake caliper are maybe the same. Rims and wheel as the same and the oil cooler behind the oil filter are 1 to1 replace from the gsx 1000

@W3TFART

Жыл бұрын

You rode not droved . How did you even get that word past spellcheck ?

I think the parallel twin that is coming out is going to be a 850-900cc and I think they are keeping the 650cc v twin because Suzuki likes saving money.

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

Well they just announced new 2023 colours for the SVs, so it looks like they’ll sell it for the next YM. But after that it’ll be gone for sure

@MachoMadness69420

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. The USD fork, radial brake calipers and beefy header pipes give it away. Not to forget the fact that the GSX-S750 is rumored to soon be discountinued - and is hopelessly outgunned and outdated.

To all: I have owned over 100 motorcycles and the SV650 is high on my most favorite list. Think when I jump on this one and leave my Hayabusa in the garage. Nuff said.

Everyone seems to be abandoning traditional V-Twins in favore of 270° parallels, I guess those just have too many advantages?

I’m getting a low km 2012 model. Happy days.

So what happened to this? Did it turn out to be just a rumor? The 2024 SV650 seems to have a V-Twin. Can you clarify? Thanks!

It’s so annoying that ever middle weight bike is going to parallel twins.

I must admit, I look forward to the new Hornet! Thank you mr Bob!

@motobob

Жыл бұрын

It's going to be a good one I reckon!

I loved my DL650, but I dumped it for my second time around with a KLR650. THE ONLY BIKE I GONE FOR SECONDS. My complaint of the DL650 was even though the maintenance schedule was much lower than some areas like valves than the KL650 the headache of opening and closing the DL650 was significantly more and the electrical system was more prone to failure. That is definitely not something desireable on the road or in back country. Thankfully, the day I went into buy a Royal Enfield Himalayan the dealer had just taken in a 2018 KLR650 with about $3000 of upgrade parts, detailed maintenance journal, original parts, and 1.5 years left on a factory extended warranty. The bike in 8/2/22 only had 3403 miles and it was pristine. I had told myself no more KLR650 as at 5'8" my 08 was too tall. I dropped three times in two weeks when I first bought it. But, the 2018 was short enough for me to get onto the balls of my feet and it is the last year for carborated engines. It was exactly what I wanted in a KLR. The previous owner had been buying KLRs since 1987 and his hip had finally told him no more tall heavy bikes. My blessing it is.

the only thing I like to this SV650 is the v-twin. there is a lot of parallel twin out there with advance feature that I will ditch for sv650 engine only.

@lilnips

Жыл бұрын

Are v twins problematic?

the first gen frame was designed by bimota. and suzuki outsourced the engine manufacturing to china. the gladiolus also came with a big heap of engine updates so its probably the best one if you can hold back the barf when you look at it.

They sounded the same to you? I disagree. V STORM is the king. I would definitely buy V Strom over all the other bikes even if they had more power.

I hope Suzuki pulls a Yamaha and gives their new P-Twin a 270 degree crank. It won't sound as agricultural as the 180 degree P-Twin in the Kawasaki Z650. They would also do well to keep the low RPM throttle assist. A nice feature for a somewhat entry level bike.

@motobob

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Almost certainly! In fact I wish Kawasaki would do it too - how much work can it really be?

I currently own a KTM 990 SMT and a gen3 SV650. Previously I also had a Yamaha BT1100 bulldog. Guess what are the similarities with all these bikes? A V-twin.

for me no diffrenc v or i as long as power torque displacement stay similar 🤷🏻‍♂️

Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

How's vibration between a 90-degree twin vs parallel?

Thank you!

Had a mk1 and have a mk3, awesome little bike.

I have a 2002 that I absolutely love, I can't recommend them enough

The ergos never fit, but I LOVE this bike. A red framed, red wheels version a few years back was sweet looking. It’s like the ultimate play bike for seasoned riders, or a great entry bike for newbies. 👍👍🇨🇦🤪

@frankcastle5294

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So you must be a dwarf.

Suzuki let slip that this was going to happen in late 2020, I've been waiting to see what they turn out. Still am. The Vtwin was a joint venture with a Chinese company (Think CF Moto) so they are prob Sharing Dev. costs with a Chinese manufacturer this time too🤔. Let's see.

My girlfriend has this bike. Absolutely fantastic bike. Solid, reliable and great handling

Equal cooling and breathing ,equal exhaust length and bend therefore flow.270 crank gives 90 % V twin firing order and sound. Parallel twin sets lower in the frame giving superior balance .Simple a 270 degree parallel is superior for most uses .

If new Parallel twin SV-650 or Para-650(As a joke) sounds like MT-07, I will buy it for sure. Because I am going to buy a new Bike next year and i'm going to buy a SV650 bacause of it sound, performance/Price, Reliable and maintenance cost.

@motobob

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I didn’t focus much on the spy shots here but it does look pretty damn good 👍

@SouLerKunG

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@@motobob In my opinion the headlight looks like a concept turbo-charged bike that Suzuki did release in 2015, a damn good looking one.

A comprehensive explanation.

What is the point comparing Triumph with modified exhaust against other bike with stock exhaust ?

Suzuki nailed the retro katana throw back look. I hope Honda does a good job.

Would love to see Suzuki go to a larger mid size (750cc - 900cc) triple.

Gladius - it's a real beauty!

It seems we will have only 270 degree parallel twins from now on, all bikes sounding very similar. I am starting to be glad that I have 180 degree parallel twin :-).

@motobob

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I wholeheartedly agree that it’s making things a little boring! It’d be nice to have something unusual to talk about… 🥱

Suzuki, didn't have problems with the v twin engine meeting emissions, it was getting too expensive to manufacture. They need to go to the parallel twins which is more economical to produce. They came up with a brand new parallel to replace it and lost one major selling point, proven reliability.

@suprlite

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They have the tooling and 25 years experience with making the sv650 as economical as possible, so i cant see much money beeing saved by switching to a new engine.

Done my DAS on a SV 650. Def like the punchy engine! Fun to ride.

It's a sad situation to lose that 90 degree V-twin.......Sal : )