3:21 The truth is, I do really want a truly random shuffle button I want the full 1200 songs in my library to be equally possible

@ChrisD__

Жыл бұрын

I want more than 1 shuffle types! Bias by mood, key, recency, or even spaced random.

@peekabooicancu

Жыл бұрын

Yesss! Most of the time, to be honest, I like listening to the more regular songs. But every now and again I want to be surprised and to be hit with some deep cuts.

@tack3545

Жыл бұрын

the algorithm they use to fix the issues with true random only change the likely hood that one sone will come after another, all songs are equally likely to show up

@14ajencks

Жыл бұрын

@Tack not true, Three Days Grace songs are much more likely to appear than other songs, stop talking out of your ass

@tack3545

Жыл бұрын

@@14ajencks the current algorithm obviously does additional things. you time stamped the part of the video explaining true random and I was explaining the thing they did to fix it.

As someone who has over 5000 songs in their Spotify library, I feel this. There are undoubtedly songs I’ve added to it that I never hear and never will. Spotify also loves playing the more recently added songs primarily, so when I hear something added in like 10th grade, I’m taken aback.

@CaptainHoratioPugwash

Жыл бұрын

This is the problem I have. My liked songs playlist is 1300 songs or so but I swear there is tonnes of songs that it just never plays.

@quakducc2274

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainHoratioPugwash I'm only 330 songs deep on my favourites, and I can only loath the idea that I'm not gonna be hearing some of the bangers I put in a year ago just because their oldest in my playlist

@caseys2698

Жыл бұрын

Try over 12,000 💀 Spotify’s shuffle algorithm is for sure why I rarely shuffle my Saved Songs playlist though :/

@gamermapper

Жыл бұрын

That's why I still download mp3 songs

@maxuwl

Жыл бұрын

​@@gamermapper no joke, but even other apps do was well, dont use Spotify but i swear the other have this was well even if is just mp3, i deleted just to see if i am crazy but my guess is no

My quick and dirty fix is to sort the songs by duration or their title names, and just play them in order without any shuffle mode.

@ladygravenly

2 ай бұрын

This was a big help. 👏

@angelopizzulli7

2 ай бұрын

ok but then you would know which song comes next to the one youre listening to, after doing this quite a few times

@Emma-dv2yh

Ай бұрын

What? You're still not on random?

@Penquinn14

Ай бұрын

@@angelopizzulli7 seriously Im struggling to see how thats a solution, they basically just said they made the playlist in a different order a few times over because sorting by length is gonna be 1 of 2 options every time

@angelopizzulli7

Ай бұрын

@@Penquinn14 the solution was stated in the video and no one can change my mind

Finally someone made a video about this!!! Been complaining about this for YEARS. I wish the Spotify shuffle was like the old iTunes algorithm where it would be truly random, but it wouldn't play a song twice until all the songs on the playlist were played. It was *perfect*.

@mytech6779

2 ай бұрын

So you want "shuffle". (Like a deck of cards) They would need to hire managers that actually know how to use a dictionary.

@13yearoldbuissnessman

2 ай бұрын

as a matter of facts, the itunes algorithm was NOT RANDOM, when itnues first came out people said that its shuffle didn't seem random, when it truly was random, so apple made a intricate algorithm which was NOT random and sold it off to people as "random". you can search this info up

@mchjsosde

Ай бұрын

Yeah unfortunately a company like Spotify doesn't have enough money to dedicate to their workers salaries 😔😔 inflation man​@@mytech6779

@TheLegendsOfRock1001

Ай бұрын

Its the same for Tidals shuffle :'(

@geeklette99

Ай бұрын

I miss this! If i wanted a certain "mood" I made/make playlists with certain vibe anyway! It would be nice if the algorithm shuffle was still an option along with the old school itunes type of shuffle. I like the enhanced shuffle feature spotify added, but it STILL has the same problem that their standard shuffle, just a little extra spice that makes it slightly less unbearable for me

Me: you made me listen to [song] 20 times, I don't even like that song! Spotify: that's impossible, you love that song, you've listened to it 20 times

@kaili5050

Жыл бұрын

literally lol

@diediedice

Жыл бұрын

I am in physical pain

@KelseyHontz

Жыл бұрын

perfect comment

@maddiepsimko

Жыл бұрын

parks and rec…?

@pasharighton

Жыл бұрын

@@maddiepsimko feels more like a joke from its always sunny

I've complained about Spotify shuffle for more years than I can count at this point. Most of my playlists are just full albums combined, and every time I shuffle it groups the albums together, clearly based on time since last listened to, whether it thinks it's my favorite, popularity, etc. Always hated it.

@freezemynads

Жыл бұрын

YEs thank you!! I listen to my liked songs and out of 1000+ songs it always plays the same ones!!

@tannerakers7276

Жыл бұрын

Are you really old or can you not count high?

@johanxietyjo3244

Жыл бұрын

@@tannerakers7276 considering spotify was founded 16 years ago, I'd say its the latter

@malachiswedberg8367

Жыл бұрын

@@tannerakers7276 it's an expression lmao

@pansexualdickhaver6878

Жыл бұрын

Currently using Spotify myself and another thing that bothers me is when you go to “radio”. It’s just a playlist lmao

Spotify has been thoroughly enshittified. Adding features no one asked for trying to apply algorithms to *everything*, implementing multiple recommendation engines, the list goes on.

The “sh!tification” of Spotify has been my villain arc; the audacity for them to charge me more.

can we make this video insanely popular so that spotify sees it and actually fixes this issue

@kanalisationerstellen

Жыл бұрын

it is a feature not a bug

@MaxineShaw_84

Жыл бұрын

@@kanalisationerstellen The feature has a bug.

@gavinyeet5821

Жыл бұрын

@@kanalisationerstellen The feature is stinky

@gameshowsandhosts

Жыл бұрын

@@kanalisationerstellen well the feature bugs me

@tetept4

Жыл бұрын

@@kanalisationerstellen the feature is a bug

The worst thing is that even when I let my "shuffled" playlist go on for long... the same songs start repeating, like I've had a single song repeat 4 times in the span of 3 hours. It fixates on like maybe 40 songs and cycles mostly through them, occasionally throwing in a different one. I should be able to listen to the entirety of my 17h playlist on shuffle without hearing a single thing twice.

@ampjam

Жыл бұрын

exactly, it’s just the worst. i hit shuffle so that i can listen to ALL of the songs in just a different order! so give me all of them!

@ours.good.worth-the-fight

9 ай бұрын

Maybe you skipped some songs? Cause the "shuffle" reshuffles when you skip, therefore the other songs that already played will play again. Atleast, that's from what I observed. I have a long 4 hour playlist (not that long compared to others, but you get the point, I mean, 4hour no skip?) that I didn't skip any song, and they all played exactly once, after the end of the playlist, some other truly random song that I don't know of will play.

@tra12048

9 ай бұрын

Sometimes I've even had the playlist end and start playing recommended songs before I hear every song in the list. Like, I'd be listening to my playlist while playing a game, never reopen the window (so there's no way I could've skipped any by accident), and suddenly the playlist will either end or start replaying songs I've already heard (or both, never getting to the ones I haven't heard). It's also a playlist that's only a couple hours long, so I can get through it all in one day. I would much prefer hearing _every song_ exactly once before the playlist ends, tyvm

@auroraborealissings2084

9 ай бұрын

Literally doesn't get better no matter how long the playlist is. Have an over 70 hour playlist. I blow a gasket regularly over how often a couple of songs will repeat on the playlist in the span of a few hours

@rinvlse

9 ай бұрын

my spotify was never shuffled enough because i would literally think of the next song playing and it would play because of how many times it would repeat

Ok, I think I worked out what the problem is (comp sci guy here btw), and it is because Spotify is doing exactly what you suggested they should do. I think what is happening is that Spotify is choosing a song at random and then going forward in an intelligent way based on that. If you think through the consequences of that, it makes total sense of the experiment you showed by bytebodger. It is totally reasonable that in their 50 attempts, they never once got their test song as the first song on the list. In which case, the smart system begins to choose songs that have a similar tone, and what do you know, all the other songs have all the same genre and bpm. So, by choosing a random song, and then playing similar songs, you would expect a 99% chance that the odd one out ends up at the end of the playlist. Your own experiments were a little unusual, but probably not enough to be statistically significant, but they are proabably a better approximation of the experience that everyone is complaining about. Imagine that you have a playlist containing 3 sets of related songs. The first set contains like 6 songs, the second set contains 3 songs, and the third is just a single song. If you were to shuffle this playlist, 60% of the time, you would end up with some sequence songs from the first set, 30% of the time, and only 10% of the time would the unique song end up near the front of the que. You could do an experiment to prove this. Create a playlist with say, 9 copies of the same song, and one song that is totally different from the rest. Then shuffle it, like a lot, and just note down the position of the unique song. You will probably find that it is in 1st position at more or less exactly 10% of the time. However, if you look at how often it is in 2nd position (and probably the other high positions), it will probably be way less than 10%.

As computer science major I want to make a customizable randomization/shuffle for music. You can add filters and different preferences. Like you don’t want the same artist to appear more than twice in a row, or if you’re sick of hearing one particular song, you can push it to the back of the queue. So that there is an easy way to meet everyone’s desire of what they want shuffle to be.

My personal solution for this issue is having a playlist called "Almost overplayed", and whenever a song in my main playlist gets played way too often, I get it in there and out of my main playlist. And when I'm not sick of it anymore, I can still put it back. It's not a great solution, but maybe some advice for y'all.

@robyn_birb2990

Жыл бұрын

That's actually smart it keeps you from getting sick of a song. I might try that thanks :D

@ComradeLuka

Жыл бұрын

I’m just gonna borrow this, thank you :,D

@HoneyDoll894

Жыл бұрын

I just make a new playlist whenever i feel kinda annoyed with the songs there, which gives me like 10-15 playlists of 20-35 songs each

@squin6959

Жыл бұрын

omg thank you this is a wonderful solution. I have an almost 900 song playlist that I used to listen to constantly, not in shuffle just the top 20 at the top, but after a couple months I got so tired of it. I made a whole new playlist with none of the same songs which currently has 134 tracks, but I’m starting to get sick of that one, too. This solution with definitely work well, I hate not being able to listen to masterpiece songs just because I’ve heard them one too many times. :)

@EgoistTheMoon

Жыл бұрын

That sounds sad. Getting sick of the song to begin with it is the harm and it's like it's already done. But at least you won't be getting sicker and can recover from it, it's smart. Being forced to get sick of a song is tragic.

My playlist has 427 songs and it's soooo frustrating that some play more often than others. Part of the point of having a long playlist is having a wide variety of stuff to listen to!

@shadow8277

Жыл бұрын

1120 songs, and i hear the same 30 every time

@benskyddd

Жыл бұрын

@@shadow8277 lol same here with around 1010 songs

@Candy-md1uk

Жыл бұрын

And it never really plays the whole playlist, it starts again before going through all the songs

@jameskilgour387

Жыл бұрын

5000, you puny mortals cannot begin to imagine my power... I mean ,uh, yeah same issue...

@ninjacat8659

Жыл бұрын

​@@jameskilgour387 Dam, and i was proud of my 70 songs 😔

"2014 was 13 years ago" 11:05 Did I miss a joke or something?

@tripleaxel7209

2 ай бұрын

I was trying to see if anyone else saw this !

@cactustactics

2 ай бұрын

She's doing the "feel old yet?" joke again but more absurd - Miranda Cosgrove also didn't age 40 years since Gabi showed her pic the first time!

@spaceplants1068

2 ай бұрын

dummy

@mane53017

2 ай бұрын

In 3 years, this will become a fact

@lisaschneider1658

Ай бұрын

@@tripleaxel7209 same!

Gabi! My KZread algorithm has been terrible lately. It keeps showing me the same videos I'm not interested in watching and showing me the same videos I've already watched. I feel like that could be a great next project

My Spotify theory has always been that the songs you've listened to more recently play more often due to the fact that they are cached in the app memory, therefore takes less data to play as opposed to a song you've never heard or haven't listened to in a while (at least in non downloaded playlists). A simple cache clear usually makes my shuffle feel more random.

@sisterofclementine

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, it happen in my different devices with the same acc

@smurphas6119

Жыл бұрын

definitely a placebo

@jamesbiggs4421

Жыл бұрын

this is very much how it works - i've scrolled to the bottom of a playlist before (3000 song playlist) on the PC version and if i press play/shuffle while viewing the bottom, it will only play the nearest 100(or so) songs to these songs. start from the top? only play the nearest 100(or so) songs in the top. definitely a thing, they just don't wanna admit they've got bad developers

@MichelleB022

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesbiggs4421 that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad developers. Maybe they weighed which is more obvious; lag and delay everytime you shuffle, or a less random shuffle, and figured people would be less likely to notice the latter.

@galyndean

Жыл бұрын

I have a playlist with over 4K songs on. It's definitely different whenever I play it. However, I've noticed that it tends to play songs that are in certain 'moods'. So if it starts off with ballads, then it tends to play a lot of ballad-y/slower songs. If it starts out energetic, then it stays energetic, etc.

great video! also that miranda cosgrove edit was hilarious.

@emmalonon8560

Жыл бұрын

i can't believe 2014 was 13 yrs ago😢😭😭😭

@TheChosenOne0224

Жыл бұрын

wow its danny gonzalez

@kaili5050

Жыл бұрын

love you, dad

@meowing005

Жыл бұрын

@@emmalonon8560 WHAT

@OpposumParty87

Жыл бұрын

OMG ITS NINJA! /j

Spotify keeps pushing some songs that i've grown tired off in my face via my dj and radios and daily lists and mixes and it's like they're just putting it into rotation without my permission and now I hate that song that I used to love

The algorithm really worked this time. I never seen this channel yet it brought my interest to watch more. Great video this is indeed.

I have a giant playlist with wildly different genres that I regularly listen to and here’s some of the main observations I’ve made with it 1. Spotify prioritizes the most recently added songs to a playlist 2. Spotify will do its best to group songs with similar genres before moving onto another genre 3. Spotify will avoid songs that do not fit into the prominent genres of the playlist 4. It will prioritize genres that you have recently listened to. It’s also good to mention that it doesn’t count a song as listened to if you skip if before 30 seconds

@qkun

9 ай бұрын

I agree with the last one, I don't get much variety in shuffle from 5k+ songs if I'm just skipping looking for something I do feel like listening to. BUT if I just let it play on shuffle on its own without skipping, it'll have a good mix so it's all rlly just leaving it alone to do its thing.

@Kiritomens

9 ай бұрын

honestly i want to add to this as i feel this is mostly true. I do feel like it definitely also takes time, and maybe even location into account. Also the device you're playing on. I get wildly different shuffles on my phone, PC, and AV setups. Also i always get chill, or depressing songs around 12-6AM like when i go home from a party for some reason. Or it play's a different shuffle when i am at work in contrast to when I'm home. Not sure if this really happens, but i definitely found that time has a big influence on the shuffle in addition to the stated above.

@MrMetropolis

8 ай бұрын

@@Kiritomens I assume it's just because most people's mood decreases during late nights (general biological trend), so they'd be more inclined to listen to chill or sad music at that time which gets picked up by the shuffle algorithm. Interesting stuff to note tho

@littlejack59

6 ай бұрын

I know in super late but ya the genre thing hits super hard because my liked songs Playlist is super "diverse" in terms of genre but when I get swancore it plays nothing but swancore for the next 15 skips until it gets to metal or something adjacent. Like fuck where is the lady gaga I have in this Playlist

@mxveewz

4 ай бұрын

@Kiritomens I agree that it most likely changes how it shuffles based on the time of day. Granted, I've done no research but my educated guess is that if it can track what time you're listening to certain types of music for Spotify wrapped, it can do so for the shuffle algorithm.

I feel like a cool idea would be for it to somehow monitor how far you got in the queue so it knows what songs you didn't get to listen to and can put those ones earlier in the next shuffle.

@annikan42

Жыл бұрын

I think about this all the time! My playlist is incredibly long an so I only ever get through a tiny fraction of it, yet there are songs that tend to pop up over and over. This would help a lot

@mrlegodude96alt2

Жыл бұрын

Literally a feature windows media player has had since like 2003, you can resume a previous list, why is this so hard?

@pm146

Жыл бұрын

I work in a factory, and use a massive karaoke speaker for music. My 400 song playlist gets the same 15 songs repeated after every break because when I disconnect from the speaker, it clears the queue for some godforsaken reason. Recently I've been shuffling using a third party program, by Steven Aleong. That works a lot better (after he updated it)

@CratthewF

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

@meikusje

Жыл бұрын

My 20 year old mp3 player had better shuffle function than Spotify. It would create a shuffled order of my songs and just remember where I had left off when I turned it back on after having turned it off. And Spotify can't even actually shuffle all the songs in a playlist longer than an hour lmao.

i absolutely adore your videos, the humour and editing style ! you’re amazing

Well, riddle me this: I don't have spotify premium, so on mobile devices I can only listen to shuffle. I got a playlist for when I drive (the only time I rly listen to music) and I have realised: When the playlist ends and I restart it, it is mirrored. At least the first 10 songs are the exact same as the last ten songs the last time this playlist played in the exact same order just reversed. I realised this during a drive that took me 6 hours and my playlist lasts for a little over 2 hours. I drove that way there and back again so 12 hours of music, roughly 5-6 repetitions of the playlist. Each time (save for the first 1-2 - I can't say about that with certainty) it was the same result: Last 10 songs were: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L and then the first tem songs would be without fail L,I,H,G,F,E,D,C,B,A.

@toomanyopinions8353

3 күн бұрын

Weirdly, free Spotify does shuffle in a totally different way than premium Spotify.

@youtubeuserdan4017

4 сағат бұрын

That's not how the alphabet goes.

I have a playlist with over 1k songs and the amount of songs I forget are in my playlist cause they rarely ever play despite the fact that I listen to music basically everyday is crazy. I would love it if the algorithm worked the way you suggested where it chooses the first song truly randomly and the rest of the queue is based off of that one song.

@IrreIephant

Жыл бұрын

Same. Have a playlist with thousands of songs. I listen to headphones inside my hardhat under my ear protection almost daily at work for 10-12+ hours, and over the course of the last year I’ve definitely noticed it chooses certain songs and artists much much more then others. Kinda annoying tbh.

@layla.a

Жыл бұрын

@@IrreIephant especially when im trying to diversify the music i’m listening to and all i get are the same ones over and over

@gauracappelletti3893

Жыл бұрын

or at least add a thing that gives priority to songs it hasnt played in a while. I think most people using shuffle you want that

@jocie3512

Жыл бұрын

ok i just wanna know, how long is your playlist? bc goddamn.

@layla.a

Жыл бұрын

@@jocie3512 quite long, i like to listen to a lot of different genres lmao

The single worst update on Spotify is when they changed it so that i can't just double click on the playlist to reshuffle i have to play a different playlist first , can you imagine that

@nexxara4572

7 ай бұрын

double click the shuffle icon

@queerqueenstan

6 ай бұрын

@@nexxara4572 on phone it automatically shuffles you dont have a choice

@nana0328

5 ай бұрын

you can actually

@Njx063

4 ай бұрын

@@nexxara4572no cause then it pauses it

@pemguim_

4 ай бұрын

@@nexxara4572 that doesn't change the starting song, and yes that matters.

I don’t know why KZread showed me this video today in the morning, but I have a really shitty day in front of me and you really cheered me up and made me ready for it. I love your sense of humor. Subscribed after 20 seconds. Thank you

Easy, just add a function to the algorithm that looks at how long its been since a song has been played, so songs you haven't heard in a long time have a higher chance of being played. Balance that with recently added songs, favourites, and keeping a consistent energy to the song list and that's about all I would want. Even a deterministic set might be better than something that "feels random", like if a random playlist was guaranteed to be 15% favourites, 15% recently added, 30% least played, and 40% "random", that might fool more people into believing it's truly random, since you're guaranteed to get a bit of everything.

Being a bit of a stats nerd, I wanted to try and get some more reliable info on this. So I took my favorite playlist (that contains 549 songs) and used the spotify web API to start a random play of it 3001 times (I wanted to do it 3000 times but mistakes were made). For each shuffle, I looked at the currently playing song and the queue (that contained 20 songs) and stored the fact that they were played + a score that goes from 21 to 1 depending on their position in the queue (21 being the best score for the first song in the queue). I put everything inside a csv and discovered some interesting things: 1. There are 8 songs that were never played. I checked using a different user and even a different playlist, theses songs are actually never played in the top 21 of a shuffle. If it was fully random, there would be about 10^-49% chance for a song to never be picked. 2. 4 songs are played more than 150 times, which would have a 0.075% probability to occur for each of them if it was fully random. 3. 3 songs are played less than 90 times (the least being 83). For each of them it would 0.86% probability if fully random. 4. Looking at the average ranking of the songs when they are played, there is a clear tendency for some songs to be played earlier in the playlist. This tendency is totally uncorrelated to the number of times the song is played. 5. In fact, I could not find a single correlation between the number of time a song is played and the other information I stored (popularity, song being marked as explicit, date it was added to the playlist). The only thing might be with the artist but it is not really clear, I would need to explore this further. I tried to share the whole data but it seems I can't put links in comments. EDIT: Exploring the artist thing, it seems that there is no compensation for artists that are less present in the playlist. It means that having only one song from an artist doesn't mean I will hear it over and over to compensate for the fact that there is other artists I have more than 30 songs of. Knowing that, there are clearly artists that are more prevalent than others. Some are played more than 130 times (per song of them in my playlist) while others are under 90. I have however no explanation as to why some artists are played a lot and others are not. EDIT2: I also can't find any clear correlation between a song being in my top listened songs (be it short term or long term) and it being played a lot in my playlist. It seems the algorithm is much more obscure than that. EDIT3: There also seems to be no correlation between a song being played a lot and its spotify-computed features (see "Get Track's Audio Features " in their web API reference). EDIT 4: auto mix was turned off.

@thegirlyouddiefors9500

Жыл бұрын

I got about 70% of this information bit thank you for your service, also this is kinda hot

@dariofkxv6829

Жыл бұрын

thanks for doing this

@Diana-dn3bb

Жыл бұрын

this is so cool! and weird that you couldn’t find any correlation. i switched from spotify a while ago but back when i used it i sometimes felt like it would literally read my mind before clicking shuffle. more often than not it would play the exact song i was thinking of. i wonder if ad tracking might have anything to do with that? like in the way you have a conversation about babies or check a website or two about it and you’ll start realizing you’re getting ads specifically about baby items.

@gryenocson2617

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry this is actually so interesting and informative. But I had to make multiple attempts to read it as "wanted to do 3000 but mistakes were made" had me cackling each time. I can just imagine that someone somewhere has to have made the same type of mistake during like a legit scientific research trial. "We actually had 100 people in the control group for this experiment, but two of them wore the same jacket that day so intern steve thought they were the same person. Hence why it says 99" "Yeah during testing of this new brand of cheese, one person failed to mention their lactose intolerance; so that one "it gave me diarrhea" review will haunt the company forever. Sorry" "We were supposed to monitor the aggression level between this group of 4 male toads over a longer period of time, but one of the toads were actually female. So now we have many toads."

@cara-seyun

Жыл бұрын

That is bizarre, especially the 8 songs never played Maybe Spotify has some sort of ‘naughty list’ of songs they won’t play unless you specifically select it? Like how YT has vids you can’t find through the search feature or recommended. Though more likely it’s just Spotify having a breakdown

Something I’ve noticed nearly constantly over the last few years that I’ve spent building a massive playlist is that it UNDENIABLY preferences recently added songs. In a playlist I’ve had since 2016, if I add ten songs today, I’ll likely hear 3-4 of those 10 songs immediately upon shuffling regardless of the other 370 songs in the playlist. Either way, it’s still nowhere near as bad as shuffling a KZread playlist, which (by my measurement) seems to grab one song and then continue to “shuffle” based on grabbing one from a +/- 10 adjacent videos, and continuing off that, so you’re never really getting things from all across the playlist.

@yourmum955

Жыл бұрын

For sure, I added Midnights last Friday while I was listening to music and like 2 songs later Lavender Haze played from Midnights

@insertname717

Жыл бұрын

For me it never plays any of my recently added songs and just plays a handful of the old ones over and over again

@sunbunnow

Жыл бұрын

Amazon music does the same thing!!!

@legrandliseurtri7495

Жыл бұрын

Wait what? My youtube playlists always seem to shuffle fairly well.

@SkiddlyBink

Жыл бұрын

yes! and also i find on a huge playlist, it is pretty mjuch just 10-15% of the songs ONLY? like it repeats almost exactly within an hour. i have one of those huge 14hr long playlists and there are definitely artists it Never touches on. then, once in a blue moon, it will throw in a new (aka not previously played) song, and yet i still end the year with "we didn't start the fire" at the top of my spotify wrapped even though i skipped it every single time it was given to me :| like maybe the point of the damn playlist is that i want to listen to All the songs on there

You're videos seem like there's put so much effort into editing! I'm so impressed and captivated by this and all the impressions, and additionally the topics are interesting! Wow

As someone with almost 10k liked songs and 1k Playlists i feel this a lot. The vast majority of songs that spotify plays are songs that I listened on repeat in the past. The last couple hundred songs i added are played the vast majority of the time. It is sooo anoyying!!! I wish we could have a true shuffle! If it dors indeed pick a song at random, it likes to stay within the range of +- 10 songs. It feels so weird. Pro tip: playing without shuffle, sorting your faves by song name or date added will feel more random

As a software engineer, the spotify shuffle feature infuriates me to no end because it always randomizes the same order until you change the playlist and it would be SO EASY to just randomize the list every time you hit shuffle or finish one full loop

@GustavoFernandesKing

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you are listening to a playlist and you hit the shuffle toggle button e actually does shuffle again the playlist. I usually do that when I want certain song to come after the one I'm listening to. (but also, MY playlists are 50 songs maximum, I don't see a reason to have like 1k songs in a list)

@noct8225

Жыл бұрын

yeah I end up adding a song occasionally to force the shuffle to change but then eventually I end up w the problem of several hundred songs that I barely get the chance to hear, so then I have to create a new playlist again :(

@dredgenfaith

Жыл бұрын

you just KNOW they didn't seed their RNG properly

@cyancia9567

Жыл бұрын

@@GustavoFernandesKing yeah i have a playlist with 1k+ songs which makes the problem way more noticeable (ik its weird don’t judge i like it that way😭)

@that.one.guy.377

Жыл бұрын

@@GustavoFernandesKing I just use my like playlist because I don't want to spend the time and energy organizing it all. So it's very noticeable with 1k plus playlists because I hear the same damn songs and have to spend an eternity skipping to find a song I hadn't listened to in the past month.

To me the ultimate goal is to hear all the music within the playlist, so I'd suggest adding a weight factor onto their existing algorithm that keeps building up every time a song isn't listened to ensure that it's eventually forced to play. I think that would create a more even distribution

@jzdude01

Жыл бұрын

It would, but also you could make an algorithm that solves the issue of misperceived pattern recognition in true random with an algorithm that doesn’t weight Individual songs to be more likely to get played, just on a set of rules starting at a random seed start point that would help ensure the songs play in a pattern that is unintuitive to the human brain and less likely to get thought of as a pattern. Basically I think what I’m trying to say is any solution to this problem is probably at odds with spotifys intended design. They want specific songs played more for specific reasons, either user retention or bc they can pay less to those artists etc…

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

Жыл бұрын

The opposite happens. The more complete playthroughs a song has, the more it gets bumped up the list. The songs you're more likely to skip show up less and less

@pl4net4ry

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I add an obscure song I really like and I get recommended the same song I added 2 years ago that I skip every time. They need to prioritize less played songs and not the ones I skip consistently.

@thestever

Жыл бұрын

This poses some problems from an engineering perspective. For this data to persist indefinitely, it would basically involve adding a new property to every user's instance of every song *for every custom playlist that user has*, that needs to be updated every time that user plays *any* song. We're talking billions and billions of new data points and new operations to update the values of those data points. Spotify needs to store that data perpetually on their servers. For a service with as many users and as much data as Spotify, space and time efficiency is a huge consideration when building any feature. In computer science a big thing is scalability, which means how different algorithms perform when the amount of data becomes extremely large. We use something called Big O notation to get a rough estimate of the space complexity (amount of data storage space required) and time complexity (amount of operations required) of an algorithm. For the one you suggested, the Big O notation would look something like this: Call # of spotify users "X", call # of custom playlists a particular user has "Y", call each song "Z", and call each play of a song by a particular user "A". The Space complexity would be O(X*Y*Z), and since all of these numbers can be arbitrarily large, the specific values don't matter so we can simplify it to O(N*N*N), or O(N^3). This means that the amount of data storage space required for this feature will scale cubically as the amount of users or songs or playlists increase, which we know they will. Cubic growth is more severe than exponential growth, which is already considered a very poor tradeoff. In other words, it's not scalable. The time complexity is similar - O(X*Y*A) - or O(N^3). Now, if this data was not sent to spotify's servers but instead cached on the user's device, that would have a similar effect but be much more operationally efficient, as it would not require any new server space. The downside would be that this data would only persist as long as the cache on your device is scheduled to last, which could be anywhere from "however long you have the app open" to "how long its been since you quit the app or restarted your phone" to maybe even longer, like a month. So if your song didnt come up in that time, and the cache expired, the weight would reset to 0.

@TlalocTemporal

Жыл бұрын

@@thestever -- Since this is a fix for playing the same handfull of song *every time,* a halflife of a month is plenty. Especially helpful if this value increments when the song is in the next 5 queued songs, so spamming shuffle will eventually cycle through the entire list.

i mean, i kinda already thought of this before because countless times have i predicted the next song in a playlist with 75+ songs

Thankfully, I have Spotify premium so I can skip as much as possible. What I do is I shuffle twice before playing my songs, I do not put the playlist on repeat (my playlist - My liked songs - of 300+ songs) and then I play it til the end or until I get bored and do the process again either on the same playlist or on a different playlist :)

I also feel like Spotify doesn't register skipped songs, only songs that started to play. The playlists it creates with my favorite songs always contain random stuff that kept coming on on shuffle and I kept skipping. It's like someone is offering you cake and you keep rejecting and they'll always be like "But you love cake, it's constantly offered to you after all!"

@MrBasmannen

Жыл бұрын

I was trying to find a specific classical song a couple of weeks back and spent like 20 minutes skipping through maybe a hundred songs. Now Spotify thinks I really love classical music and won't stop recommending it to me.

@Agent34e

Жыл бұрын

From what I'm aware, Spotify counts a play after 15 seconds. So, if you don't skip within 15 seconds, it definitely counts as a play and not skip.

@sarahbayla

Жыл бұрын

@@Agent34e I've had it count a play after less than that, songs show up in my "on repeat" that I definitely listened to once then skipped the next time it came up on shuffle🙃

@robyndb

2 ай бұрын

It’s like when grandma says “Ooh, I really like [insert chocolate of your choice]!” and everyone and their mom gifts her [insert chocolate of your choice] on her birthday for the next 20 years

there are multiple songs I’ve went from liking to having to remove them from the playlist because Spotify would constantly make it top 5 every single time I shuffled without fail. 😑

@ivlis3486

Жыл бұрын

couldn't relate more to a comment, this hit me like a train and it's not even that deep

@cecetoosilly

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!! i’ve had so many songs i’ve liked in the past that i took out because of how repetitive it was getting.

@AbrahamC61682

Жыл бұрын

Fr like I used to love Wannabe by Spice girls but now when I hear it, it makes me sick

@cecetoosilly

Жыл бұрын

@@AbrahamC61682 similar experience, i used to love listening to umbrella by rihanna but nowadays i just press skip with a scrunched up face. it's still a good song to me, just not something i wanna stick on my favs playlist nowadays.

@ranxalter2550

Жыл бұрын

Your English is good

Great video essay by the way! The editing and production kept me entertained all the way!

It got to the point where I could literally predict correctly what song it would start with

I usually only play from my 'liked songs' (a playlist of 2,000+ songs). There is always a point around 50-100 songs in where it just picks up at the start of the 'shuffle' and replays those same songs in the *exact* same order it did previously. It usually also only plays the same three artists, and also seems to play songs released in the same 'era' back to back to back. Whatever the Spotify shuffling algorithm is, its not great :')

@dwmichaels

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this is what I've found as well. I raised the issue years ago and was told "it's random, it could happen." But the same songs appearing in the same order multiple times out of a playlist of thousands of songs isn't random. Clearly, it's a touchy topic for them with their listeners and not something they really want to deal with. Thanks for the video and all the comments. There's a real comfort in not feeling crazy :P (or feeling crazy together with a bunch of other folks)

@Lucas-fl6py

Жыл бұрын

the same thing happens to me!! i usually shuffle my liked songs as well (usually 200-300 songs because i get tired of songs relatively easily) and resume playing from the same place whenever i want to listen to music. then suddenly I'll think of a song that I haven't heard in a while and realize "oh, i've been listening to the same 20 songs for the last three days." what's interesting is that sometimes it'll be a song that i know i listen to a lot (when im actively choosing what to listen to), so i know they're not selecting the songs based on what i like the most. from your numbers and mine it seems like it'll give you a selection of VERY roughly 0.25% - 0.5% of the playlist to constantly loop so maybe i shouldn't unlike songs so much since it gives me an ever shorter list of songs to listen to when i shuffle. so especially for me, i truly do want a random selection of songs because they're all ones that i like!! i take the time to remove songs that im tired of hearing but it seems like it only hurts me :(

@shtboxgarage

Жыл бұрын

I just noticed how bad it is as I'm usually adding songs regularly to my playlist so the not shuffle shuffle does change as I'm adding more songs to the shufflable list. My playlist has over 1200 songs in it, I should hear more than 50 of them.

@Somewhere_Bagel

Жыл бұрын

yeah its real annoying. i wanna truly have a radmon mix of the 15500 songs i have liked

@zwitch3368

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have the same thing. It will also loop these few songs infinitely in the same order, the only way to break the loop is clicking on a different song. And than also in different loops some songs occur very often and some nearly never

It's so much worse when you're using the free spotify too because they'll also add in random songs you didn't add to the playlist to "introduce you to new music"...ie, annoy you into paying for premium.

@aaronburrwaitsforit

Жыл бұрын

they only do that if you have less than 15 songs on a playlist

@leieryx1323

Жыл бұрын

YEAH and on mobile you can’t not shuffle a playlist, it’s terrible It means you can’t choose to listen to just one song too cause it’ll choose one million other songs and play those instead- Plus the limited skips - -

@Holygroundgirlie.fanpage

Жыл бұрын

Omg I hate that so much 😭

@patentpending7016

Жыл бұрын

Spotify was one of the most hostile user experience I had to deal with in a long time for this reason and many others, so like. Apple Music isn’t better necessarily but Jesus it’s better than Spotify, especially when you don’t pay

@TheOverlordPepper

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronburrwaitsforit I have 300+ songs in my playlist and they still do that to me

what’s that little instrument you’ve been playing with!? it’s super cool and i love the implementation into the transitions. great work gabi

i love the solution you came to, it is so smart

I keep saying that spotify should have an option to view how many times youve played a certain song. That way you can just order that from least to most and allow for your playlist to get an even amount of love.

@suussmiley

Жыл бұрын

this is a fantastic idea!!!

@hiphopheaven

Жыл бұрын

They just don't want you to do things like that

@oxiw.608

Жыл бұрын

@@hiphopheaven but itunes has that so why not spotify

@hollow7994

Жыл бұрын

while that's a good theory, adding new songs to a playlist would totally overpower the system

@Jvsa

Жыл бұрын

you could always use spotistats... spotify wont introduce it, cause then they wouldn't be able to do spotify wrapped (or would, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal)

Several software dev groups have come to the same realization. Making a "truly" random shuffle is easy, but customers always complain that it doesn't play the songs they want it to when they press the shuffle button. My preferred shuffle is the random-with-memory design which selects randomly except it won't play a song again if it was one of the last X number of songs to be played. I think Winamp used that back in the day.

@emackenzie

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I have a youtube-knockoff that'll shuffle the entire album/playlist at once so you'll listen to every song before you hear a repeat. That's my personal favorite method.

@rachelking2371

Жыл бұрын

@@emackenzie What app is this? I really need to find a better KZread playlist shuffler, I've got a 3k+ playlist that KZread can't shuffle for it's life! Currently, the best one I could find was a website on the browser, but it wouldn't play in the browser and would play videos which I didn't want to load due to using my data.

@mattcollins13

Жыл бұрын

This is literally how spotify shuffle currently works

@gordanblansky7137

Жыл бұрын

@@mattcollins13 except it’s actually not

I’m watching one of your older videos and congrats your closer to a million now then the 200k you were pushing for when this video was released.

I JUST watched the goodbye video by MatPat and when you mentioned them in 9:58 you made me cry 😢

I've always wanted an option that keeps track of whatever songs you've already heard from the playlist, prioritising in the shuffle songs you haven't heard as much until you've heard everything and then it shuffles back

@twiggledowntown3564

Жыл бұрын

Same.

@caseymarie625

Жыл бұрын

This is so fucking smart

@waxywabbit1247

Жыл бұрын

This is the way.

@thedudecalledalan9095

Жыл бұрын

That would be perfect

@Excelsior1937

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I’ve thought about, and I notice this with KZread playlists too. Like, y’all, if I’ve got the song in my playlist, it’s because I want to listen to it, and if I’ve got a playlist of over 100 songs, it’s because I want some variety. If I wanted to listen to the same twenty songs every time I pulled up the playlist, I would just have those 20 songs in it

I love when Spotify finishes my playlist and makes a radio based on it and it always starts with a song from my playlist and proceeds then to play the exact same songs in this radio… every single time

@yohanna2490

Жыл бұрын

i hear a lot of albums and i just noticed that in the past month i got the same radio "based on" different albums... with different styles...

@xzeuii

Жыл бұрын

Radio is only good when playlists are small. Once you grow your playlist, radio just feeds you your playlist

@frozenweevil4022

Жыл бұрын

@@xzeuiime and my 146 hour long playlist 💀💅

@allyrose6437

Жыл бұрын

@@xzeuii who ever has small play lists at this point unless they are super new tho, maybe they should tweak it then

@ethanhill3929

Жыл бұрын

It seems like every single radio I get starts with Seven Nation Army, no matter what playlist I start with.

The deepcuts in this video.. Death note soundtrack and Ashniko.. eclectic AF and I am here for it! Much love and respect Gabi! 🙏🏼

I know this is a year old, but I noticed that if I chose a different song in the playlist and shuffled, it would be different, I also noticed that if you shuffle and it hits that song, the shuffle would be near identical to whether I went to that song and started the queue there. I know this isn't a solution for everyone but what I started doing was using my Likes playlist as a pseudo quick playlist and I just play them in order every time. Something about the control of the order of the songs is nice to me. I usually just play my playlists in order anyways, that way I can scroll to different parts and just enjoy the songs and know what comes next (I know this is a tangent), but yeah I've noticed they've made improvements and that's nice but if just grown to live with whatever their shuffle is. I don't particularly mind if a group of the same artist plays but I'm probably not exactly the majority here aha, writing all that out has made that kinda clear to me xD

Bandaid solution: instead of hitting shuffle on your playlist, pick a song you'd like to listen to and only then set the mode to shuffle. Great video

@kanalisationerstellen

Жыл бұрын

same thought

@darkblade51224

Жыл бұрын

this works, I do it as well.

@itsdrea2353

Жыл бұрын

This must be why I never encountered this problem lol

@Nicki1202

Жыл бұрын

yep from my experience spotify is great at suggesting more songs based on one individual single.

@meHelen41

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it helps just a little and then the same songs are playing back to back again :(

My #1 most played song of the year last year was a song I had literally never searched for, but it kept being picked by the algorithm, making it frequently played, making it picked more often. I really hate how spotify tends to "find out" I like a certain popular song, then proceeds to play it very early in the queue literally every single time I shuffle, making me so sick of the song I can't stand it anymore. Great video!

@pinkiebynx6051

Жыл бұрын

i know this isn't related to the video but seeing this comment reminded me that one of the songs on my spotify wrapped playlist last year was a video. it was like a tiktok by a member of imagine dragons that i had literally never seen before. how did that happen? why is this even on spotify and why was it on my wrapped?

@Shori948

Жыл бұрын

@@pinkiebynx6051 That's just how the Wrapped playlist works. They'll put a short video of most of your Top 5 or something Artists thanking you for listening to their song on the playlist.

@pinkiebynx6051

Жыл бұрын

@@Shori948 it makes sense when you put it like that. i just thought it was super weird since i'd never seen it before

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

Жыл бұрын

Click skip and then remove it from your playlist

@BendyDH

Жыл бұрын

I work as a sound guy on shows, concerts, etc and my spotify wrapped is always so fucked up with random songs that I play as background music when I'm at work. I genuinely didn't even recognize 3 of my top 5 most played songs from 2021 lol

I use Apple rather than Spotify, but I genuinely want true random. I do the curation myself, preventing my main playlist having too much of any one artist/genre/mood, because I want to get that mix of everything. I even describe my playlist as 'mood whiplash' because I want it to go straight from up-beat anime theme to classical to death metal to 80's...

I love the way you edit this

I desperately want a “true random” option because every time I shuffle a playlist for the 10th time and it plays in a distinct order to “space things out” better, I can’t help but think “Man, that’s statistically unlikely to happen more than once, right?”

@thewerepyreking

Жыл бұрын

Oh that's a great point, maybe certain songs "fit" better near the top. You've got something here

@annakazama4799

Жыл бұрын

It happens to me too with 3 songs: it's always "Sidewalks" from The Weekend then "Battlefield Classic Theme" from the BF1 soundtrack and then it just gives me "Nobody Told Me About ID" from the original Doom Soundtrack. Idk Spotify thinks I like soundtracks

@annakazama4799

Жыл бұрын

@@thewerepyreking I sure hope my Spotify doesn't think that The Weekend and BF1 Soundtrack and Doom Soundtrack fit well together 🥲🤣 I have weird tastes yes, but like wtf

@Aquatarkus96

2 ай бұрын

I want spotify to see "Hmm this playlist is full of prog rock and 90s techno" and recommend either more of both or music that fills qualities of both. AS of now it seems to get fixated on either or and wont play Tangerine Dream or Genesis if its already shuffling Aphex Twin or FSOL

I think it is based on how many times you've heard the song. I once fell asleep while having a song on repeat the whole night and then the next day. It became my #1 most listened song ever to this day, and even to this day even though that was months ago, whenever i play anything remotely related to that one song, it plays it. it's always among the first 3 songs to appear. it's infuriating.

I definitely notice the same genre/style/mood lumped up together

i don't care about "vibe" or "atmosphere" and i usually struggle a lot with choosing a certain playlist to listen to. i just want ALL of my favourite music in 1 place in a completely truely random order, so that i can decide in the moment if i want to listen to that specific song or not. spotify please make a true random option 😭

@Iheartgus

Жыл бұрын

Fr😭

@teeweezeven

Жыл бұрын

True random means you will hear a song multiple times in a row though

@lelandkinter9785

Жыл бұрын

@@teeweezeven spotify shuffles once into a queue, not each time you play a song. like shuffling a deck of cards, not rolling dice.

@madisonmorris7394

Жыл бұрын

@@teeweezeven could.

@thespankmyfrank

Жыл бұрын

Yessss! I don't really care if the same artist shows up 10 times in a row in true random, as long as it's not just my most listened songs or whatever based off of an algorithm. I want variety!

The shuffle algorithm also fails miserably for very large playlists. It will only do about 200 songs and they actually need to be close to the starting song in the list. I always pick a song way down in the list to start the shuffle. It definitely helps.

@RainebowEvee

Жыл бұрын

That's what I do too! I'll either scroll to a random spot and start the shuffle, or find one song in particular that i want to start with. It does help but there are still a lot of songs that i realize rarely ever come up...

@DeadGirlsPoem

Жыл бұрын

I do this too. But most of the time it only helps for a few songs before the "shuffle" falls back into old habits.

@riddiculedridlersgirlfrien5671

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could but I won’t pay for Spotify premium no matter how inconvenient the app is without it

Thank you for making this! Personally I have started playing playlists by song title or by date added for this exact reason. My biggest playlist has 7700 songs and i definitely only hear maybe the same 100-200 songs on a regular basis.

this is the only reason I use KZread Music. If I shuffle the playlist, it literally shuffles the playlist. And I can reshuffle it at any time, just by hitting a button

Honestly this makes me wonder if some bigger artists have deals with Spotify to promote their music more, and one way Spotify does this would be through having them come up more on shuffling.

@pansexualdickhaver6878

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly how placements work

@soph13s

Жыл бұрын

that's definitely true on the playlists Spotify makes themselves as far as I can tell, not sure if the same thing applies to playlists users make

@pansexualdickhaver6878

Жыл бұрын

@@soph13s same thing applies. I promise if your playlist has a good number of listeners, there’s folks paying to be there haha

@filelps1178

Жыл бұрын

yeah pretty sure people like harry styles were known for this.

@chie5747

Жыл бұрын

I think it's still illegal for radio stations to do, but there probanly isn't a law against it for streaming.

2014 was 13 years ago had me almost in tears. I didn’t quick math quickly enough and was like “damn wow” at first.

@Tiusity

9 ай бұрын

I think it was actually around 8 years ago

@raineatscheese

9 ай бұрын

@@Tiusity yeah, they know

@dezzy1299

8 ай бұрын

I knew it was wrong because I’m 13 and I was born in 2009 and was well alive in 2014 😂

@kellapeer

8 ай бұрын

I was like…. 14->2023 🤨 that’s 9 😂

@gabrielleputz312

8 ай бұрын

even if this was by accident it’s so ironic that she‘s praising her math skills but then makes a simple mistake 😂😭

i like your type of humor lady, please continue

I'm the kind of guy that like you, want the how, but I'm not willing to spend my time researching it, so Thank you for do the effort to make a whole video about this.

Some keywords mentioned in this video, and the amount of times such was mentioned. "Playlist": 41 times "Shuffle": 41 times "Random": 39 times "Algorithm":34 times "Spotify": 32 times "Queue": 16 times "Truly": 12 times "True": 12 times (How I did it: Open Transcript > Copy + Paste into Notepad++ > Go to "Find" > Enter keyword > Press "Count")

@zaydin1897

Жыл бұрын

The true engineer

@hekard7903

Жыл бұрын

Meet the Engineer 🔧

@backyy07

Жыл бұрын

*what he said

@_UglyBarnacle

Жыл бұрын

a human algorithm

@krisj2656

Жыл бұрын

Nerd

I had made an over 5000 song playlist on my spotify account, and I think over the course of six months I heard the same 50-100 songs over and over. Most of the time it'd just play the first 3 songs. I even would scroll down and pick a song I hadn't heard in a while, then press shuffle. The damn thing would circle back to a song I had heard the last time I played it. I gave up on that dream of having an extensive,exhaustive list of my favorite songs to hear at any time, it actually killed my enthusiasm for certain songs because I had heard them so much. Thankfully the "New Discoveries for Me" playlist is pretty good at giving me something I've never heard and want to add to my liked list, but I'm still bummed that I can't just take a top [insert an extreme number of songs] and slowly weed out songs I am rarely in the mood for, because the algorithm seems to favor my most listened to, which is typically the first 10-30 songs on the list, but only because it picked them in the first place. It's like a feedback loop, Spotify regards my top 10 as my top 10 because they happened to be the first songs I picked, but even as I'm expanding my tracklist it loops back to those because, unless I start listening to a song on repeat over a hundred times(which after that I'm kinda done listening to it for a while), it'll just keep looping back to my most listened.

@nonabonn

Жыл бұрын

Exactly !! My Spotify wrapped is always completely wrong because it counts the songs it plays on shuffle! I don't even like the songs om my wrapped any more!

@TheRealRedHood

Жыл бұрын

I think it's so they can sell subs. You can only skip a couple of songs until you're bombarded with ads. So to get the best experience you think you gotta pay and Spotify isn't going to refuse money.

@biggrayalien4791

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealRedHood That's possible, but I also have Premium and it still does this stuff, it's not like they use different algorithms for free and premium members, the only difference is that you don't get ads.

@TheRealRedHood

Жыл бұрын

@@biggrayalien4791 They don't. And that's ultimately what it. We pay for a service that could be provided for no extra charge. I also pay for KZread premium all to get rid of ads. The internet really is cable at this point.

@jsdp

Жыл бұрын

I switched from apple music to Spotify about a year ago and I have had so many annoyances with Spotify. There is no way to shuffle all 'downloaded' songs, no way to shuffle the albums section and have it play albums through, no more songs tab where you can see a long list of all the songs you have saved to your library but not necessarily 'liked', and the shuffle has always been horrible. Really off-putting in terms of listening to a bunch of old music! I had 12000 songs on my apple music account saved and I just find it a pain to add songs at a similar rate on Spotify because there is no way to keep them in storage. You have to add them to a playlist and never hear the majority of them and it is very annoying. I used to think this was just a case of me being unable to adapt to the new platform but after a year and a bit I feel like my grievances have a warranted cause.

What we really want is remove the other shuffle, the one that adds more songs. Replace it with: a truly random shuffle, and an improved shuffle that doesn't always show you the same 20 songs but isn't totally random

I wish Spotify had an option where you could choose songs you want it to prioritize. I feel like I never hear some of my favorite songs that I wouldn't mind listening to a few times in a day.

I used to have a MP3 player that was truly random to the point where you could actually get the same song twice in a row. One neat thing that it also did was if you listened to Song A followed by Song B went back to Song A, the next Song wouldn't be Song B again it would be completely random.

@weaknessua

Жыл бұрын

Me too! It was on my oldest phone phone though, I can't find it anymore :(

@severelymisprinted4119

Жыл бұрын

Same!! I noticed as a kid that the cheaper MP3 players would actually shuffle like that where as the name brand and more expensive ones wouldn't.

@Alphoric

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had that way too many times on Spotify even thrice in a row before

@rebelsleighter

Жыл бұрын

dude i love my mp3 player its just slow asf

@TachyBunker

Жыл бұрын

Yay. Get AIMP, guys, best one out there.

You know what I really want? I want my least listened to songs to play first and my most skipped songs to play last. I also want true random.

@pepearown4968

Жыл бұрын

I can see why that can get really annoying without Premium. There was a song from an album that just didn’t play at all when I was shuffling it in a playlist for like a month.

Just from the title, I am so glad someone is finally talking about this. I have a 60 hour playlist of the most eclectic mix of music, and it always seems to enjoy playing the same 20 songs every time I open it (mixed in with a few random others... which are all the same genre or artists :P). Time to find out why!

That Monterey Bay Aquarium jellyfish livecam you zoomed in on at 7:56 is one of my favorite things on KZread 😂 Its very chill and kinda psychedelic-looking with relaxing music. I like to put it on in the background sometimes like a lava lamp with tunes. It might seem like a random rec, but i personally love it 😆

There is definitely something in the code to pick "bigger" artists more often than smaller artists. I have to remove certain artists entirely when I start new playlists, so I can actually hear the smaller artists in my 6 hours of listening at work. It sucks, because if I want to hear a bigger name's song, I have to add it to the queue myself, then take it out, so it'll hit a smaller artist and not circle around the bigger artist, over and over.

@BramLastname

Жыл бұрын

Based on their other autogenerated playlists, It's likely taking into account that certain artists have a lot of audience overlap. The more people that listen to an artist, the more people that'll also listen to other artists, Thus the algorithm might genuinely be selecting artists randomly, But have the odds skewed in favour of the popular artists as a byproduct of optimisation.

@TheRussianhippie

Жыл бұрын

same, I used to love imagine dragons but I had to scrub them from my liked songs because the 6 songs I had from them in the list came up like 2 or 3 times every time I'd drive to work. in my playlist of 1200 songs :/ I just got sick of hearing them.

Not quite the same thing, but I have a story. I got really sick of one of my playlists because I kept hearing the same songs over and over. Goodbye by Bo Burnham came on, I was out of skips, I REALLY didn’t feel like listening to that song again, so I switched to a different playlist. Goodbye is the only song those two playlists had in common. Guess what the first song when I hit shuffle on the second playlist was.

@TheNumber1Idiot

4 ай бұрын

BROOO THAT WOULD SUCK

@SolaceMcfly

3 ай бұрын

out of skips? i don't use spotify but that sounds insanely dumb to limit the amount of skips

@lacrossestick132

3 ай бұрын

@@SolaceMcfly yeah you need premium to get unlimited skips, it sucks

@yurisei6732

2 ай бұрын

What absolute fucking genius came up with the idea of "out of skips"?

@ziikay

2 ай бұрын

@@yurisei6732the genius who wants your money. everyone should just buy the songs and listen to them on a music player like god intended.

Yeah I guess you're right, the way you explain the algorithm around 13:00, fits my experience pretty well

This is the best ad for a little gadget I've ever seen, congrats, I want one now XD

The non-random random isn't really my biggest gripe about it at the moment though. I'm more frustrated with it replaying the last 20 shuffled songs in exact order all the time even though my playlist is 1100 songs long. I'll be elbows deep in a car at work and all of a sudden I'm like "I just heard these same 3 songs play in that order like 45 minutes ago" and it pisses me off cause then I gotta take out my phone and restart and reshuffle the playlist hoping it'll play normally instead of repeating again. And sometimes when I start playing on my bluetooth speaker after playing on my car or something it'll start playing some new playlist "Based on (insert last played song here)" even though the playlist I had on was nowhere near finished. Just let me truly randomize my playlist and listen to it end to end please, Spotify. It's literally the easiest option for you to code for me and yet you won't let me have it

@sarahmorris4575

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!! That stuff annoys me SO much istg

@TheAwesomes2104

Жыл бұрын

Yep, my playlist is almost 1,900 songs, and the same thing happens. The same 20 in the same order day in and day out, and then I move from the car to the house and my echos play one song I was listening to, then a song I don't like and know isn't on my playlist, only for me to find it's opened a completely different playlist that I didn't ask for or want. It sucks so bad, especially because I like older music, so while 90% of my playlist is older than me, I get 75% new pop and rap when it's only a very small portion of what I listen to. Like, Spotify, just let me listen to Black Sabbath and Chopin. Playing Doja Cat to me every day every 5 minutes is NOT going to make me download more new music, it's just not.

@GuitarSlayer136

Жыл бұрын

So your telling me you want the shuffle button to shuffle your playlist into a unique order that you've never heard before? Fucking loonatic over here. Someone call the mental ward.

@arielpennertz

Жыл бұрын

You can go into settings and turn off the setting that turns on another random playlist

@TekuTaurus

Жыл бұрын

@@arielpennertz but that's not my big problem. The problem is that it restarts the SAME playlist like 30 songs in and will just loop it until I change to another playlist

Perhaps a solution is simply to have a feature that allows you to sort a playlist starting with the song you haven't heard the longest.

@lolnyny

Жыл бұрын

honestly I think we all have our prefences but that, that would be my ideal.

@GuitarSlayer136

Жыл бұрын

Or, hear me out. When I tell the program to randomise a list of songs, it does what I just said instead of something completely fucking different that noone asked for. As a programmer, this problem makes me want to punch some peers.

@sophiathefurbst

Жыл бұрын

@@lolnynyit’d be kinda cool if you could go into settings and change what the shuffle button does for you?

@allyrose6437

Жыл бұрын

@@sophiathefurbst THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION

@Alphoric

Жыл бұрын

Search small words like to and shuffle

The algorithm brought me your channe, good job Algo!

This video is a year old and I still have this issue. It’s to the point I have to go out of my way and play songs it avoids. It tends to help rotate the repeats, but then I have new repeats 😭

they should just give you the option to shuffle algorithmically or truly randomly. the way it works currently they're basically just turning it into a radio station. i appreciate that things will sound good together in the shuffle but sometimes i just wanna hear today's pop music next to oingo boingo because it's funny.

As a musician, I think the algorithm is also based on the *key* and the *bpm* of each song and that's why most times you'll get a song that is in the same key or as close to this key from the circle of fifths.

@dominikweber4305

Жыл бұрын

Daaamn, never thought about it that way

@iliaslef

Жыл бұрын

@@dominikweber4305 I was actually searching and asking on Reddit if anyone else has noticed that but from my experience it's too often to consider it random in a big playlist with 100+ songs.

@louloudaki_

Жыл бұрын

i didn’t even think about that but now that i look back i think you’re right! harder for me to test this cause i don’t have spotify and my gf and i just listen to her playlists in her car

@pharmannie

Жыл бұрын

I noticed something similar when playing my favourites playlist, I have a bunch of everything in there yet the songs seemed to match each other very well and flew naturally, key-wise and bpm-wise

@citizeninsane8518

Жыл бұрын

Ain't some keys more popular than others? I imagine this could push songs in or near less popular keys further down.

Your ideia is great, I hope they implement it some day

Funny how this video popped up in my recommendation like 5 times but i only watch it when another one popped in but im already interested in this specific one. So, in a way, algorithm brought me here, made me interested in this specific video, to the point where I was on the edge to find this on my own.

There is an option in Spotify called “auto-mix” which will shuffle songs based on genre, bpm, etc. Disabling this option makes it more “random”

@Necromediancer

Жыл бұрын

Huh, always passes that without thinking. It does say "select playlists" so is it even every playlist that's affected when it's on?

@an_gigy

Жыл бұрын

Where is that option? 👀

@therealthinker9464

Жыл бұрын

Where is that option?

@TwoBs

Жыл бұрын

That option isn’t auto-mixing in the sense of mixing up a playlist, it’s auto-mixing for a fade out for each song so nothing ends abruptly and starts. It creates a smooth transition for a better listening experience … it explains it right under the option in settings lol. That’s all it does.

@GJSBRT

Жыл бұрын

@@TwoBs Yes, but it also does this by using songs with a similar tempo, so that you don't suddenly get a high tempo song after a slower one.

I would much prefer a true random shuffle. I understand that means I could get multiple songs by the same artist in a row, but my issue with the shuffle isn’t artist clusters, it’s always seeing the same songs. I like making playlist that are 300-500 songs long and when I start it I’ll shuffle it and look at the queue. If I’m not vibing with the upcoming songs I’ll keep shuffling until I do. Only problem is that it always shows the same songs. I remember reading a while ago about Spotify’s shuffle that for large playlists it doesn’t actually shuffle the entire playlist, but splits it up into groups of 50, so when you’re reshuffling over and over all you’re really doing is shuffling 50 songs and not 500

@glorialastra5775

11 ай бұрын

i think me too, i have all of coldplay’s albums in my liked library, i feel like they’re def the artist i have more music of, and the other day as i was playing my likes on shuffle, a coldplay song played, i realized i hadn’t hear a single one in like 4 months

Sometimes, if you listened to your liked songs, the something else and come back to liked songs it will play the exact same order again.

This one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on YT. 👏🏽

I wish they made a true shuffle again. I don't always care so much if one artist has a few songs in a row. Sometimes it might even be nice

@onemillionpercent

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@deusdamnit

Жыл бұрын

Nobody actually wants true random. They just want variety; neither the current algorithm or true random will accomplish the variety people actually want.

@se6369

Жыл бұрын

@@deusdamnit Don't tell others what they want or not. As long as each song isn't repeated, random is fine

@awesomedavid2012

Жыл бұрын

@@se6369 what matters above all is that the shuffle is different each time and that usually isn't the case for Spotify or YTM

I used to be a math teacher, and specifically used to teach AP Stats, and we talked a lot about true randomness and our perception of random or not... This video makes me SO GOD DAMN HAPPY

@ghosteii

Жыл бұрын

Just wanna say ur so pretty

@monicagonzalez6047

Жыл бұрын

I’m in ap stats and the discussion of randomness is actually so interesting

@theshire9173

Жыл бұрын

Except for the coin example. You’re much more likely to have different permutations of equal heads and tails than only heads

it’s even worse when you can’t afford spotify premium so i have to deal with the same 5 songs over and over again😫

So I just discovered you and your great videos a day ago. You have forever gained my loyalty with the mention of Online Songs by blink-182! You are supremely funny and talented!

As a programmer a solution I thought of was keeping track of the order of songs like a weighted system. Songs in the top 10 should get high weights on the first shuffle, the second shuffle should check what songs had higher weights and move them down while smaller weights get moved up, tracking which songs were already listened to or appeared before in the first shuffle. This could be reset at some point. To me, that should make buried tracks rise up on the second shuffle if Spotify deliberately recommends popular or recently added songs.

@_mako

Жыл бұрын

thats the most obvious solution and im honestly surprised that it doesnt work like that already when the main complaint about true random was getting the same songs over and over again. they literally did not fix the issue lol

@realmothchu

Жыл бұрын

funny how the comment above said the exact same thing on far fewer word in a much simpler way lol

@fernandossmm

Жыл бұрын

If I understood correctly, you're talking about reshuffling the same playlist more than once. But usually, you don't do that you just shuffle once and skip songs. If you reshuffle after listening for a bit you may get the same song again which is very annoying. Your solution doesn't seem to work well for one-time shuffle

@ea_naseer

Жыл бұрын

LRU data structure plus weighted system

@jzdude01

Жыл бұрын

@@_mako no the main complaint with true random was that people kept noticing patterns to the songs being played (that weren’t actually there) bc that’s how our brains work. The “idea” of the algorithm is to have the songs play in a pattern not initiative to us so that it feels more random than true random. Whether the succeeded or not is up debatable.

This vid and the comments are EXACTLY as vindicating as I needed lol. Spotify's shuffle drove me crazy on my 2 hour commute. On a playlist with a hundred artists, I want my fav band to only play occasionally as a treat, but it was obsessed with giving me the same 10 songs from them. also joke's on me for thinking the Trolls song I added would show up rarely as a fun surprise. that shit was nearly EVERY day. it was ridiculous

And this is why I listen to music on KZread. 1: While there are ads, most are skippable. 2: The shuffle isn't broken. 3: I'm more familiar with KZread and have used it for almost my whole life. 4: You can skip songs as much as you want without getting the premium version.

Today I learned about the Orba, and it blew my mind. 10/10 video

I feel so vindicated, I always had a feeling the shuffle feature wasn’t quite as random as it claimed. From my experience it seems to play songs from a mix of both overall popularity and how much it thinks you like said song, creating a vicious cycle as mentioned in the video. I haven’t done any real experimenting, this is just based off of a hunch from someone who uses shuffle a lot

@taylahcooper8174

Жыл бұрын

I swear it plays my songs in the same kind of order when I shuffle the same playlist.