You guys are 100% right. I should not have said that Dom looked like the baby of AIDS and heroin. This was totally out of line. And for that, I sincerely apolgize to AIDS and heroin for the uncalled for comparison.

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

😮🐗🍷🇩🇪💡🐠😉👿💰😊

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

Good points 💡😊🐗 There are more ways to Rome But ingame I think the view of Dom is the best one Just because you can execute what you sim Esp when you play a lot of tables at the same time We are still humans and not bots

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

Klaus Schwab will make bots of us with the "vaccines", so evt you are right 😂🐗😮

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom you takking to me? 😂🐗

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom Well, his WW2 shit on you was way too much. Better use that for the plandemic. Love you, Dom 😊🐗👊🐠

One way to settle this.... a 10 million hand HU battle between the two softwares.

@bluefatrat

3 жыл бұрын

Think that misses Dom's point though, don't think Dom thinks his software would win, he thinks players who use his software will beat players who use GTOx

I think the proper way to use a solver is repetition toward duplication. If you are seeing flops and can identify a common or widely-used GTO strategy you're doing well. You can always adjust your bet sizing in game to account for things like player tendencies, but the true crux of this is to start thinking like a solver. To do that you don't need 4 bet sizes. And, since you are not a solver, simplification leads to better retention.

12:36 SHOTS FIRED!! 😂 ... love the content. Admittedly I spend most of this nodding in agreement saying things like...mmmyess..quite right....now time to tilt punt 300bb to the fish micros. Where I belong.

How can people be so upset about the needling of FE? It’s beef and it’s part of content creation. I would rather see a video from Dom explaining his POV in depth than having his fans cry about the jokes made in this video...

that "his ancestors would have been proud"-comment was pretty low imo...

@crackdav1d

2 жыл бұрын

it was great, hans.

I respect you and love the content. Likewise, I also respect Dom. I watched some videos of Dom and broke it down psychologically. However, I'm not going to post my thoughts on a public forum like this or anywhere for that matter.

You are my hero...

I played with Dom a few years ago on a couple of occasions. On one occasion he punted his stack, and abused a rec. On the second occasion he got unlucky and abused an elderly gentleman. So his actions aren’t particularly surprising. He’s not particularly well liked in the poker community i’ve been told.

Yes, more sizes - please add some flop overbets and small block bets to the GTOx solutions.

Players playing different trees is very interesting subject. I'm not sure why but cutting betting size from tree can be +EV (saw it myself when tried simplify strategy). My guess is solver starting from all sizes with equal probabilities sometimes can't find optimum lying somewhere far from starting spot.

@andreasp8303

3 жыл бұрын

No that can never be the case. only reason can be that the sim didnt run long enough. limiting options will always lose ev (at best lose 0 ev) but can never increase ev

I need to simplify this as well - therefore: Popcorn anybody? 🍿 🍿

I've been watching a few of your videos tonight and I've enjoyed them. I have one question about a statement @13:41: You show that (in this example) bucketing gutshots into a 100% pot size bet results in the highest EV. Does the bucketing system of GTOx ensure that your 100% pot size bucket will also contain a sufficient number of other hands that are value in addition to bluffs? Or perhaps it doesn't matter because these buckets will contain different types of hands across different flops so that no one will be able to notice when buckets are bluff or value-heavy?

listen carefully 19:49 DOMinated

how is this even worth arguing lol... that guy's a donk

@satiic

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom Und du treibst dich auf seinen youtube videos rum und bist getriggert von so einem kommentar. Genauso beschissen

@satiic

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom Keine Ahnung Dom. Aber das Verhalten auf beiden Seiten wirkt mehr als kindisch. Außerdem seh ich persönlich keine erhöhte Relation zwischen Erfolg an den Tischen und dem Produkt. Egal ob bei dir oder ihm. Das eine verlangt Poker zu studieren, während das andere eher ein Mathematik/ Informatik Studium als gute Grundlage vorraussetzt. Letztlich seh ich hier auch gar nicht wieso man in eine solche Shitshow abdriften muss. Die Videos und offensichtlich auch sein Produkt sind meinem Verständnis nach mehr Fantasie und "was wäre wenn". Die Umsetzbarkeit von der Menge an Sizings und Tendencies (zumindest für einen Menschen) ist doch offensichtlich mehr als fraglich. Wenn einer es trotzdem kauft Pech gehabt.

@superpasi7315

3 жыл бұрын

@@satiic Dominik guckt FE's videos um noch was dazu zu lernen ;)

running sims is not eco friendly

Can GTOx solve short-deck hands?

12:34 holy shit, brutal, lmfaooo

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, keep WW2 out

@jamesevans2507

3 жыл бұрын

@@pault3164 No that was based af

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesevans2507 Better compare the plandemic with WW2

@sesloajit5185

3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna go with childish and reprehensible

@Spinaczq69

3 жыл бұрын

@@sesloajit5185 All this hard work in this video for nth.. idd still a kid.

Takeaway from this vid: don’t start beef with finding EQ🤣

Actual Plot Twist : Dom supports this idea as it allows him & his close ones to exploit the very strategy DTO indicates

This is a marketing disaster for both parts.

@andrewfraancis

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, even Doug coming back is burying the hatchet with Daniel etc and this whole overly combative thing over something that really isn’t that important is embarrassing for both parties

Nice video. But have to admit that quite alot of hs players is simplifying their strategy on the flop and still having a great success with it.

came here for the always top notch content and stayed for the Poker drama

Oh no he dih-ent!! *finger snap* 🍿🍿

@krissavagelive

3 жыл бұрын

mmm-hmmm 😂

i cant take anyone that uses the v for vendetta dude as an avatar seriously

@michealjaymurphy

3 жыл бұрын

This guy is stuck in 90s

Dude, chill

Both are good valid training tools but DTO is more applicable to pull off in game for the vast majority of players. People mixing a bunch of different sizings are simply going to massively mess up the strategy they're trying to implement. Obviously both sides are biased but I'd be quicker to take Doms side who is an elite mtt player, than a nameless faceless voice with no proven track record. Not dissing the product though both are fine but.. less sizings are better unless you're a top of the food chain type player with a bunch of time to study.

Propaganda that Dom's ancestors would be proud of? 12:28 That crosses the line man! Shame of you!

@sebastianbrinez4315

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha that's what I loved the most

@fr4171

3 жыл бұрын

i'm german and i laughed my ass off

Did you slow down that SIMP..LIFYING word ;-)

I think all of this flame came from the fact that Dom steamed heavily cause you pointed to the fact that in your opinion preflop ranges are RTA right in the moment that Nitzche was banned(?) from GG. In the other case if he did it just to throw sh*t on your business beacuse of jeaulousy or to promote his product then that would be extremely awfull. We all know steaming brings to bad decisions anyway

Wooooah!

First minutes of this video really show what a great human being you are

@perkele48

3 жыл бұрын

without getting into personal drama shit, I strongly disagree about product quality. DTO is inferior to GTOx and has nothing to offer that you cant achieve with any other GTO trainer analogue. Even dropping quality of solves issue, variety and ergonomics of research instruments is unique on the market.

@perkele48

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom if you want to deny obvious...sure

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom Boar will be the judge 😊🐗 Let me first finish the whole video and think deeply about it. Anyway, ty for helping me with the Pio sims, Dom!

@MikeTython369

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom I've went from a 70 ability rating on sharkscope to an 88ab on site I play on the most the last year from investing in a handful of lower priced training resources and free KZread content along with another cheaper and better GTO training/check app that no one seems to know about and personally think DTO is way over priced and looks like trash and leaves a lot to be desired for the price. And above all else going on twitch and seeing all the DTO shills you have trying to hype it up is just annoying and pathetic imo. But that's just my random no one opinion which probably won't matter to a big wig like you.

@superpasi7315

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeTython369 Bro what’s the cheap GTO Trainer you talking about? Always looking for quality and affordable training tools

If you are using multiple sizings to explore the best option in various flop textures and turn/river transition, yes you should use as many bet sizings as your resources permit. BUT massaging your supposedly more 'robust' game tree to implementable strategy would be nontrivial and computationally expensive if you try to verify your simplification with resolving. Obviously raw strategy with more options will gain more or equal amount of EV compared with 'simpler' tree but without showing how your simplified/implementable strategy fair against your competitor's suggestions, your polemics lose some validity. Also HU for souls when???

@gregtiller3569

2 жыл бұрын

Many big words

@ghostyff9183

2 жыл бұрын

Weird that that this very unnecessaryily convoluted comment was made by a fairly new account at the time of posting, just saying. 🤔

Finding Equilibrium > DTO

I don’t get why anyone is complaining. Simps got raped here, plain and simple.

If Dom wants to say FE is total fraud, at least he should bring some robust data and math just like FE does here rather than just saying 'TRUE' pro poker players not using GTOx.

nice

Haha DN is a beast I dont know who to trust!!

@Monojoe

3 жыл бұрын

@Ty On Tilt Lol! True

@Monojoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom I didnt know he was losing. I just figure GTO cant be wrong.

@randomnamemab

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom look this guy is certainly a winning player at some stakes. Could he compete with the big boys like Dom tho? Probably not

@randomnamemab

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom can you explain in detail abit? I like his idea of ev regret, it made me realize how important watching your ev is over what is just optimal.

@randomnamemab

3 жыл бұрын

@@DTO_Dom but I do think someone who spends time trying to sell a poker product is not a real player in general.

OMG Dom vs a 5/5 commerce grinder please let this match happen so I can double my nut betting on Dom lol.

bang bang

Shots fired!

ancestors , hahaha !

attacking someones appearance is the nut low. anything you bring up after that cant be taken serious anymore

@superpasi7315

3 жыл бұрын

so the math and facts he presents are wrong because he and dom dislike each other? ok then..

@andreasp8303

3 жыл бұрын

​@@superpasi7315 if you had received a minimum of education, you would not be asking this question..

@andreasp8303

3 жыл бұрын

@@superpasi7315 In case you didnt understand that: equating "disliking" and attacking someones appearence is very fucking dumb

@superpasi7315

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreasp8303 Dominik Nitsche and his platform DTO have been attacking FE for no apparent reason other than trying to smear his solver and reputation for months on end so I say this is fair game. This is karma in a nutshell you reap what you sow.

@andreasp8303

3 жыл бұрын

​@@superpasi7315 meh..

Kanu solved flop for like 10 sizes, was a top 3-5 player for ages. He probably had this shit before Pio and stuff came out. Highly accomplished poker players also like to solve for multiple sizes not just FE.

@crabluva

3 жыл бұрын

You know what happened to Kanu right?

@michealjaymurphy

3 жыл бұрын

@@crabluva he retired?

@mladzor3340

3 жыл бұрын

​@@crabluva Haha I did see him get crushed by Baron at the end... But nevertheless still one of the best?

Robust game tree --> simply execution. This is a flawed logic. Range composition of various bet sizes has an impact on future streets. You can't possibly understand what each range is composed of when you have more than 2 sizings. You also need to understand the response to each size and how to play against that response. You see just on the flop the decision points explode. Also, another flaw that I see in your thought process is that GTO play is always maxEV play or +EV. That's not true in a lot of situations. It always depends on the response. Yea understand that you gain EV from other parts of the range but that again depends which bet size is imbalanced.And knowing how it's being played in theory doesn't generate EV. It's the execution. That's what generates EV. So, there are 2 majors flaws in your approach: 1. Your approach makes execution a shot in the dark and takes way too much mental energy on the table and is detrimental to play. 2. Outputs are a function on inputs. No matter how great your model is. Garbage input garbage output. Speaking purely from a neutral standpoint and not knowing about the spat between the involved parties. Anything more than 2 sizes is a waste of time and impractical.

i like your videos and the information in this is so good, wish you didn't detract from it by saying he looks like a drug addict/person with aids ???

@shanejett3550

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. He has humorously mocked and mildly insulted players like Phil Hellmuth before BUT it was never extremely personal and emotionally charged attacks like this vid. First vid on FE channel I have disliked!

Doug Polk doesn’t even do this attacking each other thing anymore probably because it’s bad for business. Not sure why both of you are arguing over multiple bet sizes in a solve it all just comes across as a bit absurd to me from both sides 🤷🏼‍♂️ Spamming with fake accounts is a bad look but so is insulting someone by their looks. Both of you are acting like 10 year olds.

I liked the videos and analysis you usually put out and the light jokes you had used before. These "jokes" were different. Even taking Dominic's criticism of GTOx into consideration, I think the comments about "AIDs + Heroin baby", Dominics appearance, and allusions to Nazi Germany were out of line, very child-like, and immature. I was expecting a well-thought out and displayed criticism of DTO with a few light jabs as usual. I almost couldn't believe this was the creator of the same channel I had tuned into religiously everytime I got a notification. This video felt as if you were trying to imitate Doug Polk's and Daniel Negreanu's "beef videos" but turned up the dial to overdrive and completely overshot the borders of professionalism. Because of this, I believe an apology is in order to Dominic's person while you can retain your position on GTOx vs DTO. @Finding Equilibrium You may read this comment and think how easily ignorable an anonymous subscriber's comment on this matter is, but I really do want to see your channel and product succeed and want to suggest what I believe is a better way to present your creations. Until next video, Carson White

Horrible taste "jokes" on your part, otherwise well made video

😊🐗

I usually like your videos a lot, but using personal attacks is just bad.

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

Who has started?

@andreasp8303

3 жыл бұрын

@@pault3164 pretty sure Dominik never attacked the appearance of the gtox guy or even got personal in any way. "who started?" is what a 11 year old would ask

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreasp8303 Prove both

@ludviglindstrom2064

3 жыл бұрын

@@pault3164 Does it matter who started it? I thought we were mature enough to not reach this low.

@pault3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@ludviglindstrom2064 Some mature people can and will be this way from time to time I guess

you're in your feels too much. your arguments should stand on their own, the name-calling is juvenile and makes me lose some respect.

When people have a lack of arguments they get personal. Poor video!