Great podcast yo! Nobody asked for it, but here are my thoughts about the matter, written as I watch the video. You touched on some stuff I wrote after I wrote it, so I'm just leaving it be. I think it's valid for you to say that not going to university afforded you better opportunity to grow as a person and gain authentic real-life experience, but I also think it varies so dramatically from person to person that giving advice on the matter is tough to do. A lot of that growth and experience in early adulthood comes from a disruption of the familiar high school routine and dependency on your parents. In other words, it's more about getting out of the house and being more independent - and that can happen just as well to someone that goes to university versus someone that travels or directs their energy into a gainful creative pursuit. The university environment exposes you to so many people with unique personalities and experiences, while still giving you the option to meter your involvement with uncomfortable, new settings. You can try any number of new activities, or you can just collect a group of like-minded people and share common ground with them. I think the value in personal development that you can get out of university is really up to you. When I hear someone say "the real world", it feels like a minimization and generalization of the experiences people face attending university. That being said, it is definitely an expensive adventure. If it didn't come with a paper receipt that you can show off to potential employers, it would be a monumental waste of money. I also think that despite the unique people you come across while pursuing a degree, college graduates tend to have a more insular mindset than someone that has the opportunity to see other parts of the world. University students still belong to a more focused demographic than the general population, which is something many students don't realize while they're there. Something like 30% of people in the US have degrees, and a fraction of that number are actively enrolled in college. And even in that group of people, the majority of them are US-born, native English speakers with little or no interaction outside their country of origin. A lot can be said about the devaluing of the college degree, especially when considering the rising cost of attaining one. In many professions, a degree is a requirement or extremely advantageous, but I don't think a discussion like this is meant for those people. I think it is meant for the people who want to go to school for English, despite not gaining any advantage in publishability by the end of it. College is not right for everyone, and there is too much of a push towards it these days. I had LITERALLY no idea what I wanted to do for a career before university, and yet I made a semi-permanent choice right off the bat. I think it's ridiculous to assume that of high school students, and that taking time off school before making an informed decision to return should be celebrated more. I still think college was right for me, but I also believe I can still attain a level of worldly adventure in the future. It doesn't necessarily have to an either/or choice. Based on my own priorities in life, it makes sense for me to work off my debts and save some money to travel, and then return to an environment where I have an arsenal of technical skills that put me back in the workforce. I think people too often fall into a trap of telling themselves they will travel "later" or when they "have more money" etc., but every year you decide to hold off is a year you made the choice to stay put. I get that money is tight for a lot of people, and security is important, I just hope I realize my goals and follow through on my intentions of taking time to travel between work in the near future. Another thing that I appreciate about college is it gives people a reason to continue learning. For many people, they just stop learning if they don't have a structure for it like school or upward career movement. And I value learning not just for myself, but because education is so good at raising people above the circumstances of their upbringing. Anyways, those are my thoughts. Glad y'all are doing well and staying safe. Keep up the engaging content!