It feels _weird_ for someone with a huge pile of weapons all over him to have _kicks_ be two of his strongest attacks.

@TheyCallMeIce

9 ай бұрын

This comment can be said about a BUNCH of characters. Including, but (probably) not limited to, Snake, Inkling, and King K. Rool. Makes me think about how Nintendo screwed over most of the Smash Bros characters.

@karmine3640

9 ай бұрын

@@TheyCallMeIceIt’s like they can’t make a character design without having them be broken so they just add in the most basic punch/kick form of attacks

@SourMech

6 ай бұрын

But like think about it tho, he carries ALL his weapons at all times; he's like Rock with the weights.

"He just doesn't have the speed to maximize the potential of his otherwise deadly offensive tools" just like that you've just summed up the biggest problem with link throughout the entire series. Poor guy just can't get a break

@GacLosen6556

Жыл бұрын

As a Link main since the 64, I feel this.

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

Can't Nintendo just ya know, up his speed? They've actually made him slower when they buffed his power.... in a game where speed dominates, so they effectively nerfed him. I hated when they gave him the new slow jumping dash attack. It is essentially now more of a finisher for setups only.

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

if link was fast, he can follow up after back air at high percent and do up air bruh, WHY IS HE SO SLOW 😂

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

@@lonewander6772 I hate it as well, also his new bomb is cool but is even slower gameplay, his boomerang is only fast in 64, this ultimate version of link can't even juggle like melee too

@andrewyounan7703

Жыл бұрын

​@@lonewander6772 his dash attack is so painfully bad it causes me pain when i mis-input and use it

I honestly feel like there's a lot of untapped potential with Link. Similar to how Corrin and Byleth were long thought to not be anything above mid tier until Leo came along. I feel like Link just needs that special someone who can use him to his absolute best. Sad to say that we'll probably never see it because everyone and their mother is on the FP2 P2W train.

@gatolf2

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Even smash 4 link was considered low tier until T started beating top players with him. Ultimate link has one of the best nairs in the game. Remote bomb is stupid good. It’s good for ledge traps/ guards, pressure and the z drop stuff is broken in the right hands. His sword is just enough range for the frame data to not be that much of an issue. It also does a ton of damage. Link has no issues getting kills either.

@Nyagi.

Жыл бұрын

nah corrin is still mid

@Fakeout013

Жыл бұрын

Sillintor's Link does things my brain can't even begin to comprehend.

@BennettRDavis

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like link could be an upper tier character, maybe even best link, but the ceiling is so high that no one has really tried. I’ve been mailing link for about 6 months and still have trouble bomb recovering.

@Snoozher_

Жыл бұрын

I think this is absolutely true, however, I think Link at top tier is very complicated, having to learn things like bomb tech and how to use the bomb for your advantage and neutral states (beyond just throwing it and blowing it up.) I think seeing people like T, Stillintor, and IzAw make him look very good, but he is still very slow. I think ultimately the state of the game he is simply, “not worth” learning when he is as complicated as characters like ZSS and Shulk (they have a confusing/difficult gimmick but thats just one thing, kick flip and monado arts) but just isn’t as good as them. I would love to see a top tier Link destroy the scene.

The skill ceiling for bomb is almost infinite. However I have seen more links die to trying to be funny with their bomb than I have ever been inconvenienced by it. Truly, the duality of Link.

@MilkT0ast

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. The bomb potential is ludicrous. But every link i fight ends up killong themselves more than not.

@mercury2157

10 ай бұрын

​@@MilkT0astthe only times I've ever killed myself are when attempting a panic recovery or when my right stick decided to read forward instead of downward when I tried to throw and detonate it immediately

@AnenLaylle7023

6 ай бұрын

Nope. The focus on Link being on bomb is why these tournie Links get nowhere. You need to rarely use bomb like T and focus your game on boomerang and spamming nair.

@siennas254

Ай бұрын

I spent so long getting okay at doing the nair and fair bomb loops becuase they're based that I realized I only played link as rushdown and had zero patience anymore lol. Definetely limited my own perspective on my options in neutral and advantage by tunneling so much on the coolest option.

As a Link main, I appreciate this video. Another thing people don't realize is there are so many traps that Link needs to set up for him to be successful. He is mentally taxing for both players. When possible, I tend to throw boomerang out, then as a trap, I hope my opponent plays aggressive and runs into an arrow, if at higher percents, stuff like this will knock my opponent into returning boomerang and sets up for any kill option. It takes time to learn all the timing windows and thats what throws people off from playing him. Its obviously very difficult to see a meta for Link when sometimes it feels like you're the only one playing him, in a sea of top tiers that I feel Link does well against. Arrows can be used as a combo starter in certain conditions, but if you make that condition happen consistently, it just becomes a part of the arsenal. Another thing forgotten is bair 1 at least has guaranteed confirms and should not be overlooked. You need to think of it like Falcon's nair 1 which is used in a similar yet sort of budget way. One more thing is Link's ground speed is actually on par with Mario's run speed, if you foxtrot around, making him slightly faster and able to make the proper follow ups. He is a very unorthodox character and absolutely needs the time to invest in his kit. Thats probably what stops him from being in top placings in majors.

@ludgerkres.1437

Жыл бұрын

If anyone reads replies, I have a few other examples of Link tech that could be helpful to others that play Link, or those that was to try and pick him up.

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

Such is the life of mid tiers, having to do more to reach similar results as with high tiers.

@act_pink8551

Жыл бұрын

@@ludgerkres.1437 I’ve been picking him up recently, definitely feels like he is reliant on you setting up a checkmate scenario with projectiles when you don’t have that much in terms of pressuring them into the bad situations to set up the situation

@ludgerkres.1437

Жыл бұрын

@@act_pink8551 Thats usually the case, sometimes it takes all three projectiles at once to get a kill. If you want some more examples of getting kills sometimes killing with arrow is the best play instead of pulling bomb. Like instead of the traditional boomerang to fair kills, you can go for grab and forward/back throw. You then follow up with an arrow for gimps or kills. Or you can use a weak arrow to bait an airdodge and go off stage to punish it. Another way to achieve this can be use of a bomb infront of the opponent, you shoot the bomb with an arrow or boomerang but very weak, opponents tend to try and parry the incoming boomerang or arrow, but since you were hitting the bomb, this reactivates its hitbox, and potentially mess up their timing. You then detonate the bomb. Another good thing to try, especially if you need a second or two break, just charge your arrow and hold it. This might force your opponent to stop and shield, it then becomes a game of chicken and if you hold and they keep shielding, you win the interaction, even if you hit or miss their shield. Because now their shield is much smaller and easier to poke. One more piece of advice is to learn precise dair autocancel windows. Works really well on stages with platforms. Like, if you are being juggled or standing on top platform of BF, you can weave through the platforms and autocancel dair if the opponent is on the platform. Mid level players will try to punish it, you them surprise them with upsmash. You can even use dair as a combo starter, its really interesting to give it a go and successfully win a disadvantage and start a combo of your own. One more idea I have for this post is if you're shielding, you have a frame 4 option out of it, which is jump, and zdrop bomb, and double jump detonate. If aggressive players don't shield you can get them to back off using this, it can surprise people as well. I have other ideas up my sleeve but I will post more if requested.

@BKScience812

Жыл бұрын

Also a Link main here! I heavily rely on boomerangs as well, with so much combo potential off the returning boomerang. Something I have noticed about his arsenal but haven't learned how to take advantage of is the ability to trip opponents with Link's arrow. A low power arrow when it hits a player on the ground has the chance to trip them. I'm usually not in close proximity when it happens, however. I think it might be a great technique to master in order to pin someone in place for a returning boomerang into kill confirm.

Why No One/Everyone Plays: Toon Link and Young Link

@Matanumi

Жыл бұрын

Don't SOME people play young link?

@orangeslash1667

Жыл бұрын

@@Matanumi I encountered more Young Links than Links, because Young Link is really good at zoning. Link is more powerful but he's also kinda predicable.

@TheLazarusOperation

Жыл бұрын

I love toon link and Young Link. Adult link never hit right for me in ultimate

@YOSSARIAN313

Жыл бұрын

Toon link can honestly be scary. I used to go to a local weekly and the top toon link in America at the time used to come in and stomp scrubs every few weeks

@edwn00005

Жыл бұрын

toon link is considered top tier in the japanese meta. the top australian player is a young link main, and there are several top n.a. players who are young link mains. i am not quite sure what you mean.

I have 1,000 hours with link. This is very accurate. Link cannot control the pace of a game. It makes some matchups unbearable. Great video.

@EvileyeV

Жыл бұрын

Jesus lmao

@BC0MBS

Жыл бұрын

Same

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

After brawl and up, links moveset wasn't cared for, it was only cared for in 64, and melee

@drzaius8430

Жыл бұрын

Funny I've never had the problem. I've been as him since the n64 so it's possible I've just adopted my own unique style of switching weapons so fast I don't allow for anyone to really pull the battle. I don't know maybe everyone me sucks? Even online I destroy people with link and ganondorf from time to time.

@orangeslash1667

11 ай бұрын

@@IIIISai The reason Link is slow is because we have Toon Link for the faster option. While Link trades speed for power.

I’m glad you brought out the young/toon link point. I always felt young link being in the game doesn’t help link because he’s such a better option with pretty much the same gameplay between them

@MsDestroyer900

Жыл бұрын

Their gameplay is very different I'm really not sure what you mean. YL has melee marth syndrome where he can only kill with raw smash attacks while link doesnt have this issue. And their physics alone is also another big reason why they feel super different to play.

@immanuelmescudi6700

Жыл бұрын

@@MsDestroyer900 I havent played this game yet whats the diffference between young link and toon link gameplay wise?

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

Link will always be better imo, YL may be faster and better at zoning but Link has all of the combo potential, kill power, and handsomeness

@kingtrell44

Жыл бұрын

@@dhans9662 link gives me combo food vibes kinda, I do love his bomb set ups and gimmicks but to me he can easily get out played a lot by his movements alone

@kingtrell44

Жыл бұрын

@@MsDestroyer900 I mean they both use nair alot and projectiles into combos are both a thing for them. Obviously they aren’t exactly the same but if you’re gonna play either or I feel like you might as well play YL vs Link

I’ve played Link for over 20 years. What started as a love for the character became my main throughout the series until Cloud debuted. My problem with him now is that I’m fighting 20 years of muscle memory and cannot get over the lack of tether grab, slow dash attack (although that’s been a staple for a while since melee), and remote bomb. I know the bomb has better utility now, but my brain isn’t in learning mode anymore. Young Link’s moves feel right, but he’s just a very nerfed version of what I’m used to. Sadly, Link is now in my back pocket as an awkward secondary. I can still win, but it’s not the same anymore.

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

agreed, this is why slippi melee is better than ultimate

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

@@IIIISaii dont know if that “makes it better than Ultimate” but I understand having a preference!

@drzaius8430

Жыл бұрын

Idk I adopted very quickly and I have been played just as long since the n64. If anything I got a aloooot deadlier. Using bombs to pull people in and even lunch myself, the longer sword allows me to combo like a monster and he's slightly faster now and that's a huuuge buff for me. Idk maybe my brain works in a weird way when i play link. I lunch items and force them in close then I use his long sword to force them in mid them I pummel them items forcing them back to close. I have weakspots with a fast fighters but when I get launched I leave bombs or arrows in my wake so when I come back i got room. That I don't recover so they they think they I got me and I mid air down smash, fun fact at the right Frame it has a one hell of a down spike. They never see it coming as they don't know link can do that lol.

@Mikcago

6 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! Hate the dash attack. Hate the remote bomb. He's slower than ever. And now my fifteen years plus of muscle memory is SHOT and I need a new main 😂😢

@HeroC14

Ай бұрын

His grab is better than tether, boomerang is better than a dash attack, and remote bomb kills at high percents. He's the best version of Link in 20 years.

I feel like link CAN be good but it’s just easier to play a character like Roy where you hit button and get immediate results. Like many characters in ultimate, we may never know his potential.

Everytime a Smash titles comes up there is aways some hype on Link. "Maybe this time Link shall be good?". But everytime he is either bad or average.

@gameboyn64

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile zelda mains just pray she isn't ass again

And the boomerang wave bounce thing catches people off guard all the time

They should given him flurry rush somewhere in his move set. Or something like a jump shot with an arrow or multiples. Or what’s wrong with giving him stasis?? Like mewtwos disable. That could have been in place of boomerang because boomerangs aren’t commonly used weapons in BOTW where as the runes are used throughout the whole game.

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

Because Link is one of the original 12 characters so his redesign had to be almost completely identical

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

@@dhans9662 Also, I'm sure Stasis would have been gimmicky and would have made Link WORSE. The main reason he's working right now is because he has good conversions from his boomerang into stuff like remote bomb, up-smash or F-air, otherwise is a worse Ike.

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

@@N12015 I wouldnt say he's a worse Ike, Ike is even slower in exchange for somewhat more kill power and a little bit of sword range. Link also has TONS more combo potential than Ike even if you exclude his boomerang.

@BlankPapers

Жыл бұрын

So fucking based

@datboisenpai2806

Жыл бұрын

What they should done is parries should slow time for a bit just enough to make punishing easier like it does in botw

Ah two of my mains Byleth and Link I really enjoyed playing both of them because they both can easily punish opponents and have nasty combos they can pull off.

Dude I found your channel a few weeks ago and was looking for this video in ur catalog. Sick! Now I watch.

Link has always been my switch in for when my swordie mains aren't cutting it in a matchup. I've always appreciated his zoning options being used less for damage and more to manipulate your opponent to where you want them so you can get in some heavy hits. He's an all rounder like stated in the vid but that means he can always peck at whichever weakness the opponent has as long as you can evenly match them at their strong areas. He really does well defensively against overly aggressive players unlike a lot of other projectile focused characters.

The next smash better have the ability to create a tank out of zonai parts

@FreakingLombax

3 ай бұрын

Smash is over

This channel is the only one I know of with actually novel and comprehensive analysis.

He doesn’t feel like a heavy with good zoning and projectiles anymore, he feels like a gimmick character now idk how else to put it

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

because his arrows suck, bomb can only be used in loops or slow setups, his rang doesn't have the wind effect, his dash attack and tilts can't combo, and his grounded up b is his best ground move, he feels Gimmicky because he can't combo anymore and relies on slow repetitive setups with bomb and arrow and rang

5:03 What? Decent range? Link's grab is like top 5 in the worst range grabs tier list Edit: checked it out now on Ultimate frame data, he's tied with Fox for the third worst grab range in the game, losing only to Ice climbers and Hero

@MsDestroyer900

Жыл бұрын

Vars is known for really dumb shit like this sometimes

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

Links grab works just fine, it's easy to consistently get grabs.

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

@@dhans9662LMAOO Link’s grab is trash

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

I dont understand why Vars did not cover Links grab being bad, and add to that how slow he is, it is one of his biggest weaknesses…

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

@@JuanCarlos-vq1cj Its only bad to you because it doesnt go across half the stage this time. At least now there isnt 40 frames of endlag.

My man Sillin still amazing with Link!

Very true that uncovering Link's potential is very taxing for the player BUT damn is it fun to play interdemensional mind games on the opponent with the remote bomb. Ive noticed it makes some people forget how to play the game and really thats what its all about at the end of the day.

@antonionavarrete6265

Жыл бұрын

I agree got the game 1 month ago and his one of my top 5 characters I use in battle. Then again I learned his move set, and know the in and outs.

I remember playing link in Melee and just spending hours messing with the boomerang and bomb until I could just combo the mess out of anyone. The Back air in that game was great for ledge guarding and aerial combos. Also the immediate frame of the neutral air was killer for spacing and such

The irony that Ncs Artist posted a Link related video (more impotantly, the meme in the video) 3 minutes after this one just adds icicng on the cake for me. It makes this unintentionally funnier. Also, Link (and Young Link) can do the Million Stab in Melee too.

Link main here. :) I find that Link’s niche over the other Links, and other generalists is absolutely the remote bomb. Watching T play Link is always delightfully thrilling, but it’s commonly vocalized he doesn’t develop his bomb game as much as he could. The remote bomb is incredibly versatile and offensively potent, but the element of it I appreciate is its sustained ability to control space. Not the threat of exploding (although this needs to be respected OC) but rather the bouncing remote bomb has a sustained passive hit box. Link’s trapping game is madness. Your opponent has to be mindful of hitstun WHILE also engaging Link. Bomb hitstun enables so many positive interactions for Link in neutral as the opponent has to play around and active hitbox while also engaging with Link. A bouncing bomb at ledge is often a plan death sentence. Low recoveries, obviously a z drop. High recoveries, throw bomb up. If they respect the bomb, Link gets to punish their air dodge or jump or what have you. As far as Samus being as a negative mu for Link goes, I find it to be more of a neutral. A clank with bomb neutralizes a fully charged shot. Link is one of the few characters without a reflector who can actually disregard the charge shot for the most part, both on the ground (by placing the bomb between Link and Samus) and in the air (by throwing the bomb directly at the charge shot).

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

And he also has the hylian shield! (For samus and projectiles in general)

Gotta say as a pit main, pits arrows do a lot to make up for his mobility issues, it just takes a lot of practice. You can chase people down and keep pressing advantage with them if you’re accurate

Just recently started playing B&K, hoping for a video of both his flaws and great points. Thank you

Link absolutely suffers from smash 64’s need for archetypes, now there are so many characters that you can throw in whoever and give them an accurate playstyle to their game, unlike smash 64, where they needed zoners and rush down and a big boy heavy character to make sure everyone had a character to fit their playstyle, so it doesn’t matter that link is a sword fighter first, in smash that comes second, unlike a modern character who gets their playstyle built around their base game and is the top priority

@RoninCatholic

Жыл бұрын

Link has always been more about projectiles than sword fighting. Strong but highly telegraphed/mobility limited sword attacks as finishers, arrows, boomerang, bomb, hookshot, etc. to set it up. In the first game especially you never get up close to an enemy with your sword if you have the option to throw out a sword beam instead, since it's the same damage properties and is safer...and so long as you're not injured, you have the option. "Worthy opponent fights" to Link even in more swordplay focused titles like Ocarina of Time are more about baiting the enemy into opening up, stunning him with some other tool like a Deku nut or hookshot, then hitting hard with a powerful attack during the stun phase. From Wolfos to Stalfos to Lizalfos to literally any of the bosses. A more accurate Link would be more mobile and more projectile/trap focused.

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

@@RoninCatholic So the other two Links.

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

Raiden i agree, Links design was only understandable in melee and 64, brawl shoulda reworked his whole kit and added twilight moves and different character stats but they didn't, instead of smash 4 fixing that issue and reworking link to be like skyward, they just made hd failed brawl link, and the most dissapointing of all, Botw link, from a game that reworked zelda link gameplay, to Be another Hd modded version of smash 4 link, it got more dissapointing after each entry, hero the dlc character is more accurate to botw link, overtime i started to hate ultimate, project M is fine

@vincenthammons-kd9du

Жыл бұрын

Link was really good in the first smash

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

@@vincenthammons-kd9du yup

can't believe i went from a link main to a byleth main, two characters that have the same problem of "can only really approach with neutral air"

Have been waiting for the Link video!

As a Link main, I highly suggest using the boomerang to aim your bombs.

YEAH BOI I was waiting for this!

Link is fun, but too technical to learn at a high level

@geekmac9349

11 ай бұрын

He really isn‘t that technical at all most of his stuff that‘s technical is pretty useless at high level

Should've gave him a buff to have Mythras foresight, it'll represent flurry rush. And parrying projectiles reflects them

@Xirradon

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a good idea

@superheriber27

Жыл бұрын

Mechanics like foresight and Bayo's bats are cancer

If detonating remote bomb had as little recovery as snake's C4 that would be incredible

i can FEEL the day you tear into my beloved icies approaching

Being able to shoot two eras at once is the spicy details all games need nice

It's kinda been Link's lot in life throughout his Smash career is being a weirdly technical, high skill floor character _that also sucks_ ... Why do they do him like this man!!

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

💀

1:03 I had no idea he can do that now!

U should do a why people would pick one character over the other like ryu/ken or marth)lucina

When I first seen they were doing BotW Link for Ultimate, I expected his grab to be Magnesis. I was sad it wasn't.

As a link main, I can tell you that there is at least one person who still plays link. Love the versatility of his specials, the movement and setups with the bombs, and his aerials and normals. I’m a huge fan of Jack of all trades characters in fighting games who benefit from having good fundamentals and find success through reading your opponent. Really fun character, been playing him since brawl 😊

@alexanderpelaez5260

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree, tho i absolutely terrible when playing link

@roguesquadron521

Жыл бұрын

Same, I can play well with several characters but Link is and always will likely be my primary go-to. Been that way since Smash 64 (yes, Im old kids!)

@gamedragonja8962

Жыл бұрын

Fellow link main here

I will never give up on my bomb boomerang 1-2 combos

Kaido's fruit is the Fish Fish Fruit - Model Azure Dragon in reference to a japanese fable about a carp climbing a waterfall and becoming a dragon. Gyarados/Magikarp from Pokemon is a similar reference

Am i the only one who misses Twilight Princess Link?

@IcyDraco10

11 ай бұрын

Well same and I miss his old moveset back on 64-Smash 4

I think it is very disingenuous to state that frame 9 and 10 are "fast" out of shield options. In a game where similar archetypes have amazing oos: Samus has a frame 4 oos option, Simon has a frame 6 and even Villager/Pac Man has frame 6 OOS (with nair), Link as a below average OOS game in terms of speed. Furthermore, a lot of characters have moves that are way safer than -9 on shield, so the usability of these moves out of shield is far less in a competitive setting than your video leads us to believe. At the higher echelons of play, you''ll never see a move that is -9 on shield. The examples you used to punish with Link's oos in the video are so egregiously bad that I'm not sure what the point of them were, if those moves were landed and spaced properly then Link would've had no shot at punishing them. He is actually very weak against shield pressure from rushdown characters because how are you supposed to deal with a Roy mashing a -4 fair on your shield or Fox. Even characters who are less rushdown but can poke safely, like or Palu with a -5 fair or Squirtle with a -6 FTilt. I also feel you missed a key point in that his frame data is incredibly slow across the board and his kill moves are egregiously slow. His "faster" moves like nair (frame 7), bair and jab (also frame 7) aren't even that fast despite their range (Lucina has a comparable jab but is a whole 2 frames faster) don't kill but his slower moves that kill, like FTilt, fair etc. are really slow with only passable range. Frame 16 for FTilt and fair is not going cut it when a lot of other archetypes can just hit him first in an air to air situation.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

Жыл бұрын

Bowser has 2 great frame 6 options. One that doesn't care where you are, it probably hits you, and one that just kills you if you're at like 80-100%

@haloeightYT

Жыл бұрын

That's not what disingenuous means

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

I feel that Vars did not go deep enough in this video. He missed a lot of key things that make Link so hard in a competitive setting.

@HeroC14

Жыл бұрын

Yeah his OoS isn't great. I've tried punishing real high tiers with either up smash or up B and both have their own problems.

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

@@HeroC14 And is quite sluggish, so he NEEDS a good OoS to keep up.

Finally, a Link video. I used to main him as he's my favorite character, but unfortunately he's not great and I cannot use the bomb to nearly its full potential

It's really sad how the Legend of Zelda cast in Smash got the shorter end of the stick.

My doubles partner is a Link main and we've been at the top of our local since release.

Another big change for Link in Ultimate was his lack of a tether grab. Between this and me not being sure how to use the new bomb at first, I had to drop him after 4...first time in the series for me. I miss that grab range 😑

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

I mean if you like having lots of end lag then cool

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

Remote bomb recovery is fun as hell, it is worth learning it!

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

@@dhans9662it is useful once you have conditioned your opponent to shield, that is why samus grab is so good too

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

Doesnt help that Link has a bottom 5 standing and dashing grab range…

@magnum567134

Жыл бұрын

@@dhans9662 eh...I don't mind it🤷‍♂️

God, it really sucks how many characters aren't considered good enough to pick up and play due to speed problems. Link, Incineroar, Kirby, and others, aren't able to tap into their potential because they aren't fast enough, and don't have much to compensate for their lack of mobility.

Do you have like a list on potential characters to get their own why nobody/everybody plays? Would be interesting to see what other fighters we would see in future videos

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

I think Samus is a worthy participant of "Why everyone plays". He covered ZSS so it's worth including a top 10 fighter in terms of usage despite only being a high tier. An example of "Why no one plays" could be Lucina, a swordie everyone says is high/top tier yet is quite unpopular compared to her theoretical power, probably because of bland moveset.

@grimsdol4665

Жыл бұрын

he probably does but for zoners it'll start to get repetitive, they're broken on wifi, they have really safe projectiles for no reason, and they can hold their own in CQC

@N12015

Жыл бұрын

@@grimsdol4665 And then there's Samus, the half-zoner who is top 10 in popularity and has top level representation, specially in europe due to Quik and Sisqui (The best spanish player; not confuse with best hispanic player who goes to MkLeo and Sisqui is only 4-5th because yes, Spain is a hispanic country as well, and apparently more competitive than Europe overall). Why? Because she has clear and effective goals depending of range and positioning; she is good at outboxing most Zoners/Swordies and outzoning brawlers/Trappers (again, half-zoner), so there's no range you're confortable going against wehre she struggles, just a Zone where you can play better, similar to R.O.B and Snake in that regard, other very popular characters.

This hurts 😢 Great video however!

Why no one plays Pit/Dark Pit. I'm waiting, Vars. I love this series.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

Жыл бұрын

Too honest. He has nothing to leverage to really control a match, and while his recovery is great for raw distance covered, I can hardly think of a harder "PLEASE spike me!" recovery in the game. Also, specifically, side B has some mechanical issues. It needs to not trigger the attack when it hits a projectile, otherwise we have the mind breaking issue where a move that both has armor and reflects projectiles somehow loses to most projectiles Probably the single best character in the game for getting gud with tho If you beat someone with Pit, that was all you

What's the song used in this?

I use link in ultimate. I like the shenanigans you can pull with the bomb

The Remote Bomb is such a fantastic tool. This is the most creative version of Link that he's even been in this series. I wish that there was less lag on Link detonating it so he can make follow ups much faster.

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

this version of link was the most lazy designed, the game hes from, thats a creative link, and then in ult they keep him the same as smash 4 with a few differences, instead of making him accurate to botw

I have a hard time against Pit. They can bounce projectiles back. They’re faster and can combo you repeatedly. They just spam roll to dodge. It’s all speed advantage and basically unhittable

Lemme save you the time: he's too much effort in a game where characters can 0-death you for no effort

I'm a mii main, particularly mii brawler, do you ever plan to make a video on them?

I was waiting to see one wnop link for so long

I knew it was coming, but still sad to see my main in here lmao

@JoZerpPL

Жыл бұрын

It's true, i too get sad to see my boy link not being used that much, aside from the few goats using him at tournaments

This is a weird way to find out I don’t exist

I'm waiting here for Why no one plays, Banjo & Kazooie and Duck Hunt

Great video , however you didn't mention an important factor : he is mentally exhausting to play with the many set up he needs to do + the hard excusion for many of his deadly chains/loops.

Question do people still play corrin/kamui

Is there any ep for king dedede

It hurts when it's your main and you know all they need is a byleth kinda moment

Where did he get the clothes for ganondorf

Strange I know a lot of link mains I thought it was common

“He doesn’t have the speed to maximize the potential of his offensive tools” whose fault is that? The developers

I'm enjoying this "Why no one plays"

So what's the final verdict should Link be mained or should he be dropped altogether?

@bronsonbutler8674

Жыл бұрын

i’m a link main and having him in ur back pocket is underrated, can zone out tanky characters as well as use your speed over them and underrated kill power to win, he also is solid against short ranged brawl types as his sword disjoint wins most clashes, i like to think of link as the swiss army knife he can compete with anyone but i treat him like martin and try to avoid letting people get close to the hilt to your sword as this is the no zone and you should not allow people to be in kissing range

Dude really waited till TotK to make a video on Link 😂🎉

It would be fun to split this series into a why no one/ why everyone plays at either local or major level. I know there's some characters with massively inverse proportions, one way or the other.

"why no one plays link" but over 60% of my matches in elite are boomerang spamming links..... is it anecdotal? sure, but i'ma run with it

He’s a tough character especially learning his bomb combos

ive mained link all the way through all the smash games, and even know young link is probably more what i would be used to, i still picked up botw link purly because of how versitile the remote bomb is even know i lose a few setups. but one thing i can say out of my time with him, im not good landing certain kill moves over good spacing and projectile play so uptilt is actually my most common kill move out of his arsenal

This is why i love your videos now i wanna pick up Link

You should do a video on why everyone plays Fox, the best spacie in ultimate.

It kind of sucks that you have to channel your inner peach main to get the most out of link.

Can you do “Why No One plays Banjo Kazooie”?

Cause he is busy cooking food at zora’s domain

Thing I really hate is that you can't detonate your bomb if your opponent is holding it. Makes absolutely no sense

my online gamer score with Link is 13mil, is that good? Like high enough to be competitive in competitions?

😂 Link has ALWAYS been my character, I used to win tournaments with him. I do t understand why no one else uses him, his long range and powerful short range plus sheer reach with the sword, and lastly the hook shot make him the most perfectly balanced character in my opinion.

@mercury2157

10 ай бұрын

He simply can't go blow-by-blow with characters with the ability to rush him down or evade his projectiles consistently

@jarednorris9559

10 ай бұрын

@@mercury2157 I can't speak for the newest edition on super smash, but for the original and melee that wasn't the case. Maybe in the hands of an inexperience link user, but again I used to win tournaments. I was so op with link I could take on 3 of the best players I knew all at the same time and I would almost never lose a life. Everyone's different tho, and again I'm not sure how his speed and avoid abilities in the current gen or even more importantly the competition how it's changed or the new characters they've added so u may be right.

Its funny to me that remote bomb is basically already outdated

Why no one plays mii brawler great video btw!

I always play link. I can't tell you how often my brother and I played 6hour or more a sitting. That was the n64, the best one imho melee/brawl the one thing I cant reconsile is how heavy they made link. It's like they gave him drum-brakes, and took away his jump-fly ability. I LOVED to throw a bomb straight up, then through a boomerang diagonal up in the direction of an approaching adversary. As the closed on me, with me backing up the boomerang would hit them from behind and then the bomb would drip on them and I could power slash them out of bounds

Everyone is playing Link in Tears of the Kingdom though...

With the amount of Links I see on WiFi, there’s no way

@Xirradon

Жыл бұрын

We’re talking abt tournaments not wifi

wii u was skyward sword not twlight princess i thought?

I used to be a Link main back in smash 4. I played him purely because Zelda is my favorite video game series, despite his clear shortcomings. I tried maining him in ultimate at first, but i had a tough time wrapping my head around the new bombs and the lack of a hookshot wasn't really all that appealing to me. Plus twilight princess Link just straight up looks better in my opinion. Glad Young Link made it in, definitely wanted to main him, but his shorter range made it difficult for me to play him as well. I've been sort of in main limbo ever since the game came out. I have a rotation of characters I like to play, but can't say I main any of them definitely. Closest would probably be Snake, because Snake is fun to play and I love MGS3 (so glad about that remake btw).

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

My favorite link design is melee, he just looks perfect and the reskins especially black are awesome, i hate smash 4 link, beautiful artwork but the model looks really strange to me, nice in brawl although colourless, ultimate did a horrible job of representing botw link, I only like dark link and even then smash 4 dark link and botw dark link look better

@azeplays3563

Жыл бұрын

@@IIIISai oh dude, same. Ocarina of Time Adult Link is the best Link design by far, unless you count Fierce Deity. Would've been awesome to see them bring that design back to match Ganondorf, but I suppose young Link will have to do. I remember some people saying the Zelda characters looked kinda off in smash 4, and I can kinda see it. But the twilight princess design far exceeds the botw design any day of the week imo

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

@@azeplays3563 Oh thats a fair assessment, twilight is more gritty and dark, and yea link is the stud, the chad in that game while botw is more baby faced, and ocarina is more neutral, masculine but not gritty, that's why i like him, also his hairstyle is beautiful, but i agree with u that twilight> botw, botw is nice but looks like links younger self, not young link but he definitely seems younger, his hair and eyes are nice, although his definitely outfit is whatever, but desert voe armour, that outfit looks so clean on botw link, I would put oot and Twilight on S tier, and Botw on A tier, im not a fan of tears of the kingdom link design but its fine, anyways if i were to mod my switch and mod smash link, I would get twilight, he has my fav voice

@azeplays3563

Жыл бұрын

@@IIIISai yeah, the voice is one of the better ones. Its funny because ocarina Link's voice is in ultimate, but its Hero's second outfit

I’d love a video on Meta Knight.

@Matanumi

Жыл бұрын

Sewing needle over proper sword sheik issues loss of transdental praority

@shigerufan1

Жыл бұрын

In my case it's because every time I hover over him I still get second-hand shame from the Brawl days

@MsDestroyer900

Жыл бұрын

He has no moves for neutral. His advantage/disadvantage is strong but if you can't win neutral then you just kinda lose the whole game.

Proud to have over 2,000 hours with Link. I don't agree with everything in the video but definitely agree with other parts. Some honourable mentions that i think are worth pointing out - using bomb in neutral to zone out entire areas of the stage. The fear this instills in people is great at forcing a reaction, keeping you on the front foot. That plus the multiple different angles you can send it flying keeps it extra versatile. Uncharged arrows a GREAT for combo extending, disrupting and keeping people occupied whilst you press an assault. Especially mid air. I'm throwing jab in here too. Its speed, combo potential (have to be fast) after second jab and / or distance it throws on the third hit are all great setups for the rest of links moves. Great to follow up with any projectile, any tilt, dash or smash. Especially if you can trigger the reset. Lot of love for Link!

As a Smash Link main, his back air has sooo much untapped combo potential

@geekmac9349

11 ай бұрын

„Untapped“ like for example…..?

Why I don’t play link: - having mained him in every game, this version simply doesn’t feel like link. Without his signature hookshot and bombs this is really a different character. - His moveset feels so heavy and slow that he just doesn’t have the same appeal as he did in his previous versions. - Having to detonate bombs is cumbersome and while having this type of bomb is unique, it’s just too difficult to master and rely on. - Sometimes your bomb is just stuck on the other side of the stage leaving your resource in the hands of your opponent. He is definitely strong but he is not underrated. I think he is perfectly rated right where he belongs. Not strong, not weak, just mid.

@evo2500

8 ай бұрын

no hook shot. weird potion bombs. and they ruined his final smash with a gay bow and arrow

You basically covered my problems with playing Link. He has strong tools but not enough to force a gameplan, he has to play around other’s game plans and find openings. This bait and punish playstyle is harder to do on a slow character when there’s characters like shiek ZSS or even Paisy that have better mobility and frame data to micro space. His nair and bair are strong but can be made harder to use with proper counter play and his projectiles have slow start up making it easy to react to. I fell in love with Link’s remote bomb in the beginning and his jack of all trade attribute. however a lot of Link’s tools in various scenarios that I’ve enjoyed people would avoid as they understood the Link MU better. This leads to the normal Plan A gameplan not being effective and his tools for his Plan B without bomb like empty hop grabs being more exploitable and vulnerable as well as more limiting from using his other tools like fair. A lot of the bomb combos require really precise inputs that require good fundamentals to find proper openings unless you fish for the combos but his fundamental playstyle can be frustrating with his tools

@JuanCarlos-vq1cj

Жыл бұрын

You summed it up even better. I just wish remote recovery was more talked about.

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

exactly, overtime my passion died down and it didn't help that i versed people who were very good in the match up along with analysing the lack of creativity in the kit design, just playing ult link feels bad, i used to love it in the passed

As a Link main, I can 100% confirm how truthful each word here was. Thanks

I feel like they could have also changed his Side Special: there are boomerangs in BotW... but they aren't super common, you usually get one from Lizalfos, moreover THAT boomerang doesn't resemble a Lizalfos boomerang. Another power of the Sheikah Slate, some mechanic like shield surfing or simply a different weapon would all have been more interesting options. Someone put Link (from BotW) as a custom character in Rivals of Aether, and it is MUCH different. Maybe too much for Super Smash, but something could have been done.