You know what actually is just around the corner? The gas station.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

You know what is on your doorstep? a power socket

@fugawiaus

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebillsand the potential to burn not just your car but the house down as well as you sleep. And spending thousands on installing the extension cord. And then there is the insurance cost being double and the house insurance going up. No thanks. Hehe

@HaigEngineering

3 ай бұрын

Yes Robert, that is something that we can actually rely on!

@evil17

3 ай бұрын

@@fugawiausIn the years following closure of all refueling stations, there will be half price electric charging station signs with a clock counting down advertising the next 30 minutes of cheap electric charging at 10 times the kWh rated price it is now. Electricity prices will skyrocket and also yo-yo price throughout the day to capitalise on time of use tariffs.

@AndrewHollywood

3 ай бұрын

Great comment

5 minute charging. You just need to hook some cables to the clocktower and wait for an electrical storm.

@mxfool1508

3 ай бұрын

I like your plan doc Brown but, to get the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity, do we have to be going 88 mph

@geoffreyparker926

3 ай бұрын

Great idea! Electrifying! ❤️☝🏻✌🏻👍🏻

@kelvinwood6641

3 ай бұрын

But Doc? Where's the flux capacitor?

@raypalmer7733

3 ай бұрын

And only travel at 88 MPH

@roysimpson9711

3 ай бұрын

HOW MANY JIGAWATTS WAS IT .

I'm coming to the conclusion that people were smarter 50 years ago than they are today.

@ElementofKindness

3 ай бұрын

Welcome to the rerun societal collapse of Rome.

@bikingcat3283

3 ай бұрын

I have Algebra I & II problems from 50 years ago that stump college kids. Shop Class, Home Economics, Algebra I and Euclidean Geometry, Basic Chemistry and Physics (with real hands on lab experiments). Could do all this at the end of Middle School. Shop Class would be hand tools only. Math is pushed to hard and most don't really absorb the information. Many in college have to relearn the basics again because they keep hitting walls in the latter Calculus classes and beyond. High School is good for really going deep on Algebra II & Trig.

@HuFlungDung2

3 ай бұрын

Yes, hear all the idiocy surrounding the upcoming solar eclipse. I don't think many people even know such events are normal orbital mechanics.

@Freedomquest08

3 ай бұрын

People were definitely more intelligent before they carried their brains (cell phones) in their hands. Might need to go 60 or 70 years though. 1974 was in the middle of the first big OPEC shortage scam, the govt. mandated denutting of cars, ushering in the malaise era, and Vietnam was still going on. 1974 was about the beginning of how we got here. We have the Club of Rome d bags to thank for that.

@user-gh4lv2ub2j

3 ай бұрын

Demographic change. Thanks **redacted** voters.

They been saying " solid state batteries any day now " , for the last 10 years .

@secondchance6603

3 ай бұрын

It's no different to 'Cancer cure' we've been hearing about for close to a hundred years now.

@Bryan-Hensley

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. I read about a new battery breakthrough every week

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270

3 ай бұрын

They're not needed. Existing battery technology improves in energy density year on year. Incremental improvements in NMC and LFP technology keeps pushing back the point at which SS batteries can be profitable. As for EVs 'taking hours to charge'..🤣..he doesn't know what he's talking about. 80% of my charging is done at home overnight, once a week gives me enough for a week of normal driving, about 300 km...which is what most people do. 97% of the time your car isn't moving so plugging it in an taking 'hours' for it to charge isn't a problem. I really don't care how slow in charges when I'm asleep! My EV is now 5 years old and the battery tech is already way out of date in that I can only charge at 75 kW max on a rapid charger. Even so, after driving for 250 km I need a break and this is well within the range of my car (450 km)..so I plug in while I eat/drink/use bathroom/stretch legs for 20-30 minutes just as I always used to in the 45 years of owning ICE cars. In that time my car gets another 200 km of range and I'm set to go again. More modern EVs can charge twice as fast as mine, so barely enough time to grab a coffee, sandwich and use the bathroom.

@sahhull

3 ай бұрын

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270I'm an adult that can happily complete 6 hour drives without a break. If I need a break, the missus can take over without us needing to waste our lives watching a car charge. Presuming you can find a charger in this country that is actually working. I had a look last week. 6 out of the 8 available chargers in one location were out of order.

@Markcain268

3 ай бұрын

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 its improved by a few percent in the last 10 years, stop telling porkies, you ev salesmen must think we all fell off a Christmas tree!

the goal has always been "cars for the few, not the many" .

@patrickpanhuysen9618

3 ай бұрын

@the_forbinproject2777 And how many car producers are gonna survive that ?

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

So explain while there has been steady increase in the number of cars on the roads over the years.

@teekay_1

3 ай бұрын

@@patrickpanhuysen9618 None. That's the point.

@the_forbinproject2777

3 ай бұрын

no intention of car producers surviveing the need for Net Zero =deindustrialization means poverty - but at least you get to save the planet. @@patrickpanhuysen9618

@bigglyguy8429

3 ай бұрын

@@solentbum Yes, that's the motive, they want rid of us. Around 25 years ago I walked out of an interview in the UK for a job with a local government office, as they explained part of my job would be making private car ownership difficult.

All the charging issues will NOT magically disappear, as you quite rightly say! The demand for electricity is absolutely sky-rocketing (and it's not just electric cars driving this). And that demand is rapidly outstripping our ability to generate and distribute the juice needed.

@user-fg7jk9cq1b

3 ай бұрын

Of course they will, Paul. see my comment to see how.

@sirjohng1

3 ай бұрын

The tec industries, surveillance and Security Services with their greed for our privacy require huge Network Computer Banks to store their 'crops' and as more and more info is collected they just keep building more network space, all requiring large amounts of electricity and heating up the planet. A major addition to their Climate Change? Not a bit of it, never mentioned.

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fg7jk9cq1b Charging by solar at night, presumably.

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270

3 ай бұрын

Wrong. Electricity demand in developed countries has been falling or is flat. In the UK demand peaked in 2007 and despite there now being one million BEVs on the roads of the UK demand has not risen. Here in France where I live we also crossed the one million BEV threshold last month and there are 2 million less petrol and diesel cars on the roads here than there were at the end of 2022, all good news. RTE who run the French grid were expecting a big uptick in grid demand over the past couple of years as a result of the rapid EV adoption here and French households replacing oil and gas heating with heat pumps in 600,000 households in 2022 alone. Yet demand has stayed the same. This is down to two main reasons, firstly most EV charging is done overnight when no one wants the power and companies like Tesla who provide rapid charging on the main routes tend to 'buffer' power overnight, buying it cheaply and selling it during the day. The second reason is the explosive growth of solar power for personal consumption. France added 3.75 Gw peak of solar in 2023 and a third of that was households and companies installing it for self consumption. If you consume your own power then you don't require so much from the grid. It is really important that channels such as MGUY spreading misinformation about EV and batteries are challenged. He really doesn't know what he's talking about.

@Gazza-rv8ud

3 ай бұрын

Don't think any light will make it into your cave even in daytime.@@robertkubrick3738

If I had a dime for every "game changer" battery video on YT I might have enough to buy an EV.

@mddell24

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. They are becoming irritating because they are far from Game changing. Ripples at best.

@mikepickford1

3 ай бұрын

The Chinese government have a habit of announcing major breakthroughs like this. I have lost count of the number of times they announced cold fusion reactors. The new “thing” is batteries

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

Likewise for break-throughs in treatments for Alzheimers, Heart Disease, Arthritis, and so on. The world is full of 'puff ' pieces from small research groups looking for money. Meanwhile in the real world there have been some ongoing developments coming to market.

@Martin_from_Ipswich

3 ай бұрын

I watched the Electric Viking video last night about these wonderful new batteries and the amazing impact they will have on EV sales 😂. How Electric Jesus is going to destroy car manufacturers with the sale of Tesla cars. Which incidentally, if they do produce them successfully would destroy the second hand ev market more than at present. Including used Tesla. My first thought was, where is the power coming from to achieve this and how much will it cost to upgrade the power networks, who will fund it and is it even feasible?

@mikepickford1

3 ай бұрын

@@Martin_from_Ipswich Maybe electric Jesus can charge the 5000 from 2 D cell batteries and 5 solar panels! 🤣It would take a miracle for EVs to run society. I always wonder exactly how these genius EV cult enthusiasts think they are going to sell all these EVs when nobody wants to buy them or even rent them?

A trailer with a petrol fueled generator onboard will be next must-have EV accessory.

@zwieseler

3 ай бұрын

Look up Harald Murphy… he’s done 5 laps of Australia in Teslas…. Without a petrol fuelled generator.

@willrobbinson

3 ай бұрын

more like a diesel generator and safer !!!

@johnnydoe1984

3 ай бұрын

​@@zwieseler I MIGHT be impressed if he'd done it in a 8/10 year old Tesla ! Let's face it , EV are NOT green , NOT built to last , NOT good with resale values , NOT good for personal freedom and NOT good for our pockets ! Their a CONTROL mechanism.

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

@@zwieseler How many years did that take?

@kallekas8551

3 ай бұрын

Quick! Get the patent!👍🤣

There's none so blind as them that refuse to see ,there's none so deaf as them that refuse to listen......

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

This includes MGUY unfortunately.

In the UK they aren’t just cutting the cables off EV chargers solely for copper value anymore… they’re doing it for the good of the environment!! 💪💪👏👏

@DwaynePipes

3 ай бұрын

Same with catalytic converter thefts?😂

@lukeclifton4392

3 ай бұрын

@@DwaynePipes Except a catalytic converter converts the emissions to less harmful waste… an EV charging cable empowers the waste to convert their harm into emissions!

@DwaynePipes

3 ай бұрын

@@lukeclifton4392 You were talking about theft. In the UK, 3 CCs stolen an hour, every hour of every day. No wonder our insurance premiums are skyrocketing!

@lukeclifton4392

3 ай бұрын

@@DwaynePipes 🤣🤣Funny how insurance premiums never made a leap considering CC theft… until EV’s came along!! Replacing a stolen $2000 CC is far cheaper than a $60,000 battery… and a a catalytic converter repair comes with no ongoing insurance liability compared to a battery!!!

@DwaynePipes

3 ай бұрын

@@lukeclifton4392 Who is stealing 60k batteries?

I like to use the analogy of trying to fill an Olympic sized swimming pool, that holds thousands of gallons of water - if all you have is a garden hose off an outside faucet on your house that can deliver 5 gallons per minute, it's literally going to take you days to fill said swimming pool - if you call your local fire department, and they come over with a tanker truck that can deliver hundreds of gallons per minute when hooked to a fire hydrant, you can fill it up in under an hour. I then tell them that the 60 Kwhr battery pack is the swimming pool, the 240V 50 amp service to their house is the garden hose, and the 700 Kwh fast charger hooked up to an industrial level power supply is the tanker truck - just to illustrate to them that they can't recharge their EV any faster than what your electrical service can provide, no matter what type of batteries they have.

@sahhull

3 ай бұрын

And the firehose will strip off the tiles in your pool. There's your fast charge battery degradation.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

A bizarre comparison as there is no requirement for super fast charging at home!

@andrewallen9993

3 ай бұрын

My father designed a pump that would fill an olympic sized swimming pool in minutes. It was of course rocket science, a turbo pump for emptying spaceship fuel tanks into their engines :)

@sahhull

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills not everyone can charge at home. Those that can't charge at home also have the issue that more often than not, cannot even park in the same street as their home.

@user-it7lf7kk8m

3 ай бұрын

What is it about EV fans that they just can't get that simple fact into their heads? Not everyone can charge at home. A large number can't . They would be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't have to revisit the simple stuff over and over again, like some dystopian groundhog day.

I love it when I see the word "could" that to me means they don't know.

@vanzell1912

3 ай бұрын

It means they’re are looking for a story; desperately..!

@sarcasmunlimited1570

3 ай бұрын

The EV battery industry has nothing on technologies like Quantum Computing, where very clever theorists and engineers have for many decades maintained exciting hopes and expectations with ever increasing benefits that could transform civilization. Compared to Quantum Computing devotees, EV battery researchers are amateurs.

@sarcasmunlimited1570

3 ай бұрын

But you've got to admit, anything could happen.

@roberttownsend339

3 ай бұрын

@@sarcasmunlimited1570 will happen sounds better.

@user-it7lf7kk8m

3 ай бұрын

It is all driven by the money raised by the eco grift. People just jumping on a well funded band wagon, often producing products that aren't fit for purpose and could have been advised to not waste their time by real engineers.

Have you seen Tony Goodman’s EV Car-nage vlog yesterday. He was in a Citroen C4. His 320 mile journey took him 10.5 hours with at least 5 charging stops. It was a disaster.

@retroonhisbikes

3 ай бұрын

Just watch it too.

@Galerak1

3 ай бұрын

I can do 320 miles in about 2/3rds of a tank of petrol. Takes about 5 minutes to 'charge' the tank 🤣

@Masonic1016

3 ай бұрын

I did a similar journey recently in my diesel Mercedes, and it took just 5 hours and 35 minutes and cost £30 in fuel. There's no way I would attempt that in an EV.

@stuartwilson4960

3 ай бұрын

Have you seen : The MacMaster's Porsche Taycan EV Electric just over 2 years. The purchase price was £120k. Now worth £24k

@xr6lad

3 ай бұрын

@@Galerak1and the other benefit! Anywhere along that time line of yours whether the tank is a quarter empty, half empty or 3/4 empty you can top up anywhere you see a petrol station AND then go somewhere of your chosen to eat or stop - not have your car dictate where you eat or stop because it has to be near a charger.

I've been saying this for years, to replace a motorway fuel station with chargers would require the power of a large housing suburb. The true is they are trying to drive us off the road, we must push back.

@silverhawkscape2677

3 ай бұрын

Cars are freedom!

@scoobyflew

3 ай бұрын

​@@silverhawkscape2677you are so right, freedom of movement is the embodiment of freedom.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Yet Tesla are installing charging stations with 10-20 stations around the world.

@scoobyflew

3 ай бұрын

​@@mickjoebills 20 chargers is nothing, to replace a filling station you are looking at 180 chargers per service area. And that won't cope with high demand days.

@fugawiaus

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebillssimple facts, Tesla install the equivalent of an industrial sized power station to achieve this. The power is also split when multiple cars are charging slowing charging times to a trickle.

The only solution so far Evanglists have offered to cut charging times is to up the power - of course totalling ignoring that a bank of 350 kw chargers need massive power lines going into them. Magnifying that by thousands of public chargers and we have a problem.

@Thinkaboutit2050

3 ай бұрын

Your EV doesn't charge off of solar or wind exclusively, because those are two other intermittent, unreliable, Bullsh|t technologies that don't work worth a flip. You'll have to wait until the greenie weenies harness the power of rainbows and unicorn farts.

@matthewgodwin3050

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 Actually, we do get to choose. Which is why EV sales have collapsed, and petrol & diesel cars are selling like hot cakes. Even Porsche dealers are now refusing to take Taycans in part exchange. Because there is no market for them. 80% depreciation in two years. Then there's poor old Elon. He had to reduce prices by 20% out of sheer desperation because nobody is buying his fire prone death traps anymore. Says it all really, doesn't it!

@MagnifiedGiant

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 marxists are morons and you are proof of concept.

@kellikelli4413

3 ай бұрын

Besides the fact that 'fast charges' don't last as long as a 'trickle charge' - Obviously that means you won't get far on that 'fast charge'.

@terjepetersen

3 ай бұрын

@@matthewgodwin3050 - EV sales have not collapsed. Globally the growth rate in EV sales has slowed. But the volume of sales is still growing. 20% annual growth instead of 50% annual growth is still growth.

I tried pointing this out on the Electric Vikings Channel, of course no one would listen they all live in their pipe dream world where they think electricity is endless and the current grid can supply endless amounts of current.

@user-lj9ld8ir1e

3 ай бұрын

Better off talking to a brick.

@alanakafang6143

3 ай бұрын

@@user-lj9ld8ir1e pretty much, they are so Brainwashed it's insane

@realstevieb7201

3 ай бұрын

@@user-lj9ld8ir1e I love my brick

@acurafillfilip9868

3 ай бұрын

I guess 80 pct of the Electric Viking’s YT audience are 15 year old indoctrinated kids

@floydfanboy2948

3 ай бұрын

No use trying to confront zealots with a reality check.

To make the EVangalists understand, convert the power requirements to windmills. If you want 720kW charging, you need 1MW of windmills for each car. And since the duty factor for on-land wind is 0.2, you need 5 of them.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Mostly charging overnight makes this unnecessary given cheaper baseload. BEV power needs are high, but oil has high needs as well depending on source. We are merely used to those and/or compartmentalize them.

Been saying this for some time. EV evangelists brush off price and performance issues by saying it is emerging technology - that is always expensive to start with but improves rapidly as interest and take-up increases, often citing flat-screen TVs as a comparative example. What they are missing is that nothing in EVs is new technology - the high performance motors and batteries have been around for decades and have been perfecting in other products - mobile (cell) phones, in particular, has driven the energy density of lithium batteries down in the drive for smaller phones, more powerful processors for longer periods. Lithium-Ion EV technology is not emerging, it is pretty mature and there isn’t much scope for improvement in battery charge density and charging times. If a significant reduction in battery size and weight and/or a significant increase in range, and/or a significant increase in charging speed is needed then that isn’t lithium, something completely new is needed.

@tarwod1098

3 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that lithium is the only metal that is very quick to react AND lightweight. They can only work on finding out ways to make it more stable to thermal issues in mixing it with other metals that are as lightweight as possible also. So they don’t have many choices. Plus, when they do find a working solution it still has to be economically viable

@VK4VO

3 ай бұрын

To extend range, MASSIVE weight shaving is needed. Kia EV9 is almost 3 tonnes,,, there is the range problem. You can't add more batteries as that adds weight, The Law of deminishing returns has a stranglehold on any advancements unless they get a grasp on this. Most of these tech bafoons wouldn't understand this basic law of physics

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

CATL state their battery packs will reduce in wholesale price 50% this year, from US$6k to $3k.

@evil17

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebillslets see how that goes, or is CATL going into the new salt batteries to do this?

@user-it7lf7kk8m

3 ай бұрын

Physics and chemistry is going to be the limiting factor going forward for battery energy capacity. The diminishing returns thing with weight is similar to that with launching stuff into orbit or aviation. That's why they don't use electric rockets to do the job

Imagine the heat generated when these batteries are charged.

@WendsH

3 ай бұрын

Imagine the heat of the cables from all the I2R losses with all that current draw. Imagine all the melted cabling because it's not designed for fast-charging at the rate these people are proposing.

@BlisterBang

2 ай бұрын

@@WendsH It's not that it's impossible; it's that it's ridiculously, hilariously impractical. To make it work, EVangelists only need a charger with a 10" diameter, 350 pound water-cooled charging cable for grandma to plug into her EV. The cartoon of it alone would be delicious. : )

@WendsH

2 ай бұрын

@@BlisterBang LOL (tell me you've humped shorepower cables without telling me you've humped shorepower cables) I concur. I acknowledge that it isn't impossible. Thank you for the correction. xD

@BlisterBang

2 ай бұрын

@@WendsH Due to resistance to sea sickness, I stood maneuvering watch a lot. But when the opportunity happened I'd help the EO's so we could shut down sooner. Or if I wasn't the on-watch RO, I'd sometimes just relieve the on-watch EO 'cause they were faster with the fishpaper and tape than us prima-donna RO's. ; ^ )

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

@@WendsH don't trust @BlisterBang, electrical understanding is subpar. Given 750kwh chargers exist, megachargers will soon & neither weigh 350 pounds, perhaps he's getting some things wrong (voltage). Not just water in the cables, yeesh, electrical engineers are smarter than that.

imagine the heat generated and the losses on a 5 minute charges. wouldn't want to be within a 100 yards of it.

@evil17

3 ай бұрын

Now you have got me actually thinking about the potential Global Warming impact this may induce. Maybe these things are what kills the planet after all, by actually adding so much extra heat to the atmosphere through car use, fast charging & electricity generation to keep all this highly inefficient mechanism going. It’s a Catch 22!

@lucylovitt9583

2 ай бұрын

And the electrical radiation

@AlaskanInsights

2 ай бұрын

@@lucylovitt9583 fur sure, there is definitely unspoken health issues on that end. electromagnetic fields may cause health issues, but don't worry it is safe

@kolbyking2315

2 ай бұрын

​@@lucylovitt9583Microwaves and radio waves? Unless there is a continuous open spark, it ain't producing cancer-causing radiation. Fluorescent bulbs are wayyyy more dangerous.

It always brings a smile to my face when ever I watch this channel it's always preceeded by an advert for an EV 😂

@DwaynePipes

3 ай бұрын

Just imagine the irony of some EV sales being made off the back of these videos!😂

The phrase "Game Changing" is the powder charge used to fire the Baloney Cannon.

I believe most people simply don’t understand the physics of electric current. They don’t get the idea power is rate of work, and volts x amps = Watts of power. If they ever tried to hand crank a dynamo to power a torch bulb; they’d start to figure how much effort that is. The sheer amount of electrical energy required to charge all these EVs is enormous. Roughly 20% of our energy is delivered by electricity. The rest is gas and diesel in the main, with a little nuclear and wind when it blows. To replace the gas for power stations and domestic use, and replace the diesel trucks that are the backbone of our economies - it’s utterly stupid to even think it’s close to possible using wind turbines and lithium batteries.

@malcolmwhite6588

3 ай бұрын

You summarised by saying “ it’s utterly stupid to even think” … sadly this is the problem today, the general populous is utterly stupid very few can critically think and anyone who criticises is frowned upon.

@sullivanrachael

3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmwhite6588- if the world *really* wanted to be free of fossil fuels it could do so. Nuclear power. The technology exists. Admittedly waste is a problem. But, given enough money, it could be given safe repository. Fossil fuels are a very convenient energy supply. Combined with atmospheric oxygen, it’s easy enough with simple machinery to extract useful work from coal (steam engines) or with more sophisticated machinery internal combustion or turbines. The battery EVs with zero emissions are not the future. There are many high power battery chemistries available - take the Apollo missions - they had silver zinc batteries. Good for about 6 charge/ discharge cycles but offering superior energy density compared to other systems. The humble everyday car has to withstand a certain amount of idiot proofing, and the relative simplicity of hydrocarbon fuel and internal combustion is successful enough to have enjoyed widespread adoption over a century. EVs could have existed a century ago, and did, but the limits of Lead Acid batteries made gasoline ultimately the fuel adopted. Big business grew around the cars and the oil based fuel. Motorised transport has arguably been one of our more successful inventions. I argue banning it for a slightly improved version of the old idea - battery electric - is stupid. Hybrid is a great compromise between ICE and EV. I own one and enjoy the smoothness of EV and the freedom of fuel. The best of both. With less emissions and smaller batteries to plunder the earths crust to create. Why are hybrids not the chosen solution??! It is the WEF demanding politicians make a world where ordinary people lose freedom, lose personal transport, and become enslaved to smaller existences.

Watched a vid by Scottish Car Clan and he was on this subject, he said if you have an EV charging at 350kw that takes the same power out of the grid as 80 homes! So mass fast charging is just a pipe dream without a huge increase in generating capacity.

Got an electric car advert before this , the problems with evs are numerous

I just can't imagine getting enthusiastic over EV tractor pulling competitions.

@malcolmwhite6588

3 ай бұрын

I could - is that where they get a tractor at each end of an EV and try to pull it apart?😂

@hazcat640

3 ай бұрын

🤣👍

@malcolmwhite6588

3 ай бұрын

And of course your calculations are generous as they don’t allow for any losses for heat etc with such massive currents required Also my understanding is that the sulphur type battery requires to be a high temperatures and cannot maintain a charge for a long time so it would need to be drawing power in the garage overnight of quite a quantity of the battery capacity

@malcolmwhite6588

3 ай бұрын

That’s what I used to tell my ex-wife, you can have it fast, or you can get some decent quantity over a longer time frame you can’t have both!😂

@johnnieboy5381

3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmwhite6588 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Excellent video. I’m always amazed at how many people have no idea of a system, don’t think of the end-to-end ramifications, and have no idea of energy transfer issues.

The only possible way to have an EV recharge as quickly as a gasoline or diesel vehicle would be to swap the battery with a fully charged one. This is impractical since it would require standardization of batteries and methods to remove and replace them quickly. This would also introduce the issue of electrical connections which would tend to wear out or corrode causing potential fires or other issues. And of course, the problem regarding the decay of batteries with time. In other words, it would be potentially hazardous to say nothing of the impracticality of storing large numbers of batteries waiting for recharge, being recharged and fully charged in inventory. I look at the New Jersey Garden State Parkway during busy seasons, see how many cars are queued up to refuel despite the massive numbers of gasoline pumps operating and realize you could easily have over a thousand cars per day at any of the busiest service stations. That would be a lot of batteries to replace if they were all EVs.

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention, How does one build a robust battery management system into swappable batteries? The answer is, you don't. NIO who is going broke by the way and you can buy their stock for $5 USD is only successful with their cars in cool climates like Norway. The short driving distances doesn't hurt either.

@andyharman3022

3 ай бұрын

Imagine the fire at an EV battery storage facility if one of those batteries goes into thermal runaway...

@mikepickford1

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but all that electricity has still got to come from somewhere... and the grid infrastructure has to be able to suport it. With time and infinite money it *might* work almost as well as the system we have now.

@Cheordig

2 ай бұрын

The car company Nio do this. Edit: just noticed @robertkubrick3738 mentioned them.

I was talking with friends at a local northern Sydney car dealership on Monday. They are preparing for new German EVs and have installed 2 fast chargers. I asked why only 2 when the dealership would need more just for the showroom cars. They said that was the limit of the area grid. If they wanted more it would cost millions to upgrade the grid to bring power from “far away”.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Why do you think they will need more than 2 fast chargers at the dealership? In a 10 hour day they can charge from 20-80% with 20 vehicles! An overnight single phase charge fills the tank, do they conduct 400km test drives on a daily basis?

@mikepickford1

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills I will try to spell this out for you... Customers do not walk in one at a time and ask to test drive a car, so having cars topped up and ready is a priority. Also, chargers placed in a service area of a car dealership are not just for the use of the dealership, but also customers. My main point however was not that a dealership only has 2 chargers, but they they COULD ONLY have 2 chargers because a major area in Northern Sydney was at grid capacity with ONLY 2 chargers and could not suport ANY more. Too bad if people are dumb enough to buy EVs and want to charge them - there are very few charge points in the area and no more CAN be installed without taking power from another area... and then they have the same issue. My point is that in Australia's biggest, most populous city, the grid is already at capacity and even if we had more power generation, the grid is already at max. Our government meanwhile thinks they can wave a magic wand and we will all be driving EVs in the next few years. Perhaps if we had unlimited money and 20 year to build many, many nuclear generators and upgrade our existing grid... Perhaps. AND before you dismiss all that by saying something stupid like "yes, but charge at home", if you are happy to live a life so restricted that you never venture more than a short distance from home and so never need to charge, good for you. You are in a tiny minority. Good luck finding supplies when you get to the local shops if they need to be delivered by battery trucks. For everyone else, your ideaological BS is totally unworkable.

Anything that contains the words "could" and "potential to" are usually describing something that probably won't work. I'm still waiting to hear what happened to the Australian entrepreneurs miraculous process that turned plastic back to petrol

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

It works, Japan did it 30 years ago, but it's never going to be Economically Feasible.

@normansaunders6891

3 ай бұрын

@@robertkubrick3738 Hi, Thanks. I remember the UK government agreeing to fund a process a couple of years ago but it disappeared into the ether. Not surprised that it was not economically viable though

@user-it7lf7kk8m

3 ай бұрын

They never are economically viable, that is the whole problem with recycling as well. Idiot politicians not making these schemes viable is part and parcel on the problem. They blow a lot of money on stuff that would never work but won't fund stuff that might or does.

@peeemm2032

2 ай бұрын

I think, in general, it may take more energy (and hence produce more CO2) to recycle plastic, than it does to make it from scratch (it definitely seems to be cheaper), which is one of the reasons there's not much recycling going on.....

@normansaunders6891

2 ай бұрын

@@peeemm2032 Hi, Thanks. It's probably the same as extracting hydrogen from water. Green seems to be a self cancelling ideology.

That comment took me back 25 years to uni when our plastics lecturer asked what lecture we had next and when we responded “ceramics” he said “ah, ceramics, the materials of the future….and always will be”. I studied Metallurgy and Material Engineering.

Imagine filling a petrol car at the same rate as EV car. According to EV car-nage real life data in the uk showed him filling his EV car at 26miles per hour. Filling my petrol car would take 15hours to fill the tank.

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

Car Nage is an idiot, he planned his journey to fail. Only fools start a long journey without filling up the tank before setting off, be that EV or ICE.

@HuFlungDung2

3 ай бұрын

​@iscadean3607It's good that you love it because nobody is interested in buying it off you. That's how you justify a bad purchase. Your battery is failing day by day.

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 Please don't try to confuse people with truth or logic, it hurts their pride!

@Tore_Lund

3 ай бұрын

If a Litre of gasoline contains 9kWh and the pump delivers one Litre per second, it is like charging with 32.4 MW or 72,000 kM/h!

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

For the vast majority of my mileage it takes around 10 seconds to charge the car, I simply plug it in as I get home, the Electric Fairy fills it up as I sleep, and it takes a few seconds to unplug in the morning. I never waste time at petrol stations. Nor do I waste my money there. On the rare occasion that I fill up at a public charger, I accept the premium costs, and fill up at the rate of between 2 and 5 miles a minute, normally whilst I use the toilets, stretch my legs or have a quick meal.

These new battery technologies have been know about for decades. There are problems which is why they have never been made commercially.

@HuFlungDung2

3 ай бұрын

​@iscadean3607So where are these wonder batteries, genius?

@anthonybarnes5555

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 Never mentioned scaling up or production. That wld not be a problem if the technology was viable. And ... why wld I buy a ev now when this new battery technology is just around the corner? Wld make current ev's worthless, scrap.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

@@anthonybarnes5555 worthless scrap, u mean cheap used cars.

@anthonybarnes5555

2 ай бұрын

@@RoyBoy-vq9iw Not cheap for the pple who bought new and now in negative equity. Dealer ships in uk already refusing to take evs as trade in's. cars you won't b able to scrap because breaker yards won't want to deal with the batteries. Second hand market will end determine the future of evs. Do you have details of the new battery tech you mentioned. What stage is new tech at. ETA for production.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

​@@anthonybarnes5555 negative equity isn't unique to BEV, dealerships are geared to ICE model of regular servicing & behind on training; BEV advantage disadvantages them, in turn they drag their feet on training which is a human failing, not just a tech failing (diagnostics are behind). Fair point on scrap & batteries re: legislative lag, however EU legislation is in place & Norway as usual can show the way & the economics. Which I concede may not be rosey for batteries for years, but preferable to ever longer fire seasons, droughts followed by 40 billion+ Euro floods. As mentioned by MGUY multiple times, infrastructure along with trending down costs will determine future of EV's; if they remained priced above luxury cars MGUY wouldn't even be monetizing the topic. e-LCV also won't care re: second hand, once up front & running costs (+charger installs) are proven they dive in big. For the 15min 4C battery "Shenxing" by CATL, entering volume production this year with initial estimated price reduction of 30% vs 1st gen LFP in Tesla's & BYD, pricey preview in Zeekr 001. Since Oct announcement they've revised to 50% price cut this year, and multiple manufacturers in NAM have purchased CATL production equipment to maintain IRA qualify while leap frogging ~4 years ahead on LFP. Unsure timelines re: NAM & Hungary plants, one thing I learned from BEV surprises over the last year is Chinese companies that are winning are doing so in part from rapid decent quality mass production (not perfect, but neither is ICE). There are other batteries M3P and Gold something? but i'm unsure on their relative pricing, timelines & realistic volumes.

Actually each reduction by 50% of charge time would require doubling the input. Those numbers grow very quickly to something that’s a total fantasy.

As Scotty used to say on Startreck 'Ah cannea alter the laws o' physics captain' !!😅😅

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Scotty's fictional Warp drive bent the laws of physics (without breaking them) to travel faster than light. CATL creates better & cheaper batteries every year, 4C battery (15 min charge) coming this year. Will MGUY note that at some point?

1. Sulphur lithium batteries have a high failure rate. 2. Sulphur has been removed from petrol and diesel due to pollution ( acid rain etc ). 3. Is all this sulphur that has been removed from petroleum fuels now being used to produce said batteries and then find it's way back into the environment when batteries are expired. 4. Mining/producing and refining sulphur requires a lot of heat ( i bet the energy for this comes from oil)

Current battery technology was 'just around the corner' 50 years ago.....the biggest problem is supplying the power to charge multiple vehicles at once.....

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

So the large charging stations haven't figured out how to exist? Gravity may have workable solution for high density installs, time will tell grids ability to handle dynamic loads; though grid batteries appear to help.

@bobstirling6885

2 ай бұрын

@@RoyBoy-vq9iw in the UK there are many charge stations that already struggle to pull enough power to run their chargers at capacity when busy, the grid is so far behind the wave it is going to struggle to catch up.

Good point that is lost on so many of the EV evangelists. They don't understand the logistics or the math

@XenonJohnD

3 ай бұрын

It's good that we have experts like you to put us straight with your expertise in battery chemistries, electricity grid, solar panel, motor design and the global economics of each. Normally you would need a degree from a good university in each field and maybe 10 years experience to know what you are talking about but hey, what do all those stupid engineers know ? It's really simple isn't it and everyone around you is just stupid.

@user-it7lf7kk8m

3 ай бұрын

No, a lot of it is common sense , and the ability to understand science and engineering rather than just relying on hope and desire.

@intrance96

3 ай бұрын

@@XenonJohnD You talking to yourself?

@hiflyer000

3 ай бұрын

@@XenonJohnD Experts in all of these fields have weighed in and all agree it will take a MASSIVE infrastructural upgrade (probably in the hundreds of trillions of dollars) to support widespread EV adoption.

@GregoryStevens-hm4ix

3 ай бұрын

Tell me about it. I can't get them to realize that a 80% rise in sales is not the most sold car on the earth, as their piece of the 100% pie represents only 20% of it. Out of 279 million registered cars in the US, only about 3 million are EV's, so they could double their sales and still come way short of being in the same ball park as ICE cars. And they seem to forget that ICE cars are also selling more than EV's just because of the massive numbers of them according to their sales figures. I'm about to give up trying to explain logic to them, their minds can't comprehend the term and I'm plain tired of trying to teach them, you gotta have more than 2 brain cells to learn with...

The first red flag - University of Adelaide. Let me guess. It’s been done on a small battery the size of my finger and they’ve rushed out with a paper to no doubt get grants. The bottom line if this was a workable tech every company would be crawling over it and offering billions.

@jackmorganfiftyfive

3 ай бұрын

As a scientist recently said: "If I produce a research paper I'll add at the end a paragraph about climate change. That'll ensure I will get my grant money to pay for my wages."

@secondchance6603

3 ай бұрын

"All our science is just a cookery book, with an orthodox theory of cooking that nobody's allowed to question, and a list of recipes that mustn't be added to except by special permission from the head cook." - The guy that wrote a book about a world that's brave that YT won't let me name without blocking me if I do.

And what Liberal/Green politician is going to approve the expansion of generation capacity to meet this EV Dream?

@EllieMaes-Grandad

3 ай бұрын

Spending billion$ on EV charging when enough "ICE charging" (aka gas stations) already exist. Goverments sure know how to waste taxpayers' money . . .

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Grids have to be upgraded regardless of BEV or political party. A/C's don't run on dreams either.

@phils4634

2 ай бұрын

Going nuclear won't happen overnight either. Takes YEARS to build a NPP, and even if Aus. imports the technology from e.g. Russia, it'll still take YEARS for the construction (seeing as how slow we are here, possibly 25 - 30 years). Those years we do NOT have even to manage existing electrical power demand. Add in EV demand, and it's going to be very interesting indeed.

@panjacek6674

2 ай бұрын

Better to expand generation capacity than send billions of $ to Arabs, Russians etc every year and be vulnerable to oil price fluctuations

A related issue on this point is that electricity doesn't 'sit' in the power lines waiting for someone to use it. It's either used as it is generated or it goes to waste. That's always been a problem with electricity. The idea that massive batteries are going to hold enough electricity to 'dump' huge quantities into the local power lines is ludicrous. You first need batteries that can dump that amount of power without failing after 10-15 cycles due to massive overheating. And this is just the first issue with claims that storage batteries are going to solve all the remaining problems. Such claims are right up there with 'the charging time problem has a solution that's right around the corner, it'll be here any day, just you wait.' And wait, and wait....

The future is with 20 yr old ICE vehicles.

I just respond to that sort of nonsense with something like, gasoline engines that get 2000 miles per gallon are just around the corner

Considering it took 80 years for the li- ion improvement from lead acid it seems to me you would need to believe in unicorns to expect the next significant change in the next 5 years. Not only that but the next generation would need to improve the situation by a factor of 1000% minimum in terms of weight, bulk and speed of charging, not only that 100% safety and longer life for less cost are also essential. I can’t help seeing this as a way to remove our freedoms rather than simply improving the environment.

I've been watching you for a long time now. You're a voice of sanity in this global insanity of electrification.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

No, he cherry picks items that play well with certain folks. Look up CATL 4C battery, track that along with e-LCV sales.

@OLD_CROW

2 ай бұрын

You still need current to charge ANY battery. Where's that coming from?@@RoyBoy-vq9iw

HOW TRUE !! They have forgoten about the grid !!!

@ElementofKindness

3 ай бұрын

Also makes one wonder, why has (at least in the USA) home electrical service gone from 60 amp, to 100 amp, to 200 amp, to 400 amp in the course of the last 70 years? Doesn't exactly sound like we are becoming more energy efficient at all.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

@@ElementofKindness excellent point, as we do (heat pumps) that extra service capacity can go to BEV or other items.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

That's what fossil shills would like you to believe.

I'm glad you have the scientific background to expose the pit falls of increasing battery charging speed. Faster charging means energy being transferred at a faster rate which means higher power transfer so that the grid and the charging stations will be under greater pressure.

@simonengvall7433

2 ай бұрын

I guess this person does not have any experience himself of owning an electric car. The amount of power needed is correct and new types of batteries are needed to make that happen. However what is needed is to make charging available at home is key to drivning an electric car. HPCs should not be the first choice of charging. Do you want examples how this is working look at Norway where soon half of the cars are EVs. Keep on charging and enjoy the power 😅

I've been hearing that somebody just invented a new kind of battery that will change the world for the past 20 years.

@TheBandit7613

Ай бұрын

And scientists have been thru the Periodic table, there's no new elements out there. There are no big surprises on the horizon. We got what we got. There will be no magic batteries.

This is always good stuff!

I agree Simon. And there's still far too many places in Australia that you can't go in an EV because of the lack of charging infrastructure. Like almost everything that government does there has been no forward thinking or planning to ensure that everywhere is accessible in an EV and able to recharge and make the return journey. Labor governments in Australia are known for having bright ideas and not thinking through the issue that come with their madness.

I can not imagine the size of the cable and plug to charge that fast. If One fails to get a great connection it would create a amazing light show with 🔥 works.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

3x 16mm cable is good for 240 amps....

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

The supply cables to the car are often cooled. Strangely the engineers involved in the EV world are able to plan for these eventualities. But that doesn't make for good click bait.

@chrisbaker8533

3 ай бұрын

@@solentbumbeing 'cooled' doesn't negate the potential for a bad contact creating an arc, you muppet. Also, the ability for a typical human to out smart any engineer in the most ludicrous ways is astounding.

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

@@chrisbaker8533 Coooling is just part of the safety interlocks built into the charger system.

@chrisbaker8533

3 ай бұрын

@@solentbum Dude, you have no comprehension of what is even being discussed.

Large countries like USA or Australia have deserts to cross and l wouldn't want to risk doing that in an EV. Even if there were charging points.

Very fast charging will only solve one thing: the charging time. These batteries will degrade even faster and will require even higher amps which means the power grid will be strained even more, and it's already unable to keep up with current demand. So by removing (?) one problem this actually worsens other problems. I fear California will be forced to place high capacity diesel generators to keep up with the demand 🤣

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Only if they don't improve them. 1st gen LFP shows ~2% degradation vs 6-10% for previous chemistries.

@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563

Ай бұрын

Most charging stations in CA are powered by diesel generators.

In America, the calculation is pretty simple. If all motor vehicles were to go electric, the generating capacity of the country would have to double. Needless to say, no such plans are in the works.

As an electrician, you are spot on, you will still require an incredible amount of electricity which we do not have. Charging at home if you are organised negates the lengthy charging times and an EV works for someone perhaps retired who does not do much mileage or a mum on the school run and shopping etc. A very good friend of mine was one of the first to get an EV ( a Jaguar) in the UK so I am very aware of the difficulties charging can present in going out of your way to locate a charger adding to journey time, charger occupied or not working and the extra overall time involved. We require other options too. I believe Ev's are a partial answer.

@DwaynePipes

3 ай бұрын

What is the tipping point in annual mileage that makes home charging not a viable option?🤔

To charge an EV in 5 minutes would be a huge amount of amps passing through a wire as big around as a redwood tree, or voltages that are high enough to fry a tyrannosaurus. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and, thanks.

@Bryan-Hensley

3 ай бұрын

8,200 amps at 220v for a 150 kWh battery for a 5 minute charge. I updated this comment.

@VK4VO

3 ай бұрын

@@Bryan-Hensley Ohms law buddy,,, P=V x I power (watts) = volts multiplied by amps (i) so 150,000 watts is 150,000 divided by 220 is 680amps. If you had a 150kw EV at home and plug into a proper EV box, the MAX it will allow you to pull is 3 to 5 kw. So a 150kw battery would take 30 hours if you draw 5kw,,,, the max a single phase house is 7.2kw but you can't dedicate that amount to an EV charge box.

@Bryan-Hensley

3 ай бұрын

@@VK4VO you aren't including time. It's kWh battery. You are probably correct for changing an hour. I didn't recheck.

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

@@VK4VO The standard EV home charger in the UK is sized at 7Kw. The standard electricity supply is up to 100 Amps at the main fuse, although many are still at 80 amps. We regularly charge three EV simultaneously , two at 7 Kw, one at 3 kw, plus two washing machines and two dishwashers operating , All on very low priced leccy overnight.

@Bryan-Hensley

3 ай бұрын

@@VK4VO it's harder to calculate a Watt hour battery when you change it less than an hour. My calculations are correct. You have to take that 680 amps over an hour and squish it to 5 minutes.. w We are talking about charging it in 5 minutes.. I updated my first comment. The original post was talking about charging in 5 minutes.

I have a long working background in electrical and electronics and a family in engineering. My frustration with renewables per say is that most people only hear and repeat the ideology without any real understanding whatsoever of the engineering. Granted, I admit most of those people do not want to understand the tech explanations - and I can understand that too, but you also know that they mostly only listen to what they want to hear. The whole people thing to me "tis a puzzlement" !

@samhudson8033

3 ай бұрын

people are sheep mate , tell them its ok till its not lol

@Mc674bo

3 ай бұрын

Me too but long retired , the concept of the EV is basically flawed yet they still keep pushing the idea . And I’m afraid that governments are totally ignorant of power distribution , and how it operates . They even think that renewable energy will fill the gap , the lack of fundamental knowledge is quite staggering . Yet nobody who is in the loop is prepared to put their head above the parapet . So the nonsense will continue, till the inevitable happens . No power no nothing , then no doubt they will say as one (lessons will be learned ). Yer right,fat chance no chance 😂

Translation, another University begging for some more funding :P

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

Yours has been the only comment that I can agree with. The extracts that MGUY read out were full of possible, maybe's , etc. But MGUY likes to read out fluff pieces.

New just around the corner technology. Fusion power has been just around the corner, a few years away for the last 3 decades!

Lithium battery technology is many decades old. There's little more that can be done to improve it. The fact that bettery technology was investigated many decades ago should tell everyone all that they need to know - that all avenues of technology have been investigated. I liken those claiming that a breakthrough is just around the corner to the same people who shout that thorium reactors will soon be made (that too was investigated decades ago and is just as radioactive as current nuclear reactors. The same people also claim that hubless wheels will become the norm - they won't. Again, all of it has already been investigated.

@jackking5567

3 ай бұрын

@@diecastb Nope. You're wrong. Lithium tech was developed just after WW2. It's old tech. It cannot be improved. The things you're stating are either irrelivent or useless. Tiny tiny improvements in battery performance mean nothing in the scale of things. Not once did I mention costs lowering. So a battery costs less? So what? It still doesn't change the fact that the batteries are utterly useless in the vehicle applications they're being placed into.

@sirjohng1

3 ай бұрын

There were battery cars in the late 19th Century.

Plus at that power usage to charge a car could anyone lift the charging cable as it could be about a 1ft diameter.

@chrisbaker8533

3 ай бұрын

They'll just use "bullshitium" for the cable.

@sirjohng1

3 ай бұрын

Urs thieves could cut it up in minutes for the copper😂

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Check your math, 500kwh chargers by Gravity are manageable.

Grid can't even support todays charging speed. If you go to a larger charging station and all the stations are at use at the same time, you are lucky if you you can reach a third of the promised charging speed.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Half is typical on current legacy installs, new installs with better tech (Gravity) shows we aren't limited to one model. Grid demand not linear as savings occur due to efficiencies while adding BEV's & data centers. (Google IEA grid demand) Grid capacity upgrades are feasible given recent history of national grid build outs, this time with more options beyond nuclear.

The real issue is energy density. Even the best batteries still lag petrol by a factor of ~100

@garyspencersalt9449

3 ай бұрын

Correct a liter of petrol is 8.8 kw and occupies 0.001 cubic meters for 700 grams. It a high bar to jump for any competing technology

@organickevinlondon

3 ай бұрын

@@garyspencersalt9449 a gallon of petrol has the equivalent of 33 kWh of electrical energy, my Mini Cooper Electric will easily do 132 miles on 33 kWh and up to a staggering 190 miles on 33 kWh, and my old Mini Cooper ICE, struggled to do 40 miles on its gallon of petrol, so an EV can cover, 3 and 1/2 to almost 5 times the distance of an ICE, using the same amount of energy, ICE= DEAD DUCK.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

​@@organickevinlondon good info, do you have a link?

@organickevinlondon

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebillsjust Google it and do some maths.

@partymanau

3 ай бұрын

The energy in a litre of petrol or diesel is fantastic. Add to that u can carry it at room temp in bloody coke bottle. Hydrocarbons will take some beating.

HI, where is the govt going to get the tax it now gets from ICE vehicles? Power prices I think the taxpayer as usual most who don't want EVs as is stated EVs have a place as city run arounds short trips

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Consider the $$ saved by reducing oil subsidies. Consider extra tax revenue from power companies (in Oz oil companies avoid tax)

I can imagine that, one day soon, there will be an article saying "we can harness thunderstorm lightning to charge our EV's in milliseconds".

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

Supercapacitors might be able to do something useful with lightning (with protections), but lasers needed to trigger / direct lightning are pretty hungry (5 terawatts) themselves.

50-100 years before we get any real new battery tech

@Bryan-Hensley

3 ай бұрын

Graphene might do it but I've got my doubts they'll ever figure out how to mass produce graphene cheap

@gabrielhillceo

3 ай бұрын

In 2080, things will be better. By then, the technology should be as they currently want it.

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

@@gabrielhillceo Not even then. They are wasting all the resources they would need for success then on poor efforts Now.

@gabrielhillceo

3 ай бұрын

@robertkubrick3738 You could be right. I see failures daily with battery modules. It is a non-stop headache. I'm looking to leave next year because of it.

@wizzyno1566

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Bryan-Hensley"graphene" is used like a Hogwarts magic spell by those who know nothing.

I still hold out hope for some significant improvement in both battery and solar panels, but it is the faintest of hope and as you have said - it still won't make EVs viable on a mass scale.

@nosferatut9084

3 ай бұрын

Please explain why we need them in the first place when Anthropogenic climate change is a SCAM and bald faced lie and we haven't even begun to mine the hydrocarbon, Petroleum which is Abiotic and not a fossil fuel.

@Galerak1

3 ай бұрын

I'm still not convinced that solar is the answer either. All those solar panels soaking up the sun's energy, heating up and causing warm air thermals above them. Get fields of these and they'll start affecting the local weather patterns, as more and more of them are required how long before they start affecting the weather patterns on a national, and then global scale. They're supposed to be the 'green' option and be better for the environment but eventually they'll end up doing more harm than good.

@BlueBD

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Galerak1none of this works on large scale, all these benefits are Purely for personal benefit. Ironically the same people that claims its for the environment ignore the Very same destruction it causes by pure land size required, Ethiopia plans to build a great dam up the Nile. This would provide them with an excellent source of power. The downside is that said damn will create a reservoir so large its effectivly an inland sea. All off that land and its systems replaced by a massive lake. Solar, wind, hydro. None of these are as "clean" as they claim it is. Everything has a downside along side it and this downside can be partially mitigated by seperating it from larger scales. Having people be able to effectively power their own homes on a minimal level would help far more then building a massive solarfarm that needs 3 other sources of generation to meet demands. But if people generate their own power then that means less money for the companies

@user-fg7jk9cq1b

3 ай бұрын

Still hold out ....the faintest of hope? I thought "you idiot", then went and bought a lottery ticket. My hypocrisy knows no bounds.

@OmegaZyion

3 ай бұрын

I've done the math, and solar will likely never be the answer. Assuming a solar panel with 100% efficiency under perfect weather conditions, you need 117 square meters or 1260 square feet of said mythological solar panels to charge one EV in under 5 minutes. And that's because there's only so much energy in a ray of sunlight. That might not seem like allot, but when you take into account the shear number of vehicles in use in a day, it becomes unsustainable.

It would still mean that the infrastructure must be there and some people would not be able to charge their EVs at home, due to the location. Some people live in flats and would not be able to do this. The process of charging is for the few, not the many.

@solentbum

3 ай бұрын

In the UK it is around 60% of households that can currently have a 'home' charger. Are you suggesting that those people should be denied that opportunity because some others cannot?

@normanstratford9329

3 ай бұрын

@@solentbum yes.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

@@normanstratford9329 high density building have commensurate electrical service. Is it harder due to space limitations, yes parking wise, impossible no. Jury is out for me, but Gravity street 200kwh units look interesting, by design operate (auto throttle) within a local grids peak envelope; which is quite high to allow for cooking & kettles for slivers of time. Admittedly not convenient vs overnight charging, but the real cost of petrol will force the situation in the medium term.

The only way to get around the issue is of supplying power is to be going nuclear. In tens years the panic button will have been hit and SMRs will become the only quick fix

@Gumbatron01

3 ай бұрын

Even with nuclear, the grid infrastructure to allow for such high power demands is not in place. They would have to go nuclear AND replace a large proportion of the entire country's electrical grid.

@entropyachieved750

3 ай бұрын

@@Gumbatron01 this is true. Might be a case of having a charging facility in an industrial area with a SMR supplying it that people drive to to be quickly charged. Who knows what the future is going to be like but I agree at the moment it's not doable.

@user-fg7jk9cq1b

3 ай бұрын

10's of years? The panic button was smashed a long time ago. That's why we see all these crazy, ill-conceived environmental policies that ignore reality. I agree that nuclear is the answer. I mean, if you can have nuclear powered subs, why not a SMR nuclear powered SUV? Think of the mileage! I want a motorbike! [only joking, my friend]

@mxfool1508

3 ай бұрын

Can't we just invent a Mr Fusion Home Energy Reactor, as in Back to the future

@entropyachieved750

3 ай бұрын

@@mxfool1508 you supply the flux capacitor

Appreciate your work, Mguy!

The only solution that could work at this point in tech is using a standardized battery cell (a pack with smaller internal cells obviously) and build cars using a standardised bottom plate on which a number of those cells can be placed. It could save lots of raw materials for those (most) that only require a longer range occasionally. The charging can also take place at more sensible places (safer and less grid loading) and filling up the car would again only take minutes. It would also mean cars can be transported more safely with no fire hazardous materials on board. They could also live much longer by generally charging them slowly. The value of a vehicle would also not be influenced by the battery state. It just does not make sense to glue a battery into a vehicle as is done now.

@vincenzodigrande2070

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 And who are you?

@vincenzodigrande2070

3 ай бұрын

@iscadean3607 Just read a few of your other comments. Who am I even arguing with here. Obviously Elon fanboy troll material. Mic drop....

And even if you increased the capacity of the grid with copper wires as thick as your arm to cope with the huge power demand... You would end up with an unstable system that would have to cope with huge fluctuations in demand depending on how many vehicles were plugged in. No way a thermal power station could cope with that. Even hydro would struggle. Using wind or solar would be ridiculous.

@jackmorganfiftyfive

3 ай бұрын

I think we are beyond facts now. This is a religion of believers and deniers where facts don't matter anymore.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Nonsense

@j_sum1

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills Go on. Provide a counterargument. Wind and solar are not controllable sources and so are unsuitable as adjustable despatchable power. Hydro can respond to demand changes quickly. Gas less so. Coal takes even more time to change. Large fluctuations in demand cause stress at the generation as well as the distribution. If it is nonsense as you say, refute any one of these claims.

@j_sum1

2 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills 24 hours later. Still no counterargument. If you can't do the research, then admit it. Or remove your accusation of "nonsense".

Volvo has been testing electric articulated Lorrie’s in France with on board diesel generators. In the UK, and by assumption the EU, articulated Lorrie’s have been ‘allowed’ to be increased in length. Is there a connection between loss of load space for diesel generators and a compensation by increased length. Oh, hang on, does that mean they are going to be heavier, like much heavier (plus weight of battery and plus weight of diesel charger and fuel). The insane nut jobs in UK are pushing heat pumps for home heating, these require electricity to heat up in cold weather, and as you say EV charging will massively increase electricity demand on a system that they tell us and is being created to run on wind and solar. This is in a generally cold wet country. INSANE IS TOO KIND. OUTRIGHT EVIL IS NEARER THE TRUTH.

All true and good points. I would challenge you on the statement that for ICE "you just need a pipe" whereas you can't do that with electricity. Well, the analogy of pipes & wires, batteries and fuel tanks does work - and work well. The issue you rightly point out is just rate of flow and quantity. Currently with EV - the power in the battery is comparatively small - half to a third of a petrol tank. The transfer of energy from the station to the car is much greater for ICE. I don't have figures but I would expect it to be in the order of hundreds of times faster to "power up" the tank. The "battery" store (underground tanks) in a normal fuel station is vast compared to an EV station - which likely has none (probably it should have - but I don't know if anyone has figured out how to do that viably yet). EV's really need batteries that store triple the power at a quarter of the cost and half the weight to be a serious alternative. They also need to improve the fire & explosion issues. And be less delicate. And until the number of EV charging stations 10 or 50 X's they should really have a "get you home" ICE backup - well, in Australia/US anyway. The whole EV thing should be a rich mans toy. They have the money to throw at all this so it gets figured out - and if it is made workable - great. Till then, I think you know the answer.

A E-Semi charging station on the highway would draw a medium sized city. A megawatt sized charging cable would be a serious challenge... And slap 10-20 of those chargers in one truck stop? Or 50 of them? ouch.

I’m thinking the black outs created when these cars get charged, is something they also want, it’ll inconvenience none electric car users.

New battery tech has been around the corner for 30 years now. Battery tech is mature.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Nonsense! If it was mature battery pack prices wouldn't be reducing and energy density increasing. New sodium based battery factory under construction in USA. LFP batteries have eliminated cobalt and nickel.

Every week, we hear about a "breakthrough" from a "lab" for a completely new type of "battery" that within the year will surpass gasoline as a fuel for car. And you feel like a killjoy when you point out that the time from lab to being placed into a car will take at least a decade, probably longer, assuming that costs are low and full-scale production is simple.

So we reduce the amount of power to the grid by closing coal fired power stations, and we better also close down the gas fired power stations as well. So in the middle of winter, if it is not windy there will not be electricity to charge car batteries, but then again said car batteries might be powering the homes. The car batteries will miraculously recharge them selves when the vehicle is being driven during the day.

Charging is the biggest problem, who know if the battery is getting damaged because of fast charge and stuff?

@EllieMaes-Grandad

3 ай бұрын

A day will arrive when we know the answer - and EV owners will be very upset . . .

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

@@EllieMaes-Grandad 1st gen LFP has ~2% degradation vs LNMC 6-10%.

If the government just limited people to only 15minutes per week in their cars … then EVs would become a practical reality for everyone … and we could permanently end war, inequality, poverty, crime, micro aggressions, illiteracy, injustice, homelessness, national borders, meat, rental increases, pollution, greed and corporate fascism … all at the same time ! Did I miss anything?

@realstevieb7201

3 ай бұрын

Eat zee bugs

Finally you talk sense. People don't get charging rate I agree with you.

I’ve done 17,000 miles in my EV in 14 months. In the first year I waited a total of 108 minutes while DC charging (KIA 800v) That’s less time then I would have spent filling my old car at a petrol station. The tech is already very good

"Where the Hell is my jet pack" - Tim Wilson

@Lemmon714_

3 ай бұрын

I miss little Timmy Wilson. Thankfully I got to see him live.

@Lemmon714_

3 ай бұрын

I think you messed up on one of the words in "Where the Hell is my jet pack".

Until we invent a safe, small, efficient nuclear reactor powered generator…..

Free energy machines are also 'just around the corner"

Well done. Thank you.

Even if a car can charge in 5 minutes, all the cars in the city will still use a lot of energy every day and that energy has to come from power plants. This is not going to be real good until we get electricity made by nuclear fusion, which is just around the corner.

@Aimless6

3 ай бұрын

You misspelled "witch".

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

Where is this corner? I think I need to get some girls working it because it seems to get a lot of traffic.

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

Energy comes from the grid, off peak when there is plenty of excess supply!

@robertkubrick3738

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills So BEV are fueled by COAL primarily. Glad you finally admit that. Unless you are one of those charging with Solar at night. LOL

Electric vehicles, such as the TOYOTA PRIUS, have been around successfully for many years. The demand for EV's remained small. As today, there are those who prefer an EV in that it meets their needs. This forced agenda of EV changeover has no advantage for the majority. A gradual change would happen if the infrastructure was there and the ability of EV's to offer the same performance as ICE vehicles progressed. The whole thing stinks of Government control and the support of certain corporations who are involved in EV domination. Like the companies supplying wind turbines and solar panels there is Corporate and Government deals going on which have nothing to do with the environment.

@GrimReaper-ly8zk

3 ай бұрын

Prius is not an EV. It is hybrid. Petrol engine to charge batteries that have no more than 5km range if doing 50km/h.

@rustykilt

3 ай бұрын

@@GrimReaper-ly8zk so hybrids are not subject to battery issues?

@mickjoebills

3 ай бұрын

​@@rustykilthybrids catch fire at twice the rate of an ICE. BEVs at 1/20th rate of ICE.

@rustykilt

3 ай бұрын

@@mickjoebills I was trying to make the point that HYBRIDS are as much a threat as EV's. though not pure EV's. they still use batteries that pose a threat.

Well said. I have been trying to pound this message into people's heads for a couple of years now but it never seems that they listen. What would I know?

Bravo Sir

If everyone stopped buying the things, the whole thing would collapse ............simple

@NeverGonaHappen

3 ай бұрын

Problem is there's no cure for stupidity. Some people STILL believe that the government is there to help!

@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR

3 ай бұрын

@@NeverGonaHappen exactly my friend

All these EV experts who claim to know it all yet have never owned or driven an EV. Their claims rarely reflect EV owners experience and yet they still bang on with the misleading 2nd and 3rd hand nonsense they heard whilst flogging in the echo chamber.

@secondchance6603

3 ай бұрын

So if you own an EV that suddenly makes you an 'expert' on them and if you don't you have no business talking about them because you're not an, 'expert' on them? I don't have to be a cynologist to know about dogs but according to you I would, it's called 'research'. Look it up you might learn something and become an, 'expert' on what the word means.

@Gazza-rv8ud

3 ай бұрын

Certainly much more credible after 3 years than some keyboard warrior who claims to know it all without actually ever having owned or driven one. @@secondchance6603

@Gazza-rv8ud

3 ай бұрын

Most Cynologists would not continually advertise their ignorance by spreading false and misleading information on public forums.@@secondchance6603

@Gazza-rv8ud

3 ай бұрын

Spreading 2nd hand false info does not qualify as research.@@secondchance6603

@Gazza-rv8ud

3 ай бұрын

No business spreading false info for sure.@@secondchance6603

About 5 years ago during a federal election campaign the then opposition leader, Bill Shorten, claimed EVs that could fully charge in as little as 10 minutes would soon be available. I remember wondering what would happen if just 20,000 such cars were plugged in at once to a trendy new 'clean and green' solar power grid. The sun would dim!

Comes with "included" power station. But wait, there's more !

@secondchance6603

3 ай бұрын

I can sell you a nuclear generator.. if you give me time.

In my PChem class back in the day, our professor drew a graph on the blackboard that was a triangle. He labeled the points of the triangle with the letters F, C, and G. He said that in the real world, things can be brought to market if they are cheap, the production is fast, and the product quality is good. He finished this off with, "You can pick any 2 of these and this is how most products get to market". So, it's usually a matter of selecting which one of these characteristics you're willing to give up. I'm wondering if any of these EV companies or their engineers were ever exposed to such an idea.

I suspect that as AI becomes more capable (let's say 2-3 years) new battery constructions should emerge. That will probably take around 3-5 years to get to market, so anything from 5-8 years for new batteries that have better capacity and faster charging. Great. So within 5 years they have to double the electrical grid. As best I know, except for the very early years where doubling didn't mean much, the grid has never doubled in a 5 year period. Let's see how this plays out. Oh, wait, I forgot that due to AI unemployment will probably reach 50% or more within 5 years, so that will halve the number of EV sales, that will help.

@RoyBoy-vq9iw

2 ай бұрын

4C battery entering volume production this year, with lower degredation. Doubling has happened if you go back far enough, Google: ourworldindata grid capacity increases by year. Modern times, double line capacity quickly by reconducting transmission lines; though indeed not the entire grid as we generate a lot these days. Theoretically possible with nuclear but fortunately not needed for ~30% higher demand (USA context, EngineeringExplained) from passenger BEV charging mostly at night. re: AI, heh don't agree with timeline but well said / argued.

The lithium battery in my 2022 Tesla Model Y LR is 81 kWh. and I get 325 miles of range. My Level 2 charger in my garage pumps out 25 amps at 240 V or 6,000 watts At that level I get 22 miles charged per hour Well 325 miles divide by 22 Miles charged per hour = 15 hours to charge it from 0% to 100% Of course Tesla wants the charge to always be between 20% to 80% and if you exceed that you kill the battery by some unknown amount. So 60% of 325 mile range is 195 miles and charging at 22 miles per hour = 9 hours to charge it. To charge faster means pumping in much more than 6,000 watts to charge at 10 times that speed means 60,000 watts needs to be pumped in and at 240 volts that's 250 amps my house only has a 200 amp breaker panel - that means adding another panel Charging at your house is still going to be measured in many many hours of charging.

@roberttownsend339

3 ай бұрын

Crazy figures. Meanwhile I go to my local fuel station and put 600 miles of range in my tank in 5 minutes. For me EVs have a long way to go before they become practical. But I think it could happen one day.

@jackmorganfiftyfive

3 ай бұрын

Your insurance company will be 'happy' that you charge your EV near your house. Eventually that will impact your home and content insurance.

@ramb5193

3 ай бұрын

I don’t where do you get your numbers or whether you even own an EV. Tesla Model Y has 82 kWh battery, and the home charger is 11kw. To charge your car 0-100% it will take 8 hours 15 minutes. If you want to charge 80%, it would take only about 6 hours at home using the Tesla home charger

@noleftturns

3 ай бұрын

@@ramb5193 You have a different battery chemistry...

@ramb5193

3 ай бұрын

@@noleftturns just refer Tesla specs on their website

Simon, I'll put this on my list right next commercial fusion power. its only 10 years away now!

@sirjohng1

3 ай бұрын

Is that like the Greta promised End of our World in ten years prediction?

*This video is citing a problem of transition -- building out the grid infrastructure -- not an intrinsic problem of EVs themselves. There was a time when there were horses everywhere but no petrol distribution infrastructure as well. Which is to say the demands on the power grid aren't some problem requiring wild new technologies like fusion, they merely require building out what we already know how to do extremely well.*