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@Elsa-rq2ty

2 жыл бұрын

@Rapunzel ♪ i didnt know that 😍

@mikeadams7904

2 жыл бұрын

Go away now!!

@emitlevart7155

2 жыл бұрын

They're Written By Children for childish minds so people growing up become dumber and easier to control.

@cestusfr

2 жыл бұрын

PLEASE review the new 4400!

@sdfried4877

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Drinker, I recommend a series (or was a movie?) called Manhunt: Deadly Games. Despite the tawdry title I found it to be a very pleasant surprise, especially for something on Netflix. It took all your preconceived notions about characters and turned them around. It was adapted from a book that was supposedly based on real life (The aftermath of the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing). I knew about Jewel but did not know the rest of the story. If you’ve seen it, I’d love your opinion.

Personally think of it like this: most older movies were stories, most modern movies are spectacles.

@user-we3eg9vs8z

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually about right.

@LadyAmalthea0615

2 жыл бұрын

True. Just like adaptions today aren't about telling the story. They're about changing the story.

@agiksf.8998

2 жыл бұрын

This is the reason I can't stand when ppl on YT rate Marvel movies higher than an actually good movie with a story and character development. Just because it's a good spectacle with nice fights and VFX. ... effin tragic.

@putty-e2872

2 жыл бұрын

we have technology to improve spectacles, but our technology did not improve stories or dialogue. The best we had is AI writing story like a drunk children.

@boottothehead1839

2 жыл бұрын

Nail on the head

Have you noticed the increase in “adult” language? In the old movies, swearing isn’t used unless the dialogue demands it to make the lines more impactful. Today they sound like 8 year olds on Xbox live.

@norwegianblue2017

Жыл бұрын

Especially for female characters. I guess the writers think a foul-mouthed woman is "empowering".

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the 1 swear policy, where you only have 1 swear in the entire movie to make that 1 scene more impactful.

@Skitdora2010

Жыл бұрын

"Well, double dumb ass to you!" Colorful metaphors were used to emphasize they were back in time in Star Trek 4 The Voyage Home. Like Kirk said, nobody back in time "would listen to you unless you swore every other word. You will find it in all the literature of the period."

@ach2lieber

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I noticed the very same thing and wrote a comment about it before I saw your comment. The characters swear so much, especially the women, that swearing loses all meaning. It makes every character come across as an amateur, and unworthy of respect.

@patrioticcat5768

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing they must think they're rebels. Rebelling against the old way of writing and character creating. So they make use of foul language because it's silly to hear that from star trek. Have the attitude of children and just come off as "im this way and not changing for anyone" rather than be professional as an academy would most likely teach you to be like.

"Losing control is not a sign of strength. It's a sign of deep weakness and insecurity" THIS!!!!!!!

@nalgene247

3 ай бұрын

Hah. I was going to quote this exact phrase when your comment popped up. The algorithm must be getting to know me.

@noob_boi4726

2 ай бұрын

Just when I read this, that exact moment appeared in the video.

I think part of this ultimately comes down to the life experiences and history of the individuals actually writing the story. Since you mentioned Star Trek, let’s look at Gene Roddenberry for example… this is a guy who flew 89 combat missions during WW2 and worked as a commercial pilot after the war. He later joined the LAPD and eventually got involved in the entertainment industry after becoming a liaison on shows like Dragnet. My point is that all of these life experiences fed into his ideas and inspirations when it came to Star Trek (as well as more traditional inspirations such as other works of fiction like John Carter of Mars and Tarzan). Now compare this to people like Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci who co-wrote both of the JJ Abrams-directed Star Trek movies. The two of them met in high school, and after university went straight into writing for syndicated television, which eventually led to progressively bigger and more high-profile gigs. My reason for making this comparison is: what inspiration did the latter duo have to draw from when writing THEIR Star Trek? The answer is nothing except for _previous Star Trek_ (and other sci-fi movies). That’s why Star Trek into Darkness was such an inept, lacklustre rehash of Wrath of Khan, because Kurtzman and Orci remember _watching_ that movie as kids, and have fond memories of it, but have nothing new or original to actually bring to the table. And I’m not suggesting here that in order to write compelling stories you need to have literally gone to war or been a cop, I’m simply talking about LIFE experiences _outside_ of your career as a “writer”… and that can be literally anything from working in a factory to being a fisherman or even just working in a convenience store (such as Kevin Smith who went on to make Clerks which launched his career). The problem as I see it is that way too many leading names in the entertainment industry these days just seem to be individuals who came out of high school/university and straight into a career in filmmaking. Often times this can be attributed simply to nepotism but in many cases that’s not necessarily the case. Even people who gain success in the industry by starting relatively low and working their way up, (while commendable in its own right) still lack the vital life experiences _outside_ of the industry to write compelling and convincing narratives.

@tomhaskett5161

Жыл бұрын

You give some interesting history about Gene Roddenberry, thanks! Good insight about life experiences going into entertainment. I think the same should apply to teachers.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Hancock Books, especially biographies are a wonderful and detailed source to inspire other writers. Many authors said that if you don't read more than you write, it's impossible to write a good story and it's absolutely true.

@limpet9

Жыл бұрын

Teachers being another example. I worked for about 14 years as a school technician and the few excellent teachers had generally had a variety of previous jobs. The most selfish, entitled and lazy fuckers had all gone from school to university, to teacher training college, and then back to school. It was an eye opener.

@Shoegazebasedgenre0.

Жыл бұрын

Gene are basically the Tolkien of Sci-fi. both guys went through war and wrote a story based on their hard experiences of went through hell and back.

@leoncoben6983

Жыл бұрын

I do believe that there is a way for a writer to grow and mature into a good story teller without having to have much life experience if they are also willing to listen and learn from the past generation. Many writers based their stories off of what they heard from their parents or grandparents, others took bits and pieces from other works and jammed them into a creative idea of originality, while some wrote from the deep understanding of autobiographies. But these still share something that most of these immature, bratty people don't have, respect and humility.

What's worse is when you have a serious film where the adults act like children and the children act like adults.

@TheMistyBlueLounge

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a lot of lame horror movies.

@SynnJynn

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much all Disney kids shows. The father is always and idiot.

@1112viggo

2 жыл бұрын

At least it fits well with the men acting like women and visa verse trend.

@sdfried4877

2 жыл бұрын

@@SynnJynn Nickelodeon started that shit.

@josephsalmonte4995

2 жыл бұрын

Even *Worse* is nowadays you have tiny women fighting like huge males & huge males with the power of tiny women 😞

Glad to see someone else sees this. My dad puts it this way "Imagine a group of middle schoolers coming together to rewrite all classic films and IPs. That's modern media."

@KUROSHURA

2 жыл бұрын

My sentiments exactly

@panzerkeks8530

2 жыл бұрын

pretty spot on!

@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed this problem, without being able to fully articulate it, when they "remade" the movie Red Dawn.

@melaniesmith1313

2 жыл бұрын

Your dad nailed it.

@kaptinbarfbeerd1317

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment reminded me of that Batman take where Bruce Wayne and Jack Napier were high school students. Anyone else remember that trailer "Bruce Wayne doesn't have friends, he has followers" then it showed a social media page on (IRCC) Selina Kyle's phone?

Modern audiences would demand that Data and Worf scream at each other until “strong female character” walks in and insults their masculinity with a series of one liners. Then Data and Worf leave with their tails between their legs while audiences scream “YASSSS QUEEN!”

@justacloud3374

11 ай бұрын

Euuughh…ikr? Gross woke crap!

@viniciusvalois2634

11 ай бұрын

If this ever happened, I would ditch the series at the very moment.

@Helfirehydra

11 ай бұрын

I never understood why modern shows and movies have to do everything they can to emasculate meant like almost every movie now the Man, as a woman make fun of his masculinity

@bradevans7935

11 ай бұрын

@@Helfirehydra It's part of the agenda these days. The most egregious example I can think of at the moment is what Disney did in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. They had 5 interesting male characters in the main ensemble, and managed to screw up all of them. They turned Luke into a broken man, killed Han at the first opportunity, made Kylo Ren into a spoilt child, belittled and emasculated Poe, and side-lined Finn (potentially the most interesting one of the group) in a pointless sub-plot - mostly in the interest of their ham-fisted attempts to create 'strong female characters' in Rey and (to a lesser-extent) Vice-Admiral Holdo, almost-completely forgetting that the franchise already had Leia, a textbook example of how to properly craft such a character.

@The_Ballo

11 ай бұрын

Oscar material right there

The other great bit of the Data/Worf scene is that neither Data nor the writer intends to "knock down Worf a peg or two". Worf gets a redemption later on in the episode with his "health and safety inspection" idea ... which Data initially rejects, then reconsiders, showing that the earlier incident has done nothing to diminish Worf in anyone's eyes. Worf shows character in owning up to his behavior, and Data shows character in not holding it against him any further than the conversation. The writer got it.

@RideAcrossTheRiver

8 ай бұрын

Later on, it's Worf being promoted, long overdue ... Data never made commander.

remember when a character going into a fit of rage was seen as the character hitting rock bottom and not just a quirky character trait?

@Litchy51

2 жыл бұрын

So I guess Chef Ramsey’s TV persona still has a lot of character development left to go.

@eVill420

2 жыл бұрын

@@Litchy51 he shouts authoritatively, not in rage.

@Domidomi85

2 жыл бұрын

@@Litchy51 Only in the US. Because that's what americans want.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Culture is literally changing and Media reflects that but Media is also the Cause, cause it's all symbiotic. For example, Quotes from the 12. Doctor: "Oh, the Mechanized Space-Suits malfunction and attack us? That's funny cause that means we're like Anyone-else Everywhere-else: We're fighting the Suit!" 12. Doctor:"What makes you feel so superior? It it the good House? But Human-Progress isnt measured by Industry, it's measured by looking at a Life. An unimportant Life... a life without privilege. 13. Doctor: "OMG, OMG, OMG, have you heard of Space-Amazon? Amazon is so epic, everyone who disagrees with that is a literal PIG. We should all stop criticizing Amazon forever." I kid you not, they said that. Holy Penguin, wtf. And yeah, Critical Drinker's massive Success with his 'Why modern movies s-ck'-video-SERIES speaks for itself. People DO want Quality back. I dont know how to help but with ONE thing: recommend you all hour-long, much-entertaining Criticism Essays, like Madvocate did with the Flash, Jay Exci did with Doctor Who and Hbomberguys whole channel basically, but especially RWBY. If we support that, we support ourselves.

@mousemetal1679

2 жыл бұрын

Or when awful behavior was either a villain trait, or a trait the character had to overcome and become a better person.

"They're Written By Children." Well your characters are only ever as smart as you can write them.

@marlom7882

2 жыл бұрын

Me who’s not that smart: *fuck*

@IronDragon-2143

2 жыл бұрын

@@marlom7882 Join the club we got jackets

@nunya5424

2 жыл бұрын

When you roll an 18 intelligence playing d&d. I'd appreciate if we all just pretended my character is smart.

@darkwingduck7247

2 жыл бұрын

@Rapunzel ♪ love it :D

@christianbjorck816

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. When dumb idiots write, you get dumb idiot characters.

They simply cannot write a logical character like Spock anymore because the writers don't know what logic is.

@guysabol8743

Жыл бұрын

Well, I believe that the characterization OF Spock is also C/R protected. Developed by G Roddenberry, no one can again use the same logical tactics of Spock because they would then have to pay G R's estate for USE of this C/R character. And at $250 MILL for fair use, bahh work out another character.

@wychan7574

Жыл бұрын

Logically angry yes.

@MollyHJohns

Жыл бұрын

I just remember one thing... Writers can NEVER write characters that are cleverer/stronger/more mature (whatever trait it is) than themselves. Especially when they don't understand or can't relate to the characters.

@BiggieTrismegistus

11 ай бұрын

The way Spock is written in NuTrek is embarrassing.

@andreashort310

9 ай бұрын

@@MollyHJohns It's easy to write characters who are smarter, stronger, and more mature than you. Hell, anyone can write a character stronger than themselves. And smarter, more mature? You have to step outside of your ego, invest time into thinking/research, and allow the characters be themselves and not you. If you can do that, it's easy.

So on the mark! When someone is yelling at me, I raise the shields! The screaming/yelling characters are bad enough but its almost always combined with visual overload. Totally mind-numbing. With Star Trek, these the men and women are the elite of the elite of the elite and yet they behave like they haven't yet mastered puberty. Yelling can and does work-- in a Few Good Men, when Tom Cruise starts to shout at Jack Nicholson in the court room, and the latter loses his cool, it was riveting and had every bit of my attention. Both felt in control even while Jack's control slipped, and they were focus of the scene. The scene where Sauron and Galadriel are yelling at each other reminded me of a 10 year old brother and sister and both are thousands of years old.

@TheCriticalDrinker

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. Controlled aggression is the mark of a mature man. Screaming and shouting about every little thing is the behaviour of a child.

@RobbeusesYouTube

2 ай бұрын

thanks for the advice for why screaming and shouting is unnecessary and how to use it properly

The fucking ewok in Return of the Jedi who shakes his dead friend on the battlefield and briefly grieves to realize he's dead had more depth and emotional impact than the trash produced today. That's how far we have fallen from grace.

@ElimGarakSpoonHead

2 жыл бұрын

@UCEcqOtGaCeAXZmamZtfak5Q This. Is tragic.

@BlueisNotaWarmColour

2 жыл бұрын

So fucking true lol

@govsquid

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus -- you're not wrong. Drinker's totally stealing this from you, as he ought.

@alsmith9853

2 жыл бұрын

I hate the Ewoks but have to agree with your point

@chillhour6155

2 жыл бұрын

Now we have E-wokes

The worst thing about new Star Trek is seeing Spock, a guy who holds thoughtfulness and logic to be the highest thing, running around yelling and not being able to control himself

@SweetBearCub

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Leonard Nimoy is spinning in his grave. Granted he is 'just' an actor, but he worked very hard to shape the Vulcan culture, to define its norms, to show how Vulcans (or even half vulcans) should approach the world, and why they act how they do. Other actors that respected that followed, such as Tim Russ and Jolene Blalock. Now we have people playing "Vulcans" that aren't anywhere near the confines laid down. The new 'Star Trek' movies would be fine generic action movies I guess, but they should never have bothered with the setting and characters of a franchise if they were just going to bastardize them.

@chriselyr2484

2 жыл бұрын

@@SweetBearCub Nimoy had a considerable input not only on defining Spock, his backstory and consequently a huge whack of lore, but also the tone of the show. And he gets all the best lines :)

@stevenscott2136

2 жыл бұрын

@@SweetBearCub Ever notice that actors playing "small part" Vulcans almost invariably play them as massive jerks? I think I first noticed it with the admiral on Wesley's punishment tribunal at the Academy.

@josephfisher426

2 жыл бұрын

@@SweetBearCub Is that Zach Quinto's fault or is that the direction he is getting? I didn't feel like he was wrong in the first JJ movie.

@stevencoardvenice

2 жыл бұрын

The new spock is woke

I think a major factor in why the old star trek was so great was that many of the cast and crew had served in the military at one point(many were wwii vets if im not mistaken). Thus they understood good leadership and how to portray there characters in a believable way. It's also just a byproduct of the era they lived in.

@Poorlineforeva

Жыл бұрын

What a dumb theory

@parzivalthehero1147

Жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, only James Doohan served in the military.

@tombaillie5219

Жыл бұрын

It was the era. In the army I served in back then, if I had addressed my commanding officer as depicted in these ludicrous 'modern' ST episodes, I'd have been stood against a wall...

@williamwoolf8072

Жыл бұрын

this makes me wanna watch star trek

@trolleriffic

11 ай бұрын

@@parzivalthehero1147 William Shatner hadn't done military service but DeForest Kelley was in the USAAF during the war, Leonard Nimory was in the Army Reserve, James Doohan served as an artilleryman in the Canadian forces, seeing action at Juno Beach on D-Day and later becoming a pilot, and George Takei and his family were interned along with other Japanese-Americans during WW2 so their experiences would have brought some real-world perspective.

This is why I love Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. Sure, it's a kids movie, but the movie can actually take risks at some points by analysing themes that can appeal to adults (death and anxiety), despite being aimed for kids, and it can portray them better than alot of adult movies we have today.

@ofal5124

11 ай бұрын

sorry for commenting on 2 months old comment but I especially love when drinker mentioned the impact silence can bring, like Kirk reaction to death of his friend or a scene where puss have panic attack and Perrito finds him. Now imagine if your typical hollywood writer made that scene. Imagine having Perito enter this extremley tense scene... and cracking a joke, or slipping on something, or commenting something else, completley oblivious to puss state

@ohgin12345

10 ай бұрын

Oh please. It's crap for me

@judahdar6552

10 ай бұрын

​@@ohgin12345 why puss in boots is crap for you?

@ayporos

10 ай бұрын

Kids movies used to be the best movies, when they were based on old stories such as the Disney animated films were. These stories developed over hundreds of years with the exact purpose of teaching children important morals and imposing wisdom upon them. Take The Lion King for example, it's a classic beat by beat telling of the hero's journey. The strength of a good movie isn't just about how 'deep' the concepts are, but rather how skillfully you manage to portray those difficult concepts in a way that even a kid could understand, relate to and absorb into their own fiber.

@leboi1155

8 ай бұрын

@@ohgin12345 No.

"Isn't it great when characters act like actual adults?" YES! yes it is!

@Elsa-rq2ty

2 жыл бұрын

@Rapunzel ♪ nice one

@darkwingduck7247

2 жыл бұрын

@Rapunzel ♪ omg 😍😍

@kalmac6255

2 жыл бұрын

Even more so in the real world.

@rogersmith7396

2 жыл бұрын

Politicians and news figures don't act like actual adults, why should movie actors?

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

First Order: wut?

They think a complex character means being a minority, or being strong means belittling others.

@jflanagan9696

2 жыл бұрын

Or a Mary sue.

@markzuckergecko621

2 жыл бұрын

And completely forget the very simple concept, that a truly interesting character is usually flawed and relatable. Their "champions" are always so detached from reality, the strong independent wahmens that can beat the shit out of 5 guys at once, are super intelligent and charismatic, that are only single because "no man is man enough to handle them". It's boring. At least give her a weird nervous tick or something, ffs.

@jflanagan9696

2 жыл бұрын

@@markzuckergecko621 Exactly. Flaws and deficiencies are always more interesting than tacking on extra powers.

@pickyphysicsstudent201

2 жыл бұрын

Ellie's gay, BTW.

@markzuckergecko621

2 жыл бұрын

@@jflanagan9696 I watched this piece of shit a year or so ago called "Ava", about some super spy strong wahmens. And there was a scene towards the climax where she has a showdown with the male spy that was kind of like her MK1, he was trained by the same guy as her, they were supposedly equals in nearly all ways, and they have this brutal, drawn out fight where she eventually wins. I actually laughed out loud, like what is this shit???🤣 Alright, maybe some super trained elite spy chick can beat up some random thugs that don't really know how to fight, maybe she can beat up another spy chick, but how am I supposed to believe she can beat up another spy with equal training, but twice the physical strength and stamina? Come on man, I know it's a movie, but the "because wahmens" thing just tosses any semblance to reality straight out the window. She may as well have started flying and doing Crouching Tiger shit, totally ruined the whole movie. And it wasn't great even before that.

I think it’s interesting to compare movies about WWII from today with those from the 1950s, 60s and 70s. They were written, directed and acted by people who actually remembered the war and in many cases fought in it. This is why their films are so much more sophisticated and nuanced.

@honkhonk8009

11 ай бұрын

THAT IS SO FUCKING FACTS. I never could put my finger on WHY these war films felt so "refined" as corny as that sounds. Even ones that portray goofier characters end up being really well made.

@anthonytrepniak3387

10 ай бұрын

I love old war films. The "stiff upper lip" that people sneer at nowadays conveys deeper and more genuine emotion than the screaming hissy fits in modern films.

Amen on the Worf/Data scene. The problem with modern writers is that they themselves don't understand the fundamentals of human psychology and morality/ethics to be able to integrate the principles into their work, let alone practice them in their personal lives.

@robonator2945

Жыл бұрын

While I agree, I think the direction of causality here is a bit different. Its not that they don't understand philosophy or psychology, so they can't write, and also don't apply it to their own lives. Rather, it's that they have, at some subconscious level, intentionally avoided learning about philosophy or psychology. Instead of taking moments, even mundane ones like taking a shit, to think and reflect, they instead see that sort of questioning as internalized hatred, a lack of self confidence, or any number of other things. Because they lack this personal growth, they have no concept of the psychology or philosophy that motivates characters, and so they can't write them nearly as well. The best question you can ask while taking a shit is "Why do I have these two seemingly contradictory opinions?", sometimes you'll realize you've been a bit of a hypocrite, other times you'll identify a distinction that you already knew on some level, but hadn't consciously identified yet, and in either case you'll grow as a person, all because you took a shit.

@neuvocastezero1838

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of modern writers who deal with psychology and ethics, they just aren't typically assigned to Abram's projects. And you seem to be reading a hell of a lot into the writers' personal lives from a few action movies/ series for someone who has professed themselves so concerned with morality and ethics.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

There's no ethics in a world where opinions are as valuable as facts and rules. That's the main issue.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

@kızgın tosbağa Exactly.

@neuvocastezero1838

Жыл бұрын

@@xminusone1 It's remarkable people latch on to this 2 minute scene concerning military chain of command when discussing ethics on TNG, when the series constantly presented some of the most nebulous and subjective ethical narratives, interpreted through the lens of one of the most utopian, progressive, diverse, and tolerant societies ever conceived in the realm of fiction.

In my Scriptwriting class in college, my professor condemned STAR TREK as being misogynistic and racist. He spent like an hour talking about why it's bad. I knew then that my professor was a garbage person and this course was trash. He would pass anyone who used non-binary characters, and gave me a bad mark when I used a violent premise. This is what's wrong with movies these days.

@anshulkarkera8911

2 жыл бұрын

That's literally shit, I'm sorry for you man. I hope you make it one day

@alaba.altheus810

2 жыл бұрын

Your professor is a snowflake

@Nexol13

2 жыл бұрын

There’s likely two reasons for this: 1) Movies nowadays are written by sheep, for sheep. Nothing intellectually stimulating or challenging in movies these days, only stories that reinforce the audience’s beliefs and challenge the beliefs of anyone who goes against modern sensibilities. 2) Those who cannot do, teach. If I had to guess, the professor probably couldn’t sell anything worthwhile to a studio because he didn’t know how to write compelling characters, just mouthpieces for his own agenda. My screenwriting professor from grad school sold a couple of scripts back in his day and one of them ended up getting made, but the production was poorly handled so it’s a film he disowns. Sad to say, not much happened with his career after that, so he’s been teaching creative writing and screenwriting classes for the past 15 years.

@springbloom5940

2 жыл бұрын

Its almost like... the characters... are real... people 🤨

@legendarykeyboardwarrior8364

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure he is really a "HE"?? This sh*t not sound like a real "HE" saying. Any chance of cross dresser rainbow stuff going on there.

My father used to say that Star Trek is for grown ups as Star Wars is for children, but not in a bad way for any of them, just that Star Trek is for nourishing your intellect while Star Wars is for numb fun. Now Star Trek tries to be Star Wars, while Star Wars is basically Teletubbies.

@odeball22

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@randombobsmith8925

2 жыл бұрын

Star Wars was fun. Now its just a cash cow for the corporate whores at Disney...

@its_dey_mate

2 жыл бұрын

Somewhat agree. There is some competent and thought inspiring themes in Star wars, although I wouldn't put it near let alone on par with Star trek although I have to be honest I haven't watched it. Still, your father seems like a smart man.

@odeball22

2 жыл бұрын

@@its_dey_mate how can you disagree with out knowing both side I've watched both starwars is for children.

@its_dey_mate

2 жыл бұрын

@@odeball22 Did you even read what I said? Clearly not if you aks me. Lacking the ability to understand the written text tells me to not give you a deep diving reply in the themes of SW because it will be pointless in the end. Peace ✌

Writing used to be the mandatory path to Directing. It was like leveling up on a video game; you learned the ropes from the ground floor. Today too many go straight to Directing without a foundation in good story telling.

Remember back when Riker, the most rambunctious character in next generation, would ask for permission to speak freely, and then he would say a line that sounded like Dumbledore wrote it, and Picard would look almost shocked that Riker would speak so straightforwardly, and yet it was absolutely polite and respectful

Frank Herbert himself said it best: "There's an unwritten compact between you and the reader. If someone enters a bookstore and sets down hard-earned money (energy) for your book, you owe that person some entertainment." Movies written by actual children would probably be at least somewhat entertaining. Current writers forget that their movies should be something you want to see because they'll be an enjoyable experience.

@terrylandess6072

2 жыл бұрын

While I'll agree the 'new' DUNE looks great and 'seems' okay - especially by today's standards - my problem with it is the casting. It's not a movie - it's the latest release of Hollywood Squares. While I knew of a couple Lord of the Rings actors - most hadn't been crapping all over the screen in the last 30-40 movies released. Now we get wrestlers, pop divas, and every other worn out 'actor' - what was the criteria? At least a book will be 'illustrated' by the reader and not some wannabe ass kisser in Hollywood.

@b.chaline4394

2 жыл бұрын

Well said! Sadly nowadays, the majority of Hollywood writers think that if you belong to a certain ethnicity, your money isn't hard-earned but the result of "privilege", while if you belong to another ehtnicity, then you are just another child who needs to be pat on the back for the sake of "diversity" and representation. One way or another, respect isn't part of the equation anymore.

@jflanagan9696

2 жыл бұрын

@@b.chaline4394 Its openly disrespectful to tell anyone that without your help, they'd have nothing. And for some reason, those being talked down to and essentially being called lazy are loving the attention. It's like the situation with helping starving people by sending them food. All they do is learn to depend on the shipments and never learn to thrive on their own. They need to be taught how to farm and preserve food instead of being air-dropped pop-tarts and MRE's

@fisharmor

2 жыл бұрын

If you're not aware of it you should check out a cartoon called Axe Cop. It was literally written by a 5 year old (with his older brother's help) and it's literally better than Hollywood movies.

@johnbuscher

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrylandess6072 I will say, I at least think only one casting choice wasn't that great because of how identifiable she is (Zendaya) and that she expressly can't pronounce Arabic words apparently. Everyone else was a pretty solid part of the movie, imo. I understand wanting to grab fresh talent that may have been better than what we got, but I think even in comparison to older movies, it's not too bad.

Point of fact, the US Army's Woke Recruitment series of TV ads were universally roasted across all the armed services.

@Winterascent

2 жыл бұрын

As they should be.

@frivolousarguments8578

2 жыл бұрын

You just can't handle progress.

@chpsilva

2 жыл бұрын

@@frivolousarguments8578 a fitting nickname you have here.

@proudpureblood5073

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that.

@thekiller7994

2 жыл бұрын

@@frivolousarguments8578 so turning our troops into soyboys is progress? Right

That was exactly the reaction I had to the first of the Abrams' interpretations of Star Trek: the script was written by a nine-year-old boy. "Captain Kirk is so terrific, he goes from raw recruit to senior officer in six weeks!"

@mark-nm4tc

Жыл бұрын

Actually if you watch the movie, its a few years on not weeks.

@BiggieTrismegistus

11 ай бұрын

Kirk was in his third year at Starfleet Academy when he was made captain, which is really, really dumb.

@DarrenSaw

10 ай бұрын

A bit like how Rey turns into Mace Windu in about 3 weeks.

I walked in on my dad watching Wrath of Khan right as Spock was dying. I know peanuts about Star Trek. Not only did I feel sad watching that scene even with no context, but also, years later, I can still see in my mind Spock slowly sliding down the glass as he died.

My god, this video was so on the mark.

@darkwingduck7247

2 жыл бұрын

@Rapunzel ♪ haha 😂😂

@stijnvdv2

2 жыл бұрын

Jup. Not surprising it's written by 'children'; it's written by school grads that are hired for probably their cheap cost and their brain as well as their personality already died at freshman year from universities and colleges that don't offer knowledge or a skill anymore, just indoctrination that's at the level of 6 year olds; where independent thought, critical thinking, logic and common sense are the first victims to go in favor of moronic 'do you have the right skin color, gender and sexual orientation'.

@themydnighthour

2 жыл бұрын

And, frankly, don't blame the actors for this...it was a director of "of whom we shan't name". (I meant of the new ST films... discovery and lower cocks can...meh)

@FerDeLance06

2 жыл бұрын

This!

@randomfanboi4432

2 жыл бұрын

QDK

Funny how the modern, supposedly "non-toxic" versions of these men are the ones screaming at each other and punching each other in the face... 😂

@EricHamm

2 жыл бұрын

Da-fuq, Kirk was always toxic, even in the remake.

@usuariosarcastico512

2 жыл бұрын

When they say "toxic men" what they really mean is strong men, so weak men who cannot control their own emotions fall into their definition of "non-toxic men".

@silverletter4551

2 жыл бұрын

@@usuariosarcastico512 good point. I always said strength was more than mere muscle. I consider myself somewhat strong in that I'm resilient and confident in my beliefs without needing to break down or be coddled.

@johnthomas2485

2 жыл бұрын

Because they have zero idea of how real men act

@BillLaBrie

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if wearing makeup and a dress contributes to toxic masculinity?

It is genuinely fascinating how old bad movies manage to be better than bad movies today.

It speaks so much to the richness of the characters, quality of the writing, and Shatner's incredible acting that in the few seconds of you playing the clip of Kirk eulogy to Spock I felt a lump in my throat forming. Precisely because the characters are holding back emotion and exercising restraint, we as the audience get to experience simply more things at once. We feel simultaneously what they are feeling, how they are expressing it, why they are doing so, the difficulty of doing so, and then exactly the ways they fail to do so. It's the difference between a delicious meal made of many complimentary flavours, aged meats, and a sauce that took almost days to make, paired with the perfect red wine, versus chicken nuggets and far too much ketchup. As one matures, one learns not only the ways flavour can interact, but also exactly what those flavours took to create, and you prefer that sensory and emotional experience to the one note intensity of a single flavour, maximised. Star Trek: Beyond is the chicken nuggets to Wrath of Khan's beef wellington.

@littlenickelbushfarm9804

Жыл бұрын

I actually CRIED watching that clip, and I've never even watched Star Trek.

@amygodward4472

Жыл бұрын

You're right and now I'm hungry

@dr.juerdotitsgo5119

Жыл бұрын

I was never into geek culture, but recently decided to give Star Trek a try. So far I've seen the Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, and a few TNG episodes. William Shatner totally blew my mind; manly yet classy, tough yet fair, stoic yet humorous. IMO much more charming and badass than Patrick Stewart.

@jimskywaker4345

Жыл бұрын

I actually quite liked beyond. It certainly had issues but it was waaaaaaay better then the first 2 reboot movies. It's not on the level of wrath of Kahn certainly but it was still good

@MrLogistician

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood wants to serve chicken nuggets and ketchup because it's much easier and cheaper.

I agree with what Anthony Mackie said a few years ago: "we make movies for 16 year olds and China".

@filmfacet

2 жыл бұрын

I've shared that video where he says that a few times. It's great. He calls them out in that video. Also, what he said, is the reason I pay little attention anymore to modern films and have embraced films of the past (mainly stuff from the '70s, '80s & '90s) Those films are just better made. Movies today feel too shallow.

@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881

2 жыл бұрын

@@filmfacet I've felt that way since late elementary.

@AntarcticMagpie

2 жыл бұрын

And then he suddenly stopped being cast for anything outside MCU..... funny, that

@carljthatsme94

2 жыл бұрын

I can't like this because it's on 69 and I'm mentally 12 but yes, Mackie was spot on.

@uthopia27

2 жыл бұрын

@@AntarcticMagpie its a price if u speak out loud in the movie industry , u know wht they said "dont bite the hands that feed u" im sure he had a good intention but sure did the other didnt feel the same

I feel like another aspect of the infantilization of entertainment is that there seems to be an increasing demand that everybody in the audience "gets" every single aspect of the film. Old Trek was full of literary references and allusions, many of which I missed when I watched for the first time. It was rewarding to come back later and appreciate the films more the second time around. Futurama is another good example - there were some jokes that I didn't understand until after I finished a math degree, for crying out loud. Writers/directors seem increasingly worried that they'll offend their audiences by making them feel stupid. But every time I've recognized that there was something I didn't understand in a film/TV show, it became an opportunity for me to learn about something new.

@davidlacoste

Жыл бұрын

I remember Futurama referencing TOS Amok Time episode in a passing shot (showing the weapons). How many people in the early 2000s remember TOS well enough to get that reference?

@rick71999

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I watched Red Dragon when I was 15 and English is not my mother tongue. I watched it 4 times to fully understand it. But I never did I feel any resentment for it. Rather I enjoyed my effort to understand it.

@abadenoughdude300

Жыл бұрын

God forbid a movie or a show be thought provoking and lead to discussion. Discussion would lead to disagreements and that would be toxic, we can't have that, everyone needs to be nice and agreeable. Also RIP Star Trek (1966-2005).

@SeigaSeigas

Жыл бұрын

I cursed my friends with this knowledge while we were watching modern Doctor Who, and it happens everywhere. You basically end up noticing that both jokes and plot points will be delivered in stages. First they give you the information you need to make the plot connection or put a punchline in your head, and everyone who's actually engaging their brain gets satisfaction from that. Then they'll say something else, something that just plainly re-states or explains the plot point or says the punchline again, for everyone who didn't get it when it was delivered the first time.

@PKMN37

Жыл бұрын

@@SeigaSeigas Right. Hollywood, like many western companies who follow Twitter, thinks that people want things spelled out. Treat the audience like they have a brain. Don't insult their intelligence.

The problem is social media. Holywood tries to appeal to a primarily teenage audience (hence why most movies have gone from an 18+ rating to a 16+ rating) simply because of the fact that teenagers handle social media and create hype around things so a movie that appeals to that audience will spread hype like wildfire and if you throw flashy things, fights and grunts (primarily what teenagers relate to) it means, they will make more money at the box office. Tip: Switch to European cinema. It still upholds everything we like about old movies. Europe has produced some masterpieces in the last years, specially French, German, Spanish and the ones from Nordic countries.

@honkhonk8009

11 ай бұрын

Thats what I noticed. Everyone here in America loves the living shit out of Christopher Nolan. Same with directors such as Denis Villaneuve whos Canadian. Its also why we consume a shit ton of anime statistically. Kids dont like having their intelligence insulted.

@kornaros96

8 ай бұрын

And then you have Lanthimos...

Movies, TV, and video are the biggest examples, but I have also noticed the same trend in Anime in the last 10 years. Almost every month it seems the same story comes out with a fresh coat of paint. The MC is an ordinary person who is either overworked or bullied in our world, and just because they want to, they get whisked to another world where with little explanation they suddenly become powerful, attractive, popular, and often have no flaws. There is no hero's journey, no real obstacle to overcome, no personal sacrifice besides the initial plot-driving catastrophe. So many modern anime stories are just Mary-Sue power fantasies, where the MC is a shameless self-insert of the writer's idealized personality. In our world they are practically invisible, or unappreciated for their efforts. In this "other" world, they become something akin to an invincible God, perfect in every way by virtue of existing. Modern writing is about as deep as week-old puddle in the Sahara.

@hoangquanle3310

8 ай бұрын

That's a genre known as isekai, and that premise is pretty common in that genre. If u want a better written story, then maybe look for a different genre.

@hoangquanle3310

8 ай бұрын

Granted, there are very good isekais as well, you just have to look

"They're controlled, rational, and measured; arguing their points effectively and not simply shouting over each other." I don't think it's just movies that have lost this.

@ottoweininger8156

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. I guess the films are just depicting people as there are these days (at least, the kind of people writing them)

@strawbarry7834

2 жыл бұрын

Nowadays I talk to children who are more adult than the adults. And it's only getting worse, at least in America.

@harleyrexun5310

2 жыл бұрын

I guess it shows the impact of media on society

@GodOfOrphans

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when Stoicism is demonized.

@chadcronkwick4989

2 жыл бұрын

@@GodOfOrphans stoicism isnt being demonized toxicity is :/. also its important to note that these franchise's stay safe to retain their core audience as opposed to getting a newer younger following. most older types of shows arent as appealing to younger people in the wake of newer, more modern ones, which isnt to say old franchises dont try to appeal to a younger audience they just fail at it.

When I was stationed aboard a ship, my skipper was always in control. He had to be because he had 180 souls under his command that he was responsible for. He always had emotional control over himself, and by extension everyone on the bridge. If someone fucked up he didn’t freak out. He would correct the mistake immediately and then teach why it was a mistake. I’d follow him any day because he was an excellent leader and man.

@sirg-had8821

2 жыл бұрын

It's always incredible when the commanders and SNCO's are professionals.

@niallmackenzie99

2 жыл бұрын

I don't remember seeing you or your captain on any episodes of Star Trek 🤔

@darthXreven

2 жыл бұрын

@@niallmackenzie99 wom wom wom wom..... lolz that's just like what I'd comment

@EricDaMAJ

2 жыл бұрын

The Horatio Hornblower leadership model (which Roddenberry deliberately used for _Star Trek_ ).

@LockedInWithLovebirds

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricDaMAJ great movies

I was raised on the original Star Trek series, I own all the movies and the STNG series. The characters were all well developed, story lines were logical an easy to follow. These were forms of entertainment that did that in spades and taught the occasional life lesson. I can't recall the last movie I bought anymore.... it's been at least 10 years I know.

@mossiegalvin8269

Жыл бұрын

" The characters were all well developed, story lines were logical an easy to follow" ......Really? .....Originally known simply as "Sulu", his first name, "Hikaru", appeared in a 1981 novel well over a decade after the original series had ended

@solidflyer286

Жыл бұрын

DS9 was the only Star Trek to have character development and then they bottled one of the best friendships in trek history

@russcattell955i

Жыл бұрын

Me too, with the one exception I can think of, the James Bond films are entertaining.

@lukasnummer1

10 ай бұрын

@@russcattell955i James Bond films haven't been consistently entertaining since the late 80s; the 90s had a good one, the 00s had a great one, and that's about it (many love "Skyfall", I don't).

@RideAcrossTheRiver

8 ай бұрын

@@mossiegalvin8269 Spock's surname didn't appear until a 1982 novel. Now what?

I think it has to do with where our writers are coming from. Scifi authors back in the day, like Bradbury and Niven, were scientists first and writers second, because they dreamed of a world they hoped to one day see, and only wanted to show others their vision. But nowadays, the writers are there to be writers. They studied writing, practice writing, and ape writing, and so are basically just writing fanfics, and we all know how that goes. Larry Niven put it well; many authors want to *have written* not to *write*. When you love writing, you put your heart and soul into it. When you love having written, you put in the lowest-quality, half-assed job you can get away with, and shove it out as quickly as possible to better inflate your ego.

@AutomaticDuck300

4 ай бұрын

Essentially it’s better to love the process and not just the end product. I totally agree.

@alanparsonsfan

3 ай бұрын

@demiserofd The authors you mention here are exactly why it's called 'hard' science fiction. Which is the only thing I'll read. It has to be plausible. I remember Robert Heinlein stating that he spent 3 days calculating Silacci empiricals for one line in a story. There's a reason he's called the Grand master. I wrote him while in college when I was about to cover the third launch of the Space Shuttle. I was hoping to meet him there, and his wife sent me back a lovely reply. Bet that's rare today as well.

"Why Modern Movies Suck - They're Written By Children" Never a statement has been so truthful than this.

@marlom7882

2 жыл бұрын

Actually I find that offensive to children with writing potential

@LegacyComics100

2 жыл бұрын

Even shows that are made for a younger demographic are written better than modern movies. •Justice League, and J.L.U. •Batman the animated series •90’s Incredible Hulk •Spectacular Spider-Man •My life as a teenage robot •Regular Show •Spongebob You name it.

@christophertomasello1227

2 жыл бұрын

Angry petulant children blissfully unaware of their own hypocrisy

@stephenpmurphy591

2 жыл бұрын

Whiny spoiled babies who were rarely told no or you failed.

@FerDeLance06

2 жыл бұрын

LOL; I've read essays and short stories written by actual children that piss all over the efforts of many of these 'professional writers'!

When Roddenberry created Kirk and the other characters was during NASA's golden age, where the real life astronauts were absolutely cool through any emergency and all the middle aged people had been through WWII and had personally dealt with high danger, high stress scenarios and how to act in a military hierarchy.

@tunguska2370

2 жыл бұрын

Now we have writer is filled with thier onw political agenda

@albionicamerican8806

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention all the Americans who lived through the hardships of the Great Depression.

@itsblitz4437

2 жыл бұрын

Huh, based on real life events and experience huh?

@blatherskite3009

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and Roddenberry had served in the Air Force in WW2 (flying 89 combat missions according to Wikipedia) so he knew about things such as courage under fire, rank and discipline, etc., from first-hand experience ... something the writers and creators of Star Trek Discovery cannot claim, which is probably the main reason why things like the crew behavior in STD ring so utterly false. STD also seemed to forget that even the greenest (and I mean experience not skin!) crew-members would've done *years* of study and training at Starfleet Academy before setting foot on a starship. If they'd exhibited that kind of childish, insubordinate, fighty behavior in the Academy then they would never have graduated, let alone been assigned to a flagship.

@benjaminlivingston9706

2 жыл бұрын

Despite all the troubles that the Apollo 13 spacecraft went through, everyone at NASA and the crew of the Apollo 13 were calm, reserved, and focused.

@9:01 I am so glad you included this scene as it is an excellent example of being a good strong commander while still being able to to have a friendship with your subordinate officers. Data simply learnt this from Picard. You can almost see Picard talking instead of Data in this scene.

Y know I’m starting to more and more see movies in depth and appreciate the slow paced masterpieces. The drinker is a wonderful guide.

The word I didn't hear is "earned". Good writing has characters earn their shit. For the new breed of writers it's all about rewarding their characters' personality. "You're super awesome so here's your super awesome powers and such!" Infantile is the correct word.

@matthewbowen5841

2 жыл бұрын

Ahem... participation awards.

@johnmarkson1998

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbowen5841 a participation award is for the lesser characters who everyone hates. these characters are popular and cool. but once they become that they get everything handed to them. thats the issue. back in the day even the cool popular characters always had to work hard for things.

@Lawofimprobability

2 жыл бұрын

Unless it is a clear power fantasy. The problem is that some writers aren't good at distinguishing between charecterization and having an audience proxy for thrills.

@ideal9544

2 жыл бұрын

A sign of the times. Generation Z’s like myself are characterized by the need for instant gratification. Most teens these days won’t want to see characters earning shit because that would go against everything they see on social media all day everyday and probably by some circles in their lives.

@dmccoyny

2 жыл бұрын

e.g. the difference between Luke and Rey. One has a long, difficult path to greatness and yet still has flaws and struggles with their power and role...the other magically gains their powers, encounters nothing they can't easily handle, and has 0 flaws. Written by children.

Not just movies, it's everything these days, maturity and thoughtfulness have pretty much disappeared from everyday life.

@hicham12ful

2 жыл бұрын

I hate this "modern movies" phrase, first box office/big budget movies are not the only movies, there is shyt tons of great movies that are coming out that "KZread movie critics" don't even care to cover, and also it's so self centric, European and Asian cinema is doing fine, Hollywood is not the world.

@Saavik256

2 жыл бұрын

@@hicham12ful Nigeria produces way more movies per year than both Hollywood and Bollywood combined.

@taliamason7986

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on there. There are certainly some KZread critics that actually do review various types of Cinema outside of mainstream Hollywood but nearly all them of them generate a significanty low number of views and subscribers which is just sad. Like for example one of my favourite critics on the platform has less than 30k subscribers and only averages a few thousand views and has been on the platform for over a decade. Akira Kurosawa, Hong Kong Cinema, French New Wave, Italian Neorealism, German Expressionism, Old Hollywood, Silent Era, Ingmar Bergman, Andrei Tarkovsky, Federico Fellini, David Lynch, every Kubrick film aside from The Shining and Full Metal Jacket, Alfred Hitchcock, etc all only get attention through video essays and discussions on the platform. Remember Jeremy Jahns just two years ago outright refusing to watch Parasite just because it had subtitles that he would have to read. Then he finally watched it after it won Best Picture. Like wtf. What kind of cinephile isn't open to foreign cinema just because you have read the subtitles which may not always be easy and certainly becomes quite tedious admittedly but you push through it anyway because most of the time its a very rewarding experience as I personally found with films like Amelie, Seven Samurai, Andrei Rublev, The 400 Blows and Bicycle Thieves. That's why I like Chris Stuckman far more. He at least makes a conservative attempt to review movies most of his own audience wouldn't be familiar with like Angel's Egg, Paprika, Perfect Blue, 12 Angry Men, Seven Samurai, Drive, etc from time to time. Also Jahn's for some reason just outright hates art house films. Again wtf.

@jamesdagmond

2 жыл бұрын

@@hicham12ful I agree, plenty of good movies still come out. And plenty of garbage movies came out "back in the day" but we've forgotten them because they were trash.

@SugerSprinkledFun

2 жыл бұрын

We've regressed. I think it's because we haven't had any serious social upheavals like we would once have to deal with. Major world wars and economic collapse. Times have been good, which make people soft and weak, where the little things that would never have bothered people before because there were much more serious issues are now all that exist.

'...which is fine if your idea of entertainment is eating Play-Doh and farting in the bathtub.....' I laughed at that WAY TOO HARD 🤣.

Fantastic series. You are hitting right on the head something my family often talks about. My mom and I are aficionados of old (golden age of Hollywood) movies and have often discussed why modern movies are just worms compared to them. We came to the conclusion that they are: 1)written by young people who sit around tables high on pot eating pizza and have no idea what life is and how it really works and what consequences are for hard-working people throughout life and what happens to them- and 2) They seem to make their movies backward - as in, instead of saying, "Let's create an important idea, plot, storyline, theme that carries through, and write a coherent story that makes sense from A to Z." THEN fleshing out with good production values and supporting cast and acting - they start with, "Let's do some great crazy CGI with ALIENS! And TREES! And ALIEN HEADS EXPLODING! "And we can get Scarlet Johanssen and Kurt Russell! Now, let's write a movie around it with THIS budget and make it RED AND GOLD this time and talk about TRANS people and evil corporations because there was a trans story last week - it's the victim story of the week... and everyone hates corporations we are all socialists, right?" And if that isn't how they do it, it certainly looks like it. And there doesn't seem to be a single adult in the room to say, "This is a juvenile pot party mess" when they deliver it.

@billolsen4360

Жыл бұрын

So, do you suspect that no one could make something like Anatomy Of A Murder today?

@libertytree3209

Жыл бұрын

@@billolsen4360 I suspect the will isn't there, unless the POV is a current woke fad. But you are right, people today seem to be very uneducated in foundational arts and truths of the past. Everything they write seems to not make sense.

@johnlaken4351

Жыл бұрын

nahh umm potheads will rigjt a better story than some old drunkies in hollywood 😂😂😂

@libertytree3209

Жыл бұрын

@@johnlaken4351 Same difference. Only they don't know it. they both think they are brilliant.

@williammiller6330

Жыл бұрын

Trans individual here. I feel like i should be insulted.

Kirk wavering and breaking stride as he gives Spock's eulogy is more impactful and grief stricken than anyone bawling and weeping. Actors and directors have forgotten how to be subtle.

@tonycrabtree3416

2 жыл бұрын

He was doing his level best to give Commander Spock the professional eulogy he had earned out of respect, friendship, and duty.

@Orangeman2345

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention some truly godlike acting from Shatner. That mid-sentence abrupt stop just screamed contained emotions.

@VallornDeathblade

2 жыл бұрын

@@Orangeman2345 Oh it's magnificent acting and should shut anyone up who says Shatner can't act. When he's given proper direction he's amazing.

@GreyhawkTheAngry

2 жыл бұрын

Another great example is in the TNG episode where Spock learns how his father felt for him by mind-melding with Picard who had previously melded with Sarek. Spock's response, masterfully performed by Mr. Nemoy, is subtle yet powerful.

@richardtaylor1652

2 жыл бұрын

Think of so many similar moments. - Kat dying of radiation after saving a civilian ship in Galactica; they posthumously promoted her to CAG as their tribute to her. - Dakar in DS9 being gunned down leading the final attach to capture the Founder and saving what was left of Cardassia. They didn't cry or have an emotional out burst, they obeyed his final orders and charged the Command Centre and captured the Founder helping to finally end the war.

"Because that's how grown fucking men deal with things." Sadly, not anymore.

@rogersmith7396

2 жыл бұрын

Its a race to the bottom for money now.

@kalmac6255

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogersmith7396 Sure looks like it. Screw character development and a coherent plot...even though those are what actually keep folks paying.

@RS-ls7mm

2 жыл бұрын

What roll models do young men have these days? All you see today is pansies and failures.

@TheLiquidRemix

2 жыл бұрын

@@RS-ls7mm Especially considering anyone who steps slightly out of line in their opinion gets cancelled and removed from history.

@Ghost101

2 жыл бұрын

@@RS-ls7mm As a millennial myself, not much at all these days I'm afraid. Young men either see fake role models, bluepilled yes-men or their favorite social media influencer. Nobody these days in general want to look up to successful men from old history.

Thanks so much for articulating effectively, what I have been thinking for so long. I've given up on new movies and most new TV series. Every time I give them a try, doing my best to keep an open mind, I always cringe when the characters start talking to each other, and think: "Who the fuck actually talks like this?" Every time I left the theater, I felt profoundly disappointed by what I just watched. I finally gave up--and that was years ago. There are only a few movies here and there I find are well done (we see them on DVD), and they are rarely the big money makers. I used to think it was just generational--but I'm running in to young people also, who make the same observations. And this goes for not just movies and TV, but for music as well. It's all crap.

@bradthompson5383

Жыл бұрын

And yet, when we watched TNG, I always thought, I wished people always talked like that. Intense curiosity, mutual respect amidst disagreement.

They're written by narcissists that think and write like children. That's because the film producing companies have staffs that think that _"all our viewers are narcissists with brains like children, we must hire people that are experts in thinking like children."_

@honkhonk8009

11 ай бұрын

When you live in California, that mentality starts to make a whole lot more sense honestly.

@walfip_

10 ай бұрын

​@@honkhonk8009i don't live in California, can you please explain?

Case in point: I teach resident physicians and prepare them for a board exam. Last year, I was reviewing teaching cases with a resident, and I told her that I thought she needed to study harder, or she wouldn't be ready for her board exam. She complained to the department chair, and I was chastised for being hard on her. A few months later, she failed her board exam, and then complained that it was because her teachers failed to adequately prepare her.

@jasona.p.455

2 жыл бұрын

Geezus! It's always someone else's fault. The level of entitlement these days is astounding. People act like they're owed something in every aspect of their lives.

@sakhalnakhash1123

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised they didn't just make the test easier. Or outright give her the answers.

@davidharrison7014

2 жыл бұрын

@@sakhalnakhash1123 Multiple-choice questions are ALMOST as bad.

@davidharrison7014

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasona.p.455 Along with giving out "participation trophies".

@sakhalnakhash1123

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidharrison7014 Especially when three out of four of the options seem to be joke answers. It's rather telling which answer is the correct one, even if you didn't study the material. "If you see a pedestrian crossing the road in front of your car do you: A: Speed up to hopefully get around them. B: Deliberately run them down. C: Stop and let them cross even though they are jaywalking. D: Carelessly veer into a nearby street lamp or telephone pole." And many people would still struggle with it.

In the past children at play pretended to be adults and they found their way in the world partially because of this type of play, while todays adults pretend they're children and refuse to grow up no matter what.

@jeffreyskoritowski4114

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. Stay strong you'll make it of Jersey some day lol.

@rocnathan

2 жыл бұрын

You have the insanity that is today's advertising to thank for a lot of that. Men have to look 35 and act like 25. Women have to look 25 and act 18, no matter whether you're younger or older. It makes everyone look like a fool. Also everyone has to be happy and dialled up to 180 at all times. It's ridiculous, and Hollywood is equally happy recipient and willing propagator of this development.

@Call-me-Al

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, I unfortunately literally am a forever kid mentally in some ways because of my congenital brain issues. I still have met too damn many 50+ years old men and women who were far less emotionally mature than me, and most of them were considered "mature" and "adult" just because they had hard jobs and a ton of responsibility. But somehow their behavior and in some cases even bullying magically wasn't considered childish. My idols growing up were fictional characters like MacGyver, Spock, and so on. People who assessed and responded instead of giving knee-jerk threatened reactions. Someone as developmentally damaged as me still considering it the bad kind of childish when adults react like emotionally fragile angry children when their ego gets hurt or threatened, is a sign of how badly off those "mature" "adults" are doing, and they absolutely are nothing new. You just were lucky to not be around people like that, nor hear many stories from the past by people 60+ years older than you. Especially things like divorce was uncommon in the past, but that absolutely was not a good thing. That lead to many beaten wives, poisoned husbands, ptsd for their kids, and a lot more. Similarly, genuinely mature adults were not as much the norm in the past as we wish they were.

@Matheus-hj8ye

2 жыл бұрын

We are a generation of people raised by single mothers. What else could we expect?

@memebot6490

2 жыл бұрын

@@Call-me-Al Yeah, I really think that people talking about how adults are always controlled and respectful, really haven't talked to many people

“Movies for children written by children” sums contemporary Hollywood writing up,perfectly.

exceptionally well-put. when the content is catered towards protected kids in bubbles who have never faced hardships and adversaries in their daily traversals, its hard to imagine "money" can be made from thought-provoking, deep, composed and stoically confident characters and writing. back in the days i'd love to hit the movies with the boys for an absolute good time but its been years that ive completely stopped watching movies now. i refer nowadays more to video games and fucking alas: the trend follows in most video games today as well :D that's why i'm still stuck with witcher 3 and red dead redemption 2 when it comes to open world experiences, where everything hits just right on these matters. there are many other games doing it well too, both triple A and indie, but it all just goes to the point that u definitely said the right things about "modern movies" build for "modern audiences".. god i hate the word now

Been saying this for years now. Hiring overeducated 22 year old writers with no life experience has sunk movie scripts to new lows. Hail the Drinker for always being on the level.

@chuckn4851

2 жыл бұрын

Hiring overeducated, early 20's people for *anything* that requires emotional maturity or anything beyond one-dimensional thought processes has sunk my entire country to new lows lol

@saps1850

2 жыл бұрын

Ok I question the overeducated part. I don't consider Gender Studies an actual education.

@marcusaurelius5149

2 жыл бұрын

@@saps1850 That's the point. That's what passes as "education" and they have way too much of it.

@DrWhosmate

2 жыл бұрын

@Shimmy Shai You make a great point, _over_ education is not really the issue, I personally do not believe you can ever reach such a state, I think the problem stems from the indoctrination present within the educational systems that pushes against life education, if every struggle you encounter growing up is out of your control (systemic BS, for instance), where is the incentive to grow and have that growth mould you as you experience the good and the bad that stems from it?. Every aspect of what made those past writers pour their emotion, guile, wit and skill into their screenplays and dialogues, their indirect telling of their own journeys through fiction, has all been supplanted with a modern equivalent, where the biggest threat of the day is feeling offended by a narky reply to your post on Twatter about pronouns you fancy for the day. The problem is not education, the problem is the type of education, the outsourcing of personal growth to an activist posing as a teacher. Possibly... :-D

@coffemusashi

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrWhosmate Agreed education is not the issue. I'm reasonably well educated myself.. However I do believe that life experience is just as important or perhaps more important on the evolution of an individual, especially in regards to a writer.

Putting "The Message" ahead of story, character development, and cinematography never works.

@markzuckergecko621

2 жыл бұрын

The new Candyman had one of the most egregious examples of that I've ever seen, in the climatic scene where he's with his girlfriend and a bunch of white cops rush in and empty dozens of rounds into him for seemingly no reason. It would have been so damn easy to have him reach up to hug or kiss her with his hook hand and some rookie cop comes in and shoots him because he's freaking out and terrified, that would have actually been consistent and conceivable. But nooooo, Jordan Peele just couldn't resist hammering down his narrative, "hey, in case you haven't noticed, white people bad. It's always white people bad." And this is completely overlooking the fact that it was like 10 white cops, in Chicago. Yea, X to doubt on that one. I'm pretty sure Chicago PD is a lot more "diverse" than that.

@RogueFox7050

2 жыл бұрын

The message is like the Borg, it assimilates all that it comes into contact with.

@jaegerbomb269

2 жыл бұрын

@@markzuckergecko621 why I stopped watching Jordan Peele.

@Killerbee_McTitties

2 жыл бұрын

@@RogueFox7050 assimilation implies the ful comprehension, understanding and adoption of ideas, this message cannot be comprehended since its ideas lack logic and its a means to an end not the end itself in this game of power that is being played

@markzuckergecko621

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaegerbomb269 I know, I still go to movies a lot just because I like to, and I love the original Candyman so I thought I would give it a shot. What pissed me off the most is that it was otherwise an excellent movie, he's legitimately a talented filmmaker, although I know he was less involved in this than in Get Out and other movies. But it's still partly him. Just like his other movies though it's well put together, the production quality is excellent and they're well acted and visually great. It's a shame. If he could just set his damn political agenda aside for 12 seconds he could make some real bangers.

I couldn't find the right words or comparison describing the problems that brought the modern movies to what we have now. You have successfully did it. Thank you

It's fitting you showed that Army recruiting cartoon. I had a sudden realization watching that as you were making your point... we live in a cartoon world now. Everything is a cartoon of what it used to be. Remember the commercials for "the few, the proud, the Marines!" and "Be all you can be" and "We do more before 8 am than most folks do all day"... Back then it was about encouraging young people to join the military to be all they could be, develop their talents and abilities and learn new skills and advance as far as their determination and talent would allow. Now it's just a cartoon of that... about looking good instead of being good... about talking about honor and duty while doing whatever is convenient or whatever one is ordered to do by the cartoon characters leading the military and the country. The only way you can advance beyond certain levels is to be willing to lie your @ss off and show that you have NO honor because of it, to serve the politicians and their needs and their interpretation of the role you're supposed to play. Our entire society now has devolved to this point, where it's all about LOOKING good without BEING good. And we wonder why our country is collapsing, as well as those foolish enough to follow us...

As a child, I liked the old Star Trek movies and TV shows precisely because they were about confident, competent adults. Children need positive role models they can aspire to emulate. Don't give children everything they want - give them what they need.

@mikespike2099

2 жыл бұрын

Very wise words - I too enjoyed the comradery and respect the functioning crew had on the old Start Trek..... watch or trying to watch Star Trek Discovery today just makes me want to vomit - where the old star trek had subtle ways of gender empowerment and diversity (Love Captain Janeway) ... star trek discovery goes out of its way to let you know that woman are the only ones fit to be leaders... gay couples and trans people are the only intelligent people on the ship.... it's not that I do not have respect for gender diversity its that the way it was presented in Discovery is just vomit-inducing.

@Teknokill-jm2ub

2 жыл бұрын

Hey hey, let's keep it real. As a child you watched star trek for the same reason we did, laser guns , space ships, a guy with pointed ears, and if you were a teen male a chance to see hoorah sitting in that chair.... Ahem.. but yes you bring out a good point I agree

@leonardceres9061

2 жыл бұрын

@@Teknokill-jm2ub I watched the original Star Trek reruns with my dad as a child. It was cool but kinda bored me a bit. I’m in my 40’s. Nowadays I love watching the old shows again. I never sexualized the characters as a child. But some of those outfits now as an adult definitely catch my attn.

@meissnerflux

2 жыл бұрын

@@Teknokill-jm2ub Fair point. I was fascinated by the tech as a young lad. But, as you know, the moral lessons were there and leave an imprint later in life even if not fully recognized at first. Its like when parents tell kids the right way... the kid wont get it at first, but we sure wouldnt want a lack of such parents. With modern trek, "the inmates are running the asylum".

@Teknokill-jm2ub

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardceres9061 yep😁

“They’re written by children” Now that’s just insulting all the children that can make up a better story.

@silverprimus321boi9

2 жыл бұрын

ikr im fucking 15 and could write a better star wars than these mfs

@bighand1530

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure i agree with the title or him completely on this particular vid.

@Dinoslay

2 жыл бұрын

It all starts from having faith in children, something that not all ”adults” may be capable of.

@thefallenfaith1986

2 жыл бұрын

Axe Cop was written by a child and it was great.

Exactly what I've been thinking. Most of these movies that come out now are ruined with these adolescent jokes that completely take you out of the movie. It's like mythic characters suddenly talking about TikTok. Like why are these characters talking like they're from our world. They're supposed to be Gods, or creatures or whatever. The great irony is that most of the big movies now are from comic book worlds but they don't really act like it. It's like they're ashamed to be fictional beings and instead appeal to modern children.

@Feja2503

6 ай бұрын

''Most of these movies that come out now are ruined with these adolescent jokes that completely take you out of the movie.'' Its a bad thing when casts nowadays are less mature than the characters from friends.

As a writer, I'm saving this video in my special Playlist. Solid critical advice that must be remembered.

It's almost as if if Old Trek portrayed its characters as as actual seasoned military officers. Unlike New Trek that has characters that would have been kicked out of boot camp after a week for being unprofessional.

@richierich8555

2 жыл бұрын

Believable chain of command. It's the reason I loved Stargate SG1 so much.

@marcusaurelius5149

2 жыл бұрын

@@revolverswitch Hey, cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.

@CleverGirlAAH

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcusaurelius5149 That's a reach there, bud.

@bjoernsenp.5664

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure they would get kicked out these days? At least in the U.S. certain army ads make me doubt it.

@MennoSchotten

2 жыл бұрын

@@bjoernsenp.5664 They would get kicked out of a paintball-bootcamp.

That one scene where Kirk got choked up had more emotional impact than entire series' produced today. Literally made me tear up.

@Greg-lo1tl

2 жыл бұрын

Does that to me too. Every time. Even got this guy at one point. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKJ8xLB_itOcYbA.html

@corruptangel6793

2 жыл бұрын

Literally never watched a single episode of Star Trek so I have 0 investment or interest in any of those characters, but even I felt his profound grief.

@theshnock4742

2 жыл бұрын

@@corruptangel6793 Same

@gymbledore9739

2 жыл бұрын

I dont consider any of the new stuff as star trek. its fan fiction. jj ruined star trek and star wars for me. he did the same thing to both. hyper active morons running around saying and doing stupid stuff. picard was destroyed in his show and discovery was awful. cudnt even finish it but TNG i can watch over and over again.

@thekiller7994

2 жыл бұрын

@@corruptangel6793 same

Discipline and professionalism! When I was in the real life Navy I was assigned a task. In the heart of getting it done, my Chief took me off that task to do something menial that I didn’t think mattered. I expressed my discontent right then and there in an immature manner in front of my Chief, another Chief in our same shop, and the First Class that happened to also be my mentor. Oh trust me, I received some on the spot mentoring in that moment. We were the only four in the room. So, there was no inappropriate tearing me down in front of my peers or subordinates. There was also no yelling, or immature behavior on the part of that First Class. Nor did either Chief say a thing. It was exactly as the Chain-of-Command is supposed to work in a professional environment. I was informed, in no uncertain terms, that questioning my Chief’s authority or priorities in an immature manner would not be tolerated. If I had a legitimate different idea I could express it, and then be told which one to do. And, I was not treated as a child, therefore, would never behave as one. When he was done, I apologized to the room of people, and specifically to my Chief, before leaving to do as I was told without further complaint. I still abide by that lesson as a civilian because it is how adults behave!

With the limited amount of decent shows on TV, my wife and I finally started watching CSI and CSI:Miami. We're up to season 10 of CSI, which aired in 2010. We just went into an episode where Sara Sidle was stalked and framed by one of the reoccurring villains of the show. All the way until the end, she is keeping her team in the dark, going after the bad guy by herself and putting herself in situations that, at best, gives the bad guy _HUGE_ advantages and, at worst, will land her in jail. All because of childish emotional bullshit. These people are supposed to be a team. They have worked together for up to a decade. And yet, they don't trust their team enough to go straight to them in situations like this, which directly involves the team and the case(s) they are working. I had a REALLY hard time watching it and had a bit of an outburst a couple of times. Yes, I agree, Hollywood (both movies AND TV series) are putting out worse and worse tripe.

Another good example is Tyrion from GoT HBO series. He was a clever and intelligent character in the books and that translated well in the series. Once the source material ended, you could see the decline and degradation of this once smart and clever character.

@rustyoak8860

2 жыл бұрын

and Varys, and Little Finger, and Jon, and...how the best show I ever watched, became unfit for the CW network still boils my blood.

@NYG5

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha varys you have no coqq

@strawbarry7834

2 жыл бұрын

and to emphasize your point, the dividing line was *so* extreme. you could literally picture the writers sitting in a room all stroking each other over how "clever" they were being. absolute garbage and an unfortunate stain on George R.R. Martin's legacy.

@osmanyousif7849

2 жыл бұрын

The removal of the “Truth about Tysha” from the book, is what ruined Tyrion’s character arc.

@treytilley333

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I thought everyone was going to be prepared for that kind of let down. I was. It really started by season 4 I believe where they started to change source material here and there. Season 1 and 2 was the best book to film/series adaptation I’ve ever seen. Kept to source material and the show exploded.

C.S. Lewis says the difference is the difference between those obsessed with "acting grown-up," and someone who's grown up properly by integrating the innocent enthusiasm of a child's heart with a grown-up's wisdom and intelligence. There's a difference between "childish" and "child-like" The latter doesn't have to make a big show to prove maturity, since it has fully integrated the best of all one's upbringing. The former always feels it has to make big shows to prove it's "very grown up," and demonstrates, if anything, a stunted growth with the person showing just how childish they are.

@bighand1530

2 жыл бұрын

There is people that come off even more childish by trying so hard to act and prove that they are grown up.

@wrestlinganime4life288

2 жыл бұрын

Basically how sjw/anti sjw act or think

@Dinoslay

2 жыл бұрын

It’s exactly why spoiled adolescents are so insufferable. They act like the world circles around them and treat you with the subtlety of a sledgehammer if you as much as exist in the wrong place at the wrong time all the while pretending that doing so is ”grown up”. Seeing the same pettyness everywhere, right down to industries like Hollywood, is heartbreaking.

@nonyabusiness6572

2 жыл бұрын

@@dkangelmichael I don't know, I can see him sitting back in a big old recliner smoking something interesting (you don't think that's tobacco do you?) and having a guilty laugh at the idiocy. :)

@JulianSirian

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on... and I mean, spot on ;-)

Shatner is a marvellous actor ❤️👌

@chrisko6439

Жыл бұрын

😂 😂

I was born in 1982 so didn't even see the wrath of khan until maybe 1987ish. It is still my favorite star trek ever and as far as scifi is concerned it was only beaten by 5th element (fun), interstellar (sad/wonderful), and rogue one (dark and THAT scene). wrath of khan remains the undisputed king in ship on ship combat ever made and really captures the vibe that these are large SHIPS in space.

I am 48 now and when I was watching this old Star Trek movie - as a kid - I was much more moved by the way the characters dealt with things. Nowadays it's just screaming. Literally everywhere. Even on the Social Media... I wonder why..?

@TwistedSoul2002

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a good observation, my daughter is 7 years old and she watches this KZread channel called, “Funneh”. My god- every 3 minutes someone just screams for no reason. I don’t understand what type of reaction they want from their audience… I mean they could be making food and someone will start screaming because they dropped a carrot on the table. It really is a bizarre part of modern culture!

@doltBmB

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's astounding how even movies for kids were so much more true back in the day.

@trockenerkakau6585

2 жыл бұрын

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@daverage4729

2 жыл бұрын

Was watching a horror movie made a few years ago. Christ...the amount of hysterical (rather than terrified) screaming was beyond annoying. More and more I'm watching shows from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Good writing is now a rare occurrence.

@manictiger

2 жыл бұрын

They want controllable, emotionally volatile imbeciles. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy about it.

You're probably my favorite KZreadr right now- thank you sm for voicing everything I want to say, and teaching me lots of things along the way❤ ur the best, man

@slevinchannel7589

Жыл бұрын

...Why's Writing so bad was briefly-but-Interestingly touched-on in the newest Video by "Some More News".

The Data/Worf scene is so good. That's how adults deal with problems in a professional environment. It's highly idealized, but that's the point of Star Trek. It shows what people are capable of if they move past primitive emotions and personal interest.

Old movies: * executes a scene by 'showing' instead of 'telling' in a way that feels natural * Modern movies: "I'm the spy" "I'm the spy" is an actual line in the rise of skywalker...

@kaylons

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@LegacyComics100

2 жыл бұрын

Poe: WHAT!? Finn: YOU!?!

@jca4la

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't know, Last Jedi sucked so hard refused to see the final insult - err - chapter.

@romarudarkeyes

2 жыл бұрын

"Somehow Palpatine returned..." is also in that movie (using the loosest definition of the word movie)

Commenting after watching: A writer is only as interesting as his life experience. You write from the hardships you had, things you had to go through, people you met, places you've seen, cultures you discovered, your profession, even your hobbies. If your only life experience comes from reading Twitter posts, there's no way you can be a good writer period.

@jeffreylawrence6928

2 жыл бұрын

Well said….

@savasayaz8224

2 жыл бұрын

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@steverogers6572

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the drawings in caves that were found to be similar all over the world from Brazil to Russia. How could they all know what to draw if there wasn't communication back then. It's because they have seen it with their own eyes and expierienced it. There are some creepy cave drawings that make it seem like there was some type of animal/humanoid/being roaming around that we cant see today.

@SpaceMonkey23101

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Also, they only consume garbage media. Most of the modern 'writers' have probably never even read an actual book.

@vishaansingh1019

2 жыл бұрын

There's lee-way to this. You can substitute it by consoooming. I know that sounds cynical, but I was functionally retarded throughout my schooling- I could barely speak above a murmur and had zero friends. I still managed to be one of the best writers in my school by simply reading enough that I managed to grasp the "essence" of the human experience, and through watching videos of people interacting, I got a good grasp on sarcasm and irony and used that to become functional in college (to the point where I had multiple people from my past express shock that I'd been "in there" that whole time.) I would argue that the average Twitter poster has a better social life than most people here- they thrive off immediate validation, and they get that through college parties and activism groups. There is a reason "lived experience" is a buzzword in leftist circles. However, as covered in the video, they are emotionally stunted to an extreme, and their characters reflect that. I myself am guilty of this. My traumas (actual, honest to god trauma, not the "PTSD" people like to parrot because they were bullied in middle school) have left me with a comically cynical view on human beings, and I'm worse at writing than I was as a teen, because my stories just devolve into pointless, nihlistic edge for my own immediate catharsis. I'm trying to work on my personal relationships and worldview before I restart my attempts at writing. Orson Scott Card had a good blurb about this in his review of Hacksaw Ridge. He said that he himself had never been in combat, but yet, he was one of the most famous writers of Military Science Fiction ever. How? Because he consoomed. Books upon books, reports upon reports, ledger after ledger, memoir after memoir, of firsthand accounts from veterans. He got an image of what it was like to be in combat- how everything becomes hyperfocused, not "blurred" like Hollywood makes it out. GRRM was a 70s hippie in America, who read book after book on medieval European history (with a bit of I, Cladius thrown in). He became the most famous fantasy writer of the 21st century through this. He wasn't nobleborn, and he wasn't involved in political blood feuds- but he'd read about enough families who had, and histories that had changed because of it. So read. Watch. Consoom. And instead of falling into immediate catharsis from what sucks you in (explosions, romance, blood, laughter, etc.), take a minute to think. Put it into context. Think about how it was created, what inspired it, what it means in a broader context. And decide whether or not you even enjoyed it. You can learn things from even the worst media. But that's my point. Above everything else, read if you wanna write.

I consider myself a relatively "old school" Trekkie, and I've enjoyed most of the iterations of the genre, including the most recent movies (Chris Pine, et al.). That being said, I found this to be a wonderful contrasting piece that really highlighted the differences in, for me, a very telling way. Good stuff!

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Жыл бұрын

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It's the generation who weren't allowed to go out by themselves and explore their neighbourhood. They had their helicopter parents watching them at all times. Had their parents tracking them or calling them on phones. These people leave home for university and then go nuts because they have no idea on how to do things and no way to judge risk.

@nothanks3236

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and then they graduate and go work directly in "entertainment" with no experience doing literally anything else. They've never held jobs, not even so much as bagging groceries in high school.

@feck2594

2 жыл бұрын

That is exactly what I have been saying for years. Kids now adays dont ride bikes , go into the woods and build tree forts , hell half of them have friends that live a quarter mile from each other and play video games from their own houses with headphones on . I personally find it depressing . In 20 years this whole country/world is going to be a completely different place and not for the better .

@paulharries9558

2 жыл бұрын

Just look at the past 2 years. A generation afraid of a cold.

@rogersmith7396

2 жыл бұрын

Cell phone syndromn.

@bighand1530

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogersmith7396 Nothing wrong with cellphones. But don't let that completely stop you from talking in person.

It amazes me how you have managed to put words on a problem that has lurked in the shadows of my mind when watching modern movies. I have not realized it until now, but the movies the majority enjoy are the result of what a generation of people refusing to grow up find entertaining. Thus this is not limited to a comment on movies, but also encompasses the culture and expectations towards becoming an adult.

@StratKruzer

2 жыл бұрын

Basically what I wanted to say, but you said it better than I would have.

@nopenopeson1097

2 жыл бұрын

​@@StratKruzer Well. Had to see this video in order for things to dawn on me, myself.

@itsnotyasir

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if "Show. Don't tell" doesn't apply anymore. :(

@samuelevans5750

2 жыл бұрын

So this is the millennials fault in a way

@uverpro3598

2 жыл бұрын

I think the audience is more mature than the content creators.

And this is why I watch the classics, the same movies I watched growing up. They were written by people who understood how adults spoke to one another, who understood the value of silent moments, people who valued a good story. These same movies, and what they represent, still ring true today. They good when I was a kid, and they're great now, because they're so much better and smarter than anything Hollywood has released in decades.

Speaking of writing: I'd love to see a video about your experiences getting published, and part of that, a general how-to for those of us aspiring amateurs (how to secure an agent and/or publisher, editing, publication, etc.)

@safechemical4463

Жыл бұрын

I think he already made that video on his second channel, titled "How To Get Your Book Published: Three Not-So-Easy Steps"

@heptoman

Жыл бұрын

@@safechemical4463 Thanks.

Like Tolkien said: Evil cannot create anything new, Evil can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have already created.

@pleasegoawaydude

Жыл бұрын

That's excessively dramatic.

@jeanrock3047

Жыл бұрын

@@pleasegoawaydude Maybe. Or maybe it's just Tolkien doing his brilliant thing.

@aymanayad7230

Жыл бұрын

@@pleasegoawaydude drama is life without the boring bits

@zerothefaceless4888

Жыл бұрын

That's from TVTropes trying to convey the general idea. The actual quote from the book is "The Shadow that bred them [orcs] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."

@zakolascage5808

Жыл бұрын

@fck peace so suddenly the whole dynamics shifted? When did that happen? 20 years ago adults didn’t work and went to the cinema that’s why the movies were normal or what are you trying to say.

I put forth the assertion that these writers, in addition to not understanding masculinity, don't understand femininity either. All we get is "badass" women who can do no wrong, lecture endlessly, and cry pretty at the drop of a hat. Feminine strength is not male strength in a long trenchcoat; it often manifests entirely differently, and if we have the chance to speak and be listened to when we need to speak up about any type of unfairness, it is of the utmost importance to do so in a way that will be heard, aka with some semblance of compassion and calmness. This modern shit is about as feminine as an empty broken sanitary napkin dispenser.

@chuckn4851

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely. Very well put!

@adzmo5422

2 жыл бұрын

I think you've just reinforced CD's point. Pre-pubescent children have the same strength and energy. The girls are often bigger and stronger than the boys at those ages. So it makes sense that the female strength these writers depict is exactly the same as male strength; they're writing from the viewpoint of a 10 year old.

@BillLaBrie

2 жыл бұрын

Strong women characters should be destructive, arrogant, and infinitely violent. This is because that’s the only type of strength an 8-year-old can understand. And that’s the mental age of most people these days.

@NamesAreRandom

2 жыл бұрын

That's because they have to show men and women are now the same. So everyone has to be the same - equal physical strength, equally emotional, etc. Combine this with a need to reject traditional values as toxic (so things like chains of authority are bad) and we end up where we are. Basically showing you are part of the liberal woke tribe is more important than writing anything that makes any logical sense.

@mygoogle1594

2 жыл бұрын

@Tabitha Provan.. Yuk. What a image to close the post on. Otherwise, good points.

Very astute observation of the Dune franchise. Even though it has already had a movie adaptation *and* a TV series on the Scifi Channel, it's an excellent showcase that remakes or reboots can still be done well 😊

@atticstattic

7 ай бұрын

In that case, there was a LOT of room for improvement

This video is more true today than it was a year ago. The writers are on strike and I couldn't care less because the writers and directors aren't doing their jobs and are relying on SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF to make their movies interesting. People go to the movies to be entertained and we sit there thinking about what we just saw and once we leave the theater, instead of having a deep ,insightful, positive discussion, we end up saying how unbelievable and unrealistic that was and we say to ourselves "if I were a writer I could have done a better job instead of RELYING on the SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF ! I should have just waited for it to come out on TV and saved myself all that money!"

There's an interview with Shatner (on the bluray I think), where he talks about how hard he worked to nail that "let them die" scene. He didn't agree with it and didnt think it was something Kirk would say. He agreed to do the scene as long as the moment the says it, he realises what he says and you see him give a physical expression to show that he regretted it. I think that little gesture is still in the scene, but Shatner was not happy with the way Nicholas Meyer edited it, to separate the "let them die" and the gesture of regret, by cutting ro Spock. He felt that you NEEDED to see the gesture in the same shot to emphasise how it was a "shit, I shouldn't have said that" moment. Can you imagine ANYONE from Discovery putting that much thought or care in to their characters' scenes?

@yuriythebest

2 жыл бұрын

what's really sad is that from the interviews I saw, Shatner/Patrick Stewart don't seem to "get" the character/show's phylosophy that they've been playing for many years, for example Shatner was all about adding the mention of (the christian ) god to one of the movies, and Patrick Stewart thought that the new Picard show was amazing. Seems only the scriptwiters for the original shows really "got it.'

@glenmcl

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen every episode of Discovery. I cannot remember a single characters name. Says everything really.

@stephenshelton4267

2 жыл бұрын

Discovery writers: The scene needed more 'splosions and Kirk and that elf guy should have kissed.

@penske_material

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuriythebest most actors are empty vessels living inside a bubble.

@dontgiveinfo

2 жыл бұрын

I tapped out of Discovery into the middle of the season. i was done. I knew it was going to be an SJW shit show. Plz. I hope you tapped out earlier than I

The Last Jedi is one of the biggest prime examples of adults acting like children in a very dire situation.

@mister-pinkman

2 жыл бұрын

Disney-fied

@lordfrostwind3151

2 жыл бұрын

The only character that remotely interested me was the Dreadnought Captain who seemed to be the only sane man in the movie. I legitimately wish he had survived the opening battle.

@TheBottlenose33

2 жыл бұрын

I'll have to take your word for it as I only managed 15 minutes before turning it off.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordfrostwind3151 Fun fact - his name is Captain Kennedy. Just to think about it...

@PHDiaz-vv7yo

2 жыл бұрын

They fly now??!!! Don’t correct me. I know that line is from The Risible Skywalker. My boys needed me to drive them to the cinema to watch that bollox

Imagine what Starfleet Academy must look like in the rotten Kelvin timeline. George Kirk‘s death must have had greater ripple effect than just the loss of one officer‘s life.

This started in 1995 or earlier. I took my sister's kids to "Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls". My high-school niece was grossed out. My elementary nephew was confused. My junior-high nephew was laughing his head off. When "American Pie 2" came out on DVD, the "bonus material" was ten scenes most liked by viewers; nine out of ten were gross-out jokes. The writers are producing shit, but they know their audience. And "Dune" is based on a great novel; it was not created in Hollywood.

It kind of downed on me when I discussed The Last Of Us 2 with people. Almost everyone who liked it was only interested in the emotions, how it made them feel, regardless of how stupid the story actually was. I think that's what modern entertainment is doing - it reduced itself into simplistic, intense, short outburst of emotions because neither viewers nor writers have a capacity to consume more nuanced or subtle storytelling.

@peachmelba1000

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot like the 20 somethings I work with. I feel horrible for them.

@mongooseunleashed

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, trying to talk about that game objectively causes people to get into a tizzy.

@ahmedibnadam3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaahzpervect5755 what scene/dialogue specifically?

@NormanReaddis

2 жыл бұрын

don't forget about the shock factor and political undertones of it. They Implemented subverting the expectations so badly, it's quite head shaking. still it garnered mostly all the awards cause they tick the requirements of the modern day politics, than weighting what that games as an overall is all about.

@aliakseikosik200

2 жыл бұрын

I liked it for the exact opposite reasons.. The gameplay, beautiful graphics/visuals and details lol. Not the story for sure

Wow. Never thought of it that way but you’re spot on. Damn. Great analysis and synopsis of what plagues most movies/shows these days. By/for children indeed.

Thanks for this video. I was totally confused as to what happened to the movie script writing. Makes total sense.

"Is it nice when characters are smart and control their emotions" -- Yes, and frankly, seeing Kylo Ren throw a fit with his light-saber in that first movie that he was in ... his character couldn't recover from that in my eyes. It was an angry child. And some people will defend that writing by saying that he was a Sith, and so given to anger. Yeah... I guess... but when Vader got pissed, he also killed people, but it didn't seem like he lost his temper, he was just angry and vicious.... but not out of control. Point in fact, at one point in the original trilogy, Luke escaped... and Vader just calmed turned on that cat-walk on the Destroyer and calmly strode off. Obviously he was pissed.... but he didn't have a tantrum.

@BaconNuke

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically I think the point of Kylo having temper tantrums was him meaning to be whiny.. like he thought he was big shit when he was just grasping at random info of "dark side" that obviously would of been suppressed They still could written that whole trilogy better by.. maybe keeping the same team for all of them instead of like.. 3 different people in charge...

@MaynardGK

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, yes, "I find your lack of faith disturbing," cool and controlled fury, no need for histrionics. People "got" that, even kids.

@Acid_Viking

2 жыл бұрын

See, I thought Kylo Ren was *intended* to be a confused, angry kid who envied Vader's power, but lacked his strength. One of the only things I appreciated about those films was that they didn't present Ren as being equal to, or surpassing, his predecessor. Vader is such an iconic villain that any new Star Wars antagonist was bound to feel like an imitation, so I think they just leaned into that and portrayed Ren as an imitator.

@VinceLyle2161

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn't even pissed when he annihilated all those rebels in that hallway in Rogue One. If anything, he was making a point.

@krausewitz6786

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaconNuke "Ironically I think the point of Kylo having temper tantrums was him meaning to be whiny" OK, fine....but why would anyone want a "whiny" villain? You can't be scared or intimidated by someone like that (at least not in the long run).....which is why he was NEVER intimidating. He failed to show that he posed a real threat, and therefore failed as an antagonist.

This is extremely accurate, and totally depressing.

@SnakeWasRight

2 жыл бұрын

Great men breed good times, good times breed weak men, weak men breed bad times. We are in that place where good times turn bad. Fortunately though, bad times breed great men and the whole cycle begins again.

@spaghetto9836

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, it's not really *depressing.* Older people always see the younger generation as a declining spiral into chaos without their values, when the truth is things constantly change. The only issue I see in Star Trek was that they weren't consistent with the traits of a pre-established character; other than that, if a character is loud & impulsive, or soft & emotional as part of their personality, so be it, as long as they grow later. Tbh I don't even think modern movies suck as a whole to the point of not going to cinemas, since there'll always be more bad films released in a year than gems- we're not even taking into account if he's talking about films in the US alone, bc foreign films still rock.

@TheOcelotSlayer

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaghetto9836 the issue is that most adults in these films are constantly yelling and acting out like 5 year olds and somehow they keep their jobs anyway and act like that behavior is normal.... He literally pointed it out in the video. No one likes a 40 year old throwing a tantrum and they sure don't deserve the respect these movies seem to think they deserve.

@spaghetto9836

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOcelotSlayer Tbh I'm very used to characters doing crap that'd make them lose their jobs, but instead they're rewarded. What matters to me is that the conflict & character development is good. Otherwise my anterior point stands. Also I'm directing myself mainly to OP and how he said that this is "depressing", implying some sort of worry about downfall for modern films in general, bc the men keep getting more emotional- which I got the same vibe from Drinker. It's almost like he wants the viewers to see it that way & be worried.

@TheOcelotSlayer

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaghetto9836 You're ignoring the issue. It's not that recognizing men can be emotional too is wrong, it's the fact that most media portrays adults like they're 5 year olds, but still expect both the characters interacting with them and the audience to have some type of respect for them, like they deserve their position, when they are no better than a stubborn teenager. It's embarrassing watching adults yell at each other like children because they don't get their way.

The original Star Trek was written by men who had been to war and understood what it meant to sacrifice the needs of the one to the needs of the many--including emotional needs. The writers of Hollywood movies today probably didn't make it through a couple of weeks of summer camp without cracking. What a fall was there.

Hi Drinker! I'm bingeing your stuff, and this video is awesome. I've been a Star Trek fan since the original series. I also loved The Next Generation: despite a rocky start it was mostly well written, as you say. Then our TV networks began airing random DS9 episodes at 3 AM, and ST became simply impossible to follow for me. I watched all the classic movies in theaters, and actually did not mind the "new" movies too much (I still have to watch your videos about Into Darkness, muahahaha). But your comparisons are so on point that I've just realized what a great actor William Shatner is, beyond all the memes, and how fine the writing was back then. Today's products are at best fun, but they don't give me the same sense of universal belonging and empathy that was there just a few years ago. That's what a Classic does. Instead we get hammered with The Message every time. Thanks for speaking out!

I've always liked that scene in Star Trek: The Next Generation between Data and Worf. Data, a non-emotional android, laying down the law to a rather insubordinate crew member in a very professional manner. And Worf, a normally rather temperamental guy, keeping his temper in check when being reprimanded by his superior and admitting their disagreement was his fault. Both apologize and acknowledge that they're still cool and go back to the matter at hand. They had a difficult moment in their professional lives but didn't let that end their personal friendship. A really great scene indeed made even better since it involved my two favorite characters in the series.

@mikavirtanen7029

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically Riker didn't fare as well in Chain of Command two-parter when Captain Jellicoe took briefly command of the Enterprise. Riker continually undermined his commanding officer just because he didn't like Jellicoes command style, and acted like an ass. I lost all respect for the character after that.

@LordWyatt

2 жыл бұрын

I knew exactly the scene you were talking about. Great scene.

@lukewalken1316

2 жыл бұрын

I like that scene too Data counseling and correcting. Same thing in a ST Voyager episode where Choktay counseled and corrected Tom Pàris

@CptTachyon

2 жыл бұрын

I also liked how Worf was given the chance to defend himself and for Data to explain why that defence didn't work as a First Officer, which helped give insight to how Worf was thinking. It just seemed like a case of Worf not taking to the role of First Officer too well initially, which is understandable, since he was just thrust into the role from a security officer for the first time, and if I remember the episode correctly, he does a better job towards the end. Also helps the viewers learn a bit more about the roles in a Federation Starship too. A modern take would have likely just have Data speaking over and humiliating Worf.

@grayscribe1342

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikavirtanen7029 True. That was one of the few times when TNG writing wasn't that good as it could have been. Especially as Riker is essentially right to question Jellico, but doesn't argue his points. They are in a crisis situation that could grow into a war. The crew already has to work with an unfamiliar captain and Jellico changes the shifts and other stuff. Especially the shift change is something I question in that situation. When there is the possibility of an armed conflict, you don't change the routine without good reason. That can cost seconds, even minutes of reaction time which could become a risk for the entire ship.