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@matthewquartermain8291

4 жыл бұрын

The Critical Drinker another banger!

@tmass1

4 жыл бұрын

go away now

@rang123yea5

4 жыл бұрын

You missed one of Tony Stark's main flaws he's an alcoholic, but then again I guess you wouldn't consider that's flaw.

@robertb.seddon1687

4 жыл бұрын

😎🤙 bringing the world just a little closer to reality with every episode!

@lhfinatl7068

4 жыл бұрын

The Critical Drinker- "What makes a good character is a writer's respect and investment in the character. They're well written, flawed and relatable." Disney/CBS- "You want us to respect white male privilege?"

It's simple. People cried and were respectfully silent when Tony Stark died. When Captain Marvel was punched, people cheered. That simple.

@olewedekind7916

3 жыл бұрын

ItS bEcAuSe ShE iS a FeMaLe

@LRTrack

3 жыл бұрын

No, it was because she (as the character was written) was a pompous MarySue. When Judy Dench's character "M" died in Skyfall, I cried my eyes out. Her character was well written and well acted. The Captain Marvel character was 2 dimensional at best and a victim of crappy writing, timing and wooden acting. I would have cheered her demise.

@sephandremanticore5438

3 жыл бұрын

@@LRTrack woosh But seriously, nobody cared that Luke Skywalker or Leia died either. Because neither of them were the characters that fans were familiar with. Any newcomers couldn't be emotionally attached to them either, because these films failed to make them legit interesting. Hell, I'd argue the same is true for the treatment of Han. I sincerely hope a new trilogy is released with just Luke, Han, and Lando. They can say they are avenging the death of Leia, it's fine. Just actually give us those characters instead of a scant shade of who they're supposed to be.

@sephandremanticore5438

3 жыл бұрын

Tacking onto what I just replied, Chewbacca's "death" could have been legit "heart-rending" if they had stuck with it rather than backpedaling, because at least Chewbacca was in all three movies had became a legit character.

@willowfrog33

3 жыл бұрын

Tony Stark died? Sorry, I got bored with this shit years ago.

People like good characters? Sounds like a patriarchal micro-aggression.

@tomgeytenbeek2207

4 жыл бұрын

Dude. I know this is a joke. But it's gotten to the point where my body literally entered fight-or-flight mode just reading something like that. The war's been going too long, mate. I don't think I'll ever fully return to my old innocence, my faith in people. I wonder if hearing phrases like this sixty years down the track will set me into a flashback... I'm not optimistic :(

@GeneralKatarn

4 жыл бұрын

This comment is gold🤣

@Artanys62

4 жыл бұрын

I am literally shaking, completely flabbergassed by this idea itself. We need to ban good characters, they are supporting white nazi alt-right fascist supremacy.

@LinkMarioSamus

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, if you're sexist.

@tomgeytenbeek2207

4 жыл бұрын

@@LinkMarioSamus you might be aware of this already, but just in case, the original comment wasn't being serious :) if they were, we would have already thoroughly defenestrated them

"You know what audiences want?" "Purple haired admirals in evening gowns breaking the rules of the previous cinematic world building by doing idiotic things?" "Exactly."

@aaroncabatingan5238

2 жыл бұрын

Admiral Holdo could have worked if she was an actual asshole officer. But the director wanted us to root for that piece of shit instead. Honestly, it would be more enjoyable if Holdo got her head bashed in at the end of the movie. It would be so satisfying. But no, the director wanted her to be a hero so they came up with a made-up tactic(hyperspace ramming should not have worked, or if it does, it shouldn't have been effective) just to make her look good. Now we're all wondering why didn't the Rebel Alliance in Episode 4 send every single nebulons or GR-75 medium transports they have and rammed them all into the fuckin Death Star like a missile. Why didn't the Empire just hyperspace ram Hoth using a single star destroyer. Its cheaper than a ground invasion and less complicated. Why didn't the Rebels in Episode 6 used the lambda they stole and hyperspace ram the fucking shield generator on the surface of Endor. In the Clone Wars Series, during the Ryloth Campaign, why didn't Anakin Skywalker just hyperspace ram the Lucrehulk(Droid Control ship) using the Venator? If he did that, Ahsoka wouldn't have needed to neutralize the rest of the fleet since hyperspace ramming is so effective that it can also damage the other ships next to it apparently.

@Shuizid

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaroncabatingan5238 Modern movies just love to solve conflict with new tools. StarTrek has hyperspace beaming, magic blood and black-hole juice. MCU has "quantum realm" and timetravel. The Loki-show had tenpads, reality bombs and the "Oh yeah, your personal magic abilities arbitrarily don't work in this random space" or movie-devices that conveniently montage character arcs... StarWars has hyperspace suddenly being able to avoid shields, loose opponents AND turn into a deadly weapon. Good thing they don't have autonomous robots or remote-control options to turn any ship into a projectile weapon - on top of their general refusal to using projectile weapons and instead favor much slower easy-to-track energy weapons.

@v.e.l.pianist7848

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shuizid thing is... the fans would probably be able to forgive all that if the characters of the story were compelling, but even those they have to ruin. Where Anakin's tale was about a talented being refusing to go the hard way of serious and long jedi training and ultimately falling to his own desires, making his downfall a story of talent without discipline (in a very simplified way, please don't crucify me), Rey's tale would be about a talented individual succeeding in doing everything the hardworking ones couldn't do with minimal training, thus portraying the message of talent being more important than effort. Their message is terrible, the characters are terrible and therefore we look to consistency to somehow find anything to like about our childhood franchise, but even there they miss the mark by a landslide

@Shuizid

2 жыл бұрын

@@v.e.l.pianist7848 Oh the yeah fans would totally forgive that. Because it's just background fluff. Worldbuilding is a nice intellectual exercise but most people don't watch movies for intellectual work but to feel with the characters. Hence Harry Potter is popular despite it's world just being horrible. Because people focus on the maincast expiriencing this magical world with all it's wonders and unique ideas - not on the logistic of turning a deathtrap into a school (among many MANY other things). Modern movies are seemingly written by idiots who have trouble even spelling the word "arc". Anakin had an arc, which was bogged down by horribly movie decisions. Rey had no arc.

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shuizid Yeah, absolutely right and I don’t necessarily need a professor in engineering to develop theoretical concepts that could 100% work for the universe, it just needs to be consistent in itself. Like you have Robots that are virtually identically to humans and hyperadvanced computers in general, there is obviously no reason to having to control a spaceship yourself. Also why do they keep doing things like acting as if Shields are impenetrable no matter how long they’re shot at, you can’t create or destroy energy, that’s one of the fundamental laws of existence, the shields will have to be overloaded at some point or the fact that they could only deflect energy weapons while it had been made obvious that physical objects (WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BULLETS) can pass through them so why does nobody give up the dumbass lasers even though they aren’t even more capable than regular rifles, at least in moments like this you’d expect it. and why tf can’t the star destroyer fleet in RoS just go up lmao

"People bonded with Luke because fundamentally he was a well written character played by a good actor..." This. Right. Here.

@MESRogerStudios

4 жыл бұрын

J Truts wdym

@sephandremanticore5438

3 жыл бұрын

@@MESRogerStudios wdym wdym

@yatharthjain2273

3 жыл бұрын

the actors in last jedi werent even bad

@stevanthewise7240

3 жыл бұрын

XEN_WOLF F it’s not a matter of the actors though. Their ability to act doesn’t necessarily change the fact that they were written badly. I’m no critic of acting so I can’t speak on that but bad writing is bad writing and it is t the actors fault all the time, it’s more of the script and story

@arcadeinvader8086

3 жыл бұрын

@@yatharthjain2273 Yeah and it's a damn shame the writing was so bad cause I really do like the majority of the actors in the sequels

People like good characters? They must be toxic fans!

@bryanneideffer3969

4 жыл бұрын

No out of step with modern culture good characters people are you rebels you bigots haters racists conform or be shunned!

@thesupremeatheistintellect64

4 жыл бұрын

@Starscream91 Brad Burns from the manga Green Blood.

@shanechannel7066

4 жыл бұрын

💩

@thesupremeatheistintellect64

4 жыл бұрын

@@Abby-lh1gc Yeah i can see that, like Father Gascoigne.

@freebee8221

4 жыл бұрын

Even jabba the hut was a better character than rey, fin and poe combined

It's almost as if we judge people and characters on their personality and morals rather than who they sleep with

@fattiger6957

4 жыл бұрын

That's the way the world should be, but the very loud people are obsessed with tribalism. Sticking people into categories based on superficial features, segregating them then deriving moral integrity based on those vague categories.

@DG-mk7kd

4 жыл бұрын

But what about their identity checkboxes?

@aetherblackbolt1301

4 жыл бұрын

Nah you do judge people on who they sleep with, but not because of the innate features of their mate, but the personality qualities of their mate.

@Dreadjaws

4 жыл бұрын

B-but She-Ra fanbase claims that who characters want to sleep with is _all that matters._ Personalities, goals and characters arcs don't need to be consistent or even exist as long as we know exactly who everyone wants to fuck. And that show got a fifth season, so it can't be wrong! This is logical thought!

@reginaphalange9417

4 жыл бұрын

or than their gender or color

Flawed = relatable Suffering = empathic Wanting = intriguing Taking action = engaging Struggling = bonding Overcoming = empowering Growing / improving = satisfying Winning = rewarding

@Horltum

2 жыл бұрын

Except that winning isn't rewarding unless they've lost.

@ApusApus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Horltum That's why it is the last in the list

@briansimerl4014

2 жыл бұрын

@@Horltum losers gonna lose

@theserpent8667

Жыл бұрын

Rey only ticks the box of winning. What a surprise.

@darthgoldustgamingandvlogg8674

Жыл бұрын

In the words of baron zemo: fair

I am not white nor male and yet I feel for Luke Skywalker. I can empathize with him. I don't want him to lose. I want him triumphant. Meanwhile I don't give a damn about Rey, Shrek Tico, Vice Admiral Gender Studies or Captain Sociopathy. They can all die horribly and I wouldn't feel the slightest.

@thekodex1186

3 жыл бұрын

Don't do Shrek dirty like this dude But completely agree

@chrisinstasis7986

3 жыл бұрын

Rose. Such a pishy character. Basically just an extra shoehorned in so Finn had someone to talk to. Never stood a chance. I really do feel sorry for the actress, she was given a bucketful of shit to work with. Or Laura Dern, she did an excellent job. Aloof, sexist, condescending, secretive, unlikeable. She portrays all that brilliantly. I mean for godssakes she's so unlikeable that a significant chunk of her holier than thou "Resistance" crew mutinies and it seems totally believable because of the previous asshole behaviour. Good acting, terrible character.

@grayski3324

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisinstasis7986 Yep. Here character is so terrible that there are millions of her figures rotting along side other Sequel Trilogy toys.

@silverletter4551

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisinstasis7986 More like shoehorned in to drag the guy around by his nose. All females are supposed to be depicted as the "master", don't you know? That's why that Rey character was automatically a Jedi master without any training or knowledge.

@pzyqux6641

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, calling rose shrek is NOT okay. Shrek is one of the best characters in movie history and the shrek movie is a textbook example on how to make a good family movie.

The “boy scout” protagonist is often made more interesting when the world is not only constantly beating against their moral foundation, but also when the choice of doing the right thing costs them. It allows the audience to connect with them when get to see how much the hero must sacrifice of themselves to do what is right. A quippy character may be more fun minute to minute on screen, but a well written, upright character can rise to tell a story that’s overall more impactful. A character’s selling point should never ever ever EVER be their race, sex, or who they like to sleep with. That’s a billboard sign of a weak, shallow character.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! 👍

@OneTrueVikingbard

4 жыл бұрын

as a writer, i've never received that feedback. it's always "make your heroes flawed. we want someone who acts morally reprehensible and still thinks of themselves as a decent person." it's sickening, and it makes me doubt that people really do like morally righteous protagonists like Luke Skywalker (especially when people were wholesale trashing him up until 2017)

@codyh9175

4 жыл бұрын

@@OneTrueVikingbard wdym people love Luke, up until TLJ at least.

@OneTrueVikingbard

4 жыл бұрын

Sauce Boss before TLJ, all I ever heard was that he was a whiner and a boyscout, and it made me ashamed to admit that I liked him. Then 2017 came and out of the woodwork, the same people who trashed him are saying that they “always loved him since day one.” And all I can say is “where the hell were you before TLJ? Why were your voices silent when Luke was being trashed by mainstream opinions?”

@whoareyou1034

4 жыл бұрын

Finally someone said it.

"It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding." Upton Sinclair

@PitchToTheRhino1

4 жыл бұрын

Which is why you can't serve God AND mammon.

@carybeweary7209

4 жыл бұрын

@@PitchToTheRhino1 mammon?

@carybeweary7209

4 жыл бұрын

Good quote. Very true

@SkyNinja759

4 жыл бұрын

@@carybeweary7209 Mammon is "money" in the New Testament. The quote basically means either serve your moral compass (virtuous) or serve your greed (money), you can't have both.

@RedFloyd469

3 жыл бұрын

@Shirane No Kappa Sounds like bullshit "advice", regardless.

Mark Hamill cares so much for the character of Luke Skywalker. You can tell it's not just because he played him, he cares about the importance/impact the character has on our culture.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 жыл бұрын

he still took the money to play Luke again though. bad decision. shouldve stayed retired. he doesnt seem to enjoy being a sellout like harrison ford does.

@kylemerkley2548

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSuperappelflap Yah he signed a contract way before knowing all of the details and script. He's shown many times how genuinely shocked he was with the direction of the character.

@unidentifiedguy8253

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Mark Hamill is a whiny liberal. I can almost guarantee he was endorsing the woke movement until it affected his little legacy.

@raeganthompson6068

Жыл бұрын

Mark Hamill is a snowflake crybaby though so it makes sense that he’d be okay with the older character

@stormyweathers9887

11 ай бұрын

Then why did he subject himself to such humiliation?!

Classic Luke: successfully reasons with a mass-murdering evil cyborg wizard because he believes there's still some humanity left inside the monster. Woke Luke: goes to live on a remote island and drink green milk straight from the alien boob because he failed to murder his sleeping teenage nephew who was having some angsty thoughts. There's no need to decanonise shitty sequels when they are clearly not part of the original canon to begin with.

@themarsman5155

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say woke but more of a deconstructed character so that fans can think maybe he wasn't the hero they thought was. Fans would rather of seen a Luke that reached out and tried to help ben but was to late. People would like Luke that way because it would mean Luke is still the hopeful and optimistic character we love and not a depressed asshole who has given up on the jedi

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

@person person He didn’t try to murder a child in sleep because he got cold feet though And it’s obviously just a carbon copy of yoda anyway, the "lost master that needs to be found in a remote location". With the difference that Rey, of course, was already perfect anyway before so there literally was no reason for her to go there if you recall the events. Her character at the end is virtually identical to the beginning of TFA, where is the character development? What has she learned except approval about being perfect already? Sorry, a little bit of a tangent there

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

@person person So to prevent him from murdering children he’d murder children? This is exactly how a Sith would think, not a Jedi, and much less Luke. There’s a way to make him believably be more bitter but this here is before he had secluded himself away from everyone, so it comes off completely random why he acts so impulsive, bitter and unwise. Even if Luke was 100% convinced that something evil is taking hold of Kylo, HE HAS SEEN HIS OWN FATHER, THE GREATEST SERVANT UNDER THE EMPIRE FOR DECADES, KILL THE EMPEROR BEFORE HIS VERY OWN EYES! There is no reason to assume he wouldn’t search for the good in Kylo or at least try to make that side overpower the dark side. He believed in his father at the most unlikely of times, this character was hope incarnate, like Mark Hamill said, and we hadn’t gotten a reason to assume why he’d change like this during his time at the new jedi order.

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

@person person How tf are you getting confused here, I don’t think I’ve been subtle or ambiguous in any way. This is an example of character assassination put to film here

@darthgoldustgamingandvlogg8674

Жыл бұрын

🙄

Luke would have never given up on his nephew. Its as simple as that. I remember watching it and just shaking my head because it didn't make any sense

@MrXandervm

4 жыл бұрын

"I know there is still good in you" Luke said to his father, cyborg laser space Hitler. There's no way he'd just go and try and kill his nephew like that no way.

@Jack-kx5rf

3 жыл бұрын

He sees the good inside the most proficient killer in all galactic history but was willing to kill his nephew because of a bad dream. Doesn't make sense at all.

@Xehanort10

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-kx5rf A good thing sequel trilogy Luke or "Jake" as Mark Hamill called him doesn't live in the Nightmare on Elm Street world. He'd kill the Springwood kids for having nightmares about Freddy Krueger.

@emaentico

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrXandervm Yeah, that's exactly.. you've got at least 4-movies-worth of the franchise showing Vader in all his darkness... and Luke still believes he's redeemable. Compare that with a few seconds of a dream sequence sequence for Ren, and Luke's logic becomes a mystery box.

@mightymartianca

3 жыл бұрын

The problem for the plotting of the film is that the obvious solution to explaining why Luke and Ben Solo fell out would have essentially been a replay of the final showdown between Obiwan Kenobe and Anakin Skywalker, and suddenly the writers wanted to stop ripping off the original trilogy

Luke spent most of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back getting his ass handed to him. The Tusken Raiders kick his ass, the guy in the cantina kicks his ass, the garbage compactor monster kicks has ass and Han has to save him from Darth Vader kicking his ass in the Death Star trench. In Empire the Wompa kicks his ass, Yoda kicks his ass, and Darth Vader kicks his ass, again. Compare that to Rey who endlessly......wins.....every.....single.....time...........yawn

@LordofMovies91

4 жыл бұрын

Damn, didn't realize just how much Luke got his ass handed to him before. Ha. Also, never could get into the sequel trilogy either. I saw The Force Awakens twice, The Last Jedi once because I was bored and it was on Netflix, and have yet to see The Rise of Skywalker.

@soulfulcabbage7616

4 жыл бұрын

@@LordofMovies91 TLJ was just terrible

@nimrodery

4 жыл бұрын

Luke can see and fight an invisible droid a few hours into learning the force, in the first movie. He's a farm boy who happens to be the best pilot in the universe having (never?) flown a spaceship. The Tuskan raiders "kicked his ass" but there isn't a mark on him and it doesn't hurt, it's not even an important part of the plot. "The guy in the cantina" doesn't kick anyone's ass, he acts tough and gets his arm hacked off. Even the Wompa only gives him a scar, and who won that one? The only character who even delays Luke's march to the end is Yoda. Getting his hand cut off should have been an obstacle, but they have robo-hands and the plot carries on towards the inevitable "good guys win" conclusion. I keep looking for this incredible story and amazing characters in Star Wars who undergo "development" through "difficulty," but the films keep showing a lazily written cash grab.

@michaelmccrady6457

4 жыл бұрын

@@nimrodery Compared to what? The sequel trilogy. Surely you jest?

@nimrodery

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmccrady6457 There was a good Star Wars film? I suppose Empire was okay, because a director got a hold of it and it wasn't the George Lucas show, but brainless entertainment seems the most the films can offer. Not complaining, I bought the toys when I was a kid and got my money's worth (mostly) at the box office and blu-ray. I don't need the new films to conform to my own personal nostalgic view of them. I lost the nostalgia feel with the ewoks. If I still had any, the drones, midichlorians and plot of the Phantom Menace killed what was left. The sequels were bad, and the originals weren't much better. Hell, I'm madder about Greedo shooting than I could ever get about sequel 7 8 and 9 out of any franchise. Imagine getting that wrapped up in the last few installments of "Friday the Thirteenth" (not that there aren't people who do).

*Star Wars TLJ receives backslash* Rian Johnson: Enough! I am a god you dull creature. And I will bot be bullied by... *Smashing* the Fandom: puny god

@act2wasstronger182

2 жыл бұрын

Is that a Jojo reference?

@righthandwolf306

2 жыл бұрын

@@act2wasstronger182 That reference is from the first Avengers movie, when Loki gets pummeled by the Hulk. Linky-thingy: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWWOzNCreLWedaQ.html

@act2wasstronger182

2 жыл бұрын

@@righthandwolf306 I know bro😂 There's this meme about everything being a jojo reference, so I just made a poor joke based on that😁😁

@righthandwolf306

2 жыл бұрын

@@act2wasstronger182 That'll teach me to be less literal minded. Oh well . . .

@act2wasstronger182

2 жыл бұрын

@@righthandwolf306 it's ok....not watching jojo is a forgivable shortcoming, so long as you rectify it..

You forgot to mention it is also important how the characters interact and relate to each other, like Luke, Han and Leia. The way the three relate to each other and grow together is important. Luke and Leia feel a bond, but romance is awkward for reasons we discover. Luke and Han develop a deep camaraderie though they are very different. Each of the three will genuinely sacrifice everyting for the others and learn to trust each other at a deep level.

@colinluckens9591

2 жыл бұрын

Modern writers don't seem capable of creating "complex" three-way relationships like that nowadays😔😔😔.....

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinluckens9591 We can all support the very Concept of Smart Writing Itself. Random examples: Jay Excis 5 hour Video, Madvocates Flash-Coverage, Terrible Wrirting Advice, Drinker himself (duh) and Hbomberguy. Oh, and you can support Noob-Writers or even become one yourself. Channel like Reedsy and Krimson Rogue help you improve.

@reidycruise

Жыл бұрын

And mates take the piss out of each other

"But by the final film, he's learned to temper his power with wisdom, compassion and restraint." That is so true! Return of the Jedi *is* the final Star Wars film

@Nikua13

4 жыл бұрын

but not the end of Luke. The Heirs to the Empire books do a great service to his character. : )

@danmanx2

4 жыл бұрын

My son will NEVER see the broken-SJW-NPC-female agenda-sellout trilogy.

@djstrongarmgmail

4 жыл бұрын

There could have been so much more...we could have had "the Adventures of Luke Skywalker" or a good 7, 8, 9, if Lucas had actually cared. Anything along those lines would have gotten the respect and adoration it deserved....Instead...George had delusions of grandeur, and made the prequels. Which, could have been made NOW and would have been amazing.

@j.m.w.5064

4 жыл бұрын

@@danmanx2 as if those films were bad because of the things you fear. What's wrong with putting a foot down for justice? What's wrong with being pro women? Enerving individuals don't make the opposite a better option. I guess if your son turns out to be gay you will go mental.

@micheleandhenrycasavant386

4 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna agree and take your statement a bit further. The original trilogy told a story of beloved characters and what role they played in the destruction of an evil empire so that a fair republic could be rebuilt. Their appearance, as much as fans would want wasn't needed to further the Star Wars saga. What happened to those characters afterward could be told as new plots unfold and new WELL WRITTEN characters are introduced. As long as those beloved characters were treated with respect in that telling I believe the fans would have been satisfied.

It’s so sad that strong female characters have been so politicized. I have a three year old daughter who LOVES the original trilogy. She knows the names of all the characters and has a very basic understanding of the plot(who is good who is bad). I showed her The Force Awakens, and she was confused. She didn’t follow it or realize there was any connection to the original trilogy even thou I told her it was a Star Wars movie. My daughter is three years old and she recognizes good writing over bad.

@zuko9085

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't going to bother showing it to my 3 year old for a long long time, maybe ever.

@tach5884

4 жыл бұрын

You told her it was a Star Wars movie? You monster!

@A-Dubs398

4 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid, I thought the prequels were way better than the originals, cuz the prequels were so flashy.

@drekiskrek5008

4 жыл бұрын

This is the most r/thathappened thing I've read in a while

@ScottJoC

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Seems suspicious

I LOVE that you touched on how people may not be able to articulate why something is good or bad but knows it when they see it, almost like an instinct. They aren’t stupid or missing the important “theme” or whatever the excuse is. You don’t assume your audience is stupid and I appreciate and respect that so much! Thank you!

Wait, what? They ACTUALLY used the „f“ word on Star Trek?!?!? That’s just not right

@codyw1

3 жыл бұрын

They think it makes it "adult". This is the 12 year old mentality of today's creatives...

@JamesRDavenport

3 жыл бұрын

That's all Picard is, "Smart" strong women telling JL to eff off all the time, more or less. Which I honestly don't get. I mean, JL was a progressive. Surely they can't hate him just because he's a white him...right?

In short, people like characters when they ACTUALLY HAVE CHARACTER. Audiences gravitate towards characters that are multidimensional - the way real human beings are - and not simply a vehicle used by the filmmakers to propound an agenda or to give voice to some contemporary angst.

@eastlynburkholder3559

4 жыл бұрын

When the ryders (not writers) create a movie or tv show by grabbing cool looking scenes (often slavishly copied or using watered down versions of the scene they copied) and gobbing it together like a 3rd grader's collage mixed medium art project and do not put in a narrative thread, the characters are dragged about like the cardboard stand ups with plastic bases on a boring board game. (I like good board games.) So even before or without an SJW agenda, there is little room for characterization of the characters. The bottom line is that the viewers will emotionally bond with the characters and this bond makes them care what happens to the characters. If this is missing, viewers might complain about everything else, because they are not engaged with the characters. When they are emotionally engaged with the characters, they will overlook and ignore or look last bad sets an# costumes, and many other problems and flaws.

@antraxxslingshots

4 жыл бұрын

They might not have noticed that they were well written....but their brain did!

@eastlynburkholder3559

4 жыл бұрын

@TheGreaterGood80 Exactly, I say this in shorthand when I say female and black and gay is not inherently interesting, brown and bisexual and young and female is not inherently interesting, old and white amd male is not inherently interesting, pretend I gave more examples, until the writer makes them interesting. Don't skip the characterization of the characters which should be driving the action and the plot thread. They have a forced diversity checklist of characters that must be in the movie and they are stealing scenes from other movies, often copying them badly without a proper build up to the dramatic climax of a scene or slavishly copying every detail and thus the scene looks good but does not seem to be fitted into the movie like puffy sleeves on a bikini. There is often no narrative thread holding these scenes together. So the character was here in the former scene but now is here in this scene. A character us in this scene but why. People argue but the argument does not seem to affect what happens next. Watching a plotless wonder of a movie is a first frustrating and then is mind numbing and the experience is forgetful. What is missing is the viewer emotionally bonding to the characters and the viewer suspending disbelief and then becoming enthralled by the spectacle and for a time entering the make believe world of that story. We have movies that have bits that look good and some are beautifully shot but these movies do not tell a story. Until human brains change, what a movie or tv showmust do is to tell a story and a story works when we know why people do what they do and we believe it as in it feels like somebody sould think that it feel that way or do that thing at this moment meaning it feels emotionally true.

@ColoradoStreaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastlynburkholder3559 A good argument for this is the FBI detective in Boondock Saints played by William Dafoe. He was a gay in the movie but holy shit he was an insane character.

It's sorta funny that Tony Stark is sort of the anti-Rey Kennedy. (Yes she's a "skywalker," but whatever) Rey's meant to be everything the target audience is supposed to love, a preachy overpowered strong woman. Tony Stark on the other hand was meant to be everything the target audience would hate. A drunken egotistical arms dealer is the exact sort of thing audiences would use as a stock villain in those days. Funny how good writing can take something to new heights, innit?

@ninak.5283

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Stark's character had solid foundations and natural growth. I don't like him as a personality, but I understand him. Ray Sue on the other hand is as dazzling and fascinating as a piece of clear wrap squeezed into a ball under sparkling lights.

@diersteinjulien6773

4 жыл бұрын

Well, we see Stark suffer and struggle more in the first 10 minute of his movie than Rey in the whole trilogy. Stark is a flawed, human, relatable character. He was given his fortune, true, but he also struggles, accomplishes things, fails and try again. Rey is a Mary Sue. She can do anything just because, and is handed over everything.

@deathpyre42

4 жыл бұрын

@@diersteinjulien6773 That's what Stan Lee intended. His quote from an interview was: “I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist. I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him ... And he became very popular.”

@solquint2390

4 жыл бұрын

Drunk, egotistical, womanizing, arms dealer, and the heir to billions of dollars. Everyone loves him. Could it possibly be the struggle, failure, and eventual growth?

@lockjaw5161

4 жыл бұрын

Sol Quint yep!

The Luke I grew up with, the one whose spirit and good heart always kept him strong, the one whose kind hearted nature saw the good in the second most dangerous man in the Galaxy even when everyone else, even his own mentor gave up on him… That man would NEVER abandon his family or give up on his nephew, even after a brief moment of weakness.

Folks who don't get Superman puzzle me, there IS a great character in there. He's basically a "god" who has made the conscious choice to live in the confines of a humble ordinary man. That's a huge challenge, as Ben Franklin once said "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." How does one who wants to do good and live an ordinary life survive corruption when he has that much power? Can he resist temptation or is his fall inevitable? It's an interesting journey.

@danballe

2 жыл бұрын

"A character is only as good as his nemesis" And I would add the other way around works the same. You probably know about this contest but here it goes anyways. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ant3zqlmm9uWeLw.html

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443

2 жыл бұрын

By the way the idea that power corrupts is wrong beacuse the more powerfull someone is the less corruptable he is: an hypothecal king of the world would be by definition incorruptable because there is nothing you can really give him that he couldn't take himself, same goes for superman, partial power makes people corruptable (that's why every democratic polititian is corrupt as opposed to kings who generally weren't) and ben Franklin lied knowngly and that phrase is just democratic progagand and the opposit of truth because democracy sustains itself on deception, and it allways has historically

@JamesRDavenport

2 жыл бұрын

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Interesting thought process and in one sense of a theory you'd be right, except that you're missing a key part of corruption. Corruption isn't just what one can offer us in a bribe, but also can be having that which we aren't meant to have, that which is forbidden. You can be King of the world, but what if in having everything else you want one person out of all humans to love and obey you...but because you're a tyrant they hate you and refuse. You force your absolute will on them incarcerate their body, try to break their mind, assault them, but they never give in. One becomes gross in their immorality. One with that level of power will corrupt and ultimately want to be God. God power is forbidden. In our seeking for absolute power we find the original evil of Lucifer from the Bible, and ultimate corruption.

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRDavenport corruption is not that tho, also on your point, if you are god you are incorruptible

@InnerBeast325

2 жыл бұрын

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Tell that to the Greeks. Also, while it may not be corruption by the dictionary definition, language does evolve and people these days tend to use the word to mean "use of power in an immoral way". So James isn't wrong.

It is a sad time we live in when a guy with not even 500k subscribers has more wisdom than the entirety of hollywood and journalism united.

@JohnnyBo-v

3 жыл бұрын

he's an established author, so his number of subscribers really don't fucking matter. It shouldn't even be used to elevate or amplify his message or words, if he's right then he's right. I'm just being a semi pretentious dick at this point, but people like you are what's wrong with modern audiences of any form of media, even if your opinion and mine are the same and what I'd even consider to be the "correct" opinion here.

@illuminaticake4528

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyBo-v calm down, he's not trying to paint a bad image, he's just saying that the drinker is essentially a nobody to Hollywood.

@romandaniels2415

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Listening to the things this man has said, he could probably rewrite Star Wars 8-9 and have done a better job than Hollywood itself. Man, I miss the originals.

@DaDitka

3 жыл бұрын

There are some guys and gals around that don't even have 5,000 subscribers that I would take over all of Hollywood and journalism combined, any day of the week, and nine times on Sunday.

@samaforjindam4083

2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully, that number's nearing a million now.

I'm speechless, this cant be true Drinker! My mind is blown, and not from the alcohol!

@prot07ype87

4 жыл бұрын

*Search your feelings, you know it to be true.*

@marcuscato9083

4 жыл бұрын

Not in a million years would I have thought this to be true.

@thebrownbaldy

4 жыл бұрын

@John Adams HA HAAAA

@szepi79

4 жыл бұрын

@John Adams I didn't see this joke coming. Much like Lincoln didn't see the end of the play.

@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves

4 жыл бұрын

Bro I was actually about to type the same thing. This video was absolutely amazing.

Haven't seen Picard and I will never watch it "shut the **** up" , how does that type of useless dialogue make it into a star trek show of all things?

@esecallum

4 жыл бұрын

It was awful... A chore to watch

@joshmerchant8737

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair though, in the end (spoiler) she kinda eats those words when Picard is proven right, and gives him exactly what he asked for in the first place.

@AnyoneCanSee

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair Patrick Start is 80 but it is the future and they didn't have to portray him as old and weak. Especially weak of the mind. I found it kind of depressing. Star Trek used to be uplifting and all about equality and teamwork and the fact that they seem to want to destroy that shows it isn't equality they seek.

@JustAnArrogantAlien

3 жыл бұрын

Because modern Star Trek is written by children.

"Journey". That word says it all, and none of the new writers seem to understand it.

@MurasakiTsukimaru

3 жыл бұрын

Can't remember the source of the quote but it went something like, "There's nothing so profound as returning to an unchanged place, only to see how you yourself have changed." But some writers don't want their characters to change.

People like good characters it's amazing that we reached the point where we need to say this out loud

@bryanneideffer3969

4 жыл бұрын

It's sad what our society film industry books, tv shows comic books have turned into wokeness political correctness and identity feminism, the soy world narcissism......mental insanity at its finest!

@atab555

4 жыл бұрын

What’s more amazing is that after being said, it will be ignored.

@hayreddinbarbarossa661

4 жыл бұрын

Sadder still that it's taken a permanently drunk Scotsman to say it.

@wolfy8006

4 жыл бұрын

How did a billion dollar industry become like this

@beltempest4448

4 жыл бұрын

Well we have to remind people that the earth is round so... Yeah

The 72 people who “disliked” this are Scott Mendolson.

@stripey566

4 жыл бұрын

that's the wrong scott, kurt

@unclestone8406

4 жыл бұрын

"people" heh, heh Nice one, brother ;D

@Cyricist001

4 жыл бұрын

@Kurt Barryman -_- why the fuck must they all have germanic surnames, it makes things very confusing.

@oneone164

4 жыл бұрын

@Kurt Barryman thats another scott

@uzernam303

4 жыл бұрын

"People"?

I used to hold a similar view of Walter White as you put forth. After watching Breaking Bad a second time, though, I completely changed my analysis. Walter was always a terrible person. You see early on that his ego is out of control, and that he constantly blames others for his misfortunes. He never takes responsibility for his actions. He blames his former best friend and business partner for his lack of success, he blames his ex-fiancée for his unhappiness while disregarding her side of the story, he blames his wife for problems at home, etc. He was never a sympathetic character, merely a pathetic one. His metamorphosis into a ruthless crime boss was the natural conclusion of his personality, ego, and life choices. He has a moment of clarity at the end of the show, of course, and in that moment he comes close to actually taking responsibility for his actions, but he knows it’s too late, and that the words would be meaningless if he uttered them. The only heroic action he performs in the entire show is sacrificing himself for Jesse in the finale.

Mark himself knew Disney spat on him and tried to talk about it without being mean until Disney silenced him and that in itself made a ton of people ditch Disney.

Mendelson thinks the fans are the people who beat him up and took his lunch money as a kid. He thinks that his job is to get revenge on them. He thinks fans can only like "tough guys" because he thinks we go to the theaters to have our egos stroked. He doesn't get that what fans like are complex characters driven by well written internal conflict that the audience can understand and relate to because they're universal.

@nicomeier8098

4 жыл бұрын

I think you are spot on. Mendelson appears to have had a troublesome youth and trying to take revenge at a later age. Pathetic, really.

@frankgunner8967

4 жыл бұрын

@Strange Boy Well said !

@directrulefromgamerchair3947

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know what kind of school he went to then. Where I'm from, being a star wars nerd was the single best way to find yourself at the bottom of the social ladder lol Then again it's not like mendelson has a grasp of reality so whatever I guess

@Xehanort10

4 жыл бұрын

@Strange Boy I want to know when "straight white male" became an insult. Because how dare people be attracted to the opposite gender, be white and have a dick "sarcasm."

@sahilhossian2449

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xehanort10 maybe it's because a few boomers lost grasp of reality at a young age

Nobody cared about Juan Solo, Discount Lando, or Mary Rey Sue.

@jasongrahm6068

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha 💯👊💣

@choueriito2548

4 жыл бұрын

Never heard someone call Poe Juan Solo, but that nickname fits amazingly well. Kudos to you.

@AManCalledDutch

4 жыл бұрын

Epic nicknames Edwin, well done 😂👌🏻

@elvibora6218

4 жыл бұрын

best comment

@GhostLink92

4 жыл бұрын

@@choueriito2548 I thought he meant Han and Landon from Solo.

As a big Luke Skywalker fan, thank you for this! Kathleen Kennedy can talk about the Force being female now all she wants, but I'm a woman, and Luke's always been my favorite, and the one I relate to. One thing I'd like to add- a lot of us have suffering in life, and that's one thing we can relate with in him, such as when he lost his hand and the way it happened. I can think of some other characters (the kind that writers are always trying to push on the audience) who would also have gone rushing off before they were ready; but instead of *them* getting hurt, it would have happened to another character.

@hawkthetraveler6344

Жыл бұрын

nice subtle observation (oh no I killed chewie!)

@RicardoGantusa

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkthetraveler6344 My respect for the sequels would have gone up immensely if he had stayed dead

This is a great analysis of the problems in society in entertainment and Hollywood, no one cares about gender, race, religion or anything in the world. Having a character grow, change and become better as an individual is something we all want to be in ourselves. We should see more of this in movies, regardless of agendas and political ideals.

@mavengriff

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree....

My wife and her cousin (stuck here with us due to quarantine) decided to watch the entire Star Wars series (the nine movies from the main story line) the other day. They watched them in chronological order. With no expectations, nostalgia or memory of the original trilogy in the way, they enjoyed the prequels. The original trilogy took them a bit of getting used to the dated special effects, but ultimately they loved the story line. At the end of Return of the Jedi my wife asked me why they made the sequels. Didn’t the story conclude perfectly and where were they going to go from here? They then started watching The Force Awakens and after half an hour turned it off. They found it complete shite and were wondering who all these fake characters were. It confirmed my choice to never watch any of these three sequels. Particularly as it seems the last two are even way worse than The Force Awakens

@curtishammer748

4 жыл бұрын

Can't speak to the quality of IX as I never saw it, but whereas VII just made me disappointed, VIII actually made me angry. Everything was so shameless, the pandering to the chinese market, the ham-fisted and preachy social justice messaging, the clear lack of overall vision for the series, and most unforgivably in my opinion the assassination of the character of Luke Skywalker. Any Star Wars made by Disney is non-canonical as far as I'm concerned.

@JCDenton3

4 жыл бұрын

Haha yep, I did the same, my girlfriend never saw a single Star Wars so we got the 1 week free trial for Disney Plus (and immediately cancelled when we finished so we didn't feed the mouse a single dollar). We did the originals first, then prequels and sequels. It was fun watching her interest grow, 4 was just ok to her, but by the time of 6 she loved the ending and the theme of family and redemption across the story. We did the prequels and she liked the world building of them, the story of Anakin in the full arc, and the larger themes (hated Jar Jar though haha). When we got to the sequels she was clearly a lot less interested, getting up multiple times for drinks or the restroom or to check emails, etc. She shouted out loud at some point in 7 "this is the same movie, what's the point?" and we got to 8 and 9 and she was actually mad at how it just undoes the RotJ's perfect finale and was super pissed at "Rey Skywalker" lol. I guess she and your wife and cousin are all misogynists for not liking them right? LOL

@lukebeignet

4 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree with everyone else here. Compared to the OT (and even the prequels which I have always enjoyed as well), the prequels don't come close to the complexity and intrigue of their predecessors. When I saw episode 7, I was like ok this is kind of bad they just copied the plot of A New Hope with new characters, but it wasn't totally horrible. Episode 8 got worse, particularly in how they handled Luke's character, and it generally was poorly done and there's no character development or progression throughout the different movies. However, aside from ruining the character development and conclusion of the original trilogy and prequels (especially in how they ruined Luke's development and Anakin's redemption), episode 9 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen all time. Even regardless of how it ruins canon and the previous films (like bringing back Palpatine because they had no other ideas or vision for the trilogy), it still stands alone as a shite movie. There were so many plot holes, nothing is earned or makes sense, and it's one of the most surface-level boring films ever. It definitely pissed me off and left me incredibly unsatisfied. After all these years of watching Star Wars my expectations weren't that high to wrap it up, but I thought at least I'd feel some sense of conclusion or completeness. ROTJ is a perfect ending and I think I'll just not watch the sequels again.

@danmanx2

4 жыл бұрын

I tell my wife everyday she is lucky she couldn't make it to the movies to see The Rise of Skywalker. She's never seen it to this day and probably never will.

@nafnaf0

4 жыл бұрын

If you have Disney+ you should watch Clone Wars! The last 4 episodes of season 7 were amazing and go right in Episode III. If you liked the prequals, I think you will love, as long as you are okay with an animated series...

Decent writers,Good script with relatable characters and a cohesive plan , Disney: nah it'll be fine, lets wing it!

@mikexhotmail

4 жыл бұрын

cohesive plan is the key. That why many of us enjoy watching chess even though the knight or queen don't show any expression. ^_^

@Cyricist001

4 жыл бұрын

they don't even have to be relatable, just consistent.

10:03 I always thought Rey looked stupid when she used the Force. She has her ‘trying as hard as she can’ face on, which takes away the entire essence of what the Force is. Do, or do not. There is no try. The only time someone’s hand has ever been outstretched like that when using the Force is when they shove someone, and even then it’s only for a moment.

When you break it down like this, it amazes me how the current crop of “writers” for these woke movies ever got near a position of responsibility. They don’t seem to grasp the most basic fundamentals of story telling.

@mrcliff3709

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wouldn't trust them to make my coffee

@arcadeinvader8086

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrcliff3709 "What's wrong with black coffee? you some kinda racist?"

@ColoradoStreaming

3 жыл бұрын

Hollywood is nothing more than propaganda pushing an agenda nowadays, those writers are doing exactly their job.

@dradamov

2 жыл бұрын

I believe there is a historically used term of "useful idiots" which serves here as a bit of explanation as to why it is happening. If you want to shove your agenda down the public's throat, you use an effigy, a trained monkey with megaphone that will do exactly what you want. You don't need competence, but obedience.

@sahilhossian2449

2 жыл бұрын

@@dradamov bruh that's one of many reasons why both extremes of politics are dangerous

The 1 dislike is from a person who actively roleplays as a deer

@dugclrk

4 жыл бұрын

41 dislikes with over 7k likes. These deer only have one agenda, and if you look at the big picture it's to bring down western civilization. Unfortunately they are very loud and Hollywood agrees with them.

@cabrondemente1

4 жыл бұрын

_Every breath I take without your permission raises my self steem._ - Rick Sanchez

@raiden1766

4 жыл бұрын

Must’ve sent her simp squad after us Drinker Militia cause that number grew

@ThrottleKitty

4 жыл бұрын

@@dugclrk "Bring down civilization" ..... ? ..... Congratulations, you are officially crazier than the crazy deer people

@martinstein9553

4 жыл бұрын

@@dugclrk Toxic ruminancy?

Luke character finished with me in 83' coming out of the dominion theatre London . I'll always have that, a audience standing up cheering for the boy who became a jedi knight. Destroying a empire

@James35142

3 жыл бұрын

One thing, Luke never took down the empire. It was both him and the friends he fought and sacrificed for.

@Matthewtopia

3 жыл бұрын

*an

@justineharper3346

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I could have experienced that. I was born in 86, so I’ve never got to see them in theatre

@genesis1765

3 жыл бұрын

@@justineharper3346 return of the Jedi ran for the whole summer in 83' it used to cost a pound and fifty to see it. i went once on my own a afternoon the whole cinema was mine sat right in the middle. and in those old cinemas the screens were very wide so the speeder chase through the Endor forest was amazing

@davebruneau6068

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit! Ive forgotten about movie-theatre audiences applauding the ending . Havent been but once in decades,& watching the Drinkers reviews reminds me why

Luke never gave up on darth Vader to turn him back to the light side but he gives up on his nephew the moment he finds the slightest bit of darkness in him... (thanks Disney)

And yet they keep disrespecting Luke over and over again. Almost like they want the "new fans" to hate him.

One thing is for sure: Lucasfilm under Disney does NOT understand characters (either why the old ones were successful, or how to build new ones). I can't think of a single character in the SW sequels that had an interesting and coherent arc. Lots of potential in Ep 7 that all went down the toilet in Ep 8, and the disaster was forever sealed with Ep 9.. I couldn't agree more with the summary made of Luke Skywalker here. He was an effective, well-written, and relatable archetype simply completing the hero's journey. Well done, Drinker!

@jamespell1138

4 жыл бұрын

Was about to say finn but yeah that’s wasted potential, Kylo isn’t bad tho

@thechrischong

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamespell1138 Finn's arc was over in the first 10 minutes of his screen time

@elonmusket5676

4 жыл бұрын

Finn got completely fisted

@SideshowBob44

4 жыл бұрын

Rey's Arc was finding out she's the best Fighter, Jedi, Pilot, and Sailor ever and life is easy.

@thisisfyne

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamespell1138 Yeah Kylo was honestly the closest one to be a real decent character, but there are too many inconsistencies with his choices/actions that by the end I couldn't really grasp why he ended up where he did. He was doubtful in Ep 7, took control of his evil destiny in Ep 8, and the script did a complete 180 in Ep 9 not because he realized he had been duped all along by Palpatine (uuugh), not because someone made him understand that the whole thing with Luke was a misunderstanding (uuuuuuuuggh), but because.. Rey healed him and Leia died and he had a memory of Han (???). Seriously, I'm not even joking here, why did he decide to team up with Rey and turn on the First Order despite promises of absolute power (which was always his goal)?

Is anyone else sick to death of returning characters always being "deadbeat dads"? Do they not know how tired a cliche that is

@jonathanleonard891

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, if there weren't "DeadBeat Dads", there be no Dads at all......apparently

@haillobster7154

4 жыл бұрын

There are only two types of dads- dead beat ones, or cartoonishly evil drunken pedo pervs. Right?

@beardedbjorn5520

4 жыл бұрын

I’m reading the Black Fleet Trilogy at the moment. And in there Han is a stay at home Dad having the time of his life watching his kids grow up, while Leia is miserable in her political career. Now compare that with TFA.

@arrownoir

4 жыл бұрын

Because only dead beat dads ever leave.

@imapseudonym6198

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, it DID make sense with Vergil. What with his issues, and how he didn't even know he HAD a kid - the game makes it pretty clear he's stunned when he finds out that ages-old one night stand actually resulted in something. Chopping off your son's arm is probably never gonna qualify you for father of the year, though. Buuut, I'm guessing DMC5 was probably not one of the recent forms of media on your mind. :)

This video should be mandatory to watch for everyone working in Hollywood.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

Literally. Yes. ...Why the fluff does your comment only has 8 Likes?!

@sahilhossian2449

2 жыл бұрын

It needs more

Thank you for this, mate. This video should be sent to everyone at Disney and watched by any aspiring filmmaker who cares to connect with an audience.

A character that’s flawed and connects to the viewer in a humane way will always be more compelling than “perfection”

@fattiger6957

4 жыл бұрын

And the characters the hacks refer to as 'too perfect' actually are relatable. A well-written Superman story portrays him as human with the powers of a god. He has doubts and fears. There are people he loves and despises. Sometimes he has trouble figuring out what the right thing to do is in a complicated world.

@Snakedude4life

4 жыл бұрын

Nobody likes Mary Sues. Except hacks.

@darthtroller

4 жыл бұрын

There are the perfect Mary Sues, and the painfully flawed ones, Hollywood can't think in a 3 dimensional way

@thomascollins4325

4 жыл бұрын

@Cactus Darth Forehead. Magnificent!!

Since when did bad writing become an olympic-level skill desired by movie and game companies?

@SkyNinja759

4 жыл бұрын

When they realised that people have good will for a beloved series and will buy the next installment to get their fix. Good will only last so long, and people are starting to realise that it's a cash grab. They love beating dead horses if it means they get a couple more pennies out of it.

@thepsychicspoon5984

4 жыл бұрын

When the only people that get hired are through nepotism. Look at all this new gen of celebrities. They are mostly the offspring of the previous generation of celebrities.

@iamacatperson7226

3 жыл бұрын

SkyNinja759 things 2: you’ve descibed EA in a nutshell Example: FIFA, do I need to say more? If so, it’s the same game, every single time, with maybe some differences here and there, and in classic ea fashion HEAPS upon HEAPS of microtransactions

@alexgremlin3680

3 жыл бұрын

Since Michael Bay and M Night Shyamalan perfected it

@rovospire

3 жыл бұрын

Being political correct has become the new post-tard Olympics.

Adam Driver must have massive back pains for carrying the last 3 films

@MurasakiTsukimaru

3 жыл бұрын

Not as bad as Pedro Pascal. Poor man has to carry an entire franchise at this point

@thepillowhead2453

3 жыл бұрын

@@MurasakiTsukimaru Not just Pedro man. Jon, Dave, everyone who worked on the show.

@jagamin5003

3 жыл бұрын

Adam driver is awesome

@GreatUSTreasureHunt

3 жыл бұрын

Carry? Drag like a corpse away from a train wreck, only to progress fifteen feet until a second train comes by and strikes the first train.

@darthphantomius411

3 жыл бұрын

As long as Filoni breathes there is hope

I would add that these characters we love are either realistic people we sympathize with or archetypes of humanity (for better and worse) we learn from. Either way, it gives us something and someone to care about. Characters that are just there to fulfill a plot purpose or deliver a message don't do that, so we don't care.

Best entrance to a pub: “The Drinkerz ‘ere with a hose pipe in hand!”

Drinker, why did you have to introduce me to “deergasms”

@willmungas8964

4 жыл бұрын

Let’s be honest this needs more likes

@shr1mpsush1

4 жыл бұрын

@Cactus and voice chat

@tuna5305

4 жыл бұрын

​@The Other Point Of View It's not all bad. The concept was a good one and there were some okay and good streamers there. Just that a shit SJW schizophrenic deer and a bunch of "professionals" came in and ruined it.

@RuddsReels

4 жыл бұрын

+Stryker Yeah! WTF was that?

@theoverthinker1978

3 жыл бұрын

Scarred for life.

I watched the Picard thing and I kept expecting the "I've fallen and I can't get up scene".

The greatest bit in Capt. America was the hand grenade scene where everyone is running for cover and Steve is on the grenade. His heart was big enough, even if his body didn’t know it.

@indiajohnson

8 ай бұрын

Damn right 👍🏾. There's people that say characters like him are boring because they're decent and not roguish bad boys, assholes but I like a character who isn't an asshole to everyone they encounter.

@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869

8 ай бұрын

@@indiajohnson What makes captain America great is it's the ultimate underdog story

Sorry, Drinker, but that sounds too much like the F word. "eFFort." -signed Hollywood

@Bakrain

4 жыл бұрын

"eFFort." I heard that in the Drinkers voice in my head.

@ameybirulkar7503

3 жыл бұрын

Why use the word Hollywood like it's a studio? It's the name of the industry. The same industry which gave us John Wick, Hans Landa, Django and so many more well written characters. Don't generalize the whole industry. They even made Tony Stark a hero who was never A grade character in comics.

@simplegarak

3 жыл бұрын

@@ameybirulkar7503 way to overthink a joke about group think. I bet you don't get memes either, do you?

@ameybirulkar7503

3 жыл бұрын

@@simplegarak I'm used to better comedy than memes.

@simplegarak

3 жыл бұрын

@@ameybirulkar7503 "Ma'am, this is a youtube comment section." (get what you pay for)

“Audiences aren’t as dumb as Hollywood thinks they are”. I think you hit the nail on the head there....that and they need to stop thinking all they need to do is check off boxes spat out by a logarithm. Lazy uninspired writing.

@mikesteelheart

3 жыл бұрын

The lowest common denominator used to be higher...

@carolusastabrataasta5481

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think the saddest thing in how western entertainment industries operates nowadays is that they think everything is a construct that can be manipulated, from their products to their audience's taste. Frankly it doesn't work that way. Works that born from brilliant and well crafted thinking will find it's way to their audience's heart. It's not simply a construct. You cannot simply defy this by flipping this so called construct of whatever just to subvert expectations, the quality of the contents must came first. That's precisely why people can sympathize with Walter White, Jaimie Lannister, GTA protagonist, and some other morally questionable character out there. When creators crafted believable writing, people will bond to it. You cannot force your audience to like someone just because they defy expectations, that's just poor excuse.

Thanks to this video, I have finally been able to make a good arc that I can work the story with for my character that I've been working on for the past 6-8 months, genuinely. The way you explained these character's arcs in such a brief summary and showed the Hero's Journey chart gave me a clear vision of how I wanted MY own character to develop. you are truly a bold and inspiring drunk.

Damn thise was so perfectly articulated. I have hated the recent Star Wards movies. They suck and now I have heard it laid out so well.

@thekodex1186

3 жыл бұрын

We should of stuck with Legends. Been telling myself that since the force awakens was released.

Seeing young Luke while listening to Drinker's commentary made me remember what SW used to be. It made me want to weep anew at how one of my favorite stories/franchises has been destroyed. "I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Yep. Tearing up for real. We loved Luke because we went on the journey with him. He overcame his failures and he earned his successes. And through him, so did we.

@ssharp755

4 жыл бұрын

To someone with your supercillious attitude I'm sure he did.

@SomeDumUsrName

4 жыл бұрын

For sure. The Star Wars brand has gone WAY down the road of cheap, shallow, knockoffs. More concerned with CG and pushing stupid agendas than great character development and story telling. What they did with Luke makes me sick to my stomach and I refuse to support it. Haven't supported this franchise in a LONG TIME. Just seems cheesy now. NOTHING in comparison to the original 3. Not by a long shot.

"Their actions and decisions are consistent with their personalities" - you missed an important prerequisite there (I blame the whiskey) - they *have* personalities!

@taunokekkonen5733

4 жыл бұрын

Never blame whiskey!

@locarno24

4 жыл бұрын

@@taunokekkonen5733 depends on the whiskey... I have a bottle of a budget brand of Taiwanese whiskey bought as a joke, made by a subsidiary of one of the islands car companies. Trust me, that stuff is every bit as bad as you're imagining and it deserves every bit of blame it gets!

@antibull4869

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. According to Hollywood its because they are white.

"Basement dwelling man babies." "Blue haired Space Karens." "Diverse Female Space Jesus." These 1 liners not only crack me up, but they're foook'n TRUE!!!

0:18 the face of the guy watching you shower from the apartment across the pool - lol

Luke (just like Frodo) is also the "fish out of water" the audience is meant to relate to as the characters will be explained and learn how the world and setting works.

It appears that Hollywood seems to think the only way to write a strong female character is to tear down the characters around them. It would be more effective to build these characters up in a believable manner, rather than say everyone else is garbage this person is great. It's pretty disrespectful to the character and the audience.

We are getting a better education in story telling here than most Hollywood professionals can show us these days.

This is my favorite explanation of what went wrong with Luke Skywalker in the last jedi, there was no respect to him as a honorable hero. Can't forgive Disney for doing to that to such a legend.

Can we all just agree that TLJ Luke is actually just "Jake Skywalker" as Mark Hamill put it?

@Frank-Discussion

4 жыл бұрын

that's exactly who he is in that movie.

@Roper122

4 жыл бұрын

We all agree

@KamilDevonish

4 жыл бұрын

So are we prepared to finally admit the unthinkable: that given the fact that Mark Hamill understands his character better than the directors and writers, that he would have made a better Star Wars movie than Rian and JJ? 😅

@mewnani

4 жыл бұрын

@@KamilDevonish To be fair I'm pretty sure a 5th grader could've made a better Star Wars movie with the right team backing them up.

@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y

4 жыл бұрын

@@mewnani they could have picked the most popular SW books about the events after Episode VI, and turned them into a movie script.

Well-written characters will change, adapt, and grow to accommodate new situations, i.e. Hero's Journey. Badly written characters will not change, forcing the situation to accommodate them, i.e. Mary Sue.

@learn2draw716

3 жыл бұрын

That doesn't sound like a Mary Sue. A flat character yeah, but even flat characters can be interesting.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

@@sugartoothYT Even for this channel, this Video here was surpsiingly Good. People! Actively share it! Dont just hope more people will see it, but make it happen!!

@michapiasta3072

Жыл бұрын

@@learn2draw716 mary sues most defining feature, is fact that oftenplot bends in illogical ways to help character. Like the dagger thing in last jedi, the sheer amount of luck and coincidences is absurd.

Bro when you said RESPECT, that hit the nail on the head. The other characters worked because the writers had a basic respect for these characters and who they are at their core. This lack of understanding is what plagued the writing of films during the mid-to-late 2010s

It's stunning how no one mentions the wasted potential of Finn as a character. He could have easily been one of the best SW characters if the writers knew how to write.

@caleblim6890

3 жыл бұрын

Swain Bjornstrandt and imagine if Kylo Ren got a proper arc. Disney lucked out casting Adam Driver and he had to carry the trilogy

@Numenorean1

3 жыл бұрын

He was just as much shite as the rest of them.

@zackwalton4371

3 жыл бұрын

Especially since the actor came out and said that Disney used him as a token black character and how he felt betrayed for it.

@MurasakiTsukimaru

3 жыл бұрын

Can fix his character easily by having Finn die at the end of TLJ like he attempted. Goes from fleeing the war and certain death to dying for the cause, sacrificing himself so others would live.

@boogit9979

3 жыл бұрын

He was black. To them, that was all his role was. The black guy

The only scene that showed a glimmer of the Luke we remembered - mourning Han's death was deleted from L. Jedi but instead we got important scenes like green milk!

Shocking people like good and interesting characters, charisma vaccums and heros acting more like villains who are amazing at everything are boring, bland planks of wood.

@OneTrueVikingbard

4 жыл бұрын

explain, then please, why everyone seems to love Game of Thrones. most of its characters were charisma vacuums/heroes acting like villains/downright despicable assholes, and yet it was (until season 8, that is) considered to be "superior to Lord of the Rings" which, in contrast, had clearly moral characters

@adambond8542

4 жыл бұрын

@@OneTrueVikingbard right place right time I assume.

@tastycookiechip

4 жыл бұрын

@@OneTrueVikingbard Unfortunately in the real world being a good guy gets you killed. Game of thrones embraces that.

@bronco5334

4 жыл бұрын

@@OneTrueVikingbard The only "charisma vacuum" in Game of Thrones were perhaps Cersei and Arya. Most of the characters were very lively. But, yes, many were assholes. Why did having so many villainous characters work for Game of Thrones? Because the audience wasn't beaten over the head with insistence that the assholes were good people. Most of the assholes were clearly intended to be despicable from the start, and the writers allowed the audience to hate the despicable characters and root for the good ones (like Rob Stark and Jon Snow). Really, the only character that was presented (at first) as being a "good person" that was in fact a villain, was Danerys. And the whole point of her character was to show how her initial good intentions were warped into despotism by her ego. It was pretty plain to see that she was turning into a villain by the third or fourth season. The fact that some radical feminists out there failed to recognize Danerys' underlying villainy only serves to prove that section of the audience are denser than tungsten and happy to enact despotism as long as it's their despots in charge; it does not mean the character was poorly written.

@j_shelby_damnwird

4 жыл бұрын

marsjacobvolta This statement is correct

Scott Mendehlson should love the Fandom Menace, they made him a celebrity.

For one of the very rare good recent characterizations, I would say that Ryan Gosling and HArrison Fords arcs in Blade Runner 2049 were good.

When I saw what they have done to Picard ie made him into little more than a weak old man, my first instinct was not to bother with the series and just remember him as he was. I'm glad I made that decision

@IloveElsaofArendelle

4 жыл бұрын

So infuriating as someone who was raised up with TNG! I rage quit Picard in Episode 5, when the senseless killing of Icheb happened. It's sad to see, that TNG's Encounter at Farpoint Picard had more integrity that this parallel universe Picard

@guyhall9973

3 жыл бұрын

Yea when I first heard about Picard I was like great then I heard the drinkers review I was like never mind

@indy_go_blue6048

3 жыл бұрын

@ludlow 889 One does have the option of reading the ST:TNG (and ST and...) novels to keep in touch with the REAL Capt. Picard (and Kirk and...) They're 100% better and many of them would've made excellent movies.

@DaDitka

3 жыл бұрын

It reminds me of one of my all-time favorite movie lines. When Jor-El was talking to Zod in Man of Steel, he said to him, "I will honor the man you once were, Zod, not the monster you have become." It stinks to see these great characters slide into these dark places. But at least I can go into the past and remember and honor them as they once were.

@ieat10kittens94

3 жыл бұрын

jly,

and for the price of character assassination, the sequel trilogy shall suffer a fate worse than death: being forgotten.

@zahillethe7th846

4 жыл бұрын

No no, that's how it should be. Let Legends be canon again. It's infinitely better than the new canon, anyway.

@ericshawn3169

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that it hasn’t attracted kids is the biggest failure of them all. I would never believe you if you told me that Star Wars toys didn’t sell and kids weren’t obsessed with Star Wars just 5 years ago. It’s crazy. Say what you want about the prequels but they attracted a whole new generation of fans and a boatload of awesome merch

@eastlynburkholder3559

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericshawn3169 And do not write down to kids. Instead write stuff that is over their head with stuff they can understand.

The reason why I keep returning to this channel is because the critiques are so much more honest and on the spot than anything you find on 'normal' media outlets.

You officially my favorite channel, keeping them coming

Drinker, you restore my faith in humanity. I wish I could shake your hand.

@Yesica1993

4 жыл бұрын

THAT'S NOT SOCIAL DISTANCING! YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE! /sarc

@carybeweary7209

4 жыл бұрын

Buy him a drink instead

It's called 'soul'. You can only empathize with a character that shows true human attributes. The paper thin characters in the sequel trilogy lack depth. At every stage Rey has been shown to be just a snotty nosed, overpowered brat. She don't need no man and they Reylo thing was utterly contrived and only appealed to vacuous Twitterheads who would not know a good story if it slammed them in their smartphone account.

@Hyperversum3

4 жыл бұрын

It's not that she didn't need a man by her side, she didn't need ANYONE. That's the most basic definition of a Mary Sue.

@Runenschuppe

4 жыл бұрын

Rey is so horrible written, that I don't even care about her. Sometimes we love to hate characters with a passion - and at least they evoke an emotion in us. Rey is just incongruent and completely 'meh' that the only emotion she invokes in me is a slight annoyance that I can't see something interesting.

@leandersearle5094

4 жыл бұрын

@@Runenschuppe "Here comes the plot contrivance incarnated."

A complex, well written character who goes on an interesting story and stays true to themselves while being respected by the writers. I think you hit the nail on the head as to why Ahsoka is so beloved and Rey is not.

One of the things that I did when I wrote my feature was, halfway through, I wrote character summaries that went for 1 page each. I had 2 protagonists and 2 antagonists and for each I answered a bunch of questions (hair colour, religion, favourite snack, deepest fear etc) and that really helped flesh out the characters and make them have, you know, a personality. I’d love to see the character summary for Rey, or She-Hulk, or Galadriel, or Captain Marvel. Could probably fit all four on a postcard

“Do these things, and the character stands a good chance of being well received. Do it not, and the Drinker will be paying you a little visit.” Question: If they do these things, won’t you be paying them a visit anyway in the form of the Drinker Recommends?

@jameson1239

4 жыл бұрын

Sshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@unidentifiedguy8253

2 жыл бұрын

Naw. This has nothing to do with his reviews. He literally goes down their chimney and leaves a lump of shit in their laundry basket...the kind of shit a Scotsman takes when he's downed 3 bottles of whiskey and a shot of Toilet Duck.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Yes he does.

I can't imagine I'll ever forgive how they massacred my boy Luke

@exhaustguy

4 жыл бұрын

"I want you to use all your powers, and all the skills. I don't want his mother to see him this way."

@danmanx2

4 жыл бұрын

I know. Just remember the original trilogy. When you get angry, play back in your head the good moments. Release the hate. Don't focus on the negative.

@blindedjourneyman

4 жыл бұрын

@@danmanx2 aye negative in excess blinds us and in the end, destroys us. As it has done to these very people "dominating" (suiciding) the film industry and comics.

@FlyingFocs

4 жыл бұрын

Funny thing, I don't like what they did to Luke, but I can't bring myself to hate it. Mostly because, if I'm to be honest... I saw it coming. I just thought "what is the easiest thing they would do with that character" and making him jaded and cynical just seemed most likely. And honestly, I'm pretty sure it's because that's a trend Hollywood does now. It is funny, in trying to be bold, they just changed a character from one archetype that no one does anymore to another, less interesting and more common archetype that SEVERAL people are doing. So much for bold new take.

@brandonmuse5532

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I'm so glad people like you are here to voice everything that has gone missing from fantastic story telling. I feel like eventually this awful trend will die down when studios realise why their new movies are failing, and true success requires time, effort, and respectful to the audience and it's story

Thank you for this. You articulate so much better than I could the problem with their treatment of Luke in TLJ. I was in mourning after I saw that movie, I literally wept at the death of my childhood hero. Not just because he was gone, but because of the WAY he died. It was such a disappointment. Thank you for your insight.

One of my favorite scenes with Luke was when his assumptions of how a jedi master should look and act were shattered by the appearance of Yoda. After realizing how wrong he was he humbled himself and begged Yoda to reconsider his decision. I really admired Luke then and my respect for the character doubled. Of course his refusal to kill his father despite what he had become earned my respect and admiration as well I wondered what I would've done. If I were truly honest I'd have to say I would've killed Vader regardless.

Star Wars ended at Episode VI.

@jonathanleonard891

4 жыл бұрын

Been sayin' that since...well, Episode VI

@animeangel1983

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it did. I mean I gave The Force Awakens a chance, I wanted to see what Luke got up to after he took down the Empire in 6 but then...why? What could have happened to him in the 40 years since to make him just give up like that? Got now explanations, no reasons, no nothing and I would have liked to know but then they force Rey down your throat. I know people change as they get older and sometimes lose their way but for me I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO LUKE and how he got to be that lost, not be force fed whamen Mary Sue Rey. I was born in 1983 and never got to see the Star Wars Trilogy in a theater until they released the 20th anniversary movies in 1997, it kinda felt weird. I had seen them before then, I was young but I remember wondering what happened to the other version of Darth Vader when they digitally replaced him with Christensen in the theater.

@ozzymandius666

4 жыл бұрын

...and even that was ruined by Ewoks.

@exhaustguy

4 жыл бұрын

@@ozzymandius666 Star Wars original sin. It was never the same after that.

@carybeweary7209

4 жыл бұрын

Facts

I have gradually become overwhelmed with awe at the wisdom and logical thinking you display in this movie critic assays Drinker. High praise coming from me who at age 17yr covenanted to never drink any alcoholic drink again (and kept eversince)!

What makes all of these character assassinations worse is the fact that Hollywood knows how to write good characters, they just choose not to because they hate most of the world. Luke's assassination was intentional because Hollywood is fueled by hatred of goodness.

@DaDitka

2 жыл бұрын

We need good stories and good heroes in order to inspire hope within us. Hope that there is still good in the world and it's worth fighting for (Samwise Gamgee). Or hope that no matter how bad this is get, help is on the way. Hollywood, it seems, wants to destroy hope. In order to do this, it needs to wreck good characters and heroes like Skywalker, and replace them with "heroes" that are unrelatable, who barely struggled to get where they are, and whose friends always get in the way of their success, rather than their friends helping them along the way (Rey). Destroy hope, and destroy people.

@sahilhossian2449

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaDitka that's despair's whole purpose

But even Jack Sparrow as a scoundrel had Will Turner as the "boy-scout" character to balance the film out and drive character development. Part of the fun of watching is seeing these characters face different ordeals and get tested. Even anime like Naruto or Luffy uses this concept.

@christianbjorck816

4 жыл бұрын

Douglas D Yup. When they made Jack the main central character (2nd movie and Beyond) it didn’t work.

@themanwithnonamecalledwyat7575

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't work in "Dead men tell no tales"

@Snoop_Dugg

3 жыл бұрын

@@themanwithnonamecalledwyat7575 Well you also need chemistry 😂

The wholesome hero is a foil to the dashing rogue, who would have thought.

"Do it not, and the Drinker will pay you a visit..." Sounds like a chilling children's fable. A children's fable for writers.

I liken this to "Jeremiah Johnson," where his conflicts, strengths, weaknesses, and transformations make perfect sense and are given time and space to be developed. The whole Heroic Quest finely portrayed even with elements of Circe and, in the end, not a Joseph Conrad disaster, but a triumph.

HBO: Take note: TCD just explained indirectly why EVERYONE hated the way Game of Thrones ended.

@EntrEsprit

4 жыл бұрын

d&d should take note

@MichaelPohoreski

4 жыл бұрын

Вадим Горобец I don't think Dumb and Dumber understand the importance of consistency and character development.

@prismaticbeetle3194

4 жыл бұрын

@@EntrEsprit no Mr. powers they should DIE

"'The Last Jedi' is 'The Dark Knight' of the 'Star Wars' saga" So The Dark Knight sucked so hard it ruined the Batman franchise? And here I thought it was a great movie...

@IncredibleFulk1

4 жыл бұрын

That statement he may has got to be one of the most arrogant two-faced statement I’ve ever heard. Last Jedi doesn’t come anywhere near the iconic level of TDK.

@callahanhanson5890

4 жыл бұрын

Incredible Jake two face see what you did there

@IncredibleFulk1

4 жыл бұрын

Jack NicholTorrance Lol!! Honestly, I didn’t think of it until after I wrote it. It rang right.

@tuna5305

4 жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleFulk1 That moment when you unlock the other 90% of your brain for a second but it's wasted on a KZread comment

@matthewalston7234

4 жыл бұрын

And I thought my jokes were bad...

Luke looked like any other Southern California beach volleyball player. His teenage vulnerability made it easy to cheer for him when he won, his victory was your victory and everyone else was so grown up and daunting, Han Solo sneering demeanor, Ben Kenobi's sheer intensity, even Princess Leia's mouth talked smack.