The way I see it, C418 wants to continue owning his own music while Microsoft wants to own the rights of vanilla Minecraft's content. Owning his music means Microsoft can use it in other forms of the ip like in spinoff games.

@Wbfuhn

Жыл бұрын

It's a big considerable possibility.

@rudrasingh6354

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is why they couldn't use classic music in Smash Bros and i think they got some from Dungeons instead

@masahirosakurai64

Жыл бұрын

@@rudrasingh6354 Yep. Dungeons and the console edition minigames

@toycat

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty reasonable from both sides, they both want something seen as "normal" from their own perspectives

@jameswesten2018

Жыл бұрын

​@@toycat dang c418 looks kinda like he could be your brother 😺

When the terraria music played, I realized that terraria and Minecraft go at very different paces. Minecraft more slow and calm, but in terraria you can always see constant movement no matter where you go. The reason that the town day song would never work in Minecraft is purely because of the pace difference of the games.

@dascreeb5205

Жыл бұрын

Also terraria has environmental music which changes a lot, I really hate mojangs pointless, almost defiant incompetence.

@pixleplays305

Жыл бұрын

@@dascreeb5205 im not trying to argue, but there are reasons why minecraft doesnt have music constantly playing, some games like skyrim and terraria have constant music, but minecraft wouldnt feel the same at all if it had that too. plus, it adds a sense of joy when you DO get to listen to the beautifull melodies that the game has to offer, its a style choice, and i personally like that choice! and dont get me wrong, i LOVE terrarias music and skyrims dynamicly changing soundtrack, but they wouldnt fit as well in minecrfat for me. end of rant.

@dascreeb5205

Жыл бұрын

@@pixleplays305 no, I mean it has no dynamic music. I never want to listen to it while I'm playing it because the game doesn't make me want to.

@basedcheese1

Жыл бұрын

​@@dascreeb5205It's because the soundtrack itself would be too short if it was dynamic. Said C418 himself when he composed the track all the way back. Though, with the fact that there are bosses there is reason to make battle music but ever since the decision to make the soundtrack ambient it has stayed that way.

@dascreeb5205

Жыл бұрын

@@basedcheese1 doesn't make it good.

I’ve started to notice his music has been playing less and less frequently in my worlds

@cube-d

Жыл бұрын

same

@Polska_Edits

Жыл бұрын

Same

@tiktok-mc2nq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it looks like I am not only one who noticed this

@RepeatedAxe

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's no way that's a coincidence, especially since there is more old than new music

@shannonriley1751

Жыл бұрын

it's really sad, his music is so beautiful and so nostalgic to so many people

I really hope Mojang brings 4J Studios back, Bedrock runs terribly on consoles, so having them focus on that aspect would probably help with the game. Or at least letting them bring in the mini-games in some form to Bedrock

@Athlete_Steve

Жыл бұрын

4J Studios made minecraft so much better

@DrowsyBelt95670

Жыл бұрын

@@Athlete_Steve agreed

@Thumb_

Жыл бұрын

It takes half an hour for the new minecraft on Xbox one to load. The old one, however, despite it being outdated, literally takes 39 seconds. Microsoft moment. Edit: as of now it seems to perform much better. Took a while.

@koolkatzjoey1717

Жыл бұрын

i still play Wii U minecraft minigames sometimes, the servers re still up the last time i played

@RepeatedAxe

Жыл бұрын

@@Thumb_ the fact that certain mobile devices have more render distance than the New gen consoles, and nearly every other device loads up the game faster than the consoles is insane

Minecraft has just become a money farming method for Microsoft. It's c418s music that still gives Minecraft its nostalgic vibe and now they want it gone just for money Edit: I'm not saying the new music is bad, in fact lena raine produces amazing new music like otherside and infinite amethyst but nothing can quite compare with volume alpha and beta.

@thetruetrident

Жыл бұрын

Its not just the nostalgia. C418 was a musical genius, and Lena Raine cant reproduce his style.

@darkdest6664

Жыл бұрын

thats why i dont trust microcock and their scummy buisness practices. seriously getting hard to even want to play block game anymore because of it.

@anthonypena3322

Жыл бұрын

It’s Minecraft’s responsibility to make a return on investment to its shareholders. Don’t blame the player blame the game.

@linkedlord343

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonypena3322 it's not their" responsibility " , you can still make money with a good game , do you enjoy seeing games ruined by corporate greed?

@gothenmosph5151

Жыл бұрын

Should a company care enough about your nostalgia that they're willing to spend money for it? No one spends money on Micecraft IP to hear music. Having music enhances the game but that can be done with tons of different music. What you don't find to be nostalgic will become nostalgic for someone else playing the game for the first time.

Sad to see Microsoft screwing over something Minecraft-related once again. It was important that C418 did explicitly say it's a Microsoft thing and not a Mojang thing though, since a lot of people tend to get mad at Mojang for Microsoft's tomfoolery

@derekg5674

Жыл бұрын

How are they screwing anything up? They own the game. They should own the rights. If c418 wants to own his own music, he should just make music.

@stephanieholland7137

Жыл бұрын

he still actively makes music that’s not minecraft, but he still wants to make music for the game

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

The issue is Mojang has more authority than people want to pretend no matter what. As an organization, they could throw their weight around as Microsoft is not willing to risk that product. It has been done a million times before by subsidiaries of other companies, but for some reason Mojang gets a pass.

@RepeatedAxe

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 yeah, the only other company in a similar situation is Marvel, where the fan base always blames Disney for the bad stuff

@SpartanNat

Жыл бұрын

@@RepeatedAxe there’s also 343 and Halo under Microsoft, where a lot of Microsoft’s tomfoolery (F2P, the store, rushed release) is blamed on 343.

I don't know, I love the new music and all, but every soundtrack made by C418 just sounds more Minecrafty. I'm not saying that I don't like Lena Raine's work, for example, but when I launch Minecraft, the menu soundtrack makes me feel a sad for no reason, while the old versions (Legacy versions) were perfect for a menu to sit and customize your new world, skins, whatever... *just wanted to add that I loved Pigstep as a disc, probably one of my favorites

@MattMarkYT

Жыл бұрын

Some of Lena Raine's music is great but there are some tracks such as the one released in 1.19 where it's just jazz. It's not even Minecraft.

@spiderz5145

Жыл бұрын

@@MattMarkYT and a lot of the new songs are just too loud, doesn’t sound good.

@meowmeowcat99

Жыл бұрын

@@MattMarkYT I stand by my thoughts on how I find all of the new Overworld music to outright not fit the Overworld. So much so it lead to pretty much complaining anytime it started playing. I found the nether music fine as it really fit the atmosphere.. but when they added new tracks for the Overworld/Menu.. it just doesn’t land right. I make exception for the Deep Dark/Ancient City music though for Overworld music. Lena Raine is great at otherworldly.. but the music for the Overworld/Menu isn’t right for the style of the game too much so. Only thing I can say is I made a resource pack to outright stop the new Overworld/Menu music playing so it’s all only C418 music on my Realm minus the Nether and Deep Dark. Only issue is I will have to revise it as I learned they really set the volume for new music way too high. Example being C418 music internally is set to like 10-30% (only 1 track 10% and one 30%, all the rest is 20%).. all of Lena’s work is set to 40%.. or more I believe for Deep Dark.

@lupus_aeterna7793

Жыл бұрын

The songs by c418 seem a lot more nostalgic and more in-tune to Minecraft's vibe if that makes any sense, rather than the newer songs on the CD's by Lena Raine. I love the music they made, but it just doesn't give that same vibe that makes me think 'oh yeah this is from Minecraft, this is a Minecraft song'.

@Randommanontheinternet9641

Жыл бұрын

@@meowmeowcat99yo can you give a download of that resource pack I would appreciate it I also prefer the original overworld music compared to the new one

This reminded me of the Mick Gordon situation with ID Studios. One reason I absolutely hate the law system in the U.S.(and any country that has the same system) is that either someone can be stalled out by a corporation until they are financially unable to stay in the court fight or they bury you with the best lawyers who know how to convince to win a fight.

@ariesleo7396

Жыл бұрын

I was commenting about this because Minecraft and DOOM are the only games I play

@jocker6271

Жыл бұрын

Bump

for fans of Minecraft's OG music, i highly recommend exploring C418's other works, they really showcase his versatility as an artist. personally, my favorite album of his is '148', which actually features a few Minecraft remixes from the original soundtrack (such as Vierton, Aria Math, and Biome Party, not to mention a gorgeous remix of Droopy Ricochets and Droopy Remembers). additionally, i highly recommend 'Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures', 'Excursions', and 'One'. What amazes me about C418 is his ability to maintain that signature Minecraft-ian sound; beautiful, lush, full chord progressions, while being able to completely change styles with fast, upbeat, tempos, with driving synths, and what can only be described as pure electronica. C418 is honestly a huge inspiration to me as an artist, he manages to breathe so much life into digital music. truly one of the GOATs!

@ravimediatube

Жыл бұрын

ONE is so good. he said it was his favorite abum. that. and excursions is so freaking good wow

@maxxer4557

Жыл бұрын

What's the name of the aria math remix?

@banukaii

Жыл бұрын

ONE is such an wonderful little albient album. I saved up money to buy the CD when I was in middle school, and it got me through a lot. I'd highly recommend Dief as well.

@ravimediatube

Жыл бұрын

@@maxxer4557 aria economy from the album 148!

@ravimediatube

Жыл бұрын

@@banukaii Agree

Nothing beats OG C418. I love ALL of his music on Minecraft. Wait, Cat, Far, Ward etc discs are absolutely supreme. I like Otherside and Pigstep but they don’t feel as Minecraft-esque

@cement_eater

Жыл бұрын

How can you hype up c418’s discs without mentioning stal

@cubycube9924

Жыл бұрын

Same bro C418 just hits different

@TheTrollMastah

Жыл бұрын

@@cement_eater I was literally going to list them all, I can’t choose a favorite

@raijuu.1819

Жыл бұрын

I think Kumi is definitely doing a great job of capturing the esscense of C418's music, while on the other hand Lena had her own style that I personally think matches the new updates really well. C418 definitely is the GOAT though.

@p4nder

Жыл бұрын

@@cement_eater stal and strad are my fav

This is the same basis as the DOOM Eternal Soundtrack issue, where the studio wanted the rights to all of the sounds and every arrangement (ignoring the production issues of that album) despite the fact that the guy who made it just wanted to own what he made

@yeldarb300

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. The video comes off as tone deaf and so one sided to microsoft.

@anotheramber7074

Жыл бұрын

to be fair though, at least microsoft didn't slander c418 along the way.

@mobiusone6994

Жыл бұрын

@@anotheramber7074 wdym, I thought one of the big complaints they had was they said C418 was hard to work with?

Minecraft isn't Minecraft without C418 music. The new music is fine I guess, but the music he made is so unique and so special to the game. When I hear any of the new songs come on they feel just out of place and not right, sure it could be that I'm still trying to get used to them, but I really don't see why they needed to add more songs to the soundtrack, it just seems completely pointless to me and seems like an unnecessary altering of one of the key components of the game.

@Cobalt20

Жыл бұрын

I like some of the new songs, but I completely agree, nothing about them says Minecraft. They feel like a splash of neon color against a black and white canvas. I miss C418’s work.

@TheFlyfly

Жыл бұрын

the new tracks are biome specific, so i assume they exist because Mojang wanted music that complements the biomes and makes biomes more unique. it's the same thing as C418's ocean music. from my perspective, the new tracks appeal more to the "natural" side of Minecraft, while the old tracks appeal to the player experience and Minecraft as a whole

@1598hi

Жыл бұрын

I definitely don't like the new music. It's not bad in and of itself it's just bad in the game, completely unwitting and out of place. The music system was also completely broken when they added this music as o have noticed songs don't really come on at random anymore. It's the same few songs in a loop over and over consistently. If that wasn't bad enough they couldn't even be bothered to implement the new music properly as it's significantly louder than the rest. Nothing like an out of place song that sounds like a sunrise playing while you're deep in a mine and at a volume so loud you can't even hear the blocks breaking let alone the potential mob coming for you. I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to mod to a slightly older version of the game which I find really sad.

@TSU_PIA

Жыл бұрын

The new music is not fine, lena raine is not good at this job. We want c418 for minecraft music, i hate the new lena raine songs!

@tempejkl

4 ай бұрын

@@TheFlyflyThe new tracks are literally so loud. Not very natural imo

Terraria music is great but Minecraft, C418 particularly just nailed that comforting vibe so incredibly well

@NotSnak

Жыл бұрын

Terrarias music is a different vibe. Just like is a much different vibe of a game even though it has similarity to minecraft both are iconic in their own way

@GewelReal

Жыл бұрын

comforting? Minecraft is a horror game

@grain9640

Жыл бұрын

I always did feel so comforted by the music in minecraft Alpha when I was a child specifically I would hum along and feel like everything was going to be ok

@siyacer

2 ай бұрын

terraria music makes me feel cold and zoned out

I can understand both sides completely. C418 wants to retain ownership of his music, new and old, likely for both creative and monetary reasons. Microsoft just wants to commission him to make music for Minecraft that they'll own, which is the industry standard. If C418 won't take a flat fee, there are thousands of other composers that will, shame but it's business.

@t.kersten7695

Жыл бұрын

and C418 himself might creat iconic Music for other Companies / Creators as well which could boost his reach and reputation

@That0Homeless0Guy

Жыл бұрын

It was my understanding that C418's contract with Mojang was that they had exclusive rights to publish as Minecraft content and he retained ownership of the music. This however was a contract made with Notch as part of Mojang and not with Microsoft.

@thomasdiehlen77

Жыл бұрын

@@That0Homeless0Guy That is also a contract made under Swedish law. In most parts of europe, it's legally impossible for ownership of art to transfer away from the artist (except to their heirs) because that is considered an inalienable right.

@XrayTheMyth23

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdiehlen77 I wonder if this is what they are trying to work out then. Possibly he is willing to sell but is worried about logistics. I feel like even if he doesn't they will find a place for him to contribute, possibly in Legends.

@FauxFemale

Жыл бұрын

Just because it's industry standard doesn't mean it's good. This is just a way for the scumbag corporations to squeeze out more money and take rights (in this case, the right of someone's ownership to their own art) away from their workers.

I actually like C418 music more than the others, because they don't give me jump scares when I'm exploring a cave or something. The music is calming, and is motivational even when doing mundane tasks.

@alexjustalexyt1144

Жыл бұрын

yea, his music fades in and fades out, never asking for the player's attention but rather just adding just enough to relieve us from the silence of the Minecraft world. The new music sounds like it's trying to be a bit more serious and prove that it exists if that makes sense.

@cruelchris3099

Жыл бұрын

@@alexjustalexyt1144 It's the difference between looking for a tab of music playing outside the game vs. going to the options to turn the music off.

@nakano15

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and in the case of the new musics, it doesn't help the fact that: when you're exploring a cave, lighting your way in it, trying to look for monsters while everything is silent, a music suddenly starts playing out of nowhere. That literally gave me a jump scare twice when I was exploring caves.

@Wylde_

Жыл бұрын

This new music is loud and annoying because I'm trying to listen and relax, but c418 is that perfect combination

@bobolobocus333

Жыл бұрын

The End (or whatever it's called) scared me with it sounding like my PC was BSODding.

The worst part may be that the song Taswell was dedicated to someone who passed away and now Microsoft owns it.

@chuckpatty1760

Жыл бұрын

I think C418 stills owns his music in Minecraft (correct me if I'm wrong...). anyway I LOVE Taswell, its my favorite track in the game

@antiseth3964

Жыл бұрын

I’ve always loved Taswell. It is always one to put on my stereo set, crank it up, dim the lights, sit back, and take in. If it is indeed a memorial track, that would make it even more beautiful.

@mobiusone6994

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckpatty1760 He doesn't

@frymaster9850

5 ай бұрын

Daniel still owns the rights to all his music in Minecraft

Toycat is basically like a little Minecraft Tabloid for us lol

@STA-3

Жыл бұрын

True.

I really don't mind getting music from other creators, as long as we don't get so many music tracks that the og's never come up during gameplay, but the fact that there's a whole unreleased 3rd C418 album is mind boggling. I really want to hear it.

My biggest beef with the newer OST is that it really just feels like it's for children, as for Daniel's feels like it speaks to us adults, and gives us a very personal feeling similar, but unique in conjunction to our experiences with the game back in the old Alpha, and Beta when we grew up.

I really wish they would let C418 make music for this game again (obviously I still think the new tracks are really good, made by amazing composers) particularly because I want to know what would be on that third Minecraft album though hey, at least they aren't straight up removing C418's music from the game, honestly I think if that happened the community's response would probably be far more negative than even the chat reporting stuff

@C4Oc.

Жыл бұрын

If they removed all C418 music in game, I would consider quitting forever. At the very least, I would not be playing any of the new versions until there was some mod adding the music back, or I made my own mod.

@ImCrowned76

Жыл бұрын

Just boycott it with a resource pack

@metinhesenov

Жыл бұрын

I still can't understand the negativity about chat report stuff. Isn't it standart practice for almost every online game out there? I can't remember playing an online enabled game without a reporting option

@volt42re

Жыл бұрын

@@metinhesenov You shouldn’t be banned from the game for breaking the rules of one server. Hypixel and 2b2t have very different rules. Personal servers as well are no longer a possibility when you get banned from what should only be one server. Your Discord account isn’t blocked from using any servers if you’re banned from one, so why do it in Minecraft?

@MinecraftTestSquad

Жыл бұрын

@@metinhesenov It's also typically standard practice for servers to be hosted by the owners of the game. Servers are community driven here. Mojang should not feel the need to interject themselves into communities that have already figured out how to moderate themselves, pay for their own hosting, and develop their own plugins. If Mojang hosted official servers and applied it there, that's fine. It's why VAC bans make sense and aren't controversial on steam. You get VAC banned, you get banned from the servers *Steam* hosts, but it doesn't affect community servers. That's a fine system.

I want a button to turn off the newer music and to just be left with C418’s soundtrack. At the very least. I know I am speaking for many more people that want this as well

Damn. I thought C418 was at fault for his music not being in Smash Bros, but now I see his side of things.

I pray that they'll come to some agreement, we NEED another album from C418

@bezimienny1484

Жыл бұрын

microsoft is just typical evil corporation it doesnt care about mc only about profit now or later

Gamma is what you'd call a third release if Alpha and Beta were one and two.

@erichudson205

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Delta would be the 4th one. Gamma is the third letter of the Greek alphabet.

@PraiseHeavyLobster

Жыл бұрын

@@erichudson205 iirc, C418 confirmed that the third album would not be named Gamma.

@kinglyzebra6417

Жыл бұрын

I am 100% convinced that calling the 1.20 pre-releases "Alpha" and "Beta" is Microsoft trying to "Nostalgia-Bait" us.

@thepethynowo

Жыл бұрын

@@kinglyzebra6417 I think thats just how video game development is

I still play the minigames on psvita regularly, it's amazing to find loads of others still playing. I wish they'd come back in modern Minecraft with more items and bigger maps

If the song played at the end of the video was one of the unreleased battle mode tracks, it was definitely made by C418 because it uses a musical motif from Alpha, the track that plays during the credits

Terraria town music isn't bad, but it's also nowhere near the best

@toycat

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, didn't wanna make it unfair - just mentioning no other "good" music would fit

@MadJack1

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it fits terraria. Most of c418's songs would sound of in Terraria. Most of terraria's music wouldn't fit Minecraft either.

They need to let 4J studios to work on bedrock in the future to make it actually not so frustrating to use

@Crackers0106

Жыл бұрын

Apparently some 4J employees actually do work on Bedrock now, though I don't remember where I heard this from

Personally I'm glad C418 keeps the rights to his music. I wouldn't want to see Microsoft use his original minecraft music in something like a spin off or movie. The music belongs with minecraft, and I'd hate to see Microsoft use it as a money cow.

Perhaps a way to settle this problem is how the Pokemon ip is owned partly by Gamefreak, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company. Apparently there's something called "slicensing", which I guess means more than one person or company owns the rights to an ip somehow. So if C418 and Microsoft could strike a deal where they become co-owners of Album Delta, the result is Microsoft could use the music in future version of Minecraft and C418 could sell the music on his own. Everyone is happy! Speaking of, Hershey gets a cut of every M&M's thing sold.

@cakecheese2895

Жыл бұрын

Everyone is happy, except for Microsoft who wants the full rights to C418's music

@wariodude128

Жыл бұрын

@@cakecheese2895 With co-ownership they technically would.

@cakecheese2895

Жыл бұрын

@@wariodude128 but not really, since they wouldn't be in full control, which could mean less money for them.

@sarowie

Жыл бұрын

@@cakecheese2895 it does not strictly need to be a monetary dispute. Imaging the artist wants to use his own music in a politcal piece, but Microsoft does not want "their game music" to be politically loaded. How do you square that?

@Burning_Marshmallow

Жыл бұрын

@@sarowie Microsoft is most of the time doing things for the money, if they can get other composers for cheaper/better deals for them, they’ll probably do it. However, they could also be just saying no because they Microsoft, so they do bad decisions just because. So it can be either way, I’m not fully sure, but it also doesn’t mean either option isn’t false as well.

Microsoft slowly destroying game in one of the most unexpected ways: THE MUSIC. No composer can ever be as nostalgic and skilled as C418.

@brosiyeah

Жыл бұрын

Play through Celeste and try to say Lena Raine is not a skilled composer

@boogaloobender3462

Жыл бұрын

@@brosiyeah i will not

@abhaytyagi6179

7 ай бұрын

Lena raine is a great composer but C418 is C418, nothing beats that!

@CrucibleGuy

3 ай бұрын

@@brosiyeah She is talented for sure, but does her music fit the calming and relaxing game such as a minecraft? Not really.

Lena Raine's music is amazing and she lowkey has some of the best minecraft music discs, but C418 music is a minecraft hood classic lol

1:49 "Traumatizing to say the least" finally someone with a heart trapped in a corpo NDA said it.

@m12735

Жыл бұрын

8:44 yay pigstep

If Notch never sold Minecraft, it may have been less popular, had a lower quality, had less updates, had fewer impacts on gaming. But it would be pure, uncorrupted. Is Notch truly happier with that 2 billion dollars?

@boogaloobender3462

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he regrets it

If an agreement doesn’t work out, I’d love to at least see this album release in the form of a resource pack. I would absolutely use it, and I’m sure many others would too

Normally composer only licenses their music to the company so that they can use it whilst the composer still has the rights to it and can freely release it as a ost. This is considered standard in the industry but I don't know what kind of deal C418 made and it seems that in this case it's more complicated.

@me-myself-i787

Жыл бұрын

That is the deal he made, but Microsoft doesn't want to commission more music from him under these terms. That's why they switched to another composer.

Just listened to those 4 tracks, I think they are indeed C418's composition and sound design, some parts of them sound a bit unmixed/unrefined but this would make sense cause they ended up hiring Gareth so no need for a final mix/master from C418's side, I could be wrong but yeah C418 is my favourite composer and biggest inspiration, hopefully one day they'll let him release volume 3

Something Microsoft needs to learn is to care for the little guy.

@nologin5375

Жыл бұрын

Microsoft has never cared for the little guy ever and they never will.

We also have to remember (and I feel this may be the reason) that C418 is one of the oldest "Minecraft staff" he was producing all these different songs for Notch who now is no longer associated with Minecraft. Also doesn't it seem suspicious that they seemingly dropped c418 in favour of Lena Raine right around the time of the Notchroversy

@Athlete_Steve

Жыл бұрын

Notchroversy 😂

@rudrasingh6354

Жыл бұрын

They dropped him because Microsoft wants to own all rights to in-game music. C418 owns volume alpha and beta and Mojang/Microsoft have a license to use in Minecraft. But they can't use it for say when they collaborated with Smash Bros. That's why they got new people for vanilla and dungeons and you can see that those tracks list Microsoft as the owner whereas for C418's music it lists him as the owner.

@CatOnVenus183

Жыл бұрын

excuse you? C418 does not support notch.

@bigpig2709

Жыл бұрын

​@@CatOnVenus183 Not anymore, but before Notch's questionable tweets he and C418 were like business partners

@TheCJBrine

Жыл бұрын

He was producing songs for Notch because Notch hired him to do the music, this says nothing about C418’s character. You can be a business partner without agreeing with the other person’s views. Some people who worked with him back then, such as Jeb, are still around, too. Notch seemingly kept his views private until some years ago long after he already sold the company, so there’s a good possibility a lot of them weren’t aware either. It’s very likely the only reason they aren’t working with C418 anymore is due to the disagreement over the music rights, as stated in the video.

software dev here(who do spritework and music on free time when making games as a hobby): you might not own the rights to the features you made, but some of the things you make are also not owned by the company. and there is a massive difference between game features and music or sprites. game features need to be maintained constantly meaning that they do, in fact, keep paying you for that feature for as long as you work there, so making a feature only provides you more work opportunities later. on the other hand sprites and music are a "one off" service and are usually protected by royalty earnings for their use as after a piece has been made it can be replayed or displayed as many times as you want with no breaking issues(music doesn't stop musicing for no reason, same for images)

This is such a damn shame. He's an incredibly talented artist who was key to Mincraft's growth. Microsoft sucks. They've ruined so many things and burned out so many great programmers.

@uncleol

Жыл бұрын

The only reason Microsoft did it was cause they were absolute bitches

@brycearmstrong7582

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but from their perspective Minecraft is key to C418s growth, his music likely wouldn’t be famous without Minecraft

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

@@brycearmstrong7582 that's the point. They want to make a mutually beneficial relationship one sided.

@XrayTheMyth23

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 It's not really mutually beneficial if only C418 benefitted. Minecraft would still be the same if it had a different soundtrack, it's been over a decade, anything would be nostalgic.

@nokutori9964

Жыл бұрын

​@@XrayTheMyth23good soundtracks make or break games and movies, there's no guarantee Minecraft would be perceived or as successful if it had different music, it's mutually beneficial, thinking Minecraft wouldn't change much without him is just deluded corporate talk

C418 didn’t just create the soundtrack, he created Minecraft.

1:55 some of the most iconic sounds in Minecraft???? SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC IN GAMING

I’ve been wanting to know why c418’s album 1 & 2 hasn’t been in for years. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK. THAT MAN DESERVES EVERY PENNY, every song is a MASTER PIECE.

Knowing Microsoft they probably wanted the old music rights too , this Is the level of shadynes that Microsoft does.

@D1rtyD3bra

Жыл бұрын

What about that is shady? I’m sure they did want the old music rights.

@Tasorius

Жыл бұрын

@@D1rtyD3bra Wanting to own things that aren't theirs.

@ala8455

Жыл бұрын

@@Tasorius yes that’s the point of buying. If he doesn’t want to sell, they don’t have to pay him anymore?

@Tasorius

Жыл бұрын

@@ala8455 He wants to own his own music so that Microsoft can't just use it for whatever they want. I'm sure he wouldn't be allowed to put it up on KZread if Microsoft owned it. He doesn't want to be controlled by a massive corporation. But saying this is probably pointless when you are on the side of Microsoft... No reasonable person would take their side.

C418 was a genius, and scrapping him was honestly one of the things that ruined modern Minecraft for me. Its just not the same anymore. I now just turn music off and find Minecrafty C418 albums to put on while I play, even if its a pretty iffy solution. I really wish that the 3rd volume releases so someone can make a texture pack of it and I can enjoy the nostalgia once again. I really respect him for working so hard to keep the rights to the music too, since it means nobody has to be afraid of using it in their videos. He wasn't willing to bow down to a corporation even if it cost him a lot. What an absolute icon of a generation, we'll never forget Minecraft Volume Beta, even if Micro$oft has.

I bought Minecraft for PS4 recently, every time I boot it up, I go straight to “Editions”. The only time I hit the normal “Play” button, is when I am showing off slow load times and how broken the new game is to other people.

@brickthecat

Жыл бұрын

How did you get the editions button working? I have wanted to play the latest ps4 editon for awhile but I can’t see the editions button, so I’m stuck on the first version that came with the disk.

@TheSonicKidMC

Жыл бұрын

how'd you get the editions button lol

@Gold_Yoshi

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSonicKidMC I got a used copy of the disc version of the game released back in that time. I canceled the update (though you can just delete it whenever), then I played around a bit for nostalgia reasons, but also to trigger the button to appear later. Then, I updated the game.

@TheSonicKidMC

Жыл бұрын

@@Gold_Yoshi but where'd you bought the disk?

@Gold_Yoshi

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSonicKidMC Online. Places like ebay might have it, try to find one that has "4j studios" on it.

I just realized something, so remember when Steve was added to Smash Bros, they dind't get any of the original songs because they would be "too slow for the game" so instead they went with songs from minecraft dungeons? I see it now, it never was about the pace, It's about the legality of using C418 songs, that's why they didn't include any of those.

@jeremyjimenez7858

Жыл бұрын

It would also be extremely jarring to be playing Smash Bros with C418 music

@SupervillainCabal

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyjimenez7858 it wouldn't matter much though. You can go on a killing spree in minecraft with the same music so it wouldn't change much. Plus smash already has some calm soundtracks

its a matter of self-respect and not giving in to microsoft we need more people like him

I'm excited to hear the mini game music you linked. I was late to the Minecraft party, and was just starting to understand who C418 was around the time Microsoft phased him out. I was happy to see he produces outside of the MC universe, but am super excited to know that there is more MC stuff from him out there, and if we're lucky enough somehow, that might see the light of day.

They basically are saying "why should you get rich off your work when we can" not really a way to see this from Microsoft's side but also if they have other composers who are willing to do it their way then they should just go their separate ways.

For me, i hear C418’s music like a story. Its different every time you listen but always just as entertaining even without gameplay added. I just can’t get that feeling of the story with the newer music.

@friendlyfire3631

Жыл бұрын

Anyone get what i mean?

@brosiyeah

Жыл бұрын

It’s always put me to sleep. I like the energy of the new music as I parkour up mountains

I remember the first time I heard Mice On Venus. It was back in version 1.3.2 and I was lost, trying to go back to my base. I was getting so frustrated, until I saw a torch in the distance, above a little hill. I climbed it and there it was, on the other side, the frozen lake next to my tiny base. That's the moment I fell in love with Minecraft and became my favorite game ever. C418 is one of the most iconic composers in recent history, right up there with John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Allan Silvestri. It's such a shame this situation got this complicated.

Removing zombie pigmen. Chat reporting. C418 betrayal. Horrible.

6:59 "But then it belongs to ass" - ibxtoycat 2023 (look at the bottom of the screen)

They should just let C418 own the music, and then he can produce more music for other spin off games for Microsoft if he wants. That way they both get what they want in a way.

@cakecheese2895

Жыл бұрын

Microsoft doesn't get what it wants. They don't want C418's music, they want to own the music they do have.

The way I see it, the issue is that C418 wants to continue working under the standards of an indie composer on a game that hasn’t been an indie game for a long time. He’s seeking the standards for the industry Minecraft was in when he first came to the team, and Microsoft is seeking the standard for the industry Minecraft is in now. The indie industry and the mainstream game industry are two completely different cans of worms with two completely different sets of standards for what is considered normal and acceptable. Perfectly normal for the composer working on an indie game to own the rights and make royalties, perfectly normal for composers working on powerhouse games owned by corporations to be compensated in a lump-sum instead. At the end of the day, yeah it sucks that we don’t have any new C418 tracks, but Microsoft is within their rights to seek what is considered the reasonable industry standard for a game of Minecraft’s scale. Toycat is right in pointing out that they wouldn’t have someone like Lena Raine working for them if they weren’t offering reasonable deals. Either one of the parties will have to bend to the other, or C418 will have to move on to other things. The problem is that he’ll probably run into the same issue with most other big-name games. He’s in a kill-or-be-killed industry, unfortunately you can’t usually have your cake and eat it too.

@buildman126

Жыл бұрын

Nah

I'd just wish for all the minecraft music creators to maybe be in a room and work on a soundtrack together, like a band with giving me and alot of other people hope for creativity, Microsoft is not the problem, infact nobody is the problem and all the problem is Corporations are actually controlling all of that, and Mojang is having trouble producing alot of things with technical problems with what people govern over.

@landryrodriguez6759

Жыл бұрын

What version are you playing in the background? It looks like a 4j console version but it’s one 1.14 or above because of the outposts? Did they update it?

@alexjustalexyt1144

Жыл бұрын

@@landryrodriguez6759 wrong comment bro

@landryrodriguez6759

Жыл бұрын

@@alexjustalexyt1144 whoops that meant to not be in a reply section 😂

@SUBDESTROYER

Жыл бұрын

@@landryrodriguez6759 🤣

@dyskilz

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, c418 is completely different then them. I don’t mean to sound rude but to be fair there is a reason they are hiring these people in opposition to c418, they’ll give into the corporation to create music that they think will fit the game while c418 just made music he liked and it fit perfectly

Big companies are like "when we paid you for the copyrighted music, we then own it, just like any physical item." But then when the consumer says "oh, so when we buy a digital copyrighted game, we own it forever, and we can even resell it to someone else, just like any physical item"? Then the big company gets angry because only they get to actually own anything.

the minecrafts whole "oh we trying protect the minecraft original feel and soul" thing and and immediately lawyer bombing the the guy who is main elements of the og minecraft saying everything we need to know. it been said for years now its a dead game and big numbers of players playing on older versions to feel that same emotions

this video is 2% facts 98% speculation

I think the features of minecraft being compared to owning the music isn't a fair comparison. Those can't exist without minecraft, when the soundtrack can be enjoyed without it. I think Microsoft should just stop being greedy over copyright and let the music come back. Edit: He also doesn't want copyright strikes on people's stuff, remember what happened with pigstep when that came out?

@apothic0n

Жыл бұрын

Yeah its more like he wants to sell microsoft the rights to use his music in the game instead of selling the music. This means microsoft cant just use his music in spin-offs without his permission, but at the same time they will always be able to use it in minecraft.

Wow I wonder how many new tracks in this Volume 3 he's worked on could've been classics! It's like finding out your fav band whose albums and singles you've all heard had a secret unreleased piece this whole time!

Stuff like this is gonna make me quit completely. I remember playing on older versions and having the time of my life, nowadays my survival world is a slideshow... I'm just done with these big companies ruining everything.

Minecraft is honestly being ruined by Microsoft. ugh.

What's even sadder is that Microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of his music slowly by continuing to add new music from multiple different composer's and making tracks only play in specific biomes. Even though this can be noticed many people just ignore it or don't care enough because either they are not as connected to C418's music or because they're so used to the new music now. I keep thinking C418's music is still here until it isn't. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where they straight up remove it from the game but even now there's just so much new music getting added that eventually it'll just be rare to hear one of C418's tracks.

@keanes8608

Жыл бұрын

We need more people to band together… the way we wouldn’t shut up about the chat report

@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad

Жыл бұрын

Oh I'm sorry for not "connect" enough with C418, i just don't care.

@Vigintion

Жыл бұрын

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad cry harder

@h.f6364

Жыл бұрын

@@Vigintion you do realize youre the person crying about block game music right

I bet that 3rd album would sound SO GOOD

The new music is a laughable attempt of trying to capture the magic that is Minecraft ambience. The only man that can capture that magic is C418.

@noahbecker8690

Жыл бұрын

I think the new music isn’t trying to recreate the old music. Also personally I like both music the same

@sorrarain

Жыл бұрын

@@noahbecker8690 You must be 12 or younger.

@Zrq23414

Жыл бұрын

@@sorrarain bro got mad at someone’s opinions.

@sorrarain

Жыл бұрын

@@Zrq23414 It's not a insult to be young, or to state that fact. Double digit IQ statement right here.

Comparing music to Minecraft features doesn't make much sense. Programmers are *not* paid on a feature-by-feature basis and musicians *are* paid on a piece-by-piece basis. Features aren't also protected by copyright laws, just ask PUBG and Fortnite or Fortnite and Minecraft. You also can't sell "a feature" unless there's an entire game built to support it, but you can sell music without any game to support it. This idea that Microsoft should own the music made for the game is indefensible and should never be considered the industry standard. This is exactly why we can't have the nice version of Doom Eternal soundtrack produced and released.

@Lotus77777

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, it is an egregious take.

The new music sounds like a cheap imitation of the original

@Sparky6Voltz

Жыл бұрын

Agreed The new composers are great, but it's just nearly impossible to replicate c418's work. They'd be great if they didn't have to imitate an already existing style, but rather be working for a company where they can just make the music that fits their personal styles better

When I'm in a bootlicking competition and my opponent is ibxtoycat

Funny thing, one of the new Music Artists, Kumi Tanioka, made the Molduga Remix for Super Smash Bros Ultimate

C418's music is peaceful and nostalgic. Lena Raine's music perfectly fits as well

@trolluspogus4732

Жыл бұрын

Not perfectly, but really well

@Dr.Slaughter

Жыл бұрын

@@trolluspogus4732 Have you heard the Nether music? So Below and Rubedo are incredibly fitting! I cant think of a song that would fit better imo

@windshieldflipers9294

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dr.Slaughter Dead Voxel, Ballad of the Cats, Warmth and Concrete Halls fit better but Rubedo and So Below still fit very well.

This feels like a moment where c418 maybe feeling disconnected from the product that he produces his music.

I had no idea Gareth Coker did the majority of the minecraft minigames soundtrack! He did the music for the Ori games which are some of my favorite games ever so thats pretty neat!

3:53 "Only" got paid 20,000 euros for a poem???? That makes it probably one of the most profitable poems in history. How on earth could you be upset over that?

@subscheme

Жыл бұрын

Yea Microsoft can’t be expected to pay more than they promised

@subscheme

Жыл бұрын

It doesn’t make sense angry at Microsoft when they never even said they would pay more

I am once again asking for all the lawyers to be Minecrafted in Minecraft.

What was that seed with the crazy illager/villager temple life?

he should leak the music into some obscure forum under a fake account for people to find and make it look like he got hacked

6:23 what the, vilage, outpost, desert temple and woodland mansion??

the old minigames bring back fond and yet fleeting memories.

the fact that one of these songs is a remix of alpha is... i'm speechless alpha is my favorite song of all time

@Something_Disgusting

Жыл бұрын

Due to how licensing works, and the fact that it has a stretching melody within that's almost an exact copy from Alpha, it's pretty safe to believe that C418 DID in fact make those four Battle Mode tracks.

While i can see the composers side of things. I have seen many times where later on in a video games life DMCA has completely ruined games by not being able to keep the original soundtrack

7:20 I feel like a developer should own the rights to use whatever feature however they want, since it's their code and hard work, but microsoft should have the same rights.

C418 should be able to produce more music, if they say no to him having rights to his own music that’s bs

@jeremyjimenez7858

Жыл бұрын

They aren't saying "no to him having rights to his own music" they are saying "We want to buy your music not just buy a license" which is fair

@fitmotheyap

Жыл бұрын

​@@jeremyjimenez7858 it's common to license such things, also doesn't buy in this context mean buy the rights? Which no sane person should do, the current environment is really tough on artists and people are trying to rip them off even more, disgusting.

@jeremyjimenez7858

Жыл бұрын

@@fitmotheyap it is common for indie games but not for any other game.

I think it’s an ownership thing, I’m confident Microsoft would pay him well for releasing a 3rd album, but they want to tie off loose ends and try and make everything new in the game owned by them fully just for brand protection.

The music is what makes Minecraft iconic in the first place, so the fact Microsoft would stab them in the back is saddening

Man I wish I could hear that 3rd Album.

"screw your memories and your history, the money in our pockets is a victory" really sad to see c418 is slowly fading from Minecraft, wouldn't be surprising but yet upsetting if Microsoft removes his songs because they can't get into an agreement

@Athlete_Steve

Жыл бұрын

I would permanently play with music off and just stream c418 on Spotify if that happened ngl

@trolluspogus4732

Жыл бұрын

@@Athlete_SteveI would actually stop playing Minecraft and go back to fortnite

@Athlete_Steve

Жыл бұрын

@TrollusPogus fortnite has been getting better for sure though ngl.

@cement_eater

Жыл бұрын

datapacks would solve that issue easily

@trolluspogus4732

Жыл бұрын

@@cement_eater yea but it wouldn’t hit the same, knowing Microsoft removed them

C418's music is what got me into MC.

[Speculation] I think there's one extra detail missing. Wouldn't it be better for C418 to write *new* music under a *new* agreement, since doing a job and getting paid is better than not doing a job and not getting paid? I think Microsoft insisted on also transferring the rights to his *old* music to the company as well, otherwise they wouldn't work with him anymore. In that case, C418 choosing to walk away sounds very understandable.

This is also most certainly the reason no music from Minecraft is present in Smash, as Microsoft don't hold the rights. There would have to be an agreement between all of Microsoft/Mojang and Nintendo and C418 for that to have happened. That's why they had to rely on Dungeons and Earth for their music. In Smash, the only tracks that are listed as directly from "Minecraft" proper are the tracks by Gareth Coker that come from the console mini games.

You should talk about mojang not wanting to fix the editions button for minecraft ps4 digitally, they literally don't want to limit people access to their own purchase

@hantomdventure

Жыл бұрын

It works for me on ps4, you just have to click it the *second* it shows up. If you wait long enough to click it (10 seconds at least) it's not gonna work

@avery9699

Жыл бұрын

@@hantomdventure What do u mean? do you have a video teaching that?

Isn’t there also a whole issue inside the marketplace where they are releasing content of other ips but because the blame is on the creator who “supposivly” got the permissions to post the content mojang avoids legal trouble?

Daniel has said it won't be called "Delta" on (I believe) the subreddit named after him before. Yeah, really hope we get to hear this art one day, and even more I hope Daniel gets what he deserves.

I can see it from both sides. C418- Had an agreement with Mojang during its time as an indie startup when Mojang was more than happy paying residuals as their influence to bring in more composers was limited, and until being purchased by Microsoft, Mojang just kept the contract the same even though their influence and means to pay other composers had grown. Therefore he is wondering why it needs to be changed now. Microsoft- While to many it looks like a case of "Greedy corporation screwing composer" is instead making decisions based on experience. Just like many large developers, they have experience with Licensing music (which they would be doing if C418 retained the rights) and then not being able to renew licensing or having a falling out with whomever they are contracting with and then having to alter the product when the license holder demands they stop using their content. Microsoft would rather just own the content outright where able.

the new tracks don't track

Honestly both sides are reasonable arguments. It's a standard for artists to sell the rights to their work by being commissioned for said piece be it music, artwork, game assets, etc. I'm not normally one to defend big corporations but this is just standard business practice. It's honestly just something that has to be negotiated by the team to reach something of an agreement. There's not really a right or wrong side and it's just to conflicting normal opinions.

I play on Java and use a resource pack that only allows the old music to play in menu and all dimensions, it's so nice lol.

The last track.... if that is one of the battlemode tracks then for sure its made by C418. I recognise that tune, it is a remixed segment of "Alpha", the credits track (my opinion one of the best tracks)