One of MJ's greatest yet most underrated strengths is his ability to move without the ball.

@luistorres8005

6 жыл бұрын

Beth Loggins yessir, his basketball IQ was ridiculous.

@LakersFanSinceJulyst

4 жыл бұрын

Credit to Phil.

@pablomariachi16

3 жыл бұрын

@Curly Que no doubt he can but he seldom do offball and rely so much on iso & dribble penetration. MJ in the 2nd three-peat, learned how to be ultra efficient within the concept of the triangle. He just let the game come to him instead of forcing his way to the teeth of the defense. Iso was always a last resort to him if the triangle failed to find a shot.

@TheGr8-1

2 жыл бұрын

@@LakersFanSinceJulyst credit to Dean Smith. He went to college.

@craftsmanshippalace7777

2 жыл бұрын

and patience

I can't believe Kobe made 486 accounts.

@ThePrufessa

10 жыл бұрын

I can't believe nobody knows what you're talking about

@peabrane8067

10 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about?

@ThePrufessa

10 жыл бұрын

Kobe Bryant lol exactly

@flawlessyt1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePrufessa 🤣🤣🤣

@mrsxber1916

3 жыл бұрын

Some of you guys missed the joke😭😭. He's saying Kobe made that many accounts just to dislike this video

I watched both players in their primes. This isn't a selective collection of plays. Sure Michael took some bad shots at times, but it's because he had to. Kobe took bad shots when it was completely unnecessary.. sure he looked good when he made them, *when* he made them.

@jojocapone4861

7 жыл бұрын

justletmeuseit Exactly right!

@ricosauve5

7 жыл бұрын

justletmeuseit Jordan, especially as he got older learned how to move without the ball, which made him more dangerous, and how to get his shots within the offense. Which meant he didn't have to use as much energy. Kobe on the other hand preferred ball in hand. A lot of ISO. I'm mean Kobe never in his career shot 50% for a season. Even when shaq was getting triple team you would think one season he'd shoot 50%

@boogieloo1831

7 жыл бұрын

ricosauve5 - definitely - Nobody moved better without the ball than MJ.

@iwangoodfellow4404

7 жыл бұрын

Ray Allen and Reggie Miller are better without the ball. You can even add Michael Redd and Boris Diaw in the list of better offball palyers.

@xman5473

6 жыл бұрын

ricosauve5 this is a complete lie after 2008 Kobe even said himself he decided to become the main ball handler because no one on his team could make the right passes. Young Kobe averaged 30 without having the bell for minutes

difference is how easy MJs shots were(thats why hes so efficient) compared to kobe who preferred to take tough shots. Also MJ was imo wayy better moving offball

@razkable

8 жыл бұрын

thats the one thing coming off screens/ off ball...mj was the best at that...to me if your a coach and you have lebron wade kobe or mj I would tell them to move cause you cant be double teamed if you moving off ball and its harder to guard you and its harder for the best defenders to find and matchup with you every single play when your moving compared too standing still.......and if these stars are as fast and fit as they claim to be they should be able a few extra points out of it....to me stars like them ...if im a coach im making sure they should touch the ball every play down the court besides in transition.....to me if my stars touch the play every time down the court not only will we get an extra 2 baskets a night out of just mistakes by the defense and our star noticing and attacking but if you put pressure with the star touching the ball every play the other coach will get upset even if the star passes right away just him touching the ball changes the way the defense looks... but also your offense will run smoother..........if wade lebron and kobe moved off ball the way mj could....they would be unguardable ...all 4 of their ball in hands skills are amazing especially at attacking...if you notice in their primes the best way to beat lebron kobe and wade is to make them play off ball cause they would stand around and take a break every few plays...in the corners... and let others beat you...when you took it out of their hands most of the play their teams struggled.....if lebron kobe or wade only have 6-8 seconds on the shot clock to work with its much easier to guard them then if they have 16-18 seconds....mj would move early so he would still have 12 seconds left by the time he got the ball back and he would kill you because even if he isnt gonna shoot he liked to be part of most plays and touch the ball just in case the defense made a mistake and he could get an easy 2 real quick off of a mistake......through effort....mj played with max effort....i think thats why people dont like lebron...well besides kobetards/laker fags.... he doesnt seem to give 100% all game long.... d wade to me gives the closest amount of effort that mj gave....9 out of 10 times wades going 100%...he too will get lazy but so did mj every few minutes....

@devvv4616

8 жыл бұрын

yeah its alot more tiring to work offball than just stand around and wait for the ball. i think for them its less effort to score on a defender than to constantly move without the ball

@nikeprince3730

6 жыл бұрын

Kobe

@shaft9000

5 жыл бұрын

Nick says Bryant 'makes his teammates stand around' - which is patently silly. He doesn't have some kind of remote control for his team mates; they move their own butts. And then redefines Bryant spotting up for a kick-out - when Gasol is double-teamed in the post - as 'doing nothing'. And then the biggest whopper: "Jordan commanded very little special treatment from the offense". This is just..... lol.

@mr.z6252

4 жыл бұрын

@@shaft9000 If he moves away from the Ball (Move away from gasol) Gasol won't get double teamed by Kobe Defender

Now we need a video explaining why jupiter is bigger than earth.

@cyber6sapien

7 жыл бұрын

LOL! Good one. i see what you did there.

@jordan7985

4 жыл бұрын

FMFvideos forgive me for being 3 years late but 💀💀💀💀

@turtleislandlac1490

3 жыл бұрын

Believe it or not Jordan being better than Kobe is not obvious to all fans. They buy into the media hype that Kobe was on Jordan's level.

Jordan was efficient in his movements alone. no wasted energy no wasted moves. and he moves fluently gracefully and powerfully. such a treat watching him play.

I've seen Kobe and MJ play in their primes and in their older years. It's quite obvious that MJ was a more intelligent ball player, which is why he was so efficient and why there were games where it was almost as if he wasn't being guarded. The way he got open was a thing of beauty. He didn't have to run around like Reggie Miller to get open. His usage of screens was incredible. It also helped that he was just stronger and more crafty in the post.

Kobe played his entire career the way Jordan played in the 80s, he was just fortunate enough to have guys like Shaq and Gasol instead of Woolridge and Green. 90s Jordan was considerably better than Kobe at any point.

@lainiwakura4678

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The difference is when Jordan played that way he truly had no help. Kobe can only make that claim between when Shaq left and Gasol arrived.

@gamberiniluca8830

5 жыл бұрын

@@lainiwakura4678 did you see his playoffs performance?

@kostasterg243

4 жыл бұрын

That is so ridiculous to say. Teenaged Kobe hit MJ with moves only MJ was capable of doing up until that point. Prime, 81 point Kobe was a much more refined Jordan. Adding range and ball handling which made even more aggressive no matter where he was on the floor. These videos are ridiculous and totally miss the fact zone isnt played on MJ. That totally changed peoples rhythm as far as what moves to use in isolation. Not to mention MJ is up against smaller, not quick enough players. Its night and day from the league Kobe played in most of his career. These videos make me cringe.

@bna919

4 жыл бұрын

Kobe more refined than Jordan? You're lying. Only thing kobe had against jordan in their prime were handles and 3pt shooting. You also did not account for hand checking in Jordan's prime.

@str8duval

4 жыл бұрын

@@kostasterg243 81 point Komi is the Exact same as Shaq Kobe and Gasol Kobe just taking more shots

MJ reads the whole game, Kobe just reads what's in front of him

@aracelisliriano9122

7 жыл бұрын

hk brightshadow best way to put it

@darcybarchue3987

4 жыл бұрын

Bs

@timmaz24s

4 жыл бұрын

hk brightshadow true. Great point

@marklee1194

3 жыл бұрын

Both players read the whole game, but MJ does so a lot more consistently.

@subairali8075

3 жыл бұрын

His detail series shown you are wrong

Regular Season (Career): Michael Jordan: 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.3 spg, 0.8 bpg, 49.7 FG%, 83.5 FT%, 32.7 3PT% Kobe Bryant: 25.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 45.4 FG%, 83.8 FT%, 33.5 3PT% (not including 2014-15) Playoffs (Career): Michael Jordan: 33.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.7 apg, 2.1 spg, 0.8 bpg, 48.7 FG%, 82.8 FT%, 33.2 3PT% Kobe Bryant: 25.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.2 bpg, 44.8 FG%, 81.6 FT%, 33.1 3PT% Player Efficiency Rating (Career): Michael Jordan: 27.91 Kobe Bryant: 23.54 NCAA Championships: Michael Jordan: 1 (1982) Kobe Bryant: 0 Olympic Gold Medals: Michael Jordan: 2 (1984, 1992) Kobe Bryant: 2 (2008, 2012) NBA Championships: Michael Jordan 6 (1991-93, 1996-98) Kobe Bryant: 5 (2000-02, 2009-10) NBA Finals Record: Michael Jordan 6 - 0 Kobe Bryant: 5 - 2 MVPs: Michael Jordan: 5 (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998) Kobe Bryant: 1 (2008) Finals MVPs: Michael Jordan: 6 (1991-93, 1996-98) Kobe Bryant: 2 (2009-10) NBA All-Star Selections: Michael Jordan: 14 out of 15 seasons in the NBA Kobe Bryant: 16 out of 18 seasons in the NBA (not including 2014-15) All-NBA First Teams: Michael Jordan: 10 out of 15 seasons in the NBA Kobe Bryant: 11 out of 18 seasons in the NBA (not including 2014-15) NBA All-Defensive First Teams: Michael Jordan: 9 out of 15 seasons in the NBA Kobe Bryant: 9 out of 18 seasons in the NBA (not including 2014-15) NBA Scoring Titles: Michael Jordan: 10 (1987-93, 1996-1998) Kobe Bryant: 2 (2006-07) NBA Defensive Player of the Year Awards: Michael Jordan: 1 (1988) Kobe Bryant: 0 NBA Steals Champion: Michael Jordan 3 (1988, 1990, 1993) Kobe Bryant: 0 NBA Slam Dunk Champion: Michael Jordan: 2 (1987-88) Kobe Bryant: 1 (1997)

@EliW95

9 жыл бұрын

Yep, its without a doubt. Jordan was better than kobe

@boomersurf

9 жыл бұрын

Eli W Those stats are fair but its important to note the different careers of MJ and KB. Kobes averages would be on a similar level if not for his rookie years 17/18/19/20. MJ came in after college. He also retired and came back to a incredible bulls team. He also had scottie pippen. If you talk to MJ about kobe he states that he is just as good but they played in different eras. IMO Jordan was a better player, but kobe is very close. You have to give it to MJ because of 6 rings and his incredible defensive ability.

@lieutenantgruber8706

9 жыл бұрын

boomersurf you can't have your cake and eat it. People like you like to gloat about how Kobe won his 1st ring before MJ and had a better J early in his career than MJ. When you do this you like to leave out the fact that by 26 Kobe had been in the league for a long enough time to develop NBA habits. But when it comes to how crappy Kobe is playing now and how his career average sucks compared to MJ's you all of a sudden want to raise the Kobe coming out of highschool thing. Can't have em both ways. Sorry. Either way, even before MJ was winning titles the bulls were going far into the playoffs and MJ was making his teammates better. Face it, Kobe just never got to MJ's level of play and leadership. And it's nothing to be ashamed of. Kobe is still a great player.

@CaIIOfTheWild

9 жыл бұрын

Jac Bauer Comparing when Kobe won his first ring to when MJ did it is silly. Comparing Kobe's career counting stats averages to Jordan's is also silly, because Kobe played way less minutes as a teenager his first few years in the league. Comparing their primes is more accurate. Jordan was still the better player, but not because he averaged 30ppg for his career and Kobe has averaged 25.

@lieutenantgruber8706

9 жыл бұрын

CaIIOfTheWild blah blah blah. In the real world we don't play the "what if" game. Tell ya what I wanna compare myself to MJ too. And don't mention crap like I never played in the league. Because frankly if I did my numbers would've been similar to MJs. See how silly that sounds. Same applies to Kobe. It is what it is. Kobe played less minutes in his 1st year. But that's the reality. Shit MJ missed his entire 2nd yr almost. No one gets out a calculator and starts counting shit to the umpteen degree. Take it for what it is. MJ outclasses him all over the place.

Not saying who is better here, but this video has a slight bias. Such small sample sizes are very inaccurate. MJ took his fair share of difficult shots as well, unlike you show. He didn't always get straight down to it and take excellent shots. Just like Kobe doesn't take all bad shots or clog up the offense like you show. He has his fair share of catching and shooting as well as passing it to the post and moving. I think targeting specifically bad moments for Kobe and specifically good moments for MJ was pretty unfair, because we easily could switch the script here and show the other end of the spectrum for both guys.

@cjjohnson8887

10 жыл бұрын

Ya you could but it wouldn't matter. All he's saying is that MJ does take good shots MORE than Kobe and Kobe takes bad shots MORE than MJ. Kobe freezes the offense MORE than MJ. MJ moves the ball MORE than Kobe. Simple as that really.

@AbidChoudhury

10 жыл бұрын

CJ Johnson Yea, but quite frankly, if that is what he's saying, then this is a poor way to do so. This is such a small sample size; you can't judge a trend with a few games.

@mwizachirambo9598

4 жыл бұрын

Someone with a bit of sense

LETS JUST ALL SAY MICHAEL WAS THE BETTER PLAYER

@bballbreakdown

9 жыл бұрын

#ImIn

@thepeacekeeper2338

9 жыл бұрын

MJ is the best. He's smarter and utilizes his set of talents most according to his strengths. For example, his quickness. Plus, Jordan was the first and Kobe was second.

@PsychoArchOps

9 жыл бұрын

Mamba Westbrook lol why delete comment?

@saiyomaru

8 жыл бұрын

+ThePeaceKeeper23 i think offensively its a draw, but in terms of pure defense, jordan has the edge , the glove, and he's a better play maker

@thepeacekeeper2338

8 жыл бұрын

wellfuckman draw offensively? Cmon mate. Kobe loses offensively to MJ in every catagory statistically except for 3pt. and his resume offensively is way worse as well. kobe has like 2x scoring titles where MJ has 10. MJ's PER is the highest of all time with 27.91 and Kobe's is not even close. He's No. 21 with 23.06 lol. MJ average 30.1 ppg shooting 50%, kobe has 25.2 shooting 44%. Kobe's best average was 35ppg in regular season, Mj's 37.1. Kobe's average playoff ppg is 25.6 44%, MJ 33.4 49%. LAst but not least, MJ's best playoff ppg average is 43.7 to Kobe's 32.8. If we count the ppg when it most matters, in the FINALS. MJ's best was 41ppg in the 1993 one. For Kobe its 32.4 ppg in the 2009 finals. Now that i've bombarded you with stats, lemme clarify which categories Kobe are better than MJ at offensively. MJ>KB scoring MJ>KB layups/dunks/under the rim shots. MJ>Kobe shooting consistency MJ>Kobe Accuracy KB>MJ three point shooting Mj>Kobe two point shooting MJ>Kobe Basketball IQ MJ>Kobe footwork MJ>Kobe Clutch shooting Mj>Kobe Shot selection

So basically our argument for why Jordan is better is that he was more willing to play in the team offense while Kobe was more interested in his isolation plays.

I've been a Lakers fan for 15 years, and I love Kobe as well. But I have to agree with you on this. I've watched enough Lakers basketball to notice what you've shown in this vid. Wish I knew this channel much earlier

@lucasanna4561

7 жыл бұрын

you are a REAL lakers fan

I don't like this video. How are you gonna compare 96 Jordan to 2011 KOBE, where Jordan of 96 was healthy with clicking teammates, 2011 KOBE had a bone on bone knee , missing practices missing 7 champion mates

@jordan7985

4 жыл бұрын

nabil chowdhury North Carolina Jordan or Prime Kobe tho?🤔🤔🤔

@str8duval

4 жыл бұрын

Those excuses you mention have nothing to do with the way Kobe approaches the game and shot selection on a daily basis.

@TheSands83

4 жыл бұрын

Uh they were the same age

@simonguillen7070

4 жыл бұрын

@@jordan7985 North Carolina Jordan who beat the hell out of the NBA all star team where Bobby Knight calls him the greatest athlete he has ever seen is probably better than Kobe in his prime. Go compare Jordan's rookie numbers vs Kobe's MVP season.

@JKTProductionzIncNCo

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSands83 Actually Jordan was 1 year older in 1996 (34) to Kobe in 2011 (33).

Kobe tried to be like Jordan while Jordan just wanted to win. I'm not so sure Kobe valued winning over trying to be the top scorer. In Kobe's final game, he scored 60 points. Jordan never had this attitude unless he had a beef to prove to some other player or coach. Kobe was about himself.

Pretty obvious who's team was better though lol. I do agree that Kobe could do more, but he's merely adopted the mindset of a leader, he wasn't born one. He really believes that as a grown man and a professional basketball player, that you should be ultra aggressive on your own without his help. What he may not see is the impact his ball handling has on their confidence to adjust to what he does. Key here is MJ trusted his team, Kobe tries, but it's a work in progress lol.

@bballbreakdown

10 жыл бұрын

Well put!

maybe the question and answer is the same. who won a scoring title. and how many? who can score many points and still contribute to your team mates. It's not about scoring 81 points for a single game. it's about how you play every single game. enough said.

as a Knick fan watching MJ was brutal. He made that offense unstoppable, I remember the season they won 72 games, and it was like nobody could stop him. There's no1 more efficient in the post season when the Bulls were cooking with MJ.

Didference between Jordan and Kobe... Jordan was surgical and LISTENED. Kobe has a knack for making everything difficult doing it his way.. Since Kobe had a better Handle he was always itching to use it.. This is what happen when you skip college... Not saying Kobe is trash... In no fucking way.. But Dean Smith taught Michael how play the correct way.

@linhe6729

8 жыл бұрын

Completely agree

In 25 years from now, the argument will have moved on to "Why Michael Jordan Was Better Than ". And every time, the answer will be the same. MJ was a singularity in spacetime and there will never ever be anyone near him.

@joshwhittle499

5 жыл бұрын

Yannis Kingdom I beg to differ

@badseed86

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan is probably the best in history of all sports, let alone NBA

@alansabin7487

3 жыл бұрын

bird was the better all around and making his team better for the get go. I Q of the charts

@weneedhim526

2 жыл бұрын

with the direction basketball is heading to right now, I don't see it

Kobe doesn't know how to move w/o the ball. . .and if he does, he doesn't trust his teammates enough to give them enough room to operate. . .

@Soso-rf9ns

10 жыл бұрын

kobe is better crosser than jordan what are you teeling ? kobi has 5990 asists jordan 5330 this is true kobe is better than jordan he has 31 700 points in 35 age jordan has 32 000 in entire carrer why jordan is N1

@purplehazebxl

10 жыл бұрын

Soso Seriously, is it so hard for you to understand the simple principle of the arithmetic mean ? Kobe has played 1465 games in his carreer so far, Jordan only 1251. The AVERAGE of points and assists per game by Jordan is better than Kobe's average.

@Rockafella218

10 жыл бұрын

Soso Throwing out stats like that doesn't help, either.

Hate how coach nick just points out all of kobe's negatives, making him look like shit

@ttu0mas96

10 жыл бұрын

Yea but in coach´s point of view Kobe is that way. As a coach, you want your players to stay within the team consept, something which Kobe is not consistantly doing. In comparison to MJ, Jordan rarely went away from he´s teammates like Kobe does and thats why for a coach, Michael´s style of play is much more appealing.

@Bankai2169

10 жыл бұрын

T_tu0mass- Well said!

@sams2021_3

10 жыл бұрын

The way Kobe plays are flashier than MJ (thus creating many fans saying he's the best because he made an improbable shot). MJ's plays are efficient with right amount of footwork, movements.

@silence3916

4 ай бұрын

No MJ was much more economical after the 87-89 Detroit "Jordan Rules" Era series...MJ took less acrobatic shoots....Saved his energy...At shoot more from the post....Much more efficient....Kobe through out his career continued to take acrobatic iso shoots...To the detriment to his team a lot of the time....

u said that dallas would love to have kobe take a fadeaway but jordan did the samw thig and u said it was good basketball

@SDSOverfiend

8 жыл бұрын

+MrMike25896 school em...

@sparkymike83

8 жыл бұрын

the difference with kobe's fadeaway was that it was a forced & difficult shot... MJ's fadeaway away smooth, effortless and was within rhythm.... Kobe tried too hard to be like MJ, while MJ allowed the game to come to him and hi picked his shots.

@TheSands83

4 жыл бұрын

Damn dude u clearly can’t understand what u are watching

The way MJ contributes on court is so diverse. He can blend into a team offense perfectly and also be creative at the same time. He is that natural, an artist. Kobe is a great 1-on-1 player. He’s determined, but sometimes miss the big picture.

MJ was always the best at bball

@cactusgreen2175

8 жыл бұрын

Sike

@zendo09

8 жыл бұрын

The good thing about mike is not only scoring he hustle and screen for his team mates .. And when the game is on the line i take mj coz he has the highest iq bball

@theprodigy7002

7 жыл бұрын

+Angel Vega L

@moisepicard3417

6 жыл бұрын

Asian FACTS

@moisepicard3417

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel's Daddy WHAT DO YOU MEAN SIKE?!!!!!!!!!!

Kobe compares to MJs : Too much isolation on offense and less off-ball positioning.

2:06 - A bad shot for Kobe 2:16 - A good shot for Michael Ridiculous.. Michael's shot is much harder..

@sgvmvp

6 жыл бұрын

Kobe dribbled the ball too much in that play. Made the play much tougher. Jordan raised and hit instantly making the shot way more fluid.

@aw2496

6 жыл бұрын

Nick is bias

@BaXiStA

5 жыл бұрын

@@aw2496 LOL, kobe had 2 hands on his shot at 2:06 and you call that an easier shot.

@xaverian1433

5 жыл бұрын

His was at the foul line so it was easier.

@TheSands83

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you understand basketball bud

This is the best analysis of the the Jordan/ Bryant debate. Great job coach

Although Jordan clearly is better, this video is definitely biased.

@moisepicard3417

6 жыл бұрын

Ham Foodstamp SO HOW IS IT BIASED WHEN YOU JUST SAID JORDAN IS BETTER.

@jackstirling808

6 жыл бұрын

Moise Picard because hes saying coach Nick wasn't comparing them fairly

@makehumanitygreatagain8128

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. It is biased towards the truth. Now, your bias? I'll let you display some self-awareness and get to the bottom of it, yourself.

@shaft9000

5 жыл бұрын

^ there is no such thing as 'truth bias'. true is true whether you want it to be or not. that's WHY anything is ever true to begin with, and not just a product of selective wishful thinking (such as this video).

@badsandwich2534

5 жыл бұрын

shaft9000 Shakespeare over here 😂

I think a big difference is background...Jordan spent 3 years with Dean Smith, he was introduced to basketball in a way Kobe wasn't. I think that played a major role in styles

One thing i dont think people talk about enough is the fact that mj went to college as apposed to kobe. In college you learn the fundamentals, you learn how to trust your teammates and utilize the offense to the best of your ability. More importantly you learn how to become a leader. Which is what made mj so lethal. Kobe's maturation process took longer and i think that is one of the reasons why

Hey Coach maybe do a full breakdown of the little things cutting, footwork and decision making Michael Jordan did which made him so good.

I said it long ago and I'll say it again. The major difference between MJ and Kobe is shot selection. Jordan's smarts are shown through his shot selection and that made him more lethal and efficient than Kobe, who's shot selection (countless times) is highly questionable. They both took difficult shots and made them, but in MJ's case it was a last resort situation, whereas Kobe constantly makes his shots more difficult than they should be and, as a result, misses badly on many occasions.

4:45 "Nice easy jumpshot in the lane" my ass. The degree level of difficulty on this shot is 11.

Phil Jackson himself settled this debate in his book 'Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success". To paraphrase Phil, MJ was a better defender, better leader/teammate, more efficient player, and "let the game come to him instead of forcing the issue". Phil has always been diplomatic about it in TV interview but he didn't hold back in that book. Idk why this is still a debate when the guy who coached both players settled it. Phil has also said in an interview that Michael knew how to play in a system cuz he learned it at UNC under Dean Smith.

Kobe fans say Kobe is better. Everyone else, such as Phil Jackson, Gary Payton, Coach Nick, etc., say Jordan is. Yeah, let's listen to Kobe fans.

@juancruz2743

9 жыл бұрын

mrmacross and how many Jordan fans are there?

@andrewtait8350

9 жыл бұрын

mrmacross Hahahahahaa and MJ's team mates say kobes better.... oh and MJ himself

@thepeacekeeper2338

9 жыл бұрын

andrew tait MJ didn't say Kobe's better, stop making things up. His teamates didn't either...

@sohaminyoh

8 жыл бұрын

+andrew tait That's not true

@thepeacekeeper2338

8 жыл бұрын

andrew tait Did Ron artest say Kobe's better, lIf i recall correctly, he didn't

why is bryant's fadeway "incredible tough shot" and jordan's fadeway "nice turnaround jumper"....its clear someone jumped to a conclusion before truly analyzing these two player.

@ShroudTheSky

9 жыл бұрын

Because Kobe waits till the defender is in his grill to take the shot, where Jordan was fed the ball off a screen and would immediately take it. At least in this vid.

@lieutenantgruber8706

9 жыл бұрын

It's called creating space before you take the fadaway. MJ once even tutored Kobe on how to do so - by using your hip. I guess Kobe forgot somewhere along the way.

@beraken

9 жыл бұрын

Vincent Jiang Because Jordan has better physical condition, this is not my personal opinion, Phil Jackson stated this in a talkshow, he made the fadeaway easier, in many cases, the defender will have their hands just on kobe's face but few people can do the same thing on Jordan.

@ThePrufessa

9 жыл бұрын

Because Jordan didn't dribble once while Kobe dribbled 8x before the shot.

@nikeprince3730

6 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when your goin against tougher defenders than MJ

It should be mentioned that before the Bulls ran the Triangle, Jordan would take the ball himself a lot more. The differences between Jordan and Kobe then were 1. he still passed off more off the drive and 2. his hands were so big that he could finish better at the rim. You don't see a young Jordan settling for as many off-balance outside jumpers, and when he did, he was still more fluid with them than Kobe, if not quite as polished.

@bballbreakdown Coach, how much do you think zone or semi-zone defenses had an effect with how the triangle was played? Obviously, illegal defenses were a bit different from MJ to Kobe's time.

MJ 30 ppg. 50% FG, lockdown defense. 6 Finals MVPs, 5 regular season MVPs. undefeated in the NBA Finals. Played only 15 seasons (only 13 legit ones with the Bulls). 32,000 career points. Don't forget the fact that Jordan retired for 2 years during his prime. Kobe 25ppg. 45%FG, not exactly a lockdown defender, only 2 finals MVPS, 1 regular season mvp. Lost twice in the Finals already. Already entering his 18th season next year and still hasn't caught up to M.J.'s 32,000. There's no contest. Only Kobe fanboys who hasnt hit puberty yet who hasn't seen MJ play would think otherwise.

@cyber6sapien

10 жыл бұрын

Jordan only played 11 legit seasons with the Bulls. He missed most of his sophomore season due to injury, all of 93-94, and most of 94-95 due to early retirement.

@cinnabar546

9 жыл бұрын

He leads NBA historyin shots missed.

@eyenar

9 жыл бұрын

Leads the league in missed shots but is also 50% from the field. Makes him an incredibly efficient volume shooter!

@doubleo2536

9 жыл бұрын

Eyenar 50% from the field? I'm sure your referring Kobe cause you said "leads the league in missed shots". FYI, Kobe only had 45% career FG and never averaged more than 47% FG in a single season

@cinnabar546

9 жыл бұрын

Eyenar buddy he never shot above 46% in his career. It's even lower in the playoffs.

Coach you're being biased in this vid, because kobe shot a fadeaway from the pinch post and you call it a tough shot, but when MJ shoots it it's a "nice turnaround jumper" c'mon coach do better.

People say Kobe wasn't born a leader, but he wasn't allowed to be a leader until Shaq left and besides after he left Kobe's teammates got shittier every year until Pau and others came along, but Michael was leader of the Bulls the moment they drafted him and as time went by he got great teammates to play alongside making him look like the greatest leader ever by being the captain of already great players.

@cjjohnson8887

10 жыл бұрын

He was a leader at UNC too. Plus, his team was worse than Kobe's for a VERY long time. His first 3-4 years in the league= 1st round exits from the playoffs. Scottie comes= second round exits for a while then finally some championships. Dennis comes= rings start flowing. Kobe basically had a bad team for like 3 years and that's it.

Michael Jeffery Jordan 6x NBA Champion 6x Finals MVP 5x League MVP 10x scoring leader 4x led the NBA in steals 1985 Rookie of the year 1988 Defensive player of the year (200+ blocks & 200+ steals in the 87/88 season) 10x All-Defensive team selection 63 points in a playoff game (Single game Record) And he did it, in a big man era, without a dominant big man on his team This is what makes him the greatest player in NBA history No disrespect to those who came before him, against him & after him but Jordan’s the goat 🐐🏀

I love when Jordan takes command and utilized the team to create more pts making good strategies, he's smart and tactical even though his aggressive and competitive he never loose his cool and focus when deciding a good defense or offense Kobe is a great player but not effective in commanding thats why Phil always backed him up to remind you have teammates, sometimes kobe gets carried away result in mild injuries but his trying his doing his best for the team his also a great player but not as balanced as MJ, so for me Jordan is the goat!

Kobe is basically a not as good version of MJ but Jordan was a lockdown defender, better at getting to the rim and more efficient. not to mention he made his teammates better. plus 6 > 5

Anyone who watched both play knows this is not biased its just how they played

Another thing, theres a comment criticizing coach for showing mike hitting his shots and showing kobe missing shots. Thing is, its not about who made more, its about the shot selection and flow of offense. Maybe kobe would have made more had he took LESS difficult shots. No excuses, it is what is.

Kobe was just as good as MJ as an individual player. MJ was a better athlete. Kobe had to rely on skill a bit more. But as a team player MJ was clearly better. He knew how to get better looks. That's why MJ was better.

@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET

4 жыл бұрын

Never seen someone break it down aswell as you

@nideeshreddy8368

4 жыл бұрын

@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET thanks

@nideeshreddy8368

4 жыл бұрын

​@Gr8 1 Kobe was one of the best defenders in the league before his Achilles. He was a more skilled shooter and had a bit better handles. He wasn't as efficient as MJ cause he wasn't the team player MJ was, so he didn' get the good looks MJ got.

@nideeshreddy8368

4 жыл бұрын

@Gr8 1 He wasn't as good of a defender but he was great. He made a lot of Nba 1st team defenses and was one of the best defenders in the. Again he wasn't as good of a team player so he had

@jaranarm

4 жыл бұрын

I agree MJ was more athletic and Kobe had to be more crafty, but I thought they were almost the same in terms of being team players. What is ignored, especially in this video, was just how much better MJ's teammates were at rotating and creating space and drawing defenders away.

Did this video prove how superior Jordan was, or how great the Luc Longley Express was? Like seriously, a lot of Longley plays here lol.

@mr.z6252

4 жыл бұрын

Its because most of Pau Gasol play in the Final was mainly one on one without Kobe in it

I know this is a small sample, but jesus MJ (and the bulls) movement makes the Lakers movement on offense look like a standstill. So much fluidity with the bulls.

Thanks. Kobe fans just missed the point when they complain I used a "bad" game by him...

Kobe was less selfish before the media started to get in his head and he started to become obsessed with his personal legacy.

Compare FG%, too.

what community college volleyball team do u coach?

In his prime, to ave 37 points, 8 reb, 8 assists in a lot tougher physical defence and have 2 3peats undefeated in finals is phenomenal. Today that would be 40+,10+,10+

MJ will ALWAYS be way better than Kobe.

Nice video, but I think that it's bias against Kobe. Yes, MJ is the best... no contest. But, why are all the clips of MJ showing shots he made and clips of Kobe showing shots he missed? I learned about their styles from the analysis, but it seemed like the video was preaching that Kobe doesn't play like MJ. I think they played basketball according to their style. If you win, then it's cool...

@Shermstyle23

10 жыл бұрын

Its not jsut about the shots made or missed tho. It is about the flow of the game. Kobe gets the ball & isolations a lot. When he passes it, he is stagnant. When Kobe gets the ball, he takes more difficult shots & uses mroe energy to get a shot off. MJ will pass the ball and move to make the defense move. That helps move the defense around making them scramble about which tires the defense more, can get more foul calls & makes defenses wonder where the ball is going at all times. MJ also uses less energy to make a shot. Kobe can make difficult shots, but MJ was just a smarter & more of a team player & was also mroe efficient. Mj also had high stats vs playoff teams & didnt have his ego take away from his game. When MJ needed to make a smart play, he did. When Kobe needs to make a smart play, he usually took an ill advised shot that wasnt in the flow of the TEAM's offense. Lakers have 2 offenses they run, Kobe with the ball or other Lakers passing the ball/setting screens/backcuts and Kobe standing around.

@MrTcavanaugh1

6 жыл бұрын

+voluntarymusic I agree with that. I think the video makes a good point overall but I think it's funny how no footage was shown of the games where kobe was beating teams in the finals. Plenty of footage was shown of one of Michael's NBA Finals where he beat the Sonics, so why not add in some footage of Kobe beating the Magic or the Celtics in the Finals? It comes across as biased if the majority of the footage that is shown for Kobe is him losing to the Mavericks in 2011. Just sayin'

@mr.z6252

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrTcavanaugh1 It would still the same Kobe would dribble off the court and pull up from midrange

Jordan is just smarter and make it easier to him self 👍🏾

This explains why MJ has a higher FG%, learned to play under Dean Smith, and also lead to smarter rebounds and steals.

this video is a prime example of conformation bias. both were ball hogs. and both made tough shots with great athleticism and defense. hes only showing one game.

@LovingTinha

9 жыл бұрын

Graison Barthelus wrong, kobe was a ball hog, people turned to Jordan when the Team needed him most, his role was to be the key component of the team and come up big in clutch situations but work within the team system. Kobe basically like most modern superstars just runs the team for his own ego satisfaction and makes no effort to improve his team mates. It hurts your team chemistry when you don't get your team mates involved regularly, he wants all the glory for himself where as Jordan was actually very selfless and simply wanted to win as a team and use his skills to drive that. Kobe is a great player but unfortunately he has this stain on his reputation as a player who simply never figured out how to be more efficient and get the most out of his game in the team system. That is simply the difference between a Master of the game and a copycat wannabee...

@thebinarygeekfx3117

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan actually did move without the ball a lot better. I loved watching Kobe pay because of some of the ridiculous shots he made. With that been said Jordan was just more efficient.

Here's the thing. Kobe's whole not passing thing... it's old news. The news is so old that at this point, it would be on the coach to have made kobe pass once in a while and dictate a little off ball movement. Everybody knows Kobe has sticky fingers. Somehow, the coach still lets him do what he does though. As a coach, you are out to win games. If the coach has not taken Kobe out for fucking up the team rhythm, that's on the coach. Here's the real question. Why does the coaching on the Lakers allow him to do this? The coach's only goal is to win at all costs. Why would they allow Kobe to do this and not get him to change his game? As I see it, there's 2 answers here. 1. Kobe's team isn't worth passing to. or... 2. Kobe is fucking everything up, BUT Kobe's celebrity worth is worth the price of admission. If Kobe don't want to listen, the coaching staff will just have to ignore it because Kobe can do as he pleases. I think the truth is right between these two answers. If Kobe had a team worth passing to, perhaps his coaches would demand more ball movement. If he had a team worth passing to, he might also be more willing to cooperate in that way. It worked with Shaq. Keep this in mind. Kobe has done fine with All-Star teams.

@LilCAm3211

10 жыл бұрын

To me it's not his team mates. He's just hard to coach. Phil Jackson said it in his book about how tough it was to get Kobe to listen. If Kobe passed more his team would probably done a little better. I hate to bring LeBron into this, but look at what he did in Cleveland. His teammates where trash for the most part, but led them to 60+ win seasons, and one finals appearance by playing unselfishly.

@bigstudwithaguitar

10 жыл бұрын

LilCAm3211 Well... you can't argue with 1. Kobe's rings 2. Kobe's All-Star performances Maybe for Kobe, being a ball-hog IS optimum.

@LilCAm3211

10 жыл бұрын

bigstudwithaguitar Oh yeah. I can't argue how successful he is. I just believe his team would do better if he passed the ball a little more. He doesn't have another dominant scorer with him like he used to with Gasol and Shaq, therefore they need to move the ball. Less talented teams need more ball movement. Ex: Mavs vs Heat in 2011. The Mavs didn't have the most talented roster or the most talented player, but they moved the ball around a lot instead of depending solely on Dirk, which created opportunities to score. If the Mavs only depended on Dirk then they would have lost really quickly, because all the Heat have to do is Double him or play tight D, and then no one else would score. Hell ask D Rose. He didn't have another dominant scorer to lean on, so trying to do it all himself wasn't going to work. The only way to win was with ball movement.

@bigstudwithaguitar

10 жыл бұрын

LilCAm3211 U a Mavs fan? Cuz I am. Dirk's my boy!

@jeebs9

10 жыл бұрын

This something that will puzzle me for the rest of my life. I think Kobe would of done much better in his career if he only listened. Just watching this video pisses me off. I think a lot of people should read Phil book. It opens up the mind set of Kobe.

why are people disliking this? Even if you don't agree, you still need a way to account for why Kobe scores less than MJ, and is less efficient in an era where defenses are softer and more favorable to scoring wing players and slashers.

You dont have to look at how both played, just analyzing stats and advance stats. MJ had an commanding lead in those. It's not even close. Kobe was about 60%-70% MJ in terms of on court impact.

Come in guys! Even Phil Jackson, the lucky guy who had the opportunity to coach both of them, said that MJ was the better player. And if he doesn't have any insight than who does? MJ goat! Kobe one of the best!

@bargainbuyer007

8 жыл бұрын

+Quizmaster81 Bill Russel GOAT

@tsrig1027

8 жыл бұрын

+John Doe You can't even spell his name right.............

@drealness7172

6 жыл бұрын

John Doe Nah Bill Russell best winner meaning being in best team Bill Russell not where close to being best player ever

This video is dumb as hell. He's acting like Jordan never shot bad shots and made the right basketball play 100% of the time, he's nitpicking.

@devon6229

9 жыл бұрын

Rick Steck You cant say that without watching every single play of both of their careers.

@devon6229

9 жыл бұрын

Rick Steck Kobe always does those things.

@shappy2chappy28

9 жыл бұрын

well jordan is considered the best basketball player of all time, but i agree with u, nobody is perfect all the time.

@Kahwuwiqhfhkgehi29260

9 жыл бұрын

Rick Steck I'll go with what Phil Jackson said as well. From what I saw, we have the same perspective and agree that MJ was better. MJ also forced a lot of stuff back in his younger days too like Kobe. Just seems that Kobe did not change the same way to let the game come to him. Great talent Kobe is....just no MJ equivelant.

@lieutenantgruber8706

9 жыл бұрын

I disagree.

MJ made the game so easy after he beat the bad boy pistons. People don't look at those little things from Jordan. Thank you for pointing those things out

Had Kobe played with another perimeter player with the offensive prowess and defensive tenacity/dominance of Scottie Pippen he'd avg more career points as well as on a higher percentage. People forget how much of an advantage having Scottie was...

Great video, but without even having to go into the advance analysis, just look at their achievements. MJ was the best scorer ever, highest career average, 10 scoring titles, if it weren't for his 2 retirements he would easily have been the all time leading scorer, and perhaps ended up with 2 additional rings. While Kobe was a great defender, MJ was even better, and is one of the 2 guards ever to win DPOY. MJ was also more efficient, with a career fg% of 50, while Kobe was less efficient of a player overall. 5 mvps, 6 finals mvps, was unquestionably the best player that took the floor at any given time. Respect to Kobe and his great career, but while is he very similar to MJ in style, MJ was simply better in practically all categories (except 3 pt shooting, which he didn't even need to score so many points). MJ is G.O.A.T and any who says any differently is a bit out of their minds.

This video shows you that Jordan was clearly the better team player. That alone deserves recognition. Some people are just saying how bias Coach Nick is but if you really listen to what he is saying, Kobe goes out of his way to isolate and take way too many tough shots. This explains why Jordan shot a much more efficient percentage in his career than Kobe did.

Great video, but taking into the context the demands put upon them and their development as players through their respective career trajectories might give this more perspective. MJ: started his career on teams where he had few reliable scorers as teammates, the offense was often dependent on his shooting a high volume. MJ later learned to trust his teammates within the triangle system in order to overcome defensive systems designed to stop him. Kobe: started his career on teams which were balanced and did not require high shooting volume from him. He was able to play within the offense and at times take over games when needed. Later in Kobe's career, he did not have the same caliber of reliable playmakers around and the offense was more dependent on his scoring. He did not have to learn to be a facilitator early on in his development as a player, though his ability to set up the offense is highly underrated in his skillset.

@linhe6729

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly what happened in my opinion

@VoidSurfer9

8 жыл бұрын

***** you left out "all on his way to becoming the third highest scorer in league history." Somebody tell this bum Kobe Bryant to stop taking so many shots!

@VoidSurfer9

8 жыл бұрын

***** look, I agree, the man scored 81 points because he thought it was all about him! He scored 40+ in 10 straight games just to prove that he's didn't need the confines of a "real team offense". WTF are you rambling about, wacko?

Another thing. Everything developed so much quicker with Michael Jordan. His corner fade all happened with explosive movements, and/or with a lot of activity with threats from all sorts of angles. Kobe's took 20 seconds to set up. It was predictable, and it led to a lot of opp transition.

Comn nick, I had more respect for you than this. How can u decide to take terrible clips of kobe and direct opposite ones for mj and do the comparisons. .. anybody could flip the scenarios and do a direct opposite video in kobes favor. Kobe has one 5 rings ..you telling me he did that without knowing team dynamics, floor spacing etc?

@himmeh

9 жыл бұрын

Oh, Lord! Here we go!

@qwuor4599

9 жыл бұрын

What happened

@upyours537

9 жыл бұрын

you do have a point, jordans was taken in 1996, the prime of his career as far as fundamentals go, young mj took difficult shots and didnt use his teammates as much

@a5anda6

9 жыл бұрын

Kobe Bryant is the reason that Kobe Bryant doesn't have at least 7 rings. Watch him in the Finals in '04 and '08 (it isn't pretty).

I agree to an extent. However, I believe that some of these points were biased in the sense that footage was viewed as 'what is Michael doing right' and 'what is Kobe doing wrong'. To me it is a little like comparing too different things. I agree Kobe could get his teammates more involved early in the play, just that some things you said only looked bad because Kobe missed, and things Jordan did looked good because he didnt miss. :)

@madlibbed

10 жыл бұрын

Its not make or miss its good shot vs bad shot .

In fact, this was unbiased - this was showing how each of these players attacked out of the triangle. There isn't an agenda in analyzing how MJ and Kobe did this. It's always been clear that Michael let the ∆ work for him much more than Kobe ever did..

Check out the FG% of MJ’s teammates. 😤😤😤 MJ was a cheat code. Offensive juggernaut that moves around without the ball.

I agree Jordan was better overall but your arguments are are very biased. You're only pointing out Bryant's downfalls. If Kobe makes a shot you instantly say "he got the shot, but it wasn't a good decision as he's going to get tired" well yeah, you do get tired when you play basketball. If you don't you're obviously not trying hard enough. At the end of the day I agree Jordan was better overall, and yes Bryant can tend to be a bit of a ball hog but don't forget he averages something close to 5 assists a game, considering he isn't the main facilitator on the team, that's a pretty decent job of running the offence. If you're going to make these breakdown videos you need to stop being biased, just my opinion. Thanks if you read this and i do admire the way you make your videos.

@dprincemasters1771

6 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Scerri Kobe 14,481 most missed shots all time 😂😂 Kobe 2,485 most missed shots all time playoffs 😂😂 Kobe 44.7% FG worst all time top 15 scorers in NBA history 😂😂 Kobe led NBA in shot attempts 6 times only 2 Scoring Titles in 20 Seasons 😂😂 Kobe led NBA in missed shots 6 times only led NBA in Scoring 2 times Kobe led NBA in Missed shots more then he led NBA in scoring 😂😂 First Ring Kobe 15.6 PPG and 36.7% FG Carried by Shaq 38 PPG and 61% FG 😂😂 Shaq O'Neal 3 Finals Mvps best player on Lakers 3peat carried Kobe to 3 sidekick rings Goat Jordan 6 Finals Mvps best player on all 6 Rings Don't compare the way Kobe won his 5 rings to the way the Goat Jordan won his 6 rings Kobe worst Shot attempts to Assists ratio in NBA history Kobe most missed game winning shots and buzzer beaters Kobe 1st all time in missed shots all time Pippen 6 Rings > Kobe 5 Rings Even with 5 Rings yall hero Kobe not a top 5 all time player 2011 Playoffs Mavs 4-0 swept Kobe and stopped him from having 6th Ring LeBron better player then Kobe so we know that Kobe not close to the Goat Jordan level Kobe isn't even top 5 all time player Kobe ranks 8-10 all time player 😂😂

Jordan is the most efficent player

Kobe was Jordanesque during his time alongside Shaq. Lakers after 2004 were bad and Kobe had a short prime after that. He was forced into a habit of saving the Lakers in games by being nothing but a scorer. The clips you posted were none of his early days but of his days exiting his prime in which he was much slower due to injury and age. His best late season was in 2013 because he pushed himself to the max, and look where that brought him...

HELP me please! Where can i download Chicago Bulls finals from Jordan's era?

u don't need 6:49 to try and prove anything....the only fools who believe kobe is even close is them Kobetarts that defend all the crap he does....he never met a shot he didn't like....NEVER

This is really unfair on Kobe, you take bad plays on kobe and good plays on michael, i'm sure there are million sequences where kobe makes the right decision and michael is the one standing still.

@bballbreakdown

9 жыл бұрын

It's not about the result, it's about the process.

@willkrueger5484

8 жыл бұрын

+Joe Cole absolutely agree, he was very selective in plays. i am sure there are many plays where michael made a lot of poor choices too

@Mrzunigazonie

8 жыл бұрын

+Joe Cole selective or not, the fact that kobe "dribbles 11 (more than 3) times and iso himself while everyone else standing around and watching" happens a lot even to this day. And i'm a Lakers fan. because you cannot compare every game/situation, I think the coach selected and pointed out well based on what has been done consistently

@froiranaguilar447

8 жыл бұрын

+Joon Kang you don't even know where you live don't you trying to discuss something you don't know shit

@Mrzunigazonie

8 жыл бұрын

+froiran aguilar instead of reminding me that i don't know "shit" why don't you enlighten me and share the knowledge please? I can perhaps learn from an angry 3rd grader such as yourself.

Kobe just needs another star player on his team I think. Michael had Scottie, and I think that helped Michael a lot. When you have a shitty team, you usually don't want to pass it because you feel like they're not gonna do anything. But when you have at least one other person who shares the same work ethic as you, it becomes easier to have a flowing offense. That's why teams like the Heat are so good. If Kobe had another Shaq, he'd probably be a better player and team player.

Yes, people born in the 80s and 90s like their childhood hero as much as people born in the 60s and 70s liked their childhood hero

@sohaminyoh

8 жыл бұрын

+David Curry preach

@LargeJeffrey

8 жыл бұрын

+David Curry MJ isn't just a childhood hero bruh. If you wanna look at stats, look at stats. Jordan has 30.1 career ppg on 49% shooting. Kobe's got 25.3 on 45%. And that's just scoring. Jordan was better all across the board. I'm 16 so its not just me tryna remember my childhood and shit. MJ is just the greatest of all time

@gc3k

8 жыл бұрын

If you're 16, you've been told all your life that Jordan's just the best ever with no first hand point of reference. Magic and Kareem are right up there with Jordan in skill and dominance, Russell has almost twice the championships, Wilt is the most dominant athlete in NBA history, Jerry "the logo" West taught Jordan and Kobe how to be a shooting guard... but Jordan was endorsed by Nike, and he played in the media-friendly Eastern conference, so the media tells everyone he's the best ever

@LargeJeffrey

8 жыл бұрын

David Curry It's not just the media. Look at what MJ did. Look at what he did in games. Look at his playoff career. Nobody touches Jordan in dominance. His rookie year he scored 28 points a game. His third year he scored 37 a game. That was before the championships and before the media fell in love with him. He's been great since day one. I used to think LeBron was the goat. Then I thought it was Oscar Robertson. I'm not some brainwashed idiot.

In this video, Jordan looked more graceful and effortless when getting his shots and almost never appeared to be doing too much or exerting maximum effort to score for the Bulls whereas Kobe did for the Lakers. Kobe’s movements and offensive tendencies look forced and not really in tune with the Lakers’ offense. Phil Jackson highlighted this major difference between the two. Jordan almost never forced his offense especially when his shot was off whereas Kobe would keep shooting until his shot started falling which at times would be detrimental to the Lakers. Jordan made it a point to consistently stay within the flow of the Bulls’ offense whereas Kobe would seize an opportunity to break the flow of the Lakers’ offense to go 1-on-1 if and when the opportunity presented itself. To Kobe’s credit, he was almost a 100% mirror image of Jordan on the court due to his unbelievable talent and skill and inhuman work ethic, but there are a few things that prevented him from matching Jordan 100% and his tendency to force his offense by taking very difficult and highly inefficient shots was one of those things. I’m not hating on Kobe though. He was absolutely one of the greatest players in NBA history and rightfully deserves a place in the Hall of Fame posthumously. It still pains me to say these things as Kobe is no longer with us. Just as it was a privilege to have seen Jordan play, it was also a privilege to have seen Kobe play too. R.I.P. Black Mamba. Gone, but not forgotten.

This video seems pretty bias. I feel you need to point out the mistakes and positives in both players to make a more compelling argument for who's better overall.

Honestly, MJ's fadeaway at 39 was more athletic than Kobe's at 34. MJ just had better athleticism, body control, and Kobe had to make up for it. I love Kobe, but MJ's seemingly crazy shots were always in control. He was also significantly better at finishing around the rim. His first step was far surpassed anyone we've seen, and MJ was significantly quicker in general (Lebron's actually not far behind MJ in footspeed - there was a video accurately comparing the two in their starts and top acceleration on the court). That said, Kobe is a phenomenal talent... there's no denying that. Anyone who can emulate Jordan has to be incredible. But we know who was the greatest, and Kobe's stated it several times.

MJ Still the GOAT!!!

OK okokok wait wait wait. Why are people even trying to compare others to Jordan??? Lol give me a break. How is this even a topic.

Great analysis. glad to see you didn't just stack statistical evidence, nor did you post side to side videos to show who had better form on a fade away or reverse dunk. You dissected the the rhythm of the teams they played for, and Kobe's weaknesses showed. Great job, sir.

The reason why kobe was great was because of MJ's guidance and tips to improve

It's funny how this guy chose to dissect Kobe's worst playoff series of all time (2011 vs Mavs) and one of Jordan's best.... Just sayin

@mrmacross

9 жыл бұрын

John R Jordan's 1996 Finals was his worst Finals...

@spencerberg8809

9 жыл бұрын

Jordan didn't have a "worst" finals

@mrmacross

9 жыл бұрын

Spencer Berg If you do something multiple times, then unless you perform exactly the same each go around, one of them has to be the "worst" even if it's not particularly bad. I think 1996 was easily Jordan's worst (or "least good," if you prefer) performance, and I'd even go so far as to say he shouldn't have won MVP. I thought Rodman was more deserving, because his offensive rebounding in a couple of those games changed the balance of the series, and in fact he twice tied the record for most O-boards in a Finals game. The Bulls shot pretty poorly that series, they needed an edge on the offensive glass and turnovers to make up the difference in their lousy shooting. As for MJ, he shot pretty poorly in a few of the games, finishing the series at .416 FG%, and averaged a career-worst 27.3 PPG in the Finals. Had the Bulls finished the sweep in game 4, I think Jordan would've rightfully won the Finals MVP, but since it went six, Jordan's performance in the back end of the series diluted his early excellence and Rodman's game 6 was once again dominant. The only real knock against Rodman's play was that Shawn Kemp looked like a beast out there. If Karl Malone played in the Finals like Shawn Kemp did, then the Jazz would've won two NBA titles.

@daNXT81

9 жыл бұрын

Spencer Berg this is a stupid comment. He is commenting on the fact that Nick didn't chose to pick a Lakers series where they lost as opposed to a series they won. Its almost a moot point for him to post this video without showing both at their best or worst.

@kobenottop1003

9 жыл бұрын

John R The 1996 Finals was Jordan's worst Finals series, and he still shut down Gary Payton in Game 3 and 5 when Ron Harper was injured and only played 1 game Footage "Michael Jordan shuts down Gary Payton - 1996 Finals Game 3" "Michael Jordan locks down Gary Payton - 1996 Finals Game 5" Gary Payton outscored Kobe in career head2head matchups

sry but to me it also seems that defense got better over time.. it was never as tight as it is in those kobe clips. Correct me if im wrong :D

@chestewart1046

9 жыл бұрын

You are 100% right. Defenses over the years (mostly because of mj) improved immensely. Defense is much more of a priority now than it was in the late 80's early 90's

@mikemane7756

9 жыл бұрын

I was shocked to see the defense back then, that first pass from Jordan to Luc Longley I mean no pressure, no collapse in a finals game

@AZNboi10921

9 жыл бұрын

Che Stewart This was sarcasm right? LOL

saying 90's nba was weak is dumb especially when 2-3 teams a year for the past ten years get into the playoffs with a losing record. The 90's had stronger teams 1-5 than teams do now. League currently stacked with guards and sf's when in the 90's stacked with c, pf. It was much harder to draw fouls and score in the paint in the 90's. Most teams had guys or multiple guys average over 3 blocks a game. Ben wallace averaged 3+ blocks a game only 3 times in his career and by far was best defensive bigmen in current era.

@boomersurf

9 жыл бұрын

It wasn't highly competitive. larry and Magic retired and the pistons were gone. But MJ did beat 2 out 3 of those teams. The Bulls dominated after MJ came back and it wasn't close. With Pippin, MJ and rodman they killed it. Still 3 for 3 and then another 3 for 3 is amazing!!!

Good convo my man!

lets put it this way. people keep saying kobe and pau vs MJ and pippen. lets not look at MJ and kobe stat. lets look at pau gasol and pippen. from 2008 to 2010 (the year lakers appeared in nba final), pau average 18 point and 10 rebound per game per 37 minutes. pippen had around 19 point, 7 rebound and 2 steal in chicago six year final along with MJ, as well as around 37 minutes. this is not important, but look at the season that they play without kobe and MJ, pippen average drop dramatically (not include 1994, 1995) while pau number is nearly the same as his highest peak performance without kobe. that means pippen perform better when MJ is on the court. and Pau perform worse when kobe is on the court, MAY BE. clearly MJ is a better teammate to play with. when everyone was saying that kobe is a really hard teammate to play with, they have their points. Kobe is really great, almost the best, but he still not the god of basketball as MJ because he lacks of basketball IQ. MJ have basketball IQ and so he is the god. also, Kobe has a lot of moves that copy from MJ, from this point, you can see MJ is Kobe mentor. if MJ play the same amount of season as KOBE, MJ will DEFINITELY rank first in all-time nba scoring. So there is no doubt that MJ is better than Kobe.

@jayoldacre9276

9 жыл бұрын

I think it would be Kobe and Shaq tbh

@achuthasrinivasan3218

9 жыл бұрын

Antony_Pak Why don't you include 1994 and 1995 for Pippen? Those were his main years without MJ when he was still young and his averages increased.

@megavolt67

8 жыл бұрын

+Achutha Srinivasan Probably because Pau never got a chance to be the first option in the same way that Pippen was for those two seasons. Also, in the case of the 1994 Bulls team in particular, MJ never got to play with that roster. That roster added Kukoc and Kerr to Grant and Armstrong. Afterwards, Grant and Armstrong left. Basically, aside from losing MJ, that Bulls team actually got better from '93 to '94. It's an important detail that the folks who want to discredit MJ by saying "Pippen won 55 games without Jordan" tend to leave out.

@achuthasrinivasan3218

8 жыл бұрын

+megavolt67 Pau was a first option in Memphis and couldn't win a single playoff game until he joined Kobe, so what are you talking about when you say he never got to be a first option? No one is discrediting MJ, but it is annoying when MJ fans say he was a one man army when he had really good teammates.

@megavolt67

8 жыл бұрын

Achutha Srinivasan He was talking about how they impacted each other on those Laker teams (with and without each other). Come on, man. You had to know that was the point of his comparison. Kobe and Pau never played together in Memphis.

old man here is definitely biased because jordan is from his time haha why bother showing video of kobe missing all of his shots i am sure in that game kobe made some shots

@sopa71479

10 жыл бұрын

he has, but FYI kobe is second all time in missed field goals

@nikeprince3730

6 жыл бұрын

5 rings though

Crazy how a lot of people nowadays thought the 90s Bulls offense were mostly clear 1 side out for Jordan and let him iso for 48 minutes thanks to some youtuber 💀

Case in point most analysts have remarked on how Jordan was also the most fundamentally sound player which people tend to overlook...

Kobe's teammates